Why Won't Catholicism Allow Women Priests? (
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Many Catholics would leave if the Church suddenly turned Mainline Protestant. Those Mainline Protestant denominations are disappearing because they bend to pressure from the world.
Rome protestantized our Holy liturgy of the Mass with Vatican ii. Yet Catholics, instead of refusing to comply with these diabolical changes to the liturgy, leaving and walking out of this atrocity of a so-called mass (the novus ordo liturgy), Catholics just sat back and accepted it. We just sit back, follow the modern misguidings of Vatican ii Rome rather than use our love for Christ to reason the truth that Vatican ii is evil.
@@nocompromisecatholicfaithful Rubbish. The mass is the mass because the bishops and priests have received the authority to celebrate it via Apostolic Succession. The tridentine while old isn't the original language or style. Originally Aramaic and much simpler.
@@jaqian Read the council of Trent with all it's dogmatic canons and the papal bull of Pope St. Pius V, Quo Primum. Any pastor of the Church, including any Pope, who dares to touch that defined, dogmatic liturgy will incur the wrath of God and of the apostles Peter and Paul.
Right but the church can't do that. The HS won't let that happen. I mean if we could we probably would have done that a long time ago.
@@nocompromisecatholicfaithful Also, allowing only men to be priests is dogmatic right? So the Pope, by the power of the Holy Spirit, can't change that, correct?
This is why I love being Catholics. Our faith is a combination of both reason and faith, which is awesome.
@CASTRATO.........UnDefendable............ask your priest about Matthew 19;12.
This is nonsense.
“I will send my terror before you, I will overthrow every people you enter, I will show you all your enemies from behind (Exodus 23-23); “When the Lord your God brings you into the land which you have just taken possession of and drives out many nations before you, the Hittite, the Girgashite, the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perrizite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, seven nations more numerous and stronger than you, when the Lord your God has delivered them to you and you have defeated them, you will condemn them completely to the ban (Deuteronomy 7,1). The cause of Israel and that of Yahweh, her God, overlap in these wars, both offensive and defensive. The victories are then presented as political as well as religious victories (Numbers 21, 21-25; Joshua 6,12; Judges 3,12 and 15, 11-17). In their prayers even the Hebrews wish the annihilation of those they fight: “Come to our aid against the adversary, for the help of man is illusion. With God we will do exploits; it is he who will trample down our adversaries” (Psalm 60, 13-14). God even seems to find it normal that war is a component of human life.
God: war is peace, and peace is war…. keep beating yourself up.
@@SimonSimon-rn3tm What is?
For some of us
I’m a woman and catholic, and I have no problem with men only being priests. Trust Jesus knew why he had male disciples.. you can still be a nun
True. That argument goes two ways, why not male nuns lmao
@GreenJordan 30 whats wrong with pedophiles as alter servers?
@@Matt-rc5hf There are religious brothers in monasteries, some of which who don't become priests.
Now can any of you actually prove that for is real? Otherwise this whole thing is based on a lie.
@@Matt-rc5hf "male nuns" are called monks lol
I'm a Catholic female and I absolutely have no problem in only men being priests. I love it that way
I don't.
Obviously youve been very successfully brainwashed. Or else you never learned how to think for yourself.
The power of the all male priesthood is that it's men that cannot be fathers/hubands. Unlike in Protestantism, where fathers get self titled as a preacher/head of a household/holder of the book etc, this of course compounds with the bible having so many macho men who have multiple wives etc. Whereas Catholic priests are more like the New Testament men. What this means is no woman/wife is forced to look at her husband as the ultimate male force in her community. I know that's a really strange thing to say, but it makes a lot of sense when you walk into the alternative. Where men will make themselves the loudest/biggest voices in the room and thump a bible in their hand like they're they the Samson or the Solomon.
Me too, but I didn't understand the bishop answer
Well that settles it
While I don't disagree with anything he said, he didn't actually answer the question. Being a Saint may be what is most important, and anyone can be a saint, but it doesn't answer the question why women couldn't be priests. ^^
The Church is the bride of Christ. Think of that.
I sense a mystery, JESUS APOSTLES AND THEIR DISCIPLES WERE MEN, IN THE OLD TESTAMENT GOD FATHER CHOSE MEN TO BE HIS PRIESTS AND GOD FATHER CHOSE TWELVE MEN TO BE THE LEADER OF EACH TRIBES OF ISRAEL. WOMEN CAN DO OTHER RELIGIOUS THINGS IF THEY WANT TO SERVE GOD AND BE HOLY.
Tess Chavit and to add to you comment, during the sacrifice of the mass the priest acts in personae Christi by offering Christ’s true body and blood to the Father. Modernists tend to think that this is demeaning to women but fail to realize that it was through Mary that God crushed the serpent. Her acceptance of God’s will began the reconciliation of humanity. It reversed Eve’s and Adam’s sin. God could have done this without Mary but chose to allow humanity the freedom to accept or decline His offer for redemption. Mary spoke for all of humanity when she accepted God’s offer of redemption. So a woman who follows God’s will holds a tremendous place of honor and power in God’s plan and church.
I think this is a problem partly generated by the superficial fundamentalists reading of the Bible prevalent today. Catholicism reads the Bible on at least four different levels. All through the Bible there is a theme of God relating to mankind as a husband to a wife. In the Old Testament God decries his unfaithful spouse chasing after Baal. A lack of understanding of modern man of the ancient meaning of covenant causes us to miss the depth of Jesus saying this is a covenant in my blood. Male and female be the bride of your spouse God. The priest has only one function no one else in the Church can do. He stands in for Christ at the Consecration and at Confession. In mission territories often there is no priest on Sunday but they still worship doung the entire liturgical service sans the consecration and giving communion with previously consecrated hosts from the priests last visit. The Mass is the wedding supper of the Lamb from Revelation and we the Church are the bride. The priest stands in for the groom.
Right....it only answers Postmodern's obsession with seeing systems as being negative, patriarchal power structures....and then trying to bring them down.
Many doctors of the church are women. Historically, women were busy making babies.
Maybe women should be priests, but that is not what Postmodern is truly concerned about? And, that worldview does a poor job at times of creating a meaningful equality.
We'll see....I suspect female deacons emerge first.
Why do women want to be priests anyway? You can't marry, you work all the time....not an easy job. It's sacrificial to the core.
In general, equal opportunity is a legitimate concept though....so we'll see.
I guess it would be like woman asking why she can't be a father instead of a mother.
well these days we do have men claiming they are mothers and women claiming they are fathers... never mind biological reality...
Do priests use their genitalia for service?? How is your comparison even slightly logical??
sanchitomemito there is a sexual component to the liturgy that does not involve genetalia but speaks to an abstract of it. Christ impregnates us with truth and grace not the other way around. Since the priest is standing in for Christ, the spiritual component of sexuality in this instance is realized. This is also why the Church is refered to as "she." I hope this clarifies.
What the hell? Christ impregnates us with truth and grace?
By this reasoning, only women can be parishoners, otherwise all catholic men who are not priests are having abstract gay sex with Christ.
Visda58 This communion stuff is quite exciting.
Honestly, my life got so much easier when i just said that i want to be a saint. I had been so afraid to desire it for a long while and i felt i didn't have to want it because it demanded so much, but i have never been more glad of admitting anything else. I'm falling every single minute of the day, but grace gets me back up. I absolutely love my big sister, St. Therese of Lisieux. She had it right. We are called to love. Love is the only language common among saints, don't matter if you got baptized at a young age or the day before your earthly departure. Love is the wind on these heavenly sails🙏🏾Catholic ladies, let's be saints in the most awesome way possible. Let's not harden our hearts and just call unto God for His Strength is made perfect in our weakness
Bingo. Authority comes from walking the talk in terms of one's holiness. Mother Teresa stood up in front of a graduating class of Harvard Law and declared that abortion was the greatest poverty of our times. They gave her a standing ovation. If I or someone
less holy stood up at that commencement and declared this, we'd be torn apart. Why? Because in Mother Teresa, her holiness and willingness to serve all people as the Gospel calls us all to, she could speak from the authority that this afforded her. Sadly, those advocating women priests are still focused on 'who's the boss' rather than 'be Holy as your Heavenly Father is holy.' (Mt 5).
They also miss it on the nature of the Church and her authority. We are not Protestants in which we can create rules and teachings on a whim. It does not create Dogma, it discovers it. It does not have authority to create Dogma and so cannot, as JP II clearly stated, overstep its delegated authority to create women priests.
Abortion didn’t exist before our times?
Well said.
So well said.
@@RPlavo Not relevant to the point.
It's a good answer but it's ultimately a dodge of the question
Not really. Its answering the question on a deeper level. I beg you, why not male nuns?
I thought the same thing.
Additionally, as he said, it is a famously complicated issue and he couldn’t possibly get into all of it. So he didn’t, but you may need all the complexity to answer it in a truly persuasive manner.
He said institution, it has been that way ever since and still an institution until today being a member of priesthood, having a female priest or even thinking of having could disrupt the institutional system, so the women can lead and officiate mass, but it is not what the priesthood is aiming for that is to make the laity Holy and become a saint. I think it was answered not by reason because eventually it will be followed by another question. So he answered that the preisthood important objective -make saint out of the laity.
0:12 he explicitly said he wasn't going to answer the question, just to clarify and contextualize it.
@CoryTheRaven Oh come on! What if I were to tell you that you're not allowed to commit murder or have an abortion or sexually abuse a child? Would that be paternalistic? Can adult men never tell adult women not to do certain things?! As for equality, the only equality that matters is our equal opportunity to be saints, to do the will of God radically. If that's a "runner-up prize" to being a priest, then you and I are on very different pages.
Bishop Robert Barron I think it's very hypocritical of you to say woman who want to be priests "desire power" when power has been one of the Roman church's ultimate goals for many years. Pope, bishops, these titles and positions make the RCC look like a hierarchy. How about letting anyone who wishes become a priest or pastor....
santheman No, God chooses the priests and pastors, NOT man. If man chooses the pastors, it's protestantism... but that isn't the Biblical way.
Jeremiah 3:15
And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
Again, popes and bishops are offices found in scripture and God has given more than enough proof in the Bible that the Roman Catholic Church is Jesus Christ's Bride...
Philippians 1:1
Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the BISHOPS and DEACONS:
Titus 1:7-9
For a BISHOP must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
As for St Peter being the first Pope, consult Matthew 16:18 - Jesus gives the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven and the ability to bind and loose to St Peter ALONE - and John 21:15-17 shows that Christ entrusted His flock to St Peter, making him the head shepherd - the pope.
Again, read the Acts of the Apostles, it should be clear that St Peter is the leader of the apostles and the Catholic Church at that time. Especially note this verse:
Acts 15:7-9
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made CHOICE among us, that the Gentiles by MY mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
See how God chose the Apostle Peter to be the pope? No legitimate pope could choose themselves: the Lord needs to ordain them and make it clear to the Church that they are to be the leader.
That verse has a similarity with this from the Old Testament:
1 Chronicles 28:4
Howbeit the Lord God of Israel chose me before all the house of my father to be king over Israel for ever: for he hath chosen Judah to be the ruler; and of the house of Judah, the house of my father; and among the sons of my father he liked me to make me king over all Israel...
God sovereignly ordained David to be king of Israel. He didn't choose to be king, God chose him. And just as the kingdom of Israel in the OT foreshadows the Church, David, the visible head of the 'church' under God, the invisible head of the 'church' is succeeded by St Peter, the visible head of the Church under Christ, the invisible head of the Church.
Finally, Acts 1:23-26 proves apostolic succession, and that the office of pope should continue, just as the office of king didn't cease after Saul or David. Hope this helps. With love...
Well the Catholic Church has been telling priests it can't abuse children for years. Look how that worked out.
Jesus Christ Is Lord Does this mean that God chooses the priests who go on to abuse children as well?
@@JJAwesome77 Good thing our goal isn't to be an 'officially recognized" saints then isn't it?
But my advice if you want to be a saint is to be like Mary. Besides Jesus, there was no one as perfect as she, and that is true power. However, my advice if you desire to be recognized by the world, is don't because you will fail miserably.
He’s right, but he didn’t answer the question.
And you can do that in 2 minutes. I think he did the best to paint their aspirations
He did but you didnt catch it. The priest a servant of the laity. The bishop supports the priests and the pope supports them all. Their whole function is to get you to heaven.
I thought the exact same thing but the guy never asks a question. A question is in the title but not in the video lol. The guy just makes a statement and waits for a response.
The main point is the following:
A priest is necessary for the distribution of the sacraments. And to understand why women can’t become priests you need first to understand what the holy mess is. If you don’t understand the mystical meaning of the holy mess you will never understand why women can’t become priests.
In the holy mess, especially during the consecration of the holy communion, we are transferred mystically - if you feel it or not doesn’t matter - transfered to Golgotha under cross of Christ’s crucifiction. And in that Moment the priest is in persona Christi in a mystical way. So: Christ was a man. You cannot change that fact. If God wanted a woman to take over the cross and die on the cross he would have taken his mother, Mary. And the next point is that Manhood would never had fallen by Eves eating of the forbidden fruit. That’s what Jews always believed and what Jesus also said to Luisa Piccarreta. If Adam wouldn’t have had eaten manhood would never had fallen! That’s why it’s necessary that men are priests and represent Jesus and that’s why God incarnated into a man and not a woman. It was necessary that a man goes through this suffering as it was a man who made us all fall. Neither Eve nor Mary would have had the power to let us fall so deeply or to rescue us. They assisted and helps the man as it is a teamplay of Eve and Adam versus Jesus and Mary. Nevertheless it was Adams duty to protect the garden and us women. And it was Jesus duty to save us!
That’s the reason why women are never going to become priests. It’s the duty of men to enter in persona Christi and sacrifice themselves and Christ during holy mess.
Paul del Junco it’s because women have no authority over mankind. They were the first sinners. Christ was man, no woman can imitate that.
@CoryTheRaven Sure it does, for the main reason women give for wanting to be priests is that they want power. My suggestion is that real power has to do with sanctity and not with holding a particular office in the church. I don't see how summoning women to radical holiness is paternalistic.
Compared to God I suppose everybody is equally powerless but what we are talking about in this context is the chance to be used in an important way by God. It is hard to say that the priesthood is not important as a source of sanctity and authority. Fr Barron explains in another video that the authority of the church is important like a referee is important in a game. Of course, one can fall back on "whatever God says (or passes on as part of rightly guided dogma) must be right" but seems like one group are being excluded from an important role and that sends an unfortunate message.
Bishop Robert Barron
Bishop (then Father) Barron can pretend he and other bishops have no real power, but of course they do. Everyone is called to sanctity so his reply is a distraction from the issue of female priests. So yes, women are presently excluded from some very important offices in the Church. Your reasoning is impeccable.
If jesus wanted women priest he would of had a female apostle. And why does everything have to go the way WE WANT. It's not ours it's GOD'S. The Father is 100% right. I'd rather be a saint than a priest. God looks at as the same. Worry about your salvation not about what society thinks and wants. While everything around is falling we can always call the church home. Now gays want power to marry in the church. And females to be priest. Seriously where is it going to stop.
Bishop Robert Barron what a dodge. Just admit the church doesn’t allow it because it follows 2,000 year biblical ideology that doesn’t allow women to teach or speak in public.
As a woman, only male priests, please! Let’s honor God and tradition. I was speaking with a Catholic sister the other day who was saying, “we refer to the ‘Church’ in the feminine, so having a female priest would make it a lesbian Church.” I’ve never thought of it that way, but she’s right. 😂
This is a really good point… lol
There's a reason we call priests "Father" and not "Mother". The priest in the sacraments is In Persona Christi, or in the person of Christ, taking on the role of Christ, and Jesus works through the priest in the sacraments. Since this is true, it makes sense to say that a woman cannot be a priest because she cannot be In Persona Christi, simply because Jesus Christ is a man, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all masculine in nature and essence, not feminine.
Early church fathers wrote that priests also acted in the person of the community!
The Word is feminine. The Word is the wisdom of The Lord and it was female.
you are retarded. It's not The Word, it's The Logos, and women are not logical.@@krishnarjunmukherjee7987
It’s easy to say power doesn’t matter, when you have all of it.
He kind of sidestepped the question.
I don't think so. He answered it at the beginning of his comments. The women who want female priests want power(in the church as I understand it), the priesthood is about service and humility. He said it's not about power in that form There are also other reasons he didn't have time
As a priest, he often touches on the root of the issue more than the direct question. I think he could have elaborated more on the specific question but it’s kind of obvious he didn’t have time.
@@annaraeellison3417 well, if it's about humility and not about power, then are women incapable of service and humility? Is that the reason why they are excluded from priesthood?
@John Cena Catholicism is not a fundamentalist branch of Christianity. I think it is more about tradition for a very conservative institution. Ethics in modern societies tends to promote certain equalities for women. So male only priesthood will be an issue that will continue to be asked.
@Lang
So you’re saying that love is irrelevant? It is an emotion =feeling. You’ve just negated God who is Love.
It’s taken me along time to truly understand this …..we are called to be Holy
A wise post. We are all called to this journey.... together and in community.
This is a first-class exercise in how not to answer a question by changing the subject, even though the subject changed to is the more important. Then you can give the impression that the question actually asked is misguided or not important at all. Frankly, this cheap avoidance tactic will not do, especially from a great Catholic scholar and teacher of Robert Barron's status.
Frankly, labeling it as you did a “cheap avoidance tactic” is inaccurate. He made apparent that he didn’t have the ability to answer that particular question thoroughly within the time constraint, and so gave food for thought on a closely-related matter. In addition, he’s answered it before. Take a look around and I’m sure you’ll find it.
@@josephmanno4514 Greetings Joseph - and thank you. Indeed, I acknowledge that the adjective 'cheap' was (on refection) unnecessary, and perhaps a little cheap of me, but I still think it was an avoidance tactic. On the other videos, I have only found one. I've just run through it, but that was intended as a consideration of the wider role of women in the RC church. In particular, it tackled the all too common misunderstanding that women are too much played down in the church. As such, it was, as is usual from Bishop Barron, hugely thought provoking and he presented some convincing evidence that the accusation is untrue. But this is quite separate from the specific issue of (even the very possibility of) women priests. My conclusion: Barron seems to be avoiding the issue. At the very least, he seems far less upfront on the matter than he is on almost anything else. But I may be wrong. Perhaps I haven't looked hard enough. What I would like to see is his take on the usual arguments against women as priests. I really would be grateful if you could furnish me with some specific sources here, including things in writing.
@@josephmanno4514 Well said!! Being a woman myself I don't understand why we jump at everything instead of doing what matters!!.. that is- be a saint or atleast imitate one & leave the rest to God. 🙄😒
I love the point about "institutional power" vs. power in the church. Good stuff.
With respect to the Bishop, he has side-stepped the issue. The question wasn't whether Catholicism allowed women to be saints, but rather about priesthood. If we judge that saints have more power/importance to the church and they can be male or female, then why should it not apply to priests (who are inferior accordingly). Priests have a lot of power in the church - they're someone you can physically interact with (as opposed to saints). The issue is, shouldn't this power also be available to women, who are equal under God? Now you can make the argument that men are more suited for priesthood, but that is more dubious and the Bishop does not make that argument anyway.
In terms of my background I am Protestant, so I'm definitely open to perspectives from Catholics :)
It is you that are side-stepping
He explained that the power in the church is not about structural power, but about the power of piety.
As a protestant you are unaware of the communion of saints.
We as Catholics know that the world will fade away. But not so eternity in heaven.
God bless and open your eyes and your understanding.
You are exactly right, he definitely side-stepped the issue by redirecting us to saints rather than priests. There is no way this would convince somebody who was on the fence about being catholic. Of course someone like Pat Aherne here is gonna think this answer suffices since he is already catholic. I would like to hear his longer more drawn out answer that he eluded to to see if he could answer it more convincingly.
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 The reality is that the "structure," is the problem.
the point being made is that power is not coming from priesthood. priesthood is a duty instituted by Jesus to certain men who He calls. why must a woman feel she is needing to be a priest to be powerful? the want for power is a desire that comes from the devil. it is why Jesus explains that true leadership is coming from servitude to others.. and that is the call to everyone who follows Him. women have an ability that men cannot have - the ability to conceive new life inside her. this is powerful but a heavy responsibility given to some women..that men never seem to complain that they cannot do... because the weight of it is more understood. i think if the weight of priesthood is truly understood, it would be the same. i hope that helps. :)
And that, politicians, is how it’s done!
And you ignored the whole point about the saints...
@@patricksoares6253
The question wasn’t about saints...
@@mogauthier0000 But what matters to the Church are the saints, and he is a bishop of the Church
Exactly how it’s done, gosh darn jolly Bishop Barron
He avoided answering the question, by kind of changing the subject to about being a saint. He would make a good politician.
He is right though. Women dont need to be priests when they can reach true power in the form of sainthood. Why would you want to be a priest anyway? You can be a nun
No, he answered the question by addressing the underlying REASON women want to become priests.
Because they want power and authority and stature.
Thus he responded that if you truly want to be “powerful”, not in the worldly sense, but in the spiritual sense, then become a saint.
If you’re a woman and you want to become a priest in order to do God’s will, and change the world, become and saint, you don’t need to become a priest.
But don’t forget, in order to become a saint you must be HUMBLE and obedient to God.
That is if they truly want to have an impact on the world.
Or do they just want to have power and authority over others? Is it just about them having a high position and stature?
I would have liked to see the question posed as the title for this video addressed.
You didn't answer the question.
The title of this video doesn't match what is in the video
Love you very much, Bishop Robert Barron. But in this video you confuse me. On the one hand you say, "priests are servants." And on the other, you presume that women who want to be priests "desire power." Why wouldn't you presume that they "desire to serve"? Sr. Vassa
+Coffee with Sr. Vassa Hello, Sr. Vassa. I'm a fan of your channel (just one among zillions)! My understanding of Eastern Orthodox teaching on this subject is basically in line with the Roman Catholic. While I'm sure you would be much more generous regarding the motives of women priests in comparison to Bishop Barron, do you agree with his basic rationale on why women cannot be priests?
boicetar I can't answer that, because I don't know Bishop Barron's "basic rationale on why women cannot be priests." He doesn't offer one in this video, anyway. He begins with the straw man of women's "desire for power" in the Church, and then tears that down. All we learn here is that we shouldn't "desire power," but that goes for men and women alike. So we are none the wiser as to why women, specifically, can't be priests.
***** What I heard was that desiring power is good when done correctly, and that is by becoming a saint. I agree with you, Bishop Barron's statement is confused in that he suggests that women priests desire inappropriate power, yet male priests are fine as servants of the laity. Seems fundamentally disconnected and doesn't answer the question. However, I was curious about your belief. Do you think women can or should be ordained as priests? Thanks for your time, both here and on your channel.
boicetar My answer to that is too complicated to cover here, boicetar. But I did do an audio-podcast on it, if you're interested. My twice-weekly audio-podcasts are available for a subscription on patreon.com. Sorry, but at this point I can just refer you to that.
+Coffee with Sr. Vassa I will look your podcast up, Sister. Thanks again
Interesting response, from a man with power to administer sacraments. The Church seems to have a deaf ear to the call of women to the same ministry as men. Here's hoping that the Pope's committee on looking at women deacons will create meaningful change in the Roman Catholic Church. Pax et Bonum.
Women shouldn't wait to be 'given' a place in the church. We have to just take it.
@CoryTheRaven You really think that the call to sanctity is tantamount to saying "don't worry your pretty little heads about it"?!! Tell that to Edith Stein, Felicity and Perpetua, Agatha, Lucy, Cecelia, and all the other women martyrs. And while you're at it, you could mention it to Mother Teresa, Mother Cabrini, Katharine Drexel, and all the other women saints who lived gritty and deeply challenging lives of service.
Mother Teresa, was a monster who hated the poor. But she did have a great PR person. It's Bull Shit just like this that turned me away from the church. I love Christ, but I believe the churches have turned their back on him.
So what is the problem with ordaining women??
You will never see Bishop Barron responding to a challenging question. He won’t venture into such a forum.
His answer as to women as powers in the Church would fit, word for word, with historical answers as to why women can’t have the vote, as to why black people can’t be citizens . . .
“Power is being a saint.”
Reminds me of BL Margaret Castillo
Beautifully said and simply.
I love you Bishop! I can listen to you all day long! 🙏
Did not answer why they are still not allowing women the same roles.
I see your subscribers list has gone up quite a bit in the past few days alone! The more that listen to you the better! Your presence on RUclips is great! You address a lot of important issues! :) God Bless
I agree!
That was a clear deviation from the question! Please answer Why the institution doesn’t allow women to be priests? Where in the Bible does it state that women cannot be priests? A Bishop has the same authority as the Pope, you know this. I want to hear your personal opinion on the matter of why the Catholic institution not the religion prevents women from being priests and blessing the Eucharist? I have heard such beautiful answers from you in your other videos which is why I subscribe to this channel, but this was Wrong. If for some institutional reason you aren’t allowed to express your interpretation of the Bible on this subject please state so, but don’t use deviation tactics. You are SO much better than that’s! I had asked you a question to you during the world youth day in Poland and you answered beautifully! But listening to this...
Because Jesus only made male priests (the 12 apostles), and by that we understand that it was His will and that it had to be done like that. The Catholic Church follows Jesus' will.
Calm down, buddy. The video is less than 2 minutes, and this question is not simple to answer.
@@e.r2581 There are loads of things Jesus didn't do. Does that mean they shouldn't be done?
@@AndrewSmithThomas okay then what did jesus not do then?
if jesus wanted females to serve he would have gone to his mother mary and ask her to follow him throughout his journey. did he? no. meaning there is a reason why he left the man in charge. same reason why god made adam first. he made the woman to keep adam company
"The whole purpose of the Church for everybody is to become a Saint".... to follow and model one's life on Christ. Right on. Thank you Bishop Barron.
And to lie whenever they are questioned about their idiotic dogma.
The Church through the Chair of apostle Peter is not authorized
to ordain women.
This woman does not want female priests, i want female saints
It's already the wrong question. It's not that the Church doesn't allow women priests, it is that she has no authority to ordain women priests.
Stand up and be brave Father Barron Great job here
Father, I really wish you would further explore this topic. The issue of female priests is the ONE issue within Catholicism for which I have not heard a solid, whole arguement.
thank you!
I don't feel like he really answered the question
He never answers the question, but in this instance, he at least still provides the best possible instruction to combat the argument and fight for the immediate requirements and aspirations.
Agreed, the Bishop did not answer the question. The direct answer is that St. Paul and St. Peter made it abundantly clear that women are restricted from the priesthood and having authority over men for very strong scriptural reasons (which are rooted in nature and, also, help create a thriving society). Paul gives these reasons in 1Timothy and 1Corinthians. 1) Woman was created for man and not man for woman. This is the Natural Law reason. 2) Woman (Eve) sinned against God by accepting the temptation to go beyond God's limits set for her even to the point of desiring to be like God Himself. She then drew the man (Adam) into rebellion against God. This is a perfect typological description of feminism. 3) The divine "law" restricts women from clerical leadership. 4) Paul states that "all the churches" follow the apostolic rule against priestesses.
you actually didn't answer the question.
The answer is this. Patriarchael hierarchy. Women in Catholicism could be priests back in the 200s, 300s, 400s,500s, etc there is proof of evidence in this in scrolls and artwork. One who studied very early Catholicism and art history will know and see these women bishops, etc.
There is zero proof of this! If this were true then Jesus would've picked a woman as one of the twelve Apostles and yet He didn't and that speaks louder than words!
James Curtis Going back to this. I did some research. The shitty youtube video I saw was of no value. Women have never been priests. They've only been deacons. My biggest concern now in Catholicism though is the level of sexism. Comments I read online like "Men are the best, women belong in the kitchen" from Catholic men, from cowardly Catholic men.
M Mary continue the research and you will find out that in the early Church women were non-ordained Deaconesses. In the role of Deaconesses they functioned by baptizing women into Christianity. This is not to say that they can't be ordained as permanent Deacons. I can't find anything in Scripture that would impede women from being ordained Deacons. Yet Scripture is very clear that women can't be Priests and much less Bishops. The reason they can't be Priests or Bishops is because Jesus Christ purposely chose twelve men as His Apostles. And Jesus only gave these twelve men and their successors certain power and authority. This is also in line with Paul's epistles on the roles of each gender. The level of sexism or male chauvinist types is about the same in the Catholic Church as it is in society. This is a minority of people. Catholics are concerned with being loyal and faithful to the Holy Word of God in the Holy Bible. Some people in general are always going to say chauvinistic things, regardless of gender. I know a lot of women who think and say that only women are the best. So, basically its a double standard.
+James Curtis The Diaconate is a path to the priesthood, even among married men who are ordained as deacons. Should they become widowed, they may not remarry, and in many cases, health and debt allowing, they complete ordination into the priesthood. There is no purpose in ordaining women as deacons.
He didn't even answer the question. It's like if someone asked "why can't women become doctors?" and he responds by saying, "women can become nurses! You don't have to be a doctor to help others. Become a nurse!"
He did something more important than answering the question, which is contextualizing it. You cant understand a question nor its answer without putting it into a broader context.
@@capitaopacoca8454 still didn’t answer the question. That’s dishonest. Just answer the question.
@@LaserrSharp it would have been dishonest if he pretented that he gave a complete answer and declared the issue settled. 0:12, he explicitly says "I'll just make this observation". That is, he never intended to give an answer and didn't lie about it. He explicitly defined that he would give only an observation. For me, that's the honest thing he could do. Also, no one is obliged to answer any question, you can choose what you do according to your own judgement of the tools (knowledge, time, engangement and intellectual level of the person asking the question, etc) available.
@@LaserrSharp Because we live in a world of gender dynamics. If you treat genders like they're swappable things, then all the things you do to keep genders in balance goes away. Men have a tendency to be domineering patriarchs, this is all you see with old testament men. Male priests cannot marry so automatically can't take on patriarchal roles or dominate in the same way a father/husband/womanizer can. This has a massive influence on catholic culture. You can't just mess with that.
His response is pretty lame.
I absolutely love listening to Bishop Barron speak. But in this case, he didn't answer the question.
ruclips.net/video/hspRPMfRH8k/видео.html -Christianity is completely unique on the basis of Righteousness
So yes woman can be priests.
That's not a simple question though.
Was there even a question to begin with? Barron comments upon the common argument and digs behind the surface of it. It's the title of the video that's misleading.
Not too sure about this guy. As a Protestant, my answer is that Holy Scripture forbids it. I suspect that a traditionalist Roman cleric might say what I've said and add that sacred tradition knows of only men in holy orders.
0:55 “Look first for that power, you can start to be a Saint now, nobody is stopping you ...desire to be a Saint”
It is impossible for bishops and/or the Pope to ordain a woman... why? Simple, they don`t have the power to do so. DE FIDE
@CASTRATO.......cant have female eye witnesses to that evil.
Mother Superior~ " Papa, how did those choir boys suddenly die?".....
,,,,,,the Vatican works in mysterious ways? UNDEFENDABLE..
There are many non-christian religions that has ordained women to minister for the lord.
1 TIMOTHY 2:11 Let a woman[b] learn in silence with full submission. 12 I permit no woman[c] to teach or to have authority over a man;[d] she is to keep silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15 Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.
You didn't answer the question!
wahoo strike - do you really mean that you don’t allow them because you don’t have them? Actually, I think you don’t have them because you don’t allow them. But the question is: why don’t you allow them? The clock is ticking, I’ll give you four more years to think about it. By then, Pope Francis might allow them.
Amen!!! So well put, thank you🙏🏻❤️🕊
Trust is Jesus does not stop Catholic child abuse. Please wake up!!!
I Totally agree with you! Mary mother of God what a model to follow amen 🙏.
Not much was written about her in the bible
Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word." --Luke 1: 38
His mother said to the servers, "Do whatever he tells you." --John 2: 5
Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary of Magdala. --John 19: 25
@@debrawehrly6900 Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ the Lord God Almighty 🙏 ❤ 💖 🙌 ♥ 💓 🙏 Amen, Elizabeth said in a loud voice, you are the most blessed of all women, Luke 1: 42 43
"Full of Grace"
It's evading the question, but at the same time does it really matter becoming a priest or not if the main purpose of our life is to be a Saint. He's answer what we really need to contemplate seriously.
Who says the main goal is to be a saint? That’s ridiculous.
@@katholischmitherzundseele1755 you are my judge? HAHAHHAHA.
I love the saying that "Humility is Power under Control". So lost on today's secular culture. This applies to both men and women equally. Power means something very different today. We should all ask God "What should I be not what can I be".
Father Robert, with all due respect and love, you haven't answered this question.
#AskFrBarron
This is a very short video that I don't think does the issue justice. Does anyone know of a better video where Bishop Barron speaks on it at greater length?
@Bishop Robert Barron I think that allowing women to access the Diaconate would help in this complex issue. Diacones have historically given some sacraments (as laymen may do too)
No, they didn't. They helped baptize, but anyone (even a non-Christian) can baptize.
If looked at superficially it seems as though he didn't answer the question. But the Bishop did say "it's a famously complicated issue and I can't possibly get into all the angles of it. A lot of it has to do with power". In other words, I cannot fully answer your question but I will talk a little bit about one of the many angles this issue has. The people asking this question think that this is a simple issue, since they view it so superficially, and, therefore, expect simple and straightforward answer. If you really want to know begin educating yourself on Catholicism and authentically living it out: then ask the Lord to illuminate this to you.
And for those who say that "I won't join the Catholic Church unless it allows women to be priest do not really want to join the Catholic Church. Instead, they want to the Church to bend to their whims and wants. They don't want to serve (which is the role of priest toward the laity) instead they want power. Exactly what Lucifer does to God: "Non serviam" (I will not serve you). All he wanted was power.
They're not asking for power. They simply want equality. I suspect the church is wrong on some of these most pressing issues.
Its not about power. It's about a so-called Church discriminating against people because they're women. The same church actively and passively participated in the perpetration of child abuse by the clergy. Go figure.
I’m so happy to participate in
His implication is correct. Very few women or men realize their potential ministry within the church. How many women or men even pray everyday to discern what their ministry in the church should be?
It kinda seems like you dodged the question. :/
Did I miss the answer?
Bishop Barron's answer is so wise.
It will be great to have more information on this topic. It seems to be institutional. Did Jesus only chose men as apostles because of the society and times He lived on? Any writings in the bible?
thanks and God bless! #AskBishopBarron
I find tomism fascinating.
I think the Summa Theologica is truly a masterpiece that answers so many questions and doubts about theology.
Love your posts, thumbs up often ... agree almost perfectly with you (even being a recovering evangelical) but this one got a very rare thumbs down, Bishop, simply because you so masterfully dodged the question. Please give it another go.
How did he dodge the question? Why must so many people look at the Church as if it were some kind of political party?
I thought that he encompassed rather than dodged the question.
It's our choice in this world to become saints. Why strive after anything else?
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 it would have been better if he had addressed the question directly instead of "encompassing " it.
ST. THOMAS AQUINAS: As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power.
The active power in the male is intended to produce a perfect image of itself, a masculine sex. When a female results it is either because of a weakness in this active power or because of some indisposition of the materials, or even from a change produced by an outside factor - for example, from south winds, which are humid.
Awesome challenge Bsp. Baron. Great explanation of power.
Wow! Great insight into what it fundamentally means to be Catholic. I love The Church and the clergy, you are doing a brilliant job. Thank you dearly for giving me the Mass and the Sacraments, And a place & community within to pray.
I hope they defend Jesus in the Eucharist , how someone is going to be a Saint if the bishops allow many people receiving Jesus in the hands and standing ?
Their job is to teach the faithful about the real presence of our lord Jesus Christ in the Eucharist……
Bishop Barron, I just listened to your answer as to why there are no women priests and I am unclear as to your response. You said that the reason for Priesthood is to serve the laity - why can women not be Priests who serve the laity? Please explain ? God Bless, thank you, Deborah
You are unclear because he weaved a basket of lies around your consciousness lol
He is a clever word smith put into place to dupe people who don't possess critical thinking skills, but his tricks didn't seem to work on you. Congratulations! LOL
Women can serve the laity. Just not as priests. There are vocations for women in the church.
Deborah Anne 1 TIMOTHY 2:11 Let a woman[b] learn in silence with full submission. 12 I permit no woman[c] to teach or to have authority over a man;[d] she is to keep silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15 Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.
It's rather an OLD, hoary account now, that lacks DETAIL, CONTEXT, and NUANCE, 35TheDarkknight. Can the conversation now CONTINUE?
Well the Summa is both simple and hard in my feeling.
What I mean is that Thomas explains things very well making the point very clear in a sistematic way...
Yet in itself it is also a noteworthy philosophical work, rooted in aristotelic and neoplatonic philosophy, the BIble and the work of the fathers...
It's a book that has to be taken bit by bit.. to be fully digested.
Epic Prevarication!
when a priest is conducting a mass, he is in the position of Christ as he shares the word of God and breaks the bread. Christ was a man. So priests should be men.
Don't feel too bad for Catholic Christian women, though. Women have many other options to persue a life of vocation, and to serve the church.
Non christian feminists are out here screaming for equality, but if catholic women had a serious problem with this, they would be yelling outside of the Vatican. Don't go poking your nose through something you don't understand. If you want to share an opinion, educate yourself! :) Peace and love! 😘
No because of Paul's words on the accepting the Gentiles. They were not allowed in the Church because of their race but Peter and Paul said that all people who believe in Jesus shall be part of the faith. So no priests do not have to be Israeli.
Fun-Sized Joan read Hebrews 10th chapter
jesus was a bastard kid born when teen mary had sex with her bf. just like sluts do today - no different.
Can't really prove that - even with the 'young woman/virgin' translation question.
Amen
Respectfully Father Barron, that is not a direct answer to the question. While the answer is logical on own legs, and certainly a noble goal, the original question remains.
The Church doesn't have authority to ordain women as priests. The following is from the Apostolic Letter "Ordinatio Sacerdotalis" by St. John Paul II:
"Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful." Also, 1 Timothy 2:12.
Men and women are equal in dignity for both are created in image and likeness of God. However, they have different roles before God and society. For instance, in marriage, the husband is the head of the family and the wife is the heart of the family. In God Himself there is order, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Son comes from the Father, the Spirit comes from the Father and the Son.
There are other explanations that cannot be written in this space but this is something basic.
figuenew Which is why I HATED being Catholic (besides the constant focus on penitential rites, even outside the Lenten season). I *appreciate the three female Episcopal priests I've had more than all the Catholic priests put together* and I am adamant about that. Hooray for GIRL POWER!
Forest Green Organ Geek : As long as it's a matter of "power" to you, you haven't understood the priesthood.
Matthew 23:9: "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." According to 1 Peter 2:9, women and men are priests, whereas pastorship is only for men (1Tim 3:2-13). By introducing laity, the Catholic Church has gone astray. "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." (Offenbarung 18,4)
Well, Forest Green Organ Geek, I'd certainly never confess to a woman. Women never forget anything, and almost all women feel a need to "vent" -- to talk with their friends about things that bother them. I'm a woman working in a field dominated by women, with female relatives working in other fields dominated by women, and I hear way too much indiscreet "venting" ... violations of confidentiality, really. I wouldn't trust that a woman hearing my confession would keep the sanctity of the Sacrament. I'd be suspicious that she would reveal my sins to others. If we did give it a go with women as priests, it could very well end badly for those who violate the seal of the Confessional. As doverbeachcomber noted, if it's all about "power" for you, you really don't understand the priesthood. Power is concomitant with pride, and pride is a mortal sin.
Mary the Mother is honored most high, there are hundreds of Catholic Saints that were women, incredibly honored, as is the value of a mother to the domestic church, our own homes and families, women can also read scripture during Mass as a lector, and distribute Communion to the faithful as an EMU, directly beside a priest or deacon, so it can't be said the Catholic church holds women in a lower value simply because of the "yeah but..." they "can't be priests" argument.
There are several Protestant Churches that are open to this, and followers that believe in it should be there...to support it.
@wordonfirevideo No, I just think that the call to sanctity has nothing to do with the question that was actually asked.
I understand why you answered the way you did: instead of focusing on the negative "why women can't be priests" you focused on the positive "what women can do instead." But it still skirted the whole issue, so to speak, and comes off a little paternalistic (as men telling women what they can and cannot do always does).
As stated ''The entire purpose of Catholicism is again, first and foremost to serve God and he alone'' I must add ; ''thereby we may be sanctified'' deo gratias.
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Exactly on point ! Amen !
The problem, is that some Priests don’t see lay people or women as those to be served, but those to be lord over
It’s
A very good point Mrs.
Bishop! May the Lord blessed you and keep you save! You are an absolute treasure to the church. When you give an explanation, it is so profound and in great theological depth, that my soul resonates and accepts your word. I believe you may have asked God for the gift of wisdom like Solomon.
I didn't hear profound theological depth. I heard the good Bishop saying woman should strive to be a bunch of St. Clair's, St. whoever's. Nahn, read Acts, find some wisdom there.
Hear that ladies? Your power comes from being saints, not from being bishops and controlling the finances, property, personnel, making the rules, running the diocese, being able to dispense the sacraments, hiring/firing, deciding who becomes bishops, and on and on. Those kinds of bromides always come from people who already have the power.
Women know this. We want some of that to change for the good.
thank you :)
And the Question Lingers
"The purpose of the Church and the priests is to create saints"- Agreed, but what has that got to do with women not being allowed to be priests?
rosegarden23 I fervently agree.
Oliver Moore 1 TIMOTHY 2:11 Let a woman[b] learn in silence with full submission. 12 I permit no woman[c] to teach or to have authority over a man;[d] she is to keep silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15 Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.
Men are not allowed to be nuns as well.
They BOTH seemed deceived to me, if we're going to get competitive over which was MORE so.
But there is a male equivalent to nuns: monks...
Spoken like a real politician.
When someone says, “as long as women cannot be priests, I want no part of the Church,” it sounds a lot like Lucifer before he fell.
Great answer. I do think we need to start allowing married priests, however. It’s not dogma just custom. Too many lonely priests. And we need more.
What is he taking about
Yes, if you want to be a saint, will it, desire it. If you want to be powerful, be a saint. The saddest thing in life is not to be a saint. Well said, Bishop Barron. God bless you.
This reminds me of that story about Christ,
Where whenever the disciples asked him a question, he’d refuse to answer.
I didn't realize this was such a topic in high demand? Living our faith is a wonderful gift... the Catholic Faith is so rich. Come and subscribe to Pete Speaks with Grace and get some more practical thoughts like these from Bishop Barron.
It's to do with roles. The priest represents Christ as bridegroom to the bride and also stands there as a father to the family of God the church/parish etc. Secondly look at Jesus calling of Peter in Matthew 16:18 which has an old testament Pararell in Isaiah 22:22-24 where the person given the keys of kingdom also played the role of a father figure for the family of God
I love you Bishop Baron, but you didn't answer the question in any way.
What are you talking about?
@@falyoung2784, Bishop Barron often doesn't draw out the specifics of the priesthood being a paternal order and that they act in persona Cristi, in the person of Christ.
The male is the priest, was the priest, and that is the function which is maintained in the mass.
The entire set up of the mass, the altar, the tabernacle, the whole shooting match is concordant with natural law, an ordered understanding of male and female.
The theology is out there, you just have to care to look.
For all of those who claim that women deserve to be ordained, just remember the most powerful woman is His Blessed Mother, who is Queen of Heaven. Jesus did not ordain her. Does that mean she was any lesser? No!!!
The priests acts in persona christi when he offers the holy sacrifice of the mass. The Bride of the priest IS the Church just as Christ is the Groom and the Church is His Bride. It also fits well with natural law. To imply that there needs to be women priests is wrong because now, we have reduced the sacred into social/political nonsense. The Church cannot ordain women because She cannot do what Jesus has not commanded.
Never the less we remain broken until we are resurrected.
I used to have no faith and I disliked religion of any kind. My wife is a Catholic. I think we both got swept up into the anti-Catholic sentiment (the church being anti LGBTQ and anti woman) and it pushed her away. So we started going to a Unity church and were disappointed overall in new thought. The entire premise of God being in all of us and all of us actually being God just made no sense to me. Unity and many new thought faiths also have no standards around compassion and no link from Jesus to us today, which also pushed us away.
Recently we started going to a Catholic Church and my wife has been reinvigorated by kind of re-accepting her faith that she was raised in. I’m not a catholic but I intend on becoming one. I like the charitable work that Catholics do. They not only say it but they do it, that’s always been important to me.
The Catholic Church we go to has a few gay couples in the parish and lots of diversity. I’ve learned a lot about catholicism and when we take a deep look into it, it’s not that the church is telling us we are all sinners and bad. It’s telling us that none of us are infallible, we all make mistakes or even do bad things intentionally to others. But there is peace in knowing that if we confront it and confess to it, God and Jesus love and forgive us all no matter what.
My wife and I have had a lot of upheaval in our life the last 6 months or so. I can tell you that I’ve never been more at peace even with all of the stress that we have since we started going to a Catholic Church and studying it more. It’s making me want to be a better person and always strive to be better to both myself but my family and anyone I come into contact with. We are moving across the country and after we settle down I fully intend on finding a Catholic Church in the area and converting. For now though I love going to all of the masses and I even watch livestreams of all of the masses at St Patricks Cathedral and I feel deeply moved and inspired with each mass we either watch or attend.
Please Dear Bishop
More St Thomas Aquinas videos.
We need them desperately.
Thx.
Godspeed
I think he damn right answer the questions, ones you get the core message about power(which was the intention of the question) and distribution of power between men and women, the question of women priesthood didn't even make sense. Bishop Barron is truly amazing.
What of the women called by God to be priests? They know they have a vocation. God gave them the gifts and the calling. Time for "Tradition" to change.
no woman is called by God to be a priest, if she feels a calling to serve God, she can become a Nun
Who knows, but the individual, what God asks of each of us.
@@psmaureen no.
OT only levites produced priests and now its only men. Stick to politics
Thank you.
If the purpose of priests is to make the laity holy, as the bishop says, what impediment is there to women fulfilling that role?