For all the people shitting on the Empire for “running away” the issue wasn’t could they beat the BCR. Inspector Kido states that with enough time and resources they could undoubtedly pacify California. But he also states that to do so would be unwise. Japan could crush the BCR, but with the Empire spread as thing as it was with China in full revolt, the argument wasn’t whether they could win, it was if they could afford to win.
This is a global empire that has had control of many territories for decades, I'd think they'd be able to gather plenty of resources in that amount of time to have a solid grip on their conquered lands.
@@DEFC0NZER0 Its the same deal as why America lost Vietnam and Afghanistan. It was a world away, had a large population united against occupation and Japan had bigger fish to fry. They had to occupy India and China (Both second and third most populated nations on the earth) who were both at that time in open revolt. And its not like the Japanese just decided "eh forget about it" and left, the decision to leave was made very, very reluctantly. They could fight the BCR and win, they wanted to fight and win, but guys like the Inspector asked "But what are we going to get out of it in the end?" They only really occupied the PSA because they wanted California's oil. If the American Reich was willing to offer a good deal for that oil, let them deal with the communists. To them, subduing China was far more important than holding onto California.
@@DEFC0NZER0 The downfall for empires is consistently that sort of thing. It's like saying "this is a continent-wide empire that has had control of many territories for centuries, I'd think they'd be able to gather plenty of resources in that amount of time to have a solid grip on their conquered lands" about the last days of the western roman empire.
Simple solution for the Japanese: Give the BCR their own state Allow freedom of passage to said state Wait until all members of the BCR are in said state Purge the state
I was thinking this exact same thing. Asking for their own autonomous state in a localized location would allow for them all to be wiped out in one attack.
Japanese empire is struggling in fighting the Chinese, thats why they want to focus their campaign in the East China and Australia instead of holding the JPS territory where rebellion is rampant.
@@matthewpham9525 yes. And in the US, they are still a minority. Sure, they are trying to colonize and ethnically cleanse the place. But still, living is such a large culture applies pressure.
AlHoresmi Not so much pressure that top military officials speak to each other in English after only 20 years of occupation. US forces have been overseas for longer than that and it’s obvious that there has been no linguistic changes. Edit: Their written language is still Japanese, which does not translate well into spoken English.
The Japanese in those days would have simply killed every single human being whose skin tone was darker than a paper bag in response to this. Then they would have told any non Japanese inside the territory “you guys are next if you don’t behave.” “Man in the High Castle” sadly lost its believability in season 4 in its haste to wrap the story up. The show needed more time to resolve the story. In real true history, if we accept the pretense of the show (which I don’t but I can for entertainment’s sake) the “real” ending of the show would have been the end of season 2.
yup. I see no reason to believe given what we know of how the Japanese treated Chinese and Manchurian civilians. Add in Automatic weapons, they will have no issue doing genocide on anyone with a more melanin skin tone..
they also try and make communists the "good" guys, if the west coast became a racially based communist state 99% of the population will be begging the Japanese to come back. look how many people died in Russia for the revolution 20-30 million, look at china 50-100 million , there's a good reason the BCR doesn't cooperate with the other resistance groups, the other groups want to free the west coast, the BCR want control and ultimate power. they don't want to throw of the yolk of oppression, they want to be the oppressors. they're going to be the ones lining up ordinary people against the sides of buildings to shoot down in front of everybody if they don't obey the new rulers.
True I think anyone darker then a paper bag would gp first Anyone lighter then a paper bag would be given one more chance to fix this or face the same fate And then non Japanese Asians would be given another chance they would be last
@@Cpt_Boony_Hat actually, historically speaking. The germans fought to the last man and it wasn't until their capitol was in flames and their leader shot himself that they finally surrendered. The Japanese surrendered before an enemy soldier set foot on their soil
to be fair the japanese were communicating through the soviets for possible surrender long before the bombs. the thing is, u.s. didn't want just any kind of surrender, they wanted unconditional surrender aaaand they wanted to see the bombs in action. According to u.s. strategic bombing survey. the bombs weren't the reason for the surrender...
@@dio2702 i just cited americans themselves... i get why it's hard to digest. u.s. were the only ones who actually were crazy enough to use a nuclear weapon on civilians. so ofcourse you have to resort to stories like "we just had to do it" because otherwise, you'd probably look like a fucking monster-.
@Darusdei @King of the Lilin The Japanese Empire was a racist and expansionist empire that needed to end. The nuclear bombings were the catalyst for the surrender. An unconditional surrender was necessary; American conservatives were already arguing to use Japan as an asset against communism. The freedoms & rights that Japanese citizens enjoy is a direct consequence of an unconditional surrender.
@@dio2702 The bombs are not the main factor. They already saw dozens of their cities burned by the incendiary bombs. A-bomb wouldnt make any difference. But the entry of Soviet into war closed Japanese empire any chance of conditional surrender and had to face with US unconditional surrender. Besides, Japan is a great testing ground to use A-bomb, both as warning to ever hostile Soviet Union and calculating the effects of bombs on city. That is why they have 3 B-29s Silverplate( 1 for scientific purpose, 1 for photographic, and 1 bring the bomb) on a small formation to delete Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I would argue Emperor Hirohito decisive action to surrender led to Japanese Empire surrender, although he realised it way too late.
You didn't pay attention to the monologue at the beginning; they viewed them all (the clan, the Reich, the Japanese) as all the same. The Japanese were just that week's enemy.
@@daniel_sc1024 ironic that this world made black just the same kind of people, they claim to fight against. They just pick targets, based on the skin colour, they chose to not cooperate with resistance groups of white Americans, and their endgame goals have nothing to do with communism in the slightest.
@@daniel_sc1024 well, fiction in the end is just the mirror of the real world - you can't write about something that doesn't exist at least in your own mind.
@Abdigani Aden Random public area. The main tactic of Japanese were to break the will to the fight and Yamato can easily level a city with in 6 - 8 hours.
@Abdigani Aden Why don't you use logic? Will they leave the city intact or burn it into ruble while retreating? Everyone here knows that no way Japanese would have left the most prosperous area of their empire because of some bombs. It was asspull writing.
Interesting replying to a two year old comment, when some of the stuff i am going to talk about happened after your comment was made. Thinking about he final fall of governments, and specifically occupying governments to resistance movements I'm reminded of both Vietnam and the US (and everyone else) in Afghanistan. The Viet Minh began fighting French colonial occupation in 1918, joined forces with the Americans against the occupying Japanese in 1942, saw their country handed back to the French in 1945, and eventually defeated the Americans in 1975. The final fall came suddenly, but it was the result of 57 years of fighting. Likewise, the US involvement in Afghanistan ended in less than a month, but was a result of 20 years of bitter resistance. What looks like sudden success often ignores decades of struggle laying the groundwork for that success.
@@Cthippo1 This rationale does not follow nor is even a close comparison. There was zero groundwork or any foundation for the BCR. You cannot compare them to the viet minh when the BCR were not mentioned at all nor existed in any from in any season until season 4
@@Bob-km1whthere was a resistance or implied one it seemed or at least former one in season 1 and 3 but it wasn't developed and was barely mentioned. Then Season 4 comes around and series is abruptly ended and the BCR which likely wasn't even their name at first comes up in an attempt to salvage some good ending which means rushed ending and sloppy writing
Japan in real life: [so fanatically devoted to victory that they have to be nuked twice before they finally surrender] Japan in S4 of this series: [packs up and leaves after one string of guerrilla attacks]
In real life the Japanese actually did put strategy before straight up suicide attacks for sometime. It was only later in the war when it became obvious defeat was inevitable that they chose to make enemy victory as costly as possible. Otherwise despite losing 4 aircraft carriers they would have commence an invasion of Guam regardless. That being said in the show the Empire is losing a war against a rebellion in China so it would make sense to withdraw and dedicate more manpower and resources to that theatre any way.
First of all, they got a fucking massive Asian rebellion that could have wipe the Japanese army if wasn't for the withdraw, they needed to withdraw from America in order to win the war.
Japan can't fight 2 massive wars at once. Considering, that Japan lost millions in Man in the High Castle's timeline, it makes sense that they retreat to conserve Manpower. All things considered, losing there holdings in North America is a minor loss compared to losing the whole Empire.
Why do people seem to forget that they’re already facing a massive insurrection in China? One that they’re losing at that and the BCR’s guerrilla (red dawn esque) campaign against Japan does not make the situation for Japan easier. It’s not a decision that came easy in the show either, literally took a assassination attempt on a member of the imperial family before the Emperor withdrew his forces.
I don't mind the BCR as a concept, it is honestly an interesting concept. A resistance group that has reservations about cooperating with the other resistance groups as well as the powers that be. But they feel rushed, sloppy and mary sueish. They show up in the final season, are better than everyone, scare the japanese into retreating after just 1 assassination and a bombing and fight off a full nazi invasion. And their negative aspects or aspects that could hinder their movement (like the fact that they won't operate with the resistance and even considered leaving resistance forces to die) never get fully addressed and it seems like the show may be unaware that those could be negatives? Idk, interesting concept, poor execution, could've been done better I feel.
@@seamusfinnegan1164 Yeah, meaning the Luftwaffe withdrew before the actual attack could commence. Therefore the invasion never happened. I get the technicalities, but the original commenter is framing it in a way as if there was a full scale battle between the Nazis and BCR.
It's not out of the question that they wouldn't operate with other resistance groups. There were Yugoslavian resistance who fought against both the Nazis and each other simply because one was monarchist and the other was communist.
@@ThunderRod Yes the issue here is without the outside support Yugoslav communists ended up getting the BCR should not be in control, there would be larger stronger resistance groups then them based on their core demographic of both black and communist, especially as pretty much every other resistance group would be out to stop communists groups. Let alone any racists resistance groups in various form or outright nazis that want to join with the reich that would be causeing problems.
Loved how they just went “Let’s just act like we’re so weak and retreat from America.” but when they were fighting in China they was like “LET’S CHARGEEEE WOOOOOOO”
They also got too much power too quickly they went from being a small loose group underground Rebels to a full-blown organized resistance with enough Firepower to put up a decent threat against the Reich
There was literally no point to add the BCR, they only added it because "white man resistance bad because USA before invasion was also bad, did we mention white man bad?"
@@TheRepty818 I mean I'm not wrong at all, it was brought up several times in the last season. They even stopped a group of resistance from hanging a Japanese Kenpeitai commander because it represented "lynching black folk"
Jack Marston Child OK first of all Hiroshima was not terrorism and second Japan was offered a chance to surrender but they didn’t take it and the US did what they needed to do to end the war, even if that meant targeting civilian cities And just an FYI, do you know how many Chinese civilians the Japanese killed during the second Sino Japanese war what about them they were civilians?
Reality: BCR: attack JPS JPS: commit mass genocide again and never look back OR: BCR: attacks JPS JPS: leaves america Germany: Ooh boy here I go conquering and committing mass genocide again! Smith: dies (or not. if he doesn't then ignore this) Germany: Conquers and commits even more genocide to "avenge" his death
I never read the books or watched the show, but I do have a pretty good idea of what the results of this kind of attack would have been. The Japanese army's occupying force would have come out of their cantonments shooting...everyone, regardless of non-asian race, man woman children. And the first units to run out of small arms would have fixed bayonets and just kept going. Sorry folks, that's what they did in China. No reason they would have tried anything different.
They were already struggling against china in the show, saying that they already captured manchuko and Korea so they don’t really have a choice but leave to save energy and since they view Asia as a more important gem it adds up to the Japanese hesitation combined with the increasing resistance to withdraw.
Japanese culture at the time was simple, either be assimilated or be annihilated. They cared more about adherence to Japanese customs and religion more than race. Whereas Germany was race first, then culture would be created from the most pure race.
Nope. They did that with china because china are inferior scummy dogs (which is a fact) and they hate the chinese with their whole heart. If we just let them control china and america wouldn't be a smartass we would have a peaceful, prosperous asia, not this mess of aggression that it is now.
Ricardo Greene Billions that would’ve been spent better taking care of US citizens health, education & welfare or continue constant, un-winnable wars around the globe?
@@spike339 true, but by capita we spend more on social security then we do on the military, and it's not like we aren't building up education and health for some parts of the foreign countries we're in. Also you make it sound like shitty education is mostly the fed.government's fault, I know theres some under funding but still, ghetto areas can have the best schools in the US but people will still act like ghetto assholes and not do the work. But yeah I know what you mean by the whole terrorism thing.
Ah yes. The last season of MitHC. When a bunch of black people show up out of nowhere and save the day and plan to set up a black only West coast, and we are supposed to think that's a fantastic outcome.
this happens when you go on until u have an high audience but you do not have a plot so now black people are fashionable so why not put them in? personally i left that bullshit end of season two.
I didn't mind the BCR in the last season, but there could have been a better explanation for their inclusion now. Perhaps The Resistance moved their forces into the Neutral Territory (as there was a bit of a jump from S3 to S4), leaving a vacuum out west, and now the small number of BCR fighters used that as a chance to rise up and start fighting the Japanese on their own. Honestly, it would have added just like 5 minutes to the first episode, how hard could that have been?
In this alternate reality, what happened to the dreaded Kempetai (the Japanese military police) that had historically kept the occupied territories under iron grip and made any guerrillas keep their head down waiting for outside help?
their grip wasn't so iron in real life. in Japanese occupied china, paramilitary and partisan activities never stopped behind Japanese lines, it was actually incredibly frustration for them and they only increased in atrocities in response which only got more and more normal civilians to join these partisan groups. this is half the reason why china alone held down like 75% of the Japanese army for years even while the Japanese had millions of collaborator troops from Manchuria and other occupied areas.
@@mxn1948 Compare the population of Japan to the populations of the occupied territories (Korea, Taiwan, much of Eastern China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Singapore). Maintaining control over such a vast and populous area even if some guerilla activity materialized was nothing short of extraordinary. Compare it to US efforts in Vietnam for instance...
@@VersusARCH Us fought in Vietnam with its hands tied behind its back, ie supplies from china and the soviets was untouched until they were already in vietnam, airbases that had suspected soviet "advisors" were untouchable, and vietnam got up to date weapons in the AKs and Migs. China and the rest of asia at the time had no such luxuries, japan had total naval and air domination, they could and did go after the supply lines of their enemies and no target was really off limits and no one was supplying them well enough with anti-tank and anti air weapons, a japanese armor formation was near untouchable in china(even when its very weak compared to a soviet or german or american armor) simply because china had almost no armor of its own and it lacked anti-tank guns and man potable rocket launchers. japan occupation of asia was extraordinary but not in that they performance extremely well, just that they did so at the only time in history that it come have happened, china was very fragmented and fighting a civil war, the west was in a war of its own, rest of asia had no tech and industrial base compared to japan. pick literally any other time in world history, aside from the late 20s to 45 japan would have gotten nowhere either because china woulda been too strong, or the west would have stopped them(to protect their own interests)
@@mxn1948 US did go after the supply routes even in the neighboring Laos and Cambodia with airstrikes and even commando raids but it was not enough. Airpower alone at that time, and probably even today, can hurt but cannot cut the supply lines, especially of an asymmetric combatant. Sufficient boots on the ground are needed (sorry, commandos). That is one of the reasons Japan went after Burma. The real US problem in Vietnam was insufficient manpower. Standard US solution to that problem through alliances which provide cannon fodder did not work well enough this time. Additional problem was insufficient willingness to accept losses in personnel (compare to WW2 Japan). Fear of Chinese intervention (as in the Korean War) or a nuclear exchange was the reason the US did keep SOME gloves on (though less than what you seem to believe), but had it taken them off - the other side would too. Facing NFL, NVA AND additional 2 million Chinese soldiers with regular replacements would have been way worse and more humiliating than historic Vietnam. And in retrospect, with today's Vietnam resisting Chinese influence and actually forming economic and perhaps even some defense ties with the US in order to do so seems to vindicate that approach (compare to North Korea which did host Chinese troops during its war and in which Chinese and Russian influence is far stronger today, IMHO at least in part as a consequence of that).
Oh yes. Very much so! The army command even wanted to assassinate Admiral Yamamoto because they thought he was "too soft" because he did not want to go to war against the United States, because he had lived there while studying, and KNEW Japan could not win a prolonged war against the United States. Ironically, the plan he chose to go with was similar to the plan the Confederacy had in the American Civil War, to try and "Shock and Awe" the Union into accepting peace, by winning a lot of victories early. But both times, the Union suffered through the early defeats, geared into "total war" mode, and grinded their enemies into dust in two years!
The Japanese Navy’s fellow branch/ brother in arms/ mortal enemy the imperial Japanese Army. However there is no way in hell Japan’s leaving after this
Yes. The Navy wanted to attack the European Empires much later, after China was defeated and resources secured about the mid 1950s. The Army wanted to take advantage of the Nazi victories in Europe and grab what they wanted from the Allies in Asia. The Japanese like the other countries that allied with the Nazis assumed Hitler would win the war. This animosity between the two branches of the military continued until the surrender.
It was suffering massive casualties in China, if you watched the show you would know. Going to war with Germany is not something the already crippling Japanese empire needed.
Riiiiight 🙄 The BCR were the REAL racists... Is this what ya'll have to tell yourselve, so that you can justify dismissing the very REAL atrocities committed by NAZIS in the show?! Like seriously, I cannot believe you'd claim that these rebels are WORSE than Nazis, with a straight face. 🤦🏻♀️😆 LMAOO
It took italian people like 50 years at most to become as American as apple pie. Blacks have been here since day one they still cant get it right. Jajajaja
Knowing the imperial Japanese from history the reprisal to them is not gonna be very good People don’t realize but imperial Japan was actually more brutal than Nazi Germany
@Skooma Cat The reasoning behind the withdrawal is actually very irrational to say the least. If you watched the series, a Japanese MC (Kido) was asked by the princess if they could hold the states, he said absolutely but would cost Japanese lives.
The BCR came from nowhere after half the cast was fired. The production decided to go woke, and this season is totally broke compared to the previous seasons
In real life the Japanese saw empire as a way to acquire resources and therefore economic strength. The army itself may have been fanatical about holding onto America but Japanese politicians would have realised that, far from providing economically, America was draining them. There is also the issue of distance between America and Asia. Japan would arguably be a lot safer by consolidating control of Asia and being more compact. Allowing the Reich to have the Western Hemisphere may mean peace between the powers and a harder fight for the Reich if they attack later. I think this is a fairly believable outcome.
imperial japan in this universe: never surrender, nuke me twice i don’t care japan in this universe: wait we got bombed by a resistance movement alright boys get your things we are leaving
All Black Army in this show: defeats Super Nazi Reich and Japanese Empire. All Black Army in reality: Operation Eland in Rhodesian War - 84 Selous Scouts vs 5,000 Zimbabwe Liberation Army - Rhodesian Victory - Zimbabwe Casualties: 2,000 Soldiers killed - Rhodesian Scouts Casualties: 4 wounded. Fell for a literal Trojan Horse type operation
Still couldn't understand why they are so focused on the JPS oil. I mean Malaya, Borneo and the Dutch East Indies is a place full of oil. Like filthy rich of it and they are in full control of it.
Thank you for posting these!! Please do Bell’s “If we must die...” speech from the beginning of The Box. IMO it’s the best written monologue of season four.
The storyline of this series went from being believable gradually turning into the biggest load of shit ever. Had much more potential than this nonsense, Japan not retreating from America but fall to their knees after a milita detonate a few bombs
@@TheRepty818 the Tet offensive was a massive lengthy ground offensive by NVA troops, a few terrorist attacks and crying on the radio isn’t nearly like it. Not to mention it was years after the show takes place in
@@The_Honcho Looks like this season went right over your head. Why do you think they spent so much time on their movement or Childan's speech to Kido about how these people will never give up unless he kills every last one of them. They realized that the Chinese and the Americans would never stop fighting for independence and that trying to hold the land was impossible. It's the story of many revolutions. Americans won the revolutionary war because they made it so costly for the British that they gave up holding the land.
BCR would've been interesting if it wasn't so rushed. The fact that a parallel universe Black America that is divorced from American ideals that failed them, a parallel world where there is no Civil Rights Movement is intriguing. The BCR leader had a point. Why would we go back to the American Ideals if they were so easily crushed under the boot of fascism in the last world war? That was the nuance of the scene where Bell was advising them to use the Stars and Stripes. They felt that White America betrayed them. I couldn't blame them for embracing the false hope claimed by Communism. I would have loved for the series to go longer. Wanted to see the BCR ally themselves with the American Resistance eventually, and all the ideological and racial tensions it comes with working together.
@@fritzyboi6390 Granting their own state under Marxist utopian ideals will inevitably turn it into a s-hole just like any country touched by this ideology in our timeline.
I disagree. There's two main problems here: 1. it sucks any hope for a resolution out of the series, because there is no "rejection of ideals," all that changes is instead of two, there's now three groups getting in on the ethnic cleansing. Seems like everyone has embraced the nazi ideology and nobody is left to contest it. 2. It is utterly inconsistent with how resistance groups under occupation have typically influenced culture. A real life occupation would have a unifying effect on all oppressed, it always has in every conflict in history. This could be a good source of intrigue. Instead, a hamfisted token plot is wedged in, papering over the real emotional experiences of resistance culture, and being so disconnected from (the viewer's) reality it doesn't even acknowledge genocide as a bad thing anymore as long as the right people are doing it.
Not really, maybe you could argue that for the real world timeline. But in this timeline, there Axis unnecessarily conquered the world and went beyond the goal of self preservation which is the goal of the BCR.
@Ryan Barnes Racial Nationalism isn't the same thing as Racial Supremacy. One side wants self-determination and the escape of oppression, the other wants ethnic genocide. That's a pretty big difference.
The biggest issue I have with the BCR is that if we look at how to show portrays the way the fight the Japanese, they should not even be a group. How does a group of a small ethnic minority manage to be such a thorn in a massive empire (don’t use the excuse that the empire was spread out because that makes no sense for this alternate history scenario, if you can conquer America then you can control it, by that logic the Reich should be having trouble with its outer territories as well). I could maybe find the BCR existing more believable if they operated in the Neutral zone but no, they operate in the empire itself so how they even exist is just beyond me. If Japan was struggling to deal with the BCR then just go back to reprisals (more specifically black people because I highly doubt that anyone other than the BCR would care too much about if they started to mass murder a small group of people). Japan could also just give them the land that they want and just purge them with no problem so why not just do that instead. Japan also somehow losing to China in this universe makes no sense either, China only had a fighting chance against Japan with the help of foreign aid from the Soviet Union and the US so with those two countries gone they could not take Manchuria or even get supplies ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE PACIFIC OCEAN. I honestly think the BCR is a good way to reflect certain movements in the 1960s but in order to pull it off correctly you have to have give these guys a proper explanation for there existence and make the characters in the BCR you know “characters” and not cardboard cutouts. I don’t believe “wokeness” killed this show I believe bad writing killed the show, unique ideas with terrible execution that’s all I have to say (I can’t believe I spent this much time evaluating this comment).
I think the number of targets hit was only half of what scared them, the other half is how coordinated it was...basically not only can we hit you, but we can do so in a HIGHLY organized and targeted fashion
In reality, colonial nations face more violent attacks and didn't leave so easily... As a french, I can give the example of France After a terrorist attack in Madagascar (1 000 french died), 50 000 people were killed in retaliation in 1947 (mostly civilians). And we didn't leave (only 13 years later). Hundreds of thousands people were killed in french colonies. France was not fascit at all, and less violent than Japan. Japan would never have left so easily.
@@aloys5961 You also have to keep in mind that in this timeline Japan is fighting a losing war against China on which Manchukuo and Korea have already been lost. So it makes sense to avoid another long drawn out conflict.
@@afroartist1086 And in our timeline the Japanese were losing the war in China, and in the Pacific, and still decided to try and invade India. So the point is kinda moot
@@afroartist1086 Correct. The Japanese were already bled dry holding their Asia assets. How in the world would they be able to occupy West United States? That scene was their version of the Tet Offensive. Many Americans stopped believing Westmoreland's emeny killed statistics were leading to victory after the Tet Offensive.
Some of this series historic oddities. Japan would of had no oil shortage. They took the Dutch East indies. In the US the Dutch company is called Shell Oil. But here there begging the Nazis for oil. The last season of the show was slapped together to end it. The Black movement is an interesting plot element but introduced to late in the show . But the idea that they would take over the West Coast is a bit far fetched. There would not be that many Black people outside of LA. Also people should not get to excited with the word Communist in the series. In this world the former US would see Communist as Allies because the culture would still be stuck in the 1930s and 1940s. No Cold War era . There was a Communist movement in California and the US because of the Great depression, which needless to say showed the failings of Capitalism . Many States today still have laws prohibiting third parties on their ballots .
also its lost its authenticity in the end i feel. Nothing looked plausible to me in a world where the Third Reich and the Empire of Japan would have won.
While there was a decline in quality for season 4, it still wasn't as bad of a decline as got in the last few seasons. At least the John Smith and Kido arcs made up for an otherwise poor season 4, can't say anything redeeming about the end of GOT.
@@ALeaud ??? Communism is an evil that has led to the deaths of millions. FYI - Biden is no where near being a communist so I am not sure why you cite him.
In reality : France killed 200 000 people before leaving Indochina 300 000 people before leaving Algeria, (8 years of war) 50 000 people were killed in Madagascar in retaliation of a terrorist attack who killed 1000 french (and we left 13 years later) And France was not fascist at all. So Japan would never have done that.
@@andreysokolov8974 i mean they basicly hand the rest of nort america over to the US Reich and the us reich gives them oil that they need ---- keep in mind that the US had 70% of world production back then most of it came from texas ----- the manpower from the west + US oil should be enough to secure china and siberia - this is a simple case of you don´t wan´t to many enemys at once
i love this show just because they use like all the worst forms of government they can. I dont know why but every time i hear "Black Communist Rebellion" it cracks me up it sounds like some shit South Park would come up with.
@@ALeaud holy shit you sound insecure. Didn't even mention either politician smoothbrain. I sleep with my Beretta next to me and have a large distain towards our government ran by banks and rich politicians. Yet here you are. "Sticking it to me" with the lame ass snowflake comment. Were you born this insecure or did somebody touch you?
@@jordanjoestar8839 Stop crying. You sound like a huge loser. Sleep with your beretta lol You are a total nutjob. I hope you enjoy your new President Biden :)
In reality, the Japanese would've turned both the cities and the countryside upside down and shot every black person they saw as a form of revenge and retaliation.
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For all the people shitting on the Empire for “running away” the issue wasn’t could they beat the BCR. Inspector Kido states that with enough time and resources they could undoubtedly pacify California. But he also states that to do so would be unwise. Japan could crush the BCR, but with the Empire spread as thing as it was with China in full revolt, the argument wasn’t whether they could win, it was if they could afford to win.
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This is a global empire that has had control of many territories for decades, I'd think they'd be able to gather plenty of resources in that amount of time to have a solid grip on their conquered lands.
@@DEFC0NZER0 Its the same deal as why America lost Vietnam and Afghanistan. It was a world away, had a large population united against occupation and Japan had bigger fish to fry. They had to occupy India and China (Both second and third most populated nations on the earth) who were both at that time in open revolt. And its not like the Japanese just decided "eh forget about it" and left, the decision to leave was made very, very reluctantly. They could fight the BCR and win, they wanted to fight and win, but guys like the Inspector asked "But what are we going to get out of it in the end?" They only really occupied the PSA because they wanted California's oil. If the American Reich was willing to offer a good deal for that oil, let them deal with the communists. To them, subduing China was far more important than holding onto California.
@@DEFC0NZER0 The downfall for empires is consistently that sort of thing. It's like saying "this is a continent-wide empire that has had control of many territories for centuries, I'd think they'd be able to gather plenty of resources in that amount of time to have a solid grip on their conquered lands" about the last days of the western roman empire.
The entire show was doomed once the BCR came along. Like, come on. Seriously? A black communist rebellion? REALLY?
Simple solution for the Japanese:
Give the BCR their own state
Allow freedom of passage to said state
Wait until all members of the BCR are in said state
Purge the state
I was thinking this exact same thing. Asking for their own autonomous state in a localized location would allow for them all to be wiped out in one attack.
No because then the whites would ask for a space too. And the BCR could refortify their forces
Japanese empire is struggling in fighting the Chinese, thats why they want to focus their campaign in the East China and Australia instead of holding the JPS territory where rebellion is rampant.
*_Just nuclear genocide it._*
@@awddfg lol then they have nothing
I see the Japanese have switched their official language to English
I mean it kinda makes sense. Japanese are a minority in US it makes sense. In our timeline US has heavy Japanese influence
@@Horesmi
Uh, what? I'm talking about the alternate timeline, where the Japanese rule half the US.
@@matthewpham9525 yes. And in the US, they are still a minority. Sure, they are trying to colonize and ethnically cleanse the place. But still, living is such a large culture applies pressure.
AlHoresmi
Not so much pressure that top military officials speak to each other in English after only 20 years of occupation. US forces have been overseas for longer than that and it’s obvious that there has been no linguistic changes.
Edit: Their written language is still Japanese, which does not translate well into spoken English.
@@matthewpham9525 it's a movie/tv series for god's sake, who gives a fuck, just enjoy it instead of being some ww2 hyper historian...
The Japanese in those days would have simply killed every single human being whose skin tone was darker than a paper bag in response to this. Then they would have told any non Japanese inside the territory “you guys are next if you don’t behave.” “Man in the High Castle” sadly lost its believability in season 4 in its haste to wrap the story up. The show needed more time to resolve the story. In real true history, if we accept the pretense of the show (which I don’t but I can for entertainment’s sake) the “real” ending of the show would have been the end of season 2.
yup. I see no reason to believe given what we know of how the Japanese treated Chinese and Manchurian civilians. Add in Automatic weapons, they will have no issue doing genocide on anyone with a more melanin skin tone..
And given the time period, most Americans with skin tone lighter than a paper bag would have helped the Japanese.
they also try and make communists the "good" guys, if the west coast became a racially based communist state 99% of the population will be begging the Japanese to come back. look how many people died in Russia for the revolution 20-30 million, look at china 50-100 million , there's a good reason the BCR doesn't cooperate with the other resistance groups, the other groups want to free the west coast, the BCR want control and ultimate power. they don't want to throw of the yolk of oppression, they want to be the oppressors. they're going to be the ones lining up ordinary people against the sides of buildings to shoot down in front of everybody if they don't obey the new rulers.
@@turk88 Yep the Chinese helped some of your forces we will respond by killing 250,000 of them
True
I think anyone darker then a paper bag would gp first
Anyone lighter then a paper bag would be given one more chance to fix this or face the same fate
And then non Japanese Asians would be given another chance they would be last
“Leave thousands of miles of territory” said no Japanese emperor ever
-Japaneese Empire
-Retreats
Choose one
Japanese empire...
Never the black communist, I'll pick Japanese Empire
Everyone says they’ll fight to the last man only the Japanese meant it. So them turning tail is well it be more believable if the Germans left
@@Cpt_Boony_Hat actually, historically speaking. The germans fought to the last man and it wasn't until their capitol was in flames and their leader shot himself that they finally surrendered. The Japanese surrendered before an enemy soldier set foot on their soil
@@warhawk9566 yes but German units actually surrendered. No Japanese unit ever did albeit some individuals did they surrendered because of the emperor
Real world Japan - keeps on fighting after one atomic bomb and doesn't even surrender straight away after the second..
to be fair the japanese were communicating through the soviets for possible surrender long before the bombs. the thing is, u.s. didn't want just any kind of surrender, they wanted unconditional surrender aaaand they wanted to see the bombs in action. According to u.s. strategic bombing survey. the bombs weren't the reason for the surrender...
@@dio2702 i just cited americans themselves... i get why it's hard to digest. u.s. were the only ones who actually were crazy enough to use a nuclear weapon on civilians. so ofcourse you have to resort to stories like "we just had to do it" because otherwise, you'd probably look like a fucking monster-.
@Darusdei @King of the Lilin The Japanese Empire was a racist and expansionist empire that needed to end. The nuclear bombings were the catalyst for the surrender. An unconditional surrender was necessary; American conservatives were already arguing to use Japan as an asset against communism. The freedoms & rights that Japanese citizens enjoy is a direct consequence of an unconditional surrender.
The bombs were also a show of force to show Stalin the might of the newly armed US.
@@dio2702
The bombs are not the main factor. They already saw dozens of their cities burned by the incendiary bombs. A-bomb wouldnt make any difference.
But the entry of Soviet into war closed Japanese empire any chance of conditional surrender and had to face with US unconditional surrender.
Besides, Japan is a great testing ground to use A-bomb, both as warning to ever hostile Soviet Union and calculating the effects of bombs on city. That is why they have 3 B-29s Silverplate( 1 for scientific purpose, 1 for photographic, and 1 bring the bomb) on a small formation to delete Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
I would argue Emperor Hirohito decisive action to surrender led to Japanese Empire surrender, although he realised it way too late.
They actually believe that the Japanese are their worst enemy, bruh not a single black breaths in the east coast
You didn't pay attention to the monologue at the beginning; they viewed them all (the clan, the Reich, the Japanese) as all the same. The Japanese were just that week's enemy.
@@daniel_sc1024 ironic that this world made black just the same kind of people, they claim to fight against. They just pick targets, based on the skin colour, they chose to not cooperate with resistance groups of white Americans, and their endgame goals have nothing to do with communism in the slightest.
@@mdokuch96 It's a fictional piece of work, so no irony.
@@daniel_sc1024 well, fiction in the end is just the mirror of the real world - you can't write about something that doesn't exist at least in your own mind.
@@mdokuch96 actuually you can and many people do.
In real scenario, Yamato comes and bombs them to the hell.
@Abdigani Aden Random public area. The main tactic of Japanese were to break the will to the fight and Yamato can easily level a city with in 6 - 8 hours.
@Abdigani Aden Like Nanjing mascare never happened? Rather than dissing other's opinion why don't you bring something to table.
@Abdigani Aden Why don't you use logic? Will they leave the city intact or burn it into ruble while retreating? Everyone here knows that no way Japanese would have left the most prosperous area of their empire because of some bombs. It was asspull writing.
@@suryaprakash2126 It wasn't the most prosperous area of their empire. wtf.
Scenario: Yamato leaves Japan to deal with these rebels, hits a strong wave, gets a dent and has to go all the way back to Japan for repairs
One of the more ridiculous things in the last season was the ease of the success of the revolt, which is saying something.
Interesting replying to a two year old comment, when some of the stuff i am going to talk about happened after your comment was made.
Thinking about he final fall of governments, and specifically occupying governments to resistance movements I'm reminded of both Vietnam and the US (and everyone else) in Afghanistan. The Viet Minh began fighting French colonial occupation in 1918, joined forces with the Americans against the occupying Japanese in 1942, saw their country handed back to the French in 1945, and eventually defeated the Americans in 1975. The final fall came suddenly, but it was the result of 57 years of fighting. Likewise, the US involvement in Afghanistan ended in less than a month, but was a result of 20 years of bitter resistance. What looks like sudden success often ignores decades of struggle laying the groundwork for that success.
@@Cthippo1 This rationale does not follow nor is even a close comparison. There was zero groundwork or any foundation for the BCR. You cannot compare them to the viet minh when the BCR were not mentioned at all nor existed in any from in any season until season 4
@@Bob-km1whthere was a resistance or implied one it seemed or at least former one in season 1 and 3 but it wasn't developed and was barely mentioned. Then Season 4 comes around and series is abruptly ended and the BCR which likely wasn't even their name at first comes up in an attempt to salvage some good ending which means rushed ending and sloppy writing
Japan in real life: [so fanatically devoted to victory that they have to be nuked twice before they finally surrender]
Japan in S4 of this series: [packs up and leaves after one string of guerrilla attacks]
In real life the Japanese actually did put strategy before straight up suicide attacks for sometime. It was only later in the war when it became obvious defeat was inevitable that they chose to make enemy victory as costly as possible. Otherwise despite losing 4 aircraft carriers they would have commence an invasion of Guam regardless. That being said in the show the Empire is losing a war against a rebellion in China so it would make sense to withdraw and dedicate more manpower and resources to that theatre any way.
First of all, they got a fucking massive Asian rebellion that could have wipe the Japanese army if wasn't for the withdraw, they needed to withdraw from America in order to win the war.
Japan can't fight 2 massive wars at once. Considering, that Japan lost millions in Man in the High Castle's timeline, it makes sense that they retreat to conserve Manpower.
All things considered, losing there holdings in North America is a minor loss compared to losing the whole Empire.
Exactly
Why do people seem to forget that they’re already facing a massive insurrection in China? One that they’re losing at that and the BCR’s guerrilla (red dawn esque) campaign against Japan does not make the situation for Japan easier. It’s not a decision that came easy in the show either, literally took a assassination attempt on a member of the imperial family before the Emperor withdrew his forces.
They attacked Salinas? What did they target? The strategic Artichoke surplus?
My guess was railway lines or major roadways.
@@alexsandrsenaviev4529 Correct. The railway lines of the artichoke surplus.
Gilroy was next!
@@devinthierault Not our nation's Garlic reserve!
@@devinthierault too soon
I don't mind the BCR as a concept, it is honestly an interesting concept. A resistance group that has reservations about cooperating with the other resistance groups as well as the powers that be. But they feel rushed, sloppy and mary sueish. They show up in the final season, are better than everyone, scare the japanese into retreating after just 1 assassination and a bombing and fight off a full nazi invasion. And their negative aspects or aspects that could hinder their movement (like the fact that they won't operate with the resistance and even considered leaving resistance forces to die) never get fully addressed and it seems like the show may be unaware that those could be negatives? Idk, interesting concept, poor execution, could've been done better I feel.
You must have some kind of faulty memory condition cause the BCR definitely didn't fight off a Nazi invasion.
@@afroartist1086 the BCR were in charge (somehow) and setup to fight the nazis when they were called off at the last minute.
@@seamusfinnegan1164 Yeah, meaning the Luftwaffe withdrew before the actual attack could commence. Therefore the invasion never happened. I get the technicalities, but the original commenter is framing it in a way as if there was a full scale battle between the Nazis and BCR.
It's not out of the question that they wouldn't operate with other resistance groups. There were Yugoslavian resistance who fought against both the Nazis and each other simply because one was monarchist and the other was communist.
@@ThunderRod Yes the issue here is without the outside support Yugoslav communists ended up getting the BCR should not be in control, there would be larger stronger resistance groups then them based on their core demographic of both black and communist, especially as pretty much every other resistance group would be out to stop communists groups. Let alone any racists resistance groups in various form or outright nazis that want to join with the reich that would be causeing problems.
Loved how they just went “Let’s just act like we’re so weak and retreat from America.” but when they were fighting in China they was like “LET’S CHARGEEEE WOOOOOOO”
BANZAAAAAAAAAI
You can just tell the type of people who wrote this horrific dialogue and story.
seriously
It's what happens when you hire activists and not writers.
The BCR's main plot is introduced way too late into the series IMO.
They also got too much power too quickly they went from being a small loose group underground Rebels to a full-blown organized resistance with enough Firepower to put up a decent threat against the Reich
I liked the BCR, but they needed more build-up to get to this point. Introducing them a season or two earlier would've helped a lot with this.
Holly's just needed to have them so they wouldn't be considered rascist.
Black People fight and winning against white people, plus added Socialism
@@g.r.senterprisevenatorclas7314 But japanese people aren't white.
The BCR could’ve been cut from the series entirely. They just didn’t fit, the characters are uninteresting, and it was rushed.
So the BCR wanted to make a Zimbabwe on the west coast?
yup, but this time there arnt even white farmers to leave, theyre already staving
@Skooma Cat chaz
@Brandon Nope, Zimbabwe isn't Communist. Get your facts straight.
@@Afroman29 Shut the fuck up
@Treadmill Malaise and no one needs you
Can't believe a terrorist explosion can be this sleep-inducing. Literally anything BCR does pretty much
Pretty boring, Yeah?
The sjw appeasement season
There was literally no point to add the BCR, they only added it because "white man resistance bad because USA before invasion was also bad, did we mention white man bad?"
@@ragingroyal729 Ya'll are so sensitive.
@@TheRepty818 I mean I'm not wrong at all, it was brought up several times in the last season. They even stopped a group of resistance from hanging a Japanese Kenpeitai commander because it represented "lynching black folk"
Now that's just straight up terrorrism XD
Poprou It’s not terrorism if they took out military infrastructure and oil pipelines
It’s terrorism if they targeted the population in cities
Jack Marston Child OK first of all Hiroshima was not terrorism and second Japan was offered a chance to surrender but they didn’t take it and the US did what they needed to do to end the war, even if that meant targeting civilian cities
And just an FYI, do you know how many Chinese civilians the Japanese killed during the second Sino Japanese war what about them they were civilians?
Jack Marston Child I mean I totally agree with you on that
Brayden Lom i mean moral bombing basically terrorism, it’s meant to inflict terror
Brayden Lom which they did, Plus they were killing anybody that wasn’t black
Reality:
BCR: attack JPS
JPS: commit mass genocide again and never look back
OR:
BCR: attacks JPS
JPS: leaves america
Germany: Ooh boy here I go conquering and committing mass genocide again!
Smith: dies (or not. if he doesn't then ignore this)
Germany: Conquers and commits even more genocide to "avenge" his death
Spoiler: Smith dies, which is pointless...
I never read the books or watched the show, but I do have a pretty good idea of what the results of this kind of attack would have been. The Japanese army's occupying force would have come out of their cantonments shooting...everyone, regardless of non-asian race, man woman children. And the first units to run out of small arms would have fixed bayonets and just kept going. Sorry folks, that's what they did in China. No reason they would have tried anything different.
They were already struggling against china in the show, saying that they already captured manchuko and Korea so they don’t really have a choice but leave to save energy and since they view Asia as a more important gem it adds up to the Japanese hesitation combined with the increasing resistance to withdraw.
Japanese culture at the time was simple, either be assimilated or be annihilated. They cared more about adherence to Japanese customs and religion more than race. Whereas Germany was race first, then culture would be created from the most pure race.
@@beardedbros7215 uh, no they cared about race a lot
Yes, based on actual history i think the Japanese would just slaughter every Black person they made contact. Most likely by sword.
Nope. They did that with china because china are inferior scummy dogs (which is a fact) and they hate the chinese with their whole heart. If we just let them control china and america wouldn't be a smartass we would have a peaceful, prosperous asia, not this mess of aggression that it is now.
“Terrorism is okay we do it” :DDD
US does it every day for the past century.
@@spike339 and you still benefit from it.
Ricardo Greene Billions that would’ve been spent better taking care of US citizens health, education & welfare or continue constant, un-winnable wars around the globe?
@@spike339 true, but by capita we spend more on social security then we do on the military, and it's not like we aren't building up education and health for some parts of the foreign countries we're in. Also you make it sound like shitty education is mostly the fed.government's fault, I know theres some under funding but still, ghetto areas can have the best schools in the US but people will still act like ghetto assholes and not do the work. But yeah I know what you mean by the whole terrorism thing.
Would you call the French resistance terrorism? Sometimes a resistance like that is needed
Ah yes. The last season of MitHC. When a bunch of black people show up out of nowhere and save the day and plan to set up a black only West coast, and we are supposed to think that's a fantastic outcome.
Not to mention the entire west coast is now communist
The last season ruined the series. Deus ex machina. Poor!
this happens when you go on until u have an high audience but you do not have a plot so now black people are fashionable so why not put them in? personally i left that bullshit end of season two.
I didn't mind the BCR in the last season, but there could have been a better explanation for their inclusion now. Perhaps The Resistance moved their forces into the Neutral Territory (as there was a bit of a jump from S3 to S4), leaving a vacuum out west, and now the small number of BCR fighters used that as a chance to rise up and start fighting the Japanese on their own. Honestly, it would have added just like 5 minutes to the first episode, how hard could that have been?
@@JuanWayTrips Even if...in a show it's "show" not "tell". The BCR was a poor idea.
not gonna lie, I was feeling bad for Japan throughout season 4.
Y? These guys are murdering scumbags
RIP Japanese officer who died in the terrorist attack.
k weeb
@@spike339 cry about it
@@teartime592 Get nuked about it weeb
In this alternate reality, what happened to the dreaded Kempetai (the Japanese military police) that had historically kept the occupied territories under iron grip and made any guerrillas keep their head down waiting for outside help?
Corruption from within.
their grip wasn't so iron in real life. in Japanese occupied china, paramilitary and partisan activities never stopped behind Japanese lines, it was actually incredibly frustration for them and they only increased in atrocities in response which only got more and more normal civilians to join these partisan groups. this is half the reason why china alone held down like 75% of the Japanese army for years even while the Japanese had millions of collaborator troops from Manchuria and other occupied areas.
@@mxn1948 Compare the population of Japan to the populations of the occupied territories (Korea, Taiwan, much of Eastern China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Singapore). Maintaining control over such a vast and populous area even if some guerilla activity materialized was nothing short of extraordinary. Compare it to US efforts in Vietnam for instance...
@@VersusARCH Us fought in Vietnam with its hands tied behind its back, ie supplies from china and the soviets was untouched until they were already in vietnam, airbases that had suspected soviet "advisors" were untouchable, and vietnam got up to date weapons in the AKs and Migs. China and the rest of asia at the time had no such luxuries, japan had total naval and air domination, they could and did go after the supply lines of their enemies and no target was really off limits and no one was supplying them well enough with anti-tank and anti air weapons, a japanese armor formation was near untouchable in china(even when its very weak compared to a soviet or german or american armor) simply because china had almost no armor of its own and it lacked anti-tank guns and man potable rocket launchers. japan occupation of asia was extraordinary but not in that they performance extremely well, just that they did so at the only time in history that it come have happened, china was very fragmented and fighting a civil war, the west was in a war of its own, rest of asia had no tech and industrial base compared to japan. pick literally any other time in world history, aside from the late 20s to 45 japan would have gotten nowhere either because china woulda been too strong, or the west would have stopped them(to protect their own interests)
@@mxn1948 US did go after the supply routes even in the neighboring Laos and Cambodia with airstrikes and even commando raids but it was not enough. Airpower alone at that time, and probably even today, can hurt but cannot cut the supply lines, especially of an asymmetric combatant. Sufficient boots on the ground are needed (sorry, commandos). That is one of the reasons Japan went after Burma.
The real US problem in Vietnam was insufficient manpower. Standard US solution to that problem through alliances which provide cannon fodder did not work well enough this time. Additional problem was insufficient willingness to accept losses in personnel (compare to WW2 Japan).
Fear of Chinese intervention (as in the Korean War) or a nuclear exchange was the reason the US did keep SOME gloves on (though less than what you seem to believe), but had it taken them off - the other side would too. Facing NFL, NVA AND additional 2 million Chinese soldiers with regular replacements would have been way worse and more humiliating than historic Vietnam. And in retrospect, with today's Vietnam resisting Chinese influence and actually forming economic and perhaps even some defense ties with the US in order to do so seems to vindicate that approach (compare to North Korea which did host Chinese troops during its war and in which Chinese and Russian influence is far stronger today, IMHO at least in part as a consequence of that).
It almost seems like the navy and army are at odds here. Wasn't that how it was historically?
Oh yes. Very much so!
The army command even wanted to assassinate Admiral Yamamoto because they thought he was "too soft" because he did not want to go to war against the United States, because he had lived there while studying, and KNEW Japan could not win a prolonged war against the United States.
Ironically, the plan he chose to go with was similar to the plan the Confederacy had in the American Civil War, to try and "Shock and Awe" the Union into accepting peace, by winning a lot of victories early.
But both times, the Union suffered through the early defeats, geared into "total war" mode, and grinded their enemies into dust in two years!
The Japanese Navy’s fellow branch/ brother in arms/ mortal enemy the imperial Japanese Army. However there is no way in hell Japan’s leaving after this
Yep. Backstabbing each other till wars end
Yes. The Navy wanted to attack the European Empires much later, after China was defeated and resources secured about the mid 1950s. The Army wanted to take advantage of the Nazi victories in Europe and grab what they wanted from the Allies in Asia. The Japanese like the other countries that allied with the Nazis assumed Hitler would win the war.
This animosity between the two branches of the military continued until the surrender.
Funny Japanese empire had developed nuclear weapons too yet they withdraw from JPS
Not even the nukes the Japanese withdrawing. Extremely unlikely
It was suffering massive casualties in China, if you watched the show you would know. Going to war with Germany is not something the already crippling Japanese empire needed.
in a show about nazis and imperial japan they amazingly made a faction even more racist lol
was obvious during the season they wanted you to like the BCR despite what you pointed out lol.
BCLM ...gnihihihi..
Riiiiight 🙄 The BCR were the REAL racists...
Is this what ya'll have to tell yourselve, so that you can justify dismissing the very REAL atrocities committed by NAZIS in the show?! Like seriously, I cannot believe you'd claim that these rebels are WORSE than Nazis, with a straight face. 🤦🏻♀️😆 LMAOO
@@KabbalahSherry there’s like no good guys in the show, even the BCR are communists lol.
@@KabbalahSherry ah yes because black people cant be racist 🤣
Colonel Kido: ARE YOU BLIND? DEPLOY THE GARRISON!
Guess the japanese thought "damn, maybe we should have committed some ethnical cleansing too"
@Khanrahk the Scarlet Goat (Common sense arc) They could have. But they did not, because they were not monstrous demons.
They need to make a spin off series of this called Tales From the High Castle
We want a state only for black people.................power to the people?
It should go without saying that "power to the people" refers to blacks specifically...
@creapsmantic state means country too
yer there raises as fuck
People as in Homo-sapiens = Black people, not white neanderthals.
Been fighting for 400 years. fighting whoever is in charge but they never in charge.
They've been fighting against reality.
It took italian people like 50 years at most to become as American as apple pie. Blacks have been here since day one they still cant get it right. Jajajaja
@@CozySER That's a result of culture clash, not inability to assimilate.
Knowing the imperial Japanese from history the reprisal to them is not gonna be very good People don’t realize but imperial Japan was actually more brutal than Nazi Germany
@Skooma Cat The reasoning behind the withdrawal is actually very irrational to say the least. If you watched the series, a Japanese MC (Kido) was asked by the princess if they could hold the states, he said absolutely but would cost Japanese lives.
I just wanted to say this because it sounds cool:
*"They sun rises again!"*
yeah. they would have exterminated most of the west coast and all of the BCR on site. Stupid plot twist.
@@whattowatchrightnow you know that china india and australia are rebelling that mean wasting resources on this state will coast a lot
@@lunchingtangpua2415 Securing your main source of oil is not "wasting resources" at the slightest.
I never knew Japanese loudly whisper when they talk to eachother.
Why does RUclips recommend me this right after the Beirut explosion
You watched a video about an explosion. This one also has an explosion in it. Go figure.
The BCR came from nowhere after half the cast was fired. The production decided to go woke, and this season is totally broke compared to the previous seasons
Why was half of the cast fired anyways?
@@herbertvonbismarck8303 some great purge I hear.
wait a minute..
@@herbertvonbismarck8303 Probably started having too much fun writing Nazis as something other than cartoon villains.
@@ajshdhenskaka oh no, humanizing nazis, we cant have that. Quick get the diversity chart
Ruski Bot / i mean yeah, nazis need to be mocked, not humanized. There’s nothing really human about them.
2:05
Nice to see Army and Navy still have petty rivalry
In real life the Japanese saw empire as a way to acquire resources and therefore economic strength. The army itself may have been fanatical about holding onto America but Japanese politicians would have realised that, far from providing economically, America was draining them. There is also the issue of distance between America and Asia. Japan would arguably be a lot safer by consolidating control of Asia and being more compact. Allowing the Reich to have the Western Hemisphere may mean peace between the powers and a harder fight for the Reich if they attack later. I think this is a fairly believable outcome.
BCR autonomous zone right next to all the concentration camps, for easy transport XD
imperial japan in this universe: never surrender, nuke me twice i don’t care
japan in this universe: wait we got bombed by a resistance movement alright boys get your things we are leaving
All Black Army in this show: defeats Super Nazi Reich and Japanese Empire. All Black Army in reality: Operation Eland in Rhodesian War - 84 Selous Scouts vs 5,000 Zimbabwe Liberation Army - Rhodesian Victory - Zimbabwe Casualties: 2,000 Soldiers killed - Rhodesian Scouts Casualties: 4 wounded. Fell for a literal Trojan Horse type operation
True, but Rhodesia Is fallen.
A victory all the same
@@massimilianomencacci2510 fell when the government changed not from necessarily military losses
Still couldn't understand why they are so focused on the JPS oil. I mean Malaya, Borneo and the Dutch East Indies is a place full of oil. Like filthy rich of it and they are in full control of it.
My thoughts exactly. That's the reason why they took those places as quick as they can during the war.
The Japanese would respond to these attacks with slaughterous reprisals the like of which are barely imaginable.
i like the heavy potrayal of the japanese princess in this. it has been a central character
Season 3 jumped the shark, but Season 4 tripped and drowned in a shallow puddle
Thank you for posting these!! Please do Bell’s “If we must die...” speech from the beginning of The Box. IMO it’s the best written monologue of season four.
The storyline of this series went from being believable gradually turning into the biggest load of shit ever. Had much more potential than this nonsense, Japan not retreating from America but fall to their knees after a milita detonate a few bombs
They forshadowed it really early on. Why do you think they kept talking about Vietnam? This was the Tet Offensive.
@@TheRepty818 the Tet offensive was a massive lengthy ground offensive by NVA troops, a few terrorist attacks and crying on the radio isn’t nearly like it. Not to mention it was years after the show takes place in
@@The_Honcho Looks like this season went right over your head. Why do you think they spent so much time on their movement or Childan's speech to Kido about how these people will never give up unless he kills every last one of them. They realized that the Chinese and the Americans would never stop fighting for independence and that trying to hold the land was impossible. It's the story of many revolutions. Americans won the revolutionary war because they made it so costly for the British that they gave up holding the land.
@@TheRepty818 US beat the Tet Offensive tho
@@captainkyperplayz1162 How?
Anybody else thinks its not a coincidence this is in recommended all of a sudden.
Man the BCR is gonna have a bitch of a time cleaning up the oil in SanFran Bay
BCR would've been interesting if it wasn't so rushed. The fact that a parallel universe Black America that is divorced from American ideals that failed them, a parallel world where there is no Civil Rights Movement is intriguing.
The BCR leader had a point. Why would we go back to the American Ideals if they were so easily crushed under the boot of fascism in the last world war? That was the nuance of the scene where Bell was advising them to use the Stars and Stripes. They felt that White America betrayed them. I couldn't blame them for embracing the false hope claimed by Communism.
I would have loved for the series to go longer. Wanted to see the BCR ally themselves with the American Resistance eventually, and all the ideological and racial tensions it comes with working together.
Just look at Seattle or any democrat-run city and there ya go, a "minority" communist illegitimate ethno-state in real life
@@fritzyboi6390 Granting their own state under Marxist utopian ideals will inevitably turn it into a s-hole just like any country touched by this ideology in our timeline.
I disagree. There's two main problems here: 1. it sucks any hope for a resolution out of the series, because there is no "rejection of ideals," all that changes is instead of two, there's now three groups getting in on the ethnic cleansing. Seems like everyone has embraced the nazi ideology and nobody is left to contest it. 2. It is utterly inconsistent with how resistance groups under occupation have typically influenced culture. A real life occupation would have a unifying effect on all oppressed, it always has in every conflict in history. This could be a good source of intrigue. Instead, a hamfisted token plot is wedged in, papering over the real emotional experiences of resistance culture, and being so disconnected from (the viewer's) reality it doesn't even acknowledge genocide as a bad thing anymore as long as the right people are doing it.
Communism literally defeated fascism in our own 20th century world, so it's very symbolic.
@@brisonCAD cause liberal democracies played no role at all? Lend Lease? Strategic Air Campaign?
I thought of two things: it looks like what's going on right now in the US; and never be soft on terrorists.
Tell me the last time some communist terrorist group detonated some bombs on the Navy.
Germany: **keeps sending in more soldiers**
USA: **nukes japan**
Germany: RETREAT!!! RETREAT!!!!
They are fighting for the same thing as the Germans and the Japanese. They are not much different
Not really, maybe you could argue that for the real world timeline. But in this timeline, there Axis unnecessarily conquered the world and went beyond the goal of self preservation which is the goal of the BCR.
@@afroartist1086 Racial nationalism is racial nationalism, no matter what color you put on it.
@Ryan Barnes Racial Nationalism isn't the same thing as Racial Supremacy. One side wants self-determination and the escape of oppression, the other wants ethnic genocide. That's a pretty big difference.
@@afroartist1086 That’s a very clever euphemism for what you are describing lol.
@@afroartist1086 they wanted an ethnostate on the west coast. What happens to everyone not of said ethnicity within that state?
And every intelligence service in the empire was asleep while multiple terrorist strikes were organised and carried out.
The idea of a BCR is ridiculous. Let's be honest they can't even take turns stealing TVs.
@ 0:44 was this guy from Midway 2019?
Yes
I like how this sort of parallels the Tet Offensive, or at least reminds us of it. I wish it was executed a lot better here
Ya know, I think that the BCR just committed a war crime
Tbh the Japanese would've smoked the fuck outta the BCR in real life. They'd probably make Nanking look like a fucking G rated movie made by Disney.
The biggest issue I have with the BCR is that if we look at how to show portrays the way the fight the Japanese, they should not even be a group. How does a group of a small ethnic minority manage to be such a thorn in a massive empire (don’t use the excuse that the empire was spread out because that makes no sense for this alternate history scenario, if you can conquer America then you can control it, by that logic the Reich should be having trouble with its outer territories as well). I could maybe find the BCR existing more believable if they operated in the Neutral zone but no, they operate in the empire itself so how they even exist is just beyond me. If Japan was struggling to deal with the BCR then just go back to reprisals (more specifically black people because I highly doubt that anyone other than the BCR would care too much about if they started to mass murder a small group of people). Japan could also just give them the land that they want and just purge them with no problem so why not just do that instead. Japan also somehow losing to China in this universe makes no sense either, China only had a fighting chance against Japan with the help of foreign aid from the Soviet Union and the US so with those two countries gone they could not take Manchuria or even get supplies ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE PACIFIC OCEAN.
I honestly think the BCR is a good way to reflect certain movements in the 1960s but in order to pull it off correctly you have to have give these guys a proper explanation for there existence and make the characters in the BCR you know “characters” and not cardboard cutouts. I don’t believe “wokeness” killed this show I believe bad writing killed the show, unique ideas with terrible execution that’s all I have to say (I can’t believe I spent this much time evaluating this comment).
this series is amazing
I think the number of targets hit was only half of what scared them, the other half is how coordinated it was...basically not only can we hit you, but we can do so in a HIGHLY organized and targeted fashion
In reality, colonial nations face more violent attacks and didn't leave so easily...
As a french, I can give the example of France
After a terrorist attack in Madagascar (1 000 french died), 50 000 people were killed in retaliation in 1947 (mostly civilians). And we didn't leave (only 13 years later).
Hundreds of thousands people were killed in french colonies.
France was not fascit at all, and less violent than Japan.
Japan would never have left so easily.
@@aloys5961 You also have to keep in mind that in this timeline Japan is fighting a losing war against China on which Manchukuo and Korea have already been lost. So it makes sense to avoid another long drawn out conflict.
@@afroartist1086 And in our timeline the Japanese were losing the war in China, and in the Pacific, and still decided to try and invade India. So the point is kinda moot
@@afroartist1086 Correct. The Japanese were already bled dry holding their Asia assets. How in the world would they be able to occupy West United States? That scene was their version of the Tet Offensive. Many Americans stopped believing Westmoreland's emeny killed statistics were leading to victory after the Tet Offensive.
They all failed out of high school but pulled off this coordinated attack against Japan? Sure!
I like how china is like the only Allied force still alive in this world
i mean it has basicly infinit manpower ------ like 15-20% of world population was chinese
0:36 Isnt that Dr. Abrams from Chicago med?
Some of this series historic oddities. Japan would of had no oil shortage. They took the Dutch East indies. In the US the Dutch company is called Shell Oil. But here there begging the Nazis for oil.
The last season of the show was slapped together to end it.
The Black movement is an interesting plot element but introduced to late in the show . But the idea that they would take over the West Coast is a bit far fetched. There would not be that many Black people outside of LA.
Also people should not get to excited with the word Communist in the series. In this world the former US would see Communist as Allies because the culture would still be stuck in the 1930s and 1940s. No Cold War era . There was a Communist movement in California and the US because of the Great depression, which needless to say showed the failings of Capitalism . Many States today still have laws prohibiting third parties on their ballots .
Overwritten shows always disappoint in the end , too many characters, too many subplots and plots , we have seen this in this shows ending and GOT
also its lost its authenticity in the end i feel. Nothing looked plausible to me in a world where the Third Reich and the Empire of Japan would have won.
While there was a decline in quality for season 4, it still wasn't as bad of a decline as got in the last few seasons. At least the John Smith and Kido arcs made up for an otherwise poor season 4, can't say anything redeeming about the end of GOT.
The black matter resistence....💨💨💨👏👏👏👏👏😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oh, of course they have to bring race into it!
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Why did you put a time stamp on a RUclips comment?
It's kinda hard not to. You'd be ignoring a pretty big part of the world building aspect of this alternate history
This show portrays a world where ethnic cleansing and genocide is normal. The race card was the first one in the fucking deck
Should have given the bcr their "home". Once the bcr are all in one place they are an easy target.
Kinda ironic considering that in the real world, Japan actually at one point planned to ally with and instigate a Black insurgency in America.
Jim Crow would hate this.
I dont think they know how communism works xD
I don't think any communist group truly knows how communism works...
Thats the fact about all communist parties around the world 😑 They just make their own versions of it and and end up corrupt.
Skooma Cat exactly! This is dumb writing.
@@firemangan2731 Keep crying you snowflake. Biden is the president now! 🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂
@@ALeaud ??? Communism is an evil that has led to the deaths of millions. FYI - Biden is no where near being a communist so I am not sure why you cite him.
1:54 Lol somehow I got a kick out of: "Furesno!" California.
We wuz guerrillas n sheit.
The axis powers will fear the true power of the resistance
In reality :
France killed 200 000 people before leaving Indochina
300 000 people before leaving Algeria, (8 years of war)
50 000 people were killed in Madagascar in retaliation of a terrorist attack who killed 1000 french (and we left 13 years later)
And France was not fascist at all.
So Japan would never have done that.
the hell you talking about
@@andreysokolov8974 French history
@@aloys5961 Well Japan's atrocities were larger and barbaric..
@@andreysokolov8974 Yes I know. Of course.
But it is a comparison with the serie.
@@andreysokolov8974 i mean they basicly hand the rest of nort america over to the US Reich and the us reich gives them oil that they need ---- keep in mind that the US had 70% of world production back then most of it came from texas ----- the manpower from the west + US oil should be enough to secure china and siberia
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this is a simple case of you don´t wan´t to many enemys at once
Why's it look like an NAACP Convention?
Nicely done
i love this show just because they use like all the worst forms of government they can. I dont know why but every time i hear "Black Communist Rebellion" it cracks me up it sounds like some shit South Park would come up with.
if this was real world japan, it would be a pure Japanese state everyone else would be wiped out
Not really, they just wouldn't have tolerated black resistance. Frankly no society would tolerate it.
The BCR storyline was the beginning of the end of this series.
Any one ever wonder what happened to Italy in this series
Ships as big as yamori cant be sunk by a few 1$ bombs wtf
majbe not like shown in the show but a good placed bomb can easily put a hole into the ship ---- and it will just sink
Japan:no one cant beat us
Resistance:ima ruin this mans whole career
nah, show got hijacked by SJW agenda
The Japanese retreated because BCR played the race card.
I wish BCR was stomped out of existence.
The previous Oil tanker named Javak once Returned from Quata Mall, nearly 7 times BIGGER !
0:59 subtitles says:
Is that is shxt?
Wasn't me who wrote those :)) it's automatically from yt
I am crazy for this !!!
You have a new friend !!!
🤣 as if they'd ever be that organized.
When the Japanese are more likeable than the resistance, you know you messed-up somewhere along the way as a writer.
Literally the USA rightnow.
Keep crying you snowflake. Biden is the president now! 🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂
@@ALeaud holy shit you sound insecure. Didn't even mention either politician smoothbrain. I sleep with my Beretta next to me and have a large distain towards our government ran by banks and rich politicians.
Yet here you are. "Sticking it to me" with the lame ass snowflake comment. Were you born this insecure or did somebody touch you?
@@jordanjoestar8839 Stop crying. You sound like a huge loser. Sleep with your beretta lol You are a total nutjob. I hope you enjoy your new President Biden :)
@@ALeaud you're the only one whining little guy. Like I said, I have no political affiliation.
@@ALeaud wtf does Biden have to do with this? 😂 you sound like a child
That's Detroit on a Saturday so it fits.
This show got really dumb in this season.
In reality, the Japanese would've turned both the cities and the countryside upside down and shot every black person they saw as a form of revenge and retaliation.
Anime that thinks the BCR was good clearly doesn’t know history or have any sense of knowledge