BladeTechTalk.1A - Frame length | Afterthoughts

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  • Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024

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  • @ThirtyandRollin
    @ThirtyandRollin 3 года назад +8

    I couldn't agree more! I wish every boot was available without frames/bearings/wheels. But the logistics of making that happen with so many SKUs and logistics is prolly a headache. I hope this becomes the norm as skating gets more popular and give the companies a chance to have a wider offering of products. I mean look at skiing, you can get the boots, bindings and skis all separate so you can create the setup that works best for you. I want that for skating so bad.

    • @NazarOnWheels
      @NazarOnWheels  3 года назад +2

      Yes, I totally agree. I think it’s indeed a matter of time that skate manufacturers realize that there are plenty of brands producing exclusively high-end frames making it more attractive for skaters to buy boots alone.

    • @Skatafossy
      @Skatafossy 3 года назад +2

      In Italy skating is rarely practiced, I never meet anyone except sprinters. You can't even find standard Rollerblades apart from a few shops in the area.

    • @NazarOnWheels
      @NazarOnWheels  3 года назад

      @@Skatafossy Yes, that’s true. Finding a retail shop to properly try a fit of a skate you want is not really an option outside of a few big cities.

    • @simstar6557
      @simstar6557 3 года назад +2

      I hope manufacturers understand. Because it was so hard to pick the gear without trying, I basically gave up buying new stuff and stick to used gear. I finally mostly know what the ideal setup for me is, but that took 4 pairs. Frustrating.

  • @nmushkov
    @nmushkov 3 года назад +9

    Keep it up, man! I like very much your deductive manner of presenting things. Happy new year!

    • @NazarOnWheels
      @NazarOnWheels  3 года назад +1

      Thanks! Happy New Year to you too! 🙂🎉

    • @NazarOnWheels
      @NazarOnWheels  3 года назад +2

      We’re like a bunch of geeks talking about skates a few hours before New Year 😅

    • @nmushkov
      @nmushkov 3 года назад +2

      @@NazarOnWheels what is a new year's eve if you don't watch at least 5 skate videos 🙌

  • @princessnek8458
    @princessnek8458 3 года назад +4

    Idk where the negative comments are, but i love this series. I really love it and keep it up!!

    • @NazarOnWheels
      @NazarOnWheels  3 года назад +1

      Thank you for the good words! I will!

  • @ericbernardi8116
    @ericbernardi8116 3 года назад +3

    Yep, I think frame lenght is one of the most underrated parts of inline skates... Leon, Lino and you are really the ones I hear talking about... I liked 243mm a lot as 4x80 and 3x110, because they are agile and the 110's fast... Until I got my Endless 90 with 275mm (just 1cm longer than my foot) and it makes skating just more natural with everything at the right place. The 4 90's also don't feel slower than the 3 110's but the rocker is the real fun-maker XD We need more people in the industry thinking about what makes skating a better experience but first let's hope it keeps getting more popular even after we get past corona times...

  • @1199joseph1
    @1199joseph1 Год назад

    Ciao Nazar il mio nome è Giuseppe e ho 56 anni e vivo vicino a Pescara, spero nn ti dispiaccia se ti scrivo in italiano. Ho trovato molto interessante il tuo approccio ai tuoi 2 episodi dedicati alla lunghezza dei telai (frames), molto razionale, scientifico e approfondito.
    Vengo al dunque, io ho sempre fatto dello sport e nell' ultimo decennio molta mtb, ho iniziato ad andare sui pattini in linea circa 20 anni fa, ma mai in modo assiduo, un 'anno fa ho avuto problemi di salute che hanno coinvolto la prostata, questo chiamiamolo incidente di percorso nella mia vita, mi ha portato a ripiegare un pò a malincuore, dalla mtb ai pattini in linea.
    La cosa mi ha procurato, a dirla tutta una grande gioia, ho infatti cominciato all'inizio a praticarlo soprattutto per riprendermi fisicamente dall' intervento che ho subito in Febbraio 22, ma poi è nato un vero è proprio amore, man mano che la mia confidenza nel pattinaggio aumentava.
    Adesso è nato però in me un certo dilemma, possiedo almeno 3 paia di pattini, diciamo di tipo commerciale, il mio primo paio erano Roces, credo di aveli comprati prima del 2000, poi comperai dei K2, forse 2006-2007 e quest'estate dovevo cambiare le ruote e ho comprato un paio di pattini della Fila. Io a casa ho 5 Biciclette, tra cui 2 mtb ad un certo livello (giant e Trek), capisco il discorso di avere un pattino che si adatti a me e non uno prodotto per la massa, insomma vorrei comperarmi il telaio e le scarpe ed assemblarmi il pattino da me.
    Come pattinatore nn mi definirei un principiante, ma non sono probabilmente nemmeno uno intermedio? Mi spiego meglio, vivo ad Ortona che sta direttamente sul mare e l'unico posto decente dove poter pattinare è una pista ciclabile/pedonale di recente costruzione che segue la costa dei Trabocchi ( circa 40-50 Km), quindi a ridosso del mare. Pertanto ho imparato principalmente ad andare in avanti, i crossover, slalom andare su un pattino solo non sono il problema, ma non ho mai imparato ad andare all'indietro e girarmi al volo. I pattini che uso hanno entrambi ruote da 85, andare anche in un posto dove il fondo non è uniforme non mi trasmette sempre sicurezza. In media pattino dai 20 ai 30 Km, ogni volta che esco, ma sempre solo in avanti. ..
    Vorrei arrivare a fare dello wizard skating, andare all'indietro, cambiare direzione al volo ecc. Ho scoperto di preferire una scarpa che ha un assetto flat, tipo quelli che si usano sui pattini aggressive, perchè ad usare i miei pattini K2, mi trovo molto più a mio agio che usare i Fila, il primo è quasi flat , mentre l'altro ha un attacco tipo 165, riesco più facilmente a spostare il peso dal tacco alla punta. Pensavo di prendere delle scarpe Seba CJ2 prime, porto abitualmente 43 di scarpe, anche se il mio piede e di circa 26,5 cm, quindi 41, ma ho la pianta abbastanza larga, pensavo al 42 per il Seba. Il dilemma è che sono indeciso tra un telaio tipo NN Ronin 4x100, perchè mi permetterebbe di pattinare anche in posti che adesso evito, più stabile ecc.; il ninja 4x90, che mi darebbe più agilità invece per aiutarmi a imparare più facilmente ad pattinare all'indietro, ma soprattutto effettuare i cambi di direzione avanati indietro o addiritturra uno a 5 ruote, 5x 80, o addirittura misto tipo Dragon+, ma telaio forse troppo lungo....
    Credo che la scelta giusta per adesso potrebbe essere il Ninja di NN anche se mi preoccupa un pò il fatto di aver visto in un video un assemblaggio con un' altra scarpa flat, dove la ruota davanti va a toccare sotto alla punta della scarpa, avendo tolto la soleplate.
    Scusami se sono stato così prolisso.
    Ma alla mia età non è facile trovare qualcuno con più esperienza, con cui interfacciarsi.
    Saluti dal meraviglioso Abruzzo
    Giuseppe

  • @shoewreck
    @shoewreck 3 года назад +6

    Standing on tip of your toe isn't natural (and you're unlikely even able to if you're not a ballet dancer), more so standing on back of your heel. Thus, your foot "effective base" is much shorter than it's full lenght, more like distance between heel center and ball of foot (i.e. 175mm on my 275mm foot).
    Of course you have to add some lenght to compensate chassis height (about half a wheel diameter on each side) and then some more to improve stability. This way, 243mm and even 231mm frames make a perfect sense for an average male foot. It's fine to have a longer frame and I would recommend it to most beginners (stability matters), but foot lenght isn't magic and is only a rough estimate of your own preference.

    • @NazarOnWheels
      @NazarOnWheels  3 года назад

      Agree, it's not magic, just a reference.

    • @mastichka
      @mastichka 3 года назад

      My thoughts.

  • @fernandosantos566
    @fernandosantos566 3 года назад +5

    Hi,
    Your first video was perfect. I find it unfortunate that you have to justify yourself and make a corrective video. You're just telling the basics. To understand them all it takes is a little common sense and thought.
    Thank you for your work and your efforts ... because it takes work to synthesize all this informations.
    I look forward to your next video. Good luck.🙏

    • @NazarOnWheels
      @NazarOnWheels  3 года назад +3

      Thank you for that! I don't look at it as justifying or correcting myself. I just find it yet another useful thing to incorporate into this series that not many other content creators actually do - introducing a bit of "feedback loop" so to speak, making it more interactive. Because usually people make videos, ask viewers to comment, and then never actually get back to that, just leaving the commenters argue with each other. So they use comments just to drive more traffic to their channel, whereas I want it to serve a bit more constructive purpose. And I'm sure it's going to make the whole series better content-wise.

    • @fernandosantos566
      @fernandosantos566 3 года назад +1

      @@NazarOnWheels It's the case. Thank you.

  • @jozibrewer
    @jozibrewer 3 года назад +2

    I skate fr1s, and am thinking of trying the fr spin boot (2021). I wish I could get the boot by itself as easily as a complete setup. I reckon manufacturers like selling you the extra frame whether or not you need it.

  • @nightdipper5178
    @nightdipper5178 Год назад

    Great info. Thanks

  • @papamiro666
    @papamiro666 3 года назад +1

    Keep on like this! I liked the technical speech so much, as well as the editing!!

  • @duploh
    @duploh 2 года назад

    I'm a newbie and about to buy my skates next week. I skated as a teen, 20y ago that is. But don't know what skates I had. Now i want to use freerides, like FRx, to skate around town, not really urban doing stairs and such, but also no 'distance', just cruising and doing some casual tricks/jumping sidewalks /...
    Footsize 43 or 44. Should i go for the standard 4x80, cause this looks most comfy to me, very agile. Balance isn't gonna be a big issue i think. My main concern is state of the roads, bumps, and also pushing longer frames and 90mm wheels would be maybe less fatigue than 80's?

  • @maxwell_j_R
    @maxwell_j_R 3 года назад +2

    I appreciate you doing a follow-up.
    But ugh, at the end you criticize short frame triskates as bad for beginners, but toward the beginning you mentioned these videos are for more advanced skaters?
    I recently got a 3x100mm, 231mm, rockered frame (size 44 EU boot, btw). The total wheel tip to tip length of 331mm is slightly longer than 4x80's 323mm, and the "effective wheelbase" is 115.5mm vs 81mm - so overall less agile. However, that agility is still plenty (unless focusing on slalom), and the longer "effective wheelbase" makes speed wobbles less likely (maybe, not sure how much difference in hight affects this). Idk which is less weight, but the 100mm wheels roll so much better, surely they save you energy in the long run (and that "effective wheelbase" gives you better power transfer).
    So unless you need that longer frame length "forward/backward lean stability" for landing big jumps, which setup is better for an intermidiate/experienced skater? (And won't simply skating the shorter frame improve your balance and make you a better skater?)
    And please, you cannot simply ignore wheel size and such when talking frame length. No manufacturer makes something like 243mm, rockered, 3x90mm (90mm to keep the total length low for crossovers). So it isn't practical to discuss things like frame length from a standalone physics perspective.

    • @fochofidaho5149
      @fochofidaho5149 3 года назад +3

      You are just a ray of sunshine! Give the man some credit for having such a friendly attitude and sharing his knowledge on the internet. Also when he was "criticizing" short frame triskates he was talking about the Mushroom Blading Podcast where Leon Basin, the creator of the wizard frame, mentioned his opinion on short triskates since he had seen so many beginners get hurt on them. When this happens, the skates become scary to those people and that is typically enough for them to quit, which isn't good for the growth of the community. This is Leon's opinion, I love short frames too (I personally enjoy all skates actually), we all have different tastes though. I hope that clears up some of your confusion. If you don't like his video you should make your own, that way you can tell the world all about your knowledge and experiences just like the rest of us hard working content creators.

    • @maxwell_j_R
      @maxwell_j_R 3 года назад +2

      @@fochofidaho5149 I am happy he is passionate about skating and is willing to create content. But as a follow-up video, this still isn't the end of this discussion, and I feel the need to call that out - in a reply, or two, which for me is much more clear and efficient than creating my own video.
      The perspective presented:
      [1] Partially ignores the practical truths about frames (the secondary nature of wheel setups);
      [2] Tries to come from a scientific background, yet ignores some scientific truths (stability, power transfer, and grip for an "effective wheelbase" of rockered setups) and
      [2.5] yet uses antidotal evidence for a preference without doing the proper research to provide antidotal evidence/experience from the otherside;
      Basically [3] assumes (and he even admits to assuming) that people know the "feeling" of shorter frames or reasons for wanting one (and there are more than just hockey, slalom, crossovers), and yet imo
      [3.5] doesn't really explain how there might only be a few specific/practical situations in which the feeling/"lean stability" of a longer frame is necessary for an intermediate skater..
      It just isn't right to look at something like skating, break down one aspect with such a "scientific" view - but with a bias for a certain feeling /skating style, and without giving practical truths.
      He and many might enjoy a more stable "ski" feeling when on skates; however, many enjoy the experience of needing to use/improve their balance, especially if that whole set-up allows plenty of benefits while doing so.
      Maybe/hopefully the problem is a simple misunderstanding from that these are the first videos of this nature he is doing, and by them being the first, there then seems be too much emphasis on what (imo) is not practical information - and information which can misinform or cause confirmation bias among viewers and others those viewers might speak to.

    • @NazarOnWheels
      @NazarOnWheels  3 года назад +3

      ​@@maxwell_j_R Thank you for all these comments. All I can say is - you have really high standards for a video like that and I'm sure I will never match it simply because I'm a real human in a real world who does it in his free time. So there is absolutely no way I would do a single video covering all the "practical" aspects altogether in a single one, which would probably be 1-hour long at least. And it would probably take a week to just make an exact plan of what to say and in which order to fit in a single video. And then who knows how long to record, because if you ever tried to do a video of yourself talking about something specific, you might know how not trivial it is and how many takes you have to do for each couple of sentences to sound right. So I chose this format, breaking everything down by isolated topics, which is realistic for me to produce at the pace I'm comfortable with and manageable for the audience to watch. I imagine that in a year from now, when the whole thing will be public, someone will be able to watch the whole series in a matter of 1-2 days and get the complete picture altogether. But as you are seeing it in the making, sure you're not getting the whole picture from a single episode but just a fraction of it. On the other hand, I think you do already have the whole picture in your head anyway.
      Nevertheless, I really appreciate your comments since they help me come up with specific points to cover (or be careful about) in the next episodes. So keep them coming...

    • @maxwell_j_R
      @maxwell_j_R 3 года назад +2

      @@NazarOnWheels I don't expect such long videos covering every detail of every setup. Just, I believe, there needs to information presented that is practical/useful for the intermidiate skater.
      Like your first video barely emphasize how amazing it is to - with long frames - land a big jump to a squating technique (or skate park bowls/transitions or one foot wizardry), thus not worrying about falling backward.
      Discuss the positives of these physics-based properties in terms of different skating styles, but then mention the negatives of the setups that these frame lengths are likely manufactured at.
      And if you mention something like rockered frames, know and mention that that is a whole other can of worms of physics-based properties - which you'll likely cover in more detail in an upcoming video.

    • @fochofidaho5149
      @fochofidaho5149 3 года назад +1

      @@maxwell_j_R You should put in the work to make your own video since you are the smartest person you know and seem to have all of these remarkably paramount suggestions that you can't force anyone else to do! Either that or just realize that you can share your opinion with the creator, but you can't expect them to change everything to tailor toward you specifically. The vocabulary in your comments such as: "needs to be" and "just isn't right to" is just plain bossy and look to be an attempt to completely force your own little agenda into his amazing content. Why? Especially since you shut down his own opinion about how he enjoys skating down when you say that he has a bias for a certain feeling on skates. Don't we all? I know you do because you talked about how you love the thrill of a lack of balance on a short frame and how it is easier to do crossovers, at least you did before you edited your comment. Maybe you should take a few steps back and cope with the fact that we all have preferences in everything, not just skating, and that content creators are entitled to their own opinions just like you and everyone else. On top of that the bulk of his audience loves his videos because HE is the one behind them with the information and the good ideas. I wanted to know what Nazar was up to and what HE likes in the world of skating, that's why I watch him. There are plenty of other channels out there to watch but we came here. Nazar, if you're reading this, thanks for the content and keep it up! :^)

  • @milcirdec
    @milcirdec 3 года назад +1

    "Longer frame means for larger wheels". Knowledge read off the internet does not equal to wisdom.
    4x76mm wheels on 237mm frame and 247mm, do you know the different?
    How about 3x125mm on 255mm frame and 320mm?
    ibb.co/QDsqRLW
    Why PowerSlide develop so much frames and ideal behind each application? And marketing differences that cover other brands' gap. Your topic will be more fulfilling if you can talk about the logic than reading spec from internet.
    But can't blame you, knowledge will never be = to wisdom, if you never have enough applications.

    • @NazarOnWheels
      @NazarOnWheels  3 года назад +1

      I have the impression that you didn't watch the previous video from the series where I talked specifically about the logics behind it: ruclips.net/video/dCjukQs7M-4/видео.html