Excellent review Roman! Bang on with the thermal pads and grating (or dust filter) over the rectifier heat spreader. They need as much cooling as they can get. We water-cooled ours (ROG Rampage 5 Edition 10). We believe cooling is extremely important at the rectifier junction because it ensures a cleaner and more accurate DC voltage elsewhere. Check out the differences with an oscilloscope at too hot of a rectifier vs a water-cooled. Great job!
Just got a zenith extreme omega with all accessories and box for less than half its retail price. Pretty happy with that. Have that board and a x299 DARK to play with. Happy camper here
@Martin M I have the x299 and x399 zenith alpha/omega boards and they are both likely dead ends. Same can be said for everything in the market at the moment. Z390 dead end.. x570...likely dead end maybe one more gen...maybe??
Thanks for this very detailed review. I just suffered an Asus Rampage IV Gene failure so I am looking into a replacement and given my ROG Strix Vega64 x2 cards, I looked to this board. Thanks for the reminder to look at current rampage boards. Please keep giving reviews like this. It helps a great many users like me that understand just enough to be dangerous (some some times to ourselves) to make better, informed decisions.
The vertical m.2 placement is a really good idea. It would have been even better to use this for all the m.2 slots on the board and put them all aligned so they eat only one PCI-E slot instead of two or even three here. Look at the massive surface eaten by the m.2 heatsinks. This surface could have been used for additional or longer PCI-E slots. Frustrated VFIO user here, but each to their own I guess.
Curious when are you going to do a Cascade Lake review with the Asus X299-E Gaming II Review that you promise back in October? It hasn't been uploaded yet? I know most online reviews are bad but I like to see your two-cents on the issue der8auer?
Just fyi if you have this board you need to go into the bios and manually set the duty cycle for the VRM fan. It should spin at quite a high speed constantly if you want it to.
With the thermal issues nvme drives can have maybe burying m.2 ports under chipset coolers and between pci-e slots just isn't a good design. There were those dimm.2 riser cards a few board had which seemed like a decent solution. I suppose it does make boards wider so sticking to pci-e risers seems practical.
Why do you reference the TDP “W” if it is an arbitrary number? Is there a purpose or use of that spec that you are aware of? I’ve been trying to understand TDP for a while now and am ready to believe it is made up by marketing.
Intel Optane M.2 drives like the 380GB 905P drive are the long form factor I think. Some server grade SSDs are also that long to have space for enough tantalum capacitors, to do power loss protection.
In your testing of the temperature / power draw - what was the state of the CPU? I don’t really understand, did you over click the CPU and if so what voltage and cpu ratio did you use? If I missed it sorry, I was watching on my phone and didn’t see it
Do you guys think that X299-E gaming (V1) will get Cascade Lake bios update? or for obvious marketing reasons they won't do it to force buyers to get v2 ?
i think the vertical m.2 mounting looks ugly, BUT is highly functional. think about it. airflow is far better for m.2's. especially with gen4 which throttles without good airflow. and most likely your other m.2 on the board, wont be used as much unless in raid.
Hi Roman, I agree with most statements, however when you say that there's finally a decent X299 board I must disagree. What do you think about EVGA X299 Dark, MSI MEG Godlike boards. VRM wise they're over engineered, even for the 18 core CPU's.
Kind of. The X299 Dark was originally annoucned with a different heatsink. After VRM Desaster it was delayed for several months to make a new heatsink. I think there is no X299 Godlike?
@@der8auer Ah X299 godlike was only teased, I was confused with another board. The 2 boards that were indeed delayed but then released and reviewed positively by a lot of people are the X299 Dark and X299 Taichi XE (which was also re-released). Only issue of the Dark imho is that it's catered to pure OC performance and lacks some luxury features that other boards of same price category have like 10GE and built in Wifi+BT.
@Martin M There are routers, switches, and NAS that have 2.5, 5.0, and/or 10 Gb ports now, and some internet plans are getting over 1Gb. It is good future-proofing on a new mobo purchase.
@@Zarcondeegrissom They've obviously had some changes otherwise they wouldn't have performance improvements over the previous incarnations. They are iterations on a previous design, but aren't many things in the consumer world? Do you go over to car manufacturer videos and complain that their new model isn't new enough? How about a McDonald's burger? Mobile Phone? Gaming Keyboard?
"performance improvements" is yet to be seen, cuz it's still under NDA. As for 'not much' I agree. most roomers seem to hint at this being the 8th gen or 7th gen Xeon dies repackaged and rebranded as consumer parts with the low-TDP server limits removed for higher clocks. I think the biggest change is the prices, and I would be surprised if the performance was drastically better than the dif between the 6700k and 7700k (between the 9th gen x299 and 10th gen x299 parts). with x299, and this is x299, not a new socket, at least they're not charging 2 grand for only a 200MHz boost over the 9'th gen parts. As for the car thing, no I don't, and in fairness, I do think most cars have more changes between years of the same model, than intel's been doing to the cores between generations since Sandy. +200MHz from a refinement of the wafer process, is not a major change to the circuit layout of the cores, it's just a wafer process refinement that lets the same core clock higher. Is it a new Core(tm), I really don't think so. looking at a few 'vulnerabilities' discovered over two years ago that let a program read the data from the ALU output register (or output buffer latch) from a previous execution of a neighboring SMT thread running on the same core. A simple 3 transistor circuit that cleared the output register when the task was swapped to the other SMT thread, would eliminate that threat. 3 transistors, that's all it would take to fix that. Has that been fixed yet at the hardware level, if so, then intel is being really quiet about it. Let's just say, I have doubts that the 'new' is that new.
X299 platform launced june 2017, so its 2 years in the market not three as you mention, the other issue id like to metion is that i dont understand the so called "issue" with vrm cooling that you are refering to again and again I have X299 platform day one, i ve tested many cpus asome mine some not, the only issue i found was only on skylake-x 7**** series that the cpu temp was out of control if not delided BUT the refreshed skl-x 9**** series which is soldered is MUCH better... But the vrms which on asus boards are 120 ceclius degrees rated, NEVER exeded 70 dfegrees even at 5ghz in a 24/7 stablegaming rig 1.32vcore.....of course with a custom watercooling
weirdest way to mount an m.2 ? uh ? no that was the ORIGINAL way to mount an m.2 actually and one that makes 10x more sense because having an m.2 generating heat below your gpu that also generates heat and cutting almost all airflow to the nvme is the worst design ever (not even talking about motherboard space), vertical m.2 at the right of the board places it in front of your front panel fans helping it's cooling (since in all recent motherboard they force that garbage placement on us, mount your system nvme below the gpu or if you can't because the system nvm should be in the upper slot then mount your gpu in the bottom pcie even if it's 8x only that way my 970pro idles at 39°C and when working only to 59°C compare that to yours)
@@superfly4137 Hi no not yet but just wondering how I'm going to replace when it does, I contacted ASUS and they were no help they just told me to take it out and replace it, big help isn't it? but I was wondering maybe its a rechargeable button battery
@der8auer i know that AMD has better ipc but we should be able to overclock to higher frequencies with the intel chips with bigger radiators. thats what i would like to see.
In my opinion ... I think Asus should just use some kind of sliding mechanism to adjust the length of the M2 adapter to make it look nice at whatever length you set it There is also One issue with this board (and the Prime X299 Edition 30 also has this) and I am pretty confident that somebody from Asus has been sleeping on the job or at least has had no connection with the graphics card department for the last 10 years .... The PCIe X1 slot location right underneath the Primary X16 slot ... and then an empty space ... This makes that 1X slot pretty much useless since all graphics cards are all dual slot So My Issue would be fitting 2 GPU's + 1 Thunderbolt Card (Believe these are 4X) and my TI Firewire PCIe 1X card ... Probebly have to look at other boards for an upgrade I think
with that fan it seems a 10 years ago board and i remember when they fail after a bit causing noise and problems. an high end board must not rely on a 4x4 fan for VRMs. just my two cents :)
I lost the M.2 bracket for my ASUS X99-S so my 950 Pro is just sticking out of the board unsupported. Works fine though and dare I say it looks less ugly too :P
Lol u should finish the video before commenting, he did test it with the 9980XE... he even reviewed thermal pad placement on the VRM and PCIe lane distribution! The absolute madman, hands down one of the best MB review I've seen on yt so far.
Yeah... I find it funny people are whining about this name when it's the same amount of syllables as the 2080 TI. Shows all this anti-Intel sheep behaviour is just pathetic.
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE I dont think it has much to do with "anti-Intel sheep behaviour",but with the fact that people say it in a less efficient way than the six syllables i mentioned.And intel IS a company that is pretty repulsive....Just to set that straight.
@der8auer would you be interested in the fastest 7820x in canada (on hwbot, not verified)? i'd be willing to trade it if you're interested ... it does 5ghz on an aio and scored 2109 on cinebench r15
I will be replacing my older Strix Gaming X299-E with this one. Giving my kid my 7820X and the older Gaming mobo and I guess it is either 7900X or maybe a 109xx.
I don't know, Roman. Some aspects of that board look rushed. Like the VRM heatsink's fan looks like an afterthought. And the goofy M.2 slot, right next to the 24 pin. Do you think you could test that same M.2 drive in the EVGA X299 DARK? Just curious, since the DARK has active PCH/M.2 cooling. Thanks for the overview. Excellent work, as always. o7
One oh nine eighty X E makes most sense to me. Regardless i think Intel is just releasing something to try and keep any amount of market- and mind-share til TR3000.
Because of 590$ msrp I'm really interested in 10900X gaming performance. Comet Lake is launching next year and if rumours are true, 10900K might be a worse choice than a 10900X. Unless they cut the price on their consumer lineup of course.
For gaming, the K version would probably perform better if they keep the ring bus interconnect. The X version probably uses the mesh interconnect, which is worse for gaming.
@@rulik007 that's true, their software division is honestly lacking. But I'm mostly going to test only the hardware of the gigabyte boards, can't wait for those boards to arrive in our country.
It's quite lame of AMD to pick up a naming convention for their boards that is the same as Intel. Not an Intel fan by any stretch myself, but it's really frustrating behaviour.
how many people owns 580 / 590 or vega cards with many drivers since 19.5.2 have been seen their cards having green screens , pink screens , black screens or system shut downs. updating drivers watch gpu temps also ive been amd only since ati8500 ive seen this alot my cards as soon as they start selling the next big card its like they dont care if their bricking your card forcing a upgrade even tell you if contact them they concentrate on the new cards . bought sapphire nitro+ vega card new in april got it may 1st right now strong card if i use 19.5.2 any driver newer is a toss up . it needs to be talked about google black screen vega 64 newer drivers . and not a power issue got a rm850x . one driver even dropped my boost clocks 80-100 mhz
der8auer : the problem that this VRM solution is 2 years too late is not the only problem....the biggest problem with the X299 is the fact that those are HEDT cpu-s that use MESH structure of the cores which is a slower way in terms of IPC compared to RING BUS which is used for the gaming consumer platform. In real world an i7 8700K running at 4,2 GHz is equally fast as an HEDT i7 6950 running at 4,7 GHz in terms of IPC performance in games. So for my taste it's a stupid cpu series that even 1-st gen Ryzen beast in IPC and multi-core.
You can't have ringbus and high core count as well. Ringbus only scales to 12 cores or so. Broadwell E tried this with the E5-2699 v4 and it turned out that the double ringbus setup was pretty shit for a 22 core. These HEDT are repurposed server chips and Intel used mesh to make sure they could scale to 28 cores without the deficiencies of the previous 22 cores. Besides, I'm assuming that you're criticizing mesh for being slower than ringbus for gaming, when these chips were never designed with gaming in mind.
@@rcradiator yes but Shintel is literaly promoting them as right now worthy competitors to ZEN2 architecture which has the same IPC performance in Ryzen and Threadripper cpu-s.
saying this is old after like what a year or 2 is ridiculous. the more stuff you get for free and the more money you make the more cockey you guys get. why don't you just laugh in the face of 90% of the people and you're subscribers :s
@@FLASH24x Sorry lad, my 7980xe gets over 5k in r15 whilst the 3950x barely touches 4400, I wouldn't call that 'beating', maybe you should learn the products you're shilling before doing so.
Not so obvious. Cascade lake cpus have 48 lanes: if you don' t use m.2 slots, the ones connected to the cpu, and the motherboard layout is compatibile you should be able to make 3x16 link.
@Martin M yep check www.guru3d.com/articles-categories/memory-(ddr2%7Cddr3)-and-storage-(hdd%7Cssd).html in some real life cases even a 970 evo plus does better than a pseudo 4.0, this far 4.0 are good for benchmarking numbers only
no need to whiteknight him and be passive-aggressive. If you could explain to me where i said i wasnt going to watch in my comment or where i implied that feel free. Stop trying to create a conflict for no reason when there is clearly no intention of one.
@@Fakeman First of all you should go to another country that doesn't speak your language and see how you do. Second, you stated that you were "mildly infuriated" at his pronunciation of Watt. If i was infuriated at that i would leave the channel and never return. You don't have to watch either. Say what you feel to me but Roman has my respect and he should have yours as well.
I can't tell if you are actually trolling or not. But anyone with a non-biased view would see my comment as well spirited and not serious, because you seem to think that i shouldnt watch these videos, which is downright rude to be honest. Please reconsider your wording in future comments because it makes you look silly and narrow minded, which is never a good combination lol
@@Fakeman You sure picked the right name for yourself. I couldn't care any less what you watch. Your comment was rude and that's what got me ticked off at you.
Im sorry, I like You, but I do not think You should be reviewing Intel CPus at all, because of the power draw they can only be classified as 7 8 year old cpus with, unlocked TDP, and not worth a penny nor offer any value for a 5 years build which is the amortization cost of electronics.You should not promote legacy products, unless you are representing a channel and a e shop that wants to offer vintage products. Intel is out of the CPU industry for ever, and reviewing anything that has to do with them, can only lead to some kids into buying intel products, wrongly thinking the will be worth anything 6 12 months form now. On top of that with Google Stadia and Amazon servers all converting to AMD echosystem before organic computers take over, it would be better talking about when We shoudl expect Intel to stop manufacturing CPUS, and how many jobs will be dropped
Just because the process node hasn't changed in a while does not mean it hasn't been improved. 14nm+++++++ is incredibly well optimised, both in efficiency and speed. The architecture is also impressive. The most direct competition for mainstream computer chips is AMD, who has the manufacturing node advantage. Despite that advantage, Intel is still competitive. It wins in some instances, loses in others. When they finally get to their next manufacturing node, Intel might have an edge again. Or not, maybe next gen ryzen will outperform next process intel. Just because a different company has the edge on performance, price, efficiency, maturity doesn't mean other companies are not worthy to exist or be mentioned. By that logic, AMD shouldn't have been mentioned until Zen 2. It's a disgusting behaviour to try and shove one party in the ground. Support AMD, that's great, help them grow and advance further. Be positive about it. But bringing others down doesn't raise your favourite brand up, it just makes the market stagnate.
@@dumboy886 I do not think You have understood what is going on here...Intel, is a massive Company with massive amounts of money without a product since the last drop squeezed out lemon 7700K..... Those servers you play on, You watch YOu tube on, you comment on, those server You download ur games from, and get ur emails, are all NOW AMD and if they are not it is just becuase They are waiting for the Physical machine to arrive and replace the OLD Intel machine...this new 10 Generation Intel CPUS are ALL , the whole bulk of them UNSOLD server processors, that have been siting there for 2 fucking years hoping for a client to buy them..... You need to understand Intel is done with manufacturing CPus..... 3 4 years from now all Intel CPU support will end and they will move on to something else, same as NVIDIA will stop manufacturing GPUS and become only a software developer...DO not understand?! silicon is at the end of the road, and only architecture that can go beyond silicon is AMDs interposer 3d stacked and chiplet tech, which Intel and NVIDIA are not and will NOT capable to deliver...Intel wants to change its architecture now, and it will take them at least 5 years from today to have that ready, and they arent capable to deliver 10 NM...by the time INtel will be at 7 NM AMD will be at 1 NM, and after that its the end of silicon. 3 4 years form now there wil be new Giant companies manufacturing CPus competing vs AMD, and wil win the market even over AMD, but as for NOW intel is out of the game and there is no point into talking about their products as they are worth nothing, nor their company as it is unofficially not a CPU company anymore...get your facts straight and move on ...its 2020, not 2015 and we are moving at a waaaaaay faster pace than moores law.
Soooo, 10 series laptop parts are actual unsold 7th gen Xeons ? Well that sounds interesting. I'm sure the reason I didn't know about any of that is because the lizard-illuminati ufo people were just hiding the truth
@@dumboy886 Exactly that...DUDE.... wake up AMAZON AND GOOGLE are ordering ONLY AMD servers, and replacing the Intel ones as they reach they 5 year amortization.....AMD servers an offer now up tp 4 times the density, twice as much performance at one quarter of the cost
@@AbyNeon while I agree most firms probably look at AMD as a very compelling option, it's simply not possible to transform old inventory into new 10th gen part. The architecture is different, i mean, 9000 intel procs have hardware mitigation for spectre v2. Did they just dip the chips in magic improvement potion ? Also, if you could repurpose chips, and they wanted rid of unsold xeons, how's the shortage every been a problem? AMD has been doing amazing work, Intel not so much... That we know of. It doesn't mean they're bad. I don't know what sort of sources you get your visions from but I suggest you go and factcheck them
A hacksaw or Angle Grinder can fix that SSD bracket in 2 minutes :D
A plasma cutter will chop it in 10 seconds, and the bonus is that it's way more fun.
@@d00dEEE With the cost of a single plasma cutter you can buy two or more NvME drives!
@@georgereiss5494 Probably more than two drives, but tell me, deep in you heart don't you really want a plasma cutter?
@@d00dEEE Absolutely, would love to have one in my DIY kit.
Wait till I bring my axe
Thank you for the English videos. Liebe Grüße von Bonn.
I caught you.
Excellent review Roman! Bang on with the thermal pads and grating (or dust filter) over the rectifier heat spreader. They need as much cooling as they can get. We water-cooled ours (ROG Rampage 5 Edition 10). We believe cooling is extremely important at the rectifier junction because it ensures a cleaner and more accurate DC voltage elsewhere. Check out the differences with an oscilloscope at too hot of a rectifier vs a water-cooled. Great job!
whats up with the fox emoji at the 9 minute mark? :)
Just got a zenith extreme omega with all accessories and box for less than half its retail price. Pretty happy with that. Have that board and a x299 DARK to play with. Happy camper here
@Martin M I have the x299 and x399 zenith alpha/omega boards and they are both likely dead ends. Same can be said for everything in the market at the moment. Z390 dead end.. x570...likely dead end maybe one more gen...maybe??
Thanks for this very detailed review. I just suffered an Asus Rampage IV Gene failure so I am looking into a replacement and given my ROG Strix Vega64 x2 cards, I looked to this board. Thanks for the reminder to look at current rampage boards. Please keep giving reviews like this. It helps a great many users like me that understand just enough to be dangerous (some some times to ourselves) to make better, informed decisions.
Will you make a video about the Encore ? Im curious about all the differences the Encore might have with the Omega.
The vertical m.2 placement is a really good idea. It would have been even better to use this for all the m.2 slots on the board and put them all aligned so they eat only one PCI-E slot instead of two or even three here. Look at the massive surface eaten by the m.2 heatsinks. This surface could have been used for additional or longer PCI-E slots. Frustrated VFIO user here, but each to their own I guess.
Curious when are you going to do a Cascade Lake review with the Asus X299-E Gaming II Review that you promise back in October? It hasn't been uploaded yet? I know most online reviews are bad but I like to see your two-cents on the issue der8auer?
@de8auer is it safe to delid 10920x with the delid tool without knocking off smd's like the 99xx series?
der8auer, will you also be doing a teardown/review of the upcoming X299 Rampage Encore?
Just fyi if you have this board you need to go into the bios and manually set the duty cycle for the VRM fan. It should spin at quite a high speed constantly if you want it to.
With the thermal issues nvme drives can have maybe burying m.2 ports under chipset coolers and between pci-e slots just isn't a good design. There were those dimm.2 riser cards a few board had which seemed like a decent solution. I suppose it does make boards wider so sticking to pci-e risers seems practical.
Why do you reference the TDP “W” if it is an arbitrary number? Is there a purpose or use of that spec that you are aware of? I’ve been trying to understand TDP for a while now and am ready to believe it is made up by marketing.
Cool lights on the wall in background. What brand are those?
Bump
I think they're nanoleaf canvas
Vertical M.2 looks cool, would be nice to have included one for each size.
Can probably just cut it
Vrm's do matter on x570, the lower end msi motherboards thermal throttle if they don't have direct air flow
I've been looking for that pen!
Intel Optane M.2 drives like the 380GB 905P drive are the long form factor I think. Some server grade SSDs are also that long to have space for enough tantalum capacitors, to do power loss protection.
In your testing of the temperature / power draw - what was the state of the CPU? I don’t really understand, did you over click the CPU and if so what voltage and cpu ratio did you use? If I missed it sorry, I was watching on my phone and didn’t see it
Do you guys think that X299-E gaming (V1) will get Cascade Lake bios update? or for obvious marketing reasons they won't do it to force buyers to get v2 ?
How did you obtain this mobo? Did you buy it from a store? Or did ASUS send you a working model of this board?
i think the vertical m.2 mounting looks ugly, BUT is highly functional. think about it. airflow is far better for m.2's. especially with gen4 which throttles without good airflow. and most likely your other m.2 on the board, wont be used as much unless in raid.
yes that's why I performed the testing so people can easier decide what is important for them :)
Roman what do you think about the ASUS Prime X299 Edition 30
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Hi Roman, I agree with most statements, however when you say that there's finally a decent X299 board I must disagree. What do you think about EVGA X299 Dark, MSI MEG Godlike boards. VRM wise they're over engineered, even for the 18 core CPU's.
Kind of. The X299 Dark was originally annoucned with a different heatsink. After VRM Desaster it was delayed for several months to make a new heatsink. I think there is no X299 Godlike?
@@der8auer Ah X299 godlike was only teased, I was confused with another board. The 2 boards that were indeed delayed but then released and reviewed positively by a lot of people are the X299 Dark and X299 Taichi XE (which was also re-released). Only issue of the Dark imho is that it's catered to pure OC performance and lacks some luxury features that other boards of same price category have like 10GE and built in Wifi+BT.
Or the ASUS Rampage VI Omega.
X299 dark is better than x299 Asus Omega & Encore.
Good to watch a review that’s actually a... review ... and analysis.
For some reason RUclips recommends me your German video's way more than the English ones... despite the fact I only speak English...
He uploads them back to back, usually the German video first. The RUclips Algorithm doesn't like that, and will only promote the first video uploaded.
Happy to see 2.5GbE on many new boards.
@Martin M There are routers, switches, and NAS that have 2.5, 5.0, and/or 10 Gb ports now, and some internet plans are getting over 1Gb. It is good future-proofing on a new mobo purchase.
That vrm arm sits right over the LAN IC it looks like, could really benefit if they put a pad on it :(
TEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED EIGHTY EX Y
Fits perfectly to a Iphone 11 Pro Max 512Gb
I just call it the Ten Nine Eighty X. E. ... it's really not that hard.
Literally the same amount of syllables as the 2080 TI... don't remember anyone moaning about that.
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE Why not say it like a calendar year Nineteen-Eighty X E? Sounds like the setting of a Mad Max movie.
lol
I saw that heat pipe right away thats how a VRM should be cooled lol
What do you mean "too late"? The new CPU's aren't even out yet....
lol, depends on the definition of 'new', and it is yet to be seen just how much 'new' there is for them.
@@Zarcondeegrissom They've obviously had some changes otherwise they wouldn't have performance improvements over the previous incarnations.
They are iterations on a previous design, but aren't many things in the consumer world? Do you go over to car manufacturer videos and complain that their new model isn't new enough? How about a McDonald's burger? Mobile Phone? Gaming Keyboard?
"performance improvements" is yet to be seen, cuz it's still under NDA. As for 'not much' I agree. most roomers seem to hint at this being the 8th gen or 7th gen Xeon dies repackaged and rebranded as consumer parts with the low-TDP server limits removed for higher clocks. I think the biggest change is the prices, and I would be surprised if the performance was drastically better than the dif between the 6700k and 7700k (between the 9th gen x299 and 10th gen x299 parts). with x299, and this is x299, not a new socket, at least they're not charging 2 grand for only a 200MHz boost over the 9'th gen parts.
As for the car thing, no I don't, and in fairness, I do think most cars have more changes between years of the same model, than intel's been doing to the cores between generations since Sandy. +200MHz from a refinement of the wafer process, is not a major change to the circuit layout of the cores, it's just a wafer process refinement that lets the same core clock higher.
Is it a new Core(tm), I really don't think so. looking at a few 'vulnerabilities' discovered over two years ago that let a program read the data from the ALU output register (or output buffer latch) from a previous execution of a neighboring SMT thread running on the same core. A simple 3 transistor circuit that cleared the output register when the task was swapped to the other SMT thread, would eliminate that threat. 3 transistors, that's all it would take to fix that. Has that been fixed yet at the hardware level, if so, then intel is being really quiet about it. Let's just say, I have doubts that the 'new' is that new.
Ah yes a fellow R34 fan. What do you think about the Vspec ii Nur?
X299 platform launced june 2017, so its 2 years in the market not three as you mention, the other issue id like to metion is that i dont understand the so called "issue" with vrm cooling that you are refering to again and again
I have X299 platform day one, i ve tested many cpus asome mine some not, the only issue i found was only on skylake-x 7**** series that the cpu temp was out of control if not delided BUT the refreshed skl-x 9**** series which is soldered is MUCH better...
But the vrms which on asus boards are 120 ceclius degrees rated, NEVER exeded 70 dfegrees even at 5ghz in a 24/7 stablegaming rig 1.32vcore.....of course with a custom watercooling
But the vertical mount was only x1 so it's not that fair to compare those temps right?
Great review Roman,thanks !
weirdest way to mount an m.2 ? uh ? no that was the ORIGINAL way to mount an m.2 actually and one that makes 10x more sense because having an m.2 generating heat below your gpu that also generates heat and cutting almost all airflow to the nvme is the worst design ever (not even talking about motherboard space), vertical m.2 at the right of the board places it in front of your front panel fans helping it's cooling
(since in all recent motherboard they force that garbage placement on us, mount your system nvme below the gpu or if you can't because the system nvm should be in the upper slot then mount your gpu in the bottom pcie even if it's 8x only that way my 970pro idles at 39°C and when working only to 59°C compare that to yours)
Do you think the Strix could handle the 9990XE
How about the MSI x299 Creator (new one) would love to see how that does
Is this board worthy to upgrade if you already have x299? I have the 7900x delidded and a rampage vi.
If you have a Rampage, then no. Keep your setup, it's not enough of a change to upgrade from a $600 board.
Hi great review, one question tho, how do you get to the CMOS battery to replace it?
Did it die out?
@@superfly4137 Hi no not yet but just wondering how I'm going to replace when it does, I contacted ASUS and they were no help they just told me to take it out and replace it, big help isn't it? but I was wondering maybe its a rechargeable button battery
@@teacx2000r i just bought the same mobo. I hipe it lasts for a long time. My previous one was asus x79 sqbertooth tuf…lasted 10 years
would you get the ASUS ROG STRIX X299-E GAMING II or ASUS ROG RAMPAGE VI EXTREME ENCORE?
@der8auer i know that AMD has better ipc but we should be able to overclock to higher frequencies with the intel chips with bigger radiators. thats what i would like to see.
I wonder how hard it would be to find an ES sample of the 10990xe...
Why don't they use a proper heatsink fro the VRM and make the IO shroud part of the heatsink?
In my opinion ... I think Asus should just use some kind of sliding mechanism to adjust the length of the M2 adapter to make it look nice at whatever length you set it
There is also One issue with this board (and the Prime X299 Edition 30
also has this) and I am pretty confident that somebody from Asus has been sleeping on the job or at least has had no connection with the graphics card department for the last 10 years .... The PCIe X1 slot location right underneath the Primary X16 slot ... and then an empty space ...
This makes that 1X slot pretty much useless since all graphics cards are all dual slot
So My Issue would be fitting 2 GPU's + 1 Thunderbolt Card (Believe these are 4X) and my TI Firewire PCIe 1X card ... Probebly have to look at other boards for an upgrade I think
It's strange but it seems anything to do with X299 platform the issues always seem to be heat problems.
Is there a thunderbolt header?
Great vid, thank you!
Hardtuned Represent!!!!
Can I add a thunderbolt 3 card ?
with that fan it seems a 10 years ago board and i remember when they fail after a bit causing noise and problems.
an high end board must not rely on a 4x4 fan for VRMs.
just my two cents :)
I lost the M.2 bracket for my ASUS X99-S so my 950 Pro is just sticking out of the board unsupported. Works fine though and dare I say it looks less ugly too :P
I was actually looking to do that too on my Deluxe II since the bracket comes dangerously close to my cooler. Thanks for sharing!
@@nastassia19 just remember to remove it before cleaning inside your PC or transporting it and you should be good c:
the new refresh boards are called X299X
ten-nine-eighty-x-e.Only six syllables!
(and this is more like an extended overview,not a proper RE-view.u cant really review a MB without a cpu)
Lol u should finish the video before commenting, he did test it with the 9980XE... he even reviewed thermal pad placement on the VRM and PCIe lane distribution! The absolute madman, hands down one of the best MB review I've seen on yt so far.
@@dpokor It seems u didnt watch the beginning...
Yeah... I find it funny people are whining about this name when it's the same amount of syllables as the 2080 TI. Shows all this anti-Intel sheep behaviour is just pathetic.
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE I dont think it has much to do with "anti-Intel sheep behaviour",but with the fact that people say it in a less efficient way than the six syllables i mentioned.And intel IS a company that is pretty repulsive....Just to set that straight.
Keep up the great content !!
Great board but no quad SLI, no U.2 and no TB_header. Very sad
@der8auer would you be interested in the fastest 7820x in canada (on hwbot, not verified)? i'd be willing to trade it if you're interested ... it does 5ghz on an aio and scored 2109 on cinebench r15
CPU i9 10900 yes/no 🤔
yeah, good point on the lack of airflow with some computer cases, some have worse airflow than a shoebox, lol.
Hey, if you open the lid a shoebox has excellent airflow thank you very much...
lol, like taking off the front or TG side panel of a computer case, yep.
There is still Quad Channel. Thats the point of the X299... an speaking of the 1151... just more lanes .
where is cmos battery locatiion
Did Intel just pull a pro consumer move?
rebrand ir 35201 6+1 phase 1 phase had parallel 2 mosfet per phase without doubler very typical on any asus mobo
I will be replacing my older Strix Gaming X299-E with this one. Giving my kid my 7820X and the older Gaming mobo and I guess it is either 7900X or maybe a 109xx.
The new CPU's are cheaper and more powerful, so it's a no-brainer unless they drastically drop the prices on the older CPU's.
Great better Audio on this video! great vids.. make more English please
I don't know, Roman. Some aspects of that board look rushed. Like the VRM heatsink's fan looks like an afterthought. And the goofy M.2 slot, right next to the 24 pin. Do you think you could test that same M.2 drive in the EVGA X299 DARK? Just curious, since the DARK has active PCH/M.2 cooling. Thanks for the overview. Excellent work, as always. o7
I think we all prefer to deal with x299 rather than deal with 14nm socket 3647
Im pissed off now... What happens now to my Asus X299 Rog Rampage 6 Extreme Omega now 😡
Your board is better
Isn't it a part of an NDA to not discuss the NDA specifics?
One oh nine eighty X E makes most sense to me. Regardless i think Intel is just releasing something to try and keep any amount of market- and mind-share til TR3000.
Because of 590$ msrp I'm really interested in 10900X gaming performance. Comet Lake is launching next year and if rumours are true, 10900K might be a worse choice than a 10900X. Unless they cut the price on their consumer lineup of course.
These X/XE chips are all monsters.
For gaming, the K version would probably perform better if they keep the ring bus interconnect. The X version probably uses the mesh interconnect, which is worse for gaming.
@@1idd0kun Intel says that the Mesh architecture is more efficient than Ringbus.
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE
More efficient in the sense that it draws less power. But the ring bus is better for gaming. That is pretty well tested.
Did I miss a joke with the fox emoji at 9:00 ?
I call it the ten zero nine eight xray echo to make it extra long
Can't wait to test Gigabyte's X299X.
gigabyte has trashy bios
i have z390 ultra and some z390 asus boards
Gigabyte just pile of buggy crap, despite of good hardware part
@@rulik007 that's true, their software division is honestly lacking. But I'm mostly going to test only the hardware of the gigabyte boards, can't wait for those boards to arrive in our country.
Z390 has some differences x299r no
Say it like ten nine eighty XE. ITS NOT THAT BAD of a naming scheme
Exactly... sad sheep don't complain about the 2080 TI which is literally the same amount of syllables.
i wish i had money to burn. i'd love to get into intel's HEDT line before they disappear. owell, gimped i9's for the likes of me.
20110 is for 905p
It's quite lame of AMD to pick up a naming convention for their boards that is the same as Intel. Not an Intel fan by any stretch myself, but it's really frustrating behaviour.
I find it rather childish
Deal with it, otherwise we’d be having amx trx and lgaxxx nonsense
Like the other guy said, Deal with it! Still nothing compared to what Intel did! xD
i find ryzen and epyc even more childish... zen sounds much more mature! ...that being said i quite like my new ryzen 3700x
@@GnosticOrthodoxChurch That's sockets, not chipsets.
nice R34 shirt lol
10 Tau Sand Nein Eighty X E
NEIN!!!!!
Needs 2 CPU refreshes to get a proper board on the same platform. lul.
they should have just moved a decimal, Intel Core i9 10.98XE
" new "
I prefer one hundred nine eighty xe
how many people owns 580 / 590 or vega cards with many drivers since 19.5.2 have been seen their cards having green screens , pink screens , black screens or system shut downs. updating drivers watch gpu temps also ive been amd only since ati8500 ive seen this alot my cards as soon as they start selling the next big card its like they dont care if their bricking your card forcing a upgrade even tell you if contact them they concentrate on the new cards . bought sapphire nitro+ vega card new in april got it may 1st right now strong card if i use 19.5.2 any driver newer is a toss up . it needs to be talked about google black screen vega 64 newer drivers . and not a power issue got a rm850x . one driver even dropped my boost clocks 80-100 mhz
der8auer : the problem that this VRM solution is 2 years too late is not the only problem....the biggest problem with the X299 is the fact that those are HEDT cpu-s that use MESH structure of the cores which is a slower way in terms of IPC compared to RING BUS which is used for the gaming consumer platform. In real world an i7 8700K running at 4,2 GHz is equally fast as an HEDT i7 6950 running at 4,7 GHz in terms of IPC performance in games. So for my taste it's a stupid cpu series that even 1-st gen Ryzen beast in IPC and multi-core.
You can't have ringbus and high core count as well. Ringbus only scales to 12 cores or so. Broadwell E tried this with the E5-2699 v4 and it turned out that the double ringbus setup was pretty shit for a 22 core. These HEDT are repurposed server chips and Intel used mesh to make sure they could scale to 28 cores without the deficiencies of the previous 22 cores. Besides, I'm assuming that you're criticizing mesh for being slower than ringbus for gaming, when these chips were never designed with gaming in mind.
@@rcradiator yes but Shintel is literaly promoting them as right now worthy competitors to ZEN2 architecture which has the same IPC performance in Ryzen and Threadripper cpu-s.
TUF Mark 1 WINS
Asus confidential could have been the title of an erotic movie lol
saying this is old after like what a year or 2 is ridiculous. the more stuff you get for free and the more money you make the more cockey you guys get. why don't you just laugh in the face of 90% of the people and you're subscribers :s
So... 10980xe for $949 is real? Can't believe you actually think a 3950x could beat 7980xe/9980xe/10980xe lol.
3950x woll beat even the 10980xe
@@FLASH24x Sorry lad, my 7980xe gets over 5k in r15 whilst the 3950x barely touches 4400, I wouldn't call that 'beating', maybe you should learn the products you're shilling before doing so.
04:55 the bottom slot obviously has x8 wiring.
Not so obvious. Cascade lake cpus have 48 lanes: if you don' t use m.2 slots, the ones connected to the cpu, and the motherboard layout is compatibile you should be able to make 3x16 link.
You can see the wiring there, that's what I mean. Also, it's confirmed a minute later with the Asus spec.
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No PCIE 4.0. Ok...
@Martin M yep check www.guru3d.com/articles-categories/memory-(ddr2%7Cddr3)-and-storage-(hdd%7Cssd).html in some real life cases even a 970 evo plus does better than a pseudo 4.0, this far 4.0 are good for benchmarking numbers only
computers will never become pretty. aesthetics are irrelevant.
Lol. Tell that to all the people crazy about RGB. And I think cool is the goal, not pretty.
erster
I get mildly infuriated every time he says "watt" instead of "watts" >:(
Fakeman
I think his English is very good. Nobody says you have to watch.
no need to whiteknight him and be passive-aggressive. If you could explain to me where i said i wasnt going to watch in my comment or where i implied that feel free. Stop trying to create a conflict for no reason when there is clearly no intention of one.
@@Fakeman First of all you should go to another country that doesn't speak your language and see how you do.
Second, you stated that you were "mildly infuriated" at his pronunciation of Watt. If i was infuriated at that i would leave the channel and never return.
You don't have to watch either. Say what you feel to me but Roman has my respect and he should have yours as well.
I can't tell if you are actually trolling or not. But anyone with a non-biased view would see my comment as well spirited and not serious, because you seem to think that i shouldnt watch these videos, which is downright rude to be honest. Please reconsider your wording in future comments because it makes you look silly and narrow minded, which is never a good combination lol
@@Fakeman You sure picked the right name for yourself. I couldn't care any less what you watch. Your comment was rude and that's what got me ticked off at you.
Im sorry, I like You, but I do not think You should be reviewing Intel CPus at all, because of the power draw they can only be classified as 7 8 year old cpus with, unlocked TDP, and not worth a penny nor offer any value for a 5 years build which is the amortization cost of electronics.You should not promote legacy products, unless you are representing a channel and a e shop that wants to offer vintage products.
Intel is out of the CPU industry for ever, and reviewing anything that has to do with them, can only lead to some kids into buying intel products, wrongly thinking the will be worth anything 6 12 months form now.
On top of that with Google Stadia and Amazon servers all converting to AMD echosystem before organic computers take over, it would be better talking about when We shoudl expect Intel to stop manufacturing CPUS, and how many jobs will be dropped
Just because the process node hasn't changed in a while does not mean it hasn't been improved. 14nm+++++++ is incredibly well optimised, both in efficiency and speed. The architecture is also impressive. The most direct competition for mainstream computer chips is AMD, who has the manufacturing node advantage. Despite that advantage, Intel is still competitive. It wins in some instances, loses in others. When they finally get to their next manufacturing node, Intel might have an edge again. Or not, maybe next gen ryzen will outperform next process intel. Just because a different company has the edge on performance, price, efficiency, maturity doesn't mean other companies are not worthy to exist or be mentioned.
By that logic, AMD shouldn't have been mentioned until Zen 2.
It's a disgusting behaviour to try and shove one party in the ground.
Support AMD, that's great, help them grow and advance further. Be positive about it. But bringing others down doesn't raise your favourite brand up, it just makes the market stagnate.
@@dumboy886 I do not think You have understood what is going on here...Intel, is a massive Company with massive amounts of money without a product since the last drop squeezed out lemon 7700K..... Those servers you play on, You watch YOu tube on, you comment on, those server You download ur games from, and get ur emails, are all NOW AMD and if they are not it is just becuase They are waiting for the Physical machine to arrive and replace the OLD Intel machine...this new 10 Generation Intel CPUS are ALL , the whole bulk of them UNSOLD server processors, that have been siting there for 2 fucking years hoping for a client to buy them..... You need to understand Intel is done with manufacturing CPus..... 3 4 years from now all Intel CPU support will end and they will move on to something else, same as NVIDIA will stop manufacturing GPUS and become only a software developer...DO not understand?! silicon is at the end of the road, and only architecture that can go beyond silicon is AMDs interposer 3d stacked and chiplet tech, which Intel and NVIDIA are not and will NOT capable to deliver...Intel wants to change its architecture now, and it will take them at least 5 years from today to have that ready, and they arent capable to deliver 10 NM...by the time INtel will be at 7 NM AMD will be at 1 NM, and after that its the end of silicon.
3 4 years form now there wil be new Giant companies manufacturing CPus competing vs AMD, and wil win the market even over AMD, but as for NOW intel is out of the game and there is no point into talking about their products as they are worth nothing, nor their company as it is unofficially not a CPU company anymore...get your facts straight and move on ...its 2020, not 2015 and we are moving at a waaaaaay faster pace than moores law.
Soooo, 10 series laptop parts are actual unsold 7th gen Xeons ?
Well that sounds interesting.
I'm sure the reason I didn't know about any of that is because the lizard-illuminati ufo people were just hiding the truth
@@dumboy886 Exactly that...DUDE.... wake up AMAZON AND GOOGLE are ordering ONLY AMD servers, and replacing the Intel ones as they reach they 5 year amortization.....AMD servers an offer now up tp 4 times the density, twice as much performance at one quarter of the cost
@@AbyNeon while I agree most firms probably look at AMD as a very compelling option, it's simply not possible to transform old inventory into new 10th gen part.
The architecture is different, i mean, 9000 intel procs have hardware mitigation for spectre v2. Did they just dip the chips in magic improvement potion ?
Also, if you could repurpose chips, and they wanted rid of unsold xeons, how's the shortage every been a problem?
AMD has been doing amazing work, Intel not so much... That we know of. It doesn't mean they're bad. I don't know what sort of sources you get your visions from but I suggest you go and factcheck them