Adrian Dantley vs Celtics 1987 ECF - Scoring
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Adrian Dantley is arguably the greatest scorer in NBA history. After leaving the Jazz franchise he joined to young, very talented Pistons team. Chuck Daly wanted AD to make Pistons half-court offense more effective and it worked. Dantley ability to play in isolations made him doubled more than any other Pistons player and created space for teammates.
In his first year with the Pistons, his team advanced to Eastern Conference Finals when they faced veteran Celtics team. Dantley had huge task defending Bird and being main offensive weapon for the Pistons. After tough 7 games they lost and many people claim that Pistons could have won, had Dantley not got injured in 3rd quarter. He played very well in elimination game and Detoit team desperatly needed buckets from him. The game were still close after this unlucky incident but more experienced Celtics took advantage of this situation and advanced to the NBA Finals.
This video is focused on Dantley ability to score in multiple ways. He was master of post game despite lack of height and he was deadly midrange shooter. He was good transition finisher and great from triple threat. Celtics threw on him many defenders but it didn't work. Enjoy past his prime, but still great Adrian Dantley who destroyed whole Celtics offense.
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Only player in nba history 30ppg 55%fg 4 straight seasons..underrated great!
As a Boston fan I remember the 1987 ECF like it was yesterday. I cringed everytime AD got the ball. Mchale playing on his broken foot couldn't stop him, Bird couldn't. They put DJ on him and had Bird cover joe Dumars in game 7, Dumars had 35 pts because Bird kept doubling Dantley. very underrated SF Dantley. A big what if is if Utah never traded Dantley, they would have a starting 5 of Stockton, Jeff Malone, Dantley, K. Malone and Mark Eaton with Thurl Bailey coming off the bench.
Dantley's penchant for hogging the ball ,and literally killing the possession clock wouldn't have allowed offensive cohesion to exists ,nor allow for a young Karl Malone to develope .Bailey would rarely get significant minutes because of a pouting Dantley ,utahs head coach disdained dantley's selfish attitude .
Don't forget they still had Darrell Griffith too, even post injury Griffith wasn't bad.
@@haroldmccoy6748 I'm more optimistic about it than a lot of you are..I think it'd be a scary team. Dantley worked well in Detroit, they should've won the '88 Finals, as they had that last game until everyone knows what happened. They also got robbed here in the '87 ECF.. just one mistake cost them dearly but they had this game as well and this is all with Dantley & Isiah both on the court doing their thing. It was working. Why wouldn't it work in Utah? Isiah worked best with Dantley though, he knew how to get everyone involved and still feed Dantley and do his own thing.
What people seem to be misunderstanding is back then illegal defense was a thing. So what that means is that you literally can't move more than 5 feet from the man you're guarding (so long as a shot attempt isn't happening, then you can go rush to contest the shot with more than 1 person. The Pistons did this often to Jordan.) or you'd get called for illegal defense. So literally everyone was left on an island, which is why you see a whole lot of iso ball and a whole lot of "bad" defense. Even with handchecking and hard fouls if no one if you only have to worry about 1 person contesting your shot and the big man is late coming over to contest there ain't much the defender can do but hope you miss. And gifted scorers didn't miss.
Actually you can always throw the hard double team and you could still get away with not guarding your man if the ball handler was below the 3 point line trying to feed the post. Plus you forgot to mention the center could just camp out in the lane back then
This is a great video, thanks. As a Pistons fan, I'll forever be thankful to Adrian Dantley. Regarding his trade away from the Pistons, I really feel like they needed to get Rodman more minutes, and whether or not they knew it at the time of the trade, Aguirre accepted it better than Dantley would have.
I loved Dantley way more than I did Aquirre. I hated Detroit traded him in 88 but they had to because of the beef he had with Thomas. And they needed a more fluent offense because once Dantley got it, everyone would just be standing around watching because they knew Dantley wasn't going to pass it...lol.
I just started watching videos on Dantley, and I have a feeling I know the reason why Detroit went further in the playoffs after they traded him. He's as gifted a scorer as Carmelo Anthony, but also has the same bad habit of making his team's offense screech to a halt whenever he isos.
They still would’ve won the championship had they kept Dantley. It’s a shame Isaiah Thomas had Dantley banished from Detroit
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It's possible. But overall, I'm not a fan of the way that Dantley plays.
I think he has a lot of positives. A very good shooter around 18 feet in. A master of post and body positioning. Great touch around the rim, which helped him score easily when he got great position. He was also deceptively quick, and used change of speeds to his advantage.
Despite his positives, one anecdote sums up what I think about Dantley's overall game. During the off-seasons, he spent time training against his brothers and friends, and played 1 on 3/4/5 against all of them. He trained this way to score through contact. But for me, he trained stricty in iso 1v1 or 1vMany situations. And based on the videos I've seen of Dantley' play so far, he doesn't stray far from that philosophy.
Dantley is clearly not a mindless chucker. He scored very efficiently and gets to the line. However, the way he plays the game basically takes his other 4 teammates out of the equation. The very best offenses and teams never played this way. Sure, most of your teammates are less skilled than you, not can they shoot as well as you. But if your lumbering big men don't get regular touches on offense during the first 30-40 minutes of a game, don't expect them to suddenly be able to hit an open shot when you pass out of a triple team during clutch situations. This isn't about simply making your teammates happy, but rather, putting them in a situation in which they are comfortable and can succeed when called upon.
Ultimately, Dantley doesn't really have seemed to think much of his teammates other than as obstacles who should move over to the other side of the court. No matter how efficient one player is, he can't succeed without his teammates in a 5v5 game.
Reluctantly have to agree. NO one ever questioned AD's work ethic (unlike Aguirre). But the offense was more fluid without Dantley. Still think they may have won with him. But results ....
@@charlesjohnson1574 No they wouldn't have won a NBA championship with dantley's penchant for selfishness and his offense stiffling game ,horrible defense .It's fully documented, Dantley's historically selfish ultruistic attitude simply wouldn't allow for sufficient playing time for rodman ,it literally stymied offensive cohesion because his game destroyed offensive rhythm, his blatant refusal to actually come off the court after a time out to be relieved sent a horrible message which could divide a lockerroom .After 88 , Dantley's decorum and game weren't fit for a championship team . Isiah Thomas actually was never stated as requesting Dantley's trade ,not by himself,the headcoach nor gm ever stated Isiah Thomas was involved ,and if he did ,he has the cache as a superstar,team leader ,teams best player like a Magic who got a NBA championship winning headcoach fired to do so . The Isiah Thomas hate has always baffled me when he paid his dues ,answered ever challenge ,and became a great basketball player,Boston native , NBA historian bill simmons calls Isiah Thomas the greatest traditional point guard EVER . The only small man to be his teams best player to lead them to a NBA championship,which Zeke did twice ,if not for the fraudulent phantom foul against Lambeer guarding Kareem in the finals seconds of game 6 of the 88 NBA finals ,with Detroit leading by 1 and the series 3-2 ,the pistons under Isiah Thomas leadership tenure win 3 🏆's. Fellow NBA veterans like Steve Kerr called John Stockton the dirtiest NBA player he's ever competed against,Danny Ainge antics often riled up opponents ,but isiah Thomas gets canonized as a monster ,placed in a supposed subservient role when other players are mentioned. Dantley's stay in Utah , where he had his best career stats ,his headcoach literally disdained him ,stated no team will ever win a championship with him . I'm objectively confused by this Dantley was the supposed pistons championship savior ,when the franchise most important player was Isiah Thomas, who actually made personal stats sacrifice to help nurture his team into a championship team .Isiah Thomas could have easily been a 20 point per game double digits assists career guy ,but he rationally grasp the bigger optic . Several seasons he literally avg 20 plus it's double digits assists ,in regular season and post season won all-star and a finals MVP ,set NBA records ,why would isiah Thomas have to defer to Adrian Dantley in any fashion ??? Magic didn't to a NBA championship winning headcoach,nor all-star teammate norm nixon . Zekes sacrifice nurtured Dumars into a all-star,finals MVP and a hofer ,what player did dantley's game, sacrifice and his leadership help improve into a significant performer who achieved excellent personal accolades ? The outright, passive agressive, subconscious, subconscious, typical emotional, nonobjective trolling Isiah Thomas gets is ridiculous. How bad,sports commentators stated that if Chris Paul wins 1 championship,he surpasses Isiah Thomas in the point guard hierarchy 😅😂🤣. His fictional championship,evaporates zekes 2 trophy's ? Should a been 3 ! Can't make this stuff up .
Excellent video!
How the hell is he scoring like this moving in total slow motion! No wonder I used to base my game on him! My nickname in high school was literally “ slow motion”, no wonder dantley is my second favorite Bad Boy ( Isiah 1. AD 1a)
It wasn’t dantleys fault they lost in 87 & 88 then became stagnant when they made the trade in 88-89 for mark. I think they wanted to change the chemistry to more ball movement and I have to admit as good as AD was his reputation was a ball hog who played no defense, I think his name was the black hole once he got the ball it never came back. But I never saw issues with him as I watched their runs back then he was a hell of a scorer. But the pistons beat themselves back then 1. Isaiah inbounds play 2. Vinnie & dantley bumped heads giving AD a concussion 3. Bad fouls in crucial games so it wasn’t ADs fault but mark Aguirre did bring a more versatility to Detroit.
Aguirre really didn't do all that much individually. He was part of the package that included Salley, Rodman, and finally James 'Buddha' Edwards.
You're quite right. Aguirre could perform within the offense within grinding it to a halt, and he was willing to post up without making everyone else run to the other side of the building. Within the Pistons' offense, it made far more sense for Dumars and Isiah to be the guys playing while facing up to the basket, able to shoot jumpers, drive to the basket, kick the ball out, or feed the post, and they could do it from either side within the flow of the offense. Passing to Dantley usually shut every other option down, and you were committed to a single course of action; Dantley shoots, or passes out of a double team with three seconds left on the shot clock and the guards have to force up a rushed shot.
Dantley and Alex English were the most awkward but great players very unique skills set
They were not awkward. They just moved with purpose.
Wow AD is my fav all time player and AE is my next after him. Joey
@@ronniewoodinsteadofmt2615 Dantley and Isiah were my favorite players in the 80's . Dantley is the most underrated player of all time. I don't see him as underrated but most do. He should be talked about more as one of the all time greats.
6:30 Dantley wrong as heck for all them damn pumpfakes.
Dantley burns right by Bird right from the start 😉
The original AD!
great job torching Bird
430 dantley a demon down low
McHale still has nightmares about Dantley.
Dantly was Killin then Celtics........
thinking basketball brought me here
221 woooo weeeee!!!
The "Teacher" was taking opponents to school in the post.
Dantley was basically a smaller, much better conditioned, and more offensively efficient version of Carmelo (lol). Ball-stopper for sure, but at least he wasn't a straight-up chucker like the other guy was...
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THAT'S HOW THE GAME WAS BACK THEN ESPECIALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS. THE NBA WAS A HALF COURT GAME. DANTLEY WAS ALLEGEDLY 6'3 WITH ONE LEG LONGER THAN THE OTHER.HE KILLED THE CELTICS🔥🔥🔥🔥
His game was like a slow burn Cuban cigar......nothing spectacular, but smooth to the finish.
here from Scottie Pippen
msot underrated ever how utah didnt win with mailman and dantley shows how bad stockton eaton were
cat skant the dant! one of most underrated ever and highest point per shot ever
darryl dawins, mullin, mchale, barley are only ones close in point per shot give him lot of shots and u win
this is literally a clinic........if DET didnt have isaiah shooting 5 for 22 every game they be unstoppable
740 that an up n down travel
145 what the fux mchael doing? put DJ on him or somethign
Trump 2020 ya that was some matador defense
celtics didnt go inside to whoever was guarding dantley enough
det gettin lot fo calls here....lol
The comments are hilarious! Zero basketball knowledge. This is a highlight reel it only shows the best of AD. Bird torched AD for over 30pg. Dantley played nooooo defense ever! In the 1988 NBA Finals James Worthy lite him up and won Finals MVP. At one point Chuck Daily tried to put Dennis Rodman in to stop Worthy and AD refused to come out of the game. Resulting in Chuck wanting him gone. Not just the beef with Isiah Thomas. The Pistons won two Championship without AD.
Looks like you repeat false narrarives rather than watch these games...
@@70sfan please tell me what's false? Did AD ever get the best of Larry Bird? Answer No! Did AD ever play defense on anyone? Answer No! Did James Worthy win Finals MVP on a team that had Magic and Kareem on it ? Answer Yes! Did the Pistons lose the champion with him on the team? Answer Yes! Did the Pistons win 2 championships without AD on the team ? Answer Yes! Class is dismissed!
@@80sTransfromersFan Well, for starters he outplayed Bird in 1988 playoffs. Bird had horrible scoring series and Dantley defended him for the majority of these games. He wasn't elite defender by any means, but he tried very hard and made Larry's life very uncomfortable.
Dantley didn't guard Worthy at all throughout the series, he guarded AC Green. Not to mention that Worthy didn't deserve the FMVP, Magic was by far the best player in the finals. By the way, had Pistons won the title in 1988 (and they were really close), Dantley should have got the FMVP award, as he was far more consistent than Thomas.
Pistons won the title in 1989 against Bird-less Celtics, injured Bucks and Lakers without two starters in the lineup. Do you really believe that they wouldn't be able to accomplish that with Dantley? They already beat far better team in 1988 (Celtics) and almost beat healthy Lakers team as well.
@@70sfan well according to you AD should have taken the Dallas Mavericks to the championship and won it all without Isiah Thomas in his way. No? And the funny thing is I'm a fan of Dantley but he was so one dimensional. BTW who was guarding Worth in that series? 🤔
@@80sTransfromersFan No, when did I say that? Dantley was past his prime by 1989 and Dallas was weak team, Dantley was never good enough to carry weak team to the finals. He was good enough to co-anchor strong team like Pistons though, which he did in 1987 and 1988.
Worthy was guarded by Salley and Mahorn, sometimes by Rodman as well. Have you even seen this series?
Offensively, AD abused McHale.
You can’t be the GOAT if you can’t defend. Must be a lockdown, one on one defender as well. The game is played on both ends of the court.
Goodbye Bird!
so many loose ball fouls on pistons not called lol
Dantley busting Boston.
bird mchale parish the big three
why do they not doulbe dantley? hes better than lew or jordan
what an ugly looking set shot; but his game is incredibly sound
I actually love his slow-release set shot and how he controlled defender with that pump fake. It's true that Dantley knew all moves and he had them in his repertoire.
12:10 not a foul lol
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celtics cant do a damn thing with him!! and never hear a word from democrat media!! dantley musta been a gun lvoing jesus loving republican kickass dude!! for media coverup fo thsi godlike ability
Bird, McHale, and DJ took turns guarding him... and they all failed... LOL
445 i mean celts cant do anything wih him
Trump 2020 this nigga was a beast, fundamental and methodical.
a monster!! a demigod!! way higher point epr shot that jordan!! jordan gievn all 6! det shoulda traded isaiah n bill for aguirre n kept dantly
I'm one of the BIGGEST A.D. fans on the planet but they would have NEVER won the Back-2-Back chips without Zeke and Laimbeer! 🤣
is NBA a shoa? why let best scorer in laegue maybe all time yes higher point per shot that jordan lew wilt etc go one on one????? why not double? lol
this is a clinic for the kids!!!
Nice scoring, but it's some awful defense in this video. Dantley playing ISO ball the whole time. Ballstopper Smh
jmaal2345 the only saving grace is that he was extremely efficient
it's okay to stop the ball if it ultimately goes to the hoop, bro.... and this guy was damn efficient offensively throughout his career.
kaspafischer ya 55% is insane, who cares how the ball goes in if you’re shooting 55%!
This just proves one of the flaws of efficiency calculations. Dantley shot a VERY high percentage, but he would hold the ball forever, and if he didn't like his options, he would pass the ball to someone else (usually a guard like Dumars or Isiah) with three seconds left on the clock, and they would have to force up a garbage shot. So, Dantley shot 55%, but he turned the other players he played with into sub 40% shooters. This is one of the main reasons he was traded from every team he ever played for; he gummed up the offense with a style that suited him, but he gave the ball to his teammates in compromising shooting positions which ultimately hurt his team. The TEAM'S field goal percentage actually improved after he left.
@@iandouglass7135 Great analogy!
isaiah overrated and ballyhhoood by media.....james edwards dumars vinny dantley sally rodamn just awesome
Too bad Isiah jinxed his career with that "homie" trade for poot butt Aguire.
is thsi repeating same scoring moveS? I swear the darrin day foul is 3x now at 501 mark
wheres walton?
145 what the fuck mchale......high school hoops says force middle toward help! u goon
amazing that dantley n mchale didnt get liek 40 shots a game, both have way higher point per shot that jordan
410 never seen that b4
547 rarely see that
445 people wonder why I sayy NAB died 1990
ever seen anyone dog mchael so hard
isaiah was cancer if isaiah wre traded for aguire b awesome
143 why do celtics let dantly arguably best scorer fo all time, go 1 on 1? wtf???????and fundamentally why does mchale let him go left not force him to middle and other defender help? NBA staged?
isaiah was cancer...dantley shoulda shot MORE
Good lord lol
lakers kryptonite: double lew and watch worthy! let no staimna ervin wear himself out n do many turnovers and call fouls on cooper
cant skant the dant!!!! jordan n lew given titles by refs same as diet jordans
isaiah was cancer
The man who single handedly almost won a series by him self on one foot was a cancer. But a ball hog who didn't even try to guard James Worthy wasn't? In what world?
refs stole 87 88 for lkaers as they did ealry in 80s from 76ers n celts for lakers
450 holy shit........liek mchale dantley seems to be doing nothing but go try it yourseflf lol
Gavin Schuette what does this comment mean?
higher point per shot than lew or jordan and easily over kobe n le bron desptite them given championships byrefs
celtics up by 15 in 2nd how did DET ge past em? refs!!! lol celtic coach shoulda sent DJ to libya for playoffs
det shoulda traded isaiah n lambeer for aguirre
Lol
lakers in 80s given all titles by refs no question watch all games in plaoff in 3rd quarter start geting thes eweird calls giving lakers 5 -6 more possesions to n eeek out the game same as bulls in 90s scam detroit or celtics better 87 88
dj was cancer
NBA like Tv school and democrat politics is all shitty thee days destroy the universities and end public school and welfare.....lower gov ernment spending 99% and deregualte ban private law firms pay judges n lawyers way less
literally no press.....must have been pro capitalism christian