I trimmed out a song clip of The Slits' song "Typical Girls" around 16:10, because the album cover contains controversial content. Sorry if it breaks the video flow or feels unnatural. Thanks for watching! :)
I died of laughter when you said "Chances are you've met some 16 year old who listens to Joy Division and thinks they got the best music taste in the world"
But a 16-year-old who listened to Joy Division almost certainly would have amazing taste in music, though. Or maybe they just liked their parents’ old music, at least in the USA.
I'm genuinely excited and happy and pleased that you think so. Thanks for taking the time to comment kindly, it's really well appreciated. Have a great weekend and Happy Halloween! E: typo
Nice job Stella. Durutti Column, in my humble opinion, are hugely underrated and not championed enough as excellent musicians who write great music. I am glad that you gave them an honorable mention in this well researched video.
Peter Hook (the former bassist of Joy Division/New Order) has very gorgeous book about post-punk epoch. It is called 'Unknown Pleasures: Inside Joy Division'. I am reading the book this autumn - massively impressed by his narratives about Manchester, milieu and etc.
Its very rare to hear a book described as gorgeous. Consider me very intrigued! Thanks for the cool recommendation. Thank you also for taking the time to comment kindly. Have a great day, a great weekend, and if you enjoy Halloween, Happy Halloween too!
It's a great book, i still haven't finished his follow-up about New Order, but I did read Barney's book. Guess I need to read Stephen Morris' book. I read Touching from the Inside by Deborah Curtis a long time ago.
I know the whole school teacher thing is a running joke in your videos, but i’m literally always writing down the names of bands, songs and albums so that I remember to listen to them later. You do such a great job with these, and your content is much appreciated!!
Haha thank you, glad you enjoy them! The acts related are mentioned in the video description box btw. You can also access my Patreon for playlists of the videos (link in description)! :D
Much to my surprise this analysis of that period, is pretty good. As others have said we didn't call it post punk at the time, it was generally referred to loosely as alternative or new wave. It was the DIY nature of punk that opened the door to this but the roots were there in Iggy's album, the Idiot and other such material going further back. John Peels influence in curating this movement shouldn't be underestimated.
I am honestly very glad that I was able to surprise you to some degree with this analysis. It's a well received compliment, thank you. I do understand the discussion around how it was referred to at the time, and how that definition has changed over-time. I think this is actually quite a common theme across many genre's. I think its common that over-time (decades later) a wider perspective comes into view and the taxonomy adjusts to incorporate. Its a bone of contention for many, and it proves a little difficult for some to accept. I do sympathise. I like your suggestion that the roots of PP lay with Iggy and others of that DIY ilk, its an astute observation, and I can see where that comes from. I have to admit to being a huge fangirl for John Peel. (I am planning to call my live streams Stella Peel Sessions as an homage). Thank you for taking the time to reply kindly and thoughtfully, its appreciated. Have a great day!
Matt Wright, in Saint Louis the UMSL (University) radio station had a student show called "Pipeline" in the early 1980s that played all this music, and I remember what a treat it would be when they had a "UK Buzz" record sent over with John Peel presenting his show for American community/college radio stations. I also could pick up the BBC on my shortwave radio and listen to John Peel later on in life. What an amazing figure Peel was! I hope there is a biography of him somewhere I can read someday.
I need to listen to this, I've only heard Jeopardy, one of my favorite albums. For some reason I was hesitant about their ability to create anything else on the level of Jeopardy. I bet I was mistaken.
Interpol was my introduction to post-punk. That first album left a severe impression on me when it came out. After hearing comparisons to Joy Division I went backwards and got heavily into them, moving onto New Order and the Cure. Saw them during the El Pintor tour at Terminal 5 in NYC and they blew the roof off! Great vid as always, Stella!
Wow Interpol was also one of the bands that introduced me to this genre! I saw Interpol at Terminal 5 in New York in 2014 too, it was soooooo gooood!! Totally worth my wait in the cold and rainy November NYC in line for 2 hours at the gate 😊
These videos are fantastic, thank you! I grew up listening to these bands, so it’s really exciting to hear someone discover them from a very different generation. Could you please do a video describing your favorite albums of all time?
I'm really pleased that you can benefit from the videos, even if it's a second time around so to speak. Not everyone has the ability to embrace a fresh understanding of their past. Thank you for your suggestion, I don't have exactly that title on my to-do list. But, I like the idea! Thank you very much for taking the time to reply kindly and thoughtfully. Have a great day!
While that remark about the person who listens to Joy Division and as a result thinks they are deep is quite funny I do actually think most people who I've met who grew up listening to them and appreciating them usually have amazing taste in music (perhaps our presenter is a case in point, hmm? ;p). Honestly it's just the people who aren't fans that wear a shirt with the Unknown Pleasures cover art on it just because they think it looks cool that annoy me most. >< A band I thought may have gotten a mention were XTC, but they certainly do straddle that line between post punk and new wave which can always be a tricky grey area. I always thought of the Dismemberment Plan as being somewhat in this tradition as far as bands started in the 90's. And I will just mention some Canadian contributors to the early 2000's revival scene in Wolf Parade, Hot Hot Heat and Women. Wonderfully done overview of one of the most fascinating musical creative explosions of the 20th century (and some of it's successors up to the present day). I would not have guessed that you took your moniker from that Interpol song but it actually makes total sense in retrospect. Such an incredible album TOTBL is. One of my favourites for sure. :)
🇧🇷 Olá Stella!! Wonderful video and your channel is super cool! I recommend a Brazilian post punk band called LEGIÃO URBANA. This group is very important in the Latin American rock scene. I hope you enjoy!
I wholly agree, McGeoch was one of the most rare talents. I don't know if you watched my Siouxsie and the Banshees vid. I mentioned him on that too. Thanks for taking the time to reply kindly, have a great day.
@@StellasEncounter I believed I've watched it already. Also, it would have been great if you'd mentioned Ireland's Virgin Prunes. Anyways, great content as always!
When you mentioned the use of repetition in The Fall’s music you could have used a sample from their song “Repetition” but you went with “Totally Wired” and that is perfectly okay since that is a better song.
"Sweet of Stella to acknowledge humor of Smith here. The 'three Rs' in education, reading, 'riting, 'rithmetic were to all The Fall, repetition, repetition, repetition...
@@themysticalpoetess5214 Totally Wired? I know of some music critics who agree that this is their favorite song by The Fall (my favorites would be Leave the Capital, Fantastic Life, Hit the North, or No Bulbs 3. But if "Repetition" is really your favorite song by The Fall, I salute you, because that is such an unusual choice!
@@EricHadleyIves I meant Totally Wired, although I like the Classical and Fiery Jack too. I haven't heard that much of their work but I do love Totally Wired, not because it is popupar, but as it resonates with my ADHD brain. I appreciate the Fall, but they aren't my favourite post punk band. There are many I am obsessed with and it is my favourite genre hands down, although my taste is eclectic.
My apologies, 100 times I do actually know this. But, for some reason on camera I just dropped the ball. Thanks for coming back and taking the time to comment. Have a great day!
The definitive best 21st century post punk band is Women, while everyone else was worried about recapturing the sound of the 80s, Women made something entirely new.
Absolutely stunning introduction to these forms of music. Another gem. And the cute visuals and choices of images are extraordinary. I think the bands and songs you chose to describe would all be reasonable choices and as a fan who loved this music when it came out (in the later years of the trend) I have no objections to any of your choices or descriptions. Thank you so much for your references to the post-punk revival bands and Chinese bands, which I now need to explore. Some cultural history: I started getting into this music as an adolescent in around 1981, and I would say that in the Midwestern USA all of it was still just called “New Wave” or “Punk” and “post-punk” was not a term we used much. The various sub-genres we now recognize were largely unrecognized (except for “hardcore”). Distinguishing genres and sub-genres wasn’t so important to the college radio station disk-jockeys or fanzine writers or cool record store staff: all the music was considered together in one big tent. Now with niche music on the internet and computer algorithms on streaming services the fine gradations of sub-genres become more obvious, for better and for worse.
Thanks for watching and your comment! :D I like how you say you have "no objections to any of your choices or descriptions", hahaha, funny! I guess back in the 80s, alternative music was still a 'new' thing and not as developed in time, so it makes sense the categories were less in amount.
@@StellasEncounter It's always debatable which songs and bands you will include in a short introduction like this. I spent months and months determining which songs would go in that 31-hour, 30 episode podcast I started on the history of alternative and indie music, and there were so many lists and books and surveys and opinions to consider, and I consulted with several people in the industry, and still I'm not confident about the way I put it together. And I even worked at a college format radio station in the mid-1980s, so I am pretty well-informed anyway, but still I know people will disagree. Anyone who tries to educate about a genre has to consider the "consensus" decisions about the most significant artists and works, and still make room to put some personal choices into the mix. People can be viciously contentious about these lists, and savagely critique creators for excluding some important song or band, or including some obscure artist that had little influence. Part of the aesthetic that attracted me to the scene as an adolescent in the early 1980s was the "do-it-yourself" approach and the rejection of authority, so when the music press (Maximum Rock and Roll, Rolling Stone, New Music Express, etc.) proclaimed things about which bands were "important" and which bands were good and which songs were worthy, most of us kids in the scene took very little notice. Now, 40 years later, people still feel strongly that overlooked bands should get their due, and overrated bands should be exposed for their mediocrity. It's a minefield to produce this sort of content. For those of us trying to give our personal summaries of the music, a great success is to produce a work that can't be dismissed as a work of an ignorant dilettante. Your work seems more like a John Peel show than something produced by a Generation Z person from China, and I continually marvel at that.
@@EricHadleyIves Haha I can relate to the struggle of picking songs. Have you recorded your podcast yet? I would like to have a listen if you got the recordings! As I'm just picking a snippet of a song for a video, so retaining audience's attention is also considered. Obviously there is also a personal preference. Sometimes I'm not pleased with I can only go 5-8 secs of a song to avoid getting copyright claimed by RUclips, which is why I would also like to do a radio/podcast type of thing to include a complete song, or songs that are not as ears-catchy. Thanks for your comment. It's always interesting to get insight from someone who's lived thourhg the time with first hand experience!
That's interesting that you would put the Damned in the category of post-punk. Aren't they one of the five or six bands that created punk rock? Of course bands can be punk and post-punk (The Clash, obviously). Shriekback were one of the best post-punk bands, but for a short overview, would they be considered influential enough to include? I'd include them because I love them, but I wasn't aware that they were especially influential or significant in the genre, but I'm American and it's not always clear to me how these various bands were perceived in the UK. Killing Joke... well, there you go with another great band, but would you really put them in a program about post-punk? They were so much more closer to rock or punk or alternative rock in their sounds. Yeah, there is an argument to be made that they were post-punk, and I've seen their music included in post-punk/new wave lists or anthologies. But it's always seemed to me that U2, Big Country, Killing Joke, The Alarm, The Red Rockers, and so forth were too much like punk and rock-and-roll to fit in smoothly with the bands that were "post-punk" or "new wave". Maybe there is a post-punk category of bands that were closer to rock-and-roll and we could certainly feature Killing Joke as one of the best British bands in that category. And those bands that OldSkoull mentioned out of Southern California like Gun Club and Flesheaters... they could go into some sort of post-punk category of psychobilly punk, because their music also doesn't quite fit in with stuff like Echo and the Bunnymen or Joy Division or Orange Juice or Wire or Gang of Four or Zounds.
@@EricHadleyIves You are correct in most of your analysis. It could be that I had a particular affinity for those bands when they were delving into post punk sounds. For example, "Curtain Call" by The Damned, and KJ's "Brighter Than A Thousand Suns".
To me the best Post Punk albums of the 80s are The Sound - From the Lions Mouth, Echo and the Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here, Lowlife - Diminuendo, The Chameleons - Script of the Bridge, Jesus and Mary Chain - Darklands, The Cure - Pornography, and Asylum Party - Borderline. Comsat Angels album, 7 Day Weekends, also has a special place in my heart but that was a much less post-punk album then their previous couple of albums. My favorite post-punk songs are The Cure 'Sinking' and The Sound 'Hothouse.'
Your username is very memorable, good work! Yours is a great selection. I've just realised I haven't done a 'Top Ten XYZ' in a while. Thanks for taking the time to reply thoughtfully and kindly, have a great day!
pretty good video, not really surprised that The Comsat Angel and And Also The Trees were not mentioned, though surprised that The Killers and The Bravery or The Strokes were neglected with regards to the early 00's revival movement especially when White Lies didn't appear until around 2008-2009 (still a fan though).
Thanks for watching and your comment! The Killers do have a post-punk influence on them but they are just..eh too pop in some ways (I like some of their hits). The Strokes are garage-rock revival.
Super stellar video, Stella! Some of my fave bands featured in this video. Also love your creative spooky film/graphics intro. Interesting that Camus inspired the name of one band, THE FALL, and the song "Kill An Arab", by the CURE, based on "L'Estranger" (The Stranger) and the character Meursault who shoots a man on the beach. Bravo, Miss Stella :)
Now that I think I've read about the Killing an Arab and Camus connection before! Thanks for mentioning :) Glad you enjoyed, have a great weekend, and Happy Halloween!
This is awesome!! An amazing, informative and original account of some fantastic music created in a exciting time. I'm 63, was 18 in '79, and saw many of these bands live in those days, usually in scruffy, edgy basement-like bars with holes in the walls and dark energy. Bullseye!
Another great video! We had a great post-punk scene in the New York area with Bush Tetras, MARS, Blurt, Feelies, Polyrock, Contortions, ESG, Konk, Liquid Liquid, Certain General, Band of Outsiders.... It was a strong and vibrant scene that didn't produce stars but filled the clubs and got us punks dancing.
That's honestly actually very cool. I like the idea that we share cool, ethereal, and ephemeral moments. I'm familiar with some of your list, and I'll be checking out the rest. Thank you for taking the time to reply. Have a great day!
Pink turns blue is one of my all time favorite bands and saw and met them in Richmond Virginia. The modern bands of vision video and twin tribes as well as true body and ash code are amazing as well.
PTB is awesome, she wants revenge, she past away, lebanon hanover, so many new exciting bands... but i miss the smiths and morrissey solo carreer on this video...=/
Pink turns blue is also in my top 10 bands of all time. Along with Placebo The cure For Against Ro-robot Interpol Joy division The Afghan whigs The chameleons The opposition
I feel like I did mention Killing Joke, admittedly only in passing. When time permits, I'll deep-dive into some of the acts I've mentioned in passing. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Have a great day.
Antisistemicity is a foundation of punk. As Sex Pistols was not a independent band, so one cannot treat them as antisitemic and so not as a punk. Sorry... "Money, money, money, always funny...".
I'm not sure either. Watch it like ten or twenty more times please, and get your friends to verify it by the same method. Then report back. ;) I hope you had a great weekend, have a great day, and thanks for being cool and replying kindly.
Out of all of the PP revival bands mentioned, my favorites are Shame and Parquet Courts. I've had the chance to see both live here in San Francisco, and they're great!
And I'm thoroughly jealous! SF has a thriving music scene. I'm glad you are able to take advantage of it. Have a great weekend, and enjoy a Happy Halloween.
Fascinante video sobre o Post punk ... Parabéns pelo seu trabalho excelente ! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Novo ✍️ aqui ... Tenha um ótimo dia ! **************************************
If I'm honest , i went into this with total disdain....oh, she wasnt there ! What could she possibly know?? Contempt prior to investigation is not one of my best personality traits! I would like to compliment you on a GREAT JOB!! You covered this with way more depth than I expected!! There are people who listen to music and peopole who have music touch thier soul...I can see you are the later of the two! Congratulations on a great job!! Looking forward to seeing some more of your work!!
*phew* I do see a number of comments that go in the other direction. While I understand that I wasn't in the room 30± years ago I do still love and enjoy the scene. A number of people struggle with seeing the genre names change as the narrative changes and I do understand that 'trauma' Anyways, I'm genuinely really pleased you enjoyed the video, and I really hope you enjoy some more. Thank you very much for taking the time to reply with thoughtfulness & kindness, its well received and greatly appreciated. Have a great day!
Hello stellar Stella! excellent and complete video! It's fantastic how all these bands that were nourished by a lot of music had no desire for retromania but to go forward creating that unique sensitivity!! a band that I love is The Laughing Clowns. I congratulate you for your channel, I hope the subscribers increase, since your contribution is valuable! greetings from Argentina as always and have a great weekend!
A well noted suggestion! Thank you for taking the time to reply with an encouraging and kind comment. HAve a great day, weekend, and if you enjoy Halloween, Happy Halloween too!
Delta 5 was a companion band to the Gang of Four. They both were from Leeds. Delta 5 also incorporated Funk with their Punk. They were unique due to having three female bases along with a male guitarist and a male drummer.
i just learned about them while waiting aroound at a peter hook show for the main event. got there way too early, and the venu was just playing random post punk tracks. suprised id never heard of em.
So I’ve been waiting to watch this since post-punk is one of my all-time favorite genres, and you did not disappoint. You covered the main territory well and took care to mention groups like Magazine and Durutti Column and the Chameleons. Dave Allen from Gang of Four once dj’ed a Paint and Copter show and I was in heaven looking through his classic records. He had a band called Shrieckback who were pretty interesting. I would also check out Section 25, Comsat Angels, Altered Images, Savages, and early Simple Minds. I had no idea there was/is a post-punk scene in China, but given it’s enduring influence I’m not surprised. There’s even a fair amount of it in my own band’s music currently. Three last things, your visuals were really great in this video, you still buy cd’s (like me), and now I know why you are named Stella! I love that album too. Thank you Miss Stella.
Thanks for watching! This post-punk vid is frankly among my favs I've made! Just the audio wasn't great. Cool that you know Dave Allen!! Gang of Four toured in China in late 2019, shortly before Andy Gill died. There were speculations that he actually caught corona? I'd say most chinese alternative lovers grew up listening to 70s/80s post-punk, and 80s/90s alt-rock. The Cure, Joy Division, Nirvana, Sonic Youth! So when they formed bands, the influence is plausible.
Will Heggie's bass playing on the first Cocteau Twins album definitely made that album very post-punk. His bass playing in the band Lowlife was some of the best post-punk as well with notable songs like 'Colours Blue,' and 'Ramified.'
Well done Ms Stella.Gang Of Four and Siouxsie were so intense live.Buzzcocks were just pure fun.Arri Up was just fucking hilarious.I think I'll have my four rescue cats form a neo-Meowist punk/funk band named Gang Of Fur.
Very Nice. If you're at all curious about West Coast (US) "post punk" from the early eighties, you might try some Minutemen ("The Fascist" or "Paranoid Chant"), Saccharine Trust ("I Am Right" or "We Don't Need Freedom" from Kurt Cobain's 9th favorite LP), Middle Class ("Restless Young Men." "Out of My Hands" or "Blueprint for Joy" from Scavenged Luxury or Homeland.) Kommunity FK ("Something Inside Me Has Died" from Close one Sad Eye. and anything by Gun Club, Flesheaters. Voodoo Church, Super Heroines, Mnemonic Devices... and others.
If you are into post punk you should really listen to Pink turns blue (especially the last 5 albums) & The band: For Against. The lp Echelons is a banger. And aldo the band Ro-robot, but those records are hard to find. I was so lucky to see them live and found the records.
Excellent Post-Punk retrospective, my favorites and my friends' favorites were certainly mentioned; I forever will love Joy Division/New Order, Killing Joke, The Cure. . . (I could go on). Obstacle 1 amazed me when it came out, originally a "guilty pleasure" as I was being a closed minded teen, but I caught up with Interpol a few years later after Antics and realized I was missing out; they continue to be one of my favorite bands, they have a sound and mood which is truly their own. Fun fact, I named my cat Stella after the song haha. Anyhow, thanks for the great recommendations, I will definitely watch the No Wave video as well
So... you DID mention Art-Punk... Post-Punk bands who were Post-Punk before Post-Punk.Television, Pere Ubu, Suicide, Talking heads, devo, Wipers, Lydia lunch, Siouxsie, Wire, Slits, ... thank you.
I love your video. I'm a huge Post Punk fanatic and enjoy hearing your enthusiasm about some of my favorite music. The fact you like John McGeoch made me smile. He was brilliant.
Hi Stella, what a fantastic video. You are creating a valuable archive that highlights significant and diverse music and sound exploration deserving the attention you have given. PiL's 'Metal Box' album is an outright masterpiece, very much influenced by the spaces and rhythms in dub reggae that you mentioned. Both Joy Division albums are also post punk classics and the excellent doco 'Joy Division' from a few years ago explores how entwined the band's music was with the edgy, futuristic vibe of late 1970s Manchester. Producer Martin Hannett played a big role in creating those incredible soundscapes on both Joy Division albums. Your take on The Cure is spot on. I'm not sure that band has been given enough credit for bringing to mainstream audiences all they had absorbed from post-punk music. Their 1989 album 'Disintegration' is a major achievement in that regard. The Fall are also great and famous DJ John Peel said The Fall were always different but always the same! So good you mentioned Wire and The Slits as big influences on many cool bands in 80s and 90s like Sonic Youth who were into all that punk rock had to offer and were regarded as totally important by groups like the wonderful Pavement! Some US post punk bands like Pere Ubu were also labelled as playing 'avant garage'. I really like Pere Ubu' s 1978 album 'Dub Housing' and they are also great live. Also nice mention of No Wave that took post punk to the outer limits and is totally worth its own video. Happy to provide some recs if you decide to do it! In any case, the video is so good and wanted to mention another Australian band The Laughing Clowns who are definitely worth exploring. Your sound bites covered so many amazing bands. See previous contact comment for a better chat and recommendations.
Thanks for your comment! Good shout regarding producer Martin Hannet! The Cure are a bit like R.E.M., alternative band achieving mainstream success! It's interesting cuz R.E.M.'s success makes more sense for sure - they are more normal and adult-like. The Cure as a teen angst goth outfit with subculture image having mainstream success is just fascinating lol. Thanks for mentiong The Laughing Clowns, I didn't know them. I'd check out later. You can join my discord community for music chat/recs!
Hi Stella, thanks for replying. The Cure appealed to a generation of disaffected youth from numerous subcultures as did Kurt Cobain a decade later. Robert Smith was very clever at being able to conjure dark intensity on albums like 'Faith' and 'Pornography' but then turn out boppy pop songs like 'The Love Cats'. The 1992 'Wish' album (soon to be reissued) has 'Friday I'm in Love' a really catchy tune that everybody knows but also the emotionally fragile 'A letter to Elise'. Robert Smith has a particular talent for creating broad appeal and that's a pretty cool achievement. It is interesting to compare him with someone like Elliot Smith who deserved major recognition but would never have felt comfortable compromising his art in any way (not that I'm suggesting Robert Smith ever has!) I also want to mention an outstanding post punk song tinged with New York no wave and that is Yoko Ono's 'Walking on Thin Ice', one of the great songs of the 1980s. In fact you could argue her 'Plastic Ono Band' album from 1970 is a post-punk masterpiece well ahead of its time! You are very knowledgeable about all this stuff and would be great to engage in a longer form discussion about important art via email.
@@danielbigna5469 Hi Daniel, I'm happy to chat about music with people all over the world but I find the time to chat 1-1 challenging as many things including discord are taking my time. I hope that's okay! I appreciate your well-written thoughtful comments and I can tell you're a great writer. Thank you for the support and watching my videos! :)
@@StellasEncounter Hi Stella, thanks for replying. It's just cool to be able to respond at all about this stuff even if it just happens to be on a major public forum! It is worth taking the time to comment on your videos because your reviews are well researched and entertaining and your taste is quite similar to mine. Your latest Japanese music vid is really good and there is a lot of fantastic Japanese music out there stretching back to the late 1960s, although a lot of it is hard to find particularly in Australia where I am. Les Rallizes Denudes was an excellent starting point and I will comment more at the actual video!
@@danielbigna5469 Thank you for understanding. I have quite some replies accumulating sometimes I miss one or two. I'm quite surprised to find that people seem to know a lot about Japanese rock bands, certainly more than chinese rock bands :) I'd love to do a video about Australian bands too!
Did I forget Tappi Tikarrass "Miranda" the first band of Bjork from 1983. Please answer to me if you have for the list and what you think about it. Have a nice day
I'm a bit disapointed you don't want to talk to me by email. Nevers mind. Do as you please. By thé way to me thé first really dark, gloomy sound, pre-post punk IS thé bridge of "I want you" by the Beatles
Editors The Back Room Japanese Extra Tracks Edition is arguably the best post punk album ever made. The song Colors/ Colours is simply amazing. In second place would be Interpol Turn On The Bright Lights in the Post Punk World Cup.
PIL /Joy Division / Devo / the English Beat / the Cult / Slayer / Pantera / white zombie / the Ramones / the Smiths / echo & the bunny men / siouxie & the banshees / the Glove ( if you don’t know this band they are amazing and should have been more popular Robert Smith and Steve Sevrine are this band ) is music I grew up on and love listening to todayI was kinda lucky that I grew up in Southern California as we had great music available on the Radio …KROQ 106.7 , 91X 91.1 and KSPC 87.7 were amazing sources for great music , I still listen to the last 2 every time I am in the car ….. 87.7 KSPC is still serving up awesome new music …….
I"m glad radio still exists, I know the failures and flaws that are often discussed, but I think its quaint that its still soldiers on. It has its own charm. Thanks for taking the kind time to reply. Its well appreciated!.
I love your videos but one thing that drives me crazy in the modern era is when the original punk rock bands are called everything BUT punk rock. Three scenes: NYC, Detroit and Cleveland/ Akron OH is ground zero for punk rock. The Stooges, The MC5, Devo,Tin Huey/The Waitresses,Rubber City Rebels,Pere Ubu, Suicide,Jack Ruby, The Ramones, Television, Blondie, Talking Heads, Patti Smith Group…and so many more were the first punk bands…then Malcolm Mclaren caught a Ramones show, went back to the UK and tried to figure out how to turn it into money.
Congratulations on this very interesting and very complete video! You are funny and very pretty which makes this video even more enjoyable! Long live to the Chameleons, Sad Lovers and Giants and Oingo Boingo some of my favourite Post Punk bands.
this was so much fun, i felt attacked by the influences section, apparently i'm a post punk stereotype, you mentioned half my favorites! lol how's your band coming along? i love your accent so you can do vocals on a track for me if you like? keep up the good work!
Really good summary. I grew up a few years later in the US and saw these sounds develop further with releases from record labels like SST, Dischord, Homestead and Shimmy Disc and Gen X bands like Mission of Burma, Fugazi, The Replacements, Husker Du, The Minutemen, Sonic Youth, Bongwater, Meat Puppets etc. Lots of great music followed into the mid and late eighties.
I'm very tempted to start a series on labels. Thank you for your suggestions they are well received. I hope you had a good weekend, and have a great day!
@@StellasEncounter If you want to do a show on labels, you'll perhaps get some inspiration from the episodes on independent labels by "Beyond ARTV" (your work is much better than his) and the many videos on RUclips in which people in the music industry explain how record labels work and why artists might want to go with independent labels and how to run an independent label. You could start with Chess Records and Sun Records (extremely important in the history of Rock and Roll and two of the first independent labels). You might want to read mention how The Ventures (out of Seattle/Tacoma, Washington) formed their own label to sell their music, and so did Dick Dale (Deltone Records). Labels like I.R.S., Discord, Alternative Tentacles (check out their obscenity trial for "Frankenchrist"), Sub Pop, SST, and Matador are important American indie labels. In the UK, you would probably explore Crass, Rough Trade, Go! Discs, Postcard, Factory Records, Mute Records, Beggars Banquet, 4AD, and Stiff Records. It's a great topic!
I wish I had seen The Durutti Column live. I can't remember how many times I've seen The Cure live. Well, now I'll be listening to either The Cure's Carnage Visors or The Glove's Blue Sunshine. Or I could do both. Though, not at the same time. Thank you, Stella!
Magazine! The Chameleons! Also glad to see comments mentioning The Sound. Fun fact, the Cure toured with the Banshees early on as their opening act, and Robert Smith took over when their guitarist left, so playing two sets every night. Check out The Glove, an amazing collaboration between Smith and the Banshees’ Steven Severin, making just one, great album. Other fun fact, Ari Up from the slits was John Lydon’s stepdaughter.
"Like an Animal" by The Glove is one of my favorites, and "A Blues in Drag" is one of my favorite instrumentals. "Punish Me With Kisses" is another classic. So glad you mentioned The Glove.
@@StellasEncounter Really good! There was a show with three bands. One of the other ones was called Carsick Cars. Re-TROS really reminded me of the post-punk bands I’ve been listening to since I was a teenager, especially Bauhaus & Joy Division. Would love to hear more recommendations for music like this from China!
Haha thanks for telling your story!! I made several videos about chinese rock in my channel, you can check out if interested. They also mentioned Carsick Cars.
My release times and dates are (according to some) "annoyingly flexible". So yeah, I didn't plan either event. I'm sad we lost JLL, he was massive talent and influence. When I get time, I'll try to do a respectful treatment. Thanks for taking the time out of your day to comment kindly, It's very well appreciated. Have a great day, weekend, and Happy Halloween!
There’s a lot of new postpunk around. I like Fontaines DC, Eagulls and Girls in Synthesis. Also, there is a great new London Punk scene 2017 up to now with bands like Dad, Pussyliquor, Sewer Trench and my personal favourite, which has become an alltime favourite: Poisonous Cxnt. Even if those are more hardcore, CHECK THEM OUT!
My next worst band names video has new entries on your suggestions, hahahaha - pussy liquor - hahahahaha Thanbks for the reply and suggestions, I will check them out. Have a great day!
I have mentioned them all, but not all in this video. My Cocteau Twins video seemed to be well received, I hope you can find the time to have a look. Have a great day!
Another great video, thanks! My favourite Post Punk band would probably be Bauhaus. And Interpol are amazing live! Stella! NY no wave video please :) I think you could have included Foals, and Fontaines D.C. in your video, as new Post-Punk style bands from the U.K.
Yes, Hiperson is possibly my favorite band from the part of China controlled by the authorities in Beijing. I have no idea whether they are popular in Asia: my Taiwanese family and friends have never heard of them. They have a presence on BandCamp and Apple Music, so here in North America we can get their music, but are they popular back home in the Mainland? Their lyrics seem sort of political and critical of things going on, but maybe the words are obscure enough that they are tolerated? It is super difficult to learn about good Chinese music here. You've done three wonderful episodes on Chinese Rock history, so if you ever do a series on Post-punk in China, or shoegaze and dream pop in China (which seem to be very popular and to have never gone out of fashion?) your lessons would be eagerly attended by those of us who want to know more of what is going on over there in the real of underground and independent or alternative music.
I have to mention one of the greatest Post-Punk albums ever made… ruclips.net/p/PLiMAkjqsDYt75iKq9L-Scm0bdRFUCZxco And, not because of “I Melt with You”, which I usually skip cos it’s so overplayed. The creativity and atmosphere of the songs on this album are fantastic.
My recommendations: "Mesh & Lace" by Modern English, "Pindrop" by The Passage, "Sound-On-Sound" by Bill Nelson's Red Noise and the Cherry Red box sets "To The Outside Of Everything" and "Optimism / Reject".
Thanks for the recommendations, they're always well appreciated, I'll check them out as soon as I am able. Thanks also for taking the time to reply. Have a great day!
I'm sadly old enough to have lived through those times in the UK lol. I saw many of those bands back in the day. I don't remember ever hearing the name Post - Punk at the time. I didn't hear it until the 2000's. Some of the weekly music papers had Alternative or Independent charts so I guess we called it that but it wasn't a big thing. Those terms came to mean something different later on.
Hi Stella 👋 - Interpol readily admit to being heavily influenced by The Chameleons & Joy Division ➗️. They are a great band indeed. Siouxsie & The Cure are favorites .. Wish I had seen Siouxsie when Robert was briefly a Banshee. Happy Halloween 🎃 Stella ! Stay awesome 👌
I trimmed out a song clip of The Slits' song "Typical Girls" around 16:10, because the album cover contains controversial content.
Sorry if it breaks the video flow or feels unnatural. Thanks for watching! :)
Human bodies are sooooo controversial 😆,hey RUclips 🖕🏻
I'm impressed with how enjoyable I found this video. I even got a couple bands I need to listen to out of it.
am glad!!
@@StellasEncounterI'm glad you like post punk. K Pop sucks.
hahahahaha
I died of laughter when you said "Chances are you've met some 16 year old who listens to Joy Division and thinks they got the best music taste in the world"
Hahaha, that line's inspiration is the 16yo me! :D I was joking about myself!
But a 16-year-old who listened to Joy Division almost certainly would have amazing taste in music, though. Or maybe they just liked their parents’ old music, at least in the USA.
I agree. Joy Division was an overrated band.
I love joy division
@@StellasEncounter Ha- figured as much. I think we've all been there. :-)
Keep doing what you’re doing, you’re awesome
I'm genuinely excited and happy and pleased that you think so.
Thanks for taking the time to comment kindly, it's really well appreciated.
Have a great weekend and Happy Halloween!
E: typo
You're so adorable and knowledgeable!
I really try hard at both......lol
Have a great day brother, peace and light to you and yours!
Happy Halloween!
@@StellasEncounter Happy Halloween!
Nice job Stella. Durutti Column, in my humble opinion, are hugely underrated and not championed enough as excellent musicians who write great music. I am glad that you gave them an honorable mention in this well researched video.
Couldn't agree more!
Peter Hook (the former bassist of Joy Division/New Order) has very gorgeous book about post-punk epoch. It is called 'Unknown Pleasures: Inside Joy Division'. I am reading the book this autumn - massively impressed by his narratives about Manchester, milieu and etc.
Its very rare to hear a book described as gorgeous. Consider me very intrigued!
Thanks for the cool recommendation.
Thank you also for taking the time to comment kindly.
Have a great day, a great weekend, and if you enjoy Halloween, Happy Halloween too!
It's a great book, i still haven't finished his follow-up about New Order, but I did read Barney's book. Guess I need to read Stephen Morris' book. I read Touching from the Inside by Deborah Curtis a long time ago.
Echo and the Bunnymen's Heaven Up Here is a goddamn treasure.
I know the whole school teacher thing is a running joke in your videos, but i’m literally always writing down the names of bands, songs and albums so that I remember to listen to them later. You do such a great job with these, and your content is much appreciated!!
Haha thank you, glad you enjoy them! The acts related are mentioned in the video description box btw. You can also access my Patreon for playlists of the videos (link in description)! :D
Much to my surprise this analysis of that period, is pretty good. As others have said we didn't call it post punk at the time, it was generally referred to loosely as alternative or new wave. It was the DIY nature of punk that opened the door to this but the roots were there in Iggy's album, the Idiot and other such material going further back. John Peels influence in curating this movement shouldn't be underestimated.
I am honestly very glad that I was able to surprise you to some degree with this analysis. It's a well received compliment, thank you.
I do understand the discussion around how it was referred to at the time, and how that definition has changed over-time. I think this is actually quite a common theme across many genre's. I think its common that over-time (decades later) a wider perspective comes into view and the taxonomy adjusts to incorporate. Its a bone of contention for many, and it proves a little difficult for some to accept. I do sympathise.
I like your suggestion that the roots of PP lay with Iggy and others of that DIY ilk, its an astute observation, and I can see where that comes from. I have to admit to being a huge fangirl for John Peel. (I am planning to call my live streams Stella Peel Sessions as an homage).
Thank you for taking the time to reply kindly and thoughtfully, its appreciated.
Have a great day!
Matt Wright, in Saint Louis the UMSL (University) radio station had a student show called "Pipeline" in the early 1980s that played all this music, and I remember what a treat it would be when they had a "UK Buzz" record sent over with John Peel presenting his show for American community/college radio stations. I also could pick up the BBC on my shortwave radio and listen to John Peel later on in life. What an amazing figure Peel was! I hope there is a biography of him somewhere I can read someday.
One of favourite genres of music for sure! I also love glam rock and ambient! 👍🏼❤️
The Sound" From the lions mouth"is probably the best album ever recorded..!!!
True it's brilliant
I need to listen to this, I've only heard Jeopardy, one of my favorite albums. For some reason I was hesitant about their ability to create anything else on the level of Jeopardy. I bet I was mistaken.
@@carlosx1237 You weren't. Jeopardy is much better.
The most amazing music came out of this time. Every group was legendary....
Interpol was my introduction to post-punk. That first album left a severe impression on me when it came out. After hearing comparisons to Joy Division I went backwards and got heavily into them, moving onto New Order and the Cure. Saw them during the El Pintor tour at Terminal 5 in NYC and they blew the roof off! Great vid as always, Stella!
Thanks! So many memories with turn on the bright lights!! Also saw them in El Pintor tour, they played all my fav tunes! :D
Joy Division and The Cure suck. I'd kill myself too if I made music that terrible.
Wow Interpol was also one of the bands that introduced me to this genre! I saw Interpol at Terminal 5 in New York in 2014 too, it was soooooo gooood!! Totally worth my wait in the cold and rainy November NYC in line for 2 hours at the gate 😊
These videos are fantastic, thank you! I grew up listening to these bands, so it’s really exciting to hear someone discover them from a very different generation. Could you please do a video describing your favorite albums of all time?
I'm really pleased that you can benefit from the videos, even if it's a second time around so to speak.
Not everyone has the ability to embrace a fresh understanding of their past.
Thank you for your suggestion, I don't have exactly that title on my to-do list. But, I like the idea!
Thank you very much for taking the time to reply kindly and thoughtfully. Have a great day!
While that remark about the person who listens to Joy Division and as a result thinks they are deep is quite funny I do actually think most people who I've met who grew up listening to them and appreciating them usually have amazing taste in music (perhaps our presenter is a case in point, hmm? ;p). Honestly it's just the people who aren't fans that wear a shirt with the Unknown Pleasures cover art on it just because they think it looks cool that annoy me most. ><
A band I thought may have gotten a mention were XTC, but they certainly do straddle that line between post punk and new wave which can always be a tricky grey area. I always thought of the Dismemberment Plan as being somewhat in this tradition as far as bands started in the 90's. And I will just mention some Canadian contributors to the early 2000's revival scene in Wolf Parade, Hot Hot Heat and Women.
Wonderfully done overview of one of the most fascinating musical creative explosions of the 20th century (and some of it's successors up to the present day). I would not have guessed that you took your moniker from that Interpol song but it actually makes total sense in retrospect. Such an incredible album TOTBL is. One of my favourites for sure. :)
Brilliant video! The Au Pairs are often (criminally) overlooked in videos on this subject
Front 242, TC Matic, Neon Judgement, Red Zebra ;-) Also Belgium had a great scene!
I have never focused on Belgium, I know of some great output from there. I think I will explore more.
Thanks for the kind reply. Have a great day!
Dont forget snowy red mate
🇧🇷 Olá Stella!! Wonderful video and your channel is super cool! I recommend a Brazilian post punk band called LEGIÃO URBANA. This group is very important in the Latin American rock scene. I hope you enjoy!
Depeche Mode.
Pornography is my all time favorite album ever
its a difficult name, but, I agree its beyond excellent!
@@StellasEncounter the amount of people that were weirded out when I said it’s my favorite album but yes it’s a difficult name
yeah eastern Europe has many good post punk bands, I'm amazed you didn't give Molchat Doma a mention
As much as I adore Joy Division and The Fall, John McGeoch is a god!
I wholly agree, McGeoch was one of the most rare talents.
I don't know if you watched my Siouxsie and the Banshees vid. I mentioned him on that too.
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@@StellasEncounter I believed I've watched it already. Also, it would have been great if you'd mentioned Ireland's Virgin Prunes. Anyways, great content as always!
Thank you.
I'm not as familiar with Ireland's scene. It is a scene I will look into, thank you for the suggestion.
Have a great day!
When you mentioned the use of repetition in The Fall’s music you could have used a sample from their song “Repetition” but you went with “Totally Wired” and that is perfectly okay since that is a better song.
"Sweet of Stella to acknowledge humor of Smith here. The 'three Rs' in education, reading, 'riting, 'rithmetic were to all The Fall, repetition, repetition, repetition...
My favourite song by the Fall!
@@themysticalpoetess5214 Totally Wired? I know of some music critics who agree that this is their favorite song by The Fall (my favorites would be Leave the Capital, Fantastic Life, Hit the North, or No Bulbs 3. But if "Repetition" is really your favorite song by The Fall, I salute you, because that is such an unusual choice!
@@EricHadleyIves I meant Totally Wired, although I like the Classical and Fiery Jack too. I haven't heard that much of their work but I do love Totally Wired, not because it is popupar, but as it resonates with my ADHD brain. I appreciate the Fall, but they aren't my favourite post punk band. There are many I am obsessed with and it is my favourite genre hands down, although my taste is eclectic.
Johnny Rotten's real name is John Lydon.
My apologies, 100 times I do actually know this. But, for some reason on camera I just dropped the ball.
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The definitive best 21st century post punk band is Women, while everyone else was worried about recapturing the sound of the 80s, Women made something entirely new.
Absolutely stunning introduction to these forms of music. Another gem. And the cute visuals and choices of images are extraordinary. I think the bands and songs you chose to describe would all be reasonable choices and as a fan who loved this music when it came out (in the later years of the trend) I have no objections to any of your choices or descriptions. Thank you so much for your references to the post-punk revival bands and Chinese bands, which I now need to explore.
Some cultural history: I started getting into this music as an adolescent in around 1981, and I would say that in the Midwestern USA all of it was still just called “New Wave” or “Punk” and “post-punk” was not a term we used much. The various sub-genres we now recognize were largely unrecognized (except for “hardcore”). Distinguishing genres and sub-genres wasn’t so important to the college radio station disk-jockeys or fanzine writers or cool record store staff: all the music was considered together in one big tent. Now with niche music on the internet and computer algorithms on streaming services the fine gradations of sub-genres become more obvious, for better and for worse.
Thanks for watching and your comment! :D I like how you say you have "no objections to any of your choices or descriptions", hahaha, funny! I guess back in the 80s, alternative music was still a 'new' thing and not as developed in time, so it makes sense the categories were less in amount.
@@StellasEncounter It's always debatable which songs and bands you will include in a short introduction like this. I spent months and months determining which songs would go in that 31-hour, 30 episode podcast I started on the history of alternative and indie music, and there were so many lists and books and surveys and opinions to consider, and I consulted with several people in the industry, and still I'm not confident about the way I put it together. And I even worked at a college format radio station in the mid-1980s, so I am pretty well-informed anyway, but still I know people will disagree. Anyone who tries to educate about a genre has to consider the "consensus" decisions about the most significant artists and works, and still make room to put some personal choices into the mix. People can be viciously contentious about these lists, and savagely critique creators for excluding some important song or band, or including some obscure artist that had little influence.
Part of the aesthetic that attracted me to the scene as an adolescent in the early 1980s was the "do-it-yourself" approach and the rejection of authority, so when the music press (Maximum Rock and Roll, Rolling Stone, New Music Express, etc.) proclaimed things about which bands were "important" and which bands were good and which songs were worthy, most of us kids in the scene took very little notice. Now, 40 years later, people still feel strongly that overlooked bands should get their due, and overrated bands should be exposed for their mediocrity. It's a minefield to produce this sort of content. For those of us trying to give our personal summaries of the music, a great success is to produce a work that can't be dismissed as a work of an ignorant dilettante. Your work seems more like a John Peel show than something produced by a Generation Z person from China, and I continually marvel at that.
@@EricHadleyIves Haha I can relate to the struggle of picking songs. Have you recorded your podcast yet? I would like to have a listen if you got the recordings! As I'm just picking a snippet of a song for a video, so retaining audience's attention is also considered. Obviously there is also a personal preference. Sometimes I'm not pleased with I can only go 5-8 secs of a song to avoid getting copyright claimed by RUclips, which is why I would also like to do a radio/podcast type of thing to include a complete song, or songs that are not as ears-catchy. Thanks for your comment. It's always interesting to get insight from someone who's lived thourhg the time with first hand experience!
I actually got to meet Jon King and Hugo Burnham of Gang of Four on their recent North American tour. They're both super sweet, especially Hugo!
Killing Joke, The Damned, Shriekback. All three essential to any post-punk discussion.
These are all great suggestions. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Have a great day!
Killing Joke. Geordie Walker needs more recognition. Much more.
@@michaelwilson2340 Absolutely! He doesn't show off with shredding or finger tapping, but the atmosphere he creates is unmatched.
That's interesting that you would put the Damned in the category of post-punk. Aren't they one of the five or six bands that created punk rock? Of course bands can be punk and post-punk (The Clash, obviously).
Shriekback were one of the best post-punk bands, but for a short overview, would they be considered influential enough to include? I'd include them because I love them, but I wasn't aware that they were especially influential or significant in the genre, but I'm American and it's not always clear to me how these various bands were perceived in the UK.
Killing Joke... well, there you go with another great band, but would you really put them in a program about post-punk? They were so much more closer to rock or punk or alternative rock in their sounds. Yeah, there is an argument to be made that they were post-punk, and I've seen their music included in post-punk/new wave lists or anthologies. But it's always seemed to me that U2, Big Country, Killing Joke, The Alarm, The Red Rockers, and so forth were too much like punk and rock-and-roll to fit in smoothly with the bands that were "post-punk" or "new wave". Maybe there is a post-punk category of bands that were closer to rock-and-roll and we could certainly feature Killing Joke as one of the best British bands in that category. And those bands that OldSkoull mentioned out of Southern California like Gun Club and Flesheaters... they could go into some sort of post-punk category of psychobilly punk, because their music also doesn't quite fit in with stuff like Echo and the Bunnymen or Joy Division or Orange Juice or Wire or Gang of Four or Zounds.
@@EricHadleyIves You are correct in most of your analysis. It could be that I had a particular affinity for those bands when they were delving into post punk sounds. For example, "Curtain Call" by The Damned, and KJ's "Brighter Than A Thousand Suns".
To me the best Post Punk albums of the 80s are The Sound - From the Lions Mouth, Echo and the Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here, Lowlife - Diminuendo, The Chameleons - Script of the Bridge, Jesus and Mary Chain - Darklands, The Cure - Pornography, and Asylum Party - Borderline. Comsat Angels album, 7 Day Weekends, also has a special place in my heart but that was a much less post-punk album then their previous couple of albums. My favorite post-punk songs are The Cure 'Sinking' and The Sound 'Hothouse.'
Your username is very memorable, good work!
Yours is a great selection. I've just realised I haven't done a 'Top Ten XYZ' in a while.
Thanks for taking the time to reply thoughtfully and kindly, have a great day!
pretty good video, not really surprised that The Comsat Angel and And Also The Trees were not mentioned, though surprised that The Killers and The Bravery or The Strokes were neglected with regards to the early 00's revival movement especially when White Lies didn't appear until around 2008-2009 (still a fan though).
Thanks for watching and your comment! The Killers do have a post-punk influence on them but they are just..eh too pop in some ways (I like some of their hits). The Strokes are garage-rock revival.
Super stellar video, Stella! Some of my fave bands featured in this video. Also love your creative spooky film/graphics intro. Interesting that Camus inspired the name of one band, THE FALL, and the song "Kill An Arab", by the CURE, based on "L'Estranger" (The Stranger) and the character Meursault who shoots a man on the beach. Bravo, Miss Stella :)
Now that I think I've read about the Killing an Arab and Camus connection before! Thanks for mentioning :)
Glad you enjoyed, have a great weekend, and Happy Halloween!
This is awesome!! An amazing, informative and original account of some fantastic music created in a exciting time. I'm 63, was 18 in '79, and saw many of these bands live in those days, usually in scruffy, edgy basement-like bars with holes in the walls and dark energy. Bullseye!
hahaha, awesome, glad you liked it!!
Another great video! We had a great post-punk scene in the New York area with Bush Tetras, MARS, Blurt, Feelies, Polyrock, Contortions, ESG, Konk, Liquid Liquid, Certain General, Band of Outsiders.... It was a strong and vibrant scene that didn't produce stars but filled the clubs and got us punks dancing.
That's honestly actually very cool. I like the idea that we share cool, ethereal, and ephemeral moments.
I'm familiar with some of your list, and I'll be checking out the rest.
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Interpol? Hardly post punk
Pink turns blue is one of my all time favorite bands and saw and met them in Richmond Virginia. The modern bands of vision video and twin tribes as well as true body and ash code are amazing as well.
PTB is awesome, she wants revenge, she past away, lebanon hanover, so many new exciting bands... but i miss the smiths and morrissey solo carreer on this video...=/
Pink turns blue is also in my top 10 bands of all time. Along with
Placebo
The cure
For Against
Ro-robot
Interpol
Joy division
The Afghan whigs
The chameleons
The opposition
Viagra boys are by far one of if not my favorite band of all time, definitely recommend them to you
You Forgot The Psychedelic Furs and Killing Joke.
I feel like I did mention Killing Joke, admittedly only in passing. When time permits, I'll deep-dive into some of the acts I've mentioned in passing.
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Sadly missing here is Black and White by The Stranglers widely considered the first "New Wave" album post punk.
all my love, I can't list everything.
But, thank you for taking the kind time to reply.
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I think Eastern Europe and Germany play a big role in the post punk scene with such bands like Molchat Doma
Checking the band...coldwave!! I could feel the cold air already! Thanks for recs!
How about Killing Joke? ⚡ Post-punk is alive and well these days, you gotta look deeper underground! Greetings from 厦门 😎
wow 厦门! beautiful place!
Antisistemicity is a foundation of punk. As Sex Pistols was not a independent band, so one cannot treat them as antisitemic and so not as a punk. Sorry... "Money, money, money, always funny...".
That's a tight call, and I can't disagree.
I want to, but on technical terms, I'm not able too.
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I may have missed it but you didn't mention Killing Joke and SDC/DC/Cult. Also the very powerful Leeds goth scene.
I'm not sure either. Watch it like ten or twenty more times please, and get your friends to verify it by the same method. Then report back.
;)
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Dont forget The mekons Boris
Out of all of the PP revival bands mentioned, my favorites are Shame and Parquet Courts. I've had the chance to see both live here in San Francisco, and they're great!
And I'm thoroughly jealous! SF has a thriving music scene. I'm glad you are able to take advantage of it.
Have a great weekend, and enjoy a Happy Halloween.
PIL, my favourite band of all time. I love The Cure's pornography album
Fascinante video sobre o Post punk ...
Parabéns pelo seu trabalho excelente ! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Novo ✍️ aqui ...
Tenha um ótimo dia !
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obrigada!!
If I'm honest , i went into this with total disdain....oh, she wasnt there ! What could she possibly know?? Contempt prior to investigation is not one of my best personality traits! I would like to compliment you on a GREAT JOB!! You covered this with way more depth than I expected!! There are people who listen to music and peopole who have music touch thier soul...I can see you are the later of the two! Congratulations on a great job!! Looking forward to seeing some more of your work!!
*phew*
I do see a number of comments that go in the other direction. While I understand that I wasn't in the room 30± years ago I do still love and enjoy the scene. A number of people struggle with seeing the genre names change as the narrative changes and I do understand that 'trauma'
Anyways, I'm genuinely really pleased you enjoyed the video, and I really hope you enjoy some more.
Thank you very much for taking the time to reply with thoughtfulness & kindness, its well received and greatly appreciated.
Have a great day!
Hello stellar Stella! excellent and complete video! It's fantastic how all these bands that were nourished by a lot of music had no desire for retromania but to go forward creating that unique sensitivity!! a band that I love is The Laughing Clowns. I congratulate you for your channel, I hope the subscribers increase, since your contribution is valuable! greetings from Argentina as always and have a great weekend!
I am glad you pointed this out, and we are of the same mind about this video.
Thank you for the kind words!! :)
Yes, Laughing Clowns were a truly great band, unfortunately very little known outside Australia.
Finally someone giving a shoutout to two of my favorite bands: The Chameleons and The Sound
They're both very worthy of a shoutout!
I'm glad you appreciated.
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Thanks Stella! Yes to NO-WAVE video...
A well noted suggestion!
Thank you for taking the time to reply with an encouraging and kind comment.
HAve a great day, weekend, and if you enjoy Halloween, Happy Halloween too!
Delta 5 was a companion band to the Gang of Four. They both were from Leeds. Delta 5 also incorporated Funk with their Punk. They were unique due to having three female bases along with a male guitarist and a male drummer.
Thanks for mentioning them!! I didn't get to include the band, should have!
i just learned about them while waiting aroound at a peter hook show for the main event. got there way too early, and the venu was just playing random post punk tracks. suprised id never heard of em.
Yes I remember them, think I saw them at the Lyceum!! 👍🏼
@@Pinerocks, I would have loved to have that opportunity. Of all the Leeds bands that existed Gang of Four and Delta 5 were my favourites .
@@khambrelgreen Gang of 4 were on the bill too!!
Uh, I dunno. I'm only guessing....
lol
have a great weekend
@@StellasEncounter Haha, I'm just being a "fucka"; not "trolling" (much). Cheers!~
So I’ve been waiting to watch this since post-punk is one of my all-time favorite genres, and you did not disappoint. You covered the main territory well and took care to mention groups like Magazine and Durutti Column and the Chameleons. Dave Allen from Gang of Four once dj’ed a Paint and Copter show and I was in heaven looking through his classic records. He had a band called Shrieckback who were pretty interesting. I would also check out Section 25, Comsat Angels, Altered Images, Savages, and early Simple Minds.
I had no idea there was/is a post-punk scene in China, but given it’s enduring influence I’m not surprised. There’s even a fair amount of it in my own band’s music currently.
Three last things, your visuals were really great in this video, you still buy cd’s (like me), and now I know why you are named Stella! I love that album too. Thank you Miss Stella.
Thanks for watching! This post-punk vid is frankly among my favs I've made! Just the audio wasn't great.
Cool that you know Dave Allen!! Gang of Four toured in China in late 2019, shortly before Andy Gill died. There were speculations that he actually caught corona?
I'd say most chinese alternative lovers grew up listening to 70s/80s post-punk, and 80s/90s alt-rock. The Cure, Joy Division, Nirvana, Sonic Youth! So when they formed bands, the influence is plausible.
There are a few notable omissions - for example, The Cocteau Twins and This Mortal Coil.
Will Heggie's bass playing on the first Cocteau Twins album definitely made that album very post-punk. His bass playing in the band Lowlife was some of the best post-punk as well with notable songs like 'Colours Blue,' and 'Ramified.'
Well done Ms Stella.Gang Of Four and Siouxsie were so intense live.Buzzcocks were just pure fun.Arri Up was just fucking hilarious.I think I'll have my four rescue cats form a neo-Meowist punk/funk band named Gang Of Fur.
And with that last line, you win the internet today!!
Thanks for the kind (and rib tickling) reply, enjoy the rest of your weekend!
Shriekback deserve an honourable mention! Or maybe a vid if their own…
That's a good call! I'll keep them in mind for a best of.
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Wire?
Very Nice. If you're at all curious about West Coast (US) "post punk" from the early eighties, you might try some Minutemen ("The Fascist" or "Paranoid Chant"), Saccharine Trust ("I Am Right" or "We Don't Need Freedom" from Kurt Cobain's 9th favorite LP), Middle Class ("Restless Young Men." "Out of My Hands" or "Blueprint for Joy" from Scavenged Luxury or Homeland.) Kommunity FK ("Something Inside Me Has Died" from Close one Sad Eye. and anything by Gun Club, Flesheaters. Voodoo Church, Super Heroines, Mnemonic Devices... and others.
This is a great list of suggestions, I will be exploring them all.
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If you are into post punk you should really listen to
Pink turns blue (especially the last 5 albums)
&
The band:
For Against. The lp Echelons is a banger.
And aldo the band Ro-robot, but those records are hard to find. I was so lucky to see them live and found the records.
Excellent Post-Punk retrospective, my favorites and my friends' favorites were certainly mentioned; I forever will love Joy Division/New Order, Killing Joke, The Cure. . . (I could go on).
Obstacle 1 amazed me when it came out, originally a "guilty pleasure" as I was being a closed minded teen, but I caught up with Interpol a few years later after Antics and realized I was missing out; they continue to be one of my favorite bands, they have a sound and mood which is truly their own. Fun fact, I named my cat Stella after the song haha. Anyhow, thanks for the great recommendations, I will definitely watch the No Wave video as well
Stella is saying hello to your stella!!! Thanks for watching, i hope you enjoy the channel!
So... you DID mention Art-Punk... Post-Punk bands who were Post-Punk before Post-Punk.Television, Pere Ubu, Suicide, Talking heads, devo, Wipers, Lydia lunch, Siouxsie, Wire, Slits, ... thank you.
I love your video. I'm a huge Post Punk fanatic and enjoy hearing your enthusiasm about some of my favorite music. The fact you like John McGeoch made me smile. He was brilliant.
I couldn't agree more.
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HMLTD put out a great post punk album in 2020. Whole album is solid, but "Loaded" and "Nobody Stays In Love" are absolute bangers.
Hi Stella, what a fantastic video. You are creating a valuable archive that highlights significant and diverse music and sound exploration deserving the attention you have given. PiL's 'Metal Box' album is an outright masterpiece, very much influenced by the spaces and rhythms in dub reggae that you mentioned. Both Joy Division albums are also post punk classics and the excellent doco 'Joy Division' from a few years ago explores how entwined the band's music was with the edgy, futuristic vibe of late 1970s Manchester. Producer Martin Hannett played a big role in creating those incredible soundscapes on both Joy Division albums. Your take on The Cure is spot on. I'm not sure that band has been given enough credit for bringing to mainstream audiences all they had absorbed from post-punk music. Their 1989 album 'Disintegration' is a major achievement in that regard. The Fall are also great and famous DJ John Peel said The Fall were always different but always the same! So good you mentioned Wire and The Slits as big influences on many cool bands in 80s and 90s like Sonic Youth who were into all that punk rock had to offer and were regarded as totally important by groups like the wonderful Pavement! Some US post punk bands like Pere Ubu were also labelled as playing 'avant garage'. I really like Pere Ubu' s 1978 album 'Dub Housing' and they are also great live. Also nice mention of No Wave that took post punk to the outer limits and is totally worth its own video. Happy to provide some recs if you decide to do it! In any case, the video is so good and wanted to mention another Australian band The Laughing Clowns who are definitely worth exploring. Your sound bites covered so many amazing bands. See previous contact comment for a better chat and recommendations.
Thanks for your comment! Good shout regarding producer Martin Hannet! The Cure are a bit like R.E.M., alternative band achieving mainstream success! It's interesting cuz R.E.M.'s success makes more sense for sure - they are more normal and adult-like. The Cure as a teen angst goth outfit with subculture image having mainstream success is just fascinating lol. Thanks for mentiong The Laughing Clowns, I didn't know them. I'd check out later. You can join my discord community for music chat/recs!
Hi Stella, thanks for replying. The Cure appealed to a generation of disaffected youth from numerous subcultures as did Kurt Cobain a decade later. Robert Smith was very clever at being able to conjure dark intensity on albums like 'Faith' and 'Pornography' but then turn out boppy pop songs like 'The Love Cats'. The 1992 'Wish' album (soon to be reissued) has 'Friday I'm in Love' a really catchy tune that everybody knows but also the emotionally fragile 'A letter to Elise'. Robert Smith has a particular talent for creating broad appeal and that's a pretty cool achievement. It is interesting to compare him with someone like Elliot Smith who deserved major recognition but would never have felt comfortable compromising his art in any way (not that I'm suggesting Robert Smith ever has!) I also want to mention an outstanding post punk song tinged with New York no wave and that is Yoko Ono's 'Walking on Thin Ice', one of the great songs of the 1980s. In fact you could argue her 'Plastic Ono Band' album from 1970 is a post-punk masterpiece well ahead of its time! You are very knowledgeable about all this stuff and would be great to engage in a longer form discussion about important art via email.
@@danielbigna5469 Hi Daniel, I'm happy to chat about music with people all over the world but I find the time to chat 1-1 challenging as many things including discord are taking my time. I hope that's okay! I appreciate your well-written thoughtful comments and I can tell you're a great writer. Thank you for the support and watching my videos! :)
@@StellasEncounter Hi Stella, thanks for replying. It's just cool to be able to respond at all about this stuff even if it just happens to be on a major public forum! It is worth taking the time to comment on your videos because your reviews are well researched and entertaining and your taste is quite similar to mine. Your latest Japanese music vid is really good and there is a lot of fantastic Japanese music out there stretching back to the late 1960s, although a lot of it is hard to find particularly in Australia where I am. Les Rallizes Denudes was an excellent starting point and I will comment more at the actual video!
@@danielbigna5469 Thank you for understanding. I have quite some replies accumulating sometimes I miss one or two. I'm quite surprised to find that people seem to know a lot about Japanese rock bands, certainly more than chinese rock bands :) I'd love to do a video about Australian bands too!
Fontaines DC. Irish post-punk. Highly recommended.
I love a little Irish!
They have the craic down!
Have a great day, a great weekend, and if you enjoy some Halloween silliness, Happy Halloween too!
The sound is probably the best post punk band
There is Brazilian post punk bands. Harry, Smack, Nao Wave compilations
Did I forget Tappi Tikarrass "Miranda" the first band of Bjork from 1983. Please answer to me if you have for the list and what you think about it. Have a nice day
I'm a bit disapointed you don't want to talk to me by email. Nevers mind. Do as you please. By thé way to me thé first really dark, gloomy sound, pre-post punk IS thé bridge of "I want you" by the Beatles
Editors The Back Room Japanese Extra Tracks Edition is arguably the best post punk album ever made. The song Colors/ Colours is simply amazing. In second place would be Interpol Turn On The Bright Lights in the Post Punk World Cup.
I would love to see you do a feature of Killing Joke! Mentioned briefly here, but well worth exploring. Cheers!
Cocteau Twins, X-Mal Deutschland, Theatre of Hate, Southern Death Cult, All deserve a mention. Thank you.
That's so cool to find out she chose her English name based on the Interpol song! Great taste!
hahaha, thank you!! And thanks for watching!
Start your own band, and go SK8...Stay Gold 🍻
Start a band tomorrow! DO IT!!!!
You should check out Heart of Darkness by Positive Noise if you haven't. Brilliant album. Dw you can thank me later :) :) :)
PIL /Joy Division / Devo / the English Beat / the Cult / Slayer / Pantera / white zombie / the Ramones / the Smiths / echo & the bunny men / siouxie & the banshees / the Glove ( if you don’t know this band they are amazing and should have been more popular Robert Smith and Steve Sevrine are this band ) is music I grew up on and love listening to todayI was kinda lucky that I grew up in Southern California as we had great music available on the Radio …KROQ 106.7 , 91X 91.1 and KSPC 87.7 were amazing sources for great music , I still listen to the last 2 every time I am in the car ….. 87.7 KSPC is still serving up awesome new music …….
I"m glad radio still exists, I know the failures and flaws that are often discussed, but I think its quaint that its still soldiers on. It has its own charm.
Thanks for taking the kind time to reply. Its well appreciated!.
I love your videos but one thing that drives me crazy in the modern era is when the original punk rock bands are called everything BUT punk rock.
Three scenes: NYC, Detroit and Cleveland/ Akron OH is ground zero for punk rock.
The Stooges, The MC5, Devo,Tin Huey/The Waitresses,Rubber City Rebels,Pere Ubu, Suicide,Jack Ruby, The Ramones, Television, Blondie, Talking Heads, Patti Smith Group…and so many more were the first punk bands…then Malcolm Mclaren caught a Ramones show, went back to the UK and tried to figure out how to turn it into money.
Congratulations on this very interesting and very complete video! You are funny and very pretty which makes this video even more enjoyable! Long live to the Chameleons, Sad Lovers and Giants and Oingo Boingo some of my favourite Post Punk bands.
Modern post punk band...Soft Kill, Soft Kill, Soft Kill.
this was so much fun, i felt attacked by the influences section, apparently i'm a post punk stereotype, you mentioned half my favorites! lol how's your band coming along? i love your accent so you can do vocals on a track for me if you like? keep up the good work!
Lots of funny in here, thank you!
Have a great day brother!
Really good summary. I grew up a few years later in the US and saw these sounds develop further with releases from record labels like SST, Dischord, Homestead and Shimmy Disc and Gen X bands like Mission of Burma, Fugazi, The Replacements, Husker Du, The Minutemen, Sonic Youth, Bongwater, Meat Puppets etc. Lots of great music followed into the mid and late eighties.
I'm very tempted to start a series on labels.
Thank you for your suggestions they are well received.
I hope you had a good weekend, and have a great day!
@@StellasEncounter If you want to do a show on labels, you'll perhaps get some inspiration from the episodes on independent labels by "Beyond ARTV" (your work is much better than his) and the many videos on RUclips in which people in the music industry explain how record labels work and why artists might want to go with independent labels and how to run an independent label. You could start with Chess Records and Sun Records (extremely important in the history of Rock and Roll and two of the first independent labels). You might want to read mention how The Ventures (out of Seattle/Tacoma, Washington) formed their own label to sell their music, and so did Dick Dale (Deltone Records). Labels like I.R.S., Discord, Alternative Tentacles (check out their obscenity trial for "Frankenchrist"), Sub Pop, SST, and Matador are important American indie labels. In the UK, you would probably explore Crass, Rough Trade, Go! Discs, Postcard, Factory Records, Mute Records, Beggars Banquet, 4AD, and Stiff Records. It's a great topic!
Please check Vertical Patrols out of San Diego, CA.
I wish I had seen The Durutti Column live. I can't remember how many times I've seen The Cure live.
Well, now I'll be listening to either The Cure's Carnage Visors or The Glove's Blue Sunshine. Or I could do both. Though, not at the same time.
Thank you, Stella!
Magazine! The Chameleons! Also glad to see comments mentioning The Sound. Fun fact, the Cure toured with the Banshees early on as their opening act, and Robert Smith took over when their guitarist left, so playing two sets every night. Check out The Glove, an amazing collaboration between Smith and the Banshees’ Steven Severin, making just one, great album. Other fun fact, Ari Up from the slits was John Lydon’s stepdaughter.
I saw Re-TROS play in NYC several years back!
"Like an Animal" by The Glove is one of my favorites, and "A Blues in Drag" is one of my favorite instrumentals. "Punish Me With Kisses" is another classic. So glad you mentioned The Glove.
Really?? How was it??
@@StellasEncounter Really good! There was a show with three bands. One of the other ones was called Carsick Cars. Re-TROS really reminded me of the post-punk bands I’ve been listening to since I was a teenager, especially Bauhaus & Joy Division. Would love to hear more recommendations for music like this from China!
Haha thanks for telling your story!! I made several videos about chinese rock in my channel, you can check out if interested. They also mentioned Carsick Cars.
For a great modern post punk band, there’s Fontaines DC.
Your video came out around the same time they announced Jerry Lee Lewis’ death. Coincidence?
Yeh, probably. That’s what coincidences are.
My release times and dates are (according to some) "annoyingly flexible".
So yeah, I didn't plan either event.
I'm sad we lost JLL, he was massive talent and influence. When I get time, I'll try to do a respectful treatment.
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post punk is great!
I agree!!!
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There’s a lot of new postpunk around. I like Fontaines DC, Eagulls and Girls in Synthesis. Also, there is a great new London Punk scene 2017 up to now with bands like Dad, Pussyliquor, Sewer Trench and my personal favourite, which has become an alltime favourite: Poisonous Cxnt. Even if those are more hardcore, CHECK THEM OUT!
My next worst band names video has new entries on your suggestions,
hahahaha - pussy liquor - hahahahaha
Thanbks for the reply and suggestions, I will check them out.
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Cocteau Twins ,Comsat Angels,Big Black, Gang of four....?????
I have mentioned them all, but not all in this video.
My Cocteau Twins video seemed to be well received, I hope you can find the time to have a look.
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Magazine ( howard devoto)!!
John Lydon not Lyndon!
lol, i actually did kow this, my apologies for mis-pronouncing for the entire video.
Another great video, thanks! My favourite Post Punk band would probably be Bauhaus. And Interpol are amazing live! Stella! NY no wave video please :) I think you could have included Foals, and Fontaines D.C. in your video, as new Post-Punk style bands from the U.K.
the durutti column ftw! wonderful video as always, thanks for sharing!
editing my comment because I'm so happy you mentioned hiperson! I love them!
didn't expect people actually know Hiperson much, awesome!! Thanks for watching. Love Durutti Column! :D
Yes, Hiperson is possibly my favorite band from the part of China controlled by the authorities in Beijing. I have no idea whether they are popular in Asia: my Taiwanese family and friends have never heard of them. They have a presence on BandCamp and Apple Music, so here in North America we can get their music, but are they popular back home in the Mainland? Their lyrics seem sort of political and critical of things going on, but maybe the words are obscure enough that they are tolerated? It is super difficult to learn about good Chinese music here. You've done three wonderful episodes on Chinese Rock history, so if you ever do a series on Post-punk in China, or shoegaze and dream pop in China (which seem to be very popular and to have never gone out of fashion?) your lessons would be eagerly attended by those of us who want to know more of what is going on over there in the real of underground and independent or alternative music.
I have to mention one of the greatest Post-Punk albums ever made…
ruclips.net/p/PLiMAkjqsDYt75iKq9L-Scm0bdRFUCZxco
And, not because of “I Melt with You”, which I usually skip cos it’s so overplayed.
The creativity and atmosphere of the songs on this album are fantastic.
I love their first album "Mesh & Lace".
Post Brexit new wave? TV Priest, get them in your ears
I miss mark e. Smith of the fall. Truly one of a kind
shout out to one of the most underrated bands ever, The Chameleons!
Ok. I'll start a band with you.
My recommendations: "Mesh & Lace" by Modern English, "Pindrop" by The Passage, "Sound-On-Sound" by Bill Nelson's Red Noise and the Cherry Red box sets "To The Outside Of Everything" and "Optimism / Reject".
Thanks for the recommendations, they're always well appreciated, I'll check them out as soon as I am able.
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Another excellent video. What I like most is that I learn stuff from your channel.
Glad to hear it!
I'm sadly old enough to have lived through those times in the UK lol. I saw many of those bands back in the day. I don't remember ever hearing the name Post - Punk at the time. I didn't hear it until the 2000's. Some of the weekly music papers had Alternative or Independent charts so I guess we called it that but it wasn't a big thing. Those terms came to mean something different later on.
This was my adolescence.
Hi Stella 👋 - Interpol readily admit to being heavily influenced by The Chameleons & Joy Division ➗️. They are a great band indeed. Siouxsie & The Cure are favorites .. Wish I had seen Siouxsie when Robert was briefly a Banshee. Happy Halloween 🎃 Stella ! Stay awesome 👌
Yeah Interpol just basically straight up copied the chameleons
Thank you! Same wishes to you!! :)