Great observation! And yes that is true. Boss Monsters only stop aging if their children die/both parents die. They age normally if their child/children or at least one parent still live. Though this is the rule in Undertale. It could still be the case in Deltarune. But at the same time, it might not. Different world with some different rules after all.
And about that in the end of pacifist we see photos and on one toriel have glasses what means she dont need them only to read enymore but jsut need them what means azzy didnt turned to flower and he just sitting there and waiting
Great art and dub! Really shows how scary this would be for the parents slowly piecing it together that Asriel is gone, and for Kris knowing the clock is ticking before they find out.
As monsters seem to be fundamentally different than they do in undertale, i believe that the whole "aging" things doesnt apply in Deltarune, although it _is_ an interesting idea.
@@Ozofearlezwe have no reason to believe they aren't, they could be middle aged yeah but we have nothing suggesting they aren't the same several thousand year old boss monsters they are in undertale
@@Ozofearlezconsidering that deltarune is just a separate timeline from undertale and kris looks exactly like frisk and many monsters fron their time are there, that means the dreemmurrs were alive for long enough to adopt kris, though one could argue asrei’ls age, they could have just had him later
he did in the timeline when he first woke up as Flowey, but then he found out he can Reset and went back to before he told them, so they don't know in Undertale's timeline@@fedethegreat88
@@fedethegreat88 well after his neutral route fight, Asgore talks about how he wishes he could see Asriel again and believes him to be truly dead and Toriel outright attacks Flowey at the start of the game when he tries to kill Frisk which would be weird behavior for both of them if they knew Flowey was Asriel
@@naIieva Understandable, although Asgore may have simply forgotten due to time and Toriel may have decided to do that to save the human, she didn't kill him after all
Agreed, especially because the "burden" of the aging would be shared by Asgore and Toriel. If it was a single parent case, I do guess they would notice faster, because despite the kid aging at the same speed, they would need to take twice the energy from the parent instead. (or a case where they had more than just Asriel, as a biological child)
Oh yeah I forgot the fact toriel and asgore are boss monsters making it so they only age if their kid is alive and toriel might be worried Asriel is well..ya know dead which is not true
Boss monsters... is the actual name of Asgore's and Toriel's species... and by extension Asriel. So, yeah, they exist. The question would be more on whether they still have that biologic trait of not aging if they don't have a kid. (Boss monster isn't some kind of special power rank you reach in monsterkind, like I think you thought)
@@orianefaton1885 No, I do understand that Boss Monster is a born trait and not a rank, I just don't understand why it apparently has to in Deltarune as well despite the fact that there's no sign of it at all. Like, can't Toriel's and Asgore's species just be "goat"?
just because theyre different universes doesnt have to mean boss monsters dont exist. there is no evidence to support or deny it as far as im concerned
A bit of information boss monsters only age when there biological son becomes the same age as them meaning that if toriel was 80 Asriel would need to be 80 before toriel would continue ageing
That could be the case...? I'm not sure, because Gerson never really ellaborated it, he just says they give their magic to their kid for them to grow. He also says Asgore's been stuck at this age since his son died, which would mean DID age before it happened. So the way I interpreted it is that they start aging when the kid as born and die when they become an adult. I could be wrong though, and I always enjoy having deep lore-discussions of my favourite medias. Thank you for your comment!❤️
Nope, version says that when teh child is born, they take the parents soul power, making both age, if Toriel was 40 amd Asriel 0, when Asriel is 40, Toriel would be 80
I... either you worded it in confusing manner, or you yourself got confused. Boss monsters, age from the moment they have a child. The baby is basically absorbing the parent life force to grow up and become an adult. We can assume the process would stop the moment the kid reached adulthood (or sexual maturity at the youngest) as they would instead, be capable to be on the receiving hand, having a child to make them age. Which, could mean, that Asgore and Toriel may or may not still have their energy drained once Asriel would hae become an adult. To give example : In Undertale, since Asriel died, both of his parents are frozen in time, unable to age until they have a child again. Using AUs that respect the lore, in Altertale, the skeletons (Gaster, Sans and Papyrus) swapped roles with the Dreemur (Respectively : Asriel, Toriel and Asgore. In it, Asgore and Toriel are siblings, possibly twins). They look very young, as Asriel is their father and is kinda "dead" but it may be debated that he also is kinda technically "alive", so maybe his energy is just passing very, VERY slowly to his kids, to the point they barely look like they are aging at all. (though, as Asriel had two kids, and no known partner... how he isn't much older is questionnable, as he likely would have lost twice the amount of enery)
Boss Monsters (Toriel, Asgore, and Asriel) age through their soul draining into the child/from the parent. In this case, without a child/parent to give/take soul power, they don’t age.
In simpler term : In undertale, neither Asgore nor Toriel will age unless they have another biological child. In the reverse way, had something lead to Asgore and Toriel both dying before Asriel reached adulthood (or sexual maturity), meaning he would be unable to have kids, Asriel would be stuck as a child, unable to age... forever.
Everyone is saying boss monsters only age when their child reaches their age, but this doesn’t make any sense. If a boss monster is born, they won’t have any children of their own and so they will never grow old enough to have any. How could one ever age enough to have children if they need children to age???
I think it’s the opposite? When a boss monster is born they are able to grow up by sucking away their parents’ magic or something, and that causes the parents to grow old (and possibly die after they child is already an adult imo). Thanks for the comment though! :)
Boss monsters age up to a certain point (possibly what would be considered adulthood for monsters) then they stop aging until they have a child. When they have one, they continue to age until their inevitable dusting from old age or if their child happens to dust first. This happened in Undertale, which caused both Toriel and Asgore to stop aging and they won't start unless Asriel is reincarnated or they have another child.
@@DeterminedBlade yeppers and they don't age because of flowy and flowy is asreial in that time line and we've seen that he could come back to aerial with a lot of magical power so delta rune culd be the fuchere when he fully came back plus really you never looked at the name of Kris? Dusent it look at least a little bit familiar? Think man think
@@adomzenith3755 yes, but have you ever seen how flowey came to be from Asriel? Yes, part of it was determination, but there was another factor as well. Here’s my hint: the dust.
The deltarune universe seems to work differently so I'm pretty sure boss monsters aren't a thing and all monsters are normal people since we never see anyone use magic outside of dark worlds
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For the confused Boss monsters aka Toriel and Asgore only age when they have a child making toriel worried that their son had died
I completely forgot about that fact!
I think it's a form of compasation. For the child to grow into maturity the monster parents will have to give their own years to him.
Great observation! And yes that is true. Boss Monsters only stop aging if their children die/both parents die. They age normally if their child/children or at least one parent still live.
Though this is the rule in Undertale. It could still be the case in Deltarune. But at the same time, it might not. Different world with some different rules after all.
I did not know this so I was so confused thank you for telling us
And about that in the end of pacifist we see photos and on one toriel have glasses what means she dont need them only to read enymore but jsut need them what means azzy didnt turned to flower and he just sitting there and waiting
Great art and dub! Really shows how scary this would be for the parents slowly piecing it together that Asriel is gone, and for Kris knowing the clock is ticking before they find out.
You have seen that theory too.
Don't ya?
I can see toby fox telling the same history all over again, but from another perspective
Wait
Is that a theory
Oh god that makes sense
But what’s with the 7 days til he comes home than
Is that how long until Kris realizes?
As monsters seem to be fundamentally different than they do in undertale, i believe that the whole "aging" things doesnt apply in Deltarune, although it _is_ an interesting idea.
It aplyies until It's implied that it dosn't
@@Ozofearlez We don´t know if they are or are not, it´s never mention
@@Ozofearlezwe have no reason to believe they aren't, they could be middle aged yeah but we have nothing suggesting they aren't the same several thousand year old boss monsters they are in undertale
@@Ozofearlezconsidering that deltarune is just a separate timeline from undertale and kris looks exactly like frisk and many monsters fron their time are there, that means the dreemmurrs were alive for long enough to adopt kris, though one could argue asrei’ls age, they could have just had him later
@@AlecasnotebookMonsters are implied to bleed too, or at the very, very least, Susie does.
i like to think of the opposite; toriel and asgore slowly realizing they're aging again in undertale's pacifist ending since Flowey was created
They would know about Flowey tho since he reveals in Genocide that he asked them for help
he did in the timeline when he first woke up as Flowey, but then he found out he can Reset and went back to before he told them, so they don't know in Undertale's timeline@@fedethegreat88
@@naIieva And your proof being...?
@@fedethegreat88 well after his neutral route fight, Asgore talks about how he wishes he could see Asriel again and believes him to be truly dead
and Toriel outright attacks Flowey at the start of the game when he tries to kill Frisk
which would be weird behavior for both of them if they knew Flowey was Asriel
@@naIieva Understandable, although Asgore may have simply forgotten due to time and Toriel may have decided to do that to save the human, she didn't kill him after all
ok, so boss monsters age only when they have a child and neither Toriel nor Asgore have been aging. It's okay i'm sure Asriel's *FINE*
*The realization that your son has tragically died and the adopted is responsible*
someone gets it! Thank you
@@Asriel648 your welcome!
@@TheGamerninja15ur saying kris killed asriel?
@@TheXenith it's just a theory, A GAME THEORY!!!
@@TheGamerninja15 oh okay sorry
It would take 2-3 years to notice the lack of changes that should be occuring.
Agreed, especially because the "burden" of the aging would be shared by Asgore and Toriel. If it was a single parent case, I do guess they would notice faster, because despite the kid aging at the same speed, they would need to take twice the energy from the parent instead. (or a case where they had more than just Asriel, as a biological child)
Asriel is fiiiiine. He's just hanging out with some human kid who likes wearing pink and has a flower in her hair
I think I know who you're talking about. Just a hunch though
Oh no, I don't get it
Time to bring Glitchtale Sans,Gaster, and Frisk with me
@@lummi5921 glitchtale
@@lummi5921 Bete Noire (Betty) from Glitchtale
The Soul of Fear
Her pet Akumu eats souls
It's worth noting that this only applies to boss monsters. Regular monsters age and fall down.
In Undertale. It has never been said that Boss monsters are a thing in Deltarune
Good job, make sure to keep it up!
the phone ringing in the beginning was so similar to mine for no reason ∲∲∲∲
Oh yeah I forgot the fact toriel and asgore are boss monsters making it so they only age if their kid is alive and toriel might be worried Asriel is well..ya know dead which is not true
top tier voice acting
Toriel i just started a suit case full of coac im starting to feel the effeex😵
stop, I'll cry!
Interesting how people seem to assume that Boss Monsters exist in Deltarune despite Toby specifically saying that Deltarune isn't Undertale
Boss monsters... is the actual name of Asgore's and Toriel's species... and by extension Asriel.
So, yeah, they exist. The question would be more on whether they still have that biologic trait of not aging if they don't have a kid.
(Boss monster isn't some kind of special power rank you reach in monsterkind, like I think you thought)
@@orianefaton1885 No, I do understand that Boss Monster is a born trait and not a rank, I just don't understand why it apparently has to in Deltarune as well despite the fact that there's no sign of it at all.
Like, can't Toriel's and Asgore's species just be "goat"?
just because theyre different universes doesnt have to mean boss monsters dont exist. there is no evidence to support or deny it as far as im concerned
A bit of information boss monsters only age when there biological son becomes the same age as them meaning that if toriel was 80 Asriel would need to be 80 before toriel would continue ageing
That could be the case...? I'm not sure, because Gerson never really ellaborated it, he just says they give their magic to their kid for them to grow. He also says Asgore's been stuck at this age since his son died, which would mean DID age before it happened. So the way I interpreted it is that they start aging when the kid as born and die when they become an adult. I could be wrong though, and I always enjoy having deep lore-discussions of my favourite medias. Thank you for your comment!❤️
Nope, version says that when teh child is born, they take the parents soul power, making both age, if Toriel was 40 amd Asriel 0, when Asriel is 40, Toriel would be 80
I feel like you just... made that up.
@@krisdeluxe4417 It's gerson dialogue after Asriel fight.
You can see Frisk asking if Asgore being their dad
I... either you worded it in confusing manner, or you yourself got confused.
Boss monsters, age from the moment they have a child. The baby is basically absorbing the parent life force to grow up and become an adult.
We can assume the process would stop the moment the kid reached adulthood (or sexual maturity at the youngest) as they would instead, be capable to be on the receiving hand, having a child to make them age.
Which, could mean, that Asgore and Toriel may or may not still have their energy drained once Asriel would hae become an adult.
To give example :
In Undertale, since Asriel died, both of his parents are frozen in time, unable to age until they have a child again.
Using AUs that respect the lore, in Altertale, the skeletons (Gaster, Sans and Papyrus) swapped roles with the Dreemur (Respectively : Asriel, Toriel and Asgore. In it, Asgore and Toriel are siblings, possibly twins). They look very young, as Asriel is their father and is kinda "dead" but it may be debated that he also is kinda technically "alive", so maybe his energy is just passing very, VERY slowly to his kids, to the point they barely look like they are aging at all. (though, as Asriel had two kids, and no known partner... how he isn't much older is questionnable, as he likely would have lost twice the amount of enery)
This is just woah
Piles of asriels dust
Jaruverse lore
Varni fogom🕊🙋🏻♀️
Ok I must’ve missed some lore what about Asriel being dead stopping toriel and asgores aging?
Boss Monsters (Toriel, Asgore, and Asriel) age through their soul draining into the child/from the parent. In this case, without a child/parent to give/take soul power, they don’t age.
In simpler term : In undertale, neither Asgore nor Toriel will age unless they have another biological child.
In the reverse way, had something lead to Asgore and Toriel both dying before Asriel reached adulthood (or sexual maturity), meaning he would be unable to have kids, Asriel would be stuck as a child, unable to age... forever.
Flowey in deltarune
when the son dies or is away the dad "cough" i mean king stops aging so yea this is cannon
Ok but its never implied Asriel died. And its directly stated Asriel is coming back home during the week.
I think it’s a reference to a popular fan theory from JaruJaruJ
piles of asriel’s dust
Everyone is saying boss monsters only age when their child reaches their age, but this doesn’t make any sense. If a boss monster is born, they won’t have any children of their own and so they will never grow old enough to have any. How could one ever age enough to have children if they need children to age???
I think it’s the opposite? When a boss monster is born they are able to grow up by sucking away their parents’ magic or something, and that causes the parents to grow old (and possibly die after they child is already an adult imo).
Thanks for the comment though! :)
Boss monsters age up to a certain point (possibly what would be considered adulthood for monsters) then they stop aging until they have a child. When they have one, they continue to age until their inevitable dusting from old age or if their child happens to dust first. This happened in Undertale, which caused both Toriel and Asgore to stop aging and they won't start unless Asriel is reincarnated or they have another child.
I think sence azrieal came back through determination and magic the aging doesn't work.
This is deltarune, not Undertale. “Flowey” never existed in deltarune
@DeterminedBlade if Tory and asgore exist so duse flowy or the concept of flowy.
@ Wh- no. Have you even played Undertale?
@@DeterminedBlade yeppers and they don't age because of flowy and flowy is asreial in that time line and we've seen that he could come back to aerial with a lot of magical power so delta rune culd be the fuchere when he fully came back plus really you never looked at the name of Kris? Dusent it look at least a little bit familiar? Think man think
@@adomzenith3755 yes, but have you ever seen how flowey came to be from Asriel? Yes, part of it was determination, but there was another factor as well. Here’s my hint: the dust.
The deltarune universe seems to work differently so I'm pretty sure boss monsters aren't a thing and all monsters are normal people since we never see anyone use magic outside of dark worlds
I don't get it
Going by the comments, it's being implied that Asriel is dead, thus halting their aging.
@@WarmLusamine And what was the point of making Asriel dead?
@@bobkane432The point is to make a plot
boss monsters only age when their child is still maturing they stop aging when their kid reaches adulthood or dies
@@bobkane432have you ever played Undertale?
I higliy doubt this applys in deltarune no offense to the makers though