This can be considered the moment when John and his wife became damned.They both agreed to go on this path... My playlist with Movieclips from The Man in the High Castle: ruclips.net/p/PLn1l0cYsjunr3XjI1VAlm27COwv7ph9Ua
The scary part is that if you replaced these American uniforms with Belgian, French, Danish, or Norwegian ones, this scene automatically becomes historically accurate.
@@mikehulsman4735 Luxemburg and Austria were part of Germany, Slovaks were allies of Germany, Czechs were occupied and the Dutch were collaborating (and would have been annexed eventually)
@@lxi9648 yeah thats that was the point of the comment. Btw luxemburg was not germany. Chechoslowakia was occupied and so was the netherlands. After they were occupied they collaborated. Not before.
Plus, how moral in our modern standards do you think the typical white American in the 40s would be? Plenty would've jumped straight on the white supremacy train.
@@dtommerica765 he also had antisemitic views according to the wiki and the germans respected him so he probably wouldve defected instantly and welcomed
@@thelieutenant7732 He did not say we should side with the Nazis, he thought we should have beat up the Communists first as they were the greater threat, and no matter what the Nazis would have never stood a chance. He respected Rommel... as anyone who studies the man would. Rommel was a good man, and a patriotic one who got caught on the wrong side of history purely by birth. He was in the German military well before the Nazi rise to power, and stayed to fight for his country. Contrary to Democrat propaganda from the time, as Patton was a massive critic of FDR and Truman who were both cowards that sold half of Europe and all of China to genocidal tyrants no better then Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich, he also hated the Nazis.
@@thelieutenant7732 They say that you learn more from your enemies than your allies and it is true that Germany practically invented modern warfare. Even today a lot of the military and tactics are based on the tactics developed by Rommel and Guderian.
Im glad im not the only one who caught this. Its a very deliberate choice the name "John Smith". One of the most common and stereotypically American names you could find. Like you said this could be anyone. ANYONE who says they know 100% how they would choose in this scenario and isnt Jewish, cause thats an easier choice lol, is lying. We all want to believe we'd choose to fight and run, but he doesnt have the benefit of historical context like we do, and its easy to talk about the moral high ground when you arnt listening to the cries of your starving child
Andrew Burke -- Yes, of course we would have turned the lights back on everywhere and we would have made sure that order is restored and everybody has to eat and is sheltered. No decent American would have had anything to worry about. Also there are so many people of German descent in America. Not to mention the many other European nations represented in America's population. We are certainly not Unmenschen. The only thing I myself can not accept as a German is what we did in Eastern Europe.
@@statinskill well Ukrainians and croatia, Hungary, maybe Bulgaria? Anyhow it wasn't a hatred of Slavs, but a war of ideology over communism. Plus the old imperial territory of Germany ala the Poles and the oil fields of Russia.
Scutum Fidelis -- Certainly it was ideological in that there was no way these two power hungry collectivist states could ever coexist over any lengthy period of time, so Hitler essentially judt didn't wait for the inevitable. However the Lebensraum im Osten business was based in the eradication of slavic populations. We should have never ever done that, seeing that we have coexisted with Slavs for a very long time. Instead we should have liberated them from Stalin and made them a part of our system and then we could have had it all.
You literally can't -- I would always err on the side of less gore here when it comes to the truth of what we really did. Less gore does not mean no gore, however.
@@Carpe_Diem_XCIII Black Communist Rebellion Because of no MLK or the end of segregation, a lot of black folks became communists or didn't want to fight for America.
It’s a shame to see people criticizing the show for showing the Nazis winning WW2, I’m just here for the alternate history and because I liked the book.
Yeah i agree but people aren't criticizing the show for its alternate ww2 scenerio. The problem is that it attracted a lot of incel neo nazis that watch the show only for john smith and think he is a good person
I would have really liked to have seen a more drawn out flashback showing some WW2 combat in that universe. Maybe see the Soviets surrender at Leningrad, or the American lines break at Newport Beach.
the part that would be the most interesting one might be the brit actually pretty much all the end, as it actually hapened, did because/thx to brit resistance, without them germany end with only 1 side to fight, the us have no close spot to set up to invade and so on like a giant domino havent read the book/probably should but this part is, to me, more interesting as how they beat th us/russian"
This was one of my favorite scenes of the series. So simple, but this is exactly how I imagine things would play out all across America in the event of a catastrophic defeat to the Nazis in WWII. A handful of men in a room, quietly contemplating their fate, with no good options - suicide, execution, or an attempt at going underground, which also meant near certain death. At that point you can sympathize with John on some level. He clearly made this decision to switch sides to save his family. Not that it excuses what he became, but the fact that he was an ordinary, likable, even heroic family man in a different, saner world does kind of show the circumstances make the man. Truth is, none of us can say for certain how living in that reality would change us.
The same happened to Germany in our reality! The top officials killed themselves, the remaining surrendered unconditionally in a room and were tried and hanged, while the citizens lived under oppression! Every war has a probability of exactly identical but opposite outcomes
You are right. Living in the Neutral Zone is dangerous because there is no law and order and you have to keep on watching behind your shoulder. At least in the Reich, if you cooperate, you will live.
it was a bit different too because these men are living after the shock of being atom bombed, it wasn't merely being afraid of having to face an occupying conventional army that must be supplied across an ocean, it was the fear of what else they have in their arsenal.
@@NYG5 There may have even been a sense of duty to "stick it out" and serve their new country as best they could. Most of the police and local authorities in Western Europe stayed on their jobs when the Nazis occupied their countries. I suspect the same would have happened in the U.S., had it been conquered. Most would have retained their posts, partly for survival, partly from a sense of duty to public service. Maybe soldiers and police forces thought they could act as some sort of moderating influence by continuing to serve in the American Reich, even though it obviously didn't work out that way. Seems like only the most rabidly pro-Berlin Americans like John Smith rose to the top.
peter siano fun fact, the building in the opening shot is actually the WW2 officer’s mess from RCAF Jericho floatplane base, Vancouver Canada. Nowadays it is a hostel.
@@Gillan1220 Yeah! Chelah Horsdal, the actor who plays Helen Smith, posted a short clip on her Twitter (I think) of someone from props cutting up a swastika armband and burning it. It might be uploaded here! :)
Keeping in mind that Eisenhower had established a resistance after the Nazis took over, I can imagine the phrase "I Like Ike" being used as a Resistance motto.
This actually happened (on a more temporary basis) during the first few months of Allied occupation of Germany: many surviving Wermacht soldiers had to be kept in place to help keep order and be assigned administrative duties, including clean-up operations of bombed buildings, during the 'government transition' period. Certainly, medical corps, engineers, military fire service, and so on were vital to help restore some semblance of civilization to a devastated country, eventually being absorbed fully into the Allied armies or discharged. Great Britain also did the same thing by temporarily keeping some Japanese troops in place to ensure law and order - I apologize as I forget the actual place where they did this, although it might have been more than one instance!
It's Indochina that the brits used Japanese troops to help keep the piece. We almost had the communists completely beaten until the french finally sent their own troops (mostly ex pro-nazi french prisoners and former "resistance" fighters with zero training in jungle fighting) and fucked everything up by demanding the brits withdraw.
@@silverletter4551 Imagine a soldier of Napoleon who could have fought under the tricolor standard for 20 years finally taking down his flag in 1815 to raise the white (royal) one.
@Nicolas Lecellier French royalists being forced to raise the Tricolor would be a more apt analogy. Naziism under Hitler had much more in common with The first French Empire under Napoleon than with the Ancient Régime. For that matter imagine White Army Russians being forced to raise the communist banner. . except, of course they were never given that option - Russians who supported the Czar were all liquidated. In any case, ‘History is written by the victors’ so they say. .
@gemmeliusgrammaticus2509 Imagine a Confederate soldier surranding his flag, which he fought hard for 5 years. The pride, hate, and anger he must have felt when handing over it to the Union must have been humiliating.
@@kgkgaming06 Where did I say I supported Nazis? But seeing how hostile you became over criticism of Eisengoldbergsteinhower, I would assume you're probably sympathetic toward Stalin, even after he purged and executed 4 million Jews after WWII.
N75911 I’m not sympathetic to fascists or communists. Sure, the Russians helped us in the war. Yet, they decided it was a good idea to take all of Eastern Europe. My great grand father liberated camps in France and fought in Paris. Where then he was shot in the shoulder and taken back to the States. My uncle protected the west side of Berlin during the Cold War. He saw people get shot all the time on the other side of the wall. I don’t trust Nazis or commies
It's really disappointing how Smith became literally the most important character in the show, he was the most viewed character, but somehow he happened to have a basic ending. I kept expecting him to turn sides at some point. After the coup against Himmler and taking over of North America, I thought that was the golden moment for him to unite the US under one country, peacefully. Him having Bill by his side, who is definitely pro-US, made me believe in that even further. Disappointing.
That would have been nice had there been another season, but since they had to wrap it up so quickly keeping the Hitler parallel was probably the best way to go
SPOILER: This is what would and could have happened in many worlds of infinite number. What was portrayed in the show, John Smith's character was probably a bit more complex than we realized. Like you said, we all accepted that he had to make his way in a dark and dangerous world, meanwhile at the back of his mind - and our minds! - was he hatching a plan to become an insurgent? Was he manipulating and waiting for the right time to strike? In a manner of speaking: yes. But very chilling when we learned of his anti-semitic agenda (from the ledgers in his desk draw). That was the actual twist: over time, reeling from the total defeat of the old United States, being exposed to totalitarianism for years, he'd become a ruthless dictator, capable of murder, and clearly just as bad as Hitler or Himmler. The family side to him was simply that: just one side. In fact, many Nazis from our world seemed as loving, ideal husbands and fathers you see in many households the world over - yet harboured dark thoughts and carried out terrible atrocities. John Smith was no exception to this. Would have loved a fifth season, but what form would that have taken? All those people coming through in the final scene meant civilizations from other worlds/timelines had likewise discovered travel to alternate worlds. It is a multiverse, so definitely many governments would be playing the same science and espionage game as in that one. Still, you'd need to be brave and very cautious when venturing into the darkness of a world dominated by fascism. And they'd hardly tolerate 'tourists' from other worlds, would treat them more as trespassers and dangerous individuals! For me, I think that in itself left a question hanging: how would Reich security forces deal with all these alternate world people coming through? With Bill as successor following John Smith's suicide, would the American Reich be more tolerant (now that it has full autonomy)? And how would cross-timeline tourists affect that particular world? What would be their own reaction to what they see? Similar ideas were explored in Sliders. But for a fifth season to have been possible, they would have changed the story somewhat during the fourth to accommodate your expectations of instead having John side with a pro-US Bill as his close aide. Even so, perhaps one day they might do an 'epilogue' season? I know that Game of Thrones has had a somewhat belated season to finalise the franchise - so anything's possible. Never say never!
Why did you want this fictional alternate reality to be just like our timeline? Why even make a show in an alternate universe if you want it to be identical to history?
@@bradyjeez what do you mean "identical to history" LMAO. How exactly would it be identical to history if smith changed sides and formed the USA? Did "Nazi general leading America, changing sides, backing Americans instead of Germans, and forming the USA" happen in history at some point that i don't know of lol
Everyone always wants to believe if they were in the same position, they’d do the “right and noble thing”, but when the shit hits the fan, most people’s priorities become much more...basic.
It's not so much that people want to do the "right and noble thing". It's either a lack of will that prevents them from doing the "right and noble thing". Or there "right and noble thing" changes by the events in the wider world. In saying that I sympathy with John. He does have a family to protect, but he does have a duty to his Country. For me I would join Eisenhower in the residence.
This scene got me the most. The melting down of the Liberty Bell into a swastika stung. The destruction of the Statue of Liberty was infuriating, but this, the lowering of the Stars and Stripes to be replaced by a Swastika and then more than anything else, John walking away from Daniel and that truck knowing full well where it was going. The Holocaust happening on American soil, that was truly gut wrenching to watch.
@@phantomaviator1318 Except it was impossible for them to win. Unless magically they were given 1000s of pounds of raw resources and more factories to fight with, then they simply couldn't.
One thing you need to know is that in this universe, due to the assassination of FDR, America never recovered from the great depression, thus Americans were already struggling to make a living before the war. The prospect that the Nazis would provide food and employment to the ones who join them would have been very convincing to the desprate people of America.
The US has recovered faster from every recession and depression that we did the Great Depression, with only the 2008 recession being close. The more government gets involved, the longer it take to recover.
@@tomb7088the new deal literally helped millions of Americans get back to work. The great depression was caused because the lack of regulation not because of it 😂
@@comicnerd420The New Deal was a socialist program that together with increased taxes and anti-business policies kept the US in the Depression. The UK slashed corporate tax and interest rates (the opposite of FDR’s strategy) and experienced a booming economy.
The new deal ended the depression and led to the creation of the middle class. Only billionaire psychopaths benefit from the nonsense they filled your brain with. @@tomb7088
I felt as if the last season was rushed as well. It really felt like two seasons merged together. The first half being the Rockwell Hoover drama and the second being die nebenwelt project. The show really needed 6 season minimum.
you did, His Jewish best friend/officer that was in that same room. He was later in the back of a truck begging for smith to free him. Smith looks at the pin, almost pulled it, but he didn't.
My Ex had something like this happen to him. He had a food wagon at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival and now and then he would see a couple of 'Skinheads' - they increased as the days went on, until he saw like, fifty or so, bald-headed, tatted, steel booted biker like dudes and he was soooooo scared. yeah....turns out they were ALL in a play... He still gets rinsed for that, because I told EVERYONE 😂😂😂😂
this whole show was amazing right up till the last couple of episodes, really didn't like how the whole Nazis story arch finished it just felt so rushed....such a shame
I agree. I liked the ending, don't get me wrong. But it definitely felt rushed and I would have liked to have seen at least a little time dedicated to the aftermath of the Nazis defeat. Also I think it would have been kinda interesting to see more of the immediate aftermath of the fall of the US. The early resistance, that sort of stuff.
It was rushed because Amazon canceled the series when season 4 began production. That's why all of sudden we got the Black Marxist Resistance in the Japanese territory even though they were never mentioned in prior seasons, the Japanese sudden departure, etc. The producers tried to jam as much into the season as possible. The show could have lasted another two or three seasons if Amazon had given it a chance.
They'd have to clean up a lot of mess for a sequel taken place near the events of the end of this show. More loose ends and plot holes than just about any series I've watched.
The nearest sequel might be the ' star trek , ' Terran empire ' from the ' enterprise era set in the 2063-2156 era , the credits were altered to show the axis win, and in turn , their flag altered, with a sword through the earth. Their uniform in the later Trek series harkens in similarity to the US Nazi uniforms seen here , I know they are seperate shows , but they kind of gave an idea that the axis win, if remained unchallenged, eventually took them to space, especially as the ' Terran ' ideal ' was that ' alien ' species were not ' pure , not human enough. This subject was touched on in how even in the ' normal universe ', into the 22nd century that same mindset existed and it's existence grew Into a threat to a new alliance of world's . Some strong story lines in that and messages n, again that in society the darkness is never far away. The battle for the light of liberty has never truly ended
@@misinformation_spreader777 agreed. I believe that a prequel would have to have deep ties to the Poconos worm hole (and other worm holes that were probably destroyed earlier) and the deranged state of Hitler at the end of season 1. Seeing him watch those films was like seeing him acknowledge a loud and descriptive voice telling him that he didn’t win the war. That an alternate universe (our universe) was more realistic and more true than the one he was living in and it reached out to him (in the form of these movies made by Abdensen) and it reminded him that he cheated which ultimately led to the state we see him in when John Smith finally is invited to his private quarters. There was this movie made in the 90s that showed this German pilot in the present day was able to time warp an advanced stealth bomber, equipped with a nuclear warhead, back to Nazi Germany in the 40s. He was able to help Nazi Germany win the war by also dropping a nuke over a Washington DC. I feel that Hitler, in this universe, possibly achieved a similar result or had someone, like this pilot in this other movie and was able to “fix” the chain of events that ultimately led to the Reich achieving world domination with Japan.
Patton knew that communism could never co-exist with the west. He wanted to re-arm the defeated Germans and have them help the Allies take out the Soviets. This is also what Claus von Stauffenburg and the German officers who tried to assassinate Hitler in 1944 had envisioned. If only they hadn't moved that bomb in the suitcase to the end of the table...
@David Jones horseshit. Ol' Patton wouldn't say that kind of shit in his worse nightmare. He fought the Germans, he knew Hitler wouldn't stop until this scene became a reality, there ain't no respect for the enemy until they surrender, period. We fought the right enemy at the right time, because if it wasn't them it would be us.
@@markvetter6330 the younger generations are currently in a fight against the fascist tendencies of the boomer's preferred political party, including ongoing efforts to fight the literal SS stand-in that is ICE. Not sure if you noticed the number of people PISSED about dumbfucks rubbing shit on the walls of our government.
In Nazi zombies movie Dead Snow, Standartenfuhrer Herzog and his men became zombies after the war and attacked the students in 2009. So that means, lets say Herzog exist, in this High Castle timeline, Herzog remains a human being.
@@cowert10300 Maryland would definitely be an apt location for such a movie! Especially in some of the more isolated parts; could also have movies from the Japanese perspective of Zombie-hordes coming from the rocky mountains or undead marines raised by a vengeful MacArthur in the jungles of the philipines and pacific islands. So much potential for cool ideas in "the Man in the high castles" setting!
(Note: I have never read or *FULLY* watch the show Man In The High Castle. The reason I know even the fraction of this is because I watched videos, and movie chips like this) For anyone wondering why America lost to the Germans. In the Man In The High Castle's (MITHC) timeline FDR is assassinated in 1933. The Great Depression continues on in America with every President being increasingly isolationist then the last. When WW2 breaks out in Europe, America is wholly unprepared, and do to the isolationism in the Government. Britain still won the Battle of Britain but lost most of her expected Pliots, and Planes. North Africa still goes the same way. But eventually the British loses control of Egypt, and the Middle-East. In the Soviet Union, Germany still gets frozen by the Russian winter. Without British, and American lend-lease the Soviet Union is forced to use Infantry in increasy larger numbers. Which lead to massive Manpower shortages, and eventually the Soviet Union disintegrates into warlord states. In Aisa, Japan still invades China in 1937 which still goes the same. Japan bombs Pearl Harbor. The US being wholly unprepared, is completely caught with it's pants down. Basically, the Pacific War is a one sided slaughter. Without the US Pacific Fleet Japan Invades New Zealand, and Australia. Japan does invaded Hawaii but the US retakes it. And there is a rally in the US for a while. The invasion of the US begins in 1944 when the Germans landed at Virginia Beach. At first the US held the Germans at the Beach heads, but the German technology advanced wins the day, and forces the US back. On December 11 1944 Washington D.C. is nuked shattering any hope for the US to come back. Japan eventually invades California, and the West Coast. This father pushs the US Government to surrender, which it does in 1946. This is why the MITHC is a Cold War between the Greater German Reich, and Greater Japanese Empire. Japan is the weakest, and do to the war, has the lest amount of man power, and is dealing with a open Chinese Rebellion, possibly lead by Chiang-Kai-Shek, and Mao Zedong. Germany on the other hand is stronger, has more man power, but is dealing with a power struggle. Hitler is on his death bed, and those around him are not sure what to do. Same want to wipe Japan off the map, but others want to continue the Cold War. Also the youth of the Nation are showing signs of Rebellion, and rejection of the Reichs propaganda. Most of the World are split in two with a 'Natural Zone' in between the German Reich, and Japanese Empire. The Natural Zone is mostly a lawless place, with little pockets having same form of order. Fellowing America's defeat Eisenhower, (and I assume Douglas McArthur) formed a resistance against the German and Japanese, determined to free America from there rule. The American Resistance is like the Veit-Cong in our timeline. Gorilla style attacks on Nazi, and Japanese leadership, lone wolf attacks, and the occasional sabotaging of High end Military equipment. MITHC mostly takes place in America with little to no reference to the War.
Great read, thank you! The course of these events sounds far more interesting than the Wolfenstein'esque scenario I believed it to be. Kind of disappointing to read the last part, but gotta keep expectations realistic. Multiple plot lines across the globe with one season per perspective would fit kinda well
I think nuking DC was an error. They nuked their eventual ability to coordinate further their taking over of the USA, given this would also nuke other countries embassies too. In my opinion, nuking NYC would be best, like the Wolfenstein series. It would send a clear message like Nagasaki.
@@LordFata You're most welcome! It's a shame that the book nor show expand on the World view point. Like maybe, what's happening with the rest of the Reich or Japanese Empire. The show does show Berlin in this hypocritical sanario. But I feel it was rushed in several seasons and could have been better then what it was.
I live in Vancouver BC where 'The man in the High Castle was filmed. 0:17 is at what used to be a psychiatric hospital called "Riverview". it was built in 1913 and closed in 2012. it's basically a movie set now. They are always filming there. Other shows that have filmed there; Dead Pool 2, Riverdale, Watchmen, The A Team, Halloween Resurrection. and many more.
@@not_noah69 A lot of the old buildings have been pretty well maintained considering they were built in the 1900's, and the grounds is massive. I drive a city bus for work, and have driven past the buildings at 0:18 lots of times.
In the face of absolute defeat and annihilation of one’s country and people, either a soldier’s loyalty is shown to his country, or his betrayal. Only absolute defeat and annihilation can reveal a soldier’s true motives and where his loyalty lies, to his country, his family, his comrades, or himself.
i love this whole series from beginning to end. and the ending had a twist and doesnt go with the usual "heroes journey". that's what made it so refreshing! LOVE this whole show. despite what some people say about last episodes
We`ve seen things you and I , Other worlds , Other lives . We have that in common , its unbearable to be able to look through that door and glimpse all the people you could have been . And to know that out of all of them THIS IS THE ONE THAT YOU BECAME !! John smith best quote ever 👌
Seeing *that* armband on *that* uniform is tantamount to sacrilege, and that's what makes this sequence so horrifying. No gunshots, no gore, no screaming, just silence as people discover who they truly are in the face of a life-or-death ultimatum. Easily one of the most poignant moments this show produced.
For all the people who are crying over the line "Patton shook hands with Goering" just remember that Patton in real life said "We fought the wrong enemy" in reference to World War 2. He'd probably have no problem shaking any of their hands if WW2 had gone a different way.
If WWII had gone a different way it would be ruled from Berlin by White men rather than being ruled from Brussels ny jews. And would very likely not be on the verge of utter disappearance in a sea of third world trash.
@@michellepeoplelikeyoumurde8373 its easy to say that when you have nothing to lose. if it came down to my priniciples or making sure my daught has food in her belly and a roof over her head, i know which id choose. because i have a lot to lose.
This just proves how scummy patton really was, the nazis were evil as hell far worse than the soviets, destroying the nazis was essential the fact that you are willing to ignore their evil proves that you are worthless neo nazi trash only fit for the gulag
@@weasle2904 Yeah right, because they had the same "Herrenvolk" attitude like the Germans. They thought their pure bloodline was superior to all non white people. (Irony off) I can't believe it...🤦
LOVE the show, but highly disappointed with the last season and ending. One thing I disagree with in this clip is Old Blood & Guts General Patton surrendering. Sorry, but Patton was the type that wouldn't have given up the fight that easily and would have headed to the hills with Eisenhower and gone guerrilla and fought till the end. -among the many other flaws and plot holes of Season 4.
Just watching this scene makes me grimace and my Lord.. the relief in knowing it’s only a tv show, especially as someone with several WW2 vets in her family
Maybe it ain't so bad, Anglo Saxons were considered as Aryans by the Germans and if this was a reality, the Americans would be too tired to continue even further, it would be the right decision to submit to the Germans who have been already taken out whole Europe.
@@Atajew the thing is, my family were Freemasons at the time so it didn’t matter one hoot what we were racially, plus the fact I’m Catholic and even if Hitler was born into the Church he hated Roman Catholics with a passion (look up Maximilian Kolbe, a Catholic Saint who died in a concentration camp) and I’m physically and mentally disabled, according to the Nazis, a useless eater
@@Atajew The Nazis wouldn't give two hoots about me even if I am White, I'm Catholic (they hated Catholics, famously killing two Catholic Saints) disabled (see T4, the start of the gas chambers, where they wiped out the people they deemed unworthy of life) which makes me a useless eater and a descendant of a family whose male population is dominated by Freemasons who the Nazis banned and killed, my original comment still stands, I'm relieved the Axis did NOT win
@@Atajew like Wolfenstein shown a bit if you forgot some part the US will have probably have not that much change America in the 1940" was not that friendly the most impacted will be the Jewish population and the afro American
There is one thing wrong with this scene, and it’s that is like the only time I hear Göring being mentioned and Erwin Rommel is mentioned as a “Reichsmarschall” which was a rank that was exclusively made for Göring who was also in line as successor as Fuhrer.
@@stephenembry4038 Putin has stated on RT it's impossible to invade America. They'd have to start with Alaska and work it's way to the mainland and by the time the foot soldiers fought that far their numbers would've been cut down to a third of what they started with. The only way to beat America without nuclear war is to collapse our economy and set us against each other. Which they've been doing masterfully so far. We are dumb enough to destroy ourselves and they've proven it.
I can't see Patton ever shaking hands with Goering. They should've switched it around and had Goering accept the adulation (Lord knows he loved attention) and had Rommel shake hands with Patton. Would've made it far more believable.
@@Bodya_14_words dude are you some kind of racist they also killed people with disabilities and a Jews and Jehovah's Witnesses and many more people how do you side with them
@@thermslusitania1151 cause there were no feminists hating on men,no illegal immigration from the middle East that time. There was no antifa scum attacking innocent passers by back then so yes I like that ! 👍
I reminded of an episode of Star Trek where two captains were talking one of them very high on protocol and the rule book The other with a ship full of starving crewman. "It's easy to cling to principles when you have a fully functional ship and a crew not starving to death"
I think that there could be a scene like this in a live action Star Wars show taking place right after Revenge of the Sith and the end of the clone wars. It could be on a planet where the population was loyal to the Separatist Alliance and the Empire is taking over. Then the main character who fought for the Separatist cause decides to join the Empire in a scene like this. That would be cool!
Scenes like this actually did happen in Poland and France and other occupied places. In fact they happen whenever a place is taken over by another. many do change allegiances.
It's like the guy who takes a supervisor position at Walmart to feed his family and then like 15 years later he's the store manager that writes everyone up.
It’s amazing what they did with this scene, like the whole world hung in the balance of what a few brave men did or didn’t do, but you realize that most all of the brave men submitted, based on what they heard over the radio, all at once, because they were told they had no hope.
One of the great fears was that we never really knew the real strength of the Luftwaffe or the Kriegsmarine. The Luftwaffe lacked long-range heavy bombers that could cross the oceans, and the Kriegsmarine was not going to get a single aircraft carrier till 1945. The B-36 bomber was in development for the main reason and that was if we had to fight against Germany and Japan from our own shores.
What difference would that have made? The germans didn't have the oil or pilots to fly those planes, and the kriegsmarine was a joke. Even if the Amerikabomber project had happened, it would've just used up even more precious resources the Germans didn't have to what, bomb 0.0001% of the US' total industry just for the bombers to get shot down?
@@MartinZanichelli If you where alive in 1965 you would be saying the same kind of things about MLK and anti Vietnam war protestors. Despite history vindicating both in the end. I don’t like Biden,hell I hate his milktoast neoliberal guts for what he’s done to the people of this country. I’d even argue that he’s currently just as shit as the man he’s replaced. But our descendants will not look kindly upon how we have both treated our fellow human beings and the world we live in by us deflecting to a mythical past.
John Smith it's a unique character among the other leaders in the serie in topics as wisdom, respect, love, loyalty and excellent to collaborate with others colleagues and perceive what others leaders can't see.
I like how the swastika changes its orientation when they go from the tight shot to the wide shot. It's the wrong way up on the tight shot but then corrected when it goes to the view of the soldiers standing beneath.
This can be considered the moment when John and his wife became damned.They both agreed to go on this path...
My playlist with Movieclips from The Man in the High Castle:
ruclips.net/p/PLn1l0cYsjunr3XjI1VAlm27COwv7ph9Ua
I liked the ending. A lot of it is open to interpretation and didnt wrap everything up in a bow.
Ballsy move
Well, what other path could they choose? No way out.
God made Thomas "defective" in the eyes of the Reich to punish John and Helen for their pact with the Devil.
@@patrickmccolloch3005 Someone read the bibble a bit too much white been drunk
No food. But plenty. Of tobacco and booze.
Steiner's counterattack really outdid itself.
His 60,000~ men thwacked the Soviets to Moscow in 6 days flat, followed by a 3,000-mile paddle from Normandy to new york xD
Lol, this comment is criminally underrated
And the pencils of doom...
*"Wake up Mein Fuhrer you are having a dream we are being encircled by the Soviets outside of Berlin"*
Wir alle sind Steiner
The scary part is that if you replaced these American uniforms with Belgian, French, Danish, or Norwegian ones, this scene automatically becomes historically accurate.
Dutch, czech, slowak, austrian, luxumbourgish.
@@mikehulsman4735 Czechs and Nazi never fought side by side. And unlike the others they never had the own national SS unit.
@@PostmanCZ chechz did fight. They where forced though. Idk if they had volunteers
@@mikehulsman4735 Luxemburg and Austria were part of Germany, Slovaks were allies of Germany, Czechs were occupied and the Dutch were collaborating (and would have been annexed eventually)
@@lxi9648 yeah thats that was the point of the comment. Btw luxemburg was not germany. Chechoslowakia was occupied and so was the netherlands. After they were occupied they collaborated. Not before.
I can easily imagine John Smith being leader of resistance in different universe. Infinite realities means infinite fates.
Imagine himself.seeimg himself as a resistance but i wonder with what material did they build helicopters
John Smith is the perfect pseudonym, it's AMERICAN
@@teslashark Yeah, it's like German resistance leader was called Helmut Schmidt or British one John Bull :D
If he didnt have a family I could picture that.
@@daustin8888 Yeah, let's say his wife dies pregnant during nuclear strike. Germans now created their worst enemy. :)
This scene is so deep and truthful. The rank and file doesn’t care about ideology or political party when you’re starving.
It was a necessary thing to become one of them in order to protect his family
Plus, how moral in our modern standards do you think the typical white American in the 40s would be? Plenty would've jumped straight on the white supremacy train.
@@joshkirby2372 True
@James Garcia Tell me name just one single confirmed neo-nazi group or paper that has said they endorse the Democratic party
@@joshkirby2372 Seems in reality a good number of them are buried or lost across Europe destroying it...
“Patton shook hands with Goering” it’s eerie just to imagine it
Patton was murdered.
Patton hated the Russians so much the Nazis would have put him use ASAP
@@dtommerica765 he also had antisemitic views according to the wiki and the germans respected him so he probably wouldve defected instantly and welcomed
@@Gimmegames4free6942 I don’t know if that’s true but that could have 3-4 shows alone.
@@dtommerica765 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton#Antisemitic_views
In this same scene they said the Eisenhower was organizing a resistance in the Midwest
Good for him
@@aaronrosby7748 would you expect anything less
@@aaronrosby7748 don't you mean Mitchell "Duke" Morrison?
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH
Yes but Patton joined - anyone supprised ?
I'm not even an American but the phrase "Patton shook hands with Goering" just sounds scary man.
Yeah he was a bit of a fan of Rommel and I believe at some point he said we should’ve sided with the Nazis to fight the true threat of Communism
God Bless Patton and his cute bull terrier doggo
@Obi-Wan Kenobi Based Master Kenobi
@@thelieutenant7732 He did not say we should side with the Nazis, he thought we should have beat up the Communists first as they were the greater threat, and no matter what the Nazis would have never stood a chance.
He respected Rommel... as anyone who studies the man would. Rommel was a good man, and a patriotic one who got caught on the wrong side of history purely by birth. He was in the German military well before the Nazi rise to power, and stayed to fight for his country.
Contrary to Democrat propaganda from the time, as Patton was a massive critic of FDR and Truman who were both cowards that sold half of Europe and all of China to genocidal tyrants no better then Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich, he also hated the Nazis.
@@thelieutenant7732 They say that you learn more from your enemies than your allies and it is true that Germany practically invented modern warfare. Even today a lot of the military and tactics are based on the tactics developed by Rommel and Guderian.
When you play hoi4 on the nasa computer and a month later this happens
Not everytime. There are examples throughout history...
@@Generalfund r/woooosh
Not even a NASA computer can run late game HoI 4.
hold up.. wait a minute...
@Akhyar Khairansyah i allways play games like HOI4 as Germany
One of the most horrifying things is the name, “John Smith”. It represents that anyone could do such things
Im glad im not the only one who caught this. Its a very deliberate choice the name "John Smith". One of the most common and stereotypically American names you could find. Like you said this could be anyone. ANYONE who says they know 100% how they would choose in this scenario and isnt Jewish, cause thats an easier choice lol, is lying. We all want to believe we'd choose to fight and run, but he doesnt have the benefit of historical context like we do, and its easy to talk about the moral high ground when you arnt listening to the cries of your starving child
Derek Beyer you mean the most stereotypical anglo-Saxon name on the planet. It’s not American, it from Britain
Obviously not John's jewish friend. He couldn't do such things
Wow, Takal! Where did you learn this?! Fifth grade literature lesson!?
NO SHIT SHERLOCK
Reminds me of the book ordinary men.
Haven't read it, but it's related to this.
Maybe them Germans will turn the damned lights back on. I can’t see a thing.
Andrew Burke -- Yes, of course we would have turned the lights back on everywhere and we would have made sure that order is restored and everybody has to eat and is sheltered. No decent American would have had anything to worry about. Also there are so many people of German descent in America. Not to mention the many other European nations represented in America's population. We are certainly not Unmenschen.
The only thing I myself can not accept as a German is what we did in Eastern Europe.
@@statinskill well Ukrainians and croatia, Hungary, maybe Bulgaria? Anyhow it wasn't a hatred of Slavs, but a war of ideology over communism. Plus the old imperial territory of Germany ala the Poles and the oil fields of Russia.
Scutum Fidelis -- Certainly it was ideological in that there was no way these two power hungry collectivist states could ever coexist over any lengthy period of time, so Hitler essentially judt didn't wait for the inevitable. However the Lebensraum im Osten business was based in the eradication of slavic populations. We should have never ever done that, seeing that we have coexisted with Slavs for a very long time. Instead we should have liberated them from Stalin and made them a part of our system and then we could have had it all.
@@statinskill Was it eradication or was it removal from the area i.e wanted them out? I hear stories from both sides and it's quite conflicting.
You literally can't -- I would always err on the side of less gore here when it comes to the truth of what we really did. Less gore does not mean no gore, however.
Should have just focused the entire story on John tbh.
Elijah T. I’d take that over some forced BCR bullshit
@Nessent yeah, the whole BCR storyline was boring and led to no where
I was so tempted to just skip over the scenes in San Francisco. In retrospect, I wish I had.
prodigy 1691 what’s BCR?
@@Carpe_Diem_XCIII
Black Communist Rebellion
Because of no MLK or the end of segregation, a lot of black folks became communists or didn't want to fight for America.
It’s a shame to see people criticizing the show for showing the Nazis winning WW2, I’m just here for the alternate history and because I liked the book.
Yeah i agree but people aren't criticizing the show for its alternate ww2 scenerio. The problem is that it attracted a lot of incel neo nazis that watch the show only for john smith and think he is a good person
@@Spongebrain97 well they can if they want to...
You are here because you're nazi. In another world you could be someone to respect, I'm sorry for you
@@xute89 salute blm or they'll burn and beat you into submission yeah I see what's going on nowadays no different to back then
@Shahid Khan Bruh the imperial flag has NOTHING to do with the nazis.
None of this is easy, but this is what's Reich.
I'll see myself out
I did Nazi that one coming!
I DID NAZ-
oh. someone beat me to it.
Jew thought I wouldn't notice your pun 😉
Reich means empire in german.
@@thehighscalls Yes, we know. That is the joke.
I would have really liked to have seen a more drawn out flashback showing some WW2 combat in that universe. Maybe see the Soviets surrender at Leningrad, or the American lines break at Newport Beach.
Maybe a prequel
The Japanese landed at Newport Beach?
@@RedWolf75 the germans
the part that would be the most interesting one might be the brit actually
pretty much all the end, as it actually hapened, did because/thx to brit resistance, without them germany end with only 1 side to fight, the us have no close spot to set up to invade and so on like a giant domino
havent read the book/probably should but this part is, to me, more interesting as how they beat th us/russian"
They could have done this through the medium of old cine footage from that world, using a little CGI magic from this one.
This was one of my favorite scenes of the series. So simple, but this is exactly how I imagine things would play out all across America in the event of a catastrophic defeat to the Nazis in WWII. A handful of men in a room, quietly contemplating their fate, with no good options - suicide, execution, or an attempt at going underground, which also meant near certain death. At that point you can sympathize with John on some level. He clearly made this decision to switch sides to save his family. Not that it excuses what he became, but the fact that he was an ordinary, likable, even heroic family man in a different, saner world does kind of show the circumstances make the man. Truth is, none of us can say for certain how living in that reality would change us.
The same happened to Germany in our reality! The top officials killed themselves, the remaining surrendered unconditionally in a room and were tried and hanged, while the citizens lived under oppression! Every war has a probability of exactly identical but opposite outcomes
You are right. Living in the Neutral Zone is dangerous because there is no law and order and you have to keep on watching behind your shoulder. At least in the Reich, if you cooperate, you will live.
@@HelghastStalker -that's one Catch-22 among many to this scenario.
it was a bit different too because these men are living after the shock of being atom bombed, it wasn't merely being afraid of having to face an occupying conventional army that must be supplied across an ocean, it was the fear of what else they have in their arsenal.
@@NYG5 There may have even been a sense of duty to "stick it out" and serve their new country as best they could. Most of the police and local authorities in Western Europe stayed on their jobs when the Nazis occupied their countries. I suspect the same would have happened in the U.S., had it been conquered. Most would have retained their posts, partly for survival, partly from a sense of duty to public service. Maybe soldiers and police forces thought they could act as some sort of moderating influence by continuing to serve in the American Reich, even though it obviously didn't work out that way. Seems like only the most rabidly pro-Berlin Americans like John Smith rose to the top.
Living 10 minutes from fort Monmouth even though it’s closed now still has me shook seeing it in this show
peter siano fun fact, the building in the opening shot is actually the WW2 officer’s mess from RCAF Jericho floatplane base, Vancouver Canada. Nowadays it is a hostel.
Same here. It's a pity that they didn't film that shot at either the real HQ or, at least, over in the Evans area.
Erik Butterfield I live in Vancouver and was wondering where they shot it! I thought it was a student building at UBC. Thanks for sharing!
@@marioescalante4401 I read the props had to be destroyed after this season
@@Gillan1220 Yeah! Chelah Horsdal, the actor who plays Helen Smith, posted a short clip on her Twitter (I think) of someone from props cutting up a swastika armband and burning it. It might be uploaded here! :)
Keeping in mind that Eisenhower had established a resistance after the Nazis took over, I can imagine the phrase "I Like Ike" being used as a Resistance motto.
“I like Ike”
I can imagine they chuckled a bit by the sound of it lol
This actually happened (on a more temporary basis) during the first few months of Allied occupation of Germany: many surviving Wermacht soldiers had to be kept in place to help keep order and be assigned administrative duties, including clean-up operations of bombed buildings, during the 'government transition' period. Certainly, medical corps, engineers, military fire service, and so on were vital to help restore some semblance of civilization to a devastated country, eventually being absorbed fully into the Allied armies or discharged. Great Britain also did the same thing by temporarily keeping some Japanese troops in place to ensure law and order - I apologize as I forget the actual place where they did this, although it might have been more than one instance!
UchronianKing It happened in Indonesia.
They were also brought here...Google Operation Paperclip
And Indochina.
It's Indochina that the brits used Japanese troops to help keep the piece. We almost had the communists completely beaten until the french finally sent their own troops (mostly ex pro-nazi french prisoners and former "resistance" fighters with zero training in jungle fighting) and fucked everything up by demanding the brits withdraw.
Truman also kept the Japanese in Manchuria for a time, to keep the communists at bay.
I can't even fathom the feeling of strife and sadness that those men must have felt taking down their countries flag to raise that of another
I don't think that has ever happened in history, but correct me if I'm wrong.
@@silverletter4551 Imagine a soldier of Napoleon who could have fought under the tricolor standard for 20 years finally taking down his flag in 1815 to raise the white (royal) one.
@Nicolas Lecellier French royalists being forced to raise the Tricolor would be a more apt analogy. Naziism under Hitler had much more in common with The first French Empire under Napoleon than with the Ancient Régime.
For that matter imagine White Army Russians being forced to raise the communist banner. . except, of course they were never given that option - Russians who supported the Czar were all liquidated. In any case, ‘History is written by the victors’ so they say. .
Same feeling all men of defeated nations feel when doing it.
@gemmeliusgrammaticus2509 Imagine a Confederate soldier surranding his flag, which he fought hard for 5 years. The pride, hate, and anger he must have felt when handing over it to the Union must have been humiliating.
Eisenhower fighting the Nazis in the resistance!? My kind of leader!
@@N75911_ in our universe, you lost.
@@FedoReds88
We all lost. More than you will ever know.
@@kgkgaming06
Where did I say I supported Nazis?
But seeing how hostile you became over criticism of Eisengoldbergsteinhower, I would assume you're probably sympathetic toward Stalin, even after he purged and executed 4 million Jews after WWII.
N75911 I’m not sympathetic to fascists or communists. Sure, the Russians helped us in the war. Yet, they decided it was a good idea to take all of Eastern Europe. My great grand father liberated camps in France and fought in Paris. Where then he was shot in the shoulder and taken back to the States. My uncle protected the west side of Berlin during the Cold War. He saw people get shot all the time on the other side of the wall. I don’t trust Nazis or commies
Federico Rossi amen to that!
It's really disappointing how Smith became literally the most important character in the show, he was the most viewed character, but somehow he happened to have a basic ending. I kept expecting him to turn sides at some point. After the coup against Himmler and taking over of North America, I thought that was the golden moment for him to unite the US under one country, peacefully. Him having Bill by his side, who is definitely pro-US, made me believe in that even further. Disappointing.
That would have been nice had there been another season, but since they had to wrap it up so quickly keeping the Hitler parallel was probably the best way to go
SPOILER: This is what would and could have happened in many worlds of infinite number. What was portrayed in the show, John Smith's character was probably a bit more complex than we realized. Like you said, we all accepted that he had to make his way in a dark and dangerous world, meanwhile at the back of his mind - and our minds! - was he hatching a plan to become an insurgent? Was he manipulating and waiting for the right time to strike? In a manner of speaking: yes. But very chilling when we learned of his anti-semitic agenda (from the ledgers in his desk draw). That was the actual twist: over time, reeling from the total defeat of the old United States, being exposed to totalitarianism for years, he'd become a ruthless dictator, capable of murder, and clearly just as bad as Hitler or Himmler. The family side to him was simply that: just one side. In fact, many Nazis from our world seemed as loving, ideal husbands and fathers you see in many households the world over - yet harboured dark thoughts and carried out terrible atrocities. John Smith was no exception to this. Would have loved a fifth season, but what form would that have taken? All those people coming through in the final scene meant civilizations from other worlds/timelines had likewise discovered travel to alternate worlds. It is a multiverse, so definitely many governments would be playing the same science and espionage game as in that one. Still, you'd need to be brave and very cautious when venturing into the darkness of a world dominated by fascism. And they'd hardly tolerate 'tourists' from other worlds, would treat them more as trespassers and dangerous individuals! For me, I think that in itself left a question hanging: how would Reich security forces deal with all these alternate world people coming through? With Bill as successor following John Smith's suicide, would the American Reich be more tolerant (now that it has full autonomy)? And how would cross-timeline tourists affect that particular world? What would be their own reaction to what they see? Similar ideas were explored in Sliders. But for a fifth season to have been possible, they would have changed the story somewhat during the fourth to accommodate your expectations of instead having John side with a pro-US Bill as his close aide. Even so, perhaps one day they might do an 'epilogue' season? I know that Game of Thrones has had a somewhat belated season to finalise the franchise - so anything's possible. Never say never!
Why did you want this fictional alternate reality to be just like our timeline? Why even make a show in an alternate universe if you want it to be identical to history?
@@bradyjeez what do you mean "identical to history" LMAO. How exactly would it be identical to history if smith changed sides and formed the USA? Did "Nazi general leading America, changing sides, backing Americans instead of Germans, and forming the USA" happen in history at some point that i don't know of lol
The only part I liked about the ending was him not becoming good. It shows the true corruption of power, especially in a character like smith
Everyone always wants to believe if they were in the same position, they’d do the “right and noble thing”, but when the shit hits the fan, most people’s priorities become much more...basic.
Implying he didn't do the right thing.
It's not so much that people want to do the "right and noble thing". It's either a lack of will that prevents them from doing the "right and noble thing". Or there "right and noble thing" changes by the events in the wider world.
In saying that I sympathy with John. He does have a family to protect, but he does have a duty to his Country. For me I would join Eisenhower in the residence.
@@professionalantichristhate528 >NAZBOL
Opinion immediately discredited.
This scene got me the most. The melting down of the Liberty Bell into a swastika stung. The destruction of the Statue of Liberty was infuriating, but this, the lowering of the Stars and Stripes to be replaced by a Swastika and then more than anything else, John walking away from Daniel and that truck knowing full well where it was going. The Holocaust happening on American soil, that was truly gut wrenching to watch.
good thing that it's simply impossible for any of this to had happen
@@coh2conscript851 Don't say never. Don't say anything is impossible. The day you underestimate is the day it will happen.
@@phantomaviator1318 Except it was impossible for them to win. Unless magically they were given 1000s of pounds of raw resources and more factories to fight with, then they simply couldn't.
@@coh2conscript851 No no, the way you said it made it sound like it couldn't hapoen _now_
People are very easily swayed.
@@phantomaviator1318 Yeah, it couldn't happen.
One thing you need to know is that in this universe, due to the assassination of FDR, America never recovered from the great depression, thus Americans were already struggling to make a living before the war. The prospect that the Nazis would provide food and employment to the ones who join them would have been very convincing to the desprate people of America.
The US has recovered faster from every recession and depression that we did the Great Depression, with only the 2008 recession being close.
The more government gets involved, the longer it take to recover.
@@tomb7088the new deal literally helped millions of Americans get back to work. The great depression was caused because the lack of regulation not because of it 😂
@@comicnerd420The New Deal was a socialist program that together with increased taxes and anti-business policies kept the US in the Depression. The UK slashed corporate tax and interest rates (the opposite of FDR’s strategy) and experienced a booming economy.
Dony forget the US racist ideology
The new deal ended the depression and led to the creation of the middle class. Only billionaire psychopaths benefit from the nonsense they filled your brain with. @@tomb7088
Such a shame they rushed this season
It really shit the bed
I felt as if the last season was rushed as well. It really felt like two seasons merged together. The first half being the Rockwell Hoover drama and the second being die nebenwelt project. The show really needed 6 season minimum.
@@davidwright8371 It was HORRIBLE. How could a show this good fall so far down the drain? So disappointing.
Yeah it was a real TRAIN WRECK... GET IT!?
But seriously wow they fucking blew it
Agreed. They left 2 more seasons worth of material literally on the table.
On Memorial Day let’s remember the brave sacrifice of so many young boys that this didn’t happen
Yeah so our country could spread the message of gay sex and blm to the world. Amazing!
@@user-fn5xg7qt7u lol
If they saw usa today they'd have supported germany
Bet you if you told them what america would be In 2021 they would have fought against their government
Yeah. Give your life so your grandchildren and great grandchildren can get guilt tripped for being the same race as the people you fought against.
I only wish we could have gotten more scenes like this, showing bit by bit Smith compromising his morality etc
you did, His Jewish best friend/officer that was in that same room. He was later in the back of a truck begging for smith to free him. Smith looks at the pin, almost pulled it, but he didn't.
I’m enlisted in the US army. This scene always sends shivers down my spine.
Good ol' zogbot
That’s PTSD bro
@Ceo of Based Department keep larping in ur moms basement
@@fegeleinantics7898 larp
@@GALACTICREPUBLIC2024 i pledge my allegiance to the flag of the usa. Indoctrination since birth lmao
"There was a time I would've died for you, John"
Smith and his wife is a respected military couple, better than these useless and greedy butcher politicians gets busy with tons of bitches.
It hurts to see the Stars & Stripes lowered in defeat like that
same goes to the red white black flag
@@rlm2933 ok nazi
@@ampoule1878 Ok commie
@@rlm2933 i hate both commies and nazis, but you are a nazi sympathizer. grow up
@@rlm2933 oh, yeah, must be soooo personal for you LOL. what are you 16?
This is honestly terrifying
But it will happen in 2021
@@jacobmuller806 Why do you say that
@Corbin McDaniel Or is he calling Trump a Nazi? like a typical libtard.
I've seen worse, like Stalin's regime.
@@robertgreen6027 That’s not worse.
So the General and John Smith falls to the dark side.
He was just a Colonel. And Smith was Captain
The dark site was socialism ( communism)....The fascism was a joke comparing to SOCIALISM
@@michaelpencio9573 ?
@@michaelpencio9573 boomer
@@michaelpencio9573 Socialism is not fucking Communism you Genxer
There goes an old Chinese proverb something along the lines of "once you put on a mask for too long, it becomes you slow become part of the mask"
well, Biden is about to implement a mandatory order for wearing masks, I feel like I'm living in an alternate universe....
@@RONALDB62 It's just a mask, are you stupid? Stop crying about it.
@@andreadavidoni5960 and you are truly stupid for supporting such a measure. What’s next? Think about it.
I bet the 300,000 plus American lives lost would beg to differ dickhead. It’s not hard to wrap your mind around, especially bc your brain is so small
@@RONALDB62 It's a mask, they aren't taking away your life. Are you gonna get mad for hard drugs or murder being illegal because it controls you?
could you imagine walking by and not knowing it was film being made lol
My Ex had something like this happen to him. He had a food wagon at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival and now and then he would see a couple of 'Skinheads' - they increased as the days went on, until he saw like, fifty or so, bald-headed, tatted, steel booted biker like dudes and he was soooooo scared. yeah....turns out they were ALL in a play... He still gets rinsed for that, because I told EVERYONE 😂😂😂😂
this whole show was amazing right up till the last couple of episodes, really didn't like how the whole Nazis story arch finished it just felt so rushed....such a shame
I agree. I liked the ending, don't get me wrong. But it definitely felt rushed and I would have liked to have seen at least a little time dedicated to the aftermath of the Nazis defeat.
Also I think it would have been kinda interesting to see more of the immediate aftermath of the fall of the US. The early resistance, that sort of stuff.
The ending was so horrible and unrealistic from show point of view
There was a fifth season planned, but Amazon axed the show the first day of production for season 4
It was rushed because Amazon canceled the series when season 4 began production. That's why all of sudden we got the Black Marxist Resistance in the Japanese territory even though they were never mentioned in prior seasons, the Japanese sudden departure, etc. The producers tried to jam as much into the season as possible. The show could have lasted another two or three seasons if Amazon had given it a chance.
@@blackcomicnerd3657 you’re the only other person who mentions this important info
John Smith is by far the most interesting and irredeemable main character in the show.
God can you imagine what a prequel series would be like? A sequel series?
They'd have to clean up a lot of mess for a sequel taken place near the events of the end of this show. More loose ends and plot holes than just about any series I've watched.
@@TyUnglebower good point. Prequel then
A prequel would be a great idea, especially how the aspects of how the axis won the war are quiet vague and unclear
The nearest sequel might be the ' star trek , ' Terran empire ' from the ' enterprise era set in the 2063-2156 era , the credits were altered to show the axis win, and in turn , their flag altered, with a sword through the earth.
Their uniform in the later Trek series harkens in similarity to the US Nazi uniforms seen here , I know they are seperate shows , but they kind of gave an idea that the axis win, if remained unchallenged, eventually took them to space, especially as the ' Terran ' ideal ' was that ' alien ' species were not ' pure , not human enough.
This subject was touched on in how even in the ' normal universe ', into the 22nd century that same mindset existed and it's existence grew Into a threat to a new alliance of world's . Some strong story lines in that and messages n, again that in society the darkness is never far away.
The battle for the light of liberty has never truly ended
@@misinformation_spreader777 agreed.
I believe that a prequel would have to have deep ties to the Poconos worm hole (and other worm holes that were probably destroyed earlier) and the deranged state of Hitler at the end of season 1. Seeing him watch those films was like seeing him acknowledge a loud and descriptive voice telling him that he didn’t win the war. That an alternate universe (our universe) was more realistic and more true than the one he was living in and it reached out to him (in the form of these movies made by Abdensen) and it reminded him that he cheated which ultimately led to the state we see him in when John Smith finally is invited to his private quarters.
There was this movie made in the 90s that showed this German pilot in the present day was able to time warp an advanced stealth bomber, equipped with a nuclear warhead, back to Nazi Germany in the 40s. He was able to help Nazi Germany win the war by also dropping a nuke over a Washington DC.
I feel that Hitler, in this universe, possibly achieved a similar result or had someone, like this pilot in this other movie and was able to “fix” the chain of events that ultimately led to the Reich achieving world domination with Japan.
"Patton shook hands with göring"
Even though this is fiction, this is close to what he believed during and after the war.
“We defeated the wrong enemy.”
He was right.
He was 1000% correct
Patton knew that communism could never co-exist with the west. He wanted to re-arm the defeated Germans and have them help the Allies take out the Soviets. This is also what Claus von Stauffenburg and the German officers who tried to assassinate Hitler in 1944 had envisioned.
If only they hadn't moved that bomb in the suitcase to the end of the table...
@@alguienconunvideojuego4606cope harder fascist
"Patton shook hands with Goering" XD XD XD XD 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 That'd be the day
@David Jones horseshit. Ol' Patton wouldn't say that kind of shit in his worse nightmare. He fought the Germans, he knew Hitler wouldn't stop until this scene became a reality, there ain't no respect for the enemy until they surrender, period. We fought the right enemy at the right time, because if it wasn't them it would be us.
@@luisfelipe6368 your age and ignorance is apology for your arrogant stupidity, go back to study before start next subject 😉
Patton shaking hands with germans yea...okay or any marine or even the paras okay yea sure
Luis Felipe stfu you dumb critic
I was wondering why is it with Goering though, surely there are other more qualified German commanders like Rommel or Guderian.
I love how they have plenty of booze and smokes. But no food.
bare necessities :)
The fact our granddads sacrificed their lives so this wouldn’t happen makes me extremely grateful
This comment should have 7 billion likes.
Grandmothers too! My paternal grandmother was a radio operator for the RAF when she met my granddad.
And to think 75 percent of German losses were fighting the Soviets. It boggles the mind.
The fact that this generation wouldn't do the same is terrifying
@@markvetter6330 the younger generations are currently in a fight against the fascist tendencies of the boomer's preferred political party, including ongoing efforts to fight the literal SS stand-in that is ICE. Not sure if you noticed the number of people PISSED about dumbfucks rubbing shit on the walls of our government.
Patton would never give up.
Agreed, it would be like imagining Yamamoto handing over his samurai sword to MacArthur and not committing Seppuku.
@Berlin Monitor Having professional respect for Rommel is not the same thing as being willing to join the Nazis.
The Patton in this world is different from ours. Since the USA never recovered from the Great Depression Patton's mindset might have been different
Patton was a lowkey Nazi sympathizer lol
Didn’t patron say we fought the wrong enemy?
In Nazi zombies movie Dead Snow, Standartenfuhrer Herzog and his men became zombies after the war and attacked the students in 2009. So that means, lets say Herzog exist, in this High Castle timeline, Herzog remains a human being.
Ernest Wang And instead we’d see zombie movies about American Zombies wandering en masse out of the Ardennes forest or Appalachian mountains
@@Pintroll300 lol!
Pintroll300 I’d play to watch a version of that movie
Maybe a couple spots in Maryland ? Lol
@@cowert10300 Maryland would definitely be an apt location for such a movie! Especially in some of the more isolated parts; could also have movies from the Japanese perspective of Zombie-hordes coming from the rocky mountains or undead marines raised by a vengeful MacArthur in the jungles of the philipines and pacific islands.
So much potential for cool ideas in "the Man in the high castles" setting!
RIP John Smith. His last words spoke to me.
(Note: I have never read or *FULLY* watch the show Man In The High Castle. The reason I know even the fraction of this is because I watched videos, and movie chips like this)
For anyone wondering why America lost to the Germans. In the Man In The High Castle's (MITHC) timeline FDR is assassinated in 1933. The Great Depression continues on in America with every President being increasingly isolationist then the last.
When WW2 breaks out in Europe, America is wholly unprepared, and do to the isolationism in the Government.
Britain still won the Battle of Britain but lost most of her expected Pliots, and Planes.
North Africa still goes the same way. But eventually the British loses control of Egypt, and the Middle-East.
In the Soviet Union, Germany still gets frozen by the Russian winter. Without British, and American lend-lease the Soviet Union is forced to use Infantry in increasy larger numbers. Which lead to massive Manpower shortages, and eventually the Soviet Union disintegrates into warlord states.
In Aisa, Japan still invades China in 1937 which still goes the same.
Japan bombs Pearl Harbor. The US being wholly unprepared, is completely caught with it's pants down. Basically, the Pacific War is a one sided slaughter. Without the US Pacific Fleet Japan Invades New Zealand, and Australia.
Japan does invaded Hawaii but the US retakes it. And there is a rally in the US for a while.
The invasion of the US begins in 1944 when the Germans landed at Virginia Beach. At first the US held the Germans at the Beach heads, but the German technology advanced wins the day, and forces the US back. On December 11 1944 Washington D.C. is nuked shattering any hope for the US to come back.
Japan eventually invades California, and the West Coast. This father pushs the US Government to surrender, which it does in 1946.
This is why the MITHC is a Cold War between the Greater German Reich, and Greater Japanese Empire.
Japan is the weakest, and do to the war, has the lest amount of man power, and is dealing with a open Chinese Rebellion, possibly lead by Chiang-Kai-Shek, and Mao Zedong.
Germany on the other hand is stronger, has more man power, but is dealing with a power struggle. Hitler is on his death bed, and those around him are not sure what to do. Same want to wipe Japan off the map, but others want to continue the Cold War. Also the youth of the Nation are showing signs of Rebellion, and rejection of the Reichs propaganda.
Most of the World are split in two with a 'Natural Zone' in between the German Reich, and Japanese Empire. The Natural Zone is mostly a lawless place, with little pockets having same form of order.
Fellowing America's defeat Eisenhower, (and I assume Douglas McArthur) formed a resistance against the German and Japanese, determined to free America from there rule. The American Resistance is like the Veit-Cong in our timeline. Gorilla style attacks on Nazi, and Japanese leadership, lone wolf attacks, and the occasional sabotaging of High end Military equipment.
MITHC mostly takes place in America with little to no reference to the War.
Great read, thank you! The course of these events sounds far more interesting than the Wolfenstein'esque scenario I believed it to be.
Kind of disappointing to read the last part, but gotta keep expectations realistic. Multiple plot lines across the globe with one season per perspective would fit kinda well
I think nuking DC was an error. They nuked their eventual ability to coordinate further their taking over of the USA, given this would also nuke other countries embassies too.
In my opinion, nuking NYC would be best, like the Wolfenstein series. It would send a clear message like Nagasaki.
@@LordFata You're most welcome! It's a shame that the book nor show expand on the World view point. Like maybe, what's happening with the rest of the Reich or Japanese Empire.
The show does show Berlin in this hypocritical sanario. But I feel it was rushed in several seasons and could have been better then what it was.
I’m Canadian but it’s still so devastating to see the American flag come down looking all deflated like that.
ah were nazis too leaf with red white
It feels good to see that
Knoblauch why
America it's a continent from Argentina to Canada, NOT a fucking country called USA.
Fernando Fernando America is two continents, not one. North America formally ends at the Isthmus of Panama and South America begins below that.
I live in Vancouver BC where 'The man in the High Castle was filmed. 0:17 is at what used to be a psychiatric hospital called "Riverview".
it was built in 1913 and closed in 2012. it's basically a movie set now. They are always filming there.
Other shows that have filmed there; Dead Pool 2, Riverdale, Watchmen, The A Team, Halloween Resurrection. and many more.
Amazing
@@not_noah69 A lot of the old buildings have been pretty well maintained considering they were built in the 1900's, and the grounds is massive. I drive a city bus for work, and have driven past the buildings at 0:18 lots of times.
@@ronnie_5150 wow, must have been a cool sight
Brilliant programme and series! Wish made a series 5 + !
In the face of absolute defeat and annihilation of one’s country and people, either a soldier’s loyalty is shown to his country, or his betrayal.
Only absolute defeat and annihilation can reveal a soldier’s true motives and where his loyalty lies, to his country, his family, his comrades, or himself.
i love this whole series from beginning to end. and the ending had a twist and doesnt go with the usual "heroes journey". that's what made it so refreshing! LOVE this whole show. despite what some people say about last episodes
"BUT THIS IS WHATS RIGHT, ITS FOR THE BEST" how many times have you heard that?
“Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death” - Patrick Henry
We`ve seen things you and I , Other worlds , Other lives . We have that in common , its unbearable to be able to look through that door and glimpse all the people you could have been . And to know that out of all of them THIS IS THE ONE THAT YOU BECAME !!
John smith best quote ever 👌
Seeing *that* armband on *that* uniform is tantamount to sacrilege, and that's what makes this sequence so horrifying. No gunshots, no gore, no screaming, just silence as people discover who they truly are in the face of a life-or-death ultimatum. Easily one of the most poignant moments this show produced.
Soviets: no food for u
Nazis: you have lost light priveledge
took place near my house, crazy to see that done
him staring at the armband at the end was cool
I'm glad they included a line about Eisenhower fighting on.
For all the people who are crying over the line "Patton shook hands with Goering" just remember that Patton in real life said "We fought the wrong enemy" in reference to World War 2. He'd probably have no problem shaking any of their hands if WW2 had gone a different way.
If WWII had gone a different way it would be ruled from Berlin by White men rather than being ruled from Brussels ny jews. And would very likely not be on the verge of utter disappearance in a sea of third world trash.
@@hiramburgess9925 lol shut the fuck up you know nothing numpty
@@baljot1231, great retort moron.
@@hiramburgess9925 so you support the holocaust?
I mean, we did technically.
In the matter of absolutes, where both aren't good, communism is a fair deal worse than fascism. It's also much dirtier.
this scene demonstrates one very simple truth. its easy to die for your principles when you have nothing to lose.
People with real principles do not compromise
@@michellepeoplelikeyoumurde8373 its easy to say that when you have nothing to lose. if it came down to my priniciples or making sure my daught has food in her belly and a roof over her head, i know which id choose. because i have a lot to lose.
“We defeated the wrong enemy.” General George Patton
In real life he was probably right. The Soviet Union became a larger threat Nazi Germany could've ever aspired to be.
I think Germany would’ve proved to be a greater threat
Wow the Nazi fangirling in this comment chain is real.
This just proves how scummy patton really was, the nazis were evil as hell far worse than the soviets, destroying the nazis was essential the fact that you are willing to ignore their evil proves that you are worthless neo nazi trash only fit for the gulag
@@weasle2904 Yeah right, because they had the same "Herrenvolk" attitude like the Germans. They thought their pure bloodline was superior to all non white people. (Irony off)
I can't believe it...🤦
LOVE the show, but highly disappointed with the last season and ending. One thing I disagree with in this clip is Old Blood & Guts General Patton surrendering. Sorry, but Patton was the type that wouldn't have given up the fight that easily and would have headed to the hills with Eisenhower and gone guerrilla and fought till the end.
-among the many other flaws and plot holes of Season 4.
You need to take a closer look at patton and his views..
You must understand this is an alternative reality, the Patton from this reality is not the same from real life, so it makes sense after all
@@henkgerritsen1444 Patton waas right. We destroyed Europe and for what? So the EU could rule a dying continent from Brussels.
"Nein of this is easy, but this is what's reich. You're now the man in the high castle."
Patton shook hands with Göring....Well damn.
Just watching this scene makes me grimace and my Lord.. the relief in knowing it’s only a tv show, especially as someone with several WW2 vets in her family
Maybe it ain't so bad, Anglo Saxons were considered as Aryans by the Germans and if this was a reality, the Americans would be too tired to continue even further, it would be the right decision to submit to the Germans who have been already taken out whole Europe.
@@Atajew the thing is, my family were Freemasons at the time so it didn’t matter one hoot what we were racially, plus the fact I’m Catholic and even if Hitler was born into the Church he hated Roman Catholics with a passion (look up Maximilian Kolbe, a Catholic Saint who died in a concentration camp) and I’m physically and mentally disabled, according to the Nazis, a useless eater
@@Atajew The Nazis wouldn't give two hoots about me even if I am White, I'm Catholic (they hated Catholics, famously killing two Catholic Saints) disabled (see T4, the start of the gas chambers, where they wiped out the people they deemed unworthy of life) which makes me a useless eater and a descendant of a family whose male population is dominated by Freemasons who the Nazis banned and killed, my original comment still stands, I'm relieved the Axis did NOT win
@@Atajew like Wolfenstein shown a bit if you forgot some part the US will have probably have not that much change America in the 1940" was not that friendly the most impacted will be the Jewish population and the afro American
@@aoki6332 Im cool with that
In truth, how many families wouldn’t have taken that decision when faced with it? Join up or die.
I've seen all the seasons it's a very good story an alternative history. I've started to watch it all again the acting is so good
There is one thing wrong with this scene, and it’s that is like the only time I hear Göring being mentioned and Erwin Rommel is mentioned as a “Reichsmarschall” which was a rank that was exclusively made for Göring who was also in line as successor as Fuhrer.
in the TV Show Göring was killed off by Hitler, I think that was said in Season 1 or 2. And Rommel followed him as Reichsmarschall
IRL Rommel plotted to overthrow Hitler. That's why he got killed.
@@wyqtor he didn't plot it. He only voice his support (allegedly)
It's not our history or world, obviously. Can't really be "wrong" in an alternate universe.
He is such a good actor, best part of the show
This is basically what happened to French and other Nazi conquer nations.
I gotta admit, I think in a timeline where the US is taken over I think Erwin Rommel or Walter Model are the best options we could have hoped for
I would choose Rommel. You?
@@firemangan2731 Rommel is for told to be a very forgiving man
Or so they said
They are Soldiers not killers that’s the reason
@@crimzonempire4677 He did commit many war crimes, but still he is the best of the bunch. He was not an Anti-Semite and so on...
@@CoolMan-ig1ol why do you like semites
Seeing America fall gives me chills it's scary
Ita not going to be to a swastika, but the sickle and hammer
@@stephenembry4038 Hell no, america will never fall to any foreign force. If America does fall he will be by the hand of its own people
@@stephenembry4038 Or it could be a NATO flag going up in Beijing or Moscow.
@@stephenembry4038 Putin has stated on RT it's impossible to invade America. They'd have to start with Alaska and work it's way to the mainland and by the time the foot soldiers fought that far their numbers would've been cut down to a third of what they started with. The only way to beat America without nuclear war is to collapse our economy and set us against each other. Which they've been doing masterfully so far. We are dumb enough to destroy ourselves and they've proven it.
The middle easterners disagree
I can't see Patton ever shaking hands with Goering. They should've switched it around and had Goering accept the adulation (Lord knows he loved attention) and had Rommel shake hands with Patton. Would've made it far more believable.
I am not American, but God, first 15 seconds are painful to watch.
Богдан БогВоины
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Богдан БогВоины nigga what the fuck
@@Bodya_14_words dude are you some kind of racist they also killed people with disabilities and a Jews and Jehovah's Witnesses and many more people how do you side with them
@@thermslusitania1151 cause there were no feminists hating on men,no illegal immigration from the middle East that time. There was no antifa scum attacking innocent passers by back then so yes I like that ! 👍
@@Bodya_14_words Please tell me you are not one of those national bolshevik, the even dumber version of neo-nazi?
This scenario alone would make an interesting mini series.
0:57 When you are in the middle of the war as Britain in Hoi4 and the United States turn fascist
We need more seasons.
I reminded of an episode of Star Trek where two captains were talking one of them very high on protocol and the rule book The other with a ship full of starving crewman.
"It's easy to cling to principles when you have a fully functional ship and a crew not starving to death"
We fighting the wrong enemy...General Patton.
Stuff like this happend in real life, scary to imagine living through something like this. Adapt or die i guess.
This video messes with my head for some reason
I think that there could be a scene like this in a live action Star Wars show taking place right after Revenge of the Sith and the end of the clone wars. It could be on a planet where the population was loyal to the Separatist Alliance and the Empire is taking over. Then the main character who fought for the Separatist cause decides to join the Empire in a scene like this. That would be cool!
Out of the whole series, this is the scene that stuck in my memory.
Scenes like this actually did happen in Poland and France and other occupied places. In fact they happen whenever a place is taken over by another. many do change allegiances.
0:18 hmm looks like they filmed in Point Grey, Vancouver BC for this scene (those buildings are a hostel near UBC I believe).
It's like the guy who takes a supervisor position at Walmart to feed his family and then like 15 years later he's the store manager that writes everyone up.
Looks better than any inner city black school
Philip K Dick.....a true genius
0:48 when someone says they don't watch the news
"But this is what's right"
Oh, who would've thought she would regret that so much...
It’s amazing what they did with this scene, like the whole world hung in the balance of what a few brave men did or didn’t do, but you realize that most all of the brave men submitted, based on what they heard over the radio, all at once, because they were told they had no hope.
You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain
This really does have the same feel as Star Wars Episode III
Honestly rommel being in charge wouldnt be bad at all
How so
As 2020-2022 proved, 95% of people would step in line and comply. Only 5% would rebel. Sad really
😂😂 oh yeah a not doctor still thinks vaccines are bad
One of the great fears was that we never really knew the real strength of the Luftwaffe or the Kriegsmarine. The Luftwaffe lacked long-range heavy bombers that could cross the oceans, and the Kriegsmarine was not going to get a single aircraft carrier till 1945. The B-36 bomber was in development for the main reason and that was if we had to fight against Germany and Japan from our own shores.
What difference would that have made? The germans didn't have the oil or pilots to fly those planes, and the kriegsmarine was a joke. Even if the Amerikabomber project had happened, it would've just used up even more precious resources the Germans didn't have to what, bomb 0.0001% of the US' total industry just for the bombers to get shot down?
How far is that heroic United States from this one with Black Lives Matter and this young kid Joe.
@@MartinZanichelli If you where alive in 1965 you would be saying the same kind of things about MLK and anti Vietnam war protestors. Despite history vindicating both in the end. I don’t like Biden,hell I hate his milktoast neoliberal guts for what he’s done to the people of this country. I’d even argue that he’s currently just as shit as the man he’s replaced. But our descendants will not look kindly upon how we have both treated our fellow human beings and the world we live in by us deflecting to a mythical past.
Their sub fleet did a pretty good number on everyone though.
@@fleatactical7390 and that was all
Their surface fleet was thankfully hot garbage
2:12 can someone listen carefully and tell me what type of erie background sound is that (it always plays when smith comes out)
John Smith it's a unique character among the other leaders in the serie in topics as wisdom, respect, love, loyalty and excellent to collaborate with others colleagues and perceive what others leaders can't see.
I like how the swastika changes its orientation when they go from the tight shot to the wide shot. It's the wrong way up on the tight shot but then corrected when it goes to the view of the soldiers standing beneath.