William Barteldes I think it’s still a brothel, they just have the cabaret for performances. I remember there being many mentions of reserving the “bees” for “private sessions”, I don’t know about you but that doesn’t sound like they’re going into the back room for a song-and-dance.
Hydro High-Danger well in that regard it seems more along the lines of a strip club than a brothel then. Of course they had to tone down the original but I don’t think they had to go to the extent that they did.
Im still trying to figure out how the president ended up dangling off the helicopter roof in the first place Also we learned before the plate got dropped that barret has the worse accuracy for a man with a gun as an arm. He probably would’ve missed another 23 bullets. 🤣
Nick Lathrop Pretty sure they didn’t. Disney has a lot of limitations placed into Square for even just the general story of the game. Executive meddling at its finest
@@BoredOuttaMyMind facts! In experience Disney is terrible to work with if developing a game. They are so protective of their IPs yet lack the understanding of how to make enjoyable in a different medium. So for KH3, I could totally smell the Disney stench and understand why Yozora might be a thing. 2000s Disney is not the same as 2010s Disney. Yikes
I couldn't stand Aerith in the new version, it was a relief to get away from her. Whereas Jessie was genuinely endearing if a wee bit too 'quirky rawr xd'.
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher I find it interesting that I've seen lot's of people divided over Aerith. I just loved her. She and Barret were the funniest characters for me, and the most lovable
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher Replay FF7, Aerith is exactly the same as her old self. She tricks Cloud into a date, yells at Cloud and Reno to not step on the flowers, gets pissed when they did, talks back to her mother, slips out of the house and forces Cloud to go save Tifa through Wall Market, teases Barret when he's at his lowest point etc. You've merely forgotten about what FF7 actually was and replaced all your memories with clouded nostalgia, in fact Aerith's dialogue is even more accurate to her OG Japanese dialogue and the OG translation was not accurate enough.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat then I prefer the alternate translation. Don't know what else I can say. Maybe the character wasn't as interesting as I remember?
so this is why Cloud wasnt in KH3... ohh he is now busy doing shit in another space time dimension somewhere... and Squall wasnt either, so maaayyybe he is too in a future FF8 remake, huh... this plot twist would work waaaay better in that game with all the time traveling stuff
@@Sacrengard Hahaha I love it. Nomura is building a shared universe now. All of FF and KH is going to become crammed together somehow. In the end all the heroes are going to assemble through some portals and fight the villains and then even Dissidia will be canon.
I don't know if it's a parallel universe, rather, the impact that destroying the arbiter of fate. If you look at the one scene where all the whispers blow up and turn to light when Zach survives...it ultimately changed fate front to back. So I don't believe there is a multiverse, it's just 1 timeline but the actions have affected the timeline of the past as well.
@@TypicallyUniqueOfficial But as he mentioned, the Stamp on the bag was a different dog from the Stamp we followed throughout the game, indicating it might be a different reality
@@TypicallyUniqueOfficial no, it is a different timeline. If Zack was still alive then Cloud would not be the same cloud, and he prolly wouldn't have been in the same team as Aerith and the gang. The same events would not have happened if that was the same timeline.
What he’s saying is, Jeremy said that square Enix doesn’t show blood because think of the children, yet straight after this he shows footage of crisis core where Zack is laying in a pool of his own blood which is something that square Enix did. So yes square Enix is in fact capable of doing that stuff.
I get they edited it to keep China happy since their laws are so strict/weird ( swearing an suggestive themes are okay but not blood....) I wish they just released 2 versions of the game though, an unedited version for everywhere else in the world where a hallway full of blood, not lame glowing purple Jenova goop, is considered tame and fine, and the Chinese version could have the blood edited out... Other games have made edited versions for certain countries in the past..
It's apparently because of the copyright issues with the song "Why" in the game. It's only in the end, they could just cut it out. I want crisis core on psn
The fate plot twist is this: Sephiroth knows the meteor won't work, so instead he found out how to breed a golden chocobo to get the Quadra magic materia and knights of the round to off his enemies and take the planet.
Yeah I never understood the view point that Shinra destroying the reactor under cuts those moments. Avalanche THINKS they did it and hold that guilt either way. It does not diminish their effects of the destruction on jessie and tifa specfically at all.
@@TheDarkEmporer the creators want to antagonize shinra. they wouldn't want their heroes be "truly" terrorists. even if their world thinks avalanche did it, they want us, the players, to think that we're still playing as the good guys.
@@HappyCloud1995 I hope you're alive too, although "to be Fair," this discussion implies the Lifestream's got some wicked wi-fi. On a side note, what is it with the pizza stuff in Midgar? Plus I don't recall seeing pizza actually advertised or sold anywhere in the game. But it's the great metal pizza pie in the sky-town, Jessie's entire family are pizza masters, "pizza" may or may not be some sort of innuendo amongst the poor actresses guild (she only uses the best of ingredients, don't forget)... my mind boggles. Also what's with Cloud and cats? Do they remind him of Sephiroth because of the eyes? Did you SEE all the Whispers around Midgar before the Not Last Stand (you didn't act like it) but you did seem to see the lights afterward, and and and and... *sighs* I wish I were drunk. Anyway hope you're alive, too. Hell of a fight you put up, win or lose.
Sephiroth showed meteor like 1000 times... what is the threat now?! HOLY FUCK... NOONONONONONONNONO.... HOLY SHIT... Supernova, Sephiroth is going to fucking summon Supernova not as an illusion but as an actual event
Sephiroth is more like Thanos now. Sephiroth knew he failed in the original timeline. So he puts the party into battling fate so the future will be "unknown". I just can't see how he time traveled. Or maybe it's the lifestream. Now I can't wait for part2.
The timeline clearly has changed, in the original timeline pluto is still a planet worthy of being destroyed by the super nova but in 2020 timeline its not anymore xD
Pretty much ye, defeating the fates there created an alternate timeline. Also its interesting that Cloud sees the flash in the future of Aerith dying and they say those are visions from a future that will come to pass if they don't change fate, so does that mean the main squad is now also in an alternate timeline where Aerith won´t die anymore ?
If you played the original then you know how this will end. Here is a hint: Cloud has mako poisoning, has PTSD and is not a reliable source for telling his own backstory. This is Cloud’s retelling and trust me, it isn’t what actually happened.
@@won6809 That is way too much of a stretch that dude went to the point of making up an alternate timeline where Zack is alive in his retelling of a story.
@Rosencrantz I think the remake Sephirot is the same Sephirot from FFVII original, like literaly. Dude was defeated but sirvived in the lifestream, eventualy reformed himself and went back in time, thus spawning the wispers, and is now trying to temper with events to prevent his defeat at the hands of our hagtag band of heroes, and maybe he does not kill Aerith knowing her death screws him in the end, and also maybe Aerith eventualy sacrifices herself when she learns she has to die only much later in the story.
@@won6809 It's an alternate timeline, the biggest proof is the dog mascot. You see pictures of Stamp as a Shinra mascot across the game and during the Zack flashback, there's a bag flying across the screen with a completely different Stamp design. Keep in mind that it's only a short time between the start of FF7 and when Zack dies near Midgar, so there shouldn't be a different design.
So... The zack thing... Stay with me here, uh. When you defeat the whispers at the end of the game, it destroys them across ALL timelines, everywhere, instantly. Remember that the whispers exist outside of time and space, and are in all times, and all spaces simultaneously. The whispers are intended to keep the "true" timeline intact, and it can be inferred that they are trying to maintain this timeline EVERYWHERE, ALWAYS, including the event where Zack dies. Because the whispers are defeated, Zack can win the fight against the Shinra troops, and does. In the cutscene with Zack at the end of the game, a potato chip bag flies by with a logo of "Stamp the Dog". Now, in the main game, AVALANCHE uses the image of Stamp as a marker of safety, or of a safe path, etc. The imagery is that of a beagle or similar breed. However, the Stamp we see on the potato chip bag at the end with Zack is a completely different breed of "Stamp the Dog". The breed we see is a terrier of sorts. Having a beloved character amongst the population of midgar be two different breeds is certainly possible, as the company who owns the Stamp IP could change it up, but the ending of Crisis Core is SO CLOSE timeline-wise to the start of Final Fantasy VII's bombing mission, this seems VERY unlikely that AVALANCHE could be spray-painting images of Stamp The Dog in his beagle incarnation all over subway lines only a couple weeks after we see a fairly pristine bag of Stamp The Dog potato chips with a version of the character as a Scottish Terrier. This leads a lot of people (myself included) to believe that the destruction of the whispers fractured time, and there are now multiple concurrent timelines. Stamp the Dog is simply one of the things that are slightly different in that different timeline. (Think "Into the Spiderverse" here) We play in a timeline that Cloud saw Zack die, has the buster sword, etc. Zack now exists alongside another Cloud in another timeline where he did not die, Cloud does not have the buster sword, and Zack is the main hero. (Perhaps Zack-focussed spinoff-game???)
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher do you know anything about ff7 sure it’s out there but not that crazy compared to the older compilation stuff and nowhere close to kingdom hearts
@@user-zq4pb8qh5n sorry, what's your point? Almost all of the followup stuff to FF7 bought into the 'more convoluted = better storytelling' model and diluted the brand. Advent Children for example, outside of fan service, did nothing to advance the story or bridge the gap from the ending of the game to the start of the movie. It was visually striking but nonsensical. But sure alternate timelines and multiverses, why not? Jangle those keys, people will still buy it.
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher Say what you want and be as condescending as you feel the need to be, but many people enjoyed it and are looking forward to the possibilities implied in this game.
I believe this ending serves two functions: 1. It gives square an excuse if they decide to shuffle events around and possibly cut locations out of the remake. Otherwise I don't see how they can fit all the content into 3 episodes (assuming it is just three episodes) 2. It keeps the players on their toes and maintains tension. Now you don't know for sure how events will play out and this gives them the ability to fuck with your expectations and surprise players I feel like if square does not put too much focus on this aspect of the plot it will be good. But then this is Nomura we are dealing with. So I am hoping to God that he learned some lessons from kh and doesn't make this over the top convoluted.
Mohamed Mokhles too late. He already convoluted the Fuck out of it. Leaving Midgar is really the beginning of the adventure of for the core group. In the remake you watch midgar get sucked up by tornadoes and you fight time in the sky while getting mortal kombated through floating highways by sephiroth. This was a royally terrible ending.
@@bixhutch6274 it wasn't kingdom hearts ffs. Watch Advent Children and you will understand. Sephiroth is literally from Advent Children, he gets his black wing in Advent Children which he shows in the last phase in the final fight.
Ok this review is making assumptions it's his opinion I liked it... What I'm confused is he liked phantom pain ending but he didn't like this one... 🤷♂️
Hey Jeremy, love your work, here are your Answers: 1- Why Crisis Core isn't avaliable elsewhere? GACKT. Genesis Raphosodos has his voice and likeness made to match Japanese Singer and Actor Gackt. The part was also WRITEN for him and has major implications to the overall plot of FFVII ( Original, Crisis core and Dirge of Cerberus ) instead of paying for that or having to rework a 13 year old PSP game to change one character completely, Square Enix decided to move to a different route. 2- The timeline. It is very much a split timeline, because Sephiroth is the one trying to change fate. This is Sephiroth from Advent Children moving through the Lifestream to go back in time and alter the events that led to HIS destiny. So he is forcing the hand of Cloud and the others to alter THEIR destinies to one where They fail, and he wins. Aerith is aware that the future where they win is the one where she dies, so now she will try to guide the heroes back into that timeline. This is not a "Retelling" of FFVII, it's a sequel. 3- During the final boss battle, RED XIII has a Flashforward that is LITERALLY a scene from Advent Children movie, which is ALSO the last scene from FFVII, he then proceeds to tell them that "This is tomorrow if we DONT win today". It's a play on words he uses to not let the others know this means he knows that Aerith needs to die. The 3 big things you fight also have the weapons and moves from the 3 Enemies from Advent Children and they summon Bahamut (just like Advent Children). 4- There is a timeline now where Zack lives and Cloud is different. Cause his memories never got messed with. In that same Timeline Biggs is alive. Wedge is not alive. The Whispers of Fate kept him alive to help out, but in the shinra building when Wedge tries to interfere with Fate, they literally toss him out of a window, you can hear the glass break in the scene. Sephiroth is trying to destroy the future that he dies in, in order to alter his fate and become someone above fate itself. And if you think FFVII is just about tolkien's "Nature vs Industrial" just remember that JENOVA is literally a Shapeshifter space alien that came to earth to consume all life, and sephiroth is it's Lab Baby. FFVII is pure cosmic horror and now Sephiroth is Lavos from Chrono Trigger. Think of it this way... Square Enix took a 23 year old game and made it so that even old fans are getting ALL the fanservice they desire, while still having no clue of where the story is going to go. The Villain wants to prevent the original FFVII to happen, and the heroes will have to go through all the beats of it, while experiencing new things. They made the Old New again while still having every single element of the original in the game.
The ending of Crisis Core is just my favorite ending in any FF games. The music, while Zack fights this onslaught of Infantrymen, being bombarded by Helicopters, and the DMW slowly glitching away. The DMW was something that I kinda didn't like, I liked how it got me out of crazy situations at times, but it's to heavily reliant on luck; But the ending used a gameplay mechanic to tell a story. Zack slowly trying to hold on to the memories of his friends; Struggling to keep his mind going as he takes damage and gets weaker. Zack just basically lost everything, that's why even though he is overly positive people still like him; People just want him to catch a break. -He had to kill his mentor and friend -If you add BC he failed to save 2 of his friends -His idol burns a village and kill a bunch of people; And he is forced to fight him -He is experimented on for 4 years -After breaking free, he is constantly attacked, while he has to protect Cloud -He can't even meet his parents, because everybody knew he was naive enough to go back to his hometown -He has to fight his mentors best friend, after trying to save him - Not long after the last remaining "essence" of Angeal dies and he receives the 89th letter from Aerith stating his been away for 4 years and that she's basically given up on seeing him again And at the end his memories of Aerith was the last thing he desperately tried to hold on to. And even in death the guy still managed to smile.
I pitty you. CC ending is a joke, they should have nuke Zack from the orbit there too. Or use hungry lions, kids with spoons, use tanks, clone Rambo too. It was so dumb i could not belive it, 200 soldiers with guns vs 1 man. That is why CC is dumb trash.
@@LakrimaProject You don't have to, these are very subjective. SOLDIERS are basically Supermen, and Zack is basically as strong as Sephiroth at this point. Beating Angeal and Genesis (Who was using the lifestream). The music is great, the use of the DMW is great and it's a good end for the story of Zack.
LakrimaProject Beyond the point that you shouldn’t “pity” someone just because they enjoyed something you didn’t. Just makes you sound like a jackass :/
@@LakrimaProject You have to see it from the mechanics point of view. In the FF7 universe guys with sword often fight bullets and can take them, usually because they are genetically modified since before birth. 200 solderers with guns vs 1 guy with a sword makes sense - he can take quite a few dozen of those no problem, but in the ending not only they are in the hundreds, but they have surrounded i.e. fire from all sides so he can't fully protect himself and you still see how he takes the bullets as usual, but they are so many that he can't deflect all that lead and that's why he's _slowly_ dying and very bloody in the end, it literally takes an army to take down just one of these elite 1st Class Soldier sword-wielding guys.
Square Enix has created an environment that where everyone is scared that just because the characters killed the very living embodiment of fate, characters can be saved. ....until they don't. I'm not saying that IS their intention. But there's something in the back of my mind that they want "the death" to be emotional impactful again, so to do that, they created this possibility of people being saved. What I'm saying is...they might have us right where we want them.
WrBlPro I hope this is the case. I don’t want them to fuck with the original story, since that’s why I got the remake in the first place. I just hope it doesn’t go off the rails and if they decide to retcon the last chapter, then I’m all for that
WrBlPro I think you might be right. It could be a ploy to do two things. One leave people with a ton of questions including those who’ve played the original so they’ll buy the next installment. Two create tension where people aren’t sure of the fates of characters to keep it impactful and give them enough room to alter the story so it works better on current gen consoles.
@@crono_digger it is because the only time Sephiroth had a soldier black wing was in Advent Children, he didn't have one in Crisis Core, he didn't have one in OG FF7, only in Advent Children. The whispers of fate are also in Advent Children. The final boss is literally the remnants of Sephiroth at the end of Advent Children. (like come on they fuse into Behemoth, you cannot be more on the nose then that)
Except nomura isn’t the writer of this, the writer is the og guy that wrote ff7 and also yes he is the director but he executive producer is litteraly the guy with more power than the director in Japanese productions so saying it’s nomura’s fault is kinda stupid
@@federicofilippini6780 Ignorant people blaming Nomura as usual. First it was that he was incompetent even though he directed two commercially and critically successful games that released in a span of a single year and 2 month or so and now it is that he fucked up everything smh.
@@federicofilippini6780 Except if you went on to read Kitase's post launch interview, they directly say that the whole ending sequence and storybeat is them giving Nomura free reign to do what he wants -- it's literally said by Kitase that this is Nomura's additions.
@@experience_point6233 Except if you went on to read Kitase's post launch interview, they directly say that the whole ending sequence and storybeat is them giving Nomura free reign to do what he wants -- it's literally said by Kitase that this is Nomura's additions.
After watching MaximillionDude talk about it on a couple or spoiler casts, it really made everything make sense to me. The remake isn't about the game itself, but the story within the meta.
Square pulled a fast one and actually managed to release an FF7 sequel after telling everyone it's a remake and no one found out until the release. Absolute madlads.
I'm really excites for this change. This time it feels like the characters are actually driven to kill Sephiroth, in OG they are like, 'Midgar sucks, lets bounce, also Sephiroth'.
@@awinterblazettrpg But does that one improvement make up for all the other changes? I dont think so. The problem was that in the original it was already proven Sephiroth was a deadlier threat and needed to confirm if he was alive.
@@kevinvu5432 I think of it this way....original Sephiroth was playing checkers and he was going straight to be kinged all while being watched by someone enforcing the rules on the game and Sephiroth loses every game. This Sephiroth is now playing chess AND he is aware of potential moves the group members are going to make. And the rule enforcer? He tricked Cloud into stabbing him in the throat. Sephiroth is now playing a game where he knows the groups moves, knows where he needs to move his pieces to accelerate or change his plans. We are currently dealing with a Sephiroth playing his finale game and a group who now has to try harder than ever to stop him. The stakes are at an all time high.
@@kevinvu5432 thats the thing, I think the story is going to be pretty similar, I think Sephiroth urging Cloud forward is going to change the speed at what events play out. Like....what if we get the weapons coming out of the Earth next game? They wreak havoc while, Sephiroth is twiddling his thumbs in the background. Stuff like that. I think they are going to still honor the og story. Now we just have a lot more at stake and Aerith is gonna have to suck it up and tell us about the future in order to stop ReSephiroth. Aerith clearly knows about future events and the group is gonna be furious when they find out she is holding back.
I’m not crazy about the Whispers, but I do like how they are giving you more depth to the Cloud/Tifa relationship. You can really see how both of them are dealing with their PTSD.
Yes that's right. People who hate the time travel like us get mocked as "purists" as if we want things to be 100% the same when we are totally open to more exploration and more depth which only adds to the lore.
@Rosencrantz I understand some people apprehension, but there are also some who are jumping to conclusions and are hating so hard. Likely many of them were predisposed to hate this game no matter what. It also bears mentioning that Nomura didnt write this game, although did have some level of involvement. Also Nomura is the man who is responsible for aeriths death in the original, which is the heart of ff7. No matter how wack Nomura can get, I cannot see him, nor see the team as a whole, letting aerith live.
Anyone who wants zack’s old voice actor back... ...Is my new best friend 😤, sorry new Zack , but out of all the new voice actors, (except for George newbern as my fav Sephiroth) he is the only one that is a downgrade.
I think he saying that since the Whispers of Fate where destroyed then that means they never existed to keep their current timeline the way it was meant to be in the original game's timeline. So since they were destroyed, their timeline morphed to what it was supposed to be. So when they leave the portal they enter a "different timeline." So theoretically, in that timeline, there is a Cloud with a Buster Sword from the newly renovated "original timeline" and a Cloud that wasn't affected by the Whispers of Fate and lives in that time without a Buster Sword and with a Zack that's alive. Either that or they just created another separate timeline where they will intersect at some point. It's either one of those two options. But I'm leaning towards the first because Aerith obviously sensed Zack when they walked past each other. Either that or she sensed another timeline was created.
@@SpiraLnEmisiS I feel it is more of the second. We will have a moment where the two timelines could converge and Arieth will reconize a timeline where her lover is still alive and will have to choose to correct this one she is in, or go to one where Zack is alive.
They are the representations of purists trying to keep the games plot the same as the original. Now that we killed them and sephiroth absorbing them, all bets are off. We don't know what the sequels gonna be like now.
There are a lot of interesting theories about FF7 Remake. Here are some of my favorites: -Notice how Sephiroth's wings are black. Not only does he normally not have a wing at that point but at the end of the orignial it was white. The black wing Sephiroth comes from Advent Children. -When cloud get's his "head aches", later in the story he also grips his left arm... the same place that has Geostigma in Advent Children. -The three whisper bosses in the end are Kadaj, Yazoo, and Loz from Advent Children. Who once again summon Bahamut. -FF7 original ends with all humans permanently dead (confirmed by Square). It's no good for Sephiroth or anyone else. Sephiroth is using that to lead them to break fate to save themselves, which also frees himself. Just like in the original, Sephiroth is manipulating Cloud & co. to achieve his own ends. -The remake is a sequel in the perspective that your in a new timeline trying to fix what happened in the original. -Zach is very likely not alive in their timeline, but a different one (who knows how that will play out). The Cloud that we know's timeline still needs for Zach to be dead... otherwise Cloud as we know it wouldn't exist. He wouldn't be the Fake because Zach never left him w/his legacy. The bag of chips showing stamp in Zach's scene shows a different Stamp, indicating a different timeline. It's even less likely for them to have landed in Zach's timeline otherwise there are 2 Clouds, Tiffas, Barrets, Reds, and Aeriths. That would be truly nonsensical.... even for Square-Enix -Aerith is most likely still going to die, but this time it will be worse. Everyone thinks there's a chance at saving her but Aerith knows it needs to happen. Cloud will assume he can stop it since they changed fate and Zach may even be involved so he can suffer through it too this time, assuming he finds his way to being relevant in the story. Sephiroth loves destroying what Cloud holds dear and nothing hurt him more than Aerith's death. Leading him to think he can save her is just another head game... and if he succeeds it actually helps Sephiroth. -Original FF7 story has a direct connection with time manipulation via materia... knowledge of the ancients via the lifestream on how to manipulate time is right in step with FF7 lore. -The 7 seconds at the end of creating is referring to the same time it takes for Sephiroth to kill Aerith. That part of the story is also playing the same song. It would make sense for Sephiroth to try and lead Cloud into stopping the event that crushed him... which is actually in Sephiroth's benifit. -Cloud supposedly attempts Omni Slash at the edge of creation, but since this Sephiroth has already seen it before he's able to block/avoid the whole thing. -By the end of Remake it's clear Aerith is far more aware of what's going on than in the original... including her need to die. Hence the chapter 14 resolution where she tells him that he can't fall in love with her. She's probably aware what her death does to him.
I agree with everything you've said except for the 7 seconds, I think it's more of a doomsday clock thing. Him telling cloud how seriously close the end of the world is. You know like when scientists say its 10 minutes to midnight on the doomsday clock kind of thing.
It's actually said in game what the 7 seconds are, in the Story section when you open your map in Chapter 18. "7 seconds before the end of the world", not exactly quoted but it's about the worlds demise.
His wing was never white in the original...his wing was always dark, even as Safer Sephiroth, it's a dark brown/red wing that replaces his right arm and the wing actually came from Kingdom Hearts first, then made its way into Advent Children.
I just finished my first playthrough a couple hours ago, and personally I'm just really excited for it. I know I'll get to see all these characters I love brought more vividly to life than ever before. We're going to get to see all of these scenarios and places in a whole new light. And!.. I don't actually know what's going to happen. But at the same time, the original version still happened, and it impacts this version of events all throughout. It's not just a reboot. I'm excited. I just hope enough people decide to go along for the ride that I might get to see it all play out.
I think zack dies in the rain in ff remake's world since cloud has his sword, but he lives in another timeline, since the dog bag is different so kind of saying it is another reality
The whole point of people assuming that the game was literally just going to be an updated PS1 game and getting this is exactly how I felt. I doubt anyone expected a random sequel all of a sudden instead.
Zack is alive but in a different time line, has everyone forgotten the different dog mascots already for shinra? There is only supposed to be one dog mascot in our game run as mentioned but in Zack's cut-seen at the end we see a different one. Jesse is also alive as she left her glove and red headband next to biggs at the end as well.
everyones so eager to shit on the future of the new franchise, but I think we're just getting a multiverse the same way comic books have been doing for years
I think the headband and glove were just mementos. If Jessie was alive, she would be recovering at her parents' house instead of at the orphange with Biggs, most likely.
Honestly, I don't know why they didn't just bring back Rick Gomez. His work was phenomenal, and he understands the character. I don't care whether it's the new VA's fault or the voice director, the end result is that FF7 Remake's Zach sounds more like Sonic the fucking Hedgehog.
They're basically doing what Hideaki Anno is doing to Evangelion. The first eva rebuild movie followed the original story and then the other 2 movies went on another direction.
So, there's a chance she definitely got saved. We apparently can see her gloves and headband when we see biggs and wedge alive, and she had a whole subplot about the gold saucer and being a singer. I'd bet real money we get some kind've resolution on that in part 2.
No, Jessie was a creep that harassed Cloud, who clearly showed no interest. If she wasn't as cute, everyone would see her behavior as inappropriate. But no, she is a cute girl, so it's ok if she does it.
As someone who didnt play the original i can imagine the frustration of changing the story for veterans. I hope they don't lean on fate and time shit to much cuz that can get messy real quick, and i loved the story so far for its original plot. But it does also excite me that I might experience brand new things alongside those veterans when the next installments come out. Also yeah I was the guy who said "who tf is that?" when Zack showed up.
Well they have to make It a central plot, otherwise would be ridiculous that in the first game of the series you kill fate and it never get mentioned again.
@@toribiogubert7729 while it might get mentioned again I doubt it will be a central plot element. With the arbiter dead there isn't any real need to keep investigating it
Relax, even for us veteran players, our first reactions to Zack were also “Who tf is that?” It wasn’t until I watched someone play Crisis Core that I learned more about him and I really liked him as a protagonist.
@@troublemaker574 so why to put it on the first game? Well we know why, but it didn't strike as bad writing? Don't you think is pretty shady to sell a game as a Remake and in the last part of it made huge changes like thoose?
Barret and dyne! One of my favorite side stories. In that scene where elmyra was talking about aerith not being her biological daughter the camera pans to show barret relating. Cant wait till they explore more of that plot!
I think the whole "changed our fate" thing is related only to this part of the remake. The arbiters of fate are gone now. The entire game was basically a way for Square-Enix to tell us, "There ain't no gettin off this train we're on... just kidding, this train transformed into a space ship and it can go wherever the f*ck it wants." These arbiters were just a way to condition us players to accept any and all changes Square-Enix might make from here onward. It's actually a genius way of doing this. Imagine how much rage the entire fanbase would have if they changed any major part of the story WITHOUT the entire premise of "changing your fate" from this part of the story? They preemptively stopped our bitch fits by doing this. I got the message loud and clear. This is NOT the FF7 I thought was coming. I have NO IDEA what might happen now, and honestly, that is REALLY exciting.
Yeah ngl I was relieved when the arbitar of fates actually died, when I seen one of the whispers save barret from seperoth stabbing I was worried they were possibly going to keep them in to save aerith later down the road
Not sure how i feel about this whole thing. On one hand I really like the idea of FF7 going of in another direction. On the other i REALLY wanted a actual full remaster.
@@mmcv9679 but the whispers wouldn’t have stopped Aerith from dying. I forget where but they say that the whispers aren’t serving them they’re just trying to let the original timeline happen so they would have let her bite the dust
yoo i've read at a comment section somewhere, there was this crazy theory sephiroth went to the trouble of going back to the past with him going with his plan B to fight cloud his plan B was a break dance match against cloud but he saw what cloud can do in the honeybee on the remake and now he is in trouble that's why he is so desperate on destroying the fate (dementors)
Here's my theory: The game we bought is Final Fantasy VII: Remake. Remake is the name of the first episode. When you think about it, it's a really appropriate title since in the game they're remaking the timeline and the game clearly wasn't a remake and I think Square did this for us to realize when they release Final Fantasy VII's second episode whatever it's titled (FFVII: Unknown Journey for example). They did confirm it was episodic so it'd make sense for it to have a title and also remake would be a genius title in itself when you really think about it. Let me know what you think!
So, false advertisement. No one wanted a fan fiction sequel to the original. People wanted the classic storyline just with modern graphics and gameplay. Don’t fix what isn’t broken.
@@Domination1799 so did you not enjoy the game? Or was it just the resolution? Because if you wanted a 1:1 remake of the original, you wouldn't have gotten a 5 hour portion of the original fleshed out into 30+ hours. Changes were inevitable, maybe not as crazy as what transpired, but calling it false advertisement is ridiculous
dmxfactor The ending and dementors make this game not what FF7 is about. It was never about stopping fate or any of that KH’s crap. It also is padded out to the point that the flow of the story feels dragged out. I don’t mind altering some things. But you can’t change the framework of the plot and call it a remake. They also said that this game would be very faithful to the original and that’s not true when the story is a retcon.
Dominik Santiago I think it’s a touchy subject. I think a 1:1 remake would’ve been bittersweet because while the term “don’t fix what broken” is more or less true for a lot of things, I don’t think it applies to a 20+ year old game, the technology is so much more advanced and they proved they can do much more now so I say let them expand on this universe and amazing story and I’m sure it’ll continue to make a lot of fans happy. I’m sure with time things in the story will make more sense just give it time and have some faith.
Gabriel Zombei I don’t know if I can be on board for this. The reason why FF7 is so special for me anyway is because it’s a tragic story of a group of people who are beaten down and lose those closest to them. No matter how much they lose, they sacrifice everything in order to save the planet. One big example is that they changed the impact of the Sector 7 plate dropping. You lose most of your AVALANCHE crew but here, there alive and kicking. The biggest one for me other than the dumb time ghosts is the man himself Sephiroth. Instead of looming in the background and mentioned in passing, he just shows up randomly a lot, eliminating the eerie ness of his first appearance which is when he massacres the Shinra building. Fans wanted the original story, not Nomura’s KH’s.
@King Greed That's fine but if you replace it with confusing plot and bad writing then many people aren't going to be very happy. A lot of changes are widely approved of by the people who are being accused of wanting the exact story all over again. The drastic difference is pretty clear, some were faithful to the tone, themes and main plot of ffvii, were widely regarded as well written and added rather than subtracted from the storyline. And then there are the others, that weren't many of those things if any, and only detracted from the story and cause much confusion.
@King Greed New twists are fine if it's done well. It is not done well in this game. And what's the point of changing the story of the original when you can just make an entirely new game with the same premise? Completely unnecessary. And stop with the ''go play the original'' it just makes you sound like even more of a jerk because you can't accept that people have a problem with this game. We already know the original exists. Square tried to fix something that wasn't broken.
Just beat it. I loved it, and yeah, it’s different, but it’s cool getting something familiar and new at the same time where we don’t know where it’s going. Side note, I’ve seen people blame Nomura for the changes, but to my understanding, he actually wanted to keep it the same, and Kitase (as in, the original writer) was the one who wanted to make something new of it. Either way, I’m totally down with this and I’m excited for more.
i agree, but i trust them because imo they did a phenomenal job with this one if they keep the same quality for the next games i’m completely down for it🙂
@@devilmostdie Agreed. I am super impressed with what they did with this game. The cinematography, lighting, music, voice acting, cutscene direction etc were all spot on. I have much faith in what they bring in the next game. I haven't felt this "Final Fantasy" feels since FFX.
The Zack scene could be one of Cloud’s memories. His mind is messed up and some of his memories are not his own. The tell-tell sign would be the different Stamp on the Flyer and Zack being alive. Whispers=ghosts of the Cetra=the spirits in the temple of the Ancients. The spirits in the temple of the ancients protected the temple in the OG and Aerith was able to communicate with them. In this game they gave them a bigger roll in protecting the planet, by protecting Aerith and anyone who is with her, because she has the key to save the world. The whispers were trying to keep them from pursuing Sephiroth by creating a vortex, making it impossible to go down the road and tearing up the road, fighting them, showing them visions of what could happen if they do, because they can’t speak. And Sephiroth provided the portal and gave you a little taste of what he is capable of. All the scenes of Sephiroth and Cloud are Sephiroth manipulating Cloud’s mind including where he is and what he sees. Make sense?
I was thinking "bout to hit shinra, yeah I've played the original, in sure I know what's going on." "Ok so a portal opens up...*pauses video* Imma head back to the game.
Im a crisis core fan, so seeing Zack at the end kicked my heart in the balls, man. (Although, out of every va change, his was the one I liked the least)
Yeah, whats the point of showing some another timeline? I reaaaally hope there will be no time travel bs... I hope they only show it to hint anything can happen from now on. I'm ok with things going different way than original, but please don't make it into Kingdom Hearts level of storytelling.
Well SE tend to show post-game stuff that hints at their next side game or DLC like with Kingdom Hearts. My guess would be we'll get a Remake DLC exploring what would have happened during the Midgar section of FF7 if Zack had survived where you play as him. In Crisis Core they develop Genesis' character a lot, and Deep Ground take away his corpse at the very end. In Dirge of Cerberus Deep Ground surfaces from below Midgar and in the end scene Genesis is revived. In FF7R we got hints of Deep Ground and even explored it a bit, meaning the plate falling has uncovered it years earlier than it did originally in this timeline. We'd have time to explore that further in Zack's DLC (I'd assume he'll die at the end of it maybe from Roche and that timeline will close) but we as the player will know what's going on in Deep Ground now so it can be dealt with later on in a future episode. It's a good way of doing exposition for something big that's coming later. Personally I'd love to have Genesis involved during the original FF7 timeline trying to also stop Sephiroth.
There is none. Defenders will say he dies in the rain shortly after the scenes but the order of events were shown deliberately. 1. Zack is shown in his final battle with the whispers who transcend time watching over his fate (and surrounding midgar.) 2. The party defeats fate. 3. Zack is shown living while the whispers are defeated across all of time. To say it suggests anything but Zack's fate changing and a split in timelines is ludicrous. The harbinger assessment is explicit in transcending time. The whisper assessments are explicit in saying that these entities manifested from a future timeline - giving precedence to timelines.
This “Remake” is most likely a FFVII-2, a sequel to the OG FFVII. At the end of FFVII, we see Aerith casting Holy and stopping the impact of Meteor, then seeing Aerith’s face with a Mako Particles around her. The same happens in this “Remake” at the *beginning* with Aerith looking at a busted Mako pipe like she’s seeing/ experiencing the events of the OG FFVII, through a vision. Yes this means the OG FFVII was a vision. Aerith suddenly gets up and senses Sephiroth’s presence, a familiar feeling very wrong to her, as she runs away from the busted mako pipe instead of walking away like how she did in the original FFVII (the vision). Aerith throughout the game knows of and is aware of the OG FFVII timeline but acts like she doesn’t until the very end for the sake of preserving pivotal moments in the canon FFVII timeline. However , because of the whispers, who are the planets’ defense in terms of time and space, they begin to act against her when she threatens the timeline ( example being dragged away for having no indications of leaving Cloud during their first interaction on the street, trying to stop Cloud physically from killing Reno, etc...). Sephiroth is well aware also. Appearing and messing with Cloud waaaay before he even left Midgar and talking about changing fate and destiny when he knows his original plan had failed. So in actuality this FFVII has been about a cosmic battle between Aerith, the speaker of the planet, and Sephorith, the deadly alien entity, to which I hope they dive more into personally. I’m honestly psyched for the next game.✨🔥
thats cool and all but thats also like saying that everything that came after it is also a "dream" or not real in some way, like advent children never happened and dirge of cerberus never happened and that sucks you just retconned a movie and a game out of existance AND you may also be retconning the prequels that happened before ff7 like before crisis and crisis core so...yeah final fantasy 7 "remake" a potential trilogy that may very well kill three games (four if you count how different this was from the original and you consider it killing the legacy that was build by the events of the original ff7) and one movie so yeah this game has been to say the least very divisive for the fanbase, especially to people that have been playing final fantasy games for years and consider the last good one final fantasy 10 and dont believe square has done anything worthwhile with the franchise except updating is graphics
Magus Actually...Advent Children is where the whispers predesign was first used. Look at the scene where Sephiroth appears and summons dark clouds to cover the sky. In the next few seconds pause and look at what’s on the screen. You should see black ghost-like figures that Sephiroth summoned. This explains why in the final fight he could use the whispers to defend himself against Clouds epic strike (the hit before being transported to the edge of eternity). And now that I think about I feel like the end of the fight signifies the possibility of Sephiroth going back in time with power to affect the timeline. Aerith is a Cetra, who has the power to see into the planet condition, tap into knowledge, and as well as its timeline, making it easy to see the demise of humanity 500 years after her time because of her death. People need to realize humanity was only *temporary saved* by Aerith’s death. Aerith is the protector of Gaia, her being is so strong that it stayed as it’s own entity in the life stream. Being in the livestream, she sensed Sephorith’s deadly presence and kept her distance. My new theory involves Aerith’s soul communicating to a past version of herself, warning her of this to come through the Mako pipe. Everything of my first theory’s explanation follows after. Advent Child Kinda Sucked though to be honest with you though, and I’m a FF F-A-N-A-T-I-C. I feel like it’s good to retcon, *only* if you do it right. And if the theories some how hold up...the fandom is in for a treat. I hope for Aerith finally succeeding in defeating Sephiroth from *above* the grave, save the world( comparison to Yuna from FFX) , honor her people, and restart the ancients.
Rizky Iman That’s honestly too bad because the ending of the remake confirmed that it’s not going to be the exact same story line as the original. The writers wanted to do something different for the current fans and the new audiences waiting for this game. I feel like people don’t trust game developers or anyone creativity in charge of re-delivering an og concept that they know and love because they are scarred for it being ruined. However, the og FFVII in the 1990s was created for a different audience. *And* the original people who worked on the same original are here working on this one, a power-move I so much appreciate. I like how the developers chose to remake this story choosing to subvert expectations while giving us iconic moments we dare soon not to forget. If you want to play the first game’s story, just play it dude lol. They just remastered it for switch, pc, iOS, and PS4. If you don’t like traditional turn based systems, which is a genre final fantasy *defined*, you’ll just have to wait for the newer sequels.
I'm fine with the changes really, as long as we still get to see most of the iconic scenes and landmarks, even if they are changed up a bit. I will say however that Nomura is walking a fine line here, and they just better do it right and tasteful going forward otherwise the fans will be pissed. I'm OK with changes to the story keeps it fresh. I can alway go play through the original, but change too much and its not what we wanted in the first place
This is definitely a very high risk for arguably little reward considering that the fans would have been pretty much happy with a carbon copy of the original. I think they'd only do it if they really believed they could tell something fresh and amazing. I just hope they pull it off.
It's funny, I saw it the other way. That the changes were too often cheap being either nonsensical fan service or sequel baiting, I could feel the cynicism leaking out of the screen as the spectacle of it all should be enough to bypass the worst parts. Telling an old story in a new way would've been refreshing, tightening up the holes in the original narrative, but that's where the talent comes in. That being said if this is what the core audience want great, wherever it goes, but I get the impression they'll find a way to love anything put forward. 😅
Quick talk Zack that lives is a parallel timeline with few differences. Look at the dog on the bag that blows by. It isn't a beagle like it is in Cloud and the gangs.
@@patrickmccaffrey4562 doesn't matter if the majority of the masses missed a plot point because they weren't paying attention, it was there and subtlety is almost always better.
@@patrickmccaffrey4562 Subtlety is always more rewarding. Making things clear gets you engagement from a larger audience, but subtlety rewards those who participate. I'm not saying one or the other is objectively better, they both have a purpose. I just favor subtlety when it comes to story telling in games because games are all about participatory engagement.
*Zack fangirl incoming* I LOVE Zack, he's also one of my favorite characters of all time in anything (I honestly plan on naming my future son Zack if I have one) and he is ALIVE. I absolutely agree with you on your breakdown of those scenes. It means so much to me that they (FIXED IT) brought back such a great character. I played Crisis Core multiple times, one of my favorite games, and I teared up EVERY TIME I watched Zack die. And my only problem with new Zack is as you said, the new VA. He sounds like too much of a dude bro, when he's so much more than that (HE'S A PRECIOUS PUPPY). If they kill him AGAIN, I'll be so sad. I'm super excited for the next game, and hopefully we can save Aerith too! I'd LOVE that. Screw you Fates! We savin our precious peeps this time around! Btw thank you for loving Zack too, some people are just plain crazy not to love the guy. And Crisis Core.
I cant watch this yet because I need to finish my first run through. I have LIKED the video, and I love your Reviews. Ill be back and watch it later! have a great week and stay safe everyone.
I think FF7Remake is a victim to the original's popularity. The twists and turns that were surprising in 1997 are well known and documented within the gaming community. I knew Aerith's eventual fate before I'd ever even heard of Final Fantasy. That's how well known and landmark that twist was. I'm not certain, but I'd say this defying of fate is to reestablish stakes for the story to come. Everyone playing this game will hesitate to get attatched to Aerith because they know where she's going. How does Square get you then? They give you the hope that you might save her. Now there's a chance we can change one of the darkest moments in gaming history. Therefore if she dies all the same, it won't be "oh well, it was bound to happen." It'll be , "I had the chance to save her and failed." To get even more meta, i think that this isn't just the developer's plans, i think that it's Sephiroth's plans. He clearly acts with future knowledge and seems to know the story to come. He goads cloud throughout the game with hints and visions. I think he ALSO wants Cloud to think he can change the future, only to snatch it out from under him at the last second. Sephiroth's whole motivation was to torment Cloud by the end of his story so it wouldn't shock me.
I like your explanation....Aerith sacrifice was the defining moment of FF7 though, to change it would be huge but they already made substantial changes. I actually believe though a sacrifice has to happen- it just may not be Aerith this time around, someone else may die- Tifa perhaps? If this Sephiroth really is from the future where he was defeated then he himself may not kill Aerith knowing her death was the key to his eventual downfall. I never played the original so only know the general story, as much as these arbiters of fate and time travel aspects are interesting, these sort of tropes tend to be confusing and complicated and one can only wonder, was it necessary to complicate the plot this much? Basically this game may head into Kingdom Hearts complexity, that Arbiter boss was basically a giant Darkside Heartless, Nomura's handy-work.
To be fair this is bad reasoning. As popular as the story is there are still so many new comers to the FF7 and to Final Fantasy in general who absolutely had no idea that Aerith might die along with other plot elements but now they know about it too simply because the Remake decided to flat out spoil everything by showing Aerith dead on screen as a flash forward among many other things. So just.. No. On top of that sometimes even if people know how the story will go it doesn't take away the emotional impact nor the brutality of the moment but now we have a bad case of potential fanfiction coming our way that will fall flat on its face.
Side note. Not only Spehiroth knows about future outcome, but also Aerith. It is clear if you pay attention to some of her dialogues. Imo if S-E whant to chenger her fate, why not? They already changed a lot, but there is one conditon: It must be good.
if there was a new romeo and juliet movie claiming to be a faithful retelling coming out and it goes from a story of lovers torn by conflict to space opera with time travel it wouldn't be faithful the original, just because you know they will die doesn't mean that the story isn't worth retelling faithfully, ff7 remake isn't a victim of the original's popularity since it was trying to sell copies using that popularity and thus invoked the wrath of the original and to forever be compared since it calls itself a "remake".
@@woojin214 I don't think that's the problem here, I think it's more on the censorship and deadlines that square gives them. Back in the day, we saw a blond b'tch kicking the sht out of a 11 years old girl in a kids game, now we have to look at blue blood. Nomura was known for introducing weird sht like that in great ways, that until last decade where everything started feeling rushed and out of context.
In Kingdom Hearts (another Tetsuya Nomura game) time travel/alternate timelines are a thing however, there are certain requirements for time travel you must follow. To gain the ability to transcend time, you must first cast aside the flesh and become an existence of only a heart (a formless being with a soul thus losing your physical self). -Once you gain the ability, you can never lose the ability, even if you become complete again (once you regain your orginal form you will still be able to time travel). When you move through time, in either direction, there must be a version of yourself waiting at the destination. (You must be alive in the past or future you are trying to visit if not you cannot time travel) You can only travel backwards through time once. -If you travel backwards, upon arrival, you can only move forward as per the laws of time. -YOU CANNOT REWRITE the events that are destined to happen. You can travel forward through time as often as you like. -If you travel forward, you must eventually return to your proper era. -Upon returning to your proper time, you will lose the memories and experiences you gained while time travelling. (Although you lose your memories the ability to time travel can still be done as stated by the first law) You cannot travel in both directions, you must choose one. (Either go back in time or move forward) In relation to this game maybe someone is trying to rewrite events in their favor (possibly Sephiroth) thus breaking a law of time which triggers The Whispers to make sure events play out the way they were intended to be. However, alternate timelines exist both in Kingdom Hearts as described by Luxu in his secret reports in KHIII and in this game when it is shown Zack is alive even showing an alternate Stamp art on a bag of chips indicating this isn't the same timeline.
Technically hearts are not souls. Yes, it's mind-boggling since I've always assumed that was the metaphor they were going for. I learned about this last night and unless the game corrects itself at some future point they seem like separate things. Spoilers for KH3: When Xemnas is about to strike down Lea / Axel and Xion stops him. She says, "We need him alive. You know that." Xemnas responds, "We only need his heart in order to forge the key. We do not need his soul." So they seem like completely different things. Again this is just one line, so I could be completely missing on other past context but I believe this is the most recent development on the difference between the two.
As a new player to this series with FFXV being my only other FF game. I might get some shit for this but I almost want the next games to be quite different from the original. Unfortunately I got spoiled on some major scenes in the original reading through forums and chats (but hey it's kind of difficult to avoid for a 20 year old game). I guess it's just not exciting knowing what happens in some major events I want to be able to not know anything going forward. Yea there's potential to fuck it up but I personally don't want the writers to be tied down to their own script from 20+ years ago. From what I understand from the ending it seems like they still acknowledge the original happened but still allowing themselves to create something new so to me it's more exciting that way.
Honestly, even if almost everyone and their mother knows the plot of the original game, I still think that liberties with the story shouldn't be taken so lightly. The update with the visuals and combat system alone are worth the value of the game, in my opinion. Changing the story such that Zack is alive and there's these weird dementor-like things trying to keep fate in check and the potential for alternative timelines just doesn't feel right at all. Zack's death is so integral to Cloud's and Aerith's story that keeping him alive would mess a lot of things up. Nomura's really bad with time lines and anything related to time anyways (*stares at Kingdom Hearts*).
@@jjgaming9860 The fact that this is a remake shouldn't be validation for altering a story to this extent. That'd be like if Disney decided to "remake" the OT of Star Wars, using the excuse that they're putting their own spin on it to make whatever changes they wanted. The original game's story already was good enough as it was...
@@jjgaming9860 I'd consider it more a re-imagining, if not a sequel (due to the fact that the events of the original clearly happened and Sephiroth seems to know that). over a remake. To me the way the game was, until the final chapters, a perfect remake. Expanding on the story and locations with some new characters. Once they got to the end it was no longer a remake, in my eyes. The remaining games won't even be FFVII anymore. It'll be brand new games with the same world and characters, but the story is going to be different.
Jeremy thought of something it would be really badass. The game ending with Cloud telling the events of the Nibelheim Incident to his party in Kalm. I mean... if Square wants to shoehorn Sephiroth as a final boss, that confrontation between Cloud and Sephiroth in Mt. Nibel's reactor would have been sweet
While I would like that I think it would ruin some of the story, but I guess it would be some half delusion half truth battle. Hard to say but I seriously figured Kalm would be the end point it's a good place to finish, drop some story and leave us all hungry for more
Personally it wouldve been great to pull off an Ocarina of Time: you face off Ganon in the forest temple thinking hes the real deal but you find out it was a poor imitation and the real Ganon invites you to find him. This couldve been that. But it wasnt.
I have one more thing to post...at the end of your other Final Fantasy 7 remake review...the reference to Jareth, the Goblin King..so unexpected and the first thing to make me laugh hard and out loud in a good while. That was awesome. Makes me happy to know there is someone out there with that kind of shit whirling around in their head.
2:57 EXACTLY!!!! I LOVED THAT MYSTERIOUS MOMENT RIGHT THERE and it also gave you an idea of how powerful Sephiroth was....sadly we'll never see that in the remake...
@@isakwolff5491 Is there a problem with that? I mean the game already has themes that aren't suitable for PG13 game, though that is a failure of the ranking system.
Jeremy for the love of all that is good and holy you HAVE to review the 1985 sci-fi horror movie Life Force. The state of the world right now keeps making me think of that movie for some reason.
Once I realized what was happening with the increasing frequency of flashforwards, I was along for the ride. Just finished the game about an hour ago and while there are things like certain characters still being alive and the Kingdom Hearts boss at the end that I rolled my eyes at... I still love the game and the alternate timeline thing makes me look forward to part 2.
you do remember the events of final fantasy 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8 and 10, right? also, this even the first time cloud goes through time! he does appear in ff tactics...
August Garden Sakaguchi had a lot more in say than you think. He had a talent for making likable characters. Cloud was never an emo douchebag in the original, only for the first couple of missions. He stops being a douche even inside Midgar.
you mean like only 2 party members surviving till the end fight with Sephiroth (excluding Cloud) and everyone else dying only to change in in the final product?
It wasn't Nomura that wrote the story.. Everybody has this concept that he did because he's the one mostly shown in interviews. No, it was the original writer of the game that wrote the script. Nomura has influence as the director yes but he mostly has say about what can go into the game or not, and ofc he can give his opinion. But if he gave an opinion, and it ended up in the game, that would be because the writer agreed with him. It isn't all Nomura. The writer himself also liked the change.
@@Melodyofthesea78 Not necessarily. Every theory going around is that this alternate timeline is going to be the good end so it's doubtful it'll be bad. At least that's what I'm thinking.
@@Zethrae I liked the original ending though.....I believe Arieth should still die her death set things up. It gave them a dang good reason to fight too. Good God I sound like a terrible person....I like her too but I think they should keep that part the same.
@@Melodyofthesea78 I never said the ending was bad xD I fervently enjoy the new direction as well and can't wait to see more. What I was saying is that the way the events are set up, is that the end of the og FF7 is considered the "bad end" as everybody eventually dies 500 years after the game, 496 specifically after Dirge.
I think you're giving the timeline thing more thought than the designers did. They're not interested in exploring that idea, this is entirely a narrative justification for 'we don't want to follow the script'.
I think the devs is thinking hard, if they dont want to follow the original script they could just not follow it because in a remake you dont have to 100% follow it
FINALLY, somebody who has the same mindset as me! I feel like ive been in someone else's echo chamber for the longest time, unable to find any criticism for these things!
I agree 100% with all you've said. I love bioshock and Legacy of Kain. And Kingdom Hearts as well, mind you, but Final Fantasy VII should be Kingdom Hearts and have elements like it at all. I'm okay with having changes, but they should've been done through narrative that would feel coherent to the world of FFVII. Instead, we got meta-language that goes against the narrative style of the game, that made me fall in love with the original in the first place. I'm feeling depressed.
@@marcosdheleno They absolutely had a choice and to be fair it would have been more responsible from them to add the blood and gore to this game to rank up the age rating. This game has a part where people are flat out stating they wish to forcefully impregnate a woman, flat out rape them, which absolutely is not something any children should see in their games. I can't understand how showing blood is more bad than not just implying rape but have them say it out loud on screen.
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People who don’t know who Zack is probably just thought it was Cloud before he turned super saiyan.
but it does show him carrying cloud.
Trueee
I thought it was an alternate universe cloud, so I was half right?
@@jakgff5885 no, that's pretty much it, that zack is a "what if" timeline.
jason tran no, literally not at all. Two separate characters entirely. But cloud is who he is because of Zack
SquareEnix: "Think of the children!"
Also SquareEnix: "Cloud gets to choose what kind of *hand job* he gets from Madam M"
lol clever
But they also turned the honey bee inn from a brothel into a cabaret club
William Barteldes I think it’s still a brothel, they just have the cabaret for performances. I remember there being many mentions of reserving the “bees” for “private sessions”, I don’t know about you but that doesn’t sound like they’re going into the back room for a song-and-dance.
Hydro High-Danger well in that regard it seems more along the lines of a strip club than a brothel then.
Of course they had to tone down the original but I don’t think they had to go to the extent that they did.
Its still a brothel. Look through the keyholes in the doors with interaction..definitely a brothel
Was no one else upset that President Shinra held up Barret, whilst Barrets ARM IS A GUN
Barrett gun arm was pointed down, while the president just had to pull the trigger.
@@Triggerzero0028 drop shot bro...
Meanwhile barret was my tank in battle and literally eats bullets and turns it into hp.
Barrets gun has a slow start up time and that was a cutscene so one shot would have dropped barret
Im still trying to figure out how the president ended up dangling off the helicopter roof in the first place
Also we learned before the plate got dropped that barret has the worse accuracy for a man with a gun as an arm. He probably would’ve missed another 23 bullets. 🤣
“We’re square enix, not squaresoft. Think of the children” always gets me everytime 😂
"We're Square Enix, not Squaresoft. Think of the children."
I need this as a shirt! 😂😂
SterlingK Art facts. They ruined KH3 “ think of the children”
Nick Lathrop
Pretty sure they didn’t. Disney has a lot of limitations placed into Square for even just the general story of the game. Executive meddling at its finest
@@BoredOuttaMyMind facts! In experience Disney is terrible to work with if developing a game. They are so protective of their IPs yet lack the understanding of how to make enjoyable in a different medium. So for KH3, I could totally smell the Disney stench and understand why Yozora might be a thing. 2000s Disney is not the same as 2010s Disney. Yikes
Let's make it happen!
Um some blood in the game would be nice.
Finding out Jeremy is a Zack Stan is everything lmaoo
Joshua Krueger right!? So cathartic
Kurt E. Clothier That’s fucking hilarious! 💀
Sephiroth is so Powerful that he’s trying to re-write the first game.
Not Rewrite.......Re-MAKE.
It was there the whole time right in front of us.
Lol!! Right
@@ShadowWolfRising "THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!"
@@ShadowWolfRising So it was Sephiroth that made me go on a cat scavenger hunt.
@@Exodus5K Sephiroth: That's right Cloud, CORRAL THOSE CATS!
Original FF7 : How to save Aerith
FF7 Remake: How to save Jessie
How to save BOTH, marry all 3 (Tifa, Aerith, and Jessie)
I couldn't stand Aerith in the new version, it was a relief to get away from her. Whereas Jessie was genuinely endearing if a wee bit too 'quirky rawr xd'.
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher I find it interesting that I've seen lot's of people divided over Aerith. I just loved her. She and Barret were the funniest characters for me, and the most lovable
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher Replay FF7, Aerith is exactly the same as her old self. She tricks Cloud into a date, yells at Cloud and Reno to not step on the flowers, gets pissed when they did, talks back to her mother, slips out of the house and forces Cloud to go save Tifa through Wall Market, teases Barret when he's at his lowest point etc.
You've merely forgotten about what FF7 actually was and replaced all your memories with clouded nostalgia, in fact Aerith's dialogue is even more accurate to her OG Japanese dialogue and the OG translation was not accurate enough.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat then I prefer the alternate translation. Don't know what else I can say. Maybe the character wasn't as interesting as I remember?
FFVII Fans: WHAT!?
KH Fans: 1st Time?
KH was designed to always lead to a happy ending though.
They're destroying all the themes FF7 stood for.
Dont start
so this is why Cloud wasnt in KH3... ohh he is now busy doing shit in another space time dimension somewhere... and Squall wasnt either, so maaayyybe he is too in a future FF8 remake, huh... this plot twist would work waaaay better in that game with all the time traveling stuff
That's what I'd said to myself as I was going through endgame, I was like "aaah shit, my Final Fantasy just got Kindom Hearted" .
@@Sacrengard Hahaha I love it. Nomura is building a shared universe now. All of FF and KH is going to become crammed together somehow. In the end all the heroes are going to assemble through some portals and fight the villains and then even Dissidia will be canon.
Zack is in a parallel universe as shown by the bag of chips.
This comment is golden
DLC content with zack too lead up too the second game!🤯
I don't know if it's a parallel universe, rather, the impact that destroying the arbiter of fate.
If you look at the one scene where all the whispers blow up and turn to light when Zach survives...it ultimately changed fate front to back.
So I don't believe there is a multiverse, it's just 1 timeline but the actions have affected the timeline of the past as well.
@@TypicallyUniqueOfficial But as he mentioned, the Stamp on the bag was a different dog from the Stamp we followed throughout the game, indicating it might be a different reality
@@TypicallyUniqueOfficial no, it is a different timeline. If Zack was still alive then Cloud would not be the same cloud, and he prolly wouldn't have been in the same team as Aerith and the gang. The same events would not have happened if that was the same timeline.
>Not showing blood in FF7R
"We are square-enix, think of the children"
*5 mins later*
>Shows a square-enix game with Zack in a pool of his own blood
That wasn't in the Remake, Jermey just added it
@@ZenNeonRazor Crisis Core was still made by Square Enix though
@@MrScottyTay Yeah
What he’s saying is, Jeremy said that square Enix doesn’t show blood because think of the children, yet straight after this he shows footage of crisis core where Zack is laying in a pool of his own blood which is something that square Enix did. So yes square Enix is in fact capable of doing that stuff.
I get they edited it to keep China happy since their laws are so strict/weird ( swearing an suggestive themes are okay but not blood....) I wish they just released 2 versions of the game though, an unedited version for everywhere else in the world where a hallway full of blood, not lame glowing purple Jenova goop, is considered tame and fine, and the Chinese version could have the blood edited out... Other games have made edited versions for certain countries in the past..
*Jeremy Mentions Crisis Core*
Me: Great, another youtuber about to hate on Crisis Core.
Jeremy: Zack Fair is one, if not my favorite hero.
Me: Y E S
Crisis core was very mediocre, and has not aged well
Chris Taggart yo mama
Chris Taggart why?
@@christaggart5687 minority opinion but that's okay
Who the fuck is hating on Crisis Core????? That game gives so much more context to FF7 and even helped me understand Sepithroth's turn to evil.
Jeremy, you are so right about Zack's tone being way better in Crisis Core in that scene
I agree
Some voice actors just make the character who they are. To take that element away is to take away a huge piece of that character
They better fix the fuck outta Zack's tone because that character is TOO cool to ruin!! We need a character like that in our generation
Agree
He sound like a cocky anoying dickhead.
“That game that isn’t on the network, seriously why isn’t on the network?!” Thank you Jeremy, i love you for that!
Yeah the ONLY reason I still have a PSP is because I cant play crisis core on the vita
John Goodwin i mean you could play crisis core on ps vita 😏😏😏
It's apparently because of the copyright issues with the song "Why" in the game.
It's only in the end, they could just cut it out. I want crisis core on psn
just download an emulator
@@Padrier958 it's actually because of Gackt. The same reason why we cant have dirge of Cerberus either.
The fate plot twist is this:
Sephiroth knows the meteor won't work, so instead he found out how to breed a golden chocobo to get the Quadra magic materia and knights of the round to off his enemies and take the planet.
plus final attack, phoenix and morph materia. kidnap yuffie then farm the stat ups and master the materias in sunken gelnika
Final battle is Sephiroth with both Knights of The Round linked with HP Absorb and Counter linked with Mime, so basically just a game over.
I mean...Jessie had that moral dilemma the entire game, she blamed herself for all that destruction
Yeah I never understood the view point that Shinra destroying the reactor under cuts those moments. Avalanche THINKS they did it and hold that guilt either way. It does not diminish their effects of the destruction on jessie and tifa specfically at all.
@@TheDarkEmporer the creators want to antagonize shinra. they wouldn't want their heroes be "truly" terrorists. even if their world thinks avalanche did it, they want us, the players, to think that we're still playing as the good guys.
I hope Jessie is still alive
She owes my boy Cloud a Pizza. Also I hope I'm alive.
@@HappyCloud1995 I hope you're alive too, although "to be Fair," this discussion implies the Lifestream's got some wicked wi-fi. On a side note, what is it with the pizza stuff in Midgar? Plus I don't recall seeing pizza actually advertised or sold anywhere in the game. But it's the great metal pizza pie in the sky-town, Jessie's entire family are pizza masters, "pizza" may or may not be some sort of innuendo amongst the poor actresses guild (she only uses the best of ingredients, don't forget)... my mind boggles.
Also what's with Cloud and cats? Do they remind him of Sephiroth because of the eyes? Did you SEE all the Whispers around Midgar before the Not Last Stand (you didn't act like it) but you did seem to see the lights afterward, and and and and... *sighs* I wish I were drunk. Anyway hope you're alive, too. Hell of a fight you put up, win or lose.
So basically this game was made, so that Sephiroth can do the biggest flex in the solar system.
Sephiroth showed meteor like 1000 times... what is the threat now?! HOLY FUCK... NOONONONONONONNONO.... HOLY SHIT... Supernova, Sephiroth is going to fucking summon Supernova not as an illusion but as an actual event
Sephiroth is more like Thanos now. Sephiroth knew he failed in the original timeline. So he puts the party into battling fate so the future will be "unknown". I just can't see how he time traveled. Or maybe it's the lifestream. Now I can't wait for part2.
woojin214 Sephiroth is nothing like Thanos bro, that's a real stretch
@@bernardocarneiro1982 not in the sense of being actually him. I'm just saying because he time traveled like Thanos.
The timeline clearly has changed, in the original timeline pluto is still a planet worthy of being destroyed by the super nova but in 2020 timeline its not anymore xD
I’m in the camp of Zack is alive but in a different timeline, and when him and Aerith pass each other they can sense each other.
Pretty much ye, defeating the fates there created an alternate timeline. Also its interesting that Cloud sees the flash in the future of Aerith dying and they say those are visions from a future that will come to pass if they don't change fate, so does that mean the main squad is now also in an alternate timeline where Aerith won´t die anymore ?
If you played the original then you know how this will end. Here is a hint: Cloud has mako poisoning, has PTSD and is not a reliable source for telling his own backstory. This is Cloud’s retelling and trust me, it isn’t what actually happened.
@@won6809 That is way too much of a stretch that dude went to the point of making up an alternate timeline where Zack is alive in his retelling of a story.
@Rosencrantz I think the remake Sephirot is the same Sephirot from FFVII original, like literaly. Dude was defeated but sirvived in the lifestream, eventualy reformed himself and went back in time, thus spawning the wispers, and is now trying to temper with events to prevent his defeat at the hands of our hagtag band of heroes, and maybe he does not kill Aerith knowing her death screws him in the end, and also maybe Aerith eventualy sacrifices herself when she learns she has to die only much later in the story.
@@won6809 It's an alternate timeline, the biggest proof is the dog mascot. You see pictures of Stamp as a Shinra mascot across the game and during the Zack flashback, there's a bag flying across the screen with a completely different Stamp design. Keep in mind that it's only a short time between the start of FF7 and when Zack dies near Midgar, so there shouldn't be a different design.
So... The zack thing... Stay with me here, uh.
When you defeat the whispers at the end of the game, it destroys them across ALL timelines, everywhere, instantly. Remember that the whispers exist outside of time and space, and are in all times, and all spaces simultaneously. The whispers are intended to keep the "true" timeline intact, and it can be inferred that they are trying to maintain this timeline EVERYWHERE, ALWAYS, including the event where Zack dies. Because the whispers are defeated, Zack can win the fight against the Shinra troops, and does.
In the cutscene with Zack at the end of the game, a potato chip bag flies by with a logo of "Stamp the Dog". Now, in the main game, AVALANCHE uses the image of Stamp as a marker of safety, or of a safe path, etc. The imagery is that of a beagle or similar breed. However, the Stamp we see on the potato chip bag at the end with Zack is a completely different breed of "Stamp the Dog". The breed we see is a terrier of sorts.
Having a beloved character amongst the population of midgar be two different breeds is certainly possible, as the company who owns the Stamp IP could change it up, but the ending of Crisis Core is SO CLOSE timeline-wise to the start of Final Fantasy VII's bombing mission, this seems VERY unlikely that AVALANCHE could be spray-painting images of Stamp The Dog in his beagle incarnation all over subway lines only a couple weeks after we see a fairly pristine bag of Stamp The Dog potato chips with a version of the character as a Scottish Terrier.
This leads a lot of people (myself included) to believe that the destruction of the whispers fractured time, and there are now multiple concurrent timelines. Stamp the Dog is simply one of the things that are slightly different in that different timeline. (Think "Into the Spiderverse" here)
We play in a timeline that Cloud saw Zack die, has the buster sword, etc.
Zack now exists alongside another Cloud in another timeline where he did not die, Cloud does not have the buster sword, and Zack is the main hero. (Perhaps Zack-focussed spinoff-game???)
Inb4 Zack show up in Loki season 2 lol
Sounds awful for Final Fantasy 7, but sounds great for Kingdom Hearts: Reloaded
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher do you know anything about ff7 sure it’s out there but not that crazy compared to the older compilation stuff and nowhere close to kingdom hearts
@@user-zq4pb8qh5n sorry, what's your point? Almost all of the followup stuff to FF7 bought into the 'more convoluted = better storytelling' model and diluted the brand. Advent Children for example, outside of fan service, did nothing to advance the story or bridge the gap from the ending of the game to the start of the movie. It was visually striking but nonsensical. But sure alternate timelines and multiverses, why not? Jangle those keys, people will still buy it.
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher Say what you want and be as condescending as you feel the need to be, but many people enjoyed it and are looking forward to the possibilities implied in this game.
I believe this ending serves two functions:
1. It gives square an excuse if they decide to shuffle events around and possibly cut locations out of the remake. Otherwise I don't see how they can fit all the content into 3 episodes (assuming it is just three episodes)
2. It keeps the players on their toes and maintains tension. Now you don't know for sure how events will play out and this gives them the ability to fuck with your expectations and surprise players
I feel like if square does not put too much focus on this aspect of the plot it will be good. But then this is Nomura we are dealing with. So I am hoping to God that he learned some lessons from kh and doesn't make this over the top convoluted.
Mohamed Mokhles too late. He already convoluted the Fuck out of it. Leaving Midgar is really the beginning of the adventure of for the core group. In the remake you watch midgar get sucked up by tornadoes and you fight time in the sky while getting mortal kombated through floating highways by sephiroth. This was a royally terrible ending.
Nomura isn't writing the script you fucking weebs. Research before you talk shit.
@@bixhutch6274 it wasn't kingdom hearts ffs. Watch Advent Children and you will understand. Sephiroth is literally from Advent Children, he gets his black wing in Advent Children which he shows in the last phase in the final fight.
@@bixhutch6274Your dumb for blaming Nomura because it wasn't and the game is amazing...
Ok this review is making assumptions it's his opinion I liked it... What I'm confused is he liked phantom pain ending but he didn't like this one... 🤷♂️
I'd totally be down for Jeremy doing a full review of both the original ff7 and crisis core
I wish there is a Crisis Core HD remaster
1beatcher
And you get halfway through playing it just to have (spoilers) stay alive and Zack still manages to “upgrade his gear.”
He already did one of the original
@@dom2752 he's done a review of ff6 but not the original ff7
Shut up, now I need this
Hey Jeremy, love your work, here are your Answers:
1- Why Crisis Core isn't avaliable elsewhere? GACKT. Genesis Raphosodos has his voice and likeness made to match Japanese Singer and Actor Gackt. The part was also WRITEN for him and has major implications to the overall plot of FFVII ( Original, Crisis core and Dirge of Cerberus ) instead of paying for that or having to rework a 13 year old PSP game to change one character completely, Square Enix decided to move to a different route.
2- The timeline. It is very much a split timeline, because Sephiroth is the one trying to change fate. This is Sephiroth from Advent Children moving through the Lifestream to go back in time and alter the events that led to HIS destiny. So he is forcing the hand of Cloud and the others to alter THEIR destinies to one where They fail, and he wins. Aerith is aware that the future where they win is the one where she dies, so now she will try to guide the heroes back into that timeline. This is not a "Retelling" of FFVII, it's a sequel.
3- During the final boss battle, RED XIII has a Flashforward that is LITERALLY a scene from Advent Children movie, which is ALSO the last scene from FFVII, he then proceeds to tell them that "This is tomorrow if we DONT win today". It's a play on words he uses to not let the others know this means he knows that Aerith needs to die. The 3 big things you fight also have the weapons and moves from the 3 Enemies from Advent Children and they summon Bahamut (just like Advent Children).
4- There is a timeline now where Zack lives and Cloud is different. Cause his memories never got messed with. In that same Timeline Biggs is alive. Wedge is not alive. The Whispers of Fate kept him alive to help out, but in the shinra building when Wedge tries to interfere with Fate, they literally toss him out of a window, you can hear the glass break in the scene.
Sephiroth is trying to destroy the future that he dies in, in order to alter his fate and become someone above fate itself. And if you think FFVII is just about tolkien's "Nature vs Industrial" just remember that JENOVA is literally a Shapeshifter space alien that came to earth to consume all life, and sephiroth is it's Lab Baby. FFVII is pure cosmic horror and now Sephiroth is Lavos from Chrono Trigger.
Think of it this way... Square Enix took a 23 year old game and made it so that even old fans are getting ALL the fanservice they desire, while still having no clue of where the story is going to go. The Villain wants to prevent the original FFVII to happen, and the heroes will have to go through all the beats of it, while experiencing new things. They made the Old New again while still having every single element of the original in the game.
The original timeline.
The remake timeline.
And the Zack’s alive timeline.
They crossed the streams.
The remake definitely felt like a mix of the original, advent children, and crisis core all rolled into one.
Don't worry, Gackt will unite all FF7 time-lines at the end
Considering they actually USED some Advent Children footage in the cutscenes, you're not wrong, haha!
I cried at the end of crisis core even though I already knew the Zack's fate.
The ending of Crisis Core is just my favorite ending in any FF games.
The music, while Zack fights this onslaught of Infantrymen, being bombarded by Helicopters, and the DMW slowly glitching away. The DMW was something that I kinda didn't like, I liked how it got me out of crazy situations at times, but it's to heavily reliant on luck; But the ending used a gameplay mechanic to tell a story.
Zack slowly trying to hold on to the memories of his friends; Struggling to keep his mind going as he takes damage and gets weaker.
Zack just basically lost everything, that's why even though he is overly positive people still like him; People just want him to catch a break.
-He had to kill his mentor and friend
-If you add BC he failed to save 2 of his friends
-His idol burns a village and kill a bunch of people; And he is forced to fight him
-He is experimented on for 4 years
-After breaking free, he is constantly attacked, while he has to protect Cloud
-He can't even meet his parents, because everybody knew he was naive enough to go back to his hometown
-He has to fight his mentors best friend, after trying to save him
- Not long after the last remaining "essence" of Angeal dies and he receives the 89th letter from Aerith stating his been away for 4 years and that she's basically given up on seeing him again
And at the end his memories of Aerith was the last thing he desperately tried to hold on to. And even in death the guy still managed to smile.
I pitty you.
CC ending is a joke, they should have nuke Zack from the orbit there too. Or use hungry lions, kids with spoons, use tanks, clone Rambo too.
It was so dumb i could not belive it, 200 soldiers with guns vs 1 man.
That is why CC is dumb trash.
@@LakrimaProject You don't have to, these are very subjective.
SOLDIERS are basically Supermen, and Zack is basically as strong as Sephiroth at this point. Beating Angeal and Genesis (Who was using the lifestream).
The music is great, the use of the DMW is great and it's a good end for the story of Zack.
LakrimaProject Beyond the point that you shouldn’t “pity” someone just because they enjoyed something you didn’t. Just makes you sound like a jackass :/
@@LakrimaProject You have to see it from the mechanics point of view. In the FF7 universe guys with sword often fight bullets and can take them, usually because they are genetically modified since before birth. 200 solderers with guns vs 1 guy with a sword makes sense - he can take quite a few dozen of those no problem, but in the ending not only they are in the hundreds, but they have surrounded i.e. fire from all sides so he can't fully protect himself and you still see how he takes the bullets as usual, but they are so many that he can't deflect all that lead and that's why he's _slowly_ dying and very bloody in the end, it literally takes an army to take down just one of these elite 1st Class Soldier sword-wielding guys.
@@LakrimaProject What a simple minded drone you are. Actually I can't even say simple mind. You are just brain dead.
Square Enix has created an environment that where everyone is scared that just because the characters killed the very living embodiment of fate, characters can be saved.
....until they don't.
I'm not saying that IS their intention. But there's something in the back of my mind that they want "the death" to be emotional impactful again, so to do that, they created this possibility of people being saved. What I'm saying is...they might have us right where we want them.
WrBlPro precisely!
WrBlPro I hope this is the case. I don’t want them to fuck with the original story, since that’s why I got the remake in the first place. I just hope it doesn’t go off the rails and if they decide to retcon the last chapter, then I’m all for that
WrBlPro I think you might be right. It could be a ploy to do two things. One leave people with a ton of questions including those who’ve played the original so they’ll buy the next installment. Two create tension where people aren’t sure of the fates of characters to keep it impactful and give them enough room to alter the story so it works better on current gen consoles.
So much of this game did the original justice and they stuck so close to the script that I can’t see them deviating from it now.
I hope so. It would be a real bummer if they just reverse every death and turn a tragic story into a disney movie.
Just saying, Auron needs the Zack treatment. A prequel game with him, Jecht and Braska would be awesome.
Paul Thao I would love a FFX prequel. It was the first mainline game to have a sequel, should be the first one to get a prequel.
Nah.
Yes, Auron was my fave from FFX
Final fantasy 7 merges timelines with 10. My prediction.
@@joefawley9264 final fantasy 10-2 is a confirmed prequel to ff7, granted by several thousand if not tens of thousands of years.
When you beat Safer Sephiroth in the original game, when he’s dissolving into pieces, that’s just him going back in time!
Derpiocy that.... would be awesome if it were true
But its Sephiroth from advent children
@@crono_digger it is because the only time Sephiroth had a soldier black wing was in Advent Children, he didn't have one in Crisis Core, he didn't have one in OG FF7, only in Advent Children. The whispers of fate are also in Advent Children. The final boss is literally the remnants of Sephiroth at the end of Advent Children. (like come on they fuse into Behemoth, you cannot be more on the nose then that)
"As Nomura shows his hand by adding the heartless onto ffvii and turning sephiroth into xehanort." Honest trailer~ XD
Except nomura isn’t the writer of this, the writer is the og guy that wrote ff7 and also yes he is the director but he executive producer is litteraly the guy with more power than the director in Japanese productions so saying it’s nomura’s fault is kinda stupid
@@federicofilippini6780 Ignorant people blaming Nomura as usual. First it was that he was incompetent even though he directed two commercially and critically successful games that released in a span of a single year and 2 month or so and now it is that he fucked up everything smh.
@@federicofilippini6780 Except if you went on to read Kitase's post launch interview, they directly say that the whole ending sequence and storybeat is them giving Nomura free reign to do what he wants -- it's literally said by Kitase that this is Nomura's additions.
@@experience_point6233 Except if you went on to read Kitase's post launch interview, they directly say that the whole ending sequence and storybeat is them giving Nomura free reign to do what he wants -- it's literally said by Kitase that this is Nomura's additions.
@@experience_point6233 also thinking this will be any where near convoluted as KH is moronic. Thank Disney and company demanding more to that.
After watching MaximillionDude talk about it on a couple or spoiler casts, it really made everything make sense to me. The remake isn't about the game itself, but the story within the meta.
Which is exactly why it sucks
@@brijor6ff7game opinion
Square pulled a fast one and actually managed to release an FF7 sequel after telling everyone it's a remake and no one found out until the release. Absolute madlads.
I'm really excites for this change. This time it feels like the characters are actually driven to kill Sephiroth, in OG they are like, 'Midgar sucks, lets bounce, also Sephiroth'.
@@awinterblazettrpg But does that one improvement make up for all the other changes? I dont think so.
The problem was that in the original it was already proven Sephiroth was a deadlier threat and needed to confirm if he was alive.
@@kevinvu5432 I think of it this way....original Sephiroth was playing checkers and he was going straight to be kinged all while being watched by someone enforcing the rules on the game and Sephiroth loses every game. This Sephiroth is now playing chess AND he is aware of potential moves the group members are going to make. And the rule enforcer? He tricked Cloud into stabbing him in the throat.
Sephiroth is now playing a game where he knows the groups moves, knows where he needs to move his pieces to accelerate or change his plans. We are currently dealing with a Sephiroth playing his finale game and a group who now has to try harder than ever to stop him. The stakes are at an all time high.
@@awinterblazettrpg I understand the sentiment. But the story still going to be completely different. Or at least completely different key events
@@kevinvu5432 thats the thing, I think the story is going to be pretty similar, I think Sephiroth urging Cloud forward is going to change the speed at what events play out. Like....what if we get the weapons coming out of the Earth next game? They wreak havoc while, Sephiroth is twiddling his thumbs in the background. Stuff like that. I think they are going to still honor the og story.
Now we just have a lot more at stake and Aerith is gonna have to suck it up and tell us about the future in order to stop ReSephiroth.
Aerith clearly knows about future events and the group is gonna be furious when they find out she is holding back.
I’m not crazy about the Whispers, but I do like how they are giving you more depth to the Cloud/Tifa relationship. You can really see how both of them are dealing with their PTSD.
Yes that's right. People who hate the time travel like us get mocked as "purists" as if we want things to be 100% the same when we are totally open to more exploration and more depth which only adds to the lore.
They could give ‘em depth and then pull the Uno Reverse card from Aerith to Tifa... think about it for a sec.
@Rosencrantz I understand some people apprehension, but there are also some who are jumping to conclusions and are hating so hard. Likely many of them were predisposed to hate this game no matter what.
It also bears mentioning that Nomura didnt write this game, although did have some level of involvement. Also Nomura is the man who is responsible for aeriths death in the original, which is the heart of ff7. No matter how wack Nomura can get, I cannot see him, nor see the team as a whole, letting aerith live.
José Marrero I have and they would be hated for it. That would be unforgivable.
4everscifi still want my original story doe
If Zack really is brought back I just want one thing and one thing only...the original voice actor from Crisis Core
Anyone who wants zack’s old voice actor back...
...Is my new best friend 😤, sorry new Zack , but out of all the new voice actors, (except for George newbern as my fav Sephiroth) he is the only one that is a downgrade.
I'd be ok if they just directed whoever they got better. His voice sounds fine but the delivery was really off.
new guy sound like fucking donald duck
@@DarthVaizard near the end, he sounds fine actually. But that starting man... oh boi
@@JemXem Boy oh boy. The price of directing is steep.
The dog is different, that Zack is in a different timeline.
As easy as that
Yeah exactly. It was showing us that Sephiroth is trying to rewrite history. But the question is, how does he know all this?
I think he saying that since the Whispers of Fate where destroyed then that means they never existed to keep their current timeline the way it was meant to be in the original game's timeline. So since they were destroyed, their timeline morphed to what it was supposed to be. So when they leave the portal they enter a "different timeline." So theoretically, in that timeline, there is a Cloud with a Buster Sword from the newly renovated "original timeline" and a Cloud that wasn't affected by the Whispers of Fate and lives in that time without a Buster Sword and with a Zack that's alive. Either that or they just created another separate timeline where they will intersect at some point. It's either one of those two options. But I'm leaning towards the first because Aerith obviously sensed Zack when they walked past each other. Either that or she sensed another timeline was created.
Alexander Griffith he is the Sephiroth from AC, there are many profs of that. Watch Maximilian Dood on EZA. You will lose your mind.
@@SpiraLnEmisiS I feel it is more of the second. We will have a moment where the two timelines could converge and Arieth will reconize a timeline where her lover is still alive and will have to choose to correct this one she is in, or go to one where Zack is alive.
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As a Crisis Core veteran, I approve this review
The best term for the Whispers I have heard is "retcon ghosts"
Jeshua Rodriguez they are actually anti-retcon ghosts.
you completely missed the point as they are the opposite.
They are the representations of purists trying to keep the games plot the same as the original. Now that we killed them and sephiroth absorbing them, all bets are off. We don't know what the sequels gonna be like now.
Wrong. They tried to keep the remake to follow the path of the OG
How are they retcon ghosts if they are trying to keep everything on track.
There are a lot of interesting theories about FF7 Remake. Here are some of my favorites:
-Notice how Sephiroth's wings are black. Not only does he normally not have a wing at that point but at the end of the orignial it was white. The black wing Sephiroth comes from Advent Children.
-When cloud get's his "head aches", later in the story he also grips his left arm... the same place that has Geostigma in Advent Children.
-The three whisper bosses in the end are Kadaj, Yazoo, and Loz from Advent Children. Who once again summon Bahamut.
-FF7 original ends with all humans permanently dead (confirmed by Square). It's no good for Sephiroth or anyone else. Sephiroth is using that to lead them to break fate to save themselves, which also frees himself. Just like in the original, Sephiroth is manipulating Cloud & co. to achieve his own ends.
-The remake is a sequel in the perspective that your in a new timeline trying to fix what happened in the original.
-Zach is very likely not alive in their timeline, but a different one (who knows how that will play out). The Cloud that we know's timeline still needs for Zach to be dead... otherwise Cloud as we know it wouldn't exist. He wouldn't be the Fake because Zach never left him w/his legacy. The bag of chips showing stamp in Zach's scene shows a different Stamp, indicating a different timeline. It's even less likely for them to have landed in Zach's timeline otherwise there are 2 Clouds, Tiffas, Barrets, Reds, and Aeriths. That would be truly nonsensical.... even for Square-Enix
-Aerith is most likely still going to die, but this time it will be worse. Everyone thinks there's a chance at saving her but Aerith knows it needs to happen. Cloud will assume he can stop it since they changed fate and Zach may even be involved so he can suffer through it too this time, assuming he finds his way to being relevant in the story. Sephiroth loves destroying what Cloud holds dear and nothing hurt him more than Aerith's death. Leading him to think he can save her is just another head game... and if he succeeds it actually helps Sephiroth.
-Original FF7 story has a direct connection with time manipulation via materia... knowledge of the ancients via the lifestream on how to manipulate time is right in step with FF7 lore.
-The 7 seconds at the end of creating is referring to the same time it takes for Sephiroth to kill Aerith. That part of the story is also playing the same song. It would make sense for Sephiroth to try and lead Cloud into stopping the event that crushed him... which is actually in Sephiroth's benifit.
-Cloud supposedly attempts Omni Slash at the edge of creation, but since this Sephiroth has already seen it before he's able to block/avoid the whole thing.
-By the end of Remake it's clear Aerith is far more aware of what's going on than in the original... including her need to die. Hence the chapter 14 resolution where she tells him that he can't fall in love with her. She's probably aware what her death does to him.
I agree with everything you've said except for the 7 seconds, I think it's more of a doomsday clock thing. Him telling cloud how seriously close the end of the world is. You know like when scientists say its 10 minutes to midnight on the doomsday clock kind of thing.
It's actually said in game what the 7 seconds are, in the Story section when you open your map in Chapter 18. "7 seconds before the end of the world", not exactly quoted but it's about the worlds demise.
His wing was never white in the original...his wing was always dark, even as Safer Sephiroth, it's a dark brown/red wing that replaces his right arm and the wing actually came from Kingdom Hearts first, then made its way into Advent Children.
I just finished my first playthrough a couple hours ago, and personally I'm just really excited for it. I know I'll get to see all these characters I love brought more vividly to life than ever before. We're going to get to see all of these scenarios and places in a whole new light. And!.. I don't actually know what's going to happen. But at the same time, the original version still happened, and it impacts this version of events all throughout. It's not just a reboot. I'm excited. I just hope enough people decide to go along for the ride that I might get to see it all play out.
I absolutely LOVE hearing someone who genuinely played and experienced Crisis Core speak about Zack and his character.
Thank you Jeremy.
Loved that game. It was the only game that made me choke up, and I'll openly admit that.
I think zack dies in the rain in ff remake's world since cloud has his sword, but he lives in another timeline, since the dog bag is different so kind of saying it is another reality
Mascots change but yea prob a timeline difference thing in this case.
@@kyero8724 I mean there is absolutely no reason to change it and shove it in your face when showing zack's perspective if it doesn't mean anything
@@Yiazmats but it does mean something. It shows that there us a reality now where Zack got his happy ending.
He didn't get a happy ending on Advent Children?
Im gonna say no because our boy was still DEAD lol
People keep mentioning the name ”Biggs” I thought he was Charlie Sheen from Platoon...🤷♂️
The whole point of people assuming that the game was literally just going to be an updated PS1 game and getting this is exactly how I felt. I doubt anyone expected a random sequel all of a sudden instead.
Zack is alive but in a different time line, has everyone forgotten the different dog mascots already for shinra? There is only supposed to be one dog mascot in our game run as mentioned but in Zack's cut-seen at the end we see a different one.
Jesse is also alive as she left her glove and red headband next to biggs at the end as well.
Maybe, but his theory about the singularity shitting them out in a different timeline thats mostly the same but has zack alive is totally possible.
everyones so eager to shit on the future of the new franchise, but I think we're just getting a multiverse the same way comic books have been doing for years
This plus the fact they pass each other sense each other but don't see or touch means it's another dimension/timeline
I think the headband and glove were just mementos.
If Jessie was alive, she would be recovering at her parents' house instead of at the orphange with Biggs, most likely.
I hope not. I just took it that it was puppy stamp and thus in the past.
Alive Zach also comes from a timeline where his voice actor is trash.
so fucking bad!
to be fair, it might have been the voice director's fault, not the actor. still sucks though
I wish they'd given him TFS's abridged voice... Would've been amazing 😂
@OriginalTharios I'm just having a go, but I actually like chill/stoner Zack... He sounds like a lad
Honestly, I don't know why they didn't just bring back Rick Gomez. His work was phenomenal, and he understands the character. I don't care whether it's the new VA's fault or the voice director, the end result is that FF7 Remake's Zach sounds more like Sonic the fucking Hedgehog.
sephiroth just became even more badass cause he LITERALLY controlled fate
Sounds stupid
They're basically doing what Hideaki Anno is doing to Evangelion. The first eva rebuild movie followed the original story and then the other 2 movies went on another direction.
Oh fuuuuuu, that is what is happening!!
Being able to save aerith in a potential new timeline doesnt make up for the fact FF7remake made us fall in love with Jessie and we cant save her :(
You didn't love her in the original? Whats wrong with you bro?
So, there's a chance she definitely got saved. We apparently can see her gloves and headband when we see biggs and wedge alive, and she had a whole subplot about the gold saucer and being a singer. I'd bet real money we get some kind've resolution on that in part 2.
@@Karls_Clips she hardly says anything in the original lol
Will we get to take Jessie on a date at the Gold Saucer?
No, Jessie was a creep that harassed Cloud, who clearly showed no interest. If she wasn't as cute, everyone would see her behavior as inappropriate. But no, she is a cute girl, so it's ok if she does it.
As someone who didnt play the original i can imagine the frustration of changing the story for veterans. I hope they don't lean on fate and time shit to much cuz that can get messy real quick, and i loved the story so far for its original plot. But it does also excite me that I might experience brand new things alongside those veterans when the next installments come out.
Also yeah I was the guy who said "who tf is that?" when Zack showed up.
I think the time management part died with the arbiter and that was square enix letting us know
Well they have to make It a central plot, otherwise would be ridiculous that in the first game of the series you kill fate and it never get mentioned again.
@@toribiogubert7729 while it might get mentioned again I doubt it will be a central plot element. With the arbiter dead there isn't any real need to keep investigating it
Relax, even for us veteran players, our first reactions to Zack were also “Who tf is that?” It wasn’t until I watched someone play Crisis Core that I learned more about him and I really liked him as a protagonist.
@@troublemaker574 so why to put it on the first game? Well we know why, but it didn't strike as bad writing? Don't you think is pretty shady to sell a game as a Remake and in the last part of it made huge changes like thoose?
Barret and dyne! One of my favorite side stories. In that scene where elmyra was talking about aerith not being her biological daughter the camera pans to show barret relating. Cant wait till they explore more of that plot!
I think the whole "changed our fate" thing is related only to this part of the remake. The arbiters of fate are gone now. The entire game was basically a way for Square-Enix to tell us, "There ain't no gettin off this train we're on... just kidding, this train transformed into a space ship and it can go wherever the f*ck it wants." These arbiters were just a way to condition us players to accept any and all changes Square-Enix might make from here onward. It's actually a genius way of doing this. Imagine how much rage the entire fanbase would have if they changed any major part of the story WITHOUT the entire premise of "changing your fate" from this part of the story? They preemptively stopped our bitch fits by doing this. I got the message loud and clear. This is NOT the FF7 I thought was coming. I have NO IDEA what might happen now, and honestly, that is REALLY exciting.
Yeah ngl I was relieved when the arbitar of fates actually died, when I seen one of the whispers save barret from seperoth stabbing I was worried they were possibly going to keep them in to save aerith later down the road
Not sure how i feel about this whole thing. On one hand I really like the idea of FF7 going of in another direction. On the other i REALLY wanted a actual full remaster.
But now, people are gonna throw butch fits over the whispers and the arbiter of fate dying because "I want muh childhood back!"
I myself do want to see aireth die again so I can have a great reason to kill ol sepphy let alone the weapon lol
@@mmcv9679 but the whispers wouldn’t have stopped Aerith from dying. I forget where but they say that the whispers aren’t serving them they’re just trying to let the original timeline happen so they would have let her bite the dust
If they Last Jedi Zack I'm not gonna be okay with that.
Plot Twist: Zack is Marco...
@@jeffk1722 oh hell no
No no no no
Let him live and reunite with Cloud happily
They already Last Jedied FFVIIR
Final Fantasy 7 Remake "Crono Cross Edition"
Hey now! Chrono Cross is too good to be lumped in with this. This is Final Fantasy 7 Remake "Kingdom Hearts Edition".
AndyMcKeeFanForLife Chrono Cross was one of the last Square games I loved.
I hope they will make it as good as Chrono Cross, but I expect a clustefuck like Kingdom Hearts 3.
@@AndyMcKeeFanForLife 1 agree wholeheartedly.
p.s. love chrono cross. :)
A really fitting comparison
13:03 to the end describes exactly my thoughts after beating the game! The best video discussing FF7R story alterations so far!
I am not even a FF fan but I bought this game simply because of Tifa... she is that damn beautiful.
Tifa is the best eye candy for the entirety of the game. There wasn't a single moment that I didn't enjoy when she was on screen
They all look so beautiful in this game. Even Barret looks handsome compared to the original
There's a very decent amount of Tifa, Aerith, and Jessie porn already.....my friend told me I totally didn't look it up myself lol
I preordered the play arts figure is amazing..
@@kingamer123 Jesse seemed more my type.
yoo i've read at a comment section somewhere, there was this crazy theory
sephiroth went to the trouble of going back to the past with him going with his plan B to fight cloud
his plan B was a break dance match against cloud
but he saw what cloud can do in the honeybee on the remake and now he is in trouble
that's why he is so desperate on destroying the fate (dementors)
Total canon
This is most likely what is going on yeah. Finally someone else sees it.
“We’re Square Enix! Not Squaresoft! We make Apple Juice! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!”
- Square Enix 2020
- Jeremy 2020*
Mr. Jahns, you truly do understand my favorite PS game. You're awesome.
Here's my theory: The game we bought is Final Fantasy VII: Remake. Remake is the name of the first episode. When you think about it, it's a really appropriate title since in the game they're remaking the timeline and the game clearly wasn't a remake and I think Square did this for us to realize when they release Final Fantasy VII's second episode whatever it's titled (FFVII: Unknown Journey for example). They did confirm it was episodic so it'd make sense for it to have a title and also remake would be a genius title in itself when you really think about it. Let me know what you think!
So, false advertisement. No one wanted a fan fiction sequel to the original. People wanted the classic storyline just with modern graphics and gameplay. Don’t fix what isn’t broken.
@@Domination1799 so did you not enjoy the game? Or was it just the resolution? Because if you wanted a 1:1 remake of the original, you wouldn't have gotten a 5 hour portion of the original fleshed out into 30+ hours. Changes were inevitable, maybe not as crazy as what transpired, but calling it false advertisement is ridiculous
dmxfactor The ending and dementors make this game not what FF7 is about. It was never about stopping fate or any of that KH’s crap. It also is padded out to the point that the flow of the story feels dragged out. I don’t mind altering some things. But you can’t change the framework of the plot and call it a remake. They also said that this game would be very faithful to the original and that’s not true when the story is a retcon.
Dominik Santiago I think it’s a touchy subject. I think a 1:1 remake would’ve been bittersweet because while the term “don’t fix what broken” is more or less true for a lot of things, I don’t think it applies to a 20+ year old game, the technology is so much more advanced and they proved they can do much more now so I say let them expand on this universe and amazing story and I’m sure it’ll continue to make a lot of fans happy. I’m sure with time things in the story will make more sense just give it time and have some faith.
Gabriel Zombei I don’t know if I can be on board for this. The reason why FF7 is so special for me anyway is because it’s a tragic story of a group of people who are beaten down and lose those closest to them. No matter how much they lose, they sacrifice everything in order to save the planet.
One big example is that they changed the impact of the Sector 7 plate dropping. You lose most of your AVALANCHE crew but here, there alive and kicking.
The biggest one for me other than the dumb time ghosts is the man himself Sephiroth. Instead of looming in the background and mentioned in passing, he just shows up randomly a lot, eliminating the eerie ness of his first appearance which is when he massacres the Shinra building.
Fans wanted the original story, not Nomura’s KH’s.
I was loving it till the end....then i was like wtf!!
Same, I was bingeing it till 3am. I thought I fell asleep while playing and I'm dreaming some weird s***
@King Greed I like the story being new, I just don't like the execution of this ending.
join the club
@King Greed That's fine but if you replace it with confusing plot and bad writing then many people aren't going to be very happy. A lot of changes are widely approved of by the people who are being accused of wanting the exact story all over again. The drastic difference is pretty clear, some were faithful to the tone, themes and main plot of ffvii, were widely regarded as well written and added rather than subtracted from the storyline. And then there are the others, that weren't many of those things if any, and only detracted from the story and cause much confusion.
@King Greed New twists are fine if it's done well. It is not done well in this game. And what's the point of changing the story of the original when you can just make an entirely new game with the same premise? Completely unnecessary. And stop with the ''go play the original'' it just makes you sound like even more of a jerk because you can't accept that people have a problem with this game. We already know the original exists. Square tried to fix something that wasn't broken.
This is the first video of your's I have ever seen, but wow you remind me of Negan from The Walking Dead. Great video by the way.
Just beat it. I loved it, and yeah, it’s different, but it’s cool getting something familiar and new at the same time where we don’t know where it’s going. Side note, I’ve seen people blame Nomura for the changes, but to my understanding, he actually wanted to keep it the same, and Kitase (as in, the original writer) was the one who wanted to make something new of it. Either way, I’m totally down with this and I’m excited for more.
Ah, so you're also of the mindset that Zack's new voice is awful.
I trust your opinion more than I already did.
The way I see it, this next game can make or break the entire ff7 storyline. They are treading on thin weak ice.
with a jackhammer...
Great comment, I definately agree with you
i agree, but i trust them because imo they did a phenomenal job with this one if they keep the same quality for the next games i’m completely down for it🙂
@@devilmostdie Agreed. I am super impressed with what they did with this game. The cinematography, lighting, music, voice acting, cutscene direction etc were all spot on. I have much faith in what they bring in the next game. I haven't felt this "Final Fantasy" feels since FFX.
@@Yic17Studio have a watch of my review if you have time, I think I'm of the same opinion as you
The Zack scene could be one of Cloud’s memories. His mind is messed up and some of his memories are not his own. The tell-tell sign would be the different Stamp on the Flyer and Zack being alive. Whispers=ghosts of the Cetra=the spirits in the temple of the Ancients. The spirits in the temple of the ancients protected the temple in the OG and Aerith was able to communicate with them. In this game they gave them a bigger roll in protecting the planet, by protecting Aerith and anyone who is with her, because she has the key to save the world. The whispers were trying to keep them from pursuing Sephiroth by creating a vortex, making it impossible to go down the road and tearing up the road, fighting them, showing them visions of what could happen if they do, because they can’t speak. And Sephiroth provided the portal and gave you a little taste of what he is capable of. All the scenes of Sephiroth and Cloud are Sephiroth manipulating Cloud’s mind including where he is and what he sees. Make sense?
I was thinking "bout to hit shinra, yeah I've played the original, in sure I know what's going on."
"Ok so a portal opens up...*pauses video*
Imma head back to the game.
Im a crisis core fan, so seeing Zack at the end kicked my heart in the balls, man.
(Although, out of every va change, his was the one I liked the least)
I just don't understand what the point of showing Zack at all is if he's still dead
Yeah, whats the point of showing some another timeline? I reaaaally hope there will be no time travel bs... I hope they only show it to hint anything can happen from now on. I'm ok with things going different way than original, but please don't make it into Kingdom Hearts level of storytelling.
The point is fanservice for his fans. "Hey Zack fans, we know you're sad because he died, so here is an alternate timeline where he lives!"
@@Ukaran same with Sephirot fans, he shouldn't appear so early.
Well SE tend to show post-game stuff that hints at their next side game or DLC like with Kingdom Hearts.
My guess would be we'll get a Remake DLC exploring what would have happened during the Midgar section of FF7 if Zack had survived where you play as him.
In Crisis Core they develop Genesis' character a lot, and Deep Ground take away his corpse at the very end. In Dirge of Cerberus Deep Ground surfaces from below Midgar and in the end scene Genesis is revived.
In FF7R we got hints of Deep Ground and even explored it a bit, meaning the plate falling has uncovered it years earlier than it did originally in this timeline.
We'd have time to explore that further in Zack's DLC (I'd assume he'll die at the end of it maybe from Roche and that timeline will close) but we as the player will know what's going on in Deep Ground now so it can be dealt with later on in a future episode. It's a good way of doing exposition for something big that's coming later. Personally I'd love to have Genesis involved during the original FF7 timeline trying to also stop Sephiroth.
There is none. Defenders will say he dies in the rain shortly after the scenes but the order of events were shown deliberately.
1. Zack is shown in his final battle with the whispers who transcend time watching over his fate (and surrounding midgar.)
2. The party defeats fate.
3. Zack is shown living while the whispers are defeated across all of time.
To say it suggests anything but Zack's fate changing and a split in timelines is ludicrous. The harbinger assessment is explicit in transcending time. The whisper assessments are explicit in saying that these entities manifested from a future timeline - giving precedence to timelines.
This “Remake” is most likely a FFVII-2, a sequel to the OG FFVII. At the end of FFVII, we see Aerith casting Holy and stopping the impact of Meteor, then seeing Aerith’s face with a Mako Particles around her. The same happens in this “Remake” at the *beginning* with Aerith looking at a busted Mako pipe like she’s seeing/ experiencing the events of the OG FFVII, through a vision. Yes this means the OG FFVII was a vision.
Aerith suddenly gets up and senses Sephiroth’s presence, a familiar feeling very wrong to her, as she runs away from the busted mako pipe instead of walking away like how she did in the original FFVII (the vision). Aerith throughout the game knows of and is aware of the OG FFVII timeline but acts like she doesn’t until the very end for the sake of preserving pivotal moments in the canon FFVII timeline.
However , because of the whispers, who are the planets’ defense in terms of time and space, they begin to act against her when she threatens the timeline ( example being dragged away for having no indications of leaving Cloud during their first interaction on the street, trying to stop Cloud physically from killing Reno, etc...).
Sephiroth is well aware also. Appearing and messing with Cloud waaaay before he even left Midgar and talking about changing fate and destiny when he knows his original plan had failed.
So in actuality this FFVII has been about a cosmic battle between Aerith, the speaker of the planet, and Sephorith, the deadly alien entity, to which I hope they dive more into personally. I’m honestly psyched for the next game.✨🔥
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thats cool and all but thats also like saying that everything that came after it is also a "dream" or not real in some way, like advent children never happened and dirge of cerberus never happened and that sucks
you just retconned a movie and a game out of existance AND you may also be retconning the prequels that happened before ff7 like before crisis and crisis core
so...yeah final fantasy 7 "remake" a potential trilogy that may very well kill three games (four if you count how different this was from the original and you consider it killing the legacy that was build by the events of the original ff7) and one movie
so yeah this game has been to say the least very divisive for the fanbase, especially to people that have been playing final fantasy games for years and consider the last good one final fantasy 10 and dont believe square has done anything worthwhile with the franchise except updating is graphics
Magus
Actually...Advent Children is where the whispers predesign was first used. Look at the scene where Sephiroth appears and summons dark clouds to cover the sky. In the next few seconds pause and look at what’s on the screen. You should see black ghost-like figures that Sephiroth summoned. This explains why in the final fight he could use the whispers to defend himself against Clouds epic strike (the hit before being transported to the edge of eternity). And now that I think about I feel like the end of the fight signifies the possibility of Sephiroth going back in time with power to affect the timeline.
Aerith is a Cetra, who has the power to see into the planet condition, tap into knowledge, and as well as its timeline, making it easy to see the demise of humanity 500 years after her time because of her death. People need to realize humanity was only *temporary saved* by Aerith’s death. Aerith is the protector of Gaia, her being is so strong that it stayed as it’s own entity in the life stream. Being in the livestream, she sensed Sephorith’s deadly presence and kept her distance.
My new theory involves Aerith’s soul communicating to a past version of herself, warning her of this to come through the Mako pipe. Everything of my first theory’s explanation follows after.
Advent Child Kinda Sucked though to be honest with you though, and I’m a FF
F-A-N-A-T-I-C. I feel like it’s good to retcon, *only* if you do it right. And if the theories some how hold up...the fandom is in for a treat.
I hope for Aerith finally succeeding in defeating Sephiroth from *above* the grave, save the world( comparison to Yuna from FFX) , honor her people, and restart the ancients.
i expect the same story but with added content of the remakes. i hate to play the shitty gameplay of the original to experience the og story
Rizky Iman
That’s honestly too bad because the ending of the remake confirmed that it’s not going to be the exact same story line as the original.
The writers wanted to do something different for the current fans and the new audiences waiting for this game. I feel like people don’t trust game developers or anyone creativity in charge of re-delivering an og concept that they know and love because they are scarred for it being ruined.
However, the og FFVII in the 1990s was created for a different audience. *And* the original people who worked on the same original are here working on this one, a power-move I so much appreciate.
I like how the developers chose to remake this story choosing to subvert expectations while giving us iconic moments we dare soon not to forget.
If you want to play the first game’s story, just play it dude lol. They just remastered it for switch, pc, iOS, and PS4. If you don’t like traditional turn based systems, which is a genre final fantasy *defined*, you’ll just have to wait for the newer sequels.
I'm fine with the changes really, as long as we still get to see most of the iconic scenes and landmarks, even if they are changed up a bit. I will say however that Nomura is walking a fine line here, and they just better do it right and tasteful going forward otherwise the fans will be pissed. I'm OK with changes to the story keeps it fresh. I can alway go play through the original, but change too much and its not what we wanted in the first place
This is definitely a very high risk for arguably little reward considering that the fans would have been pretty much happy with a carbon copy of the original. I think they'd only do it if they really believed they could tell something fresh and amazing. I just hope they pull it off.
Well said. We will get our dose of nostalgia from this treatment. All the while, giving us something new to sink our teeth into
To be fair, fans will be pissed no matter what.
It's funny, I saw it the other way. That the changes were too often cheap being either nonsensical fan service or sequel baiting, I could feel the cynicism leaking out of the screen as the spectacle of it all should be enough to bypass the worst parts.
Telling an old story in a new way would've been refreshing, tightening up the holes in the original narrative, but that's where the talent comes in.
That being said if this is what the core audience want great, wherever it goes, but I get the impression they'll find a way to love anything put forward. 😅
Quick talk Zack that lives is a parallel timeline with few differences. Look at the dog on the bag that blows by. It isn't a beagle like it is in Cloud and the gangs.
Robbie Gable exactly
Robbie Gable yeah I hate that Jeremy missed this
In the original it was hinted that shinra helped blew up the reactor. It was very subtle about it so a lot of people don't really know.
I haven't played the original yet, but wasn't the hint so subtle that the majority of people missed it? And Remake just made it a lot more explicit?
@@patrickmccaffrey4562 doesn't matter if the majority of the masses missed a plot point because they weren't paying attention, it was there and subtlety is almost always better.
@@15thobserver I do agree that subtlety is usually the best way to go, but making something more clear doesn't hurt at all.
@@patrickmccaffrey4562 yeah it was hard to notice, it didn't do a good job explaining it.
@@patrickmccaffrey4562 Subtlety is always more rewarding. Making things clear gets you engagement from a larger audience, but subtlety rewards those who participate. I'm not saying one or the other is objectively better, they both have a purpose. I just favor subtlety when it comes to story telling in games because games are all about participatory engagement.
*Zack fangirl incoming*
I LOVE Zack, he's also one of my favorite characters of all time in anything (I honestly plan on naming my future son Zack if I have one) and he is ALIVE.
I absolutely agree with you on your breakdown of those scenes. It means so much to me that they (FIXED IT) brought back such a great character. I played Crisis Core multiple times, one of my favorite games, and I teared up EVERY TIME I watched Zack die. And my only problem with new Zack is as you said, the new VA. He sounds like too much of a dude bro, when he's so much more than that (HE'S A PRECIOUS PUPPY). If they kill him AGAIN, I'll be so sad. I'm super excited for the next game, and hopefully we can save Aerith too! I'd LOVE that. Screw you Fates! We savin our precious peeps this time around!
Btw thank you for loving Zack too, some people are just plain crazy not to love the guy. And Crisis Core.
I cant watch this yet because I need to finish my first run through. I have LIKED the video, and I love your Reviews. Ill be back and watch it later! have a great week and stay safe everyone.
I think FF7Remake is a victim to the original's popularity. The twists and turns that were surprising in 1997 are well known and documented within the gaming community. I knew Aerith's eventual fate before I'd ever even heard of Final Fantasy. That's how well known and landmark that twist was. I'm not certain, but I'd say this defying of fate is to reestablish stakes for the story to come. Everyone playing this game will hesitate to get attatched to Aerith because they know where she's going. How does Square get you then? They give you the hope that you might save her. Now there's a chance we can change one of the darkest moments in gaming history. Therefore if she dies all the same, it won't be "oh well, it was bound to happen." It'll be , "I had the chance to save her and failed."
To get even more meta, i think that this isn't just the developer's plans, i think that it's Sephiroth's plans. He clearly acts with future knowledge and seems to know the story to come. He goads cloud throughout the game with hints and visions. I think he ALSO wants Cloud to think he can change the future, only to snatch it out from under him at the last second. Sephiroth's whole motivation was to torment Cloud by the end of his story so it wouldn't shock me.
I like your explanation....Aerith sacrifice was the defining moment of FF7 though, to change it would be huge but they already made substantial changes. I actually believe though a sacrifice has to happen- it just may not be Aerith this time around, someone else may die- Tifa perhaps? If this Sephiroth really is from the future where he was defeated then he himself may not kill Aerith knowing her death was the key to his eventual downfall.
I never played the original so only know the general story, as much as these arbiters of fate and time travel aspects are interesting, these sort of tropes tend to be confusing and complicated and one can only wonder, was it necessary to complicate the plot this much? Basically this game may head into Kingdom Hearts complexity, that Arbiter boss was basically a giant Darkside Heartless, Nomura's handy-work.
Yes!! 100% agree with you
To be fair this is bad reasoning. As popular as the story is there are still so many new comers to the FF7 and to Final Fantasy in general who absolutely had no idea that Aerith might die along with other plot elements but now they know about it too simply because the Remake decided to flat out spoil everything by showing Aerith dead on screen as a flash forward among many other things. So just.. No. On top of that sometimes even if people know how the story will go it doesn't take away the emotional impact nor the brutality of the moment but now we have a bad case of potential fanfiction coming our way that will fall flat on its face.
Side note. Not only Spehiroth knows about future outcome, but also Aerith.
It is clear if you pay attention to some of her dialogues.
Imo if S-E whant to chenger her fate, why not? They already changed a lot, but there is one conditon: It must be good.
if there was a new romeo and juliet movie claiming to be a faithful retelling coming out and it goes from a story of lovers torn by conflict to space opera with time travel it wouldn't be faithful the original, just because you know they will die doesn't mean that the story isn't worth retelling faithfully, ff7 remake isn't a victim of the original's popularity since it was trying to sell copies using that popularity and thus invoked the wrath of the original and to forever be compared since it calls itself a "remake".
I was hoping an ending like the first LotR movie with them loking at the horizon to the path ahead
And then Nomura happened. Putting some KH shits on FF7.
That's how I imagined it, possibly showing kalm in like a fly by and then showing the world or something implying what's to come
@@TROBassGuitar I Think the flashback would make a great intro/tutorial for part2
@@woojin214 I don't think that's the problem here, I think it's more on the censorship and deadlines that square gives them. Back in the day, we saw a blond b'tch kicking the sht out of a 11 years old girl in a kids game, now we have to look at blue blood. Nomura was known for introducing weird sht like that in great ways, that until last decade where everything started feeling rushed and out of context.
@@TROBassGuitar I don't see how kalm would fit after the ending
I remember crying in that scene too Jeremy, you're not alone !
In Kingdom Hearts (another Tetsuya Nomura game) time travel/alternate timelines are a thing however, there are certain requirements for time travel you must follow.
To gain the ability to transcend time, you must first cast aside the flesh and become an existence of only a heart (a formless being with a soul thus losing your physical self).
-Once you gain the ability, you can never lose the ability, even if you become complete again (once you regain your orginal form you will still be able to time travel).
When you move through time, in either direction, there must be a version of yourself waiting at the destination. (You must be alive in the past or future you are trying to visit if not you cannot time travel)
You can only travel backwards through time once.
-If you travel backwards, upon arrival, you can only move forward as per the laws of time.
-YOU CANNOT REWRITE the events that are destined to happen.
You can travel forward through time as often as you like.
-If you travel forward, you must eventually return to your proper era.
-Upon returning to your proper time, you will lose the memories and experiences you gained while time travelling. (Although you lose your memories the ability to time travel can still be done as stated by the first law)
You cannot travel in both directions, you must choose one. (Either go back in time or move forward)
In relation to this game maybe someone is trying to rewrite events in their favor (possibly Sephiroth) thus breaking a law of time which triggers The Whispers to make sure events play out the way they were intended to be.
However, alternate timelines exist both in Kingdom Hearts as described by Luxu in his secret reports in KHIII and in this game when it is shown Zack is alive even showing an alternate Stamp art on a bag of chips indicating this isn't the same timeline.
Technically hearts are not souls. Yes, it's mind-boggling since I've always assumed that was the metaphor they were going for. I learned about this last night and unless the game corrects itself at some future point they seem like separate things.
Spoilers for KH3:
When Xemnas is about to strike down Lea / Axel and Xion stops him. She says, "We need him alive. You know that."
Xemnas responds, "We only need his heart in order to forge the key. We do not need his soul."
So they seem like completely different things. Again this is just one line, so I could be completely missing on other past context but I believe this is the most recent development on the difference between the two.
No One:
Square Enix: We're not square soft, we're square enix, THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
Odds out of 10 Zack sacrifices himself to save Aerith, ide bet my actual ass
Great video, definitely subscribing, it's rare to see someone having the guts to say what you just said, and in a cool fashion to boot :)
As a new player to this series with FFXV being my only other FF game. I might get some shit for this but I almost want the next games to be quite different from the original. Unfortunately I got spoiled on some major scenes in the original reading through forums and chats (but hey it's kind of difficult to avoid for a 20 year old game). I guess it's just not exciting knowing what happens in some major events I want to be able to not know anything going forward. Yea there's potential to fuck it up but I personally don't want the writers to be tied down to their own script from 20+ years ago. From what I understand from the ending it seems like they still acknowledge the original happened but still allowing themselves to create something new so to me it's more exciting that way.
Honestly, even if almost everyone and their mother knows the plot of the original game, I still think that liberties with the story shouldn't be taken so lightly. The update with the visuals and combat system alone are worth the value of the game, in my opinion. Changing the story such that Zack is alive and there's these weird dementor-like things trying to keep fate in check and the potential for alternative timelines just doesn't feel right at all. Zack's death is so integral to Cloud's and Aerith's story that keeping him alive would mess a lot of things up.
Nomura's really bad with time lines and anything related to time anyways (*stares at Kingdom Hearts*).
Yea. Everything about the remake besides the Whispers and the final 2 chapeters was so fantastic...
Xyruk i really like it and the idea of new storylines. This is a remake not a remaster after all
This comment is exactly what I think.
@@jjgaming9860 The fact that this is a remake shouldn't be validation for altering a story to this extent. That'd be like if Disney decided to "remake" the OT of Star Wars, using the excuse that they're putting their own spin on it to make whatever changes they wanted. The original game's story already was good enough as it was...
@@jjgaming9860 I'd consider it more a re-imagining, if not a sequel (due to the fact that the events of the original clearly happened and Sephiroth seems to know that). over a remake. To me the way the game was, until the final chapters, a perfect remake. Expanding on the story and locations with some new characters. Once they got to the end it was no longer a remake, in my eyes. The remaining games won't even be FFVII anymore. It'll be brand new games with the same world and characters, but the story is going to be different.
Jeremy thought of something it would be really badass. The game ending with Cloud telling the events of the Nibelheim Incident to his party in Kalm. I mean... if Square wants to shoehorn Sephiroth as a final boss, that confrontation between Cloud and Sephiroth in Mt. Nibel's reactor would have been sweet
While I would like that I think it would ruin some of the story, but I guess it would be some half delusion half truth battle. Hard to say but I seriously figured Kalm would be the end point it's a good place to finish, drop some story and leave us all hungry for more
Personally it wouldve been great to pull off an Ocarina of Time: you face off Ganon in the forest temple thinking hes the real deal but you find out it was a poor imitation and the real Ganon invites you to find him.
This couldve been that. But it wasnt.
Ive been saying they should have ended with Nibelheim instead of the KH Boss fight for over a week on Reddit and getting down voted to hell.
@@DanielCollins85 they are shills.
I have one more thing to post...at the end of your other Final Fantasy 7 remake review...the reference to Jareth, the Goblin King..so unexpected and the first thing to make me laugh hard and out loud in a good while. That was awesome. Makes me happy to know there is someone out there with that kind of shit whirling around in their head.
That Back to the future bit was impressive
Perfect timing, I literally just beat ff7rm now, 20 minutes later after you uploaded this video.
2:57 EXACTLY!!!! I LOVED THAT MYSTERIOUS MOMENT RIGHT THERE and it also gave you an idea of how powerful Sephiroth was....sadly we'll never see that in the remake...
To be fair... if they had copied that moment, the game would instantly have to be bumped up to Mature rating.
@@isakwolff5491 Is there a problem with that? I mean the game already has themes that aren't suitable for PG13 game, though that is a failure of the ranking system.
@@Kaboose666 exactly! They already swear and Madame M and Honey Bee Inn portion of the game.
Jeremy for the love of all that is good and holy you HAVE to review the 1985 sci-fi horror movie Life Force.
The state of the world right now keeps making me think of that movie for some reason.
Once I realized what was happening with the increasing frequency of flashforwards, I was along for the ride.
Just finished the game about an hour ago and while there are things like certain characters still being alive and the Kingdom Hearts boss at the end that I rolled my eyes at... I still love the game and the alternate timeline thing makes me look forward to part 2.
“We’re SquareEnix now...
............Not SquareSoft.”
you do remember the events of final fantasy 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8 and 10, right? also, this even the first time cloud goes through time! he does appear in ff tactics...
and yet, they are SOFTER than they ever were...
Think of the children!
lol, square doesn't have the same balls that sakaguchi had when he made ff7!
Original story was made by Kitase, Nojima and Nomura, all the same people that did the Remake
@@augustgarden3531 I guess talent got lost by getting older.
@@augustgarden3531 Sakaguchi kept them in check
August Garden Sakaguchi had a lot more in say than you think. He had a talent for making likable characters. Cloud was never an emo douchebag in the original, only for the first couple of missions. He stops being a douche even inside Midgar.
you mean like only 2 party members surviving till the end fight with Sephiroth (excluding Cloud) and everyone else dying only to change in in the final product?
First time I watch you... yeah got yourself a subscriber
This is about my favorite video ever 🤣. This dude spoke in so many circles, I’m dying 🤣
This Tetsuya Nomura guy has a serious obsession with parallel alternative timelines and incomprehensible and over convoluted story telling...
It wasn't Nomura that wrote the story.. Everybody has this concept that he did because he's the one mostly shown in interviews. No, it was the original writer of the game that wrote the script. Nomura has influence as the director yes but he mostly has say about what can go into the game or not, and ofc he can give his opinion. But if he gave an opinion, and it ended up in the game, that would be because the writer agreed with him. It isn't all Nomura. The writer himself also liked the change.
@@Zethrae Watch him make a VERY depressing ending for Final Fantasy 7 remake. Doesn't he enjoy making those types of endings for Final Fantasy games?
@@Melodyofthesea78 Not necessarily. Every theory going around is that this alternate timeline is going to be the good end so it's doubtful it'll be bad. At least that's what I'm thinking.
@@Zethrae I liked the original ending though.....I believe Arieth should still die her death set things up. It gave them a dang good reason to fight too. Good God I sound like a terrible person....I like her too but I think they should keep that part the same.
@@Melodyofthesea78 I never said the ending was bad xD I fervently enjoy the new direction as well and can't wait to see more. What I was saying is that the way the events are set up, is that the end of the og FF7 is considered the "bad end" as everybody eventually dies 500 years after the game, 496 specifically after Dirge.
I think you're giving the timeline thing more thought than the designers did. They're not interested in exploring that idea, this is entirely a narrative justification for 'we don't want to follow the script'.
That might be so. It was a stupid plot, but they wanted something as an excuse to change things or not include things later on.
FF7: Unmake
I think the devs is thinking hard, if they dont want to follow the original script they could just not follow it because in a remake you dont have to 100% follow it
FINALLY, somebody who has the same mindset as me! I feel like ive been in someone else's echo chamber for the longest time, unable to find any criticism for these things!
I agree 100% with all you've said. I love bioshock and Legacy of Kain. And Kingdom Hearts as well, mind you, but Final Fantasy VII should be Kingdom Hearts and have elements like it at all. I'm okay with having changes, but they should've been done through narrative that would feel coherent to the world of FFVII.
Instead, we got meta-language that goes against the narrative style of the game, that made me fall in love with the original in the first place.
I'm feeling depressed.
Square Enix - "Think of the children"
I swear that's their new slogan now. If not, it is now.
i dont think they really had a choice here. that would clearly bump the rating a notch or 2.
@@marcosdheleno They absolutely had a choice and to be fair it would have been more responsible from them to add the blood and gore to this game to rank up the age rating. This game has a part where people are flat out stating they wish to forcefully impregnate a woman, flat out rape them, which absolutely is not something any children should see in their games. I can't understand how showing blood is more bad than not just implying rape but have them say it out loud on screen.
@@Kaboose666 hey man, neither do i, but that's how ratings are. implied rape through science aparently isnt as bad as a puddle of blood...
@King Greed We did have a massive trail of blood and bodies in the original FF7 though with the aftermath of Jenova's escape though.
Yeah I didn’t think about that either. Everything is PG13