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  • @Andytron5000
    @Andytron5000 11 месяцев назад +205

    I think Chiron is so popular among new players because it delivers a big chunk of damage in one go and because it's ranged it feels safe. And the effect of all the arrows homing in looks cool.
    I don't speed run anything, but watching Hades speedruns made me way better at the game. I wasn't using my dash enough, I didn't know how the god pool or styx sacks worked, I didn't consider that some boons were better for certain weapons (hello Hera + Crush Shot). The Hermes Cup and later your videos made me a much stronger player, even if I still think anything above about 22 heat isn't much fun.

    • @Ch35h1r3C47
      @Ch35h1r3C47 11 месяцев назад +11

      It just FEELS good as well. You get a nice rhythm of the charged shot > dash > special.

    • @bipstymcbipste5641
      @bipstymcbipste5641 6 месяцев назад

      I never found the rhythum with the bow. I'm in it with shield and fists though. Like Hades said, bows are for pussies. Come at me, brah

  • @aaronsmicrobes8992
    @aaronsmicrobes8992 11 месяцев назад +88

    Curse of Nausea gives a ~43% increase to dps while Low Tolerance gives you 60%, so long as you can keep weak and 8 stacks of hangover on. This is actually an instance where that one aphro boon that makes weak last longer is moderately useful (still don't know why you can pom it though). I'd say Curse of Nausea is the better boon since it doesn't have extra conditions that have to be met, it's just a straight 43% increase.

  • @Biggestgeekever
    @Biggestgeekever 11 месяцев назад +39

    One thing this has over other OP Chiron builds is that hammers are essentially an "extra": you can apply the maximum possible drunken stacks with a single volley, so it becomes a game of finding duo boons and that's generally easier than hoping to find Relentless and/or Concentrated Volley.

  • @stephenomenal901
    @stephenomenal901 11 месяцев назад +13

    Underworld Customs is one of the first heat options I consistently started using. While it can have you making some difficult decisions, imo it has its place for several reasons:
    1. It teaches you not to be too dependent on specific boons as a requirement to win. YOU can do this.
    2. Whether you do or don't have Convenience Fee activated, it guarantees you extra gold if needed for wells and shops along the way*.
    3. If you don't like any of your choices, and don't have/want to waste keys, there's a decent chance that you'll get to purge a wack boon you felt forced to accept.
    4. It doesn't actually make the game harder in ways that matter (damage output or durability) but still helps you complete some heat-based objectives.
    UC just became a no-brainer, like Forced Overtime, as I built toward my first 32-heat win recently.
    *The only time UC really sucks is when you have a certain curse from Chaos active and can't receive gold.

  • @yuval521
    @yuval521 11 месяцев назад +73

    I find it better to get Aphrodite's attack and Artemis' cast instead. Aphrodite's attack gives me free privileged status as I have to attack an enemy to target it with chiron anyways. Also if i can get low tolerance later it means every enemy i target with chiron is already weak and can stack to 8. (Also heart rend can be cool but not as useful)

    • @TMind109
      @TMind109 11 месяцев назад +5

      Good stuff, the extra hangover stacks can contribute to Art/Dio duo boon and grant more crit chance by default which could make the attack that much stronger. Although some people say getting Ares is better for faster tic damage (ares/dio duo boon) which is really the main focus of this build is hang over damage

    • @yuval521
      @yuval521 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@TMind109 yeah what i like to do is get aphro on attack and ares on revenge then i can get both while the actual attack i have gives weak for low tolerance to work

  • @BBrecht
    @BBrecht 11 месяцев назад +8

    Totally agree on Chiron more generally - it's what carried me through 32 heat, but now a couple of years later I never feel the need to use it.

  • @DeeStrongfist
    @DeeStrongfist 11 месяцев назад +174

    I gotta stop watching your videos. We just finished 100% on the Xbox after I did on Steam. Now we need to go complete it on switch for the trifecta

    • @DudlesDev
      @DudlesDev 11 месяцев назад +22

      Owing hades on every platform possible is just fate, my friend

    • @trainzelda1428
      @trainzelda1428 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@DudlesDevThe son of the god of the dead shall one day break free from the realm in which he was born on each the various platforms:
      ✓Steam
      ✓Xbox
      PlayStation
      Switch
      iOS

    • @DeeStrongfist
      @DeeStrongfist 11 месяцев назад +11

      @@DudlesDev I bought it four times. Twice on PC, one for my friend. Switch and Xbox. Stop playing on the switch because of the performance.

    • @DudlesDev
      @DudlesDev 11 месяцев назад +6

      @DeeStrongfist Same, but sometimes sacrifices must be made for Hades on the go

    • @tgm.nabam101
      @tgm.nabam101 10 месяцев назад +3

      Hades is releasing on mobile too by Netflix games.

  • @justarandomdood
    @justarandomdood 11 месяцев назад +5

    27:22 interestingly, I know Celeste speedruns has no RNG that matters for humans (theres a little RNG with how spikes spawn that makes a difference for TAS, but that's not an issue outside of TAS)
    Yeah, I don't wanna be a speedrunner to get #1, but i do wanna get sub-10 on each weapon (*maybe* each aspect??) in Hades, sub-1-hour in Celeste and then optimize a little bit, but that's just a personal goal :P

    • @justarandomdood
      @justarandomdood 11 месяцев назад +1

      Oh lmao you mention it a moment later. Yeah, no RNG for humans, my mistakes can only be blamed on myself 😂

  • @nicemyth
    @nicemyth 11 месяцев назад +14

    I think for me the time i stopped caring about getting good, or rather getting unreasonably good, was when I did get good at one game. After you do it once the desire to be exceptional at a game kinda faded, like if i like a game i will make an effort to at least be better than most casual players but i don't have a pressing desire to surpass anyone because i know i have that one game that I'm pretty good at, where I did give my all and got good results.

    • @saam7737
      @saam7737 6 месяцев назад

      This is my mindset as well. I like to get above average at a lot of different games that interest me, rather than try and be super amazing at one. I just like bouncing from game to game, investing a lot of effort in a short period of time and then moving on.

  • @jR0xas
    @jR0xas 11 месяцев назад +10

    Chiron just fun because a lot of stuff works on it. You can go Aphro/Artemis, Dio, Zeus and Demeter works incredibly well too, probably my favorite.

    • @ItsMrBozToYou
      @ItsMrBozToYou 11 месяцев назад +2

      I have yet to find anything truly bad on the Chiron Special. Poseidon? Homing knockback + potential Sea Storm. Dio? You're drunk. Aphro? Concentrated volley + the bonus arrow hammer slaps. Artemis? Same. Demeter? Ten chill stacks to go boom is easy. Ares? Merciful end or doom stacks. Zeus? It's *Zeus.*

  • @rainingblades13
    @rainingblades13 11 месяцев назад +2

    In an attempt to get all the run clear messages (just hit 250, only have the 500 left), I started getting into (casual) speedrunning of Hades. I've thought about it/sorta tried for other games before, but never got anywhere with it. I think Hades was more appealing / easier to stick with because 1) each run is fairly short (minutes, not hours), 2) each run is different, which keeps things fresh (although also makes improving time a bit harder/more luck based), and ,by far the biggest reason, 3) the IGT means I can speedrun it wherever (I own it on the Switch) and don't have to worry about keeping track of time myself.

  • @stylishraptor5768
    @stylishraptor5768 8 месяцев назад +2

    Here's is an altered version of this build that I use:
    Attach: Aphrodite
    Special: Dionysus
    Cast: Artemis
    Dash: Any
    Call: any
    Vengeance: Ares
    start off with Dionysus and hope you get those gods in Tartarus. If you don't get attack, use Aphrodite's keepsake in Asphodel and the respective god's (that you don't have yet) keepsake for Elysium. Always go for the Duo boons. Optimal hammers are concentrated volley and relentless volley

    • @paulvansommeren
      @paulvansommeren 6 месяцев назад +1

      Add a splash dash so you're eligible for the 'all boons are epic' boon

    • @wildstorm3486
      @wildstorm3486 2 месяца назад

      @@paulvansommerenyou can do that but I find that while that duo is fun. It’s not really needed in this build. Besides this build already has 4 gods In the pool.
      Adding Poseidon is just a 5th god in the pool that makes it really hard to get the duos you really want.

  • @tomto8748
    @tomto8748 11 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for your vids! I just got through the game for the first time (after 31 attempts) and you helped me extremely with picking the correct boons.

  • @whatzittooyah9182
    @whatzittooyah9182 7 месяцев назад +6

    Coming back to this again after playing Hades 2 for a bit. Extremely funny that Hades lightly pokes fun at Zagreus’s heterochromia. He really can’t say anything now that Kid #2 has the same eyes. Sir that’s your strong genetics

  • @Izzet99
    @Izzet99 10 месяцев назад +8

    i hate speedruns in general because it makes me feel anxious while playing the game and cant play at my own pace

  • @vellichor7676
    @vellichor7676 11 месяцев назад +3

    8:20 "How do we feel about speedrun challenges?"
    I love it, and they're some of my favorite videos you do. In fact, I'd love a video (or videos) of you just going as hard as you possibly could lol. Presumably using Hera, seeing the lowest time you could get.

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  11 месяцев назад +2

      Most of my PBs are on here! Here's my best ever 3 weapon run (very try hard): ruclips.net/video/zK9kofkLP-E/видео.html
      I know for a lot of my "casual" videos I often take things that are more fun than actually good (or so I say), it's probably because YT doesn't see the dozens or even hundreds of resets from doing speedruns where I always take the best things every attempt. So I get kinda bored of taking those and try to do other stuff in videos like this.

    • @vellichor7676
      @vellichor7676 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@Haelian I love the casual, goofy runs, too lol. You're one of the few RUclipsrs whose thumbnail I click no matter what the video is, so do whatever's most fun.

  • @PenanceisNigh
    @PenanceisNigh 7 месяцев назад

    I usually hate math, but I ended up doing the math for this, 24:40 technically the aphro duo is better, because (assuming your hangover damage is six, you can do the same calculations with higher numbers of course) it deals 12 damage per second at base, then, if the stack multiplies the way I think it does(each stack dealing an additional 12 damage per second) then you would deal 96 dps. Meanwhile, while the base DPS rate with the ares boon is 18 at base, the total DPS with stacks is lower at 90 dps. Of course if you can get both it'd be HELLA strong, at 144 dps.
    Edit: the above is assuming I did my math right(stoned)

  • @poisonrain87
    @poisonrain87 9 месяцев назад

    On the topic of speedrunning, I think the monster hunter series is a great introduction to casual speed running. It tracks your time for each fight in game, so you can simply work on killing monsters faster. It's a great way to compete with yourself. You can also do Arenas which are standardized builds, and you compete for global (steam region) times.

  • @thatotheratrocity
    @thatotheratrocity 5 месяцев назад +1

    from my experience the sneak started showing up either after stix or a fight with hades, win not required

  • @littlebumgorf
    @littlebumgorf 11 месяцев назад

    I love speedrunning Hades and I'm thinking about streaming Hades 2 EA... I went down from 14 something on the fists, to Hera 13:36 (with EM4 turned on), and then Hera 12:48! I would be satisfied if i could get to 10 minutes or sub 10 before H2EA comes out. I watch you and the world records to learn how to kill enemies more efficiently. The repetitiveness is really soothing for me after a day of work. I have like maybe 800 runs in hades. I tend to play seeds out because resetting feels "bad," I can't explain it lol. I almost reset the 12:48 Hera run because I could not get crush shot until elysium. but I got flurry shot and twin shot and I played it out.

  • @stupxd
    @stupxd 11 месяцев назад +6

    Speaking of ambiguity bonus, there is some lore explaining it. When you get it first time, sisyphus asks if you doubt bouldy! You just gotta keep believing 🙏

  • @zaizibear
    @zaizibear 8 месяцев назад +3

    4:10 the sneak isnt in the game until you reach the surface for the first time, not when you get the first clear bc i just reached the surface for the first time and died :( but i have now found the sneak and demeter

  • @jenniferchough
    @jenniferchough 8 месяцев назад

    Prolly Chiron+Curse of Nausea is my favorite build for fun (Ares on attack). I just pommed/mom-pommed the eff out of the dot as much as possible, I think level 24 or something. It just melts things. Shoot enemies once and walk away. Great on bosses too as it ticks chunks off health while you’re doing other stuff like taking care of adds.

  • @Ch35h1r3C47
    @Ch35h1r3C47 11 месяцев назад +2

    I think this is pretty much the build i first beat 32 heat with. I didnt have ares though, i think i got Broseidon + Dio and got the expert boons duo super early in tartarus. I had the athena dash too. Same attack, special and call though,
    You really do get nutso call buildup with chiron + dio.

  • @zacharyjohnson7944
    @zacharyjohnson7944 9 месяцев назад +1

    I don’t really care to try and speed run, I really prefer to play at my own pace and really enjoy the game rather than do my best to break it or only play a perfect meta build. Especially in a game like this where there’s so many options. If you’re speed running the Cod campaign (I wouldn’t do this either lol) you know whatever, but a game like hades I’ll just enjoy casually.

  • @CarlYota
    @CarlYota 9 месяцев назад

    The thing thing that finally got me to my first hades kill after 80 attempts (many with top tier Chiron builds) is I got Hermes move speed, more dash, and move speed after dashing. I was insanely fast and this gave me a ton of survivability , which was my issue with hades. I just kept getting hit. Being able to get the hell out of danger instantly was clutch.
    For this reason I actually like flurry shot, and it may even be better for me than the two traditional hammer upgrades because you can jump out of cover shoot and run super fast with no need to charge.

    • @wolfferoni
      @wolfferoni 8 месяцев назад

      Sounds like athena on dash might've been helpful for you since it can be tough getting all those hermes boons.

  • @sheldonhuang906
    @sheldonhuang906 11 месяцев назад +2

    I don’t really like chiron in particular because it felt really slow, I’ve cleared every aspect on 32 heat and chiron is the only one I have to set tight deadline to 7 minutes

    • @sheldonhuang906
      @sheldonhuang906 11 месяцев назад

      Never mind I just cleared 32 heat 5 minutes deadline chiron with seastorm

  • @dktrox
    @dktrox 11 месяцев назад

    When it comes to speedrunning I think people should want to based on love of a game. I recently finished 32 heat on all weapons and now finished sub 10 minutes on one weapon. Plan to do all weapons sub 10 and attempt fresh start clear. Hades is just that addictive to me. Only logged more hours on Skyrim, FF8, and FF12.

  • @IWLGaming
    @IWLGaming 7 месяцев назад

    Random info: The sneak is def in the game before you get a clear. I've fought it and didn't get my first clear until last night.

  • @9-volt461
    @9-volt461 7 месяцев назад

    my favorite bow build is probably hunters mark aspect of zagreus artemis attack and pressure points you crit almost everytime i beat the game with it yesterday

  • @goodgulfgas
    @goodgulfgas 11 месяцев назад +2

    I like speed running against myself, just trying to get a new PB.

  • @AronFigaro
    @AronFigaro 5 месяцев назад

    Low Tolerance gives you 1.6 times hangover damage as long as you can upkeep weak, which should be always on bosses, or almost always. 0. Curse of Nausea gives 1.42 times hangover damage, period. It goes from 2 ticks per second to a bit under 3. So Low Tolerance is always the stronger boon if you can upkeep Weak reliably.

  • @NeloXXXX
    @NeloXXXX 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you for another adventure ❤

  • @Abel-n6o
    @Abel-n6o 8 месяцев назад

    sneak can appear after REACHING [REDACTED] once, so you dont have to beat him

  • @lxagamer3
    @lxagamer3 11 месяцев назад +1

    Imo the most fun way to do this build is without Artemis and to instead go Aphro attack with whatever fourth god you want, preferably Athena. I just feel like the duo with Artemis isn't good

  • @riddlesphinxx
    @riddlesphinxx 9 месяцев назад

    Most people when running this try to put a status boon on the attack (instead of Artemis) to more easily trigger the 40% 3 status damage

  • @GunmarTheBlack
    @GunmarTheBlack 8 месяцев назад

    I had started the climb through playing rounds of increased heat on my switch and that was probably a few months after it came out? I'll go back to it every once in awhile but now that I have a PS5 I haven't been getting on my switch except for like giveaways for other games that other RUclipsrs are doing so Hades was on sale recently on my PS5 so I got that and like the third escape I played with my shield I went all the way through and defeated Lernie, all I had was the first set of Night mirror upgrades, one death defiance, and I only had 20 health the whole fight it was beautiful to watch I was holding my breath the whole time, I didn't realize how much playing on the switch was holding me back 😂😅

  • @TAdejuju
    @TAdejuju 11 месяцев назад

    Didn't link that vid in the description! Sounds like an interesting watch

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  11 месяцев назад

      OOPS www.speedrun.com/challenges/5e3eoymq-pop_tlc-pit-of-eternal-sands-10-000-speedrun-challenge

  • @k3Fallen
    @k3Fallen 7 месяцев назад

    I got my first full run with this build on run 18. Its a wonderbuild lmao

  • @Revelatus
    @Revelatus 8 месяцев назад

    haha this is my most used build and the build I did 32 heat with. I prefer to have Aphro attack tho, so as soon as you attack them they are already weakened.

  • @Razarex
    @Razarex 11 месяцев назад

    With Chiron you should really be firing 2-3 specials per attack against bigger enemies! Or 4 with any amount of special speed

  • @jackk.4455
    @jackk.4455 11 месяцев назад

    i did try to speedrun diablo 2 resurrected about 2-3 month after release on a poison necro..... i was little over 3 hours slower at the end of act 2 wich is where i figgured that a necro might not be the fastest choice. I did have lots of fun on my try tho

  • @4g3nt06
    @4g3nt06 4 месяца назад

    I do this but with the Zagreus aspect and with Ares Doom

  • @dyno9415
    @dyno9415 11 месяцев назад

    I got my first 16 hear run with chiron and dionysis

  • @trainzelda1428
    @trainzelda1428 11 месяцев назад

    Is relentless volley actually worth if dio only stacks 5/8 times? Its diminishing returns after that, I'd rather have flurry shot

    • @trainzelda1428
      @trainzelda1428 11 месяцев назад

      If Zeus or arctic blast demeter on special I'd go for it but not dio

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  11 месяцев назад

      Either option is fine there really.

    • @uranus256
      @uranus256 10 месяцев назад

      there is a duo boon that allows hangover to stack more than 5 times so I assumed that was the reason he picked relentless volley.

    • @bodacious12
      @bodacious12 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@uranus256 Chiron already fires 8 shots which is the cap with that duo

  • @wolfsyndicate1729
    @wolfsyndicate1729 8 месяцев назад

    I did this build before and yeah it was a blast

  • @gp6763
    @gp6763 11 месяцев назад

    I'm surprised with the choice of Dionysos for the special, I'm mean... It's cool and all but against bosses, once you've maxed out hangover doesn't it stop scaling ? Not an expert but wouldn't Zeus or Artemis have more dps ?
    Having say that I'm sure if that's the speed runner's choice there is a very good reason I don't really understand

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  11 месяцев назад +1

      Artemis might be better but is more dependent on getting the right hammers, Zeus isn't great because there's a cooldown on the lightning strikes. Chiron isn't great for speedrunning in general, this is just a fun build you can do with it.

  • @UltravioletArts
    @UltravioletArts 11 месяцев назад

    Woah woah woah where is the info about the bounty!

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  11 месяцев назад

      OOP

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  11 месяцев назад

      www.speedrun.com/challenges/5e3eoymq-pop_tlc-pit-of-eternal-sands-10-000-speedrun-challenge

  • @hm02fly75
    @hm02fly75 11 месяцев назад

    Speedrunning got me back into gaming. I hadn't really been gaming after the PS2 generation but I randomly came across some Dark Souls 1 speedruns right as Dark Souls 3 was about to release and it was just wildly entertaining to me and it made me want to play those games. I personally don't speedrun just because of the time investment and I personally enjoy a more chill gaming experience but watching them is fun.

  • @CooperDobson
    @CooperDobson 10 месяцев назад

    I would probably use aphro's attack to activate privileged status and take artemis's cast for duo boon.

  • @C1azed
    @C1azed 9 месяцев назад

    best part of speedruning is meme runs

  • @pexdark
    @pexdark 11 месяцев назад +1

    How do you exactly speedrun roblox?

  • @smcmillen01
    @smcmillen01 Месяц назад

    Probably been asked before but why don't you pick up gemstones from bosses?

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  Месяц назад

      Don't need'em

  • @thiagocerqueira9473
    @thiagocerqueira9473 7 месяцев назад +1

    I… i did it??
    I cleared 32 heat?
    With the build on the video???? (An absolutely atrocious version cause i got no duo boons lmao + God Mode on cause now I just want to finish getting the stuff I’m missing)

  • @mekyoo_o
    @mekyoo_o 11 месяцев назад

    and recommend eris builds for 16 heat?

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  11 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/15I2K_15kcI/видео.html

  • @onetwofourfive
    @onetwofourfive 11 месяцев назад

    Ah the build that you’ll have pain in your thumb after playing a bit on controller :D

  • @tuvshinb3277
    @tuvshinb3277 6 месяцев назад

    i did this with ares special and aphrodite attack

  • @xredxsixx4871
    @xredxsixx4871 11 месяцев назад

    I love speed running but I'm way to much of a completionest to pull off speed runs myself lol 😆

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 11 месяцев назад

      100% runs of games are very much a thing! for example the Celeste 100% run world record is just under 1h40m

  • @brockjohnson100
    @brockjohnson100 11 месяцев назад

    Since you asked, I couldn’t care less about speed running.

  • @rankomatejic1233
    @rankomatejic1233 8 месяцев назад

    Why does Haelian pauses game so much? Is there any particular reason to it or?

    • @Haelian
      @Haelian  8 месяцев назад +2

      Habit from Tight Deadline, pausing stops the clock.

    • @rankomatejic1233
      @rankomatejic1233 8 месяцев назад

      @@Haelian ty for the reply ❤️

  • @nananakeson
    @nananakeson 4 месяца назад

    Lol we pretty much speedrun the same games

  • @kyleyoung9326
    @kyleyoung9326 7 месяцев назад

    i know this comment probably wont be seen by anyone, but to answer your question in this video regarding speed running, personally i dont do it for a multitude of reasons 1. time - i have to work 2 jobs just to get by in life, i dont have any time for myself, and the time i do have for myself i ant to spend it relaxing to make up for all the lack of time i have to relax through out the week. 2. the games i enjoy either have ridiculously fast speed runs like from 7-15 minutes, or the speed runs are like this game where unless i get god tier roles with RNG, i'd be spending 25+ minutes on just a single run, which also gets tossed back in to the timing aspect. The shorter minute ones are games that i just dont see myself being able to get that fast at, like i'll barely beat the game in 30+ minutes when i'm TRYING to go fast lmao I also feel like peoples builds dont work the same for me as they do for others. I tried doing a build exactly like this one, but i just dont seem to beat the bosses or the monsters from room to room all that fast, either i'm not doing enough damage, or my tick damage isn't doing enough, and i look up how to make it better, do what i have to to make it better, and i just dont see the results. 🤷‍♂ So i feel like i just dont understand things the way others do, maybe specific way to use certain weapons/attacks, and how to do things to make the damage better, but i also, once again, dont have the time to research it in order to get better lmao

  • @ThatGuy6T9
    @ThatGuy6T9 11 месяцев назад +11

    The only thing more consistent than your Hades videos is the glory of your clickbait titles.

    • @JherkinTheGherkin
      @JherkinTheGherkin 11 месяцев назад +3

      Don't forget the throat clear 😂

    • @dylanberger8701
      @dylanberger8701 11 месяцев назад +6

      THIS BUILD ATE MY DOG AND IF YOURE NOT CAREFUL ITLL EAT YOURS TOO!!!!