My size is EUR 41. I picked 100 because I wanted to try something longer than the 4x90 I've had before, and I'm very happy about it. The difference in length is barely noticeable, while the ride is quite faster and smoother on 100mm wheels.
Hi, I also have the same configurations, or almost: UFS + K2 R100 (rocker = 0 + 1 + 2 + 0) and 165 mount + Endless 4x100 (3x110). You have said almost everything. Two big differences for me: 1- UFS = much more stability but requires more flexibility at the ankles, especially during rear maneuvers. 2 - 165 = better thrust due to the inclination of the frame but we are higher. K2 R100 = rocker is customizable but restrictive when changing the position of the wheels. Finally, I decided to order the NR100 from Leon Basin. I fell in love with the UFS system. FYI, on UFS, I really struggled with the flexibility of the ankles, but I persisted and worked my stretches ^^. Thank you for the review on this new frames.
@@NazarOnWheels Yes, I do. Thank you for reminding me of this detail. I forgot how hard it was to find the right sole at first. I have tried many. I finally removed the sole and put a shock absorb ^^: euréka, disappearance of pain in the feet! I do not know the "CJ". I wear SX v2. I emptied them manually. 1/2 hour per boot. Then I put "MyFit" liners, thermomolded in the oven. The result impressed me. I'm not even considering buying "Intuition" liners anymore. It's perfect like that ^^.
Hey, nice to see you here! It was a pleasure to skate with you guys! It's been more than a year already... And about the frame, I'm preparing a review of even more interesting one so stay tuned 😉
Thanks for the cool review. I also love these frames, specially for skating backwards they are so stable and fast. When I change to other rocker setups it takes some time to adapt indeed, but it's still fun to compare the different sensations :) For longer rides and hill bombing this is probably the best rocker setup although I haven't tried the sumos...
I'm sure Sumos would be much more exhausting for long-distance skating and uphill because of their weight, but must feel amazing for downhill. @ThirtyandRollin made a nice review of it here: ruclips.net/video/xtxnPvWpVNg/видео.html
Nice review, Dude. I've never rolled a frame as long as this, my 3x100mm frames on my Kronos are only 215mm! But I must say, these do look very interesting.
Very good review, Nazar! Was thinking of getting the Ronin to make some clips with. However, not yet convinced on the way the 4th wheel acts when hill bombing. I'm sure the setup gives you great agility though. Peace 🤜🤛
Serial Wheeler Thanks! Check my last video, there are moments of small hill bombing. After wheels break down I find them perfectly stable for hills. Not crazy fast downhill of course, but for reasonable city hills they feel great.
@@NazarOnWheels Thanks for this info. It looks to me as the V rocker is more stable for hill bombing than the V.m rocker because the V rocker has more wheels in contact with the ground and it's the front ones in particular.
@@Fero1122 Yes, I agree. I didn’t have the opportunity to try the V.m version of Ronin (I only have the Dragon), but the logics here is fairly straightforward. If you want more Wizard feel, probably V.m is better, while for a more freeskate feel V is better
As interesting as it gets... As far as I can remember, Endless Frame wasn't sent to anyone who could perform Wizard Style on them. Or they actually didn't. NN Skate frames use wizard style tricks and style to advertize the frames (Which is great, because many people are looking for frame to do Wizard style smoothly on 165). And now Endless post interesting passively-agressive post on their website and spread it on Reddit about rocker (with not that subtle meaning, that NN frames and their rocker are bad). Interesting. I'm getting myself 90 Endless and will start there. But I am keeping in mind getting me 4x100 frame some day. To ride 4x100 I have to get bit more experience. Btw... I did some experiment and did put V-Rocker on my 255mm flat frame using wheels with different diameter. I used 73-74-75-74mm wheels and found out this rocker pretty interesting :) With some BUT... Leaning on the hell you get only 2 wheels touching the ground which reffers me to that banana rocker. You feel pretty unstable rolling on 2 wheels only. On other hand, if you lean a bit forward = you get 3 front wheels to contact the ground, which results in quite stable and also agile stance. So I mean, guys, wanna test some rocker? Get different worn up wheels and set the desired rocker yourselves )
Golem1988 I had the same feeling about instability on the 2 rear wheels when I tried these frames for the first time. It felt a bit too unstable, which was perfectly fine for Wizard, but a bit too much for streets at high speed. But already at the second session I was feeling totally in control. I think it’s a combined effect of me adapting my stance and the wheels being worn out a bit, which after the first session became more natural for the way I skate. I do keep my weight more forward now even when doing tight turns, so I think I’m never really on just two rear wheels, nevertheless it feels very agile and controllable.
@@NazarOnWheels yupp. Anyway, 255mm Frame is a bit too short for my 46EU size feet... I would like to hear the comparison of Endless and NN frame. Is it somehow doable? One more I found out there: With this setup you sometimes are able to stay only on that 3rd whell what the Wizard Frame is all about. Also, that wheel is positioned exactly there, where your centre (axle) of mass and rotation is. So if you try to spin on one leg, that spin centre will appear to be the 3rd wheel. Where I think is all the magic. If you catch these 3rd wheels on speed, that can be very unstable tho, butthat's what I found on my self-made rocker. At the moment I will definetely stick to my already ordered Endless 90 as my main setup for all around activity, since it seems to be also okay to do Wizard stuff. But, seriously, when I will feel myself ready, I guess I will concider getting 4x100 frame. It may be, that 4x90 setup will be everything I need. One more thing I spotted all over youtube: 4x100 setup looks cooler while performing Wizard style (more spectacular as 4x90)... and there's one quite simple explanation. Frame is big, wheels are big. Frame is better to see and the movements it does are better catched with eye. Also, 4x100 frames with all their massiveness do a psychological trick: How such a big thing can be so agile. There is definetely some magic in it, or wizardry at very least :)
@@Golem1988, very relevant remark. The rockered by Leon Basin aimed precisely to reproduce natural wear on the wheels. It is therefore a good starting point to learn this type of setup. Thanks to the K2 R100, I was able to test lots of different rockered setups (6 possible positions per wheel). I spent some time trying everything ^^. Conclusion: with a rockered less than 1 mn per wheel, the feeling of imbalance, due to tilting between the wheels, disappears completely. I'm currently going downhill with my set up, just for fun. The only thing that still requires training from me is whelling. It's hard to go from a 243 frame to a 311 frame. You need solid calves. ; b
@@Golem1988 My impression is that the 4x100 is like the longboard in surfing. we are in slowmotion. The observer understands the movements better. Technically nothing impressive but a natural grace emerges. It's more fluid.
@@Golem1988 But to be honest, I think 4x90 is not going to be enough for you. I have size 41 and 4x100 seems just perfect. So you should rather aim at 4x110, I believe. And the visual beauty of bigger frame comes not only from the size. The longer base means that you need more space to do the turns, which forces you to do all those moves with bigger amplitude making it look more spectacular. On a short frame it's much easier to turn so the moves come out shorter and less fluid unless you really put an effort to keep that large amplitude. So think bigger. Go for 4x110 ;)
Nice review Nazar! They look good to me, I'm kinda temped by the 5x80 frame, not sure yet.. I'm stil skating the endless 4x90, that's a fun frame also. Looking forward to seeing you try a Wizard frame on ufs for comparison, would it be the 4x100?
People are very curious about how they compare to Endless frames, so I immediately though about you as the first one to actually do such a comparison :) And about Wizard frames, I don't know yet. I guess 4x100 is more likely, but I'll see when that happens.
To my knowledge, NN is very similar to Wizard, both reproducing the natural rocker, while Endless is a banana rocker. So banana is more pronounced and symmetric, while natural rocker is very subtle and asymmetric, making it a bit more stable at higher speeds. I will go deeper into this in me next #BladeTechTalk video, but to say it shortly, if you're not after some specialised style of skating and you just need a manoeuvrable long big-wheel frame, they are pretty much equivalent in the long term, because these differences in the shape of the rocker only matter with the brand new wheels (or if you're going to rotate them very often to keep the same wheel diameters). Otherwise your own natural rocker will develop with time, reflecting your personal style of skating, which will look the same on every frame.
@@NazarOnWheels yeah i ended up getting the endless. I like being able to do 3x110 for long distance and 4x100 for flatground freestyle. thanks for the info. May get some NN frames in a month or so to do a comparison
@@NazarOnWheels I have Twisters, yup. I'm practicing things and skills now to actually do videos. Also I'm planning to do some vids not sooner as I will get my Endless 90. Now I'm hardly practicing the Wizard moves. In may I started inline skating after iceskating, now I can roughly, but still perform like almost every Wizard trick (no style involved yet) (also in switch). So... have to work a bit more on style and technique itself. As soon as I will be kinda self-confident I surely will upload some videos. I will also have the opportunity to compare Endless 90 and NN 100... if 90 can be compared with 100. Not sure how quick the frame will make it to Germany and how long will be the customs thing. Endless will be shipped next friday. Not sure about NN. Hope they will use DHL or fedex/ups... otherwise it may take ages to actually arrive to me.
@@UlfWolf_Skater how long did you iceskate? I mean transition to inline skates was harder than I imagined it would be. But as soon as I got used to it it bacame natural. Yeah... and that's where youtube happened with Wizard Style :) I hope to get the basic move pack learned till the end of summer... Gonna upload some vids also and would also like to see some of yours. Cheers.
Golem1988 Thanks for your feedback! Well, I got back to ice skating last year in Octobre after 30 years neglecting this sport. In my youth I did a lot of skating and roller skating as well. Therefore I was flashed how the sport has developed and I was really challenged after all the youngsters jumped around me😳. „No pain, no gain!“ was the credo from there on and I never had so much smile in my face (...but pain as well..🤬) . I documented my development a bit, unfortunately in German because it was never meant to be published to the universe. Anyway, you will get the idea. Right now the single footed moves and jumps are on my list! And of course the wizard moves... ruclips.net/p/PLQyYH7aBg6hBliT0YcHtx-2zgQpb3u_q2 Enjoy it!
Ciao Nazar , bel video davvero molto ben fatto sopratutto la spiegazione del rocker, sono interessato a questi frames che mi sembrano la "versione economica dei Wizard" che costano davvero uno sproposito, devo decidere se prenderli 4x90 o 4x100.....sei anche un ottimo pattinatore, ma sei italiano...??? Ciao e complimenti, mi sono iscritto.
Grazie. No, sono ucraino, ma abito a Torino da alcuni anni. E quanto riguarda 4x90 vs 4x100, direi che se hai misura del piede da 41 o più, 4x100 è una scelta ottima. Io non ho sentito tanta differenza da punto di vista di lunghezza, ma 4x100 è più veloce e stabile, inoltre in città si sente molto più liscio.
@@NazarOnWheels infatti lo stile dei tuoi video non mi sembrava italiano, ma pattinando a Torino immaginavo che comunque fossi Italiano di adozione, io porto il 44 (Rollerblade RB però 43) quindi vado con i 4x100 come pensavo anche io....stò guardando tutti i tuoi video perchè ti conosco da poche ore, non so perchè prima YT non mi aveva mai proposto i tuoi video anche se guardo tutti i giorni video di pattinaggio inline, sei molto bravo, si vede che ti ispiri a Leon...grazie mille della risposta.
So this "V-rocker", either wheels 1, 2 and 3 are toughing the ground or wheels 3 and 4 do? So only the 4th wheel is rockered up? That sounds like it could be better
Freestyle Skater Yes, it’s either 1-3 or 3-4, so wheel 3 is the pivot. The straight 1-3 section might feel a little too stable with fresh wheels, but already during the first skating session it starts feeling well balanced, when the wheels wear down a tiny bit.
@@NazarOnWheels well... with some logic I started to wonder... why should be there a rocker for first 3 wheels if they are kinda on same hight when pressed down? I mean just lifting the 4th wheel would give same result for 165mm mount. Where for Wizards they do so because of UFS and also do that lean forward in the shape of their frame... I guess that's why Endless did post their post about rocker theory, cause what makes sense for UFS is kinda pointless for 165mm and raised heel. But then again, first wheel will still wear down and it will become same as Endless with their Balanced rocker. Sooo... interesting.
@@Golem1988 Actually the forward lean on the Wizard frames is mainly because the top edge of the frame is not parallel to its bottom edge. It's not because of the shape of the rocker. Besides, the Wizards seem to have a banana rocker if you trust their own diagram: assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/240990491/Wizard_NR_PR_Diagram.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&h=1000&w=1000
Hi wich mounting holes did you use its so fast in the video and I cannot see it. I have also the Fr1 and NN Frame I cant deside wich hole of the boot and the Frame.
I aligned the three holes in the frame under the heel with the 3 holes on the boot. So the frame is mounted as forward as possible, with only one hole at the front side of the frame available. Some people mount it shifted backwards by one hole, but I personally prefer it with a more forward mounting.
@@NazarOnWheels Thx for answer, I guess I prefer this too for more mobility on the heel. Does your frame lay totaly flat on your boot? I have a little space the frame can pop up and down a little bit...?🧐🤔
@@Katerman007 No, I have no gaps. FR1 has metal plates and the frame lies perfectly flat on those plates. You can write me on Instagram if you want and show. But nothing is moving in my case after I tighten the screws.
In this video it's Seba FR1 EU41. With a size 45 I would certainly go for 110mm actually. The 4x90mm frame should have more-or-less exactly the length of your foot, so if you want to have the feeling of the added stability provided by a long frame you should go longer for sure. That's the whole point of the rocker to have a long base for stability while keeping it manoeuvrable.
@@Deathdefiant09 It might seem intimidating having a frame that long, but the body adapts very easily. It's definitely a different feel, but that's what long frames are for. Changing from 80 to 90 is not that significant when your foot size is 45. So yeah, think big ;)
@@NazarOnWheels i ride 3x125 and 3x 110 mostly and its around 260mm. that's why. hmmmm 110mm sounds insane but sometimes i do wish i had an extra wheel. hmmmm gonna decide tonight between 100mm and 110mm. i'm just gonna go for it YOLO!
Purely technically - yes, using a 165mm-UFS adapter under the heel. But even of you do that, it’s not going to work the way it should, because M12 is a soft low-cuff boot, which doesn’t provide enough support for such a long big-wheel frame. This frame was designed for freeskate boots, which have harder plastic and higher cuffs for good support on big wheels.
Ok, your review makes me really curious🧐: how do you compare them to the endless? Is the different rocker setup noticeable? Does the NN come closer to the Wizards (which I unfortunately could not yet test)? By looking at their options: 5x 80 sounds also interesting! Apart from that: nice video, nice edit! Thanks for sharing your experience!
Ulf Wolf Well, I wish I could tell, but I never tried either Endless or Wizard, so can’t compare the rockers. The Wizards I might try rather soon, so as soon as I’ll have an idea, I’ll let you know.
Hello Ulf. The rocker should be about the same. It is ultimately a copy of Leon Basin's setup. That is to say a "light rockered", less than 1minimeter per wheel. What really changes is the length and height of the frame: the higher and shorter the frame, the more it is manageable, the lower and longer it is, the more stable it is. I do not know the heights of the frames. For lengths, in 4x100, from memory: NN and Endless = 303mn, NR100 = 306mn, K2R100 = 311mn. NN et Endless are 165, higher. The NR100 and K2100 are UFS, lower. Conclusion, the NN and Endless seem identical ... except that the NN are more beautiful in my opinion ;b.
@nazar: Sorry, I thought I saw a video from you about the Endless frame. @fernando: thanks for input! That is what I wanted to know!🙏 I’m just about to play with a wheel setup of worn 90 wheels, that comes close to the v-rocker. At least I’ m able to pivot on the third wheel. On the long run I tempted to order the 4x100 NNs.😉
Thanks for the review i bought a pair of 4x100 from NN yesterday :)
what size shoe you wear. what madeyou pick 100?
My size is EUR 41. I picked 100 because I wanted to try something longer than the 4x90 I've had before, and I'm very happy about it. The difference in length is barely noticeable, while the ride is quite faster and smoother on 100mm wheels.
Hi, I also have the same configurations, or almost: UFS + K2 R100 (rocker = 0 + 1 + 2 + 0) and 165 mount + Endless 4x100 (3x110). You have said almost everything.
Two big differences for me:
1- UFS = much more stability but requires more flexibility at the ankles, especially during rear maneuvers.
2 - 165 = better thrust due to the inclination of the frame but we are higher.
K2 R100 = rocker is customizable but restrictive when changing the position of the wheels.
Finally, I decided to order the NR100 from Leon Basin. I fell in love with the UFS system.
FYI, on UFS, I really struggled with the flexibility of the ankles, but I persisted and worked my stretches ^^.
Thank you for the review on this new frames.
fernando santos Thank you for your opinion. Do you keep a shock absorber in your UFS boot?
@@NazarOnWheels Yes, I do.
Thank you for reminding me of this detail. I forgot how hard it was to find the right sole at first. I have tried many. I finally removed the sole and put a shock absorb ^^: euréka, disappearance of pain in the feet!
I do not know the "CJ". I wear SX v2. I emptied them manually. 1/2 hour per boot. Then I put "MyFit" liners, thermomolded in the oven. The result impressed me. I'm not even considering buying "Intuition" liners anymore. It's perfect like that ^^.
fernando santos what type of myfit liner you use for your seba sx2?
@@ADITYAHAMDANI The liner of this boot: www.skatepro.fr/121-32940.htm
It is similar to this one: bladeville.com/powerslide-myfit-skinny-dual-fit.html
@@ADITYAHAMDANI I just ordered this for my 3rd pair:
bladeville.com/foryos-cj-liner-black.html
They almost sound like "Intuition".
Interesting frame. Greetings from Toronto and thank you for having skated with us last year.
Hey, nice to see you here! It was a pleasure to skate with you guys! It's been more than a year already...
And about the frame, I'm preparing a review of even more interesting one so stay tuned 😉
I use the endless 100s, the nn 5x80's look interesting.
Thanks for the cool review. I also love these frames, specially for skating backwards they are so stable and fast. When I change to other rocker setups it takes some time to adapt indeed, but it's still fun to compare the different sensations :) For longer rides and hill bombing this is probably the best rocker setup although I haven't tried the sumos...
I'm sure Sumos would be much more exhausting for long-distance skating and uphill because of their weight, but must feel amazing for downhill. @ThirtyandRollin made a nice review of it here: ruclips.net/video/xtxnPvWpVNg/видео.html
These look sick! I may have to grab a pair! Been looking for a 4x100 frame.
Thirty and Rollin I think that’s as solid as a 165mm mount 4x100 frame can get. You have a Twister Edge boot, right? It should fit perfectly.
Check this photo. Those look really sexy under the Twister Edge 🙂
nnskates.com/frames/NN100_TwisterEdge.png
@@NazarOnWheels is this real one or photoshop? :D
@@Golem1988 XD
@@Golem1988 Real of course. Does it look like photoshop?
Nice vid!!! And really nice set up!!! ✊✊✊
Thanks!
just ordered the SUMO based on your advice.
FlowNYC Cool! Curious to know your opinion once you get them!
Nice review, Dude. I've never rolled a frame as long as this, my 3x100mm frames on my Kronos are only 215mm! But I must say, these do look very interesting.
Rich Hayter Skater Thanks. You should certainly try. It feels a bit strange at first but as soon as you get used to the length it’s very much fun
I can see myself getting there, perhaps with a 4x90 setup first.
Very good review, Nazar! Was thinking of getting the Ronin to make some clips with. However, not yet convinced on the way the 4th wheel acts when hill bombing. I'm sure the setup gives you great agility though. Peace 🤜🤛
Serial Wheeler Thanks! Check my last video, there are moments of small hill bombing. After wheels break down I find them perfectly stable for hills. Not crazy fast downhill of course, but for reasonable city hills they feel great.
@@NazarOnWheels Thanks for this info. It looks to me as the V rocker is more stable for hill bombing than the V.m rocker because the V rocker has more wheels in contact with the ground and it's the front ones in particular.
@@Fero1122 Yes, I agree. I didn’t have the opportunity to try the V.m version of Ronin (I only have the Dragon), but the logics here is fairly straightforward. If you want more Wizard feel, probably V.m is better, while for a more freeskate feel V is better
As interesting as it gets... As far as I can remember, Endless Frame wasn't sent to anyone who could perform Wizard Style on them. Or they actually didn't. NN Skate frames use wizard style tricks and style to advertize the frames (Which is great, because many people are looking for frame to do Wizard style smoothly on 165). And now Endless post interesting passively-agressive post on their website and spread it on Reddit about rocker (with not that subtle meaning, that NN frames and their rocker are bad). Interesting. I'm getting myself 90 Endless and will start there. But I am keeping in mind getting me 4x100 frame some day. To ride 4x100 I have to get bit more experience. Btw... I did some experiment and did put V-Rocker on my 255mm flat frame using wheels with different diameter. I used 73-74-75-74mm wheels and found out this rocker pretty interesting :) With some BUT... Leaning on the hell you get only 2 wheels touching the ground which reffers me to that banana rocker. You feel pretty unstable rolling on 2 wheels only. On other hand, if you lean a bit forward = you get 3 front wheels to contact the ground, which results in quite stable and also agile stance. So I mean, guys, wanna test some rocker? Get different worn up wheels and set the desired rocker yourselves )
Golem1988 I had the same feeling about instability on the 2 rear wheels when I tried these frames for the first time. It felt a bit too unstable, which was perfectly fine for Wizard, but a bit too much for streets at high speed. But already at the second session I was feeling totally in control. I think it’s a combined effect of me adapting my stance and the wheels being worn out a bit, which after the first session became more natural for the way I skate. I do keep my weight more forward now even when doing tight turns, so I think I’m never really on just two rear wheels, nevertheless it feels very agile and controllable.
@@NazarOnWheels yupp. Anyway, 255mm Frame is a bit too short for my 46EU size feet... I would like to hear the comparison of Endless and NN frame. Is it somehow doable? One more I found out there: With this setup you sometimes are able to stay only on that 3rd whell what the Wizard Frame is all about. Also, that wheel is positioned exactly there, where your centre (axle) of mass and rotation is. So if you try to spin on one leg, that spin centre will appear to be the 3rd wheel. Where I think is all the magic. If you catch these 3rd wheels on speed, that can be very unstable tho, butthat's what I found on my self-made rocker.
At the moment I will definetely stick to my already ordered Endless 90 as my main setup for all around activity, since it seems to be also okay to do Wizard stuff. But, seriously, when I will feel myself ready, I guess I will concider getting 4x100 frame. It may be, that 4x90 setup will be everything I need.
One more thing I spotted all over youtube: 4x100 setup looks cooler while performing Wizard style (more spectacular as 4x90)... and there's one quite simple explanation. Frame is big, wheels are big. Frame is better to see and the movements it does are better catched with eye. Also, 4x100 frames with all their massiveness do a psychological trick: How such a big thing can be so agile. There is definetely some magic in it, or wizardry at very least :)
@@Golem1988, very relevant remark.
The rockered by Leon Basin aimed precisely to reproduce natural wear on the wheels.
It is therefore a good starting point to learn this type of setup.
Thanks to the K2 R100, I was able to test lots of different rockered setups (6 possible positions per wheel). I spent some time trying everything ^^.
Conclusion: with a rockered less than 1 mn per wheel, the feeling of imbalance, due to tilting between the wheels, disappears completely.
I'm currently going downhill with my set up, just for fun.
The only thing that still requires training from me is whelling. It's hard to go from a 243 frame to a 311 frame. You need solid calves. ; b
@@Golem1988 My impression is that the 4x100 is like the longboard in surfing. we are in slowmotion. The observer understands the movements better. Technically nothing impressive but a natural grace emerges. It's more fluid.
@@Golem1988 But to be honest, I think 4x90 is not going to be enough for you. I have size 41 and 4x100 seems just perfect. So you should rather aim at 4x110, I believe. And the visual beauty of bigger frame comes not only from the size. The longer base means that you need more space to do the turns, which forces you to do all those moves with bigger amplitude making it look more spectacular. On a short frame it's much easier to turn so the moves come out shorter and less fluid unless you really put an effort to keep that large amplitude. So think bigger. Go for 4x110 ;)
Great Review! Hope they’re better than the wizards!
Point Blank Blading Well, that would be a bold statement. You don’t like the Wizards?
Nazar On Wheels Let me rephrase that, I hope they’re as good as the Wizard frames. Never tried them but the NN frames have an attractive price tag. 👍🏼
Nice review Nazar! They look good to me, I'm kinda temped by the 5x80 frame, not sure yet.. I'm stil skating the endless 4x90, that's a fun frame also. Looking forward to seeing you try a Wizard frame on ufs for comparison, would it be the 4x100?
People are very curious about how they compare to Endless frames, so I immediately though about you as the first one to actually do such a comparison :)
And about Wizard frames, I don't know yet. I guess 4x100 is more likely, but I'll see when that happens.
What is the rocker comparison between like NN, Endless and Wizard? I'm looking to get into a pair and don't know anyting about any of this.
To my knowledge, NN is very similar to Wizard, both reproducing the natural rocker, while Endless is a banana rocker. So banana is more pronounced and symmetric, while natural rocker is very subtle and asymmetric, making it a bit more stable at higher speeds. I will go deeper into this in me next #BladeTechTalk video, but to say it shortly, if you're not after some specialised style of skating and you just need a manoeuvrable long big-wheel frame, they are pretty much equivalent in the long term, because these differences in the shape of the rocker only matter with the brand new wheels (or if you're going to rotate them very often to keep the same wheel diameters). Otherwise your own natural rocker will develop with time, reflecting your personal style of skating, which will look the same on every frame.
@@NazarOnWheels yeah i ended up getting the endless. I like being able to do 3x110 for long distance and 4x100 for flatground freestyle. thanks for the info. May get some NN frames in a month or so to do a comparison
Great review, but I think i woke up my neighbour with song that came at the end ...
maybe you could try to keep the sound leveld :)
lukas f Ok, thanks. Will pay more attention next time...
Well... it's happening. I did order 4x100 :D
Golem1988 Good choice. Curious about your opinion once you get it. Yiu have the Twisters, right? Do you make any skating videos?
@@NazarOnWheels I have Twisters, yup. I'm practicing things and skills now to actually do videos. Also I'm planning to do some vids not sooner as I will get my Endless 90. Now I'm hardly practicing the Wizard moves. In may I started inline skating after iceskating, now I can roughly, but still perform like almost every Wizard trick (no style involved yet) (also in switch). So... have to work a bit more on style and technique itself. As soon as I will be kinda self-confident I surely will upload some videos. I will also have the opportunity to compare Endless 90 and NN 100... if 90 can be compared with 100. Not sure how quick the frame will make it to Germany and how long will be the customs thing. Endless will be shipped next friday. Not sure about NN. Hope they will use DHL or fedex/ups... otherwise it may take ages to actually arrive to me.
Golem1988 your story sounds familiar to me. I also started in spring after the ice rinks were closed. Yes, and the Wizard style is my favorite!😉
@@UlfWolf_Skater how long did you iceskate? I mean transition to inline skates was harder than I imagined it would be. But as soon as I got used to it it bacame natural. Yeah... and that's where youtube happened with Wizard Style :) I hope to get the basic move pack learned till the end of summer... Gonna upload some vids also and would also like to see some of yours. Cheers.
Golem1988 Thanks for your feedback! Well, I got back to ice skating last year in Octobre after 30 years neglecting this sport. In my youth I did a lot of skating and roller skating as well. Therefore I was flashed how the sport has developed and I was really challenged after all the youngsters jumped around me😳. „No pain, no gain!“ was the credo from there on and I never had so much smile in my face (...but pain as well..🤬) . I documented my development a bit, unfortunately in German because it was never meant to be published to the universe. Anyway, you will get the idea. Right now the single footed moves and jumps are on my list! And of course the wizard moves...
ruclips.net/p/PLQyYH7aBg6hBliT0YcHtx-2zgQpb3u_q2
Enjoy it!
Ciao Nazar , bel video davvero molto ben fatto sopratutto la spiegazione del rocker, sono interessato a questi frames che mi sembrano la "versione economica dei Wizard" che costano davvero uno sproposito, devo decidere se prenderli 4x90 o 4x100.....sei anche un ottimo pattinatore, ma sei italiano...??? Ciao e complimenti, mi sono iscritto.
Grazie. No, sono ucraino, ma abito a Torino da alcuni anni. E quanto riguarda 4x90 vs 4x100, direi che se hai misura del piede da 41 o più, 4x100 è una scelta ottima. Io non ho sentito tanta differenza da punto di vista di lunghezza, ma 4x100 è più veloce e stabile, inoltre in città si sente molto più liscio.
@@NazarOnWheels infatti lo stile dei tuoi video non mi sembrava italiano, ma pattinando a Torino immaginavo che comunque fossi Italiano di adozione, io porto il 44 (Rollerblade RB però 43) quindi vado con i 4x100 come pensavo anche io....stò guardando tutti i tuoi video perchè ti conosco da poche ore, non so perchè prima YT non mi aveva mai proposto i tuoi video anche se guardo tutti i giorni video di pattinaggio inline, sei molto bravo, si vede che ti ispiri a Leon...grazie mille della risposta.
Skatafossy Grazie ancora 🙂 Mi fa piacere. Puoi trovarmi anche su Instagram. Se mai verrai a Torino, fammi sapere 😉
So this "V-rocker", either wheels 1, 2 and 3 are toughing the ground or wheels 3 and 4 do? So only the 4th wheel is rockered up? That sounds like it could be better
Freestyle Skater Yes, it’s either 1-3 or 3-4, so wheel 3 is the pivot. The straight 1-3 section might feel a little too stable with fresh wheels, but already during the first skating session it starts feeling well balanced, when the wheels wear down a tiny bit.
@@NazarOnWheels well... with some logic I started to wonder... why should be there a rocker for first 3 wheels if they are kinda on same hight when pressed down? I mean just lifting the 4th wheel would give same result for 165mm mount. Where for Wizards they do so because of UFS and also do that lean forward in the shape of their frame... I guess that's why Endless did post their post about rocker theory, cause what makes sense for UFS is kinda pointless for 165mm and raised heel. But then again, first wheel will still wear down and it will become same as Endless with their Balanced rocker. Sooo... interesting.
@@Golem1988 Actually the forward lean on the Wizard frames is mainly because the top edge of the frame is not parallel to its bottom edge. It's not because of the shape of the rocker. Besides, the Wizards seem to have a banana rocker if you trust their own diagram: assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/240990491/Wizard_NR_PR_Diagram.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&h=1000&w=1000
Hi wich mounting holes did you use its so fast in the video and I cannot see it. I have also the Fr1 and NN Frame I cant deside wich hole of the boot and the Frame.
I aligned the three holes in the frame under the heel with the 3 holes on the boot. So the frame is mounted as forward as possible, with only one hole at the front side of the frame available. Some people mount it shifted backwards by one hole, but I personally prefer it with a more forward mounting.
@@NazarOnWheels Thx for answer, I guess I prefer this too for more mobility on the heel. Does your frame lay totaly flat on your boot? I have a little space the frame can pop up and down a little bit...?🧐🤔
@@Katerman007 No, I have no gaps. FR1 has metal plates and the frame lies perfectly flat on those plates. You can write me on Instagram if you want and show. But nothing is moving in my case after I tighten the screws.
what size boot do you wear? debating ordering a pair since my endless 90s haven't arrived. curious abou the 100mm or the 90mm. i wear size 45
In this video it's Seba FR1 EU41. With a size 45 I would certainly go for 110mm actually. The 4x90mm frame should have more-or-less exactly the length of your foot, so if you want to have the feeling of the added stability provided by a long frame you should go longer for sure. That's the whole point of the rocker to have a long base for stability while keeping it manoeuvrable.
@@NazarOnWheels hmmmmmmm interestin. I've never had a long frame so IDK what i'm getting into xD
@@Deathdefiant09 It might seem intimidating having a frame that long, but the body adapts very easily. It's definitely a different feel, but that's what long frames are for. Changing from 80 to 90 is not that significant when your foot size is 45. So yeah, think big ;)
@@NazarOnWheels i ride 3x125 and 3x 110 mostly and its around 260mm. that's why. hmmmm 110mm sounds insane but sometimes i do wish i had an extra wheel. hmmmm gonna decide tonight between 100mm and 110mm. i'm just gonna go for it YOLO!
@@Deathdefiant09 Curious to see what comes out of that 🙂
Can you put these on roces m12 lo they are ufs boots
Purely technically - yes, using a 165mm-UFS adapter under the heel. But even of you do that, it’s not going to work the way it should, because M12 is a soft low-cuff boot, which doesn’t provide enough support for such a long big-wheel frame. This frame was designed for freeskate boots, which have harder plastic and higher cuffs for good support on big wheels.
Ciao, sai dirmi quanto pesa questo telaio?
Non posso dire precisamente. Comunque rispetto al boot e le ruote il peso di telaio non conta tantissimo.
Ok, your review makes me really curious🧐: how do you compare them to the endless? Is the different rocker setup noticeable? Does the NN come closer to the Wizards (which I unfortunately could not yet test)?
By looking at their options: 5x 80 sounds also interesting!
Apart from that: nice video, nice edit! Thanks for sharing your experience!
Ulf Wolf Well, I wish I could tell, but I never tried either Endless or Wizard, so can’t compare the rockers. The Wizards I might try rather soon, so as soon as I’ll have an idea, I’ll let you know.
Hello Ulf.
The rocker should be about the same. It is ultimately a copy of Leon Basin's setup. That is to say a "light rockered", less than 1minimeter per wheel.
What really changes is the length and height of the frame: the higher and shorter the frame, the more it is manageable, the lower and longer it is, the more stable it is.
I do not know the heights of the frames. For lengths, in 4x100, from memory: NN and Endless = 303mn, NR100 = 306mn, K2R100 = 311mn.
NN et Endless are 165, higher. The NR100 and K2100 are UFS, lower.
Conclusion, the NN and Endless seem identical ... except that the NN are more beautiful in my opinion ;b.
@nazar: Sorry, I thought I saw a video from you about the Endless frame.
@fernando: thanks for input! That is what I wanted to know!🙏 I’m just about to play with a wheel setup of worn 90 wheels, that comes close to the v-rocker. At least I’ m able to pivot on the third wheel. On the long run I tempted to order the 4x100 NNs.😉
What size boot are these?
The boot I've used here is EU41, but my foot is actually EU39-40.