Anything can be a part of disordered eating or restriction. As someone who has suffered with an eating disorder, i used to tell people i was vegan but really, it was just an excuse to eat less calories. But now that I’ve recovered, I use veganism to fuel my body and get all of my nutrients and calories from plants. Everyone is different, and what may be restrictive for one person won’t be for another.
good for you, but the statement “everyone is different” is a very dangerous one, as it can - and many time has - been misused and misconstrued by rejecting that a whole-foods plants-only diet works for some but not for others; Mike even responded to such claims (multiple times) with “no, we are not lions, zebras, gorillas, crocodiles, bears, ...”, meaning, we (humans) are all herbivores, not carnivores or even omnivores, so a balanced whole-foods plants-only diet will have the same medicinal results for 99.9% of all humans, just like living on consuming a SAD will have the same results
@@themax2go I eat a whole-food plants based diet; but this is something that a lot of ‘hardcore' ideological vegans ignore. There are a lot of "herbivores" in the animal kingdom that eat tiny amounts of animal proteins. Take frugivores from many dominant monkey and ape species. Gorillas don't kill big animals, but they regularly eat small animals (mainly insects). Despite the fact that this constitutes far less than 0.1% of their food/calories, it's still a bug here or there, if not on a daily basis, eat least a weekly one. In chimpanzees, up to 6% of the food may be animal matter. ... Gorillas eat different insect species in different regions; there may even be traditions in prey choice. So even though we are herbivores, if some range between 1 out of 1000 meals (maybe once a year for a person) to up to 6 out of 100 meals (maybe eating meat a couple times a month); we could still be herbivores AND eat some small amounts of animal protein without any major adverse health effects (or even ecological problems, provided that our animal proteins did not come from factory farms sources). Obviously, the SAD is a sad excuse for a human diet, but it's equally true that hardcore vegan dogma isn't exactly "natural" either. We should all just mostly eat a whole-food plants based diet, and accept that an egg here, a piece of fish there... It just isn't a cardinal sin / crime that people need to feel guilty about. Just saying this as someone who is vegan in all but name/ideology...
Maxfieldization Well said and true in itself, yet it’s missing the point of that a 1. no-added oil, 2. sufficiently supplemented (meaning, as individually medically assessed and necessary), 3. adequately diverse (“eating the rainbow”) including nuts and seeds (as one’s health allows - allergies), 4. whole-foods, 5. plants-only, 6. high-carb, 7. low-to-moderate protein diet, 8. combined with a physically active lifestyle - All of that has been medically concluded to be the main ingredient of a long and healthy lifestyle. Obviously, there’s also mental health part of that, and part of it is not to stress out of having eaten some eggs or animal corpse piece by accident or due to cravings or possible social circumstance (no other adequately caloric-dense food was available - and social pressure is IMO not a viable reason); however, speaking about mental health and thus psychology: cravings for corpse pieces / tortured flesh should not exist in the first place, if you are what is considered mentally sane. See, you were cutting out the other two aspects of veganism (which I wasn’t even talking about, veganism that is, I was talking about a whole-foods plants-only diet), which are of the environmental and ethical subjects; the health aspect is one’s only responsibility and thus you are absolutely correct that is one’s choice alone, however, the environmental and ethical implications are not, as the environmental effect of animal agriculture, factory farming or not, is a major issue for EVERYONE, and the ethical aspect of course for those sentient being’s who you kill or pay for to be killed and in most cases involves rape and torture too; however, there’s now a fourth aspect that’s come to light to veganism, which is the social-health impact due to that every pneumatic diseases has been caused due to animal agriculture, and in light of the danger of antibiotic resistance and superbugs, the death and destruction these have caused so far is nothing compared to what’s to come, if medical scientists are correct in their predictions. So yes, unfortunately, everyone who eats corpses and secretions from sentient beings needs to be educated and if they refuse to change, then publicly exposed as such and shamed.
@@themax2go humans aren't herbivores lmao we're omnivores. what we have actually evolved to eat is COOKED food. you won't get much out of raw rice OR out of raw pork.
My partner has heart issues I have type 2 diabetes We swapped to a largely Esselstyn oil free vegan diet We have both had significant weight loss My partner has cut the heart medication considerably I no longer need to take the heavy medications for type 2 diabetes My BMI is within the normal range - for the first time since I was a teenager And that is a long time ago LOL My no oil / high whole food carb diet seems to be very beneficial For both of us and we will continue on it.
yes, mixing high carb and high fat is a problem for heart health. The mistakes vegans make is to blame fat (or often even blaming animal foods) when fat is crucial for hormonal balance - opting for high carb over high fat is a terrible long term plan but I wish you all the best.
@@craggerrs 200g split peas, 200g quinoa, 200g tofu, 3 mangos gives you pretty much all the essential fatty acids you need... play around because i didnt waste time finding exact numbers. without the artery clogging ,diabetes causing,kidney destroying animal products .
I agree that oil isn't great and appreciate your in-depth research. As someone who has fallen into severely restrictive eating habits in the past, I've found the best balance for me is to eat a primarily whole-foods-based diet, but also enjoy oil or products containing oil in from time to time. That being said, I have no complicating health issues and try to stick to healthy lifestyle habits. Also, as a content creator, it's a little frustrating to have a channel make profit of *your* work and judge your diet off of ONE single day of eating...and then create a space for her viewers to talk negatively about you in the comments. I think we should focus on spreading facts and positivity, and while Abbey does a generally good job of not being outright rude or overly judgmental, I'm still not a fan of her growth strategy and therefore refuse to watch her videos.
Yeah I really wish oil free eating wasn't a double edged sword that helps so much with heart disease but can play into disordered eating. It is strange that we can have problems removing a food that didn't even really exist a few thousand years ago. Also as for her growth strategy, it is fundamentally parasitic and relies of her acting nice so people feel less guilty about judging others. I don't know her personally but I get the vibe that she doesn't act like she does on camera in real life when talking about vegans. Who knows.
Urghh, she is passive aggressive & allows others to be negative and comments in response to them, encouraging so. If she doesn’t like someone eating a vegan diet & not eating enough fats (for the day) she’ll say they have a eating disorder & that she is triggered by it personally 🙄. She also mentions that she is not paid as a dietician to promote meat & dairy industry, yet never has commented on the influence that those industries have had on Governments, Education, Media & Health Professionals! I’ve done a diplomas in both Nutrition & Vegan Nutrition and the difference is vast!
@@MictheVegan Hate getting personal but yup. I'm probably a bit older than she and would never refer to myself as a brand, ok 'nuff said -- I love most of all the preponderance of your videos about disseminating information.
I'm usually avoiding oil as well, but I'm not restricting myself. I still go to restaurants (well, at least when there's no pandemic going on), bake cakes with vegan butter and sometimes eat a bit of vegan cheese or other oil containing things. But normal cooking without oil is absolutely no problem. Don't need it for salad dressings, frying vegetables, self-made hummus or pretty much anything else.
This is pretty much me as well! I rarely use oil in my weekly meal preps and I am not afraid to eat it at restaurants and use vegan butter to bake, so I in no way feel like I am restricting myself. If I for some reason really want to make a dish with oil then sure, I have it on hand, but 90% of the time it isn't something I miss cooking with.
yes, same - i do eat processed foods that contain oil, i have absolutely no issue with it, my cholesterol is very low so for me it's not an issue to consume some here and there, i think in (very low) moderation it's fine to eat them here or there, but most days i don't consume any and i avoid them, too. i think this is a good approach to be honest, that way you can still enjoy some of the things you like (like going out to eat, eating this or that cake) without getting too much health-wise
@@kichelmoon6365 I highly recommend the recipes and guides from Simnett Nutrition (here on RUclips). Derek usually mixes some kind of nut butter (or avocado) with something sweet (like dates or maple syrup), something sour (like vinegar or lemon juice) and something salty (like miso paste, soy sauce etc.). Mustard, herbs and spices, ginger and other ingredients are great as well. Just find out what you like or look at Derek's RUclips channel for some full recipes. :D I've struggled with oil free salad dressing myself, but especially using nut butter changed a lot for me! :)
are you open to the idea that it is the fact that you cut out Seed Oils that helped you, rather than cutting out stable saturated fats like coconut, butter, and tallow? Heart disease only rose when seed oils came out. Before that, oils were an anomaly.
@@abandonmodernity8120 Show me a paper like Esselstyn's papers that demonstrate reversal of heart disease on the diet you suggest. Even if it is possible that seed oils are worse than certain saturated fats (which a ton of papers contraindicate), that doesn't mean you can reverse heart disease with such a diet.
@French blue8 Very, very well said, discrediting a highly acclaimed researcher and physician is worse than impersonating a medical professional or plagiarism.
@French blue8 I think she just doesn't want to admit that oil may not be the health food she believes it is, like most people. It's a bit of dissonance.
I like Dr Greger's analogy, if it is unhealthy to smash your thumb with an hammer, it doesn't make sense to smash it once a week or once a month in "moderation".
Meh, you could say sure hitting your thumb once a month isn't going to warp or completely render you thumb useless but doing it 3 times a day without any time to heal will fuck up your thumb big time. Sweeping statements, they never work.
The thing is that "smashing your thumb with a hammer" is nothing like eating junk food. There's an enjoyability factor that makes it easy to ignore the imperceptible & underlying harm caused by poor eating habits. The analogy that I personally use is "Anti-freeze is poisonous to drink. So although it is temptingly sweet, nobody is crazy enough to harm themselves by drinking it. This same logic should apply to junk food."
Very good once again. They say of certain people, "He's a national treasure'. Well I think you're an international treasure. Videos like this one, so many of your videos, are very important in clearing up misinterpretations, misrepresentations etc. The image with blueberries and tablespoon of oil was striking. I shall share it when I share the video link soon. Best wishes, more power to Mic the vegan's mike, camera, analytical skills, speaking skills, public spirited and animal concerned fervour, indefatigable energy and guts. 👍😊.
I don't think it's good to stop eating a food because of its caloric density. Not a good mindset. Health should be what we're always striking for,and vigin olive oil (trsutworthy %100 virgin oil) is incredibly beneficial. Us people with amediterranean diet consider it liquid gold and we have it every day and stay healthy, live long and for those who care, lean.
Joseph Matthews get off RUclips, get off your phone, both are products of a capitalistic system. Practice what your preach. If it weren’t for capitalism, I would’ve never heard about a vegan diet. Thanks to RUclips, I have access to vegans and videos that exposed animal cruelty to me. Capitalism is probably the greatest weapon vegans have.
@Joseph Matthews Why do you intersectionalists try and take the 1 cause dedicated for the animals and make it about yourselves? You think animals get treated better in communist China? Making veganism about some political ideology rather than the animals is the opposite of what people should do.
Avoiding oil is restrictive yet Abbey restricts fruit. People are not dying of oil deficiencies, they are dying of heart disease and obesity-related diseases. Over 70 million Americans are obese and 99 million are overweight and at the same time they are severely deficient in both fiber AND fruit. "Not eating enough fruit is our #1 dietary risk.” -Dr. Greger
Seed oils are a part of the CV issue because of their highly inflammatory ratio of omega 6. Plus, they're highly processed compared to coconut oil, olive oil and butter. If used from their natural environment and not for cooking, it's alive just like honey. Cook or heat it, you kill it, the same with honey. It is the transference of the life frequency that is healthy in eating fruit. You must eat alive to stay alive. Grains are poisonous. Rice might be the better choice of any grain because they are so far off their original before becoming GMO. I believe India beat out Monsanto and has a true unmodified rice. Meat is good if fresh, wild killed. The whole vegan thing from Dr. Barnard is all about PETA. Dr. Gregor has a video talking about seed oils and the reason vegans live 5 years less than their carnivores across the aisle. Both sides will argue they have survived by going vegan or carnivore coming from the SAD Standard American Diet. Bottom line: exercise must be included along with a form of meditation or good sleep. When people have followed my recommendation, a 180 change or a complete turn around. Think about how our most recent ancestors from just 100 years ago. Very few were overweight and chronically sick.
@@adorable3817 that's the problem, the spreading of misinformation. Derek already said eats whole foods at least 80-90% of the time and there is likely to be some oil used in processed foods and eating out so no need cooking with it. Occasionally may not hurt and don't want to develop an eating disorder being too strict
22:40 This question for Abbey really nails it down! Her own fear of her past ''orthorexic'' self is the reason why she isn't vegan. So sad to witness...
There’s little that grinds my gears as much as the term ‚in moderation‘, because what does that even mean?? Literally anything and everything you want it to 🤦♀️
The error there is called "the golden mean fallacy". Here's a funny explanation: explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/690:_Semicontrolled_Demolition AKA "middle ground fallacy" yourlogicalfallacyis.com/middle-ground Psychologically, I think it's just lazy smart people who think they can "figure out" complex problems by averaging clear extremes; it makes them feel better, more empowered. It's also part of a conservative and even regressive worldview, as it's a way to pretend to do progress.
Sure, people can call anything "in moderation". That doesn't mean that it's not a useful term. You drink too little water - bad. Too much - bad. The right amount (i.e. in moderation) - good. Same with calories, sunlight, physical activity, sleep, etc. I would say in moderation is any amount that is not harmful, or whose downsides are less than the benefits to you personally.
Carl Baum that’s a great quote. A lot of people think they’re being moderate until they end up with a diet related health problem. It’s easy to think you’re being moderate, when the whole world is extreme.
Aww, don’t be putting down your hot body, comparing yourself to Derek. Extreme muscularity is not a prerequisite for an attractive body. Moreover, I’m sure there are about as many people mesmerized by your eyes as there are people drooling over Derek’s abs.
exactly. extreme muscular/athletic body is beautiful but it doesn't mean a slender/fit body or average is not. good diet and a bit of work out occasionally is more than enough :)
Rosa H for me It’s always been more about the shape of someone’s eyes or expression (like an intense gaze) that did it for me. I never understood being drawn in by the color. I agree. Different people like different things. I have a friend that loves strong muscular backs. I could care less about muscles even though I love fitness myself lol
I USED to be afflicted with gout, hypertension and, hyperglycemia. With in the first year of a whole food plant based diet I got my first clean bill of health. The doctor literally said: oh my god, you're no longer dying, how did you do that. When I told him how I ate he went from shock to worry. He said I am going to die from malnourishment. That was YEARS ago. The doctor is obese to this day.
@@Springfairy92 If the doctor is not a dietitian than i just assume that their medical edu doesn"t extend to diet. I dont even trust most nutritionists.
@@phrostedbaron yeah, my aunt's sister is a nutritionist and she frowned upon my vegan diet saying I need oil. Thats was the only thing she complained about 🤔 funny...
I was a borderline "overweight vegan" so like technically if I gained 2 pounds I would fall into an overweight BMI. I couldnt understand why. I was eating plant based minimally processed foods. So I saw an RD who looked at my diet and said I was over doing it on healthy fats and oil. I feel like it's a conversation that is pushed under the rug a lot. Thank you for this video.
When I was a freshman in university I went to a blood bank to donate my blood plasma. Once I ate spaghetti carbonara before I went there. The blood plasma was a white sludge instead of a clear liquid. They threw it in the garbage. Should make you wonder why they basically threw away money if you believe fat in the blood has no negative impact.
@@godsofwarmaycry apparently it went over your head that this was an anecdote... Repeating the science regarding fat and artery function in the comment section of this channel seemed repetitive to me.
middle ground: oil is not necessarily a health food but also evidence of refined oils causing CVD is not strong enough to determine a direct causation. Monounsaturated fats like Olive Oil could be classified as a healthier alternative for the general population but not healthier than the whole food. Oils can make plant food more palatable increasing plant food intake but excess oil can cause weight issues due to excess calories intake. The no oil movement can further reinforce restrictive eating behaviours and anxious feeling around food for those that suffer from Orthorexia,
@@nobel356 idk bro but the no oil movement messed with my head in the past to the point where I would get terrible anxiety if I would see anybody using oil when cooking, forced my girlfriend ditching oil and fighting with my parents, telling them they are killing themselves if they cook with oil. Also the no oil movement kinda forget to mention that fat is still an essential macronutrient and need to be replaced with every meal if you ditch oil which I crearly didn't do. Orthorexia is real shit
I feel like this is the first comment I read here which is neither the "oil is HEALTHY" nor the "she is funded by the meat Industrial and oil will kill you" but a kind of balanced approach to this topic. I mean Abby as well as Mic has their own background of experiences so they'll always have a different point of view. Nobody will ever truly be objective. And I feel like a lot of the people here forget that we are not all exactly the same. Every body is a little bit different and everyone has to find their own way. Eating no oil can be restricitive if you feel that way. As well as no oil can increase the life quality of others. And that's okay. In my opinion it's important to inform about the impacts oil can have but at the same time sending the message that if you don't experience bad effects while consuming oil (in a not excessive way!) you don't have to feel guilty about it.
When you don't eat oil as much or cut it out completely for a while you lose the taste for it and it becomes gross and heavy. Which is something Derek has mentioned in his videos on why he doesn't care for added oil. Seems like it would be more unhealthy if you force yourself to eat something that you are grossed out by just because it is touted to be a health food.
Thank you, Mike! Abbey’s was really very emotional and not very science-based. I also have the feeling that she is more afraid of orthorexia than heart disease. However, heart disease is the number one killer in the western population!
Only halfway through the video and I have to pause it to say: Mic, you crushed it! Great debunking not only of this dietitian’s claims but also of olive oil. It’s really problematic that so many people still think that it is a health food.
@@paolarosichetti4056 Healthy is sort of a vague word. It usually doesn't help much in a conversation IMO. Saying something like "olive oil has been shown to be beneficial in many CVD endpoints" makes what you're saying very clear.
Not having to worry about calories on a vegan diet, for me, DID help my eating disorder. it made me feel more comfortable around eating food and helped me see food as less "scary" and as numbers. i was focusing more on the health benefits of the food i was eating, but i wasnt obsessive about it, it was freeing actually.
I used to work at a plasma donation center. If someone had recently eaten a very fatty meal before coming in to donate, you could literally see the milky white fat in their blood as the bag filled. Plus, after I would centrifuge the tiny glass tube of their blood when I would check their hematocrit levels prior to being approved for donation, it was very easy to see the separated fat from the blood after the centrifugation. Just saying this in case people dont believe that the fat from a recent fatty meal is very clearly seen in the blood.
@@whoeverofhowevermany Her type isn't rare, there's a bunch of anti-vegan vegans. These people just stray off from the rational path while still having some vegan values but not all values, usually. She reminds me of Unnatural Vegan, another anti-vegan female that's also a self proclaimed vegan. She's much worse, and technically dangerous claims going against established science isn't exactly helping our cause.
When I dipped my toes in this whole food plant based diet, I felt like I was doing so well until I start reading about how I shouldn’t be eating oil. I was pissed, because I had thought olive oil was healthy and I felt I was already depriving myself of so many things I grew up eating. Then, through research, I realized oil is using tons of veggies to get a tablespoon of empty calories. After learning how easy it really is to cook without oil, it’s the the thing I don’t miss at all.
I know right! Now, when I occasionally eat oil dining out, I can just feel the acid reflux - my body isn't a fan of it! Might as well gets the good polyphenols from whole olives anyway.
In moderation means consume up to 2 tbsp of Cold pressed or Virgin Oil daily... Abby, herself, had mentioned consuming 1 tbsp of oil per daily Caloric intake.
I mean if fried foods and animal products were all avoided IMO that could be worth looking into. Good quality extra virgin olive oil in moderation. Studies that compare just olive oil to no oil.
"A lot of weight loss and weight gain is kind of out of our control." -- Abbey Sharp, 2020. Blown away by the stupidity, irresponsibility, and defeatist attitude of this fraudster. Glad I didn't listen to shills like her and followed a whole food, vegan diet instead -- otherwise I'd probably be diabetic and have major heart disease by now. Such horrendous advice.
I was also "blown away" when I heard her say that... The very definition of irresponsibility. That's the kind of advice that allows overweight individuals to "blame it on their genes" and doesn't do a bit of good for the ever-increasing rise of diabetes/hypertension/heart disease, etc. Very sad.
I am WFPBNO and the healthiest I have ever been!!! I don’t feel restricted in my eating at all. I lost 20 lbs eating this way and have maintained it for many months. It is the easiest and most fulfilling way I have ever eaten and is evidence based. Thanks for sharing this!!!
When I looked at some of her quoted articles, many of them had studies of people who may have been eating walnuts and avocados. I commented that oils are not health foods. She replied this isn’t a video about being healthy. Huh?!?! She’s a registered dietitian right?!?! Then replied that they may not be healthy, but why be so restrictive. Uh, be restrictive for health reasons.!!!!
If cutting out oil is good for you, good! She's talking about overly restrictive behaviors that can be a part of/lead to eating disorders. Doesn't mean health isn't important, but that wasn't the focus of the video. Is oil/a cookie/etc "healthy"? Not really, but they can be a part of an overall healthy diet, esp if cutting them out triggers disordered eating. It's better to not eat "perfectly" if it means you can live your life without thinking about food so damn much.
"The truth is, a lot of weight gain and weight loss is kinda out of our control" Wow i spat out my olive oil when hearing that. Might as well go to McDonalds with that fact.
19 months ago I had painful crippling angina and was classified as having end-stage coronary artery disease unable to even walk up stairs. From the day of diagnosis, I went to a whole plant-based diet with no salt, no caffeine, no oil, and no dairy. 19 months later I am on no meds, did not have the stent I was booked into have, no angina, and run around the farm all day. We did haymaking yesterday and I threw 100 bales. Oil is out for my reversal of CVD.
Soooo doing a little snooping on the internet --- ALL of her points/studies come from a single healthline.com article on the healthfulness on olive oil. That's not exactly "diligently reviewing the evidence". So lazy
@@Mwriggles Almost everyone in today's age has a bachelor... The fact that she studied sth doesn't not make her lazy. All the lazy people/classmates I have met have a bachelor's or are in uni... Just sayin
@@Mwriggles I have a masters degree and am also an Registered Dietitian - Just because you have a degree doesn't excuse you from not actually doing research when you say you are doing a "thorough review of evidence". It is professionally dishonest. Healthline very often mis-represents research and is not a reliable source of information - which she would have known if she had actually done her own research as opposed to finding something that confirms her bias and sounded evidence based. And healthcare practitioners providing evidence to the public, it is our obligation to keep up with nutrition research so that we can best help our patients/clients. It's actually required to maintain licensure. So yes. Getting all of her arguments from a pop-science website is lazy.
@@Mwriggles You do know that someone who studied for 4 years doesn't magically get rid of them still possibly being lazy? You clearly have no idea how college works if you seriously think studying for 4 years = not being able to be lazy. If you even watched the full video and that healthline article, it is in fact LAZY is a RD take 1 healthline article and uses that and those studies to spread misinformation to her followers. Being a RD doesn't get rid of people being able to criticize you. There are even lazy DOCTORS who studied for 11+ years, doesn't get rid of the fact that some of them are lazy.
I get that eating oil free isn't for everyone but as a person not living in a western country it's sad that a lot of vegan RUclipsrs don't acknowledge that how difficult a diet is can depend a lot on where someone lives. They just make blanket statements that it's hard for everyone. I personally find an oil free diet is a lot easier and cheaper. Especially during quarantine when I'm cooking all my meals. You really don't need oil to make most Kenyan staple foods. A lot of people do use oil when cooking out of habit but switching it out for water is really easy and preserves the same taste. The only exception is foods like chapati and mandazi which do need oil but I don't eat those every day. (not really related but a lot of vegan RUclipsrs also assume going vegan in a Third World country is harder and more expensive. Even though it's actually the cheapest diet and a lot of our staples are already vegan/vegeterian).
Chapati need not contain oil. In India the traditional chapati of most parts 0f northern India dont contain any oil, just made with a dough of water and flour, cooked with skill on a tava, iron griddle. Some people may smear oil, ghee or butter on the cooked chapati, or phulka, or tandoori roti cooked in a tandoor but this by no means essential. However conventionally in peninsular India and the south they do mix in oil and even salt into the dough.
@@deepakhiranandani6488 I avoid flour, gives me a bloated stomach and really bad gas 😷 A blood test determined that I was allergic to ALL grains and Gluten - but not enough to be diagnosed with celiac disease. I avoid animal products, sugar, flour and oil.
@@adorable3817 I avoid flour, sugar, oil and obviously all animal products too, being vegan. Never have chapati since several years but I used to years ago.
She's def not that educated to win this debate lol. She blames genes instead of overly eating for obesity and also critiques ppl with balanced diet calling them too restrictive, yep u hv to eat trash otherwise she will drop the card "disorder eating "
In her game changers review she's basically like, "the evidence goes both ways." No it doesn't... and she is a dietitian so she should be able to read and judge the data. So disappointing.
She annoys the crap out of me 🤦🏼♀️ I had an eating disorder for years & going WFPB helped me conquer it COMPLETELY because of noooooo restriction. And I use oil sparingly, not to restrict but because it makes me break out like freaking crazy.
abbreviatedalex oh I absolutely agree! And unfortunately, I have had friends use veganism as a means to restrict. But I had a huge problem with starving/binging & was terrified of carbs. So I did a high carb meal plan that was 1800 calories MINIMUM a day which was soooo scary (when I was starving I’d try to eat less than 800). But it completely healed my relationship with food. I eat a variety of foods, especially carbs, in abundance & never have to worry about over eating because it’s rice & potatoes & greens & fruits & oatmeal. Plus I lost 30 pounds doing that because it was all healthy & no excess oil, salt, or sugar. I’m more lax now & do use oil sometimes for like roasted potatoes but I feel the same as you, if I eat too much of it, it definitely makes me feel gross. And yes, I definitely put more away when I go oil free 🤣
She's also like one of those "RD " on IG that gives justification to obessed ppl that being fat n dying while stuffing those crap inside their mouths it's not their faults, it's all geneeees
I REALLY liked the point you made about not using oil to cook at home but not being afraid to consume it when eating out socially/from time to time. I think that is honestly a prime example of a healthy relationship with food and healthy outlook on oil consumption. Loved the video and all the research behind it!
I get you, but the risk is that people with underlying health conditions will regularly be eating oil if they then dine out. They can't moderate here. It is possible to eat out oil free, and still do fine socially - you need to prepare and educate yourself, and plan, but it is possible. I like Mary McDougall's guide on eating out, elsewhere on RUclips, for helping with this.
Big consortia representing departments of agriculture, supermarkets, departments of cardiovascular surgery, manufacturers of cholesterol tests, medical implants and statins.....
Anyone advising on diet is essentially 'sharing their opinion' - we do not have unequivocal proof of whatever the optimal diet is. That said, we do know mixing high carb and high fat is probably not a good idea and being that fat is essential and carbs are not...hopefully you catch my drift
@@craggerrs what about WHOs claim about meat causing cancer? just their personal opinion? She Is not using a good scientific framework therefor She Is basically giving an opinion .
I went on the 'no oil' diet. Did not lose any weight, but my hair turned white and began to thin. Went back to using olive oil, and my hair got thicker and some color actually returned.
I've been vegan for ~14 years now with a cholesterol of 300+. Just ditched oil and focused on whole foods a few months ago and it dropped to below 200. Oil's great for your car.. not so much for your insides.
@@remusandrei7631 sure try saturated fats that has a direct correlation to heart disease (stroke and heart attacks). That's some great advice if you want to die. Do you want to try again? As what was said in the video... Eating any oils instead of butter will be better for you. But being better than butter is not a high bar to make. Oh wait, you want us to eat more butter? Yeah, try again please.
@@harrycecan9855 You won't die from eating saturated fats, I'm eating mostly saturated fats (95%) and my blood tests are perfect, no inflammation (C-Reactive Protein = 0.42 mg/l )very stable blood sugars, triglicerides are closer to the lower end. People have been eating saturated fats for thousand of years and they were healthier than now, How do you explain that after replacing the butter with margarine increased the heart disease in population? Everytime they try to replace something they end up poisoning the population PS: the real cause of heart disease is inflammation which is caused by high sugar levels, vegetable oils PS 2 : Even if you use drink vegetable oil in order to be used by the body it has to be converted to saturated fats
In the European cohort mentioned in Dr. Greger’s video, why didn’t he mention that they still found a modest reduction in CVD risk when adding olive oil to a Mediterranean diet even after controlling for dietary patterns? Meaning it seems to have provided an additional benefit. Not only that, but in the conclusion of the study, the authors say that their “findings back the need to preserve the culinary use of olive oil within the Mediterranean dietary tradition.” Seems misleading to have left this out of the video. Also, you only presented two studies with 10 participants that showed olive oil negatively impacting endothelial function. One of them only tested oils in deep frying conditions. The other one also found no adverse effect in endothelial function with canola oil. I feel like this should have been mentioned as well. Additionally, the meta-analysis that Abbey Sharp presented was a more recent systematic review and meta analysis (higher level evidence) and already included the cohort that Greger brought up. It had even more participants (over 100,000) and looked at case control, cohort, and intervention studies. It found that the available studies support an inverse association of olive oil consumption with stroke (and with stroke and CVD combined) but no significant association with CVD alone. Lastly, there was another more recent meta analysis and systematic review of randomized controlled trials (again higher level evidence) that looked specifically at olive oil and it’s effects on markers of inflammation and endothelial function. It found evidence that olive oil might exert beneficial effects on endothelial function as well as markers of inflammation. I am just very confused as to why you and Greger chose to only bring up these individual studies when we have meta analysis and systematic reviews that pool the results and have higher statistical power and significance??
And btw the meta analysis that looked at Olive oil and it’s effects on endothelial function and markers of inflammation included studies that measured FMD (flow mediated vasodilation) which Greger said is a better measure for endothelial function
Depends on what the study was comparing it to. Was it olive oil versus no oil or Olive oil versus all other oils? Still better to eat Whole olives than highly processed olive oil
@@mariaespiritu9512 the cohort I mentioned compared non consumers to consumers. Those in the highest quartile of olive oil consumption saw the largest decrease in risk. “Still better to eat whole olives than highly processed oil” Well that’s just an empirical claim you’d have to demonstrate. A lot of the CVD risk reduction benefits seems to come specifically from an increased consumption of MUFAS and PUFAS, both of which whole olives and olive oil contain. This is also a weird way to look at things. Olive oil can be preferable to whole olives for someone that is trying to gain weight and is having trouble consuming enough calories. Also, some people just simply don’t like olives but enjoy either drizzling their salads with some EVOO or cooking with OO. Like sure whole olives contains more nutrients and fiber, but if you are already obtaining those nutrients and fiber from elsewhere in your diet, then there’s nothing wrong with consuming olive oil either because you enjoy it, you want the extra calories, or you prefer to rely on it as one of your main sources of fat in the diet instead of olives
Your last comment was spot on! I used to like her but once I realised that her trauma from her eating disorder is skewing her ability to accept evidence based nutritional advice, I parted ways with her.
I haven't cooked with oil in about 5 years after hearing Dr Klaper's presentation on how olive oil paralyzed blood flow and I've been totally feeling the benefits of it! :) 💖
wth is wrong with this woman? i cant stand nutritionists. my friend who was a bit over weight was told by his nutritionist that he can eat whatever he wants as long as he eats 1500 calories a day. i shit you not. even McDonalds and coke, cake and whatever he wanted. i told him to fire her immediately. luckily he did.
I’m not a “Vegan” but I have for recently switched to plant based Whole Foods without added oil. I’m pretty short order I’ve had more energy (after an initial drop) and much less inflammation in my joints and all that. One big difference is that my usually insanely oily scalp is not oily anymore. From many perspectives, not good reason to switch back as I feel so much better in every way.
@@celifacejones I'm sure you don;t need me to tell that that will spike the living f out of your insulin levels and cause your long term health all kinds of hell
@@craggerrs Whaaattt? You mean a sugar butter mixture won't clear my arteries, clear my skin, cure depression, & fix climate change?! How sure are you about that, tho?
Dude seriously just thank you for you and what you do. I can’t image how much work and research you put into each and every one of these videos, so thank you. The world needs more videos based on science and hard facts. Before I found you I was vegan but very overweight. I’m 2 months on a mcdougal diet and 20 lbs down, no longer addicted to sugar, and have never felt better!
Thank you for making this video!! I cringed all the way through her video on oil.. especially having seen so much credible research supporting an oil-free diet for preventing and reversing heart disease.
I do enjoy watching her videos, however, she does one thing that drives me nuts. Someone can be eating SO AMAZING all day and be getting enough of all their nutrients in a single day, but if they have one meal or snack with may not have a full days worth or a certain vitamin or nutrient she says that that meal or snack is lacking. Like... you don’t have to have calcium or protein or vitamin B in every single meal. As long as you’re getting normal amounts throughout the day to maintain a healthy amount then it’s fine. It’s just annoying how she expects every single meal someone eats to have every nutrient that they need.
Bailey Schneider Exactly. Most people eating no oil, are eating a whole foods plant based diet which means they get more nutrients than most people eating other diets. 🤣🤦🏻♀️
90% of people on this planet are mentally I’ll and delusional!! They will claim because their parents or grandparents eat olive oil and lived up to 80 years old so the oils much be healthy for them!!
Thanks for that mic. As a plant based or vegan person it took your videos to help me understand my diet to cut out all oils. I really had to pay attention to the ingredients!!
What frustrates me is that nobody ever defines “moderation”. What is moderate to one is excessive to another or indeed ridiculously strict. Numbers. We need hard numbers.
Basically... The further away your food looks from its original form, then the worse/less beneficial it is for you. I don't know why thats so hard to understand.
Because we've been brainwashed, socially shamed and marketed with the opposite. We self medicate with processed foods. It's hard for many of us to grasp this, unless it's pointed out to us. And often even then, still tough.
My van requires oil. So does my oil burning lamp. My body requires NO OIL. In my body, it lines my arteries with a thick gooey gluck sludge that makes me sick and miserable. No thanks, lady. I'm with Mic and Esselstyn. Thanks Mic.
honestly, i haven't seen any difference in not eating oil or salt, or sugar, or flour. pfft. i ate specfiically whole foods for a couiple years, and i was still depressed, miserable, and tired. my conclusion is that it does not matter. what matters is emotions, and if you have bad emotions, food won't touch it. so I went back to eating processed stuff because it's more enjoyable, and the only thing i notice is that i'm actually feeling pleasure for a change.
there’s a connection between gut health and depression eating whole foods doesn’t mean your gut microbiome is healthy, eating fermented foods and probiotics is what’s needed for healthy gut microbiome, taking antibiotics or other medication also negatively affects gut microbiome not just oils, salt, sugar and that you at least felt pleasure from eating processed stuff indicates that you didn’t flavor your meals when eating whole foods, there are tons of tips on how to flavor meals to enjoy whole foods and it’s true that mind and body is connected and emotions play a role on our health, but food and gut health also plays a role on mental health
I will never remove olive oil from my diet. I live in Italy where huge production of olive oil is made, we are literally covered with olive trees , it's just so good , It flow in my veins instead of blood .
Most also confuse oil free for fat free. A healthy person can eat whole foods with fats in it, the difference is just the freely absorbable macro nutrients, against the 'packaged' ones. (meaning in fiber)
You always give such great facts with reference. It just stops people who disbelieve what I say in there tracks. Thank you very much for being a modern day super hero!
been vegan for 5years mostly eat wholefoods, I incorporate abit of oil / plant based butter in one of my meals daily I struggle with putting & mantaining weight this helps a lot. my blood work cholesterol etc is great. I mean aren’t the plant foods we are eating not supposed to be reversing heart disease? Our body’s must be very useless then if a tiny bit of oil would kill us, that Is ridiculous tbh especially when your diet is mostly WFPB
Mic, thank you for being a voice of reason on RUclips! I've done two years of the three year long Dietitian program at Umeå University in Sweden. I know that a licensed dietitian is not allowed to say "anything" if they want to keep their license. In my humble oppinion, Abbey Sharp is threading on thin ice. I wish other registered dieticians would have the balls to call her out officially. I'm especially bothered by her strange bias against fruit since we should all eat AT LEAST 0,5 kg (=1,1 pound) of fruits, berries and veggies per day. She should really be reprimanded for telling people not to eat fruit, or to eat "less" fruit, and also for recommending people to eat processed meatproducts that contain carcinogenic substances (she did that in at least on video). As a dietitian Abbey must have learned about the benefits of a plant based diet. It is not okay for a licensed dietitian to recommend people to cut out the healthy food groups, and to eat more of the processed crap that has been thoroughly proven to be unhelathy.
I think it could help to go by how you feel. It is so clear to me that I feel pretty bad after eating oil. I had to cut it first to gauge that, but wow it is undeniable that it makes me feel terrible. So why eat it?
I eat like shit, I hope she makes my RUclips channel blow up lol. I still eat oil but I never recommend it or try to act like it's good for you, I agree that it's like sugar. I don't want heart disease, so I honestly think I'm gonna try oil-free again. I already have your oil-free cookbook, so it shouldn't be too bad - thanks for the video. Loving the blue background by the way!
Here I am supposed to be studying for exams and wasting more time debunking this BS 0:23 - I would not declare cutting out oil 100% reverses heart disease based on a study done by Esselstyn that wasn't controlled at all, subjects were on statins as well. Hasn't been replicated either, so it can't be included in a meta-analysis. 0:40 Her review of Derek Simnett was very positive, as he is honest and not a bullshit talker. She also suffered from orthorexia, which has been linked to elimination diets, hence why she reviews their diets to try and help them, not judge them (strawman argument). 1:14 If you were to cut oil out completely, you wouldn't be able to eat out and socialize with people once in a while, which could give you psychological issues 1:35 I would say going oil-free is a result of misinformation, not an eating disorder. Problem is people eat too much, not a little as recommended by every health organisation. 2:18 poly/monounsaturated oils are a rich source of vitamin E and K, which acts as an antioxidant the same way vitamin C and A do. So it's not equal, but actually healthier than added sugar in that context with small servings. 3:00 Based on a study that wasn't controlled, you lose marks in your assignment! 3:50 Participants were given 60mL of oil for 541kcal per meal. No exercise either, so their elevated lipid markers were most likely result of weight gain in general, not just oil alone. Study also reported no significant correlation of triglycerides and fibromuscular dysplasia. 4:45 A study of only 14 people from 1955 and wasn't controlled. Tested 4 hours after a meal for chylomicrons, which are repackaged in your liver via the lymphatic system as HDL/VLDL/LDL. Hence why fasted blood tests give more accurate lipid markers than measuring plasma lipids before it even enters your blood. 5:00 "Heavy meals" can include anything calorie dense, not just oil, ever heard of large portions in general? 5:15 A pilot study, in case you didn't know, is a test run for a study to determine whether it's worth doing. Another study 2-4 hours after eating measuring chylomicrons, shake my head. Not quack science as you claim, just weak science (another strawman fallacy). 5:45 Plant-based diets according to the author included Mediterranean and DASH, which contain low/moderate meat and unsaturated oil intake. No mention of vegan diets (Ornish is vegetarian and includes exercise and stress management) and also states that there is conflicting evidence implicating meat with heart failure. 5:55 Esselstyn's poor study again *circus music plays til 6:50. I'll give you credit for admitting to the lack of controls. 6:50 Suggests dietary interventions in general, not just diet, are required at a young age. N mention of oil. 7:20 Appeal to nature fallacy. We didn't have vaccines 10,000 years ago either. 7:45 She didn't mention anything about reversing heart disease. No good evidence proves you can reverse heart disease without oil, you can only possibly treat it and stop it from worsening. 8:48 So what's wrong with the study? 9:20 She's not shaming people, just trying to stop the spread of misinformation. 9:36 ORAC was shelved in 2012 due to only being tested on petri dishes, not in vivo, as well as being misleading indicators of antioxidant capacity. 10:23 Oh boy ! 11:30, a-tocopherols (antioxidants, precursor to vit. E) is what EVOO is high in, not polyphenols. 12:50 The study stated the oil group consumed 50g EVOO per day, yet did best. 13:05 What Skeletor (Greger) didn't mention is that he whited out the line before that sentence which reads "Although the EPIC-Greece study, did not find a significant association between each 21 g/d increment in olive oil and mortality in MI patients, there was a significant (18%) reduction in mortality patients with a high MUFA:SFA ratio. Differences in study designs and adjustment for confounding variables are likely to contribute to the differences in the magnitude of effect observed between studies." Propaganda at its best! 15:00 Your HDL featured many old studies, yet recent meta-analyses on low to moderate egg consumption when calories are matched show no risk for stroke or heart disease. 15:07 Increasing HDL doesn't treat heart disease (torcetrapib was taken off the market due to mortality increase), statins work by blocking HMG CoA Reductase, a liver enzyme that produces cholesterol. 15:20 Based on a cohort study that didn't control for calories, exercise or other lifestyle factors. In a 2019 follow-up to the EPIC Oxford, Vegetarians had higher risk of stroke, with fish eaters coming out on top. 18:00 The strawman ticker is off the charts. She was trying to say excess calories makes you fat, not just fat! Most recipes call for 1-2tbsp of oil to serve 4-6, not just one meal! Greece is the biggest olive oil consuming country in the world, with a growing obesity rate of 22% of the total population, with one of the reasons being a poor adherence to the Mediterranean diet (more fast food). Even still, it is only the 54th most obese country in the world per capita. 19:15 If they consumed less calories and exercise more compared to the nuts and low fat group, yes, eating more oil but less overall calories and exercising more will lead to weight loss, that's not ridiculous! 19:42 The BROAD study made the vegan group exercise twice a week for the first 12 weeks (control group didn't), hence the rapid weight loss in the first 3-6 months in the vegan group followed by a plateau or rise in weight thereafter, whereas the control group plateaued throughout most of the duration of the study. They watched, Forks Over Knives (a pro-vegan film), which would have influenced them to continue with the diet. Participants weren't blinded either. 21:07 You're speculating, none of those studies suggested that whole plant consumption was the reason and most of them controlled for that anyway. 21:20 a-tocopherol concentration in blueberries has 24mg/kg vs EVOO - 100-200mg/kg. They also protect against oxidative stress of fats in cell membranes, not just polyphenols. 21:30 Based off the uncontrolled trial, we're all saved! I'll take the PREDIMED, at least it was controlled. 21:45 No studies prove that veganism cures erectile dysfunction, you're most likely to cure it via medications or psychological means. 21:50 Oil-free vegan eating is not a "powerful tool", as it seems like you're basing this of a uncontrolled trial and an RCT with unfair exercise tweaks which were apparent in the 2nd half of the trial. With that logic, Trump is right and HCQ would cure COVID-19. 21:55 Exactly! Esselstyn's trial has not been replicated so we can't hold it to a pedestal. 22:20 Her job involves saving lives and improving people's health and eating disorders... 22:40 You can't cure heart disease, you can only treat it. 22:50 This "powerful tool" of oil-free vegan eating can be really restrictive and hard to adhere to, hence why Meditteranean or DASH style eating is very flexible with choice and encourages recipes based on whole foods with a little olive oil if need be. Easily the longest fact-check I have ever done, go back to school and learn some critical thinking. Uncontrolled trial by Esselstyn (states this on p. 3) onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1520-037X.2001.00538.x Link between orthorexia and elimination diets www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1471015315300362 Study that gave participants 60mL of oil per meal (541kcal) sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.numecd.2005.08.008 ORAC withdrawn by the USDA in 2012 www.nutraceuticalsworld.com/contents/view_online-exclusives/2012-06-21/orac-database-withdrawn/ Michael Greger's sneaky editing of the paper he cited (p.4) pdfs.semanticscholar.org/3cf1/d52ddc800d4fdc89eaf65c361b6a5619d7da.pdf 2016 meta-analysis shows 1-2 eggs a day shows no increased risk of CVD and stroke www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2016.1152928?journalCode=uacn20 Statins can lower cholesterol by reducing cholesterol producing enzymes, NOT BY RAISING HDL www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/in-depth/statins/art-20045772 Vegetarians had higher risk of stroke compared to fish eaters www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l4897 22% obesity rate in Greece linked to low adherence to Mediterranean diet www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6009074/ Greece ranked 54th in most obese country in the world obesity.procon.org/global-obesity-levels/ Supplement table 1 from the BROAD study showing weight loss and plateau patterns static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fnutd.2017.3/MediaObjects/41387_2017_BFnutd20173_MOESM250_ESM.pdf 2014 systematic review and meta-analysis of cohorts showing reduction of cardiovascular risk, mortality and stroke from olive oil/MUFA consumption www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4198773/
15:00 why does it matter if it’s old? That alone is irrelevant. You’d need to justify why that matters. Genetic studies and clinical trials don’t support raising HDL for CVD endpoints. Did the authors of that paper stratify serum cholesterol? They note that dietary cholesterol has a modest effect on serum cholesterol.
@@ucchi9829 Thanks for your reply, some decent points. I will only clarify those timestamps you pointed out as I'm assuming we both agree with everything else. 3:50 several studies have shown that simply being in a calorie surplus (gaining weight) regardless of the food source or diet leads to poorer health and test results. If you exercise, you burn calories. This was clearly an overfeeding study as they didn't state the participants' TDEE, just their calorie intake of 1859kcal p/day as well as 60mL/3tbsp of oil per day, a huge amount for a BMI of 21.9. If they had exercised throughout the study to burn calories, the results wouldn't have been as bad (under the Methods section, it states that they refrained from exercising throughout the study). As I stated, triglycerides and fibromuscular dysplasia weren't significantly affected anyway. 15:00 Using more recent studies is usually what is considered more accurate, as meta-analyses of RCT's can control for more variables and increase sample size with the same study design, therefore increasing hypothesis power. The Forest plot of the study states that the summary relative risk estimates of 7/10 pooled studies are in favour of no increased risk of heart disease and stroke. He used a lot of studies that either haven't been replicated or are cohorts, hence why they probably don't get included in metas. Genetic high cholesterol can't be treated a great deal, more fibre and less saturated fat in the diet may help. I stated later that simply raising HDL isn't the way to treat heart disease. Yes, dietary cholesterol may have a modest effect on serum cholesterol, but as long as your dietary cholesterol doesn't fluctuate much at baseline, it has very little effect. Low DC at baseline with high DC consumption later = massive effect on SC. High DC at baseline with high DC later = little effect on SC. This is known as the Hegsted equation. 15:07 Watch the video again. Mic makes a strawman argument as Abbey stated raising the HDL:LDL ratio of your total cholesterol is what is considered healthier. He then states that taking meds that simply increase HDL levels are supposed to decrease heart disease risk. That's not how you improve cholesterol levels if you're suffering from heart disease as I clearly stated a source that states the mechanism on how statins work (not by raising HDL) and how dangerous HDL raising medications are, hence the sale of them is banned. Seems like an important point as he made a bad point and a false claim. 15:20 Good point. The authors of the 2013 study suggest that vegans had lower cholesterol levels due to a lower BMI, replacement of saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats, and higher fiber intakes. I mentioned the 2019 follow-up with vegetarians because there is very limited data in the EPIC study on vegans post-2013 and I wanted to make a point that simply eating animal foods in small amounts won't simply make your cholesterol worse. Remember, cohort studies don't control for other non-diet related variables such as genetics, exercise and socioeconomic factors. I can only assume that the vegans in the 2013 study were healthier overall, it may not have just been because of their diet.
I like both of your videos (Abbeys mostly for the mental healing) and I am vegan, but I have struggled with a variety of eating disorders and I'm still recovering... I do feel like the ''oil free'' life is extremely triggering for people with Orthorexia especially. I am still trying to make peace with food so I get where she is coming from in that sense. Having said that I do agree with you on the science part. However, sometimes you have to putt your mental health first and put some oil on the damn veggies so you don't feel like you're punishing yourself for being fat by eating plain grass :D
Thank you! This was incredible. It was so hard to watch that video and hear so much misinformation. Not to mention every time Abbey does a vegan video hearing her misinformed opinions and judgment of being oil free. I wanted more than anything for someone like you to debunk it. Thank you!
I watch her videos a lot, I like her positivity and I do appreciate her openness to vegan diets. I get where she's coming from, given her history with disordered eating, but I think her advice is more beneficial to those who struggle with their relationship with food, rather than those searching for an optimal diet for health.
Yeah :) it's about acceptance with yourself for eating 'unhealthy' foods once in a while, it's not the end of the world unless your at an INCREADIBLY high risk of cvd
I'm SO GLAD this video got recommended! I have insulin resistance so I tried Keto which made me feel SO SICK and horrible, but I kept reading that you need more fat so I forced myself to eat more nuts, more oil in cooking etc. until recently I reduced the amount of oil I take and if I do get fat it tends to be from a few nuts (5 orso) or black olives, it just feels better but everytime I look information up everywhere it says that oil is important. I also recently found Abbey's channel and already saw a lot of people pointing out misinformation she spews around, and after this video I'm 100% sure that she's not worth my time. Great video! I'm personally not vegan but pescetarian but have recently started eating less fish aswell, and am planning to try some vegan omelette recipes and stuff to slowly become vegan, but I'm not forcing myself because of my ED, though this video made me even more excited to eventually become vegan :)
I love olive oil, but I mostly stopped using it after I started using cronometer. It just adds calories with little nutritional benefit. Removing olive oil means I can eat more healthy food and get those nutrient scores even higher while staying within my calorie budget.
Thank you for making that last point (ED vs heart disease in this discussion)! I will say one thing I've noticed over time is that maaaany people come to this way of eating primarily for weight loss. So this "diet" can cause some disordered thinking over time because of the restriction, especially when people arent losing the weight they want. There are many eating behaviors people in WFPB SOS free use that are similar or identical to those with anorexia to keep calories down and lose weight. Eating huge volumes of low calorie bland food being one. Oooor you could just eat a little bit less potatoes or rice with some broccoli... rather than eating a huge bowl of plain broccoli. The concept of decreasing portions is blasphemous and its very odd. I recently had to reintroduce a little salt in my meals because I was so defeated with all foods just sounding terrible thanks to all the "tricks", then guilty because I wasnt doing WFPB SOS free "correctly". Thank you Mic for the response, it's very useful!!
Dr. Esselstyn's Heart Disease Reversal Study has kept me living a great life. Seven years ago after having two heart attacks and bypass failing four months later before the second heart attack I began Dr. Esselstyn's no oil diet. Back to riding my bike, hiking, scuba, and living a normal life. As the Dr. says NO OIL, NO OIL.
What an overwhelmingly awful comment section. I love how a lot of people here seem to believe they live in a perfect world where poverty, food deserts and disordered eating just don't exist. A lot of you seem to think that by telling people oil is awful for you and to hell with anyone that says it can be consumed in moderation, you're actually helping anyone. You're not. The problem with demonising food is that you're not actually helping the vast majority of people who have poor eating habits. Socio-economic factors cannot be ignored when you're trying to get people to eat healthier. You have to be realistic about the trajectory of healthy eating and calling someone 'stupid' for not demonising a global cooking base that even the poorest of the poor have access to and is culturally prevalent in a lot of traditional dishes is unhelpful and quite frankly, short sighted. The vast majority of people have poor diets and telling them they need to cut out oil completely is not going to encourage them to change their diet, much like how trying to get the average person to go straight from a diet heavy with meat to a fully vegan diet is an unrealistic expectation. Nutritionists who take into account socio-economic and psychological relationships to food aren't your enemies. If YOU don't like their advice, it's obviously not for you. But the average Joe who eats a ton of fast food and processed snacks WILL benefit from someone with a more realistic view of food and the longevity of good eating versus short term gains that spiral out because they're not sustainable for the average person trying to create better food habits.
This is an utter strawman. I watch Abby's videos, she has never talked about intersectional issues like socioeconomics, food deserts, cultural sensitivity, etc. Her entire framework is based on eating disorders, which Mic has emphasized that this diet is NOT targeting. This diet isn't for everyone, it's specifically for those who choose to use it for disease-prevention or disease-reversal. He literally emphasizes this. The critiques are focused on Abby's diet-shaming. She is undermining the hundreds of research papers that reinforce the basis of a no-oil diet. Vegans who eat this way choose this path for personal reasons, and may educate others on those reasons, but I personally have never had anyone force it on me. I have reduced my oil-intake bc of the research, but I still use it in true moderation. I've lived in a food desert and while going vegan was hard, it wasn't impossible. Most people in food deserts have vehicles and bus passes to buy health food. I didn't have a vehicle, yet I would walk for an hour or take the bus with my foldable shopping cart & backpack. I would shop on the weekends and make the effort to prep & cook my meals at home. I've been vegan for nearly a decade, I reach my 9 year Veganniversary in a week. I'm still in the lowest income bracket, and yet I'm still eating plant foods. My father had a stroke at 30, and he was brain-dead for 3 years in a coma, until a fever took him at 33. Brain aneurysms are genetic, and they have a 20% survival rate. I REFUSE to end up like my dad, his condition was traumatic for us.
where is your rant about people demonizing sugar and all carbs? poorest of the poor have access to grains yet there are masses of privileged westerners demonizing grains and telling people to eat grass fed beef
BOOM! You said it!! Her old eating disorder completely blinds her... it's sad. And upsetting. She is being irresponsible putting out bad information for money... I'm sick of her.
Thanks Mic (I was waiting for your response on that)! I do watch her vegan WIEIAD reviews (because I find them fun), *but* I always have to leave a dislike at the end of the video, because she *ALWAYS* criticizes when someone eats "too much fruit", "not enough protein" - and the worst thing - NO OIL! 🙀 🙄 She always talks about fat, protein, carbohydrates and calories, but she unfortunately consistently fails to mention other important things like saturated fat, cholesterol, processed foods, etc., which is a damn shame, because she's supposed to be a registered dietitian and I therefore would expect that one would talk about such things as well!
People who go to restaurants and order vegan, often are still getting oil. I may order 2 veggie sides for a meal and often feel and taste oil. I have even requested no oil and the waitress will say the food was prepared earlier in the day with oil so that's the way it comes.
Abbey lost family members to heart disease so we should listen to her instead of actual doctors and studies that prove the correlation of oils and damaging to the endothelium.
Anything can be a part of disordered eating or restriction. As someone who has suffered with an eating disorder, i used to tell people i was vegan but really, it was just an excuse to eat less calories. But now that I’ve recovered, I use veganism to fuel my body and get all of my nutrients and calories from plants. Everyone is different, and what may be restrictive for one person won’t be for another.
good for you, but the statement “everyone is different” is a very dangerous one, as it can - and many time has - been misused and misconstrued by rejecting that a whole-foods plants-only diet works for some but not for others; Mike even responded to such claims (multiple times) with “no, we are not lions, zebras, gorillas, crocodiles, bears, ...”, meaning, we (humans) are all herbivores, not carnivores or even omnivores, so a balanced whole-foods plants-only diet will have the same medicinal results for 99.9% of all humans, just like living on consuming a SAD will have the same results
@@themax2go I eat a whole-food plants based diet; but this is something that a lot of ‘hardcore' ideological vegans ignore. There are a lot of "herbivores" in the animal kingdom that eat tiny amounts of animal proteins. Take frugivores from many dominant monkey and ape species. Gorillas don't kill big animals, but they regularly eat small animals (mainly insects). Despite the fact that this constitutes far less than 0.1% of their food/calories, it's still a bug here or there, if not on a daily basis, eat least a weekly one. In chimpanzees, up to 6% of the food may be animal matter. ... Gorillas eat different insect species in different regions; there may even be traditions in prey choice. So even though we are herbivores, if some range between 1 out of 1000 meals (maybe once a year for a person) to up to 6 out of 100 meals (maybe eating meat a couple times a month); we could still be herbivores AND eat some small amounts of animal protein without any major adverse health effects (or even ecological problems, provided that our animal proteins did not come from factory farms sources).
Obviously, the SAD is a sad excuse for a human diet, but it's equally true that hardcore vegan dogma isn't exactly "natural" either. We should all just mostly eat a whole-food plants based diet, and accept that an egg here, a piece of fish there... It just isn't a cardinal sin / crime that people need to feel guilty about. Just saying this as someone who is vegan in all but name/ideology...
Maxfieldization Well said and true in itself, yet it’s missing the point of that a
1. no-added oil,
2. sufficiently supplemented (meaning, as individually medically assessed and necessary),
3. adequately diverse (“eating the rainbow”) including nuts and seeds (as one’s health allows - allergies),
4. whole-foods,
5. plants-only,
6. high-carb,
7. low-to-moderate protein diet,
8. combined with a physically active lifestyle -
All of that has been medically concluded to be the main ingredient of a long and healthy lifestyle. Obviously, there’s also mental health part of that, and part of it is not to stress out of having eaten some eggs or animal corpse piece by accident or due to cravings or possible social circumstance (no other adequately caloric-dense food was available - and social pressure is IMO not a viable reason); however, speaking about mental health and thus psychology: cravings for corpse pieces / tortured flesh should not exist in the first place, if you are what is considered mentally sane. See, you were cutting out the other two aspects of veganism (which I wasn’t even talking about, veganism that is, I was talking about a whole-foods plants-only diet), which are of the environmental and ethical subjects; the health aspect is one’s only responsibility and thus you are absolutely correct that is one’s choice alone, however, the environmental and ethical implications are not, as the environmental effect of animal agriculture, factory farming or not, is a major issue for EVERYONE, and the ethical aspect of course for those sentient being’s who you kill or pay for to be killed and in most cases involves rape and torture too; however, there’s now a fourth aspect that’s come to light to veganism, which is the social-health impact due to that every pneumatic diseases has been caused due to animal agriculture, and in light of the danger of antibiotic resistance and superbugs, the death and destruction these have caused so far is nothing compared to what’s to come, if medical scientists are correct in their predictions.
So yes, unfortunately, everyone who eats corpses and secretions from sentient beings needs to be educated and if they refuse to change, then publicly exposed as such and shamed.
Veganism actually gave me a reason to eat. I went from being scared of eating at all to packing on the calories from veggies and fruits.
@@themax2go humans aren't herbivores lmao we're omnivores. what we have actually evolved to eat is COOKED food. you won't get much out of raw rice OR out of raw pork.
My partner has heart issues
I have type 2 diabetes
We swapped to a largely Esselstyn oil free vegan diet
We have both had significant weight loss
My partner has cut the heart medication considerably
I no longer need to take the heavy medications for type 2 diabetes
My BMI is within the normal range - for the first time since I was a teenager
And that is a long time ago LOL
My no oil / high whole food carb diet seems to be very beneficial
For both of us and we will continue on it.
yes, mixing high carb and high fat is a problem for heart health. The mistakes vegans make is to blame fat (or often even blaming animal foods) when fat is crucial for hormonal balance - opting for high carb over high fat is a terrible long term plan but I wish you all the best.
@@craggerrs no oil WFPB Vegans still eat fat 🤦
@@Raven.13 Exactly. And with no problem, because it's from whole plant foods.
@@craggerrs 200g split peas, 200g quinoa, 200g tofu, 3 mangos gives you pretty much all the essential fatty acids you need... play around because i didnt waste time finding exact numbers.
without the artery clogging ,diabetes causing,kidney destroying animal products .
🙏🏻😘
I agree that oil isn't great and appreciate your in-depth research. As someone who has fallen into severely restrictive eating habits in the past, I've found the best balance for me is to eat a primarily whole-foods-based diet, but also enjoy oil or products containing oil in from time to time. That being said, I have no complicating health issues and try to stick to healthy lifestyle habits.
Also, as a content creator, it's a little frustrating to have a channel make profit of *your* work and judge your diet off of ONE single day of eating...and then create a space for her viewers to talk negatively about you in the comments. I think we should focus on spreading facts and positivity, and while Abbey does a generally good job of not being outright rude or overly judgmental, I'm still not a fan of her growth strategy and therefore refuse to watch her videos.
Yeah I really wish oil free eating wasn't a double edged sword that helps so much with heart disease but can play into disordered eating. It is strange that we can have problems removing a food that didn't even really exist a few thousand years ago. Also as for her growth strategy, it is fundamentally parasitic and relies of her acting nice so people feel less guilty about judging others. I don't know her personally but I get the vibe that she doesn't act like she does on camera in real life when talking about vegans. Who knows.
This 💜
Caitlin Shoemaker deep research lmao. How about denialism.
Urghh, she is passive aggressive & allows others to be negative and comments in response to them, encouraging so. If she doesn’t like someone eating a vegan diet & not eating enough fats (for the day) she’ll say they have a eating disorder & that she is triggered by it personally 🙄. She also mentions that she is not paid as a dietician to promote meat & dairy industry, yet never has commented on the influence that those industries have had on Governments, Education, Media & Health Professionals! I’ve done a diplomas in both Nutrition & Vegan Nutrition and the difference is vast!
@@MictheVegan Hate getting personal but yup. I'm probably a bit older than she and would never refer to myself as a brand, ok 'nuff said -- I love most of all the preponderance of your videos about disseminating information.
”Abbey Sharp likes those sharp abbies” I DIED
But not on her body, Derek*clearly has orthorexia and she wouldn't want to get anywhere near that!
This is the comment I came searching for ☀️
I subscribed 😌
This is your brain on a whole foods diet.
me tooooo! i always hit the like button of course, but that was the line that made me smash it today lmao
I'm usually avoiding oil as well, but I'm not restricting myself. I still go to restaurants (well, at least when there's no pandemic going on), bake cakes with vegan butter and sometimes eat a bit of vegan cheese or other oil containing things. But normal cooking without oil is absolutely no problem. Don't need it for salad dressings, frying vegetables, self-made hummus or pretty much anything else.
This is pretty much me as well! I rarely use oil in my weekly meal preps and I am not afraid to eat it at restaurants and use vegan butter to bake, so I in no way feel like I am restricting myself. If I for some reason really want to make a dish with oil then sure, I have it on hand, but 90% of the time it isn't something I miss cooking with.
yes, same - i do eat processed foods that contain oil, i have absolutely no issue with it, my cholesterol is very low so for me it's not an issue to consume some here and there, i think in (very low) moderation it's fine to eat them here or there, but most days i don't consume any and i avoid them, too. i think this is a good approach to be honest, that way you can still enjoy some of the things you like (like going out to eat, eating this or that cake) without getting too much health-wise
Hey, that sounds really reasonable. Do you have an easy oil free salad dressing recipe, because I seem to be unable to get this right :D
@@kichelmoon6365 I highly recommend the recipes and guides from Simnett Nutrition (here on RUclips). Derek usually mixes some kind of nut butter (or avocado) with something sweet (like dates or maple syrup), something sour (like vinegar or lemon juice) and something salty (like miso paste, soy sauce etc.). Mustard, herbs and spices, ginger and other ingredients are great as well. Just find out what you like or look at Derek's RUclips channel for some full recipes. :D
I've struggled with oil free salad dressing myself, but especially using nut butter changed a lot for me! :)
@@Lysinda1000 Nut butter, that sounds exactly like the solution to my problem! Thanks for the great writeup, I'll save that :)
2.5 years on Esselstyn's diet (although not under the care of Dr. Esselstyn). I am one of the many who have reversed heart disease.
Carl Baum congratulations! That’s is a wonderful accomplishment! ❤️
are you open to the idea that it is the fact that you cut out Seed Oils that helped you, rather than cutting out stable saturated fats like coconut, butter, and tallow? Heart disease only rose when seed oils came out. Before that, oils were an anomaly.
@@abandonmodernity8120 Show me a paper like Esselstyn's papers that demonstrate reversal of heart disease on the diet you suggest. Even if it is possible that seed oils are worse than certain saturated fats (which a ton of papers contraindicate), that doesn't mean you can reverse heart disease with such a diet.
CONGRATS!!! That's amazing!
@@abandonmodernity8120
I'm not open for the idea, because we have facts and evidence that pretty much say that your idea is wrong.
But nice try.
Why don't we call eating fast food an eating disorder?
Yes!!!!! Actually there is a Name for that: Food 'additive' Addiction.
Sugar is 8 Times more addictive than cocaine.
I think anyone agrees that fast food is trash
@@adorable3817 Sugar is not 8 times more addictive than cocaine. That's a ridiculous claim dude.
Perla Serrano HAAAAAAA! I love it!,,,
Yes!
It's so cute how she does air quotes while saying _injures the endothelium_
Ikr, all these people who are "dead" from heart disease, don't listen to them.
@French blue8 Very, very well said, discrediting a highly acclaimed researcher and physician is worse than impersonating a medical professional or plagiarism.
Must be tough not saving lives
@French blue8 I think she just doesn't want to admit that oil may not be the health food she believes it is, like most people. It's a bit of dissonance.
@Peter the Sarcastic Rabitt lol 🤦🏾. So that's her motivation, avoiding doing anything that reminds her of an eating disorder
Sounds like she's just trying to appeal to her audience by telling them good things about their bad habits.
She's trying to appeal to her sponsors by delivering good news about their bad products.
Yes, Dr McDougall's quote is true
Yeah like veganism
@@ImNotCallingYouALiar Yeah because big broccoli is paying all the vegan influencers to push a high vegetable diet 😏
She is just ready to lie for the viewsssss, she sold her soul to success, TRUTH WILL PREVAIL haha 👊
I like Dr Greger's analogy, if it is unhealthy to smash your thumb with an hammer, it doesn't make sense to smash it once a week or once a month in "moderation".
Meh, you could say sure hitting your thumb once a month isn't going to warp or completely render you thumb useless but doing it 3 times a day without any time to heal will fuck up your thumb big time.
Sweeping statements, they never work.
@@CarmenxSullivan LOL, nice reply!
The thing is that "smashing your thumb with a hammer" is nothing like eating junk food. There's an enjoyability factor that makes it easy to ignore the imperceptible & underlying harm caused by poor eating habits. The analogy that I personally use is "Anti-freeze is poisonous to drink. So although it is temptingly sweet, nobody is crazy enough to harm themselves by drinking it. This same logic should apply to junk food."
Very good once again. They say of certain people, "He's a national treasure'. Well I think you're an international treasure. Videos like this one, so many of your videos, are very important in clearing up misinterpretations, misrepresentations etc. The image with blueberries and tablespoon of oil was striking. I shall share it when I share the video link soon.
Best wishes, more power to Mic the vegan's mike, camera, analytical skills, speaking skills, public spirited and animal concerned fervour, indefatigable energy and guts. 👍😊.
Thanks for the exceedingly kind words.
@@MictheVegan you're most welcome. 😊
@@MictheVegan Totally accurate though! You are an international treasure! ;)
I don't think it's good to stop eating a food because of its caloric density. Not a good mindset. Health should be what we're always striking for,and vigin olive oil (trsutworthy %100 virgin oil) is incredibly beneficial. Us people with amediterranean diet consider it liquid gold and we have it every day and stay healthy, live long and for those who care, lean.
Really nice, deserving praise here!!
Good man! That woman knows ZERO about healthy eating. How can avoiding oil be “overly restrictive”? It’s not a real food?!?!
Joseph Matthews facepalm
@Joseph Matthews because it's your opinion that capitalism is unethical. It's not an objective truth the same way murder is unethical.
@@scrungo7610 I second your facepalm.
Joseph Matthews get off RUclips, get off your phone, both are products of a capitalistic system. Practice what your preach. If it weren’t for capitalism, I would’ve never heard about a vegan diet. Thanks to RUclips, I have access to vegans and videos that exposed animal cruelty to me. Capitalism is probably the greatest weapon vegans have.
@Joseph Matthews Why do you intersectionalists try and take the 1 cause dedicated for the animals and make it about yourselves? You think animals get treated better in communist China? Making veganism about some political ideology rather than the animals is the opposite of what people should do.
Avoiding oil is restrictive yet Abbey restricts fruit. People are not dying of oil deficiencies, they are dying of heart disease and obesity-related diseases. Over 70 million Americans are obese and 99 million are overweight and at the same time they are severely deficient in both fiber AND fruit. "Not eating enough fruit is our #1 dietary risk.” -Dr. Greger
Fully agree, oil is the processed fat sibling of sugar, which itself is totally processed carbohydrate
Where does she say to restrict fruit?
I don’t remember her ever restricting fruit.
Seed oils are a part of the CV issue because of their highly inflammatory ratio of omega 6. Plus, they're highly processed compared to coconut oil, olive oil and butter. If used from their natural environment and not for cooking, it's alive just like honey. Cook or heat it, you kill it, the same with honey. It is the transference of the life frequency that is healthy in eating fruit. You must eat alive to stay alive.
Grains are poisonous. Rice might be the better choice of any grain because they are so far off their original before becoming GMO. I believe India beat out Monsanto and has a true unmodified rice.
Meat is good if fresh, wild killed.
The whole vegan thing from Dr. Barnard is all about PETA. Dr. Gregor has a video talking about seed oils and the reason vegans live 5 years less than their carnivores across the aisle.
Both sides will argue they have survived by going vegan or carnivore coming from the SAD Standard American Diet. Bottom line: exercise must be included along with a form of meditation or good sleep. When people have followed my recommendation, a 180 change or a complete turn around.
Think about how our most recent ancestors from just 100 years ago. Very few were overweight and chronically sick.
no????
She won't try to debunk you because she can't. It would be hilarious to watch her try though...
Yes!!!!! Gaaaw, she's so painfully oblivious - maybe stupid or just clueless?! Somehow a perfect candidate for FOX News!!!
Haha yes
She just gives her opinions and is clearly anti vegan. Doesn't provide any facts at all.
@@G-rig6969 ....and people follow and probably listen to her 🙈🙄
@@adorable3817 that's the problem, the spreading of misinformation.
Derek already said eats whole foods at least 80-90% of the time and there is likely to be some oil used in processed foods and eating out so no need cooking with it. Occasionally may not hurt and don't want to develop an eating disorder being too strict
22:40 This question for Abbey really nails it down! Her own fear of her past ''orthorexic'' self is the reason why she isn't vegan. So sad to witness...
@Hunter Why do you think vegan diet is unhealthy? Give me your arguments and I'll tell you how much I can comply...
Yes. She projects her orthorexic self into everyone else. Sounds like she’s still suffering.
@@Carcarfranklin Projection indeed.
There’s little that grinds my gears as much as the term ‚in moderation‘, because what does that even mean?? Literally anything and everything you want it to 🤦♀️
The error there is called "the golden mean fallacy". Here's a funny explanation: explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/690:_Semicontrolled_Demolition
AKA "middle ground fallacy" yourlogicalfallacyis.com/middle-ground
Psychologically, I think it's just lazy smart people who think they can "figure out" complex problems by averaging clear extremes; it makes them feel better, more empowered. It's also part of a conservative and even regressive worldview, as it's a way to pretend to do progress.
Sure, people can call anything "in moderation". That doesn't mean that it's not a useful term. You drink too little water - bad. Too much - bad. The right amount (i.e. in moderation) - good. Same with calories, sunlight, physical activity, sleep, etc. I would say in moderation is any amount that is not harmful, or whose downsides are less than the benefits to you personally.
"Moderation kills." - Caldwell Esselstyn
Carl Baum that’s a great quote. A lot of people think they’re being moderate until they end up with a diet related health problem. It’s easy to think you’re being moderate, when the whole world is extreme.
What about "balance" yuck
Aww, don’t be putting down your hot body, comparing yourself to Derek. Extreme muscularity is not a prerequisite for an attractive body. Moreover, I’m sure there are about as many people mesmerized by your eyes as there are people drooling over Derek’s abs.
exactly. extreme muscular/athletic body is beautiful but it doesn't mean a slender/fit body or average is not. good diet and a bit of work out occasionally is more than enough :)
you got so easily baited into complimenting him lol
mazgaron Even if that was the intent, paying a compliment doesn’t cost me anything. I’m not mad about it. 😘
Rosa H agreed. I go weak at the knees over blue eyed men. Mic certainly has lovely eyes that’s for sure!
Rosa H for me It’s always been more about the shape of someone’s eyes or expression (like an intense gaze) that did it for me. I never understood being drawn in by the color.
I agree. Different people like different things. I have a friend that loves strong muscular backs. I could care less about muscles even though I love fitness myself lol
I USED to be afflicted with gout, hypertension and, hyperglycemia. With in the first year of a whole food plant based diet I got my first clean bill of health. The doctor literally said: oh my god, you're no longer dying, how did you do that.
When I told him how I ate he went from shock to worry. He said I am going to die from malnourishment.
That was YEARS ago. The doctor is obese to this day.
Typical ignorant doctor who doesn't have a clue about nutrition.
@@Springfairy92 If the doctor is not a dietitian than i just assume that their medical edu doesn"t extend to diet. I dont even trust most nutritionists.
🤣🤣🤣
@@phrostedbaron yeah, my aunt's sister is a nutritionist and she frowned upon my vegan diet saying I need oil. Thats was the only thing she complained about 🤔 funny...
@@mars9399 thats shocking. Oil is so saturated with fat. Its like begging for disease. Even if you've shown them proof that their wrong.
I was a borderline "overweight vegan" so like technically if I gained 2 pounds I would fall into an overweight BMI. I couldnt understand why. I was eating plant based minimally processed foods. So I saw an RD who looked at my diet and said I was over doing it on healthy fats and oil. I feel like it's a conversation that is pushed under the rug a lot. Thank you for this video.
When I was a freshman in university I went to a blood bank to donate my blood plasma. Once I ate spaghetti carbonara before I went there. The blood plasma was a white sludge instead of a clear liquid. They threw it in the garbage. Should make you wonder why they basically threw away money if you believe fat in the blood has no negative impact.
Sounds scientific. Reminds me a bit of anti-vaxer and flat-earth rhetoric.
@@godsofwarmaycry apparently it went over your head that this was an anecdote... Repeating the science regarding fat and artery function in the comment section of this channel seemed repetitive to me.
Blood banks do tell you not to eat high fat meals before donating plasma. Doesn't mean that you are required to generally eat low fat
middle ground: oil is not necessarily a health food but also evidence of refined oils causing CVD is not strong enough to determine a direct causation. Monounsaturated fats like Olive Oil could be classified as a healthier alternative for the general population but not healthier than the whole food. Oils can make plant food more palatable increasing plant food intake but excess oil can cause weight issues due to excess calories intake. The no oil movement can further reinforce restrictive eating behaviours and anxious feeling around food for those that suffer from Orthorexia,
Preach, dude
The funny thing is that this is basically what Abby Sharp video is saying..
@@nobel356 idk bro but the no oil movement messed with my head in the past to the point where I would get terrible anxiety if I would see anybody using oil when cooking, forced my girlfriend ditching oil and fighting with my parents, telling them they are killing themselves if they cook with oil. Also the no oil movement kinda forget to mention that fat is still an essential macronutrient and need to be replaced with every meal if you ditch oil which I crearly didn't do. Orthorexia is real shit
Yes!!!
I feel like this is the first comment I read here which is neither the "oil is HEALTHY" nor the "she is funded by the meat Industrial and oil will kill you" but a kind of balanced approach to this topic.
I mean Abby as well as Mic has their own background of experiences so they'll always have a different point of view. Nobody will ever truly be objective. And I feel like a lot of the people here forget that we are not all exactly the same. Every body is a little bit different and everyone has to find their own way. Eating no oil can be restricitive if you feel that way. As well as no oil can increase the life quality of others. And that's okay.
In my opinion it's important to inform about the impacts oil can have but at the same time sending the message that if you don't experience bad effects while consuming oil (in a not excessive way!) you don't have to feel guilty about it.
I always feel full when I start my morning breakfast with 400 calories of existential horror 20:20
When you don't eat oil as much or cut it out completely for a while you lose the taste for it and it becomes gross and heavy. Which is something Derek has mentioned in his videos on why he doesn't care for added oil. Seems like it would be more unhealthy if you force yourself to eat something that you are grossed out by just because it is touted to be a health food.
Thank you, Mike! Abbey’s was really very emotional and not very science-based. I also have the feeling that she is more afraid of orthorexia than heart disease. However, heart disease is the number one killer in the western population!
Only halfway through the video and I have to pause it to say: Mic, you crushed it! Great debunking not only of this dietitian’s claims but also of olive oil. It’s really problematic that so many people still think that it is a health food.
Disagree
Olive oil IS HEALTHY..
You all are dangerous.
@@paolarosichetti4056 Healthy is sort of a vague word. It usually doesn't help much in a conversation IMO. Saying something like "olive oil has been shown to be beneficial in many CVD endpoints" makes what you're saying very clear.
@@ucchi9829 ok Karen.
Paola Rosichetti okay boomer
Not having to worry about calories on a vegan diet, for me, DID help my eating disorder. it made me feel more comfortable around eating food and helped me see food as less "scary" and as numbers. i was focusing more on the health benefits of the food i was eating, but i wasnt obsessive about it, it was freeing actually.
I used to work at a plasma donation center. If someone had recently eaten a very fatty meal before coming in to donate, you could literally see the milky white fat in their blood as the bag filled. Plus, after I would centrifuge the tiny glass tube of their blood when I would check their hematocrit levels prior to being approved for donation, it was very easy to see the separated fat from the blood after the centrifugation. Just saying this in case people dont believe that the fat from a recent fatty meal is very clearly seen in the blood.
Wait did she just refer to actual research studies and say effectively, "um yeah right like I'm gonna believe that" wow
Yeah as dumb as a flat earther, or she has something to gain being anti vegan.
@@mycelia_ow what I thought she was just pro oil?
@@whoeverofhowevermany Her type isn't rare, there's a bunch of anti-vegan vegans. These people just stray off from the rational path while still having some vegan values but not all values, usually. She reminds me of Unnatural Vegan, another anti-vegan female that's also a self proclaimed vegan. She's much worse, and technically dangerous claims going against established science isn't exactly helping our cause.
@@mycelia_ow I feel like it's unhealthy to define other people's type
@@mycelia_ow please tell me what Unnatural Vegan does that is anti-vegan? I'm new to veganism and I enjoy her videos
When I dipped my toes in this whole food plant based diet, I felt like I was doing so well until I start reading about how I shouldn’t be eating oil. I was pissed, because I had thought olive oil was healthy and I felt I was already depriving myself of so many things I grew up eating. Then, through research, I realized oil is using tons of veggies to get a tablespoon of empty calories. After learning how easy it really is to cook without oil, it’s the the thing I don’t miss at all.
I know right! Now, when I occasionally eat oil dining out, I can just feel the acid reflux - my body isn't a fan of it!
Might as well gets the good polyphenols from whole olives anyway.
Agree with you. No oil scared me, but it’s so easy to cook without it.
@@mariaespiritu9512 thank you for the hope! The idea of oil free just sucker punched me
"In moderation"... She really needs to define that - at the very least. 😒😒
"In moderation" usually means "just carry on as normal, don't do anything extreme like actually changing."
In moderation means consume up to 2 tbsp of Cold pressed or Virgin Oil daily... Abby, herself, had mentioned consuming 1 tbsp of oil per daily Caloric intake.
That's the get-out-of-jail-free card that all dietitians and many doctors use to get around their patients' preconceptions.
Moderation kills. Especially animals.
I mean if fried foods and animal products were all avoided IMO that could be worth looking into. Good quality extra virgin olive oil in moderation. Studies that compare just olive oil to no oil.
"A lot of weight loss and weight gain is kind of out of our control." -- Abbey Sharp, 2020. Blown away by the stupidity, irresponsibility, and defeatist attitude of this fraudster. Glad I didn't listen to shills like her and followed a whole food, vegan diet instead -- otherwise I'd probably be diabetic and have major heart disease by now. Such horrendous advice.
I was also "blown away" when I heard her say that... The very definition of irresponsibility. That's the kind of advice that allows overweight individuals to "blame it on their genes" and doesn't do a bit of good for the ever-increasing rise of diabetes/hypertension/heart disease, etc. Very sad.
@@frederickkrewson638 Exactly!
She is still thinking in eating disorder terms.
I feel like she kinda tells people what they want to hear
Is she a dietitian or not? To say weight gain/loss is gene dependent smacks at her professional role.
I am WFPBNO and the healthiest I have ever been!!! I don’t feel restricted in my eating at all. I lost 20 lbs eating this way and have maintained it for many months. It is the easiest and most fulfilling way I have ever eaten and is evidence based. Thanks for sharing this!!!
When I looked at some of her quoted articles, many of them had studies of people who may have been eating walnuts and avocados. I commented that oils are not health foods. She replied this isn’t a video about being healthy. Huh?!?! She’s a registered dietitian right?!?! Then replied that they may not be healthy, but why be so restrictive. Uh, be restrictive for health reasons.!!!!
If cutting out oil is good for you, good! She's talking about overly restrictive behaviors that can be a part of/lead to eating disorders. Doesn't mean health isn't important, but that wasn't the focus of the video. Is oil/a cookie/etc "healthy"? Not really, but they can be a part of an overall healthy diet, esp if cutting them out triggers disordered eating. It's better to not eat "perfectly" if it means you can live your life without thinking about food so damn much.
I can't believe I believed her. Thank you
"The truth is, a lot of weight gain and weight loss is kinda out of our control"
Wow i spat out my olive oil when hearing that. Might as well go to McDonalds with that fact.
19 months ago I had painful crippling angina and was classified as having end-stage coronary artery disease unable to even walk up stairs. From the day of diagnosis, I went to a whole plant-based diet with no salt, no caffeine, no oil, and no dairy. 19 months later I am on no meds, did not have the stent I was booked into have, no angina, and run around the farm all day. We did haymaking yesterday and I threw 100 bales. Oil is out for my reversal of CVD.
Abby Sharp likes those sharp abies, that was just perfect.😆
Soooo doing a little snooping on the internet --- ALL of her points/studies come from a single healthline.com article on the healthfulness on olive oil. That's not exactly "diligently reviewing the evidence". So lazy
lol, really? I never noticed...
yeh going to a university for 4 years studing nutrition is "lazy"
@@Mwriggles Almost everyone in today's age has a bachelor... The fact that she studied sth doesn't not make her lazy. All the lazy people/classmates I have met have a bachelor's or are in uni... Just sayin
@@Mwriggles I have a masters degree and am also an Registered Dietitian - Just because you have a degree doesn't excuse you from not actually doing research when you say you are doing a "thorough review of evidence". It is professionally dishonest. Healthline very often mis-represents research and is not a reliable source of information - which she would have known if she had actually done her own research as opposed to finding something that confirms her bias and sounded evidence based. And healthcare practitioners providing evidence to the public, it is our obligation to keep up with nutrition research so that we can best help our patients/clients. It's actually required to maintain licensure. So yes. Getting all of her arguments from a pop-science website is lazy.
@@Mwriggles You do know that someone who studied for 4 years doesn't magically get rid of them still possibly being lazy? You clearly have no idea how college works if you seriously think studying for 4 years = not being able to be lazy. If you even watched the full video and that healthline article, it is in fact LAZY is a RD take 1 healthline article and uses that and those studies to spread misinformation to her followers. Being a RD doesn't get rid of people being able to criticize you. There are even lazy DOCTORS who studied for 11+ years, doesn't get rid of the fact that some of them are lazy.
I get that eating oil free isn't for everyone but as a person not living in a western country it's sad that a lot of vegan RUclipsrs don't acknowledge that how difficult a diet is can depend a lot on where someone lives. They just make blanket statements that it's hard for everyone. I personally find an oil free diet is a lot easier and cheaper. Especially during quarantine when I'm cooking all my meals. You really don't need oil to make most Kenyan staple foods. A lot of people do use oil when cooking out of habit but switching it out for water is really easy and preserves the same taste. The only exception is foods like chapati and mandazi which do need oil but I don't eat those every day.
(not really related but a lot of vegan RUclipsrs also assume going vegan in a Third World country is harder and more expensive. Even though it's actually the cheapest diet and a lot of our staples are already vegan/vegeterian).
Chapati need not contain oil. In India the traditional chapati of most parts 0f northern India dont contain any oil, just made with a dough of water and flour, cooked with skill on a tava, iron griddle. Some people may smear oil, ghee or butter on the cooked chapati, or phulka, or tandoori roti cooked in a tandoor but this by no means essential. However conventionally in peninsular India and the south they do mix in oil and even salt into the dough.
thanks for that, that's what i try to tell people all the time but they don't want to believe it
that attitude makes little sense, are you actively trying to not change your lifestyle to get healthy? eat whole food solves this issue.
@@deepakhiranandani6488 I avoid flour, gives me a bloated stomach and really bad gas 😷 A blood test determined that I was allergic to ALL grains and Gluten - but not enough to be diagnosed with celiac disease.
I avoid animal products, sugar, flour and oil.
@@adorable3817 I avoid flour, sugar, oil and obviously all animal products too, being vegan. Never have chapati since several years but I used to years ago.
I saw someone in her comments section say they wanted her to review you and she said "On the list" so it might be coming!
Ppl asked her to review amberlyn reid, she never
She's def not that educated to win this debate lol.
She blames genes instead of overly eating for obesity and also critiques ppl with balanced diet calling them too restrictive, yep u hv to eat trash otherwise she will drop the card "disorder eating "
In her game changers review she's basically like, "the evidence goes both ways." No it doesn't... and she is a dietitian so she should be able to read and judge the data. So disappointing.
She annoys the crap out of me 🤦🏼♀️ I had an eating disorder for years & going WFPB helped me conquer it COMPLETELY because of noooooo restriction. And I use oil sparingly, not to restrict but because it makes me break out like freaking crazy.
abbreviatedalex oh I absolutely agree! And unfortunately, I have had friends use veganism as a means to restrict. But I had a huge problem with starving/binging & was terrified of carbs. So I did a high carb meal plan that was 1800 calories MINIMUM a day which was soooo scary (when I was starving I’d try to eat less than 800). But it completely healed my relationship with food. I eat a variety of foods, especially carbs, in abundance & never have to worry about over eating because it’s rice & potatoes & greens & fruits & oatmeal. Plus I lost 30 pounds doing that because it was all healthy & no excess oil, salt, or sugar. I’m more lax now & do use oil sometimes for like roasted potatoes but I feel the same as you, if I eat too much of it, it definitely makes me feel gross. And yes, I definitely put more away when I go oil free 🤣
She's so critical of people who are clearly healthy. She makes me INSANE. I had to ask RUclips to stop suggesting her clickbait to me.
She's also like one of those "RD " on IG that gives justification to obessed ppl that being fat n dying while stuffing those crap inside their mouths it's not their faults, it's all geneeees
People are like this as they are uncomfortable with themselves
What's the full name of this woman or of her channel? Not being American I'm not familiar with her.
I REALLY liked the point you made about not using oil to cook at home but not being afraid to consume it when eating out socially/from time to time. I think that is honestly a prime example of a healthy relationship with food and healthy outlook on oil consumption.
Loved the video and all the research behind it!
I get you, but the risk is that people with underlying health conditions will regularly be eating oil if they then dine out. They can't moderate here.
It is possible to eat out oil free, and still do fine socially - you need to prepare and educate yourself, and plan, but it is possible. I like Mary McDougall's guide on eating out, elsewhere on RUclips, for helping with this.
She basically Just shared her personal opinion. She's a grifter enjoying meat industry money
Big consortia representing departments of agriculture, supermarkets, departments of cardiovascular surgery, manufacturers of cholesterol tests, medical implants and statins.....
Anyone advising on diet is essentially 'sharing their opinion' - we do not have unequivocal proof of whatever the optimal diet is. That said, we do know mixing high carb and high fat is probably not a good idea and being that fat is essential and carbs are not...hopefully you catch my drift
@@craggerrs what about WHOs claim about meat causing cancer? just their personal opinion? She Is not using a good scientific framework therefor She Is basically giving an opinion .
@@milapopdimitrova8879 It is a claim that's not based in any evidence. Perhaps it has something to do with their gargantuan conflicts of interest...
@James Parker Literally never felt better than when I'm eating a high fat, low carb diet
I went on the 'no oil' diet. Did not lose any weight, but my hair turned white and began to thin. Went back to using olive oil, and my hair got thicker and some color actually returned.
I've been vegan for ~14 years now with a cholesterol of 300+. Just ditched oil and focused on whole foods a few months ago and it dropped to below 200. Oil's great for your car.. not so much for your insides.
Congrats! That's amazing!!
@@byusaranicole thanks you! It's literally been life changing.
Try saturated fats
@@remusandrei7631 sure try saturated fats that has a direct correlation to heart disease (stroke and heart attacks). That's some great advice if you want to die. Do you want to try again? As what was said in the video...
Eating any oils instead of butter will be better for you. But being better than butter is not a high bar to make. Oh wait, you want us to eat more butter? Yeah, try again please.
@@harrycecan9855 You won't die from eating saturated fats, I'm eating mostly saturated fats (95%) and my blood tests are perfect, no inflammation (C-Reactive Protein = 0.42 mg/l )very stable blood sugars, triglicerides are closer to the lower end. People have been eating saturated fats for thousand of years and they were healthier than now, How do you explain that after replacing the butter with margarine increased the heart disease in population? Everytime they try to replace something they end up poisoning the population
PS: the real cause of heart disease is inflammation which is caused by high sugar levels, vegetable oils
PS 2 : Even if you use drink vegetable oil in order to be used by the body it has to be converted to saturated fats
In the European cohort mentioned in Dr. Greger’s video, why didn’t he mention that they still found a modest reduction in CVD risk when adding olive oil to a Mediterranean diet even after controlling for dietary patterns? Meaning it seems to have provided an additional benefit. Not only that, but in the conclusion of the study, the authors say that their “findings back the need to preserve the culinary use of olive oil within the Mediterranean dietary tradition.” Seems misleading to have left this out of the video. Also, you only presented two studies with 10 participants that showed olive oil negatively impacting endothelial function. One of them only tested oils in deep frying conditions. The other one also found no adverse effect in endothelial function with canola oil. I feel like this should have been mentioned as well. Additionally, the meta-analysis that Abbey Sharp presented was a more recent systematic review and meta analysis (higher level evidence) and already included the cohort that Greger brought up. It had even more participants (over 100,000) and looked at case control, cohort, and intervention studies. It found that the available studies support an inverse association of olive oil consumption with stroke (and with stroke and CVD combined) but no significant association with CVD alone.
Lastly, there was another more recent meta analysis and systematic review of randomized controlled trials (again higher level evidence) that looked specifically at olive oil and it’s effects on markers of inflammation and endothelial function. It found evidence that olive oil might exert beneficial effects on endothelial function as well as markers of inflammation. I am just very confused as to why you and Greger chose to only bring up these individual studies when we have meta analysis and systematic reviews that pool the results and have higher statistical power and significance??
And btw the meta analysis that looked at Olive oil and it’s effects on endothelial function and markers of inflammation included studies that measured FMD (flow mediated vasodilation) which Greger said is a better measure for endothelial function
I noticed some red flags in his picking of what does in this video..
Depends on what the study was comparing it to. Was it olive oil versus no oil or Olive oil versus all other oils? Still better to eat Whole olives than highly processed olive oil
@@mariaespiritu9512 the cohort I mentioned compared non consumers to consumers. Those in the highest quartile of olive oil consumption saw the largest decrease in risk. “Still better to eat whole olives than highly processed oil” Well that’s just an empirical claim you’d have to demonstrate. A lot of the CVD risk reduction benefits seems to come specifically from an increased consumption of MUFAS and PUFAS, both of which whole olives and olive oil contain. This is also a weird way to look at things. Olive oil can be preferable to whole olives for someone that is trying to gain weight and is having trouble consuming enough calories. Also, some people just simply don’t like olives but enjoy either drizzling their salads with some EVOO or cooking with OO. Like sure whole olives contains more nutrients and fiber, but if you are already obtaining those nutrients and fiber from elsewhere in your diet, then there’s nothing wrong with consuming olive oil either because you enjoy it, you want the extra calories, or you prefer to rely on it as one of your main sources of fat in the diet instead of olives
Your last comment was spot on! I used to like her but once I realised that her trauma from her eating disorder is skewing her ability to accept evidence based nutritional advice, I parted ways with her.
I stopped watching her videos a while ago when I realised she was often WAY off the mark and I didn't want to increase her popularity
Right there with you.
Same here. Stopped watching the moment I realized she was a sell out and hurts the vegan message.
I haven't cooked with oil in about 5 years after hearing Dr Klaper's presentation on how olive oil paralyzed blood flow and I've been totally feeling the benefits of it! :) 💖
wth is wrong with this woman? i cant stand nutritionists. my friend who was a bit over weight was told by his nutritionist that he can eat whatever he wants as long as he eats 1500 calories a day. i shit you not. even McDonalds and coke, cake and whatever he wanted. i told him to fire her immediately. luckily he did.
“Sorry, I’m trying not to laugh” I’m right there with you
I’m not a “Vegan” but I have for recently switched to plant based Whole Foods without added oil. I’m pretty short order I’ve had more energy (after an initial drop) and much less inflammation in my joints and all that. One big difference is that my usually insanely oily scalp is not oily anymore. From many perspectives, not good reason to switch back as I feel so much better in every way.
Right on time with this video because I’ve been eating way too much vegan butter 😂
I creamed together butter, brown sugar and sugar bc I was gonna make cookies and I got lazy and just ate the sugar butter... so... yeah. Same.
celifacejones glad I’m not the only one who’s ever done that.
dietary fat is essential for hormonal balance - vegetable oils are trash though.
@@celifacejones I'm sure you don;t need me to tell that that will spike the living f out of your insulin levels and cause your long term health all kinds of hell
@@craggerrs Whaaattt? You mean a sugar butter mixture won't clear my arteries, clear my skin, cure depression, & fix climate change?!
How sure are you about that, tho?
Thank you for this video! I’ve been waittttting for you to do a video on her !
When I stopped cooking with oil I lost weight. also through exercise & eating more whole plants.
Dude seriously just thank you for you and what you do. I can’t image how much work and research you put into each and every one of these videos, so thank you. The world needs more videos based on science and hard facts. Before I found you I was vegan but very overweight. I’m 2 months on a mcdougal diet and 20 lbs down, no longer addicted to sugar, and have never felt better!
Thank you for making this video!! I cringed all the way through her video on oil.. especially having seen so much credible research supporting an oil-free diet for preventing and reversing heart disease.
Oil, sugar and salt are addictive. It’s really about paying attention to how things make you feel and look.
As someone who is trying to go vegan, I absolutely love this channel ❤️
> As someone who is trying to go vegan
Hi! I hope you've made progress on your journey. Cheers.
She’s very biased and basically agrees with whoever she is trying to please. 🙄
You hit the nail in the head
You’re the smartest ❤️ Would you consider doing a video explaining or summarizing your process for analyzing research? Love you!
I do enjoy watching her videos, however, she does one thing that drives me nuts. Someone can be eating SO AMAZING all day and be getting enough of all their nutrients in a single day, but if they have one meal or snack with may not have a full days worth or a certain vitamin or nutrient she says that that meal or snack is lacking. Like... you don’t have to have calcium or protein or vitamin B in every single meal. As long as you’re getting normal amounts throughout the day to maintain a healthy amount then it’s fine. It’s just annoying how she expects every single meal someone eats to have every nutrient that they need.
Bailey Schneider Exactly. Most people eating no oil, are eating a whole foods plant based diet which means they get more nutrients than most people eating other diets. 🤣🤦🏻♀️
she point at no-oil and vegan as orthorexia yet she herself makes orthorexic statements, expecting every meal to have every single vitamin and mineral
Thanks Mic. Saw her video and had to turn it off. Some of her stuff is ok but when she critized Derek I was shocked.
I find it so ironic that fried food is almost universally accepted as unhealthy but people still will claim that oil is healthy
90% of people on this planet are mentally I’ll and delusional!! They will claim because their parents or grandparents eat olive oil and lived up to 80 years old so the oils much be healthy for them!!
Thanks for that mic. As a plant based or vegan person it took your videos to help me understand my diet to cut out all oils. I really had to pay attention to the ingredients!!
Thank you for your respectful and scientific-sound response!💐💝
400 calories of existential horror! 😂
What frustrates me is that nobody ever defines “moderation”. What is moderate to one is excessive to another or indeed ridiculously strict. Numbers. We need hard numbers.
Basically... The further away your food looks from its original form, then the worse/less beneficial it is for you. I don't know why thats so hard to understand.
Because we've been brainwashed, socially shamed and marketed with the opposite. We self medicate with processed foods.
It's hard for many of us to grasp this, unless it's pointed out to us. And often even then, still tough.
My van requires oil. So does my oil burning lamp. My body requires NO OIL. In my body, it lines my arteries with a thick gooey gluck sludge that makes me sick and miserable. No thanks, lady. I'm with Mic and Esselstyn. Thanks Mic.
honestly, i haven't seen any difference in not eating oil or salt, or sugar, or flour. pfft. i ate specfiically whole foods for a couiple years, and i was still depressed, miserable, and tired. my conclusion is that it does not matter. what matters is emotions, and if you have bad emotions, food won't touch it. so I went back to eating processed stuff because it's more enjoyable, and the only thing i notice is that i'm actually feeling pleasure for a change.
there’s a connection between gut health and depression
eating whole foods doesn’t mean your gut microbiome is healthy, eating fermented foods and probiotics is what’s needed for healthy gut microbiome, taking antibiotics or other medication also negatively affects gut microbiome not just oils, salt, sugar
and that you at least felt pleasure from eating processed stuff indicates that you didn’t flavor your meals when eating whole foods, there are tons of tips on how to flavor meals to enjoy whole foods
and it’s true that mind and body is connected and emotions play a role on our health, but food and gut health also plays a role on mental health
Seriously great video! I'd love to see her response to this. 😀
Great video! Thanks for always including all the scientific studies
I will never remove olive oil from my diet. I live in Italy where huge production of olive oil is made, we are literally covered with olive trees , it's just so good , It flow in my veins instead of blood .
Most also confuse oil free for fat free. A healthy person can eat whole foods with fats in it, the difference is just the freely absorbable macro nutrients, against the 'packaged' ones. (meaning in fiber)
You always give such great facts with reference. It just stops people who disbelieve what I say in there tracks. Thank you very much for being a modern day super hero!
been vegan for 5years mostly eat wholefoods, I incorporate abit of oil / plant based butter in one of my meals daily I struggle with putting & mantaining weight this helps a lot. my blood work cholesterol etc is great. I mean aren’t the plant foods we are eating not supposed to be reversing heart disease? Our body’s must be very useless then if a tiny bit of oil would kill us, that Is ridiculous tbh especially when your diet is mostly WFPB
Mic, thank you for being a voice of reason on RUclips!
I've done two years of the three year long Dietitian program at Umeå University in Sweden. I know that a licensed dietitian is not allowed to say "anything" if they want to keep their license. In my humble oppinion, Abbey Sharp is threading on thin ice. I wish other registered dieticians would have the balls to call her out officially. I'm especially bothered by her strange bias against fruit since we should all eat AT LEAST 0,5 kg (=1,1 pound) of fruits, berries and veggies per day. She should really be reprimanded for telling people not to eat fruit, or to eat "less" fruit, and also for recommending people to eat processed meatproducts that contain carcinogenic substances (she did that in at least on video). As a dietitian Abbey must have learned about the benefits of a plant based diet. It is not okay for a licensed dietitian to recommend people to cut out the healthy food groups, and to eat more of the processed crap that has been thoroughly proven to be unhelathy.
I think it could help to go by how you feel. It is so clear to me that I feel pretty bad after eating oil. I had to cut it first to gauge that, but wow it is undeniable that it makes me feel terrible. So why eat it?
I eat like shit, I hope she makes my RUclips channel blow up lol. I still eat oil but I never recommend it or try to act like it's good for you, I agree that it's like sugar. I don't want heart disease, so I honestly think I'm gonna try oil-free again. I already have your oil-free cookbook, so it shouldn't be too bad - thanks for the video. Loving the blue background by the way!
Here I am supposed to be studying for exams and wasting more time debunking this BS
0:23 - I would not declare cutting out oil 100% reverses heart disease based on a study done by Esselstyn that wasn't controlled at all, subjects were on statins as well. Hasn't been replicated either, so it can't be included in a meta-analysis.
0:40 Her review of Derek Simnett was very positive, as he is honest and not a bullshit talker. She also suffered from orthorexia, which has been linked to elimination diets, hence why she reviews their diets to try and help them, not judge them (strawman argument).
1:14 If you were to cut oil out completely, you wouldn't be able to eat out and socialize with people once in a while, which could give you psychological issues
1:35 I would say going oil-free is a result of misinformation, not an eating disorder. Problem is people eat too much, not a little as recommended by every health organisation.
2:18 poly/monounsaturated oils are a rich source of vitamin E and K, which acts as an antioxidant the same way vitamin C and A do. So it's not equal, but actually healthier than added sugar in that context with small servings.
3:00 Based on a study that wasn't controlled, you lose marks in your assignment!
3:50 Participants were given 60mL of oil for 541kcal per meal. No exercise either, so their elevated lipid markers were most likely result of weight gain in general, not just oil alone. Study also reported no significant correlation of triglycerides and fibromuscular dysplasia.
4:45 A study of only 14 people from 1955 and wasn't controlled. Tested 4 hours after a meal for chylomicrons, which are repackaged in your liver via the lymphatic system as HDL/VLDL/LDL. Hence why fasted blood tests give more accurate lipid markers than measuring plasma lipids before it even enters your blood.
5:00 "Heavy meals" can include anything calorie dense, not just oil, ever heard of large portions in general?
5:15 A pilot study, in case you didn't know, is a test run for a study to determine whether it's worth doing. Another study 2-4 hours after eating measuring chylomicrons, shake my head. Not quack science as you claim, just weak science (another strawman fallacy).
5:45 Plant-based diets according to the author included Mediterranean and DASH, which contain low/moderate meat and unsaturated oil intake. No mention of vegan diets (Ornish is vegetarian and includes exercise and stress management) and also states that there is conflicting evidence implicating meat with heart failure.
5:55 Esselstyn's poor study again *circus music plays til 6:50. I'll give you credit for admitting to the lack of controls.
6:50 Suggests dietary interventions in general, not just diet, are required at a young age. N mention of oil.
7:20 Appeal to nature fallacy. We didn't have vaccines 10,000 years ago either.
7:45 She didn't mention anything about reversing heart disease. No good evidence proves you can reverse heart disease without oil, you can only possibly treat it and stop it from worsening.
8:48 So what's wrong with the study?
9:20 She's not shaming people, just trying to stop the spread of misinformation.
9:36 ORAC was shelved in 2012 due to only being tested on petri dishes, not in vivo, as well as being misleading indicators of antioxidant capacity.
10:23 Oh boy
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11:30, a-tocopherols (antioxidants, precursor to vit. E) is what EVOO is high in, not polyphenols.
12:50 The study stated the oil group consumed 50g EVOO per day, yet did best.
13:05 What Skeletor (Greger) didn't mention
is that he whited out the line before that sentence which reads "Although the EPIC-Greece study, did not find a significant association between each 21 g/d increment in olive oil
and mortality in MI patients, there was a significant (18%)
reduction in mortality patients with a high MUFA:SFA ratio. Differences in study designs and adjustment for confounding variables are likely to contribute to the differences in the magnitude of effect observed between studies." Propaganda at its best!
15:00 Your HDL featured many old studies, yet recent meta-analyses on low to moderate egg consumption when calories are matched show no risk for stroke or heart disease.
15:07 Increasing HDL doesn't treat heart disease (torcetrapib was taken off the market due to mortality increase), statins work by blocking HMG CoA Reductase, a liver enzyme that produces cholesterol.
15:20 Based on a cohort study that didn't control for calories, exercise or other lifestyle factors. In a 2019 follow-up to the EPIC Oxford, Vegetarians had higher risk of stroke, with fish eaters coming out on top.
18:00 The strawman ticker is off the charts. She was trying to say excess calories makes you fat, not just fat! Most recipes call for 1-2tbsp of oil to serve 4-6, not just one meal! Greece is the biggest olive oil consuming country in the world, with a growing obesity rate of 22% of the total population, with one of the reasons being a poor adherence to the Mediterranean diet (more fast food). Even still, it is only the 54th most obese country in the world per capita.
19:15 If they consumed less calories and exercise more compared to the nuts and low fat group, yes, eating more oil but less overall calories and exercising more will lead to weight loss, that's not ridiculous!
19:42 The BROAD study made the vegan group exercise twice a week for the first 12 weeks (control group didn't), hence the rapid weight loss in the first 3-6 months in the vegan group followed by a plateau or rise in weight thereafter, whereas the control group plateaued throughout most of the duration of the study. They watched, Forks Over Knives (a pro-vegan film), which would have influenced them to continue with the diet. Participants weren't blinded either.
21:07 You're speculating, none of those studies suggested that whole plant consumption was the reason and most of them controlled for that anyway.
21:20 a-tocopherol concentration in blueberries has 24mg/kg vs EVOO - 100-200mg/kg. They also protect against oxidative stress of fats in cell membranes, not just polyphenols.
21:30 Based off the uncontrolled trial, we're all saved! I'll take the PREDIMED, at least it was controlled.
21:45 No studies prove that veganism cures erectile dysfunction, you're most likely to cure it via medications or psychological means.
21:50 Oil-free vegan eating is not a "powerful tool", as it seems like you're basing this of a uncontrolled trial and an RCT with unfair exercise tweaks which were apparent in the 2nd half of the trial. With that logic, Trump is right and HCQ would cure COVID-19.
21:55 Exactly! Esselstyn's trial has not been replicated so we can't hold it to a pedestal.
22:20 Her job involves saving lives and improving people's health and eating disorders...
22:40 You can't cure heart disease, you can only treat it.
22:50 This "powerful tool" of oil-free vegan eating can be really restrictive and hard to adhere to, hence why Meditteranean or DASH style eating is very flexible with choice and encourages recipes based on whole foods with a little olive oil if need be.
Easily the longest fact-check I have ever done, go back to school and learn some critical thinking.
Uncontrolled trial by Esselstyn (states this on p. 3)
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1520-037X.2001.00538.x
Link between orthorexia and elimination diets
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1471015315300362
Study that gave participants 60mL of oil per meal (541kcal)
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.numecd.2005.08.008
ORAC withdrawn by the USDA in 2012
www.nutraceuticalsworld.com/contents/view_online-exclusives/2012-06-21/orac-database-withdrawn/
Michael Greger's sneaky editing of the paper he cited (p.4)
pdfs.semanticscholar.org/3cf1/d52ddc800d4fdc89eaf65c361b6a5619d7da.pdf
2016 meta-analysis shows 1-2 eggs a day shows no increased risk of CVD and stroke
www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2016.1152928?journalCode=uacn20
Statins can lower cholesterol by reducing cholesterol producing enzymes, NOT BY RAISING HDL
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/in-depth/statins/art-20045772
Vegetarians had higher risk of stroke compared to fish eaters
www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l4897
22% obesity rate in Greece linked to low adherence to Mediterranean diet
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6009074/
Greece ranked 54th in most obese country in the world
obesity.procon.org/global-obesity-levels/
Supplement table 1 from the BROAD study showing weight loss and plateau patterns
static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fnutd.2017.3/MediaObjects/41387_2017_BFnutd20173_MOESM250_ESM.pdf
2014 systematic review and meta-analysis of cohorts showing reduction of cardiovascular risk, mortality and stroke from olive oil/MUFA consumption
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4198773/
3:50 not sure I agree with your point about exercise and or weight gain. Can you justify why that would be necessary?
15:00 why does it matter if it’s old? That alone is irrelevant. You’d need to justify why that matters. Genetic studies and clinical trials don’t support raising HDL for CVD endpoints. Did the authors of that paper stratify serum cholesterol? They note that dietary cholesterol has a modest effect on serum cholesterol.
15:07 what’s your point?
15:20 and he mentioned vegans not vegetarians. Unless they lumped vegans in the vegetarian group I don’t see your point 🥴
@@ucchi9829 Thanks for your reply, some decent points. I will only clarify those timestamps you pointed out as I'm assuming we both agree with everything else.
3:50 several studies have shown that simply being in a calorie surplus (gaining weight) regardless of the food source or diet leads to poorer health and test results. If you exercise, you burn calories. This was clearly an overfeeding study as they didn't state the participants' TDEE, just their calorie intake of 1859kcal p/day as well as 60mL/3tbsp of oil per day, a huge amount for a BMI of 21.9. If they had exercised throughout the study to burn calories, the results wouldn't have been as bad (under the Methods section, it states that they refrained from exercising throughout the study). As I stated, triglycerides and fibromuscular dysplasia weren't significantly affected anyway.
15:00 Using more recent studies is usually what is considered more accurate, as meta-analyses of RCT's can control for more variables and increase sample size with the same study design, therefore increasing hypothesis power. The Forest plot of the study states that the summary relative risk estimates of 7/10 pooled studies are in favour of no increased risk of heart disease and stroke. He used a lot of studies that either haven't been replicated or are cohorts, hence why they probably don't get included in metas. Genetic high cholesterol can't be treated a great deal, more fibre and less saturated fat in the diet may help. I stated later that simply raising HDL isn't the way to treat heart disease. Yes, dietary cholesterol may have a modest effect on serum cholesterol, but as long as your dietary cholesterol doesn't fluctuate much at baseline, it has very little effect. Low DC at baseline with high DC consumption later = massive effect on SC. High DC at baseline with high DC later = little effect on SC. This is known as the Hegsted equation.
15:07 Watch the video again. Mic makes a strawman argument as Abbey stated raising the HDL:LDL ratio of your total cholesterol is what is considered healthier. He then states that taking meds that simply increase HDL levels are supposed to decrease heart disease risk. That's not how you improve cholesterol levels if you're suffering from heart disease as I clearly stated a source that states the mechanism on how statins work (not by raising HDL) and how dangerous HDL raising medications are, hence the sale of them is banned. Seems like an important point as he made a bad point and a false claim.
15:20 Good point. The authors of the 2013 study suggest that vegans had lower cholesterol levels due to a lower BMI, replacement of saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats, and higher fiber intakes. I mentioned the 2019 follow-up with vegetarians because there is very limited data in the EPIC study on vegans post-2013 and I wanted to make a point that simply eating animal foods in small amounts won't simply make your cholesterol worse. Remember, cohort studies don't control for other non-diet related variables such as genetics, exercise and socioeconomic factors. I can only assume that the vegans in the 2013 study were healthier overall, it may not have just been because of their diet.
I like both of your videos (Abbeys mostly for the mental healing) and I am vegan, but I have struggled with a variety of eating disorders and I'm still recovering... I do feel like the ''oil free'' life is extremely triggering for people with Orthorexia especially. I am still trying to make peace with food so I get where she is coming from in that sense. Having said that I do agree with you on the science part. However, sometimes you have to putt your mental health first and put some oil on the damn veggies so you don't feel like you're punishing yourself for being fat by eating plain grass :D
Thank you! This was incredible. It was so hard to watch that video and hear so much misinformation. Not to mention every time Abbey does a vegan video hearing her misinformed opinions and judgment of being oil free. I wanted more than anything for someone like you to debunk it. Thank you!
Super fascinating, thank you for the time and research Mic 💟
Thanks Mic! Abby is always making it out that health focused people have severely restrictive eat disorders.
Actually, her mentioning a family member who had heart disease as if that makes her an expert on heart disease was very manipulative.
I watch her videos a lot, I like her positivity and I do appreciate her openness to vegan diets. I get where she's coming from, given her history with disordered eating, but I think her advice is more beneficial to those who struggle with their relationship with food, rather than those searching for an optimal diet for health.
Yeah :) it's about acceptance with yourself for eating 'unhealthy' foods once in a while, it's not the end of the world unless your at an INCREADIBLY high risk of cvd
I'm SO GLAD this video got recommended! I have insulin resistance so I tried Keto which made me feel SO SICK and horrible, but I kept reading that you need more fat so I forced myself to eat more nuts, more oil in cooking etc. until recently I reduced the amount of oil I take and if I do get fat it tends to be from a few nuts (5 orso) or black olives, it just feels better but everytime I look information up everywhere it says that oil is important. I also recently found Abbey's channel and already saw a lot of people pointing out misinformation she spews around, and after this video I'm 100% sure that she's not worth my time. Great video! I'm personally not vegan but pescetarian but have recently started eating less fish aswell, and am planning to try some vegan omelette recipes and stuff to slowly become vegan, but I'm not forcing myself because of my ED, though this video made me even more excited to eventually become vegan :)
your brain runs off fat and also your joints. SO you need fats but I dont like that all of our food has added oil in it.
3:21 Method of the study: ten people and no control group. Yeah, not so serious study.
i laughed so extremely hard at the sharp abbies joke! absolutely genius
I love olive oil, but I mostly stopped using it after I started using cronometer. It just adds calories with little nutritional benefit. Removing olive oil means I can eat more healthy food and get those nutrient scores even higher while staying within my calorie budget.
Thank you for making that last point (ED vs heart disease in this discussion)! I will say one thing I've noticed over time is that maaaany people come to this way of eating primarily for weight loss. So this "diet" can cause some disordered thinking over time because of the restriction, especially when people arent losing the weight they want. There are many eating behaviors people in WFPB SOS free use that are similar or identical to those with anorexia to keep calories down and lose weight. Eating huge volumes of low calorie bland food being one. Oooor you could just eat a little bit less potatoes or rice with some broccoli... rather than eating a huge bowl of plain broccoli. The concept of decreasing portions is blasphemous and its very odd. I recently had to reintroduce a little salt in my meals because I was so defeated with all foods just sounding terrible thanks to all the "tricks", then guilty because I wasnt doing WFPB SOS free "correctly".
Thank you Mic for the response, it's very useful!!
But this diet is not supposed to be restrictive. It's just about new choices, probably more varied than ever.
@@carinaekstrom1 I agree. But many do restrict when they're not losing weight or not losing it as fast as they'd like.
Dr. Esselstyn's Heart Disease Reversal Study has kept me living a great life. Seven years ago after having two heart attacks and bypass failing four months later before the second heart attack I began Dr. Esselstyn's no oil diet. Back to riding my bike, hiking, scuba, and living a normal life. As the Dr. says NO OIL, NO OIL.
What an overwhelmingly awful comment section. I love how a lot of people here seem to believe they live in a perfect world where poverty, food deserts and disordered eating just don't exist. A lot of you seem to think that by telling people oil is awful for you and to hell with anyone that says it can be consumed in moderation, you're actually helping anyone. You're not. The problem with demonising food is that you're not actually helping the vast majority of people who have poor eating habits. Socio-economic factors cannot be ignored when you're trying to get people to eat healthier. You have to be realistic about the trajectory of healthy eating and calling someone 'stupid' for not demonising a global cooking base that even the poorest of the poor have access to and is culturally prevalent in a lot of traditional dishes is unhelpful and quite frankly, short sighted. The vast majority of people have poor diets and telling them they need to cut out oil completely is not going to encourage them to change their diet, much like how trying to get the average person to go straight from a diet heavy with meat to a fully vegan diet is an unrealistic expectation. Nutritionists who take into account socio-economic and psychological relationships to food aren't your enemies. If YOU don't like their advice, it's obviously not for you. But the average Joe who eats a ton of fast food and processed snacks WILL benefit from someone with a more realistic view of food and the longevity of good eating versus short term gains that spiral out because they're not sustainable for the average person trying to create better food habits.
You are utterly correct, this comment section is so frustrating. I'ts people caught in their own echo chamber acting rude and snobbish.
She has helped me tons! I was an orthodox eater. I'm much happier and healthier now
This is an utter strawman. I watch Abby's videos, she has never talked about intersectional issues like socioeconomics, food deserts, cultural sensitivity, etc. Her entire framework is based on eating disorders, which Mic has emphasized that this diet is NOT targeting. This diet isn't for everyone, it's specifically for those who choose to use it for disease-prevention or disease-reversal. He literally emphasizes this. The critiques are focused on Abby's diet-shaming. She is undermining the hundreds of research papers that reinforce the basis of a no-oil diet.
Vegans who eat this way choose this path for personal reasons, and may educate others on those reasons, but I personally have never had anyone force it on me. I have reduced my oil-intake bc of the research, but I still use it in true moderation. I've lived in a food desert and while going vegan was hard, it wasn't impossible. Most people in food deserts have vehicles and bus passes to buy health food.
I didn't have a vehicle, yet I would walk for an hour or take the bus with my foldable shopping cart & backpack. I would shop on the weekends and make the effort to prep & cook my meals at home. I've been vegan for nearly a decade, I reach my 9 year Veganniversary in a week. I'm still in the lowest income bracket, and yet I'm still eating plant foods. My father had a stroke at 30, and he was brain-dead for 3 years in a coma, until a fever took him at 33. Brain aneurysms are genetic, and they have a 20% survival rate. I REFUSE to end up like my dad, his condition was traumatic for us.
Just because it may be difficult to get someone to quit eating oil, doesn't mean you should lie to them and tell them it won't hurt them.
where is your rant about people demonizing sugar and all carbs? poorest of the poor have access to grains yet there are masses of privileged westerners demonizing grains and telling people to eat grass fed beef
BOOM! You said it!! Her old eating disorder completely blinds her... it's sad. And upsetting. She is being irresponsible putting out bad information for money... I'm sick of her.
Thanks Mic (I was waiting for your response on that)! I do watch her vegan WIEIAD reviews (because I find them fun), *but* I always have to leave a dislike at the end of the video, because she *ALWAYS* criticizes when someone eats "too much fruit", "not enough protein" - and the worst thing - NO OIL! 🙀 🙄
She always talks about fat, protein, carbohydrates and calories, but she unfortunately consistently fails to mention other important things like saturated fat, cholesterol, processed foods, etc., which is a damn shame, because she's supposed to be a registered dietitian and I therefore would expect that one would talk about such things as well!
People who go to restaurants and order vegan, often are still getting oil. I may order 2 veggie sides for a meal and often feel and taste oil. I have even requested no oil and the waitress will say the food was prepared earlier in the day with oil so that's the way it comes.
Abbey lost family members to heart disease so we should listen to her instead of actual doctors and studies that prove the correlation of oils and damaging to the endothelium.