The Tragic Tale of Sebastian Sallow...
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- How far would you go to save someone you love?
Sebastian Sallow lost his parents before he was even old enough to understand magic.
Now, a debilitating curse threatens his twin sister, Anne Sallow, the one person who was there with him through it all. The one person who could understand exactly how he felt and what he was going through.
And yet, no one else seems to care. Everyone has given up.
And so, it’s left to him. And you.
This…is the tragic tale of Sebastian Sallow.
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You know what I noticed, Solomon wasn’t on good terms with his brother which resulted in him being “hard” on Sebastian and calling him “his fathers son” as an insult. A similar story occurred in the Harry Potter stories where we instead have Petunia who despised her sister Lily for being a witch and therefore treated Harry cruelly in the end.
That’s a great connection there!
Someone has said to me “you’re your fathers son” I lost him at 12 years old and those words pushed me to be more like my father. Solomon should be ashamed if he wasn’t dead
“For Sebastien, it was never the fear of unknown but the fear of known.” Can’t agree more. His thirst for knowledge and power was driven by the deep fear of being powerless to save the ones he loved. His blind optimism is a coping mechanism that protects him from losing to despair. I also blindly believed that the almighty student will come to save the day. To think that in the end, we even have the option to send him rote in Azkaban with dementors gives me chills, what an utter tragedy it is.
Utter tragedy is right. Just sadness all the way around with this one, unfortunately.
Fear can be a powerful emotion
And to think Ominis matches the "(it's)so simple. Even a blind man could see it!" words.....
I love this interpretation, too. The game however, at times, suggests that Sebastian pursues the dark arts not only for healing his sister, but also.. because he enjoys it.
I don't like how they wrote that tbh - I much prefer the interpretation that his way into the dark arts was fueled purely by his fear of what would happen to Anne.
@@mikanchan322 Actually, this interpretation is not in conflict with his character of having the desire to pursue power. It merely attempts to understand the driving force of that zeal. In this case, the drive is not only a fear of the pain from losing loved ones but also an anger of being powerless to save them. That’s why his love had become selfish, and his devotion turned into an obsession.
One thing though, there is a difference if you turn Sebastian in or not.
When you reveal who actually cursed Anne, if you turn him in Ominous tells you that when he finds out it was Rookwood, Ominous tells you Sebastian now hates both Dark Wizards and goblins. If you keep it a secret, when you tell Sebastian it was Rookwood, his hate for goblins ends and he apologizes to you.
So, it would appear that, if you turn him into Azkaban, he becomes even darker.
This is exactly what I was thinking too. So for me the "best/right" thing to to would be to not turn him in as there could be a possibility that he gets a some sort or redemption arc as his anger and hatred ends
Exactly
He's a 15 - 16 year old at the end of the day who ultimately let his emotions get the better of him and made a decision he regretted instantly, sending him to Azkaban won't fix anything it would only make things worse
The game heavily implies that if you don't turn him in he turns away from the path he's been taking and gets the proper closure and chance to redeem himself and make himself a better person, what he did was wrong yes but him forever living with the guilt of what he did is punishment enough for such a young impulsive boy like himself
@@sonicranger1912 yes, and he truly shows how much he regrets what he did.
I wished for a moment where he finally let himself go and cry in our arms
I stuck with Sebastian to the end.
Same, if you didn’t you’re just insane
My guy is a ride or die
Besides everything about Sebastian, a lot of people have pointed out too, that Ominis is one hell true friend and an angel of this game. I truly want to see 3 of them (Anne,Seb and Omunis) live a happy life......
Fortunately we have AO3 ;w;
Agreed on Ominis. He was a fantastic character.
How crazy considering Ominis is related to Voldemort
@@alexaldridge2530 Ominis have to be the only descendant of Salazar Slytherin who didn't care about blood status.
He had a rather annoying habit of appearing out of FREAKING NOWHERE and shouting "I HEARD EVERYTHING!!!"
Honestly in that last scene in the tomb, my respect for Anne went to 100. I really want to know what she was like before she was cursed. She’s clearly powerful, even in her weakened state, and handled a horrible situation with a lot of grace.
For sure!
Sebastian described her as the most mischievous of their trio with Ominis.
I think her émotions played a role
The best story and character in the whole game.
That’s why this is so damn tragic. Even if they continued on with a Sebastian/Ominis/Anne storyline, where would they go? Sebastian lost Anne and undoubtedly Ominis too.
It would have to be one hell of a redemption arch for Sebastian to get into back into even speaking terms let alone good graces. I’m here for it though. This is my favorite storyline.
While I do see the manipulation from Sebastian’s side, even playing as a goodie two shoes and siding with Ominis, the fact that I can use not only ancient magic, which is a horrifically strong and devastating magic on its own. But I can use the unforgivable curses with no repercussions and to a greater extent which trivializes, for me, what he does.
Worst of all by losing his family and his friend Ominis, Sebastian lost the best part of himself in the bargain. Victor Rookwood started all this by cursing Anne leaving Sebastian to believe the goblins had done it. Sebastian has had to live a lie all this time because of his family being murdered and his sister being under such a terrible curse. Tragedy often makes good people do the wrong things for right reasons known only to them. Evil in the cause of good makes the innocent suffer and at a price unforseeable and unfathomable.
Seb is still my favorite ❤❤
Solomon was a terrible uncle. He should definitely be given credit for taking the twins in after their parents died, but the way he handled Sebastian consistently made the problem worse. He never tries to challenge Sebastian's views with reason. Instead he gets angry, yells a lot, and contradicts Sebastian. Sebastian is the one acting like an adult in the conversations while Solomon throws tantrums. Solomon was supposed to be a parent to the twins, it's the responsibility he took upon himself when he became their guardian. Yet when Sebastian needed him most Solomon pushed him away. If he had instead taken Sebastian under his wing, spent time with him, and tried to teach him valuable life lessons all the tragedy could have been avoided. And of course to make matters worse Solomon drives a wedge between the twins by choosing to start arguments and disparaging Sebastian in front of Anne.
Solomon tried to be a parent when he clearly wasn't ready for it. Sebastian was neglected. We'll never know if Anne could have been cured because the spooky "dark magic" is just assumed to be evil even though we're never given a reason as to why that's the case. And sure maybe Solomon needs to be unreasonable for the conflict to work and Anne just doesn't want to get involved but we have the perfect character to explain the arguments against the use of the dark arts. Ominus. He can make the moral arguments to oppose what Sebastian is doing but he simply never does. All he says is that it's dangerous and that his family are cartoon villains who enjoy torturing muggles. That's a ridiculous point to bring up since Sebastian is acting purely with the intention of saving the life of an innocent. You don't convince someone that magic can't be used to save a life by telling them that lunatics use magic for evil.
Absolutely! Sebastian views all magic on equal footing, as a tool that can be used for good or evil, intention matters.
When he’s talking outside the catacomb after the murder of his uncle, about Solomon ruining Anne’s life I can see why he came to that conclusion. Up to that point all Solomon’s done, as you said, was isolate her from Sebastian and washed his hands if even trying to do anything for her. Cures aren’t found by doing nothing. Solomon inadvertently proved he didn’t care by giving up. He was even willing to abandon Sebastian, as evident from Anne telling us he wanted to leave Feldcroft which then forced Sebastian’s hand and caused him to act without thinking.
Another factor is that, if Solomon DID know the truth about who really Cursed Anne, then his actions would make him more to be a coward. Someone who was so scared of Rookwood and his Goblin Army that he would lie about there being no cure for Anne's curse and punish anyone who would try, like how he treated Sebastian.
@kingcrimson2643 that and be didnt even try to investigate, seriously could've started at either isadoras home or ROOKWOOD castle for Pete's sake.
@@Spartan3D213 yes, exactly like he didn't want Anne to be cure. Even when we try to talk to Solomon he directly argue with us
@a.g.demada5263 that and he fought us similarly like any poacher/ashwinder brute or heavy hitter. Those spells were not friendly, and seemed like he wanted to get rid of us first, then deal with Sebastian. And seriously, he tried to threaten us with expulsion from Hogwarts, run by Headmaster Philius Black?
This was an amazing video! This was also by far the best questline in the game. Really wish they went even further with it. The other questlines were great too, but man, this one was stellar!
Glad you enjoyed the video, Cyber! Appreciate you taking the time to comment.
I agree. It had me in tears by the end. I just finished it last night. What a great game! I absolutely loved it. Still got lots of yrails and treasures to do and get though.
I like how many ways love is shown in this universe.
- Lily and James loved Harry so much, they gave their lives for him and gave him the power to save the world
- Snape loved Lily but in a weird, toxic way
- The Weasleys loved Harry as family, even if it wasn't by blood
- Sebastian loved his sister so much he was willing to go to the Dark side to save her
- I love Sebastian so much I followed him to the Dark side, no questions asked. That's my man and I'm sticking by him.
Yes, Sebastian acted in the name of love and that's what make him different than Dark wizards.
Turning him never was an option for me
That's why I prefer when MC casted Crucio on Sebastian and Imperio on Ominis. This story is more complicated than just "manipulative Sebastian used Dark Arts and became evil". In this story at least three slytherins who are "ambitious, cunning, and achievement-oriented": Sebastian, Anne, and Ominis.
And yep, Severus Snape killed Dumbledore with Avada Kedavra while willing not to do that. Harry Potter successfully used Crucio (in books) and Imperio. Draco was forced to use Crucio. And it is stated that someone can use Avada Kedavra being under Imperio. So may be there is a difference between "meaning it" and "willing it"?
Yes! A lot of people, both in the Wizarding World and in the real world, confuse intent with desire. If I, for example, intentionally stab someone with a knife, it doesn't necessarily mean I have any desire behind it. It could just mean that I feel I have no choice. Same thing goes with the Unforgivables. Someone doesn't necessarily need to want to cast the spell, they just need to mean it. To intend it. If Draco actually wanted to cast the Cruciatus curse, Voldy wouldn't have had to threaten him into it. Snape has had a lot of time being in close proximity to Dumbledore, who trusted him completely. He could have killed him at any time. The fact that Dumbledore literally had to beg Snape to kill him (originally we thought he was begging the opposite but the truth became apparent once we get to see Snape's memories) proves that Snape didn't actually want to. I can imagine a desperate individual using Crucio to stop someone from harming a loved one, as pain is the world's most effective distraction, and the Cruciatus curse can probably cut through the defenses of pain inhibitors such as alcohol and opiates.
All in all, I don't think any of the Unforgivables should actually be unforgivable. They should only be used as a last resort, yes. But even then I don't believe a teenager should face a lifetime in Azkaban for casting one.
I agree! I used Crucio on Seb so he understand how evil it is, and talked my way out if the cave without needing to curse Ominis
honestly he is such a well-written character... I usually hate manipulative characters but he is different. smart sharp and I'm not sure anymore if he likes us or if it is all jut an act
But he really isn’t even manipulative, he lays out his intentions the entire time.
Granted I will acknowledge the lies of omission to Ominis, but Ominis overhears and finds out anyway. But still Seb states he’s never going to give up. He literally tells us what he’s doing and why, until the end.
Fantastic video! Really loved the voice over, great job.
For me, Sebastian's story is the best thing about the game far better than the main story. The only gripe I have with it is that you are given no choice to pursue a "cure" with the keepers after you promise to do so.
Thank you!
Everyone loved Sebastian's story and yes, I agree, it's far better than the main story. We can only hope for a DLC where we are able to cure Anne 😢
This! I think all of the side relationship stories do have quite opened ending. Which would really make sense its like that due future DLC. I honestly feel like the game needs good - bad decisions that do form the story. Like if you mess up some chat, you can't persuade them etc. For example something like Divinity original sin has, you can kill npc's and even get whole town against you by attacking them/stealing things you need to loot/purchase and face concequences for your moral grey acts. Even due it being your decisions, part of story you write yourself. Being able to follow Sebastian and embrace the dark arts would be very interesting way to see things. Also unforgivables of MC shouldnt be forgotten. As Seb is almost going to Azkaban we surely shouldnt be allowed to get away with anything.
Great video. He sure is an interesting character Tho there are a few things that still bug me with all of that:
First is Solomon. I get that he’s raising the siblings on his own. He didn’t deserve to die. But he is partially to blame for Sebastian’s escalating behaviour. As an ex-auror there is so much more he could’ve done to stop a 15 year old to continue down that road. And constantly pushing him away and leaving feldcroft without telling him doesn’t fix anything, it makes it worse.
Second is the « manipulation » part. While there was some suspicion, there’s more we go through with Sebastian than just this. The duelling club, the hogsmeade trip, all the lines during the quests. Even cutscenes where he interacts with other friends in class. I just don’t think we would be given all of this, if None of them were just genuine friendship. All of these were the reasons everyone got attached to him in the first place. He did do Ominis wrong this 5th year, sure, but that doesn’t mean both of them threw all those years of friendship down the drain. The way Sebastian reacts when we say we want to learn Imperio just to use it on Ominis, proves he still cares a lot about him, even if he doesn’t realise he hurt him. Even when we consider turning him in, he says he’s glad he met us. It all comes to the first time we meet his family as he just brings Anne a fig a wanted us to meet her. No dark intentions there. That Sebastian isn’t the same as the one who holds the relic a few months later. If we turn him in he feels hatred only for the same enemies not towards us or Ominis or Hogwarts.
Third is the difference between the endings. Why would he react differently depending on who tells him about Rockwood? If we don’t turn him in, he changes his mind about goblins, gives an honest apology and actually admits letting everyone down. But if you turn him in we don’t even get a cutscene to see him being expelled. It upsets me that it’s only Ominis who get to talk to him last and not the Mc. But also, he only feels more hatred towards dark wizards. It’s like a way of telling us this isn’t the canon ending.
Whatever the final decision, I don’t think Sebastian can avoid whatever’s coming to him. Arrested or not he is bound to end up alone eventually and only then will he reflect on everything he did.
(My theory is that if he is arrested and then liberated of escaped, he will become a fugitive who tracks dark wizards. )
It only depends if the writers would give us the option to pick up where we left off. Or they’ll take the lazy route and give us just one situation to go through.
Yeah, I can't see the whole manipulation argument. If anything, Sebastian is so charming because he is genuine - he never tells Ominis he'll stop pursuing dark magic, he's honest about his intentions the whole way through. He tries to convince the player a bunch of times but he doesn't lie or manipulate on purpose.
@@mikanchan322 yeah I never felt manipulated, if anything mc felt like they were being a bit manipulative. at least towards Ominis when talking with him through the Shadow of the Study quest where we start the conversation off under false pretenses (although it was right of us to apologize about lying about how we got into the undercroft that wasn’t why we approached Ominis) But we suggested talking to Ominis to find out that information for Sebastian. Hence why we got such a response from Seb when we said we should talk to Ominis.
I like how you point out that love in hogwarts legacy became a dark theme contrast to Harry Potter. I didn’t even notice that opposite take. I do like how they portrayed love becoming an obsession where they lose themselves (Sebastian and isadora) that they lose sight of who they love. A driving theme in life is that too much of anything is never good. Sebastian had too much love for his sister, it blinded him in becoming too selfish. Same with isadora. Very tragic and sad, but very realistic as this happens to people in real life all the time. Toxic relationships where someone says they love their partner so much, yet they’re actually being harmful to them. That’s what I thought of from seeing Sebastian and isadora’s stories. Also, when Anne says “you’ve made your choice,” that felt so powerful and painful. I just kept thinking and hoping that Sebastian will learn and change for the better. :’( my heart was breaking the whole time for him and his family.
Yes! Exactly, Moose. I was thinking about doing one on Isidora next. I actually started to include it in this video to compare the similarities between the 2, but it was just too long with that included.
@@RetroRaconteur that would be a great idea for another video!!!
I really like your analysis here. There's one thing I take issue with, though - the angle of Sebastian as a manipulator.
I think he's far from it. From the first, he's honest about his goals (that he'll do anything to save Anne) and he is constantly upfront about exploring the dark arts. When you first meet him as a Slytherin he already suggests that there are spells that professors won't teach, but that he thinks should be taught.
Sebastian is genuine, which makes him so charming. He wears his heart on his sleeve and if anything is easily swayed by his emotions rather than masterfully controlling them to influence you. He shows his anger and jealousy at you easily, to the point it almost pushes you away from him (by the cave along the coast). A manipulator would hide this anger and act in a way to draw you in closer rather than push you away.
He doesn't lie to Ominis about the dark arts either, the most he does is try to hide it from him. He never promises his friend to stop pursuing the dark arts.
In conclusion, I think being a manipulative mastermind is actually the antithesis of Sebastians character.
I agree! I never felt manipulated by Sebastian. He was driven, well meaning, and completely sincere. He never pushes you to do something you don’t want to do, for example learning the unforgivable curses. He thinks you should but never makes you feel bad for not wanting to and supports your decision regardless.
Yes he sometimes lets his emotions get in the way but he’s a teenager with a ton on his plate, it’s not surprising he gets swept up in them.
Btw I really enjoy you and your friends hc about the future of Seb, Ominis, Anne, and the mc.
I’d like to think that Ominis views Anne as his own sister and would absolutely take care of her even though Anne wouldn’t want to see Sebastian. She would still want to know and make sure he’s ok.
I think finding a place for Anne to go where she’s surrounded by others who are in similar situations, who may be able to help ease her grief and pain would help her grow and help to come to terms with why Sebastian did what he did being surrounded by supportive people. Being surrounded by a good group of people can really help boost the spirit in hard times.
I like the idea of Ominis and the mc becoming closer over this. Build up their relationship and come to terms with the choices we made to get us here.
I think it’ll also do Sebastian some good to be able to reflect on everything that happened and “get away” and be able to come back to us better than ever.
I can tell he’s regretful and wishes he can undo what he’s done. I know he’ll make good on his word to try and make up for the things he’s done, to all of us.
This sounds really lovely. It’s a start to healing :)
I feel so bad for highjacking the other commenters thread and blowing up their notifications. 😅
@@elid3630 Yes!! Honestly, I think the game didn't make Seb sound NEARLY regretful enough. I understand that he's the type to try and justify his bad decisions even if he does feel guilty about them, but I wanted a more overt guilt and panic. Killing someone is something that I imagine having a very serious emotional impact, let alone if that person was your family.
I'd love to see a slow redemption arc for him!
I also HC that the MC doesn't actually kill Rookwood, but he ends up in prison. This way, Seb has a chance to confront him about what he did to Anne. Gives closure for Seb and perhaps some form of justice for Anne. On top of that it gives Seb a chance to demonstrate character growth - think Katara in the Southern Raiders episode.
@@mikanchan322 yeah I can definitely see that, there were points where the characters should have sounded more emotionally driven and instead they stayed monotone for the most part. (Ominis being the exception, the voice actor did a great job I could feel the pain, anger, sadness, playfulness etc when it was supposed to be there) even mc sounded a bit flat when there should have been more of an emotional emphasis.
I’d love to see a really nice redemption ark for Sebastian. I think we’ll see a lot of maturity come from this and perhaps a better apology. Not just to us, but to Ominis, and hopefully straight to Anne.
Oh that would be lovely! I enjoyed that episode of ATLA. It showed a lot of courage and strength for Katara to stand up to the man who killed her mother. I very much like the idea of Sebastian, not forgiving Rookwood, but getting the closure he needs to be a better person and to not stoop to his level.
@@elid3630 don't forget all the things Sebastian did to us even if he didn't have to do it.
He helped us to come in the Redtricted Section, he took the blame for us, he kept our secret after discovering it and didn't even insist about it.
I won't deserve to call myself his friend if I turned him
For me it was incredibly hypocritical to send Seb to Azkaban or to blame him for his actions, cause like...I went up and down the coast murdering goblins, dark wizards and other creatures. So him killing one man and one goblin...that's where I draw the line? Nah, I backed my boy up. I hope we end up curing Anne so he can chill a little and stop going down the evil path. Otherwise imma drag his ass out with Ominis.
I think the ending is where the game's writing really starts lacking. The fact that Sebastian faces serious consequences for what he did, yet the player does similar things and faces none, really breaks immersion imo.
I feel you. I want them to continue the story and I want good things for all of them. Sebastian, Ominis, and Anne have lost enough. We need some wins!
@@elid3630 I agree! Ideally, your choices throughout the game would have mattered - having Sebastian either back down (and perhaps his uncle dies accidentally) or having Sebastian intentionally kill his uncle (like he does in the game now). Then based on that you could have a good or bad, conclusive ending! Plus a small epilogue for each character.
As it is, my friends and I have come up with tons of post-ending headcanons and processed it that way :')
@@mikanchan322 oh I’d love to hear about them if you want to share/have the time.
I saw a short video, which unfortunately now I can’t find, where someone took Sebastian’s voice and put it into a program that allowed them to make it sound like he was writing to our character over the summer between 5th and 6th years. And it was even sadder than the ending we’re left with because Anne was still gone and he hadn’t heard from Ominis or us he’s trying to reach out to us to no avail.
And my head canon is much happier despite all the crap that happened. (Although I did enjoy that video I’m just mad I didn’t save it because now I’m feeling like I made it up)
@@elid3630 I see a lot of people on the fandom using AI to replicate their voices and it gives life to such interesting ideas!!
Alright, since you asked... 👁️
We hc that Sebastian has begged Ominis to take care of Anne since she won't let Seb near her. We've imagined that Ominis promises to do so, and he and Anne agree for her to move to a sort of revalidation centre/health resort for chronically ill, traumatised (and aging) witches and wizards.
In my imagination, some older witches and wizards "adopt" Anne as a sort of granddaughter and she finds a real community there which gives her a lot of comfort.
The rest of the school year, MC and Ominis stick together but Seb largely avoids them (and they him, tbh). The two of them might visit Anne occasionally. I think it'll be summer until Anne even considers seeing her brother again, but she will eventually decide to face him - and I imagine it ends on a neutral to slightly positive note.
It's got to be before that summer that Seb calls his friends to the Undercroft and gives them a very genuine apology - showing how deep his regret is for everything he has done and finally swearing never to return to the dark arts. Maybe all isn't forgiven yet - but after this the friendship can slowly start to heal.
Edit: I'm sorry for this comment spam, OG commenter! TT @Eli Find my comment on this YT video if you want to share more of your own ideas, too!
Saddest part is since harry potter is knows as the “boy who lived” aka the sole survivor of the killing curse, that means nobody in this game, which takes place in the past, has the slightest hope of survival, kinda terrifying
My sweet boy 🐍💚
It's such a great game. It hasn't much replay value but it is incredibly fun and the story is briliant. Performance is a little hit and miss but the visuals are gorgeous in this game too.
I take the side of Sebastian. I had no respect for his uncle at all. I first thought I wouldn't like Sebastian at the beginning, but he grew on me. He's like a cheekier Ron Weasley with talent.
I think we should call him Sebastian Skywalker :) seriously his tale is so similar to Anakin's the devs have to be Star Wars fans or at least know the general story and based it off them
100% also "What have I done" and Seb repeating to himself when Solomon always yelled at him "what have you done" 😢
@@Phoenix-pm2qr yeah and even turning on the one he was trying to save. I mean yeah he didn't start magically choking her but still had the nerve to throw in the "what have you done?" implying she messed up.
I never expected to be so torn between turning Sebastian in or to not to. In one hand while Solomon wasn't the best Sebastian at that point had gone to far messing with the infrie and throwing caution to the wind. But he was doing it to help Anne not to mention that she has no one left and Sebastian dropped his want in shocked with what he did.
Yes, he had too much weigh on his shoulders. That's a lot for a 15 yeats old boy.
Solomon's attitude didn't help for making him better
The thing is it doesn’t end like this for him. With the way they set it up at the end it sounds like he’s gonna be ok. Between the MC and Ominous he’ll have support and probably has a better story ahead! I just hope they do more with him and his story in any possible future content (Along with the other characters specifically Ominois cause he has lots of potential)
im still mad seb asked us to heal anne via learning from the keeprs and it NEVER HAPPENED. DLC or else!
I know!! They gave us this rare ability, showed us someone removing pain but not properly/safely applying what they learned and then saying that they/we are evil if we try to do it. Then they intend that we keep all of that pain stored, for what? For who? So another Ranrok or Rookwood can attempt to open it for themselves and try to take over? Why can’t we learn from Isadora but find a way to not remove all emotions? And I think when Isadora removed pain she was trying to take all pain. Not specifically from the loss of her brother. There has to be a middle ground. Although, with it being so new I wouldn’t want to use Anne as a test subject and make it worse.
Reason it doesn’t come up is because the memories make it clear you can’t truly remove someone’s pain. Doing so will leave them a shell of who they were and as seen with Isidora’s father has severe consequences. The characters ancient magic wouldn’t be the answer, plus the keepers would just flat out refuse to help when this is the exact reason they killed Isidora.
However I don’t think you would need ancient magic, breaking curses isn’t unheard of as there are literal curse breakers in Harry Potter like Bill Weasley. They now know it wasn’t a goblin who cursed her, so theoretically they could now more accurately diagnose the curse and potentially reverse it.
It’s also entirely possible that now that the man who cursed her has died, it could simply fade away over time. Curses like this aren’t very explained to my knowledge, but there are ones shown to end when the caster dies like Voldemorts curse on the Defense Against the Dark Arts position.
@@brendan9868 I hope too but the difference with Isidora's father is the fact his pain was emotional and Anne's is physical so maybe we had a chance to curing her without turning her like him
I just finished his tragic arc and as a slytherin I’m hurt to see the way things turned out for Sebastian
His MOFO uncle GRRRRRRGGH! I wanted to crucio and avada kadavra Seb's uncle.
Even if you think there is no cure there is no harm and in fact is compassionate to give the poor girl a FRUIT (shrivelfig), do pain relief , and put a smile on her face. People treat hurt/ sick dogs better than the uncle treated Anne.
In the real world, I would get child protective services and the police after such an uncle to see if he is wanting her to die quickly so he can get her inheritance from the deaths of her parents.
The uncle is pretty bad. Doesn't do anything at all to help the situation.
@@RetroRaconteur I read a fanfiction where we learn that Solomon was giving a potion to Anne for keeping her sick (he told her it was a medicine)
The timing of the clips with the story being told in this video was just masterfully placed!
Thanks, Trisha! This one took a lot of work and is an example of some of the story type videos I'd love to do more of on the channel.
@@RetroRaconteur well you did amazing! Looking forward to more :)
@@trisharenee6208 😊😊😊
It's all so tragic to be honest. Solomon honestly drove me mad. No doubt he cared for Anne - and Anne loved him in turn - but the way he handled Sebastian's situation left so much to be desired. You mentioned it, but I think he does hold a level of resentment for his late brother and just sees too much of Sebastian in him that he can't stop himself from lashing out. He had personal experience with dark magic - he should have been trying to educate him, not shouting him down at every given moment. The shrivelfig scene is a direct parallel to what happens later with the relic - it's clear where Sebastian's headspace is at in that moment. Solomon kept stripping Sebastian of agency until he had nothing left but rage.
I disagree that Sebastian is 'using' the player from the start. At the start, I think he is just intrigued about the new student who can kick his butt. When he shows the player the Undercroft, he admits to some feelings of loneliness and nostalgia - I think he's trying to recreate some of what he's lost with the player. If you turn him in, Ominis even says "I know you two became close". He wouldn't say that if your relationship was that hollow. The player and Sebastian have grown to care for each other, imo.
Sebastian also evidently still cares about Ominis - even if he isn't in the right state of mind to be a good friend to him. If you choose to imperio him, he is regretful and feels awful about it.
Unfortunately, he is willing to do whatever it takes, and it's not until he hits rock bottom (losing Anne) that Sebastian fully realises what he's done. He then stops deflecting and takes ownership. I fully believe - if not turned in - he can improve. His dialogue suggests it, whilst if you turn him in, its seems to be the opposite.
This!!
I still think Sebastian using the killing curse was very poorly written. The way he does it now, Solomon is already weakened and stumbling- he is not an immediate threat. They're having a conversation. It doesn't feel like Seb shouts the curse in a fit of rage, or being completely cornered. It looks much too intentional and calculated.
I would've much preferred if they had Seb use the killing curse in the middle of the fight, or perhaps when Solomon seriously hurts him or the MC - or even threatend to take Anne away right that moment. Something that drives Seb over the edge, that makes him feel so corneres that he sees no other way.
@@mikanchan322 I think the situation still made sense. Even if Solomon was defeated, he said "she cannot be healed, you must stop." I think that really triggered Sebastian. All he's heard him say is "stop" or put his efforts down. I think it's still feasible that Sebastian would snap upon hearing that again
@@abbiem5357 Yea, I agree that would trigger him - it just feels to me like it would not be enough to make him jump to using the killing curse. But I respect your opinion on it!
Well Solomon did have the intention of taking Anne away, (which also implied an intent to abandon Sebastian- meaning he was willing to leave a child with nothing and no one, he already “banished” Sebastian from Feldcroft and was still going to take Anne away) Anne was stalling him until we could go to the catacomb. Unfortunately, I think it all became to much and Sebastian felt so out of control he called Anne to him without Ominis or us present.
The original plan was for him to get Ominis to come and all of us were to figure out how to make a dark sacrifice but maybe something happened that pushed Sebastian to act without thinking and using the relic before he really had a grasp on it. Which is why he could only control that small group of inferi and not the whole catacomb (that and he’s only a kid and not powerful enough to have controlled more)
This is more evident in the fact that Ominis was surprised that we weren’t with him already in the catacomb. He knew we were going with Sebastian behind his back, even if we wanted Ominis to be involved.
I know this comment is a month old, but I just wanted to say, that last paragraph, I agree with completely. Sums up my feelings on the the situation.
I have a theory that Sebastian will be the villain of thr next game, I mean if you think about it this is a great villain origin story
I AGREEEE! The would be so interesting (and sad since the player would know Seb personally). Though I did enjoy the goblin/dragon big boss, it’d be nice to battle a Dark wizard.
That would suck. I don’t want him to be evil because he isn’t. Too much of a cliche
@@jo979 there’s so many storylines out there at this point, some cliches are completely welcome
Edit: Also yeah, he isn’t evil at 15. But his closest friends send him to Azkaban and it’s a bit of a wildcard
I wish we could replay the quests like in other games. A New game plus would be even better. Starting the campaign with all the spells and gear would be fantastic.
Especially because you only get Avada Kedavra pretty much right before the finale.
For sure!
@@rithrius5384 lol i got it after ending
I do wish, if a certain set of player statements were done, we could cure Anne and stop Sebastian from swan diving into darkness. Maybe even side with Ominis.
I think it would have been cool if you had a choice at the end to side with Seb or side with his uncle. The whole flight could play out the same, but either you're fighting Seb or Solomon. Even though I didn't agree with Solomon's approach, I definitely didn't want to fight him at the end.
@@RetroRaconteur This would've been a good and simple solution!!
Ideally the entire game would have had the morality system though, it would've made so much impact on the story experience.
Seb's story is meant to be a counterpoint to the Isodora story. Isodora wanted to save everyone from their pain. Seb wants to take away his sister's pain. It gives the player their own front row seat to how power can corrupt.
Yes, but the difference between them, is the fact Isidora became too greedy of power.
OK, Sebastian wanted to cure his sister but Anne's pain was physical not emotionnal
I kind of felt bad learning the unforgivables during this questline
Haha. I didn't learn them on my first playthrough, but am doing a dark arts playthrough now.
After I’ve finished his story, I felt completely empty til this day.
I regret encouraging him just because I really wanted to learn the unforgivable curses
Apparently you can always go back to him if you don’t send him to Azkaban and learn them then? 😕
Makes it even worse if you think about it though. The fact he’d even want to go anywhere near dark magic again.
Solomon’s voice actor and some of his vocal cues are the same as the Ashwinder Executioners. That’s all I have to contribute to this discussion.
Ah... power corruption, addiction and vengeance. Always a compelling story when told together. The very same story I love with the character Willow Rosenberg in 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'. One of my two favourite fictional female characters of all time.
Abuse of magic of any kind is a slippery slope to venture down, but abuse of Dark Magic specifically is the most of all. Well done on the in-depth explanation of Sebastian's tragic tale.
I sent Sebastian to Azkaban. 😆 But don't worry, because in my next play through I won't because I'm going to agree with him entirely and I'm going to cast Crucio on him instead. I'm going to go darker than he ever thought it was possible to go and we'll see how he fairs with it..We'll see how he handles becoming the physical victim to something beyond his control.
It's safe to say that I IMMEDIATELY LOVED THIS CHARACTER.
Although I’ve adored Sebastian’s character since his introduction, I still chose to cast Crucio on him. Why? Well, for three reasons: 1.) I thought logically my crucio would hurt him less than his would hurt me, since unlike him I wasn’t interested in the dark arts. 2.) We’re doing this to help him help his sister. The three of us are stuck there because of him, so he should take it. 3.) I wanted to see f he’d be upset that you want to do it to him instead of having it done to you. I was very happy to note that he seemed perfectly understanding and showed no qualms in acquiescing. A true friend indeed! 😊
Emotions can be a powerful force
Great job on this video, Retro! A well-done summary of the story, with an awesome VO that genuinely sounded heartfelt and gutted with despair. Again, well done!
- PotterheadMando
Thank you!!! That means a lot 😊
I dont know much but seems like Uncle never had intention of ever be nice to Sebastian. He seemed more selfish and weak but Sebastian went to far
I completely agree. Uncle was awful, but it's just not enough to justify Seb very intentionally murdering him.
I let Seb and his Uncle fight, while fighting off the undead to keep them bith safe... but as soon as Solomon started attacking ME with fire - all gloves were off 😂 and no way im turning in my fellow Slytherin best bud
I physically stood behind Seb thinking there was no way Solomon would intentionally hurt his nephew (and since he was focusing on attacking me), but I was wrong. Boy got leviosa’d, glacius’d, confringo’d, and near-barbecued by his uncle’s fire tornadoes! 😆
@@alexandrialeonora6542 me, I doubted the fact Solomon won't try to hurt us
I wish the developers would delve into more detailed about how to use the spell book and relic to cure Anne's curse to demonstrate the true cost of dark magic. For example, a spell to cure Anne would cost someone else's life, or something to that effect, to showcase why it should not be attempted or sought out in the first place. Perhaps it would end Anne's curse but took her youth (something like what happened to Professor Hecat), or maybe forces Sebastian to choose between killing another person to power the cure or stop. I mean, so much story potential and character building there, and I felt like they just miss a trick here.
This is well made great work, you should try the other companions too
Appreciate that, Doctor!
When we finally realize all he wanted from us was to save Anne..
Great video Retro
Appreciate it, Cloudroth! Glad you enjoyed it
At the end of it all,Sebastian went down the path of the dark arts, it may have been for a good reason, to save his sister, but ultimately it consumed him in the end. I found myself wondering what characters like Harry or Dumbledore would have if they were in a part of the story. I feel like Sebastian at least would have benefited from knowing the darkness behind Dumbledores early years, had they met.
I like to think now that Rookwood is dead that her curse could be lifted.
I think the ending is a little more hopeful than a lot of videos suggest. Seb definitely regrets what happened and if you go back to Feldcroft, there’s a letter to him from Anne saying she needs time. To me, this suggests there’s hope. I have no respect for anyone that betrays Seb by handing him in. Yes, he was in the wrong but we go around using Crucio on enemies left right and centre, as well as killing multiple enemies. It would be hypocritical to turn him in and he doesn’t deserve to lose his future. His guilt is punishment enough.
True, but finally, Sebastian had too much sadness in him because he was lonely for carrying this weight.
I wished Anne wrote to us for asking us to take care of Sebastian
To me, it’s horrible that Sebastian had enough anger and hate in his heart to cast the spell.
His use of imperio was intended to stop the goblin from killing Anne (Can’t say that about using it to kill the goblin after) so is, in my opinion, forgivable. The use of the killing curse was unnecessary but could be excused due to his mental state, but - like said - was made from partially-evil intent. But, for the most part, it did seem to stem from pure panic and desperation for Anne. It had noble intent at its centre, if not slightly selfish and due to Sebastian’s NEED for Anne for his own sake.
So, overall, I agree with him not being in the wrong (although still needing help mentally, as that was a factor in what he did).
Yes, Sebastian was all alone finally. Solomon being mentally abusive didn't help.
8:20
That scene is pure eye-candy
I chose not to turn him in because he was misguided and trying to be a hero in a world where everyone had given up on his sister but him. Sure he may have killed his uncle but we literally killed thousands of goblins, dark wizards and beasts and we also aided him the entire way. Solomon was literally trying to kill them both, I'm surprised he didn't succeed with all of the fire and the inferi so for me you could argue maybe the killing curse is a bit much but Sebastian really only acted in self defence. If using unforgivables and killing makes you evil then Harry Potter himself and most of the main cast are pure evil because every single one of them used unforgivable curses and Harry killed multiple people himself. Harry straight up tried to cast Crucio on Malfoy and resorted to Sectumsempra when it failed. He was no saint himself.
I won't say he acted in self-defense but more by despair. He thought he finally found something for curing his sister and Solomon broke all his hopes. I kind of agree with him by thinking dark magic could be the solution for curing Anne because, after all, we use venom for making remedies against it
My first playthrough I was totally on Seb's side and sympathetic. I started to get a bit unsure of him as the quest went on and after he killed his uncle and he says "Anne, what have YOU done" he lost me. On my next playthroughs I have been team Ominis in every dialogue even though it doesn't change anything.
Ugh I just wish they wrote Seb to have more remorse at the end! But the way he just stubbornly tries to blame it on others is... chilling.
It was at that point, too, that I understood he was not meant to be sympathetic or forgiveable anymore.
(which I don't think was the game's intention?)
Totally with you. I love Seb’s character, though. His story is pretty…eerie, to say the least.
No, I believe Seb is saying that to himself - what Solomon always yelled at him "What have you done".
I never told on him 🐍 🐍 🐍
Ok my second play trough as a Hufflepuff I did. 💛
Lol 😆
I love your story telling you should do one about natty and poppy! I would love to listen to more stories about hogwarts legacy.
Thanks, Rose! Definitely planning a few more story videos like this one.
Poppy's story is no match to Sebastian's, just running around collecting puffskein... lmao...
The problem with Sebastian is that he was one-track minded, unable to weigh the consequences of his actions and blinded by his desire to cure Anne. He believed the end justified the means and was willing to do anything, even resorting to the Dark Arts. And that’s the paradox of it all. When do the ends stop justifying the means?
The Dark Arts are a slippery slope. Power is like a drink; the more you have, the more you want and there’s few who can handle it. You get a taste of it and soon you grow to like it. Solomon knew that, that’s why he left the Ministry. Ominis knew that, that’s why he left his family.
Sebastian didn’t recognize it, despite all the warnings around him. He may have had good intentions, but the way he went about it drove him down a dark path until he reached the point of no return.
Solomon attacked them first, the killing Curse was justified in my opinion
For me too but more because of his whole attitude with Sebastian and us each time we see him
@@a.g.demada5263 yea
I feel this story has to continue also
Still not going to trun him in
Fantastic video! I haven't gotten to that part of the game yet. I was wondering if Anne could be saved and what happened to him.
Don't you have to want to kill someone to use the killing curse? From the fandom page:
"It is possible that the Killing Curse, in addition to requiring the caster to be a very skilled witch or wizard, also required a genuine willingness and at many times desire to commit murder. Bellatrix Lestrange seemingly implied this was true of the Unforgivables, and it was true of the Cruciatus Curse, but not so much with the Imperius Curse."
I just don't think Sebastien could kill his uncle unless he really wanted too, It wasn't and couldn't be an accident.
Thanks, Thurman! And great points on having to mean the curse.
Yeah that’s true he did have to mean to kill his uncle but how many times in life have you really meant something and then that thing came to fruition, only for you to regret making that choice. It doesn’t have to be murder of course but you can really mean something 1 moment and the second you get what you want immediately regret it.
In my mind, my Ravenclaw MC ending was:
Anne decided to turn her own brother in, Ominis feels guilty and doesn't do much but to tell what's about to happen to the MC.
Just before Anne reached for the authorities, the MC arrives at the Sallow's house with Ominis to talk to Anne and resolves to tell her that he agrees that Sebastian must learn the lesson but NOT by going to Azkaban.
The MC offers a better solution: he will cast the unbreakable bow on Sebastian... he will swear to never use dark magic again unless his life is at risk, he will swear to cease searching for a cure for Anne's curse unless she forgives him and agrees to the pursue's terms, and finally, he will swear to clean his actions by assisting in the wizardling world's sake.
The keepers trusted the repository to the MC and he promised to keep it safe. With Sebastian by his side, the MC will defend Hogwarts and the repository forever. No goblin, dark wizard or any other being will ever use that power for their means.
It is somewhat similar to what Dumbledore did with Severus Snape... drag a soul full of errors to do right and redeem himself, using his power for the forces of good.
The most interesting is... For Avada Kedavra to work, you need to really mean it, or be a very competent wizard with plenty of knowledge about the dark magic. Even though Sebastian has a lot of theoretical knowledge, he lacks the practical knowledge. So... For him saying "I didn't mean to kill him" is either a lie, or Solomon didn't die. But then again, there was a funeral and everything, so ...
Yeah, Sebastian is a dirty liar and he really wanted Solomon to die. But then again... in a fit or pure rage for Solomon to try and stop Sebastian at every turn to save Anne... It's a bit like someone saying "Don't think of horses" and the person thinks of horses without meaning too. I don't know.. First playthrough I turned Sebastian in, no regrets. Now, I See it a bit different.
But I'm pretty sure Sebastian will be the next antagonist, turning more dark either because you let him off the hook and he continues his research into the dark magic to save his sister and gets corrupted more and more, or because you did turn him in and he got more dark from betrayal and his time in Azkaban.
In the end, I think it's a more compelling story where he remains friends with you and yet still gets more and more corrupted without him realising it, and you feeling part of the blame for enabling him to do so, or something like that. Makes for a more fun narrative. :D I do hope we learn more about Sebastian's parents, Solomon and Ominis in the sequel. I think that a simple gas leak isn't the full story of what killed Sebastian's parents. I'm pretty certain Solomon had something to do with it. Solomon turned to dark magic himself before he left the ministry.
is it wrong if i think he could be a great auror? he did know dark magic but you have to how bad it is to fight against it
No, I've been thinking that! He is pretty fearless when he has a goal in mind and knows the risks of dark magic - it would suit him.
Hello,
I don't comment often or get into chat. I just wanted to say I do enjoy your videos. I'm glad you decided to do this full time. I hope it's something you can keep it up!
I'm not a full time youtuber and I'm sure there's more that goes into it than I know. I just wanted to say I think it would be cool if you could do hogwarts legacy lore videos. Kind of like how the youtuber oxhorn does with fallout.
This is a great video, keep it up and thanks again.
Appreciate the kind words, Bryant! Definitely looking to do more lore/story videos similar to this one. And thanks for the mention of Oxhorn! Had never heard of him before, but looking at some of his videos now and I think I can take some inspiration from these for sure!
Wich monster can turn him in??
14:15 I disagree killing evil with evils good, my only regret in this story as i play this game and not there yet, that i can Avada kedavra Solomon savring the pain for the twins. (I'm blood thirty mage, slaying evil should be done by people who enjoy it XD)
After the attack on Feldcroft and not only seeing Sebastian use Imperio, but also the way in which he used it, Yeah I totally ghosted him after that... The game does imply on several occasions that maybe help Sebastian is not such a good idea, and perhaps you should just "Part ways."
0:11 those who realy want power are not afraid to embrace darkness, and regardless of level or age no one likes to die. - Liliana / Subaru (from Hack)
I feel sad for Ominous. Sebastian isn't a good friend to him.
No, he's a good friend because he trated him as family but with Ominis who didn't want to use dark magic, Sebastian was alone finally
@a.g.demada5263 Sebastian uses Ominous and disregards his feelings. Ominous doesn't want to explore dark magic.
@@JoPlaysSims well, with Sebastian's situation, we can say he's not in the mood for being a good friend for him. But with what he said to us when he shows us the Undercroft and his way to talking about Ominis shows they're close
anne should aknowlege their uncklw was the qrong, he attacked both sabastian and the main one, they had a right to defend themselves. self defense is a defense. that and her was also in the wrong for dystroying that rellic. he was also not greate to them. she knows that and yet chooses not to admit that, as the uncle manipulated her, took advantagde of her. sabashin is innocient.
Did anyone notice how Solomon wasn't dead yet when Anne came to him
Yes, I was sure I saw him moving
in the next game. i think if we can heal Anne. Sebastian will die, or if we fail to save Anne and she die Sebastian will never forgive us forever. 😥😥
Why would Sebastian die?
We need a part 2.
Kogawa vs Hooch
Hagrid vs Howin
Trelawny vs Onei
Sinistra vs Shah
Dumbledore vs Black
And of course Binns vs Binns 😂
I couldn't turn him in, for one thing we'd be hypocrites (be honest you used the unforgiveable curses a crap ton when you got them), he helps us throughout most of the main story and lastly, Azkaban is no place for a teenager and he'd most likely only end up worse than when he went in
To be honest, my first playthrough was a good Gryffindor and I didn’t even learn the unforgivables 😅
Great video. Both Sebastian and isadora are the same not giving a damn about the consequences of thier actions . I sent him to azkaban were he belongs.
This guy making his voice deeper and more dramatic is kinda annoying tbh
Sorry you find it annoying.
I hate this specific storyline in this game.
Too much Game of Thronesy not much Harry Potter type.
If its HP the Feel, should be HP.
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The whole subplot makes little sense. If Rookwood wanted Anne out of the way so that she didn't blab what she saw, what would the point of giving her such a malingering curse? (Also, what was his damage against kids?) And there is literally no reason it should be incurable. Rookwood's death should have ended the curse on Anne, or barring that, the MC could have used Isidora's technique of removing pain to literally take the curse out, as that's just what the curse was; pain. Perhaps Rookwood's ancestor could have shed light on a curse that was a sort of 'family secret'. Or at the very least, Rookwood could have been captured instead of killed and interrogated until he provided the countercurse. Would the little waterfall in Gringotts that 'washes away all enchantments' have worked on her? That's goblin magic, not wizard magic, and Rookwood could very well have learned how to cast the curse itself through his association with goblins, which would make it a neat way to undo it.
I was pretty sure our ancient magic will be the solution for curing Anne. After all, her pain was physical and not emotionnal