As a new hades player (have played literally a day), chiron bow has been a love at first sight, and i can say that my love for this game as a whole has come from the hours of content I've consumed off of this channel waiting for an excuse to buy it for myself. Thanks for all the amazing stuff, game wouldnt feel the same without your influence
Zag bow left me with a sour taste first time, but then I saw chiron bow, and fell in love. (Then I discovered the gloves and how free they are with any aspect lol)
@@jo40p3dr0 beat 0 heat in exactly 24 hours (to the minute of install) Played about 3 and a half hours tho. Pretty fun, gonna try some of the heat modifiers soon tho, they seem fun
@@Krimson241yeah I attempted too many escapes with a zag bow and couldn't beat the game. Until I used the spear with a flurry jab,but when I unlocked chiron fell in love with the bow again and ended up unlocking all the bow aspects. Chiron is my best weapon.
Wouldn't even be OP I think. For general runs you usually see a hammer in the first 2-3 minutes anyway and a hammer is a hammer. (vs guaranteeing a god you might not otherwise see at all). It would be good for experimenting with hammer effects or for a build like this that depends on one specific hammer effect but probably less generally useful than any of the god trinkets. But it would be fun, what I mean is it's not OP so I would see no reason it wouldn't be a fun trinket to add
If you're on PC, there's a mod that can find the correct random seed to guarantee a certain first boon or hammer upgrade. Everything after that is still random so it's not really cheating IMO.
Probably my favourite type of Hades video you post Haelian. Really enjoy seeing the under-utilised builds and how they can become really powerful with the right choices and a bit of luck too!
Won a 2 heat clear with no upgrade Zag bow. Aphrodite attack, Zeus everything else, twin shot and a lot of determination. Won with 10 HP left from the 250 I started the fight with.
The thing about builds like this is that they are so different from what you usually are going for. You have to start with charged volley to even consider going for it.
the very first time I picked up the bow, I got Charged Volley and I immediately liked the bow more just because of it. the run still went poorly, especially because it was like my 9th run but it was so much fun
Heart Rend + Deadly Reversal on Hestia rail is filthy. Finally got my first 32-heat clear today using it! Went for these first: Aphro Attack Athena Spec Artemis Cast Then Athena dash for the proc for deadly reversal. With some chaos boons and poms, got a few 3k crits :)
The only way this could've gotten more spicy is if you had found Eurydice for that Boon that upgrades 2 random boons one step up in rarity...Would Heroic Deadly Flourish bump it to 180% special damage?
I get the dev's perspective on this. Duo boons normally work in a way where they give you some stat bonus and they change some function of something. The change is always in text on the top and the stat bonus is on the bottom. I guess it's a little confusing, but I think it fits the format just fine.
the conversation around parting shot was really strange to me. When I read the boon it seems very straight forward. Your cast gains the ability to backstab and that includes any bonuses you currently have for "backstab" and on top of that you gain an additional 35%. That's how I've always read it?
They didn't actually say your cast _gains the ability to_ backstab, they said it _gains bonuses_ for backstabbing. Which to me would imply that any time you hit an enemy with your cast from any angle, it'll increase the damage based on shadow presence, shadow slash, exposed status, etc. And the bonus backstab damage part also isn't very specific since the boon appears to be mostly about the cast, so it's easy to assume that that last bonus is also only tacked onto the cast. You can get the duo in a variety of build situations, and it's often not helpful at all as written, so reading it differently might make it more appealing when people are trying to convince themselves to grab the green.
@@harrisonlorens3585 Saying something along the lines of "if you don't get exactly what they meant it's because you're stupid" is just not very nice to basically anyone. (This could also be read as a direct insult to me, but that doesn't bother me so much, just don't be mean in general.)
Hey man. Video idea, if you're down. At 14:54 you referenced that you cannot backstab Lernie. I did not know that lol. It occurred to me then that I would adore a "50 Amazing Facts to Blow Your Mind" Matthew Santoro-style Hades video from you. Fifty useful little tips that are otherwise hard to find. I.e, pressing up on the D-pad once to properly summon Meg when fighting Theseus and Asterius. The moment I heard you reference that it revolutionized by speedruns. Fifty of those facts would be insane lol.
This was a fun one that I don't think I've seen before. Love when the special almost kills an enemy and then the support fire slips in to finish them off
Wow, i never imagined using Hera this way. I tried to do the same as you and ended up having the same hammers AND héroic spécial (147%), 2 chaos specials (65% and 68%), and even found Chimaera Jerky special (40%). I didn't get Sweet Surrender and Blinding Flash, but i got Heart Rend and man, the damage output was insane, never saw anything like this ^^' Thanks for your vidéos :)
Got the game last week And I love it Love the characters and the story and the art, weapons everything. Just finished my 50th run and finally beat hades with all six weapons. I had to google a build for the bow cuz I was struggling and heard of Chiron a lot but the description of Chiron in the game does not sell me on it. Maybe I should experiment with it. Hera bow just seemed better prolly cuz I like the casts lol
Hera is definitely better for damage, but he's saying Chiron is _safer_ because you can special from really far away and be guaranteed of all your arrows hitting. It's still not particularly good unless you put some kind of stacking effect on the special or increase its damage somehow, otherwise all the special arrows put together still don't do as much damage as one attack
17:00 i assume it gives more backstab damage because you mighy have fiery presence on for whatever reason (really good on hestia tbh) so you might not have any backstab bonuses if you got parting shot
How do you get Thanatos in Tartarus? I only get him in Elysium. It might be that I've only ever defeated Hades once (on my most recent attempt, the 25th) because I'm bad at the game
@@Haelian I neglected to mention that on the FIRST run I did after I made this comment, Thanatos rolled up in Asphodel and made me look like a massive idiot. Thanks!
The devs really fucked the parting shot description. I never knew the bonus your cast gained ONLY applied to the cast backstab damage. That is very unclear. “Your casts backstab damage gains any bonuses you have for striking foes from behind. > bonus backstab damage: +35%” There, I fixed it for them, and it was not hard. (If that is in fact how it works)
I don't think that fixed it, you just added to the salad. The fact that your cast can't backstab to begin with, and that this boon changes that, is the crucial part. The single word you could change that would make the biggest difference would be "for" --> "when" i.e. "Your cast gains any [backstab] bonuses you have WHEN striking foes from behind."
@@RockLobsta23 Yeah that was one of the things he and/or chat members mentioned in the video. It kind of makes sense that they wouldn't be able to normally, but it's a little weird that the main mechanical function of this boon is to make it so they do now. Making all casts do backstab damage from any angle probably would have fit the theme more, like an emotional blow from a departing spurned lover or something. Maybe would have been too overpowered though idk
I thought the description was extremely simple. Your cast now gets all backstab bonuses you have. Then you also get 35% more backstab bonus. There is nothing else hidden to it, players just insert their own opinions for no reason.
Achilles gives you the Codex early in the game but there's a specific Contractor Upgrade that shows you boons and duos/legendaries/tier 2 prerequisites. Contractor has a lot of useful upgrades, buy as many of those as possible IMO
@@elcrow113 checked the wiki, here's the order You need to buy "Codex Index", but the prerequisite for that is owning the "Fated List of Minor Prophecies" The prereq for Prophecies is buying "Fountain Chamber, Tartarus" There's no prereq for the Fountain Chamber and it's even free, so you should have no trouble getting that if you don't already have it
idk man, this is like having a shotgun attack with Artemis on it... Demeter, Zeus, Dio, and Poseidon or Aphro seem good with this, too. The usual suspects.
I also didn't understand if you only gain the bonus on parting shot from a backstab, or if you don't need to backstab to gain the bonus. The text looks clear and then you read it again...
@@jorgulon - I asked myself the same thing and then I realized that he’s played the game so much that he doesn’t need it. He had about 45k (essence?) at the mirror.
God people get so good at this game, I'm like right at thirty runs and I still haven't beat Hades Yet, So much fast movement! I'll get there. Also why do you not pick up gems or health upgrades sometimes? Just gigga chadded out already? Ive been playing for like a week and a half off and on so i see this all from a rookies eyes 🤷🤷♂️🤷
I really feel that those videos, although their purpose is to help and explain, make it worse. I am trying the same with (only) 5 heat and I have already lost my first death defiance on first boss... lol I have managed to beat up to 9 heath with gloves, but all these RUclipsrs make it seem so easy, while it is not.
@@Haelian yes but if your main damage is from your attack/special it doubles the rate at which the meter fills up, because the meter only counts instances of damage not how much damage
As a new hades player (have played literally a day), chiron bow has been a love at first sight, and i can say that my love for this game as a whole has come from the hours of content I've consumed off of this channel waiting for an excuse to buy it for myself. Thanks for all the amazing stuff, game wouldnt feel the same without your influence
dude, Chiron is so GOAT'd. Have fun, mate.
Zag bow left me with a sour taste first time, but then I saw chiron bow, and fell in love. (Then I discovered the gloves and how free they are with any aspect lol)
Damn, you unlocked Chiron day 1 🤯
@@jo40p3dr0 beat 0 heat in exactly 24 hours (to the minute of install)
Played about 3 and a half hours tho. Pretty fun, gonna try some of the heat modifiers soon tho, they seem fun
@@Krimson241yeah I attempted too many escapes with a zag bow and couldn't beat the game. Until I used the spear with a flurry jab,but when I unlocked chiron fell in love with the bow again and ended up unlocking all the bow aspects. Chiron is my best weapon.
There should really be a trinket that lets you start with Daedalus Hammer. Would allow for more builds.
That would be so fun and so ridiculously overpowered, love it
That does sound fun! Could balance it by making it so it locked your trinkets for the next level.
Wouldn't even be OP I think. For general runs you usually see a hammer in the first 2-3 minutes anyway and a hammer is a hammer. (vs guaranteeing a god you might not otherwise see at all). It would be good for experimenting with hammer effects or for a build like this that depends on one specific hammer effect but probably less generally useful than any of the god trinkets. But it would be fun, what I mean is it's not OP so I would see no reason it wouldn't be a fun trinket to add
@@silphv this was near when I started playing for the first time and in retrospect it is nowhere near as cracked
If you're on PC, there's a mod that can find the correct random seed to guarantee a certain first boon or hammer upgrade. Everything after that is still random so it's not really cheating IMO.
Probably my favourite type of Hades video you post Haelian. Really enjoy seeing the under-utilised builds and how they can become really powerful with the right choices and a bit of luck too!
25:01 "Hey you got a small hitbox. No fair"
10 seconds later: Rips Tony a new one!
Won a 2 heat clear with no upgrade Zag bow. Aphrodite attack, Zeus everything else, twin shot and a lot of determination. Won with 10 HP left from the 250 I started the fight with.
Nice job!
Congrats, bro. I suck at Zag bow.
Parting shot absolutely reads as if casts automatically count as backstabs with bonus damage.
The thing about builds like this is that they are so different from what you usually are going for. You have to start with charged volley to even consider going for it.
And you have to turn down a clearly superior bow choice...Chiron.
the very first time I picked up the bow, I got Charged Volley and I immediately liked the bow more just because of it. the run still went poorly, especially because it was like my 9th run but it was so much fun
I absolutely adore how much of a meme the throat adjustment became lmao
Right, as a new player that’s absolutely how I read it.
Heart Rend + Deadly Reversal on Hestia rail is filthy. Finally got my first 32-heat clear today using it!
Went for these first:
Aphro Attack
Athena Spec
Artemis Cast
Then Athena dash for the proc for deadly reversal.
With some chaos boons and poms, got a few 3k crits :)
Just did it. That was fun! Got heart rend too! Thanks for the suggestion
@@thingthang2904 Nice! Well done!
parting shot retry:
your cast can now backstab
-increase all backstab damage: 35%
And thus, Zagreus had turned an elegant bow into an ass blastin shotgun.
The only way this could've gotten more spicy is if you had found Eurydice for that Boon that upgrades 2 random boons one step up in rarity...Would Heroic Deadly Flourish bump it to 180% special damage?
I get the dev's perspective on this. Duo boons normally work in a way where they give you some stat bonus and they change some function of something. The change is always in text on the top and the stat bonus is on the bottom. I guess it's a little confusing, but I think it fits the format just fine.
damn that’s a super lucky run considering the 2 pretty good chaos boons + 2 duo boons. Really fun to watch too
13:09 your face when u summon bouldy was so funny lmao, tiny orb almost got u
25:09 Tony: excuse me wtf?
wow that was amazing, still enjoying Hades a lot and even more watching Dan play it!
I didn't expect this hammer to look so fun.
the conversation around parting shot was really strange to me. When I read the boon it seems very straight forward. Your cast gains the ability to backstab and that includes any bonuses you currently have for "backstab" and on top of that you gain an additional 35%. That's how I've always read it?
They didn't actually say your cast _gains the ability to_ backstab, they said it _gains bonuses_ for backstabbing. Which to me would imply that any time you hit an enemy with your cast from any angle, it'll increase the damage based on shadow presence, shadow slash, exposed status, etc. And the bonus backstab damage part also isn't very specific since the boon appears to be mostly about the cast, so it's easy to assume that that last bonus is also only tacked onto the cast. You can get the duo in a variety of build situations, and it's often not helpful at all as written, so reading it differently might make it more appealing when people are trying to convince themselves to grab the green.
@@harrisonlorens3585 Saying something along the lines of "if you don't get exactly what they meant it's because you're stupid" is just not very nice to basically anyone. (This could also be read as a direct insult to me, but that doesn't bother me so much, just don't be mean in general.)
Hey man. Video idea, if you're down.
At 14:54 you referenced that you cannot backstab Lernie. I did not know that lol. It occurred to me then that I would adore a "50 Amazing Facts to Blow Your Mind" Matthew Santoro-style Hades video from you. Fifty useful little tips that are otherwise hard to find.
I.e, pressing up on the D-pad once to properly summon Meg when fighting Theseus and Asterius. The moment I heard you reference that it revolutionized by speedruns. Fifty of those facts would be insane lol.
Hmmm
This was a fun one that I don't think I've seen before. Love when the special almost kills an enemy and then the support fire slips in to finish them off
Wow, i never imagined using Hera this way. I tried to do the same as you and ended up having the same hammers AND héroic spécial (147%), 2 chaos specials (65% and 68%), and even found Chimaera Jerky special (40%). I didn't get Sweet Surrender and Blinding Flash, but i got Heart Rend and man, the damage output was insane, never saw anything like this ^^'
Thanks for your vidéos :)
His reaction to hitting the vermin got my dying 😂😂😂
Any bonuses you have will also apply to your cast when you backstab with said cast
Got the game last week
And I love it
Love the characters and the story and the art, weapons everything.
Just finished my 50th run and finally beat hades with all six weapons.
I had to google a build for the bow cuz I was struggling and heard of Chiron a lot but the description of Chiron in the game does not sell me on it.
Maybe I should experiment with it. Hera bow just seemed better prolly cuz I like the casts lol
Hera is definitely better for damage, but he's saying Chiron is _safer_ because you can special from really far away and be guaranteed of all your arrows hitting. It's still not particularly good unless you put some kind of stacking effect on the special or increase its damage somehow, otherwise all the special arrows put together still don't do as much damage as one attack
ive started insta-liking these last videoes because of the intro throat clears. fucking killing me every time xD!
17:00 i assume it gives more backstab damage because you mighy have fiery presence on for whatever reason (really good on hestia tbh) so you might not have any backstab bonuses if you got parting shot
Dan you started singing the song 'feel', have you played lies of p and if not are you going to do a play through at some point? Fantastic souls like.
We played through the whole thing on stream on release, loved it!
wow that must be the biggest bonk on Tony i've ever seen
I understood it as "your cast will always hit for it's base dmg plus 35% of the bonus it'd get if you hit from the back
"youtube will i describe it as good? place your bets."
(title of the video) 😂
Love your videos! Keep up the great work! :)
there needs to be a compilation of haelian reacting to the juiciest shots in the game 25:09
What you said : "Lernie aint got no back"
What I heard : "Lernie got old fashion pancake butt..."
Deleted Tony like Dan was part of the mafia or something holy moly
Also, redo this with Calisthenics Program? More health on Dad? LMAO
bro was singing feel i love that song
What does pause buffering do exactly? I see you doing it but don’t know why
But then you have TBOI descriptions: "Tears up"
"there may have been an ounce of luck" 😂
How do you get Thanatos in Tartarus? I only get him in Elysium. It might be that I've only ever defeated Hades once (on my most recent attempt, the 25th) because I'm bad at the game
Just rng.
@@Haelian I neglected to mention that on the FIRST run I did after I made this comment, Thanatos rolled up in Asphodel and made me look like a massive idiot. Thanks!
The devs really fucked the parting shot description. I never knew the bonus your cast gained ONLY applied to the cast backstab damage. That is very unclear.
“Your casts backstab damage gains any bonuses you have for striking foes from behind.
> bonus backstab damage: +35%”
There, I fixed it for them, and it was not hard. (If that is in fact how it works)
I don't think that fixed it, you just added to the salad. The fact that your cast can't backstab to begin with, and that this boon changes that, is the crucial part. The single word you could change that would make the biggest difference would be "for" --> "when" i.e. "Your cast gains any [backstab] bonuses you have WHEN striking foes from behind."
@@Nat_the_Chicken true, I wrote it not knowing casts couldn’t normally backstab. So that didn’t help
@@RockLobsta23 Yeah that was one of the things he and/or chat members mentioned in the video. It kind of makes sense that they wouldn't be able to normally, but it's a little weird that the main mechanical function of this boon is to make it so they do now. Making all casts do backstab damage from any angle probably would have fit the theme more, like an emotional blow from a departing spurned lover or something. Maybe would have been too overpowered though idk
I swear I've used charged volley on Chiron's bow before. Did it used to work and they removed it?
I feel like just saying, "Your cast can now backstab" would be a simple way to solve all the confusion around parting shot.
I thought the description was extremely simple. Your cast now gets all backstab bonuses you have. Then you also get 35% more backstab bonus. There is nothing else hidden to it, players just insert their own opinions for no reason.
man i havent seen so many arrows on the special since EARLY EARLY days
Can you do Athena only run with the aspect of Zeus?
Hermes attack speed works on Rama charge, right? Im pretty sure it does.
Nope
Is there a way to make sure u get a hammer right off the rip?
Nope, not without mods.
Shoutout to Kaladin199 for opening back to back rangers boots on his osrs ironman.
How do you get the in game boon list? I'm already deep in the game and still haven't gotten it.
talk to achilles
Achilles gives you the Codex early in the game but there's a specific Contractor Upgrade that shows you boons and duos/legendaries/tier 2 prerequisites. Contractor has a lot of useful upgrades, buy as many of those as possible IMO
@justarandomdood I already have the codex I just can't find the contractor upgrade. Like I said I'm already almost done with the story.
@@elcrow113 checked the wiki, here's the order
You need to buy "Codex Index", but the prerequisite for that is owning the "Fated List of Minor Prophecies"
The prereq for Prophecies is buying "Fountain Chamber, Tartarus"
There's no prereq for the Fountain Chamber and it's even free, so you should have no trouble getting that if you don't already have it
@@elcrow113maybe you need to upgrade more stuff?
idk man, this is like having a shotgun attack with Artemis on it... Demeter, Zeus, Dio, and Poseidon or Aphro seem good with this, too. The usual suspects.
insane omg brb trying this
I also didn't understand if you only gain the bonus on parting shot from a backstab, or if you don't need to backstab to gain the bonus. The text looks clear and then you read it again...
are u using macro os something to pop all your casts instansly without any animation?
It's from the aspect of Hera.
@@Haelian oh, the new blessings mod? seems very nice
@@leo_vilelacurtiNot a mod, just an aspect on the bow....
@@Haelian aaaaaah, im on heat 15 with the bow but never used(read) any besides quiron and rama, my bad
Are the poms modded?
Finally an actual crazy damage, not a click bait 😂
Gratz to the chatter who got b2b ranger boots in RS! 16:10
Thanatos got 2 kills, run over.
Today I beat heat 20 with zag bow 🔥feel unstoppable
considering the video title i place my bet on you said its good.
That was a really cool build!
Hmmmmm haelian progression! No coughs
damn what a run
I won my first run with a build like this
Why does he leave the gems?
@@jorgulon - I asked myself the same thing and then I realized that he’s played the game so much that he doesn’t need it. He had about 45k (essence?) at the mirror.
How dare you censor the throat clear sound with Hades music at the start...
This build requires streamer/YT luck
Thesius kill had me almost vomiting. Shit was disgusting 🤯
God people get so good at this game, I'm like right at thirty runs and I still haven't beat Hades Yet, So much fast movement! I'll get there. Also why do you not pick up gems or health upgrades sometimes? Just gigga chadded out already? Ive been playing for like a week and a half off and on so i see this all from a rookies eyes 🤷🤷♂️🤷
Gaaad Dayummm this build obliterate s 😮❤
looks like you need to reevaluate zagbow on your tier list
and he said these builds didn't work
Those ahhh
😂 😂 😂 😂
no cough :(
I really feel that those videos, although their purpose is to help and explain, make it worse. I am trying the same with (only) 5 heat and I have already lost my first death defiance on first boss... lol I have managed to beat up to 9 heath with gloves, but all these RUclipsrs make it seem so easy, while it is not.
Great intro xDD
Your editor is becoming unhinged lmao
👁👄👁
XD i rank the throat clears but man that duck squeak was good XD 10/0
Good wark!res👌
Support Fire's true potential comes from Call boons, Haelian! Unless I'm an idiot and it doesn't help much there either. But it feels like it does!
Support Fire isn't triggered by Call boons 💀
@@Haelian I think he means the benefit support fire provides is that it helps build your calls faster, as many quick low damage hits seem to do.
@@Haelian yes but if your main damage is from your attack/special it doubles the rate at which the meter fills up, because the meter only counts instances of damage not how much damage
@@renneverbrightOH then sure it helps.
Repetitive