@@rg9652I'm taking about culture not history i never tell I talk about history his mention about rig veda that's why I write comment I think indus valley also have some rig veda because they are philosophyrs but not horse they are horse add after Aryans arrived but rig ved never mention Ukrainian Russian locations
Rig Veda has many hymns about the river Saraswati which means that it was composed in India. River Saraswati dried up around 6000 BC as per geological studies, which implies that Vedic culture is at least 8000 years old.
Saraswati is just a name and it was nowhere in the subcontinent. Remember, 6000BC, there was no vedic civilization in India as Rigveda was written post horse domestication which happened after 2000BC (1700BC as the Gandhara domestication is proven to be the first domestication effort in India)
@@DesiConflicts ISRO , IIT Kharagpur and many other institutions have given hard evidences of Saraswati river flowing in Indian subcontinent a long time ago. If you don't want to believe this what can I say more.
@@DesiConflicts In Rig Veda(Hymm 10.75) Nadistuti Suktam, it is clearly mentioned that river Yamuna lies to the east and river Sutlej lies to the west of river Saraswati. So it clearly proves that Saraswati was no mythical river but a real river that used to flow through India. Hope this settles the issue now.
@@carlover5763 U r right that Saraswati river indeed used to flow between Sutlej & Yamuna & it's vague remain is Ghaggar Hakra river system in South Punjab Haryana & Rajasthan. And drying up of river due to tectonic shift in Himalayas it's feeder glacier moved & hence stopped feeding fresh water into the river. That is the main reason why Indus valley civilization cease to exist. But that doesn't mean IVC & Vedic cultures were same. Aryans used to describe & named Arghandab River in present day Kandahar as Saraswati. Later S word interchangeable with H sound & Persian Aryans called it Haraoti in Old Persian which is Saraswati in Sanskrit & with the Greeks coming into the subcontinent they pronounced it as Arachosia & named a city after it as Alexandria in Arachosia. Persians used to call Alexander as Iskandar.. So from there Kandahar got it's present name. I hope it made my point clear.
@@royarnab26 You have provided lots of information but I am not sure what is its relevance to the topic. I have never claimed that IVC and Vedic civilization are same.
@@RohitPrasad-su7hk2000 BC? This is the same time where scholars say that the arrival of Aryans had started in India. So sinouli chariot was part of migration.
Horses not very sure but Vedic people who lived along saraswati river did catch and eat lot of fish and even used fish in sacrifices can u comment on fish in Vedic era since the people who moved to bengal and west coast are still fish eating Brahmins and are called saraswats
I guess the diet of Saraswats is more regional and has no historical influence. Just like Maharashtra and Goan saraswats do eat fish, while Gujrat still being coastal and closer to the supposed Saraswati river are purely vegetarians. My next video is about food and beef. Look forward to it I guess.
Wow, great video and definitely something that I was thinking about for some while by this point. You conveyed your message very well, even the animation quality has increased. Another thing that disproves the theory that horses were native to India is that they are not mentioned in any one indus seal. Sure, a fragment of a horse remain (Surkotada, like you mentioned) might exist, but it doesn't seem to have played a big role in the indus Valley. I always look forward to a new video from you :D!
Glad you liked it. Surkotada horse bone could have come from upper layers of excavation as the layer where the bone was found was not clear. And we do know the vedics brought horses to subcontinent. So it just means it could have come from a later day.
@DesiConflicts Yes, we would need more definite evidence as to what layer and time the horse was from. DNA testing of the horse, if the DNA matches with the Eurasian horse, could get us somewhere. It's also possible that it was seen as an exotic animal to them, and imported through trade, but not in too large of quantities.
I haven't seen a single hymn that mentions burial. Meanwhile here is a descriptive cremation hymn. Don't burn him through, Agni; don't scorch him; don't singe his skin, nor his body.| When you will make him cooked to readiness, Jātavedas, then impel him forth to the forefathers.|| When you will have made him cooked to readiness, Jātavedas, then deliver him to the forefathers.|| When he will embark on the (way) leading to (the other) life, then he will lead at the will of the gods.| Let your eye go to the sun, your life-breath to the wind. Go to heaven and to earth as is fitting.| Or go to the waters, if it has been fixed for you there. Take your stand in the plants with your limbs.|| - Rigveda 10.16 Only burials were for cremated bones and dead babies.
@@DesiConflicts can u please suggest me how can I read Rigveda cause I don't understand Sanskrit is there any translations available? Can u please suggest some .
Ralph T. H. Griffith's English translation is good but it is also old. So it can be difficult. Stephanie W. Jamison's translation is recent but expensive. Read it from a library or libgen for free. But remember that most of the things that are written as metaphors. So make sure to consider alternate meanings of the hymns.
@@DesiConflicts Wrong, you haven't seen one because you haven't done your research. Like in my previous comment, RV does describe burials as agreed my many scholars. RV is a multi ethnic society with varying IA/IE practices so to is the IVC. IVC has many burials with no bones/ashes just memorials, which means the dead was disposed by other means. Such as cremation or exposing the dead to the elements/sun like the Iranian burials. Cremation became vogue in India over time. Another thing the mainstream PIE homeland, Yamnaya culture is a burial culture as well.
The Indus culture had horses also. The Indus highly developed culture did not decline. It is evident the later intruded uncultured thugs like groups behaviour and inhuman animal like behavioural practices were not only disruptive but also harmful and dangerous to cultured society. When intolerable the cultured Indus civilised people and their supporters and dependents decided to move towards homeland I Tamilnadu. It was of course arduous journey. Some people settled midway in favourable locations.
Here in Karnataka the Lingayat community can be related to this settled group Others reached another prospect seaport KAVERIPUHUM PATTINAM and continued their trading with far east.
When later this port city got slowly submerged in to the rising seawater, the remaining groups travelled homewards and settled away from sea and river. That cities are now called CHETTINADU in Tamilnadu. The people are specifically called NAGARATHHAR They still practice their ancient highly developed cultural traditions and practices.
Horse exports from Arabia were continuous...and replaced in the 19th century by imports from Australia, right up until after WW2. Arab horses are great, if you get a good one, but ''Walers'' were composite types rather than pure-bred, and more durable in sub-continental conditions, as well as more reliably tempered. Horses don't do well in much of the subcontinent, or most monsoonal tropical zones, but Northern Australia does ok.
I have been interested in ancient civillisations for a long time. Unfortunately, any study of IVC is made even more difficult because of the way Indians (some of them) passionately mix myth and legend and fight you when you ask for evidence. It was really refreshing to see this unbiased factual video on the topic. Thank you you've done a great job.
The Indus valley developed into a prosperous and wealthy civilization from 2600 BC onwards and was at its peak in 1900BC The international trade and associated fame attracted interest world wide. Consequently the. Valley came under imminent invasion by treasure hunting barbaric Horsemen from the Russian Steppes. Even the well organized Valley made up over a 100 Cities could not have countered a Such a formidable attack. So they planned to systematically evacuate the Cities. They migrated with their families, wealth and belongings including animals and carts to distant parts of India. They scattered in every direction avoid pursuit The Indus Valley lay intact but devoid of human inhabitañts for long time By 1500BC Aryans also known as Eurasians migrated into the area. The new settlers brought a new language religion and culture to the Valley. It was the beginning of the Vedic Civilization.
The Indus Valley was found empty and without inhabitants or riches. The disappointed Steppe Horsemen returned home to Russia with their Pride severely hurt and their DNA intact. The Indus Valley natives with no invasiion casualties proceeded to settle down in further peaceful parts of India.where they make up a large part of the population. 85 percent.
I have a serious request to you. Please make a collab with Mr. Abhijit Chavda. His view of the Aryan Invasion Theory is completely different. A debate between two highly qualified person is highly welcomed. This is a heartful request. 🙏🏻
Good video. The origins of everything is controversial really: steel; most racial groups; viruses; major food crops; religions. Thats a fact that people who get triggered by your theories should remember. Even gravity is just a theory. Most of the things people think are facts are actually just theories.
@@DesiConflicts yes...validate or cross out. Not argue about forever. That's why we should mostly ignore mainstream academia. Their goal is not to find the truth but to argue forever about obvious fallacies. There is no end to that. A new academia is forming that will wipe all that nonsense away. With that in mind I much enjoy to watch your videos.
Rigveda is full of bluff, Rigveda say victory of kuru, kuru. Kuru are shaivit and shaivit are Indian according to you. Puru and Anu are non other then phastun and jaat. Today most of Hindus are shaivit. Puran say Asuras were Victorious. Bunch Brahmins philosopher wrote some stories which for away from imagination.
Yadi vedic dharm indus valley civilisation ke baad aya then yeah kaise ho sakta hai hi ivc site pe swastik ka symbol mile, male and female genitals ka symbol mile jo ki tino hindu dharm ke part hai and yaeh sab me harpaa site se dekh ke bata raha hu please apna feedback de ispe
I have a question it is believed "the vedic people brought horses to India from central Asia" but in google it says the Indo-Aryans brought the horses to India? How Indo-Aryans are different from Vedic people when it is the Indo-Aryans who brought horses in India?
Salute to you for taking on this narrative and approaching it in an unbiased and factual manner. You probably receive a lot of hate from people who are invested in the anti-AIT/AMT narrative. It takes guts to upload something like this. Cheers to you.
If there were no horses in india so why we have pre Harappan horse figure from lothal And what do you think about this ruclips.net/video/Vv-G9A14kg0/видео.html
The lothal figurine was proved to be falsified and the whole incident was an embarrassment for people involved. About the video you posted, I went through it. Her approach is good but her assumptions are all wrong and way too far fetched. That is the problem with all the pseudo archeology in academia-dot-edu website as well
@@DesiConflicts dude .. yours is also a theory & not a proof. A plausible theory with some evidence for support .. but not conclusive. History is like that .. anybody who brags of "facts" ends up having to keep defending their own stance through many somersaults
What is the reason that cow and horse pictures are not found on indus seals?. During the vedic period, cow was symbol of vaishyas and horse was symbol of shudras, that is why cow and horse are not found on indus seals. During the vedic period , goat was symbol of brahmins and sheep was symbol of kshatriyas, that is why goat and sheep are found on indus seals. If you know or you can think of any other reason why the horse and specially the cow symbol is not found on indus seals, then let me know.
A cow is not there, but an ox or a bull is. There are Ox seals, there are ox figurines. There are figurines of oxen found as far as daimabad. All the other stuff you posted is wrong though. There are no goat seals.
Go and look up ‘Harappan horse’. You'll immediately find the terracotta horse idols from IVC. I can't post links because comments with links get automatically deleted.
Bhimbetka cave paintings were done in phases, some being as new as 1500AD. Horse paintings of Bhimbetka are of newer phases. No horse paintings have been found from the older phases.
@@DesiConflicts Horse painting is well researched and established as early Holocene mesolithic period of atleast 10000 BC. All mediaeval paintings are of geometric shapes. Humans dancing hunting riding horse are mesolithic period are established. Also, chariot found in sinauli has predominate evidence that of horse 1. Yoke is smaller and size of chariot is also small 2. pole is longer and thinner 3. whip found is leather used for horses 4. burial also had sword and shield which indicates warrior not farmer
@@SMCGPRA 1 and 2, as compared to what? 3. No whip is found. 4. Sword and Shield of what metal bro? lol. Its a copper sword. About the paintings, absolutely wrong. Do not write without providing proofs.
I have read a lot of articles on this topic and most of them claim horses came to India around 1800 bce to 1500bce but there is this one article by Michel danino, he claimed indus people did have horses and they found toys that resemble horse like shape and features and he also claimed indus people knows about spoked wheels he provided some pictures, are this claim true please answer or make a video on it please its a request 🙏
I discovered the horse theory just and i have not done any research about this but based on theory that you have no evidence of horse in indus valley you concluded that vedic culture is is around 1500 BC 😂😂 wow here yiu have to think or apologize maybe 🤔
This video is outdated per the Sanauli excavations near Delhi. It also challenges the notion that Harappan civilization is the oldest Indian settlement.
That's not wrong. But if we trace their domesticaton we always end up to a single place of origin. Like for horses it is around central asia, ukraine, and eurasia.
Bhimbetka paintings - An inconvenient truth for AIT apologists. 😂 ... The method of dating is like Ohh we found a horse painting, let's place that in 300 BC period because there were no horses in India before that. Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.
Can there be co existence of SSC or IVC as well as Vedic civilization in the north, unless the Krukahetra Truth is evident nothing can be deciphered clearly
Its not the eyes that are blind its the heart .. when u are bound to certain beliefs its very difficult to change that person beliefs .....its the fact that there is trade relations between indus and Mesopotamia..and the domestication of horses were first happened around 2500 to 3000 bc so it may have reached india around 2000 bc around that time indus valley was at its decline and maybe the seals that are found there were older than 2000 bc thats why it doesn't represent horses ...there are traces of civilization in gujrat i dont remember its name but its dated back to around 9000 years and its a well made civilized society...there are scientific evidence that indus valley people export tin from Central asia around 3000 bc in the same way they used to export horses not in heavy nos but good amount as the vedas are written at a time when all the civilization were just in there starting phases no kings no army
"I can decipher indus-saraswati script" "I can prove aryan tourism theory" What next, Rajpal Yadav voice: "Mai expert hu muje sab ata hain" Abe chavanni ja ke dhruv tatti ka boot polish kar. Ye sala_cogressi hai not some unbiased paragon.
@@DesiConflicts thanks, i do not agree with your timing of 300 BCE. Thats too recent to have conflicts with many issues. anyway, in this field, it seems, people already make up their mind and facts are seen through lenses. if this talk might help you, so be it. ruclips.net/video/HraoKemxmiU/видео.html
Just FYI, I am not saying Rigveda was conceived in 300BC. I am saying it was written down around 300BC. It was first conceived somewhere between 1500BC to 1000BC and then went on evolving just like any other orally shared stuff.
Can make a video on who and what races were the Asurs , rakhshas , pishachas i somewhere read that they where local tribes but don't know anything more about them
I am actually in the planning phase of video about real meaning behind Diwali. Spoilers. The festival days are named after Mahabali, Narakasur, And Yama. Almost about Asuras. I will cover the Asura-Sura connection in it :)
असुर जनजाति के लोग आज भी मध्यप्रदेश, छत्तीसगढ़, झारखंड में रहते है ये लोग लौह अयस्क खोज कर उससे लोहे के हथियार, वस्तु बनाया करते थे ये जंग रहित लोह बनाया करते थे नकारा सरकार और अफसरशाही की वजह से इनका ज्ञान लुप्त होने की कगार पर है। लोहे का काम करने की वजह से इनको असुर अगरिया भी कहा जाता है।
Weird self defeating thought process. Weak is always conquered.. mentally, intellectually physically weak ones. Power & powerful cultures always prevail, until they go weak & get overpowered by another emerging culture. All this may or may not involve widespread violence .. maybe sporadic, but mostly weak people, cultures, communities actually crawl when asked just to bend. I'm being very pragmatic & not unsympathetic. It happens exactly the same way everywhere everytime .. all the time .. every day hour & minute. It is a natural course of humanity. Ranting against it is rhetorical. Living a life dreaming of exacting revenge for some real, but mostly imagined & exaggerated injustices is actually a bigger waste of life.
India barely made 2-3% archeology. Lets find more and we will see war horses too. And if you look at bhimvetka caves you will se not 1-2 but 1000 of horses depicted. And bhimvetka caves are way way older
As mentioned in this video, Bhimbetka cave paintings were done in multiple phases. The horses paintings are all dated to be after collapse of Indus Valley.
@@DesiConflicts but archelogy says they are 8000 years old and you can see god with trident in bhimvetka. Even this name bhimvetka comes from bhim bethka. Means place where bheem use to sit or vatika or bethka.
@@DesiConflicts what is you take on hubal?? Like singhu became hindu, saptah became haftaah shivaal became hubal. Hubal was god with trident in arab and had 2 consort. One of his consort used lion as vehicle. And central and south america, mama cita means maa sita, they called male to purush, even greeks egyptians were indians because india is close to equator and ice on bharat region melted before other regions. And when ice age passed, indian rishis spreaded in every direction as genetic says out of india theory. Persian was snatan also looks at the name of persian and syrian kings. Lets make more archeology and then we can decide the origin of horse. And we see horses evidence in gujrat region. Either you are driven by western main stream media or you might be a hypocrite. Because presenting half truth is not a work of seeker/scientist
@@ahummbrahmasmi Not all of them, even pre sapient hominids used to live in the Bhimbetka and there were humans living in these caves till very recently. Each population sample made their own artwork in different times. Horse paintings are already carbon dated and are less than 3000 year old.
@@DesiConflicts still surkotada shows 2400bc horse remianing in harappa site. And horse is mention 219 times in rigved, which is way more than cow mentioned in rigveda. And bhirrana was vedic civilisation which is 9500 years old. And vedic civilisation means sanskrit and rigveda. I see you are using western glass to see history but i would like to add. Acceptance is power and ignorance is curse. Where else do you see civilisation older than bharat?
Bhaiya jab rigvedic kal me body ko creminate karne ka norms after the invasion/migration then central asia ya Europe ke kuch part me bhi body ko creminate jata hoga or wah tradition aaj bhi chal raha hoga,,, apka is pe kiya take hai??
Its mentioned in the video. It's from the later stages in Bhimbetaka. Bhimbetka caves were utilized by people from multiple time periods. Earlier time phases don't have horses. It's been carbon dated.
I have seen SK Manjuls lecture and continuing to calling it Chariot has the same problem as Pashupati seal. The seal itself is not Pashupati but it is called Pashupati by the Archeologists who found it. Same thing with Chariots. It's a cart. SK Manjul also references all the rigveda hymns out of context. Its very sad to see him tarnishing his own legacy by doing this.
@@DesiConflicts "the seal itself is not Pashupati" .. big statement to make very casually A chief archeologist is blown off casually by calling him incompetent. Your video did raise some pertinent questions .. but answered none of them conclusively. But you talk irresponsibly & for a young man .. carry a big ego already ( or maybe an agenda)
@@BackfootPunch Its a common practice by the archeologists to name something by something that is known. Not calling the archeologists incompetent's but calling all the other people incompetent who are using the name of the seal to match it with the existing deity. Its just a name given by the archeologist.
Also this is absolutely wrong. This point of view is absolutely incorrect. Its not a conservative belief. Its now an archaeologically incorrect notion. Sorry.....
@@ahummbrahmasmi 400,000 number you posted is wrong. Homo Sapiens first evolved around 200,000 BP-ish and then migrated about 100,000 years after that out of Africa.
@@DesiConflicts @DesiConflicts ..... So what about the aihole rock inscription which mentions mahabharta war as 3735 years after pulakesin II ruled southern India & deccan?
@@malharb6109 Aihole inscription was done in 6th Century and onwards. More than 1000 years after the actual war. And to put it mildly, people during ancient times are not really famous for their timekeeping skills.
@@DesiConflicts.... 6th century means 1400 years from now & Mahabharata war 3735 years before that as mentioned .... You can't deniy an archeological evidence selectively. And people of bharat were very accurate in ancient days when mentioning a time period as they calculated through nakshatras &solar system(astrology)which can be verified even today
@@DesiConflicts It's not about possible. It's about astro archaeological observation and paleochannel study on Saraswathi river along with textual analysis proves it doesn't sync with your claimed Vedic Culture period.
All the horses of North East and East are from recent breeding efforts and the genetically can be traced back to horses of Eurasia. The same breed of horses that were brought by the Vedics.
We have genetic evidence that tells us that there was no domestication of horses before 3000BC and no horse domestication in India before 2000BC. What counter evidence can you provide?
@@DesiConflicts what evidence to produce it is written in history that 2300 ago chandraguta attack Alexander on sitting on horses .so it cannot happen without domestication of horses
@@rameshkeswani962 Bruh, what I am saying horse domestication happened around 5000 years ago, Mauryan empire was 2300 years ago. Of course they had horses. Can't you do the math?
Indus valley civilization what a name when more than half of sites are on the ghaggar hakra paleochannel 😂😂😂.There is a research paper publish on Nature journal about the river related to Saraswati river.
But why do we need to equate ancient india with indus Valley? Few centuries ago India didn't had any ancient civilisation. Only when British found unusual rocks and did excavation then only indus valley civilisation came to knowledge . Who knows their may be other civilisation like this ?? In South heard there is keeladee or something. Now do the region of indus valley civilisation come into region mentioned extensively in mahabharat? In mahabharat we got region like bihar which are more North and north east while indus civilisation is more north west. So are archaeological team doing excavation in those region to say horses were present in ancient india or not ?
The problem is the political narrative focuses on hating the migration. If the vedic culture turns out to be a late comer and a part of kinda-sorta recent migration then it becomes a problem for status quo.
Wrong. There are paintings from the Paleolithic (8000 years or older) in Bhimbedka caves which show horse riding people hunting a giraffe like animal. Many other depiction of horse riding as well which would have to be at least 5000 years old. Horse riding started in India.
Wrong. The Bhimbetka paintings were from different phases. Even Pre Homo Sapiens used to live there. There are no Horse painitngs that are pre vedic. All the horse paintings that are drawn there are pretty recent..
@@DesiConflicts Wrong. Completely wrong. There are some paintings that depict humans hunting a giraffe like animal which used to exist in India over 8000 years ago proving those paintings are at least that old.
It is true it is not conclusive. But even 1500 BC sounds weird because it's a painted grey ware culture that existed then. All those were rural settings. Mahabharatha and Ramayana were not rural settings.Harappan civilization were urban settlements however, they didnt seem to have warriors. The question is how were they protected? Weapons were also not found. There are so many questions. To conclusively state that somehow Vedic civilization came from Europe or Iran is still premature. I am not encouraging people who say that our civilization is the oldest. Just from the amount of literature alone, you can perceive that it is old. It is one among the oldest civilizations because, after all, civilizations dont spring up in Vacuum. They are adjoining. Arey yaar....they called themselves Aryan...civilized...compared to whom? Dont make these premature assertions that westerners make looking from outside in.
It is not correct that horse bones were not found in Indus Valley Civilization. In Sarkotada and several sites horse bones were found. There are many anals not depicted on seals that does not mean horse was not there. If the Indus Valley was a leading civilization of the time exporting goods to Mesopotamia and Egypt would it not be able to import horses. It seems odd. Could they also venture out int North of North West India and capture horses from the wild there.
There were almost no horses in Egypt and Mesopotamia till 2000BC. The domesticated horses entered just the anatolia around 2000BC (Modern day Turkey). And 2000BC-1800BC is the time of decline for Indus Valley.
@@DesiConflicts I said they exported goods to M and E. Id not say import from same place. This is attesting to their trading skills. They exported throughout central Asia so they could import horses from their home ground or capture the horses from the wild. And this assumes that there was no horse species in India. All attestations that there were no horses in India are lacking in proper reasoning. No bones is not true because bones were found in Sarkotada and many other sites. The Sanauli chariot which is of Indus valley time period was light and dimensioned to be driven by horses. Therefore they got horses either indigenous horses or imported them.
Wrong again. There are terracotta idols of Horses from the Harappan period. As for your claim of 'Vedic' culture being 4.32 million years old, you just made a wrong interpretation. The scriptures say that the universe came into existence 4.32 BILLION years ago (which is almost correct).
There are zero terracotta figurines of Horses from Indus Valley. There was one that was found that turned out to be a scam and is debunked by multiple researchers.
@@DesiConflicts Horse remains from the Harappan site Surkotada (dated to 2400-1700 BC) have been identified by A.K. Sharma as Equus ferus caballus.[subnote 3] The horse specialist Sandor Bökönyi (1997) later confirmed these conclusions, and stated the excavated tooth specimens could "in all probability be considered remnants of true horses [i.e. Equus ferus caballus]".[subnote 4] Bökönyi, as cited by B.B. Lal, stated that "The occurrence of true horse (Equus caballus L.) was evidenced by the enamel pattern of the upper and lower cheek and teeth and by the size and form of incisors and phalanges (toe bones)."[subnote 5]
So why all hindu gods with black colour skin tones 😂
Ex: shiva Krishna ram
And why rig veda dress culture some as ivc dress culture
Those are Mythology, who cares about them, history is written on the basis of evedince
@@rg9652I'm taking about culture not history i never tell I talk about history his mention about rig veda that's why I write comment
I think indus valley also have some rig veda because they are philosophyrs but not horse they are horse add after Aryans arrived but rig ved never mention Ukrainian Russian locations
Saraswati evidence is so prominent that no amount of denial will put the vedas to 300 BC. 😮
Rig Veda has many hymns about the river Saraswati which means that it was composed in India. River Saraswati dried up around 6000 BC as per geological studies, which implies that Vedic culture is at least 8000 years old.
Saraswati is just a name and it was nowhere in the subcontinent. Remember, 6000BC, there was no vedic civilization in India as Rigveda was written post horse domestication which happened after 2000BC (1700BC as the Gandhara domestication is proven to be the first domestication effort in India)
@@DesiConflicts ISRO , IIT Kharagpur and many other institutions have given hard evidences of Saraswati river flowing in Indian subcontinent a long time ago. If you don't want to believe this what can I say more.
@@DesiConflicts In Rig Veda(Hymm 10.75) Nadistuti Suktam, it is clearly mentioned that river Yamuna lies to the east and river Sutlej lies to the west of river Saraswati. So it clearly proves that Saraswati was no mythical river but a real river that used to flow through India. Hope this settles the issue now.
@@carlover5763 U r right that Saraswati river indeed used to flow between Sutlej & Yamuna & it's vague remain is Ghaggar Hakra river system in South Punjab Haryana & Rajasthan. And drying up of river due to tectonic shift in Himalayas it's feeder glacier moved & hence stopped feeding fresh water into the river. That is the main reason why Indus valley civilization cease to exist. But that doesn't mean IVC & Vedic cultures were same. Aryans used to describe & named Arghandab River in present day Kandahar as Saraswati. Later S word interchangeable with H sound & Persian Aryans called it Haraoti in Old Persian which is Saraswati in Sanskrit & with the Greeks coming into the subcontinent they pronounced it as Arachosia & named a city after it as Alexandria in Arachosia. Persians used to call Alexander as Iskandar.. So from there Kandahar got it's present name. I hope it made my point clear.
@@royarnab26 You have provided lots of information but I am not sure what is its relevance to the topic. I have never claimed that IVC and Vedic civilization are same.
I do wish the conservative s develop some common sense
Do you have it ... Chariot in sinauli is horse driven 2000 bce
@@RohitPrasad-su7hk2000 BC? This is the same time where scholars say that the arrival of Aryans had started in India. So sinouli chariot was part of migration.
@@krillin3350 aryan invasion dated 1500 bce
@@krillin3350 500 hundred years gap
@@RohitPrasad-su7hk bro, The Aryans started arriving around 2000BC and the Vedas were written from 1500BC to 500BC.
Who needs facts, when you have legends. Perfect ending 😂😂😂
More like when you have RSS and Modi.
Legends without facts. LOL
This was a very interesting watch. I look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Horses not very sure but Vedic people who lived along saraswati river did catch and eat lot of fish and even used fish in sacrifices can u comment on fish in Vedic era since the people who moved to bengal and west coast are still fish eating Brahmins and are called saraswats
I guess the diet of Saraswats is more regional and has no historical influence.
Just like Maharashtra and Goan saraswats do eat fish, while Gujrat still being coastal and closer to the supposed Saraswati river are purely vegetarians.
My next video is about food and beef. Look forward to it I guess.
Very good...non biased original history.
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Lol he is taking a side
Wow, great video and definitely something that I was thinking about for some while by this point. You conveyed your message very well, even the animation quality has increased. Another thing that disproves the theory that horses were native to India is that they are not mentioned in any one indus seal. Sure, a fragment of a horse remain (Surkotada, like you mentioned) might exist, but it doesn't seem to have played a big role in the indus Valley. I always look forward to a new video from you :D!
Glad you liked it.
Surkotada horse bone could have come from upper layers of excavation as the layer where the bone was found was not clear. And we do know the vedics brought horses to subcontinent. So it just means it could have come from a later day.
@DesiConflicts Yes, we would need more definite evidence as to what layer and time the horse was from. DNA testing of the horse, if the DNA matches with the Eurasian horse, could get us somewhere. It's also possible that it was seen as an exotic animal to them, and imported through trade, but not in too large of quantities.
@@DesiConflictsnationalist😅😂
Rig Veda also speaks about both cremation and burial.
I haven't seen a single hymn that mentions burial. Meanwhile here is a descriptive cremation hymn.
Don't burn him through, Agni; don't scorch him; don't singe his skin, nor his body.|
When you will make him cooked to readiness, Jātavedas, then impel him forth to the forefathers.||
When you will have made him cooked to readiness, Jātavedas, then deliver him to the forefathers.||
When he will embark on the (way) leading to (the other) life, then he will lead at the will of the gods.|
Let your eye go to the sun, your life-breath to the wind. Go to heaven and to earth as is fitting.|
Or go to the waters, if it has been fixed for you there. Take your stand in the plants with your limbs.||
- Rigveda 10.16
Only burials were for cremated bones and dead babies.
@@DesiConflicts can u please suggest me how can I read Rigveda cause I don't understand Sanskrit is there any translations available? Can u please suggest some .
Ralph T. H. Griffith's English translation is good but it is also old. So it can be difficult. Stephanie W. Jamison's translation is recent but expensive. Read it from a library or libgen for free. But remember that most of the things that are written as metaphors. So make sure to consider alternate meanings of the hymns.
@@DesiConflicts thankyou for the suggestions 😉✌️
@@DesiConflicts Wrong, you haven't seen one because you haven't done your research. Like in my previous comment, RV does describe burials as agreed my many scholars. RV is a multi ethnic society with varying IA/IE practices so to is the IVC. IVC has many burials with no bones/ashes just memorials, which means the dead was disposed by other means. Such as cremation or exposing the dead to the elements/sun like the Iranian burials. Cremation became vogue in India over time. Another thing the mainstream PIE homeland, Yamnaya culture is a burial culture as well.
Indus valley civilisation is older than vedic civilisation and i am dure it us connectted to Dravidian civilissation!!
If it is so...then why indus valley has Vedic culture aspects.? Why worship idols and Shiva .?
The Indus culture had horses also. The Indus highly developed culture did not decline. It is evident the later intruded uncultured thugs like groups behaviour and inhuman animal like behavioural practices were not only disruptive but also harmful and dangerous to cultured society.
When intolerable the cultured Indus civilised people and their supporters and dependents decided to move towards homeland I Tamilnadu. It was of course arduous journey. Some people settled midway in favourable locations.
Here in Karnataka the Lingayat community can be related to this settled group
Others reached another prospect seaport KAVERIPUHUM PATTINAM and continued their trading with far east.
When later this port city got slowly submerged in to the rising seawater, the remaining groups travelled homewards and settled away from sea and river.
That cities are now called CHETTINADU in Tamilnadu. The people are specifically called NAGARATHHAR They still practice their ancient highly developed cultural traditions and practices.
No,
We find evidences of vedic rituals in ivc sites like kalibanga, lothal and dholaveera
Very well researched. Keep it up bro. This channel deserves to grow
Thank you for kind words. :)
@@DesiConflictsnationalist, now don't use word slut, but you can use simp, nationalist law😅😂
Wow... Amazing... Was waiting for such a thing
Horse exports from Arabia were continuous...and replaced in the 19th century by imports from Australia, right up until after WW2. Arab horses are great, if you get a good one, but ''Walers'' were composite types rather than pure-bred, and more durable in sub-continental conditions, as well as more reliably tempered. Horses don't do well in much of the subcontinent, or most monsoonal tropical zones, but Northern Australia does ok.
I have been interested in ancient civillisations for a long time. Unfortunately, any study of IVC is made even more difficult because of the way Indians (some of them) passionately mix myth and legend and fight you when you ask for evidence.
It was really refreshing to see this unbiased factual video on the topic. Thank you you've done a great job.
Deserves more views....loved ur content...hope you make more such informative videos based on evidence backed by science and not on jingoism
Thanks. I will try to stay true to the evidence backed by science.
The horse argument podcast of Shrikant Talgeri is on The carvaka podcast channel
He is biased
He is not. You are the one who is biased. Talageri is a great scholar. He doesn’t toe the narration of white men
The Indus valley developed into a prosperous and wealthy civilization from 2600 BC onwards and was at its peak in 1900BC The international trade and associated fame attracted interest world wide. Consequently the. Valley came under imminent invasion by treasure hunting barbaric Horsemen from the Russian Steppes.
Even the well organized Valley made up over a 100 Cities could not have countered a
Such a formidable attack. So they planned to systematically evacuate the Cities. They migrated with their families, wealth and belongings including animals and carts to distant parts of India. They scattered in every direction avoid pursuit
The Indus Valley lay intact but devoid of human inhabitañts for long time
By 1500BC Aryans also known as Eurasians migrated into the area. The new settlers brought a new language religion and culture to the Valley. It was the beginning of the Vedic Civilization.
The Indus Valley was found empty and without inhabitants or riches. The disappointed Steppe Horsemen returned home to Russia with their Pride severely hurt and their DNA intact.
The Indus Valley natives with no invasiion casualties proceeded to settle down in further peaceful parts of India.where they make up a large part of the population. 85 percent.
I have a serious request to you. Please make a collab with Mr. Abhijit Chavda. His view of the Aryan Invasion Theory is completely different.
A debate between two highly qualified person is highly welcomed. This is a heartful request. 🙏🏻
Agreed... quite logical
Gr8 video, the youth of india,i stand by it.
Interesting. Thanks for clarifying some doubts i had
Glad it was helpful!
Or for creating confusions and spreading wrong information.
Dhruv Rathee of early history 😂😂
Good video. The origins of everything is controversial really: steel; most racial groups; viruses; major food crops; religions. Thats a fact that people who get triggered by your theories should remember. Even gravity is just a theory. Most of the things people think are facts are actually just theories.
We have to keep doing research to validate or cross out the theories. We should continue to move forward. :)
People many things controversial. There are many evidence for the OIT
@@DesiConflicts yes...validate or cross out. Not argue about forever. That's why we should mostly ignore mainstream academia. Their goal is not to find the truth but to argue forever about obvious fallacies. There is no end to that. A new academia is forming that will wipe all that nonsense away. With that in mind I much enjoy to watch your videos.
Rigveda is full of bluff, Rigveda say victory of kuru, kuru. Kuru are shaivit and shaivit are Indian according to you. Puru and Anu are non other then phastun and jaat. Today most of Hindus are shaivit. Puran say Asuras were Victorious. Bunch Brahmins philosopher wrote some stories which for away from imagination.
You are dumb.
Pashtuns are mentioned as Pakhta in Vedas.
And jats were not even present that time.
Jats came after the Scythian invasion of India.
So does that mean that the Hindu Gods didn't really have anything Horse-related in their Mythology?
It’s interesting to see Indians still being logical about religion’s history in today’s India.
Yadi vedic dharm indus valley civilisation ke baad aya then yeah kaise ho sakta hai hi ivc site pe swastik ka symbol mile, male and female genitals ka symbol mile jo ki tino hindu dharm ke part hai and yaeh sab me harpaa site se dekh ke bata raha hu please apna feedback de ispe
He is giving us half truth to spread his agenda.
IVC was proto dravidian , not vedic at all !
Very informative thankyou
I have a question it is believed "the vedic people brought horses to India from central Asia" but in google it says the Indo-Aryans brought the horses to India? How Indo-Aryans are different from Vedic people when it is the Indo-Aryans who brought horses in India?
Salute to you for taking on this narrative and approaching it in an unbiased and factual manner. You probably receive a lot of hate from people who are invested in the anti-AIT/AMT narrative. It takes guts to upload something like this. Cheers to you.
The only truth stated in the video: "Horses were imported"
Indus is spread in 2 million sqkm and you can't remove 80 million people in 2 million sqkm
If there were no horses in india so why we have pre Harappan horse figure from lothal
And what do you think about this ruclips.net/video/Vv-G9A14kg0/видео.html
The lothal figurine was proved to be falsified and the whole incident was an embarrassment for people involved.
About the video you posted, I went through it. Her approach is good but her assumptions are all wrong and way too far fetched. That is the problem with all the pseudo archeology in academia-dot-edu website as well
@@DesiConflicts dude .. yours is also a theory & not a proof. A plausible theory with some evidence for support .. but not conclusive. History is like that .. anybody who brags of "facts" ends up having to keep defending their own stance through many somersaults
What is the reason that cow and horse pictures are not found on indus seals?. During the vedic period, cow was symbol of vaishyas and horse was symbol of shudras, that is why cow and horse are not found on indus seals. During the vedic period , goat was symbol of brahmins and sheep was symbol of kshatriyas, that is why goat and sheep are found on indus seals. If you know or you can think of any other reason why the horse and specially the cow symbol is not found on indus seals, then let me know.
A cow is not there, but an ox or a bull is. There are Ox seals, there are ox figurines. There are figurines of oxen found as far as daimabad.
All the other stuff you posted is wrong though. There are no goat seals.
WHAT A TWIST WHAT A TWIST..SWINGING BARBARIC BHRAMINS BULLSHITTERS..
Horse idols have been found in the Indus Valley Civilization.
@@prakharmishra3997 No they haven't.
Go and look up ‘Harappan horse’. You'll immediately find the terracotta horse idols from IVC. I can't post links because comments with links get automatically deleted.
A very balanced and clear narration
ln Indusvalley there were no horses Oxen were there
True.
I need your contact man i have some studies
I am planning to start a discord account. I will share it with you once I have it. Meanwhile, you can subscribe to keep updated about new videos. :)
One request, can you omit the superficial background music or noise in your future videos? The BGM noise makes it very difficult.
I will do that. I am just starting to make these videos so apologies for bad execution. I will reduce it in the next ones.
someone came to ivc from future and burried horse bones in surkotada to confuse us
If horses domesticated around 3000 bc then bhimbetka cave paintings dating 10000 bc shows horses and chariots
Bhimbetka cave paintings were done in phases, some being as new as 1500AD. Horse paintings of Bhimbetka are of newer phases. No horse paintings have been found from the older phases.
@@DesiConflicts Horse painting is well researched and established as early Holocene mesolithic period of atleast 10000 BC. All mediaeval paintings are of geometric shapes. Humans dancing hunting riding horse are mesolithic period are established. Also, chariot found in sinauli has predominate evidence that of horse 1. Yoke is smaller and size of chariot is also small
2. pole is longer and thinner 3. whip found is leather used for horses 4. burial also had sword and shield which indicates warrior not farmer
@@SMCGPRA 1 and 2, as compared to what? 3. No whip is found. 4. Sword and Shield of what metal bro? lol. Its a copper sword.
About the paintings, absolutely wrong. Do not write without providing proofs.
@@DesiConflicts ruclips.net/video/lfuFFJF_SQc/видео.html
Crap Kikkuli from Mittani kingdom wrote horse training manual 3500 years ago in Vedic Sanskrit.
It’s recorded in cuneiform script.
I have read a lot of articles on this topic and most of them claim horses came to India around 1800 bce to 1500bce but there is this one article by Michel danino, he claimed indus people did have horses and they found toys that resemble horse like shape and features and he also claimed indus people knows about spoked wheels he provided some pictures, are this claim true please answer or make a video on it please its a request 🙏
I suddenly stumbled to this channel..
He uses scihub for research... :- subscribed.
And great video...
I discovered the horse theory just and i have not done any research about this but based on theory that you have no evidence of horse in indus valley you concluded that vedic culture is is around 1500 BC 😂😂 wow here yiu have to think or apologize maybe 🤔
Aryans got to India on horseback.
Bro why you deleted the links of counter facts I have shared😂😂😂
Can you share me
Cuz it’s prolly Hindu nationalist pseudoscience lol
This video is outdated per the Sanauli excavations near Delhi. It also challenges the notion that Harappan civilization is the oldest Indian settlement.
I have literally provided explaination about Sinauli. Please re-watch.
Very good video be mindful when you say earlier and later when describing something in the past , easy to get mixed up !
This guy thinks there are no monkeys in the Sindh.
Horse is not native animal to this land...
Arre bhai sindhu civilization ke khilone main two khilone horse ke chariot museum main rakhe hai.ek chariot main two hoses hai chote khilone hai.
If you are talking about daimabad findings then those are oxen, not horses
Very good!
All animals were wild. Some of them were tamed including cow.
That's not wrong.
But if we trace their domesticaton we always end up to a single place of origin. Like for horses it is around central asia, ukraine, and eurasia.
Can you tell me who is older prakrit, pali or Sanskrit with proof
Clearly if you don't want to agree, you wont😂
For clarification on genetics watch podcast of Dr Neeraj rai the leading geneticist on Vaad channel
And he is the researcher of paper on cell journal of Rakhigarhi genes
Poori ki poori western theory hai aapki. Entire earth was snatan 5000 years ago
Ghodo ki hadiya na milne ka arth e nahi he wo bharat me nahi the? Ghode Kharid kar bhi bharat laye ja shakte he.😊
Bhimbetka paintings - An inconvenient truth for AIT apologists. 😂 ... The method of dating is like Ohh we found a horse painting, let's place that in 300 BC period because there were no horses in India before that. Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.
No horse remains have been found at Hinduvali yet
What about 4500 yo horse and charit painting in bhimbetka caves?
Can there be co existence of SSC or IVC as well as Vedic civilization in the north, unless the Krukahetra Truth is evident nothing can be deciphered clearly
Its not the eyes that are blind its the heart .. when u are bound to certain beliefs its very difficult to change that person beliefs .....its the fact that there is trade relations between indus and Mesopotamia..and the domestication of horses were first happened around 2500 to 3000 bc so it may have reached india around 2000 bc around that time indus valley was at its decline and maybe the seals that are found there were older than 2000 bc thats why it doesn't represent horses ...there are traces of civilization in gujrat i dont remember its name but its dated back to around 9000 years and its a well made civilized society...there are scientific evidence that indus valley people export tin from Central asia around 3000 bc in the same way they used to export horses not in heavy nos but good amount as the vedas are written at a time when all the civilization were just in there starting phases no kings no army
That kind of makes sense because Afghanistan had large deposits of Tin. And during bronze age that was the closest source of Tin for the middle east.
"I can decipher indus-saraswati script"
"I can prove aryan tourism theory"
What next, Rajpal Yadav voice: "Mai expert hu muje sab ata hain"
Abe chavanni ja ke dhruv tatti ka boot polish kar.
Ye sala_cogressi hai not some unbiased paragon.
Nice video. Thank you.
should have ended the video on the note of controversy itself. why are you thinking that you have the facts?
I have tried to provide all the facts I had. Let me know if I overlooked somewhere and I will include it in upcoming videos as well.
@@DesiConflicts thanks, i do not agree with your timing of 300 BCE. Thats too recent to have conflicts with many issues. anyway, in this field, it seems, people already make up their mind and facts are seen through lenses. if this talk might help you, so be it. ruclips.net/video/HraoKemxmiU/видео.html
Just FYI, I am not saying Rigveda was conceived in 300BC. I am saying it was written down around 300BC.
It was first conceived somewhere between 1500BC to 1000BC and then went on evolving just like any other orally shared stuff.
@@DesiConflictsvedas evolved over the period of time?? Kuch bhi??
@@DesiConflicts a true scientist is a skeptic, don't be so sure of things.
Can make a video on who and what races were the Asurs , rakhshas , pishachas i somewhere read that they where local tribes but don't know anything more about them
I am actually in the planning phase of video about real meaning behind Diwali.
Spoilers. The festival days are named after Mahabali, Narakasur, And Yama. Almost about Asuras. I will cover the Asura-Sura connection in it :)
असुर जनजाति के लोग आज भी मध्यप्रदेश, छत्तीसगढ़, झारखंड में रहते है ये लोग लौह अयस्क खोज कर उससे लोहे के हथियार, वस्तु बनाया करते थे ये जंग रहित लोह बनाया करते थे नकारा सरकार और अफसरशाही की वजह से इनका ज्ञान लुप्त होने की कगार पर है। लोहे का काम करने की वजह से इनको असुर अगरिया भी कहा जाता है।
I didn't find your rebuttal as convincing....at best these are only conjectures
What nonsense you say very old chariot is found in india and also samrat Ashok chariot is in sculpture .
Indus Civilization pre-dates Ashoka by more than 1000 years.
🧝🏻♂️ 🐎 Andronovo -----> 🧙🏾♂️ 🛕 Harappa
A selective narrative, I felt.. Nevertheless your presentation was catchy.
Veda is like quran, copy of orginal by distroying original culture & people...👏👏
Waah bencho😂😂😂tere baap ne kbhi dono utha k dekhi bhi he?
Weird self defeating thought process.
Weak is always conquered.. mentally, intellectually physically weak ones. Power & powerful cultures always prevail, until they go weak & get overpowered by another emerging culture. All this may or may not involve widespread violence .. maybe sporadic, but mostly weak people, cultures, communities actually crawl when asked just to bend. I'm being very pragmatic & not unsympathetic.
It happens exactly the same way everywhere everytime .. all the time .. every day hour & minute. It is a natural course of humanity. Ranting against it is rhetorical. Living a life dreaming of exacting revenge for some real, but mostly imagined & exaggerated injustices is actually a bigger waste of life.
How?
Ved are original and there is no religious scripture older than ved in India
Who do you think ved copy?or you just like blabbering
India barely made 2-3% archeology. Lets find more and we will see war horses too. And if you look at bhimvetka caves you will se not 1-2 but 1000 of horses depicted. And bhimvetka caves are way way older
As mentioned in this video, Bhimbetka cave paintings were done in multiple phases. The horses paintings are all dated to be after collapse of Indus Valley.
@@DesiConflicts but archelogy says they are 8000 years old and you can see god with trident in bhimvetka. Even this name bhimvetka comes from bhim bethka. Means place where bheem use to sit or vatika or bethka.
@@DesiConflicts what is you take on hubal?? Like singhu became hindu, saptah became haftaah shivaal became hubal. Hubal was god with trident in arab and had 2 consort. One of his consort used lion as vehicle. And central and south america, mama cita means maa sita, they called male to purush, even greeks egyptians were indians because india is close to equator and ice on bharat region melted before other regions. And when ice age passed, indian rishis spreaded in every direction as genetic says out of india theory. Persian was snatan also looks at the name of persian and syrian kings. Lets make more archeology and then we can decide the origin of horse. And we see horses evidence in gujrat region. Either you are driven by western main stream media or you might be a hypocrite. Because presenting half truth is not a work of seeker/scientist
@@ahummbrahmasmi Not all of them, even pre sapient hominids used to live in the Bhimbetka and there were humans living in these caves till very recently. Each population sample made their own artwork in different times. Horse paintings are already carbon dated and are less than 3000 year old.
@@DesiConflicts still surkotada shows 2400bc horse remianing in harappa site. And horse is mention 219 times in rigved, which is way more than cow mentioned in rigveda. And bhirrana was vedic civilisation which is 9500 years old. And vedic civilisation means sanskrit and rigveda. I see you are using western glass to see history but i would like to add. Acceptance is power and ignorance is curse. Where else do you see civilisation older than bharat?
Kya bwakwaas h ye .? Wait till they make new discoveries. It's not a legend ... it's a fact.
Hello sir do not challenge Vedic know .why scientist use horse power in electricity. Because of Veda ok
Bhaiya jab rigvedic kal me body ko creminate karne ka norms after the invasion/migration then central asia ya Europe ke kuch part me bhi body ko creminate jata hoga or wah tradition aaj bhi chal raha hoga,,, apka is pe kiya take hai??
Why are there horses in bhimbetka caves?
Its mentioned in the video. It's from the later stages in Bhimbetaka. Bhimbetka caves were utilized by people from multiple time periods. Earlier time phases don't have horses. It's been carbon dated.
Search prof SK manjul lecture on RUclips for sinauli chariot who is main archeologist of that site.
I have seen SK Manjuls lecture and continuing to calling it Chariot has the same problem as Pashupati seal. The seal itself is not Pashupati but it is called Pashupati by the Archeologists who found it. Same thing with Chariots. It's a cart. SK Manjul also references all the rigveda hymns out of context. Its very sad to see him tarnishing his own legacy by doing this.
@@DesiConflicts "the seal itself is not Pashupati" .. big statement to make very casually
A chief archeologist is blown off casually by calling him incompetent.
Your video did raise some pertinent questions .. but answered none of them conclusively.
But you talk irresponsibly & for a young man .. carry a big ego already ( or maybe an agenda)
@@BackfootPunch Its a common practice by the archeologists to name something by something that is known. Not calling the archeologists incompetent's but calling all the other people incompetent who are using the name of the seal to match it with the existing deity. Its just a name given by the archeologist.
Also this is absolutely wrong. This point of view is absolutely incorrect. Its not a conservative belief. Its now an archaeologically incorrect notion. Sorry.....
Sources of this video : trust me bro 😂😂😂
At least check the discription
Kam se kam genetic pe trust karo. Bharat se migrate hue sabhi after mahabharat.
I have made another video about genetics. Please do check that one. ruclips.net/video/s_S787LUeVg/видео.html
@@DesiConflicts yes we migrated from ethiopia 400000 years ago but its arya not aryans. Even I am one of them
@@ahummbrahmasmi 400,000 number you posted is wrong. Homo Sapiens first evolved around 200,000 BP-ish and then migrated about 100,000 years after that out of Africa.
@@DesiConflicts you should google it oldest neolithic period in india
Bro theyve found horse drawn chariots in sinauli
No they haven't. I have already debunked it in this video. Watch it. Its a cart but most probably drawn by oxen.
What about ashwamegh yagya by yudhishtir after mahabharat war?
That's way after fall of IVC and after Kuru clan was established. The timeline is in 1st millennium BC so that follows our timeline.
@@DesiConflicts @DesiConflicts ..... So what about the aihole rock inscription which mentions mahabharta war as 3735 years after pulakesin II ruled southern India & deccan?
@@malharb6109 Aihole inscription was done in 6th Century and onwards. More than 1000 years after the actual war. And to put it mildly, people during ancient times are not really famous for their timekeeping skills.
@@DesiConflicts.... 6th century means 1400 years from now & Mahabharata war 3735 years before that as mentioned .... You can't deniy an archeological evidence selectively. And people of bharat were very accurate in ancient days when mentioning a time period as they calculated through nakshatras &solar system(astrology)which can be verified even today
V good video
Thanks
Make a video on Saraswati river mentioned in Rig Veda.
Good suggestion. I will do that.
The dating of Rig Veda and your claimed Vedic Culture period doesn't sync.
Yes, it's possible that Rigveda is more recent and was written around 1000BC. It being orally transferred makes it difficult to date.
@@DesiConflicts It's not about possible. It's about astro archaeological observation and paleochannel study on Saraswathi river along with textual analysis proves it doesn't sync with your claimed Vedic Culture period.
And what about horses of North East and east
All the horses of North East and East are from recent breeding efforts and the genetically can be traced back to horses of Eurasia. The same breed of horses that were brought by the Vedics.
@@DesiConflicts wtf even you saying pony horses are 40,000 year old horse and did you know about Shivalik horses
@@DesiConflicts man i pretty sure you are Neo budhist
@@b.l.0427 Equus sivalensis went extinct before the arrival of Homo Sapiens in the Indian Subcontinent.
Looks like you have already set a frame.
Does that mean Gautam Buddha was also Aryan invader ??
There are different possibilities of Gautama Buddhas origin. I should make a video about it in the future.
😂😅
Vedic texts don t mention HORSE SACRIFICES?
They do. The Indus Civilization has no evidance of that though.
Arre bhai surya ke kitne horses hai phir koun sa horse sanatan hai Vedic ya 3000 bc ka? You are absolutely wrong.
We have genetic evidence that tells us that there was no domestication of horses before 3000BC and no horse domestication in India before 2000BC. What counter evidence can you provide?
@@DesiConflicts what evidence to produce it is written in history that 2300 ago chandraguta attack Alexander on sitting on horses .so it cannot happen without domestication of horses
@@rameshkeswani962 You know 3000BC is 5000 years ago and 5000 years ago is further down the past than 2300 years ago. Do the math.
@@DesiConflicts i do not know what you say I only say if anything is found regarding brittle war between kings before 3000bc than convey it to me
@@rameshkeswani962 Bruh, what I am saying horse domestication happened around 5000 years ago, Mauryan empire was 2300 years ago. Of course they had horses. Can't you do the math?
Indus valley civilization what a name when more than half of sites are on the ghaggar hakra paleochannel 😂😂😂.There is a research paper publish on Nature journal about the river related to Saraswati river.
But why do we need to equate ancient india with indus Valley? Few centuries ago India didn't had any ancient civilisation. Only when British found unusual rocks and did excavation then only indus valley civilisation came to knowledge . Who knows their may be other civilisation like this ?? In South heard there is keeladee or something.
Now do the region of indus valley civilisation come into region mentioned extensively in mahabharat?
In mahabharat we got region like bihar which are more North and north east while indus civilisation is more north west. So are archaeological team doing excavation in those region to say horses were present in ancient india or not ?
The problem is the political narrative focuses on hating the migration. If the vedic culture turns out to be a late comer and a part of kinda-sorta recent migration then it becomes a problem for status quo.
Jesus was myth as well
Wrong. There are paintings from the Paleolithic (8000 years or older) in Bhimbedka caves which show horse riding people hunting a giraffe like animal. Many other depiction of horse riding as well which would have to be at least 5000 years old. Horse riding started in India.
Wrong. The Bhimbetka paintings were from different phases. Even Pre Homo Sapiens used to live there. There are no Horse painitngs that are pre vedic. All the horse paintings that are drawn there are pretty recent..
@@DesiConflicts Wrong. Completely wrong. There are some paintings that depict humans hunting a giraffe like animal which used to exist in India over 8000 years ago proving those paintings are at least that old.
@@DesiConflicts Another painting shows humans hunting a humped cervid while riding horse, again proving those paintings are very old.
@@DesiConflicts Another painting shows humans taming a wild horse, once again proving those paintings are from the paleolithic.
@@DesiConflicts how do you know that only horse painting is recent one and rest are from different phase , how did you reached that conclusion ??
It is true it is not conclusive. But even 1500 BC sounds weird because it's a painted grey ware culture that existed then. All those were rural settings. Mahabharatha and Ramayana were not rural settings.Harappan civilization were urban settlements however, they didnt seem to have warriors. The question is how were they protected? Weapons were also not found. There are so many questions. To conclusively state that somehow Vedic civilization came from Europe or Iran is still premature. I am not encouraging people who say that our civilization is the oldest. Just from the amount of literature alone, you can perceive that it is old. It is one among the oldest civilizations because, after all, civilizations dont spring up in Vacuum. They are adjoining. Arey yaar....they called themselves Aryan...civilized...compared to whom? Dont make these premature assertions that westerners make looking from outside in.
Bro vedas was written in India,hence Vedic people are indeed Indians(ancestors of most Indians)
Could you teach Hindu here?
My upcoming video is about hinduism if that helps.
It is not correct that horse bones were not found in Indus Valley Civilization. In Sarkotada and several sites horse bones were found. There are many anals not depicted on seals that does not mean horse was not there. If the Indus Valley was a leading civilization of the time exporting goods to Mesopotamia and Egypt would it not be able to import horses. It seems odd. Could they also venture out int North of North West India and capture horses from the wild there.
There were almost no horses in Egypt and Mesopotamia till 2000BC. The domesticated horses entered just the anatolia around 2000BC (Modern day Turkey). And 2000BC-1800BC is the time of decline for Indus Valley.
@@DesiConflicts I said they exported goods to M and E. Id not say import from same place. This is attesting to their trading skills. They exported throughout central Asia so they could import horses from their home ground or capture the horses from the wild. And this assumes that there was no horse species in India. All attestations that there were no horses in India are lacking in proper reasoning. No bones is not true because bones were found in Sarkotada and many other sites. The Sanauli chariot which is of Indus valley time period was light and dimensioned to be driven by horses. Therefore they got horses either indigenous horses or imported them.
Wrong again. There are terracotta idols of Horses from the Harappan period. As for your claim of 'Vedic' culture being 4.32 million years old, you just made a wrong interpretation. The scriptures say that the universe came into existence 4.32 BILLION years ago (which is almost correct).
There are zero terracotta figurines of Horses from Indus Valley. There was one that was found that turned out to be a scam and is debunked by multiple researchers.
@@DesiConflicts Yeah everything that goes against your narrative is ‘scam and debunked’. Do you have any proof?
@@DesiConflicts Horse remains from the Harappan site Surkotada (dated to 2400-1700 BC) have been identified by A.K. Sharma as Equus ferus caballus.[subnote 3] The horse specialist Sandor Bökönyi (1997) later confirmed these conclusions, and stated the excavated tooth specimens could "in all probability be considered remnants of true horses [i.e. Equus ferus caballus]".[subnote 4] Bökönyi, as cited by B.B. Lal, stated that "The occurrence of true horse (Equus caballus L.) was evidenced by the enamel pattern of the upper and lower cheek and teeth and by the size and form of incisors and phalanges (toe bones)."[subnote 5]