Hello All! Just wanted to correct something. In the video I state that the first Public Image album came out in 1979 when it in fact came out in 1978. I actually had it correct in my notes but must have misspoke. Metal Box did come out in 1979 however so that is correct.
It might also be important to mention Pere Ubu was releasing singles in 1975-three years before their first album. Very influential pre-punk post punk.
@@PK-gi2qhExactly! How are you going to bring up U2 and not mention Echo and the Bunnymen, the band that U2 actually copied the most in their early days.
So many GREAT Bands, it's hard to pick one: The Stranglers, Go Betweens, Magazine, XTC, Joy Division etc.... etc..... The one band that brought it all together for me was ECHO AND THE BUNNYMEN.
Love this video! My only thing is, I just wish people talked more about The Damned and their impact in both the OG punk and goth/postpunk scene, not to mention Dave Vanian’s influence on goth fashion. They really helped create the bridge between punk and goth alongside and even before bands like Bauhaus. I think they’ve had one of the most musically diverse careers from 1976 to 1986 and I hope you’ll cover them in a future video! 💜
The Damned are revered. this fella did a great job in this vid, but yeh The Damned was missed. They are in the canon in the Throne Room of the Punk Gods.
Great video. A couple of bands I was surprised to see overlooked were Specimen and Alien Sex Fiend who were both huge parts of starting the Bat Cave, whats known as the first goth club. Interesting thing I learned from Trash Theory's recent video about New Order (also a great watch) is that Bono offered to replaced Ian Curtis in Joy Division. But New Order wanted to start something completely different out of respect to Curtis
Yea I would love to cover them if I do a full video on Goth! I’m glad you brought up the Trash Theory video since I just watched it the other day 😂 I can’t imagine New Order fronted by Bono. I think both U2 and New Order benefitted from not having him in the group (By that I mean we got two awesome groups and great albums instead of just one)
Siouxsie(1st band I saw live 1978) Joy Division(saw them 4 times 79/80) & the Smiths 😂 good but they were what was called in the uk as Indi same way as Flock of Seagulls/ orange juice etc you mentioning the Smiths is really funny
By far the best Post Punk and maybe the most influential band was Killing Joke. Funnily enough the individual members were probably more Punk in their attitudes and day to day lives than any Punk band before them. RIP Raven and Geordie.
@@MrEwancThey also released their best album later in their career, 2003's crushing, masterful, self titled album. And even Jaz Coleman himself believes this.
The influence of Reggae in Punk can be traced back to one man - Don Letts ☝🏽 He was part of the Punk scene, was the videographer for The Clash. But also DJ’d the Reggae sound systems in South London. Punk was always upbeat, but when they wanted something to “chill” to, they’d listen to Reggae. This gave rise to Two Tone & Ska-Punk
Fon let's was originally the DJ at first punk club the Roxy he used to play Reggae because until the Damned released New Rose single there was any punk records & Bob Marley was big punk fan hens song Punky Reggae Party
my favourite post punk band is killing joke but I also love the smiths, the cure, bauhaus, joy division, the talking heads and half man half biscuit (most underrated band of all time)
@@JukeboxHistory Watch out or HMHB will put you "In a Suffolk Ditch". That's their most recent release, but If you love Eno, you'll get a laugh out or their "Eno Collaboration." Good video.
Watch 24 Hour Party People, great film about the rise of music in Manchester from the gig from the Pistols to the story of Joy Division and the rise of rave culture.
Really enjoyed this. Thank you for mentioning The Slits. The connection between punk and reggae are often overlooked, but it's critical. My favorite modern day post punk band is Home Front on LA VIDA ES UN MUS.
goth and post punk is just so fun and eclectic. it definitely one of my personal favorite genres and on top of that it’s also super influential for a ton of bands. so glad that this umbrella of genres still has longevity in the current day
The year of punk. 'Music is moving fast but there is one band that is ahead of the game the Stranglers. After the Sex Pistols they are the highest selling band in punk. It’s a scene they have an awkward relationship with as they have their own sound - a genuinely aggressive and totally original take on the form and oddly they never seem to get any credit for it. They are now about to invent post punk. The Stranglers are in Bear Shank Lodge in the snowbound Northants countryside writing songs for the third album. Their work ethic is astonishing. They have already released two two of the best selling albums over the last year and they are one of the biggest bands in the country. They have also been ostracised by the press who claim they are too old - despite the Clash front man Joe Strummer having two years on their bassist, JJ Burnel. They are the surly outsiders who gate crashed the party and instantly made a connection with Britain’s musically disaffected teens. The ‘experts’ had tried to deny their presence but the band were genuinely breaking all the rules and were getting the utmost respect for it from the new generation. They also had the sound, the songs and the look. They would become as influential as the Pistols or the Clash and paved the way for bands as diverse as Joy Division, the La’s or even the Stone Roses as well as signposting goth and , arguably, the ‘Black and White’ album they were working on that December was released in 1978 becoming the first post punk album. These days post punk has been re-examined and re-evaluated with certain bands like the Gang Of Four getting suddenly elevated to godlike status with new bands who sound nothing like them - it’s sometimes good to look back and see who got in there first. This was 1978 remember, punk was staggering and there was nothing else seemingly coming through. Joy Division were still in a formative stage, Public Image’s ‘Metal Box’ was not yet released it was the Stranglers that were leading the way. While bands like Wire and Joy Division rightly get credit for taking punk into new areas it seems strange that the Stranglers. who were a far bigger and, in real terms, a far more influential band get left out of all the histories'. John Robb
Alive at the time. We had post-punk before we even knew we had punk. That is to say, that what came to be called post-punk drew on influences that pre-dated punk or were already there in punk (but just didn't get that much commercial attention). Everything seemed so much more interesting than things are now. It was like the more things were repressed, suppressed, ignored, reviled, the more interesting the world actually was. You could even go back to the Residents as proto-post-punk, well before there was punk. I could really get into bands that tried to do more commercially--Wire, Gang of Four, Comsat Angels, the Sound, the Chameleons, the Pixies, and Fugazi.
Post-punk is an arbitrary term, because you can go and listen to Brian Eno's Third Uncle from 1974 and Leejol by Red Krayola from 1968 and they both sound like bands like Gang of Four and Bauhaus were doing in the late 70s
Some reasons for punk and reggae connections is Don Letts. He was a DJ and the Clash’s videographer. He spun a lot of reggae records at clubs a lot of the punks went to. You also have skinhead culture coming from Jamaica being absorbed by punks and influencing oi and ska genres.
Ska, Rocksteady and early Reggae were already in England for nearly 10 years when the Clash formed, and many of those songs were hugely popular on the charts. One of Clash members was from Brixton where that scene was especially potent. Joe Strummer saw The Specials early on (formed about the same time as The Clash) and was hooked. The Specials were two tone ska that incorporated some punk into their sound. The Specials then opened for The Clash at some shows. I think those elements came before Don Letts.
I think people get quite confused with what post punk means and what albums are post punk but it’s important to bare in mind that nobody really knows what it means. The name post punk wasn’t made by some genius, it became popular through a huge group of people. So there’s going to be a lot of times where that group has named something post punk but it doesn’t fit in with the rest. Like it’s confusing because people have there opinions on what album is what genre. for example remain in light by talking heads is labelled as post punk but a lot of people might disagree with that because it’s not punk enough. So it’s important to not analyse it as a science and just use post punk as a loose guide because post punk is quite meaningless tbh. Not saying this video did that, it was a very good video. 👍
Two areas that were not addressed is the proto-Industrial stuff (Suicide, Throbbing Gristle, Gary Numan, etc...) and what I refer to as 2nd wave Krautrock (Einstuzende Neubauten, Malaria, etc...).
Killing Joke & Bauhaus are Peak Post Punk..🔥 those 2 bands are your favorite band's favorite bands. ...and Yes of course, Bowie's LOW & iggy's IDIOT are Major highlights❤
One other reason for the attraction of punks in the UK to reggae music was because a lot of them had been young adolescents during the skinhead/suedehead/rude boy style cult era of the early 70s. These working class white kids listened almost exclusively to massive amounts of rocksteady and reggae from labels like Trojan, Studio One, and Blue Beat, and a lot of them went onto the punk scene half a decade later with reggae music already in their DNA. A great example is Don Letts, who had been a black skinhead in the early 70s (at this time skinhead ≠ neonazi), then during the punk era became the house DJ at The Roxy and was sort of a reggae liaison and tastemaker who produced for The Clash, and then by the post punk era played in both PIL and Big Audio Dynamite. Probably one of the most influential people you never heard of. Aaaaand now I’m a thousand miles away from what I meant to talk about.
Pre-Bela Lugosi's Dead..."Ghost Rider" by Suicide. It's certainly not as evolved but the ambience and reverb are heavy. There's a slower, less defined version that seems like a super early "goth" track.
Great video! I'm surprised this isn't bigger than it is. It's well-researched and nicely summarizes and contextualizes a lot of connections I had made on my own. Funny story: I listened to U2 a lot in the early 2010s, having stolen my mom's greatest hits CD. I became thoroughly obsessed and collected all their early albums. Circa 2020 I got very into post-punk and goth, so imagine my shock when the lightbulb turned on and I realized that U2's first three albums were straight-ahead post-punk (albeit with the characteristic U2 flourishes of uncertain Christianity and political idealism). Also, maybe you talked about it in your previous video (which I haven't watched yet), but the Clash's London Calling feels like a very post-punk album to me. Sure, there's some straight-ahead punk, but also a lot more experimentation with different genres, classic post-punk nervous introspection on tracks like Lost in the Supermarket, and of course the title track's very foreboding tone and lyrics. I'm open to debate on this point, though.
Awesome work Mate, I grew up in a tiny town in NZ and love the fact that I was the first in that town to have Unknown Pleasures, had to import it as no record stores would stock it, including The Fall, Gang of Four, Wire and Clock DVA. The Birthday Party were also massive and "Sonnys Burning" (Bad Seeds) was why I bought drums with lawn mowing money at 13, Excellent video will tune in to more, and keep bringing more wise council to those whom may not realise these bands spawned some of what they listen to today, Cheers
That’s some dedication! Really cool that you worked so hard to listen to this music that wasn’t readily available. In the age of streaming we definitely take this stuff for granted but you can’t beat waiting forever to actually listen to an album and it delivering. Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻
I started dipping my toes into post punk (I don’t remember ever calling it that) around 1981 and didn’t live in a big city so I was surprised that you caught a couple of early bands I never heard of. The first couple of sources were very dude-centric so the section on women was especially welcome. I remember The Slits but don’t know The Raincoats and Young Marble Giants. Yay for more music to get into from my favorite genre, thanks. Oh and yes, U2 absolutely started out in this genre. They haven’t always been bloated megalomaniacs. They didn’t truly hit mainstream til The Joshua Tree.
During the height of the pandemic, my mind got captured by Durutti Column. Something about the ways some of the music painted a picture really transfixed my imagination. I bought as many albums as I could find. Good video.👍.
Certainly the best bands that crawled out of the punk movement and went on to influence the bands that entirely changed the landscape of music in the late 80s and early 90s are worth mentioning youd think?? Where is the mention of Husker Du and the Minutemen and Replacements?
Ok, 1st I wanna say really great job hitting most of the great notes of bands from the Post-Punk era. I use to know and hang out with members of Pere Ubu, who are from my hometown, as well as with Siouxsie Sioux and Budgie, Cocteau Twins, members of Bauhaus/Tones On Tail/Love & Rockets, and Gary Numan. Others that I would've place as important bands that either were Post-Punk or started as Post-Punk are Orchestral Maneuvers In The Dark, John Foxx era Ultravox, Tubeway Army (Gary Numan's band), Dead Can Dance (and not just because my voice can be heard on one of their live albums), Killing Joke, and my all-time favorite band, Cocteau Twins (who I would've added to the Gothic list for their 1st album, Garlands). Having said that, you did an awesome job. And big-time kudos for referencing Pere Ubu.
Oh wow that’s really cool! Cocteau Twins are fantastic and I actually did an early video on them that I’ve since taken down. Dead Can Dance are also such an interesting group and I’d like to give them their own video at some point. Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching 🤠
I got into post punk because of The Police. People think of them as solidly new wave with their blending of punk and reggae influences and their catchier hits, but beyond the singles much of their stuff has that moody, ambivalent quality that made post punk so compelling. U2's "Boy" also helped me figure out what I liked musically so it's great to see it given its due in a post punk context here. The Cure and Depeche Mode helped too, but what really got me consciously exploring post punk was one of the new revival bands, Thus Love - I recommend their album "Memorial". But if there's one post punk band I want everyone to hear, it's The Sound, who heartbreakingly never got their due while singer/songwriter/guitarist Adrian Borland was alive. They appeal to the part of my brain that loves both the darker Police stuff and that band's tight musicianship and reggse influences, but they never found lasting fame in their native UK or the US. This month there's a book out about Borland and a bunch of other retrospective work going on, so it's a bit easier to find their music on CD, vinyl and mp3 than it was for many years, and I hope this leads to more people discovering them. Try 1981 album "From The Lion's Mouth"; I don't think you will be disappointed.
I was in college during this era loved Joy Division, The Smiths, The Slits, The Cure, and Souxie & the Banchees, and yes to U2-the War album especially, but what about Adam and the Ants?
He’s such a good writer. I appreciate how he’s able to write about these artists with an objective lens. He doesn’t excuse a lot of the *cough* “creative” choices they made early on. I was back and forth on including some of that in this video but decided to leave it to the music. Thanks for watching!
I agree about the Sisters of Mercy. They are one of the core goth bands, though they started in 1980, a couple of years after the other big names. A massive influence on all later gothic rock.
@@samstevenson5328id disagree and say Siouxsie and the Banshees were the beatles of post punk because then in the 80s they had a catalog that shifted from just core post punk and expanded it to psychedelic/alternative rock
@@Simtria Actually I take back what I said about Joy Division, it’s really The Cure at the end of the day. Both Siouxsie & The Banshees and Joy Division follow in hot pursuit!
@@samstevenson5328 I disagree with the cure sentiment because the band had their big change after robert joined banshees in 79 and had a creative boom but after rejoining and leaving in 84 he took a lot of banshees esc elements with him but curified them
Really difficult topic to try to cover (you will always leave out something - Killing Joke, Echo and the Bunnymen, etc.) but you did a really good job of including most major influences. Good call on including U2 - they were totally post-punk. Boy and October were absolute classics. When I was in college, Boy had just released and U2 was going to be booked at a local bar. Unfortunately, the bar refused to pay the $500 U2 was asking for the gig.
Can’t wait to see you videos on new wave and hardcore punk. Great job on this video. What a fantastic and innovative time for music. I was born in 1980 and the 90’s were my teen years but I really love this era right before I was born.
It’s such a good era of music. It seems like a lot of the groups in the 90’s took after this era too so I don’t think you’re alone! Thanks for watching
Fantastic work my friend! I wanted to write you off as an American but you NAILED the history my brother! You may need to research Don Letts on the reggae and ska influence on punk 😎
I've heard this boring old story for the last 40 years...as Ferry sang; the same old scene... well, people don't have new things to tell... Magazine's real life album and the pop group's Y are wonderful... besides Blurt, rema rema and the passage, and don't forget Get smart! And Stockholm Monsters.. and from France Martin Dupont .. Norma Loy .... Little Nemo ... Im so tired ... Sad lovers and giants... And the Necro Nerds. Tuxedomoon.... Grauzone.... Ríp rig and panic... The wake... Im so boring and tired about this subject .. post punk.... Listen A certain Ratio .. Pere Ubu... Fad Gadget...the screamers.. 45 grave...you know what forget It.. just go and listen hall & oates. And then Lords of the new church.
Robert Smith praised Siouxsie and the Banshees' first album The Scream, Kaleidoscope, A Kiss in the Dreamhouse - and besides the Cure opening for Siouxsie in "the early days", Smith has spoken of his Siouxsie and the Banshees' influence on him. Morrissey said, "None of them are as good as Siouxsie and the Banshees at full pelt. That's not dusty nostalgia, that's fact". (1994) The Edge said the reason Bono sounded like a girl on the first two U2 LPs was the great influence of Siouxsie and the Banshees on U2. Fortunately, Siouxsie and the Banshees never got "stuck" as punks or in Goth or any other genre - they are a genre all their own (like The Beatles).
As an old fart of long standing and a music fan of even longer, I would like to congratulate you on a thoughtful, interesting and idiosyncratic video. As a Brit my interest was always more towards the homegrown talent...Television notwithstanding, but you left out a few I would have liked to seen in there...Elvis Costello for the immediate post punk genre, he tends to be lumped in with the new wave, despite having more ideas and talent than the whole of the new wave combined... The Jam, and possibly Blondie sit somewhere in the middle of the whole sorry affair, and The Sisters of Mercy for the tail end of the deal. I have subscribed to the channel and look forwards to more thoughtful, thought provoking material.
Dude... u2 is the first band I've started being a fan. What a great surprise seeing them in the video. And rule 1 for being a goth: you gotta always say you're not a goth. lol Nice video, man!
To not even mention Echo & the Bunnymen in this video is a crime as they are the quintessential example of Post Punk. Joy Division, yes Souxie, yes, Wire, ok... But no Bunnymen? Or Killing Joke for that matter...wtf?
When is punk not punk? Garage rock with its simple but often attractive melodies morphed into punk which had more edge and often satire like the Dickies and the Slits. Move on and we have Green Day with a bigger sound and more message to the music. What did Billy Joel say…It’s still rock and roll to me..
I want to say that this is the most in depth and well made video on the history of post-punk on RUclips. I know at this stage of your RUclips career it’s gonna be hard to finish this series. From the bottom of my heart please do not stop making videos, you have a talent that few do. Love ya man and stay handsome!
"Post Punk". Hmm. I don't think I've ever really thought about that phrase much. To me personally it would probably mean something like Bauhaus or The Smiths maybe. Something early 80's but was influenced by punk.
I'm 57 and, even if I was a "prog maniac" in the "end of the 70" /" begining of the 80", my week-end evening during tyhis time was to go to the goth bar of my little town in Québec (Saint-Hyacinthe) and dance on The Cure, Bauhaus, The Smith, PIL, Siouxies and the Banshees, Psychedelic furs or some etectro-goth hybrid like Skinny Puppy. Those were my best friday and saturday's evening of my life!
Nice! My club (all ages) was Numbers in Houston, playing all the artists you mentioned plus a lot of iconic New Order, Nina Hagen, Cabaret Voltaire and even more poppy stuff like Berlin pre their huge song. Amazing times 🎵 🎶
@@littlecatfeet9064in Orlando, we had Electric Avenue…on Friday it was teen night! The Cure, Soft Cell, Ministry, PIL, Killing Joke, Vicious Pink, etc…
During these years, and the 70 and the 60, it was permited to experiment, to try something defferent. Now, the musical industry only produce music like Burger King do food.
@@mariochabot7972 Unfortunately you’re right. I want to be open minded re new music, but it’s not as melodic, poetic or even danceable as the bands you listened to back in Quebec. I’m 54 and loved all the same bands.
One of my favourite Post Punk bands is XTC. They tend to get overlooked as Swindon was hardly a musical hotbed in the Post punk era but they made highly enjoyable and inventive music,
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My God. It's Eric Idle holding a mic in a video. Great video, but drop the mic. Hang it from the ceiling out of frame. Get a lavalier. Freeing your other hand will enhance your gestures. It won't hide your face.
Interesting that you included U2. I saw them play when the second album came out, Bono and Edge came out after the show and chatted with people a bit. I asked Edge what guitarists had influenced him, he said American bands like Television.
Re the Reggae influence on UK punk. A mate was one of the original punks and I asked him about it "We all hung out at the 100 Club in '77 when there was only like 4 punk singles released, so the dj had a choice of Reggae or ABBA and it wasn't going to be ABBA"
The History of Reggae is also the History of Skinhead.. it's chosen music.. Songs dedicated directly to them... It's influence was still felt.. after the 1st wave.. later Two Tone..
Congrats on putting together a great program. I've heard so many people refer to the 2nd British Invasion as containing a lot of bands from the 70's, like Queen etc. I think that you hit the nail on the head with the early 80's New Wave / New romantics / Synth bands. That's what the 2nd always said to me. I'm a Brit that moved here many moons ago and remember visiting in the early 80's and seeing that the New Wave music was really big here.
great videos! congrats. wanted to add something, not sure if anyone mentioned this.. but one of the reasons that Reggae / Dub is so closely tied to the punk / post punk scene was that when the famous club in London started, in between the bands the DJ Don Letts (a famous punk figure) would play reggae and dub records. This was cause he had a huge collection of those records and there weren't enough punk records to play yet. Don Letts is responsible for introducing reggae to the Clash.
It’s interesting that U2, a band so influenced by the post punk bands, were so disliked by John Peel, the Radio 1 DJ and all round arbiter of good music taste throughout the 70s and 80s. He championed the bands that came before U2, but never played U2 on his show, saying they were not a John Peel band.
Whats funny is that when I used to get asked about Post-Punk (I fronted a Post-Punk band for almost 15 years), I tell them one of the biggest bands in the world started as a Post-Punk band (U2). It's an easy, 1-2 sentence answer to a question I used to get all the time.
The Damned, Sudden Death Cult, sisters of mercy to name but three from many. More akin to siouxsie and the banshees, and the Cure. This genre is a very deep ocean. It's well worth dipping a toe, but it drags you in.
Modern Post Punk is awesome.. and growing.. my playlist has some bands and channels to check out... Titled, Moving in my Head.. cheers from Southern California
It wasn't just Manchester that was bleak in the late 70s/early 80s, a lot of Britain was, those darker sounds made sense, they fit in with the environment, it felt relevant. You were even told in school you had no future, John Lydon wasn't just pulling those words out of the ether, he was probably told them. This made the Punk DIY culture so important right into the 90s. If you haven't got a future you have to make your own regardless. It was a huge creative dividend for society in general and a fantastic era musically to grow up in.
With that context it really makes sense why Punk was so important to so many people. I’m sure it was an exciting time but also filled with plenty of hardship. Thank you for sharing
Hello All! Just wanted to correct something. In the video I state that the first Public Image album came out in 1979 when it in fact came out in 1978. I actually had it correct in my notes but must have misspoke. Metal Box did come out in 1979 however so that is correct.
It might also be important to mention Pere Ubu was releasing singles in 1975-three years before their first album. Very influential pre-punk post punk.
P.I.L.'s first album sounded totally like a Sex Pistols' album. The title song "Public Image" is a pure Sex Pistols' song.
And you dropped the ball by no mention of The Bunnymen. Rookie, young lad's mistake. Time to study up and read some more Son.
@@PK-gi2qhExactly! How are you going to bring up U2 and not mention Echo and the Bunnymen, the band that U2 actually copied the most in their early days.
The Chameleons are highly underrated and have never gotten the credit they deserve.
Was scrolling the comments to see if anyone would say the chameleons😊 the expanded editions of the first 3 LPS are amazing
HolyS$#%#$ another Chameleons fan dude totaly right , not even sarcasm
One of my favourite bands ever
Yup that was mine. Changed my life.
Because they kept changing. They were hard to rate.
So many GREAT Bands, it's hard to pick one: The Stranglers, Go Betweens, Magazine, XTC, Joy Division etc.... etc..... The one band that brought it all together for me was ECHO AND THE BUNNYMEN.
Echo!! Forever!
Agreed, Echo and the Bunnymen is/ was one of the best bands of all time (of all genres) and no question the best of post punk!
Love this video! My only thing is, I just wish people talked more about The Damned and their impact in both the OG punk and goth/postpunk scene, not to mention Dave Vanian’s influence on goth fashion. They really helped create the bridge between punk and goth alongside and even before bands like Bauhaus. I think they’ve had one of the most musically diverse careers from 1976 to 1986 and I hope you’ll cover them in a future video! 💜
The Damned are revered. this fella did a great job in this vid, but yeh The Damned was missed. They are in the canon in the Throne Room of the Punk Gods.
No mention of KILLING JOKE? They were THE post-punk making a link between punk, goth, hardcore and metal.
Killing Joke transcends most rock genres, can't really pin point what they are which makes them so good
They were in a league of their own. They are the true alternative to rock/pop music
I def agree that they should’ve been included in this video, their music is really good
Thank you, was really surprised they were overlooked.
You talked about Goth rock, but didn't mention The Sisters of Mercy?
Great video. A couple of bands I was surprised to see overlooked were Specimen and Alien Sex Fiend who were both huge parts of starting the Bat Cave, whats known as the first goth club. Interesting thing I learned from Trash Theory's recent video about New Order (also a great watch) is that Bono offered to replaced Ian Curtis in Joy Division. But New Order wanted to start something completely different out of respect to Curtis
Yea I would love to cover them if I do a full video on Goth! I’m glad you brought up the Trash Theory video since I just watched it the other day 😂 I can’t imagine New Order fronted by Bono. I think both U2 and New Order benefitted from not having him in the group
(By that I mean we got two awesome groups and great albums instead of just one)
Shit yeah. Southern Death Cult. Too. The Bat cave was absolutely essential.
Siouxsie is my queen and joy division and the smiths are my go to favorites. Dammit almost forgot talking heads
Siouxsie(1st band I saw live 1978) Joy Division(saw them 4 times 79/80) & the Smiths 😂 good but they were what was called in the uk as Indi same way as Flock of Seagulls/ orange juice etc you mentioning the Smiths is really funny
@@woody5831grow up.
Also yes I will die on this hill, U2's earlier work is iconic and very much belongs with the rest of these bands
Hell yeah “I will follow” and “out of control” are great examples of that.
By far the best Post Punk and maybe the most influential band was Killing Joke. Funnily enough the individual members were probably more Punk in their attitudes and day to day lives than any Punk band before them. RIP Raven and Geordie.
With KJ everything sounded like the last song....repetition.
The Wire exists.
Oh thank God, 🙏🏾 someone who knows what they are talking about..!✌🏽
@@zackspaulding you've not been listening or you haven't heard much Killing Joke. They were simply exceptional between 1978 and 1981...
@@MrEwancThey also released their best album later in their career, 2003's crushing, masterful, self titled album. And even Jaz Coleman himself believes this.
The influence of Reggae in Punk can be traced back to one man - Don Letts ☝🏽
He was part of the Punk scene, was the videographer for The Clash. But also DJ’d the Reggae sound systems in South London. Punk was always upbeat, but when they wanted something to “chill” to, they’d listen to Reggae. This gave rise to Two Tone & Ska-Punk
Thank you for adding this. This is important!
He was also the DJ at The Roxy.
Letts was the man, no doubt.
Paul Simonon had as much to do with it as Letts.
Fon let's was originally the DJ at first punk club the Roxy he used to play Reggae because until the Damned released New Rose single there was any punk records & Bob Marley was big punk fan hens song Punky Reggae Party
my favourite post punk band is killing joke but I also love the smiths, the cure, bauhaus, joy division, the talking heads and half man half biscuit (most underrated band of all time)
I’ve never heard of half man half biscuit before but I’ll definitely keep them on my radar 😂 all great picks!
@@JukeboxHistory Watch out or HMHB will put you "In a Suffolk Ditch". That's their most recent release, but If you love Eno, you'll get a laugh out or their "Eno Collaboration." Good video.
Watch 24 Hour Party People, great film about the rise of music in Manchester from the gig from the Pistols to the story of Joy Division and the rise of rave culture.
That sounds awesome! Thanks for the recommendation
sure bauhaus is goth, but all of their music considered, theyre avant-garde post-punk, same with bday party
Bauhaus are post avante guard dark-punk goth.
Bauhaus got stuck with the goth label because of the theatrics, they weren’t Cristian Death.
@@LuckyBastardProd Right. They were Death Christian.
Bang fucking on.
Bauhaus. Daniel Ash is my all-time favorite guitarist. Love all of his work.
Ash is so prolific. I feel like he gets overshadowed by Murphy for obvious reasons but man…one of the best of all time
Love and rockets saw them at palladium in Hollywood
Daniel Ash also influenced my favorites from Japan: Buck-Tick, Imai on guitars and the late Acchan.
Really enjoyed this. Thank you for mentioning The Slits. The connection between punk and reggae are often overlooked, but it's critical. My favorite modern day post punk band is Home Front on LA VIDA ES UN MUS.
My favorite modern post punk band is blind delon
Stranglers Black and White arguably the first post punk album.
Loved the video! Would love to see The Chameleons mentioned in one of your videos.
goth and post punk is just so fun and eclectic. it definitely one of my personal favorite genres and on top of that it’s also super influential for a ton of bands. so glad that this umbrella of genres still has longevity in the current day
The year of punk.
'Music is moving fast but there is one band that is ahead of the game the Stranglers. After the Sex Pistols they are the highest selling band in punk. It’s a scene they have an awkward relationship with as they have their own sound - a genuinely aggressive and totally original take on the form and oddly they never seem to get any credit for it.
They are now about to invent post punk.
The Stranglers are in Bear Shank Lodge in the snowbound Northants countryside writing songs for the third album. Their work ethic is astonishing. They have already released two two of the best selling albums over the last year and they are one of the biggest bands in the country.
They have also been ostracised by the press who claim they are too old - despite the Clash front man Joe Strummer having two years on their bassist, JJ Burnel.
They are the surly outsiders who gate crashed the party and instantly made a connection with Britain’s musically disaffected teens. The ‘experts’ had tried to deny their presence but the band were genuinely breaking all the rules and were getting the utmost respect for it from the new generation.
They also had the sound, the songs and the look.
They would become as influential as the Pistols or the Clash and paved the way for bands as diverse as Joy Division, the La’s or even the Stone Roses as well as signposting goth and , arguably, the ‘Black and White’ album they were working on that December was released in 1978 becoming the first post punk album.
These days post punk has been re-examined and re-evaluated with certain bands like the Gang Of Four getting suddenly elevated to godlike status with new bands who sound nothing like them - it’s sometimes good to look back and see who got in there first.
This was 1978 remember, punk was staggering and there was nothing else seemingly coming through. Joy Division were still in a formative stage, Public Image’s ‘Metal Box’ was not yet released it was the Stranglers that were leading the way.
While bands like Wire and Joy Division rightly get credit for taking punk into new areas it seems strange that the Stranglers. who were a far bigger and, in real terms, a far more influential band get left out of all the histories'.
John Robb
The epitome and best band of the genre is of course THE FALL.
Alive at the time. We had post-punk before we even knew we had punk. That is to say, that what came to be called post-punk drew on influences that pre-dated punk or were already there in punk (but just didn't get that much commercial attention). Everything seemed so much more interesting than things are now. It was like the more things were repressed, suppressed, ignored, reviled, the more interesting the world actually was. You could even go back to the Residents as proto-post-punk, well before there was punk. I could really get into bands that tried to do more commercially--Wire, Gang of Four, Comsat Angels, the Sound, the Chameleons, the Pixies, and Fugazi.
Post-punk is an arbitrary term, because you can go and listen to Brian Eno's Third Uncle from 1974 and Leejol by Red Krayola from 1968 and they both sound like bands like Gang of Four and Bauhaus were doing in the late 70s
Santa Dog was a favorite Residents song in all its permutations
Some reasons for punk and reggae connections is Don Letts. He was a DJ and the Clash’s videographer. He spun a lot of reggae records at clubs a lot of the punks went to. You also have skinhead culture coming from Jamaica being absorbed by punks and influencing oi and ska genres.
Also Don Letts and mick jones from the clash then made big audio dynamite.
Ska, Rocksteady and early Reggae were already in England for nearly 10 years when the Clash formed, and many of those songs were hugely popular on the charts. One of Clash members was from Brixton where that scene was especially potent. Joe Strummer saw The Specials early on (formed about the same time as The Clash) and was hooked. The Specials were two tone ska that incorporated some punk into their sound. The Specials then opened for The Clash at some shows. I think those elements came before Don Letts.
The Fall
I think people get quite confused with what post punk means and what albums are post punk but it’s important to bare in mind that nobody really knows what it means. The name post punk wasn’t made by some genius, it became popular through a huge group of people. So there’s going to be a lot of times where that group has named something post punk but it doesn’t fit in with the rest. Like it’s confusing because people have there opinions on what album is what genre. for example remain in light by talking heads is labelled as post punk but a lot of people might disagree with that because it’s not punk enough. So it’s important to not analyse it as a science and just use post punk as a loose guide because post punk is quite meaningless tbh. Not saying this video did that, it was a very good video. 👍
Two areas that were not addressed is the proto-Industrial stuff (Suicide, Throbbing Gristle, Gary Numan, etc...) and what I refer to as 2nd wave Krautrock (Einstuzende Neubauten, Malaria, etc...).
Good chance of doing a proto-industrial and industrial video at one point. Good suggestions tho and thanks for watching!
Post-Punk before Punk? What is that? 😅😅😅 Glam Rock is big in the early '70's! So i would say Roxy Music and Television is Post-Glam.
The Chameleons🖤🖤🖤
Killing Joke & Bauhaus are Peak Post Punk..🔥 those 2 bands are your favorite band's favorite bands. ...and Yes of course, Bowie's LOW & iggy's IDIOT are Major highlights❤
New. lol wtf.
It’s pronounced Noy.
...also , The Au Pairs , The Pop Group and Mission Of Burma.
Favorites for me are: The Chameleons, The Sound & Killing Joke.
If Punk was the Triasdic Post Punk was the Jurassic. Post Punk was about punk musicians who were actially able to play music!
Sisters of Mercy
I actually prefered Johnny Rotten/John Lydons Public Image Limited 's albums to the Sex Pistols, especially Metal Box.
One other reason for the attraction of punks in the UK to reggae music was because a lot of them had been young adolescents during the skinhead/suedehead/rude boy style cult era of the early 70s. These working class white kids listened almost exclusively to massive amounts of rocksteady and reggae from labels like Trojan, Studio One, and Blue Beat, and a lot of them went onto the punk scene half a decade later with reggae music already in their DNA. A great example is Don Letts, who had been a black skinhead in the early 70s (at this time skinhead ≠ neonazi), then during the punk era became the house DJ at The Roxy and was sort of a reggae liaison and tastemaker who produced for The Clash, and then by the post punk era played in both PIL and Big Audio Dynamite. Probably one of the most influential people you never heard of.
Aaaaand now I’m a thousand miles away from what I meant to talk about.
Pre-Bela Lugosi's Dead..."Ghost Rider" by Suicide. It's certainly not as evolved but the ambience and reverb are heavy. There's a slower, less defined version that seems like a super early "goth" track.
For sure. I’ll also be talking about Suicide in the No Wave video. They were really ahead of the curve on a lot of stuff!
@JukeboxHistory Excellent! Really enjoyed this vid.
Great video! I'm surprised this isn't bigger than it is. It's well-researched and nicely summarizes and contextualizes a lot of connections I had made on my own.
Funny story: I listened to U2 a lot in the early 2010s, having stolen my mom's greatest hits CD. I became thoroughly obsessed and collected all their early albums. Circa 2020 I got very into post-punk and goth, so imagine my shock when the lightbulb turned on and I realized that U2's first three albums were straight-ahead post-punk (albeit with the characteristic U2 flourishes of uncertain Christianity and political idealism).
Also, maybe you talked about it in your previous video (which I haven't watched yet), but the Clash's London Calling feels like a very post-punk album to me. Sure, there's some straight-ahead punk, but also a lot more experimentation with different genres, classic post-punk nervous introspection on tracks like Lost in the Supermarket, and of course the title track's very foreboding tone and lyrics. I'm open to debate on this point, though.
Awesome work Mate, I grew up in a tiny town in NZ and love the fact that I was the first in that town to
have Unknown Pleasures, had to import it as no record stores would stock it, including The Fall, Gang of Four, Wire and Clock DVA.
The Birthday Party were also massive and "Sonnys Burning" (Bad Seeds) was why I bought drums with lawn mowing money at 13,
Excellent video will tune in to more, and keep bringing more wise council to those whom may not realise these bands
spawned some of what they listen to today, Cheers
That’s some dedication! Really cool that you worked so hard to listen to this music that wasn’t readily available. In the age of streaming we definitely take this stuff for granted but you can’t beat waiting forever to actually listen to an album and it delivering. Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻
I accidentally discovered your channel today. Great video!
Chameleons, Killing Joke, Magazine, Wire, Joy Division.
Postpunk = Art-Punk!
WIRE.
The first three PiL albums are some of my faves.
Psychedelic Furs
I started dipping my toes into post punk (I don’t remember ever calling it that) around 1981 and didn’t live in a big city so I was surprised that you caught a couple of early bands I never heard of. The first couple of sources were very dude-centric so the section on women was especially welcome. I remember The Slits but don’t know The Raincoats and Young Marble Giants. Yay for more music to get into from my favorite genre, thanks.
Oh and yes, U2 absolutely started out in this genre. They haven’t always been bloated megalomaniacs. They didn’t truly hit mainstream til The Joshua Tree.
The Fall
During the height of the pandemic, my mind got captured by Durutti Column. Something about the ways some of the music painted a picture really transfixed my imagination. I bought as many albums as I could find.
Good video.👍.
Certainly the best bands that crawled out of the punk movement and went on to influence the bands that entirely changed the landscape of music in the late 80s and early 90s are worth mentioning youd think?? Where is the mention of Husker Du and the Minutemen and Replacements?
Ok, 1st I wanna say really great job hitting most of the great notes of bands from the Post-Punk era. I use to know and hang out with members of Pere Ubu, who are from my hometown, as well as with Siouxsie Sioux and Budgie, Cocteau Twins, members of Bauhaus/Tones On Tail/Love & Rockets, and Gary Numan. Others that I would've place as important bands that either were Post-Punk or started as Post-Punk are Orchestral Maneuvers In The Dark, John Foxx era Ultravox, Tubeway Army (Gary Numan's band), Dead Can Dance (and not just because my voice can be heard on one of their live albums), Killing Joke, and my all-time favorite band, Cocteau Twins (who I would've added to the Gothic list for their 1st album, Garlands). Having said that, you did an awesome job. And big-time kudos for referencing Pere Ubu.
Oh wow that’s really cool! Cocteau Twins are fantastic and I actually did an early video on them that I’ve since taken down. Dead Can Dance are also such an interesting group and I’d like to give them their own video at some point. Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching 🤠
This was really well done, great job!
Thank you!
I got into post punk because of The Police. People think of them as solidly new wave with their blending of punk and reggae influences and their catchier hits, but beyond the singles much of their stuff has that moody, ambivalent quality that made post punk so compelling. U2's "Boy" also helped me figure out what I liked musically so it's great to see it given its due in a post punk context here. The Cure and Depeche Mode helped too, but what really got me consciously exploring post punk was one of the new revival bands, Thus Love - I recommend their album "Memorial".
But if there's one post punk band I want everyone to hear, it's The Sound, who heartbreakingly never got their due while singer/songwriter/guitarist Adrian Borland was alive. They appeal to the part of my brain that loves both the darker Police stuff and that band's tight musicianship and reggse influences, but they never found lasting fame in their native UK or the US. This month there's a book out about Borland and a bunch of other retrospective work going on, so it's a bit easier to find their music on CD, vinyl and mp3 than it was for many years, and I hope this leads to more people discovering them. Try 1981 album "From The Lion's Mouth"; I don't think you will be disappointed.
As I understand it, producer Martin Hannett was as much the driver behind the Joy Division sound as were the band themselves.
He absolutely was. From what I’ve read he was pretty difficult to get along with lol but he got results
UK Decay!
Would’ve been a great mention.
So good seeing Youn Marble Giants getting some spotlight. Colossal Youth is one of my fav albums ever, no doubt.
The fall,The Fall,The FallThe Fall.....
Great pick! Definitely a lot of material from them to listen to 😂
How I wrote Elastic Man !!
@@JukeboxHistory would absolutely love to see you do a Fall deep dive
Great video! That German band (Neu!) is pronounced "noy", for future reference.
A lot of information condensed into a small run time. Really well done. 👍 😊
I was in college during this era loved Joy Division, The Smiths, The Slits, The Cure, and Souxie & the Banchees, and yes to U2-the War album especially, but what about Adam and the Ants?
Thought he was more a part of the New Romantic movement?
Simon Reynolds is pretty much the most interesting and best writer/music journalist of our time.
Nice vid! (although I miss The Sisters....)
He’s such a good writer. I appreciate how he’s able to write about these artists with an objective lens. He doesn’t excuse a lot of the *cough* “creative” choices they made early on. I was back and forth on including some of that in this video but decided to leave it to the music. Thanks for watching!
I agree about the Sisters of Mercy. They are one of the core goth bands, though they started in 1980, a couple of years after the other big names. A massive influence on all later gothic rock.
True
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Joy Division
Great pick! Really the quintessential post-punk band 👌
The “Beatles” of post-punk for sure
@@samstevenson5328id disagree and say Siouxsie and the Banshees were the beatles of post punk because then in the 80s they had a catalog that shifted from just core post punk and expanded it to psychedelic/alternative rock
@@Simtria Actually I take back what I said about Joy Division, it’s really The Cure at the end of the day. Both Siouxsie & The Banshees and Joy Division follow in hot pursuit!
@@samstevenson5328 I disagree with the cure sentiment because the band had their big change after robert joined banshees in 79 and had a creative boom but after rejoining and leaving in 84 he took a lot of banshees esc elements with him but curified them
Really difficult topic to try to cover (you will always leave out something - Killing Joke, Echo and the Bunnymen, etc.) but you did a really good job of including most major influences. Good call on including U2 - they were totally post-punk. Boy and October were absolute classics. When I was in college, Boy had just released and U2 was going to be booked at a local bar. Unfortunately, the bar refused to pay the $500 U2 was asking for the gig.
Can’t wait to see you videos on new wave and hardcore punk. Great job on this video. What a fantastic and innovative time for music. I was born in 1980 and the 90’s were my teen years but I really love this era right before I was born.
It’s such a good era of music. It seems like a lot of the groups in the 90’s took after this era too so I don’t think you’re alone! Thanks for watching
Fantastic work my friend! I wanted to write you off as an American but you NAILED the history my brother! You may need to research Don Letts on the reggae and ska influence on punk 😎
I've heard this boring old story for the last 40 years...as Ferry sang; the same old scene... well, people don't have new things to tell... Magazine's real life album and the pop group's Y are wonderful... besides Blurt, rema rema and the passage, and don't forget Get smart! And Stockholm Monsters.. and from France Martin Dupont .. Norma Loy .... Little Nemo ... Im so tired ... Sad lovers and giants... And the Necro Nerds.
Tuxedomoon.... Grauzone.... Ríp rig and panic... The wake... Im so boring and tired about this subject
.. post punk.... Listen A certain Ratio .. Pere Ubu... Fad Gadget...the screamers.. 45 grave...you know what forget It.. just go and listen hall & oates. And then Lords of the new church.
Robert Smith praised Siouxsie and the Banshees' first album The Scream, Kaleidoscope, A Kiss in the Dreamhouse - and besides the Cure opening for Siouxsie in "the early days", Smith has spoken of his Siouxsie and the Banshees' influence on him. Morrissey said, "None of them are as good as Siouxsie and the Banshees at full pelt. That's not dusty nostalgia, that's fact". (1994) The Edge said the reason Bono sounded like a girl on the first two U2 LPs was the great influence of Siouxsie and the Banshees on U2. Fortunately, Siouxsie and the Banshees never got "stuck" as punks or in Goth or any other genre - they are a genre all their own (like The Beatles).
As an old fart of long standing and a music fan of even longer, I would like to congratulate you on a thoughtful, interesting and idiosyncratic video. As a Brit my interest was always more towards the homegrown talent...Television notwithstanding, but you left out a few I would have liked to seen in there...Elvis Costello for the immediate post punk genre, he tends to be lumped in with the new wave, despite having more ideas and talent than the whole of the new wave combined... The Jam, and possibly Blondie sit somewhere in the middle of the whole sorry affair, and The Sisters of Mercy for the tail end of the deal. I have subscribed to the channel and look forwards to more thoughtful, thought provoking material.
Echo & The Bunnymen?
Southern Death Cult?!...
Dude... u2 is the first band I've started being a fan. What a great surprise seeing them in the video. And rule 1 for being a goth: you gotta always say you're not a goth.
lol
Nice video, man!
They started as punk then post-punk. Not just goth subgenre, but many other subgenres of alternative.
To not even mention Echo & the Bunnymen in this video is a crime as they are the quintessential example of Post Punk. Joy Division, yes Souxie, yes, Wire, ok... But no Bunnymen? Or Killing Joke for that matter...wtf?
Eatbm get lumped into the new romantic scene but I agree with you . I consider them pp up till ocean rain
@@josephcorso5081 no they don't- Japan, visage, duran duran etc is what usually gets lumped in that.
When is punk not punk? Garage rock with its simple but often attractive melodies morphed into punk which had more edge and often satire like the Dickies and the Slits. Move on and we have Green Day with a bigger sound and more message to the music. What did Billy Joel say…It’s still rock and roll to me..
I always called Green Day bubble gum punk it's perfect.
You should definitely do a video about riot grrrl/feminist punk!! one of the most important punk movements imo :)
There’s a part of me that wants to continue with the punk series after part 6. If that’s the case then that would certainly be a video!
I want to say that this is the most in depth and well made video on the history of post-punk on RUclips. I know at this stage of your RUclips career it’s gonna be hard to finish this series. From the bottom of my heart please do not stop making videos, you have a talent that few do. Love ya man and stay handsome!
Thanks so much!
"Post Punk". Hmm. I don't think I've ever really thought about that phrase much. To me personally it would probably mean something like Bauhaus or The Smiths maybe. Something early 80's but was influenced by punk.
Omg! This is such a perfect channel!!! wishing you all the success in the world I’ll be here in your journey!!!
Thank you so much! Appreciate the kind words ❤️
BTW: That is also post punk...somewhat :-) Raw power, as Iggy would say ! 1982.
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I'm 57 and, even if I was a "prog maniac" in the "end of the 70" /" begining of the 80", my week-end evening during tyhis time was to go to the goth bar of my little town in Québec (Saint-Hyacinthe) and dance on The Cure, Bauhaus, The Smith, PIL, Siouxies and the Banshees, Psychedelic furs or some etectro-goth hybrid like Skinny Puppy. Those were my best friday and saturday's evening of my life!
Nice! My club (all ages) was Numbers in Houston, playing all the artists you mentioned plus a lot of iconic New Order, Nina Hagen, Cabaret Voltaire and even more poppy stuff like Berlin pre their huge song. Amazing times 🎵 🎶
@@littlecatfeet9064in Orlando, we had Electric Avenue…on Friday it was teen night! The Cure, Soft Cell, Ministry, PIL, Killing Joke, Vicious Pink, etc…
Et 3AM, when the bar was closing, the last song was always La fête triste from the French band Tricomie 21 : ruclips.net/video/Rfxf8PQi5B4/видео.html
During these years, and the 70 and the 60, it was permited to experiment, to try something defferent. Now, the musical industry only produce music like Burger King do food.
@@mariochabot7972 Unfortunately you’re right. I want to be open minded re new music, but it’s not as melodic, poetic or even danceable as the bands you listened to back in Quebec. I’m 54 and loved all the same bands.
One of my favourite Post Punk bands is XTC. They tend to get overlooked as Swindon was hardly a musical hotbed in the Post punk era but they made highly enjoyable and inventive music,
XTC is great! I’ll be bringing them up in the New Wave video. Thanks for watching
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JUST HOLD MY HAND DAMMIT
Stiff Kittens first. I highly recommend Peter Hooks books they hold the truth x
Killing Joke! Was waiting to see them in the vid. Oh well. Maybe you can do a whole video on them. Definitely the darkest and heaviest post punk band.
Bauhaus
Great content. I slept on Ju Ju by Siouxsie and the Banshees. Big mistake.
JuJu is such a great album. I’ve had that and Kaleidoscope on repeat since I started researching this video. Better late than never 😂
My God. It's Eric Idle holding a mic in a video.
Great video, but drop the mic. Hang it from the ceiling out of frame. Get a lavalier. Freeing your other hand will enhance your gestures. It won't hide your face.
This is a truly stellar video! Concise, yet perfectly detailed.
Siouxsie & The Banshees and both John McGeough are the greatest post punk band and guitarist IMO
Interesting that you included U2. I saw them play when the second album came out, Bono and Edge came out after the show and chatted with people a bit. I asked Edge what guitarists had influenced him, he said American bands like Television.
Re the Reggae influence on UK punk.
A mate was one of the original punks and I asked him about it
"We all hung out at the 100 Club in '77 when there was only like 4 punk singles released, so the dj had a choice of Reggae or ABBA and it wasn't going to be ABBA"
That’s hilarious 😂 love some ABBA but Reggae was probably the right choice
The History of Reggae is also the History of Skinhead.. it's chosen music..
Songs dedicated directly to them...
It's influence was still felt.. after the 1st wave.. later Two Tone..
Great show. Well researched and presented. Will watch your other stuff soon. Please keep going with this.
Thank you so much!
And Sisters of Mercy?
Yup
Rudimentary Peni...cacophony is a work of art...
Congrats on putting together a great program. I've heard so many people refer to the 2nd British Invasion as containing a lot of bands from the 70's, like Queen etc. I think that you hit the nail on the head with the early 80's New Wave / New romantics / Synth bands. That's what the 2nd always said to me. I'm a Brit that moved here many moons ago and remember visiting in the early 80's and seeing that the New Wave music was really big here.
I also think that The Smiths were post post punk!
You missed Pylon. 😊
I think they belong here, not in New Wave
great videos! congrats. wanted to add something, not sure if anyone mentioned this.. but one of the reasons that Reggae / Dub is so closely tied to the punk / post punk scene was that when the famous club in London started, in between the bands the DJ Don Letts (a famous punk figure) would play reggae and dub records. This was cause he had a huge collection of those records and there weren't enough punk records to play yet. Don Letts is responsible for introducing reggae to the Clash.
The Damned are the most exotic of the original ‘76 band. The album they released last year, “Darkadelic” is fab!
Yeah!!
Definitely! Always wonderful live!
It’s interesting that U2, a band so influenced by the post punk bands, were so disliked by John Peel, the Radio 1 DJ and all round arbiter of good music taste throughout the 70s and 80s. He championed the bands that came before U2, but never played U2 on his show, saying they were not a John Peel band.
Whats funny is that when I used to get asked about Post-Punk (I fronted a Post-Punk band for almost 15 years), I tell them one of the biggest bands in the world started as a Post-Punk band (U2). It's an easy, 1-2 sentence answer to a question I used to get all the time.
The Damned, Sudden Death Cult, sisters of mercy to name but three from many. More akin to siouxsie and the banshees, and the Cure. This genre is a very deep ocean. It's well worth dipping a toe, but it drags you in.
Southern Death Cult.
Modern Post Punk is awesome.. and growing.. my playlist has some bands and channels to check out...
Titled, Moving in my Head.. cheers from Southern California
It wasn't just Manchester that was bleak in the late 70s/early 80s, a lot of Britain was, those darker sounds made sense, they fit in with the environment, it felt relevant. You were even told in school you had no future, John Lydon wasn't just pulling those words out of the ether, he was probably told them. This made the Punk DIY culture so important right into the 90s. If you haven't got a future you have to make your own regardless. It was a huge creative dividend for society in general and a fantastic era musically to grow up in.
With that context it really makes sense why Punk was so important to so many people. I’m sure it was an exciting time but also filled with plenty of hardship. Thank you for sharing
The Cure!
A great pick!