And there we have the solution: Harry gen1 should keep the Yaris gen1, and Harry gen2 should buy the Yaris gen2. Compare again in three years (the cars, not the Harrys).
*Important to note that Toyota always tries to improve their product by at least 2 ways:* 1. Drive it, break it, improve it. 2. Listen to customer feedback and act on it. I wish all manufacturers were so laser focused on this.
@@GT3.00 thank you ,i didn´t knew what series was the current one,i had only in the late 60´s and 70´s landcruisers but anemic with a unpowerfull diesel engine ,it drove maximum speed not even 60 miles an hour or 100 kms/hour
These videos of father and son are tremendous as I think another perspective is welcome and very informative, Charlie is a welcome addition to this side of the camera 🏴👍🏻
“It flatters you and makes you feel like a far better driver.” Absolutely this, I’ve tracked my Yaris and it gives you the confidence to explore its limits, I can’t see me selling it.
Even if cost was no option, the GR Yaris would be my 'pottering about town' car, especially with British weather. It's just a sensational little car and a rally homologation will always be cool.
I bought one with the same mindset but after 2,5 years I just can’t keep it anymore for this purpose. It’s a car for speeds between 30-70 mph. Under 30 its suspension is harsh and engine under 3k rpm is laggy and gutless. Above 70 mph the road noise on everything but quiet asphalt is deafening (81db on our highway). So if you live in the Cotswolds like Harry where there is no traffic of highways it’s perfect. But otherwise it gets on your nerves real quickly. Greets from Belgium!
@@ericuyttebroeckwear some earplugs? Honestly the wind noise when riding a motorbike is way above 81Db but you don’t see people handing their bikes back because of it.
@@paulhancock Totally agree, I’ve done multiple track days dry and wet and the Nurburgring. I find it great at low speeds, motorway/autobahn speeds and it decimates all on an A/B road especially in the wet.
@@ericuyttebroeck Well it's a sports car if you want soft suspension buy a Range Rover or BMW. It's a heavily turbocharged car you can't expect to have all the power all the time also if you want a quiet car buy a BMW or Range Rover. I don't get it people like you buy these kind of cars and then whinge about them.
With you commentating at Goodwood I didn't think we'd see a video from you today, Harry. How very organised of you! It was great to hear your commentary, by the way. Great addition to the FOS coverage.
I really like the fact that Charlie has his own views and is not mearly a yes man to his well respected dad. Happy to see more father and son content coming our way very soon 🙂
The best part is this car will still be perfect in 15 years time. I own a 2006 Runx RSi and it's still mint with still amazing performance with the 2zz ge engine I think it's called a Tsport in the UK. 97 000km on it. Great review 👌🏻
Always great to see Charlie in front of the camera; always adds his own insights, I think you two do a great job of the 'deep dive' road test of a car, keep more coming soon... ;)
To fix the clutch feel get a bushing insert or even complete aftermarket replacement for the lower torque mount and it will transform the clutch feel by taking out the slack, especially once the original bushing gets a bit worn out.
Love it when you do father and son's review. Being around the same age as Charlie it''s interesting to hear what he has to say. Feels like my father and I talking.
The dyno numbers (26:43) are crazy good. That torque bump over stock is almost everywhere in the rev range. That is *totally* worth the tuning cost as you essentially get an engine upgrade rather than a simple remap. Very impressive.
Worth the cost until the engine goes bang and Toyota refuse to warranty it. For me, one of the best things about my GR is the 10 year warranty and the peace of mind that comes with it.
Is this not used as a daily van on a working farm? That said my GR Yaris is also a 2021 car and although I’ve got nowhere as many as Harry’s car, the bonnet does get stone chips.
Mine has 3000 miles on and already has half a dozen chips despite doing less than a few hundred miles on the motorway. The forums are full of people saying the paint is wafer thin.
But how do they know the OEMs’ tolerances? When they first tuned GTRs they claimed the OEM engine block was ‘good for it’. A couple of years later, Litchfield provides upgraded engine blocks because the OEM’s were cracking 🙄
@@jamesarmitage8399 He went to Litchfield and asked them for all the upgrade packs they do. Alongside £25,000 from Litchfield to promote them so Litchfield basically told JWW to do one and Chris Harris then exposed him for it. Basically entire car community ripped a chunk out of him over it.
Harry, just to say, thank you. I really enjoy your videos and the content on this channel is great, one of my favourite channels. I honestly can’t fault a thing you do and I look forward to seeing your videos every Sunday. Nice one 👌🏻
I am a GR Yaris circuit pack Owner, I bought at 2021, I have been using during 3 years as a daily car, some travels and for some circuit runs. It's 50.000Km. No problem with rear suspensions and nothing. Of course I don't use the car as a cargo truck, of course. I am very happy with it.
Brakes are the same on all three models ! It's mainly wheels, springs and LSD on the circuit, convenience has loads of additional tech features, HUD, Sat Nav, Parking Sensors, Blind Spot Monitor, JBL.
Thank you for bringing in a perspective of the new GR Yaris. Considering the price increase, I’m happy to hang onto my original GR Yaris for another long while.
I retrofitted the Satnav and heated steering wheel to my Gen1 circuit pack (the wiring is there from the factory). I also retro fitted the FMIC water cooling with parts from Japan, thou you needed to make your own wiring loom but the mountings are there from factory.
An interesting update on the GR.👍 Charlie is obviously smitten with the little Yaris!😀 The Gen 2 may be a "better" car but a very sensible and informed decision to stick with the old one IMO. Apart from the price difference, the purchase of the new one would probably start a whole new modding journey. If ever a car was made to "tinker" with it's a GR Yaris!😂👍
A couple of months ago I didn't own a GR Yaris. However, after seeing the price rise and a couple of changes I didn't like - like the dash - I went ahead and bought a Rallye here in Australia, which fortunately is like a combination of the Circuit and Comfort/Convenience pack in the UK. This review only reinforces to me that I made the right decision for me. I'll be going down the same route you have - a tweak to the suspension and a tune and that's it and I'll be happy with that. They are great cars.
I just bought my Rallye too. I like the fact that the 1st Gen has proper dials on the guages, and a $20k saving for a car that was still essentially new was a no brainer.
Absolutely love my GR Yaris that I also have had for over 3 years. Such a capable fun car. I have got a new Mk2 GR Yaris coming in November and am fascinated to see how it compares. I went for a manual in precious metal 😃
I got my Gen 1 in March 2021 and was extremely lucky to get my hands on one. It still flies under the radar for the most part, which I love and the residuals are insane. I do wonder where all the other GR's are because I know its limited run production but I've seen so few on the roads. I wonder if there are lots under covers in garages. Anyway, apart from me dropping an adventure bike on it and denting the bumper, it's not needed any remedial work of any kind. I don't fancy my chances much of getting my hands on a Gen 2 though. I've nagged Toyota about it but they haven't been very responsive!
I've replaced my tyres with Continental sport contact 7s. I suspect I won't get as much out of them as Harry and Charlie can, but they've reviewed even better, are newer technology, cheaper, and easier to find.
@@nSpiraliArchitectb 😂 you got me there. Albeit I have my fair share of what this car is capable of, been the best ownership of a car ever since 22, and much like harry, I m keeping it, not trading for the 2nd gen.
Normal cruise in on the old model too, just hold the cruise button down around 3 seconds and it drops the radar version, which brakes way too early IMO.
great review lads....the problems Toyota fixed are justified.....i test drove one when they announced they were going on the market in Australia and the first thing i said to the salesman after sitting in it was " can the seat be lowered?" ...no......"why is the rear view mirror so low"...."that's the way it is".....the high beams suck......the " start stop" is crap (takes forever to settle after it has started)....i kept it for 2 and half yrs.....traded it in for new Type R.....perfect seating position and gear shift....great headlights and has room to boot too....yeah it is more pricey but i can seat 4 people in comfort and has a big boot too.....i am eyeing a GRMN from Japan to import back here.....still a little pricey but hopefully in due time prices come down....keep eye the great content 🤜🤛🍻🍻🍻
Great review guys! Think I'll stick with my Gen1 GR Yaris for now, as I don't have £15K+ to go to the Gen2! Scarlet Flare is THE BEST COLOUR...! Might need to get my wheels repainted though, because they look great on your car in gold!!! Cheers, Ross.
You guys out of all things........commenting about the dash. Its a cheap Toyota Yaris fgs, its lucky to have any dash. I mean even Harrys son here, got stuck into his GR Yaris with a pocketnife to change it more to his liking!!
Thanks for this insight that really confirms what I've been thinking. If you have a Gen1, keep it & enjoy it, not worth going for the Gen 2. But, if you were not lucky to get a Gen 1, go for the Gen 2 ! Furthermore, I'll really have to think about that Litchfield Stage 1 tune. Looks like the sweet spot for B-road fun due to that extra torque. Suspensionwise, what is the stiffness of your new springs ? "Track pack" OEM springs are 37N/mm. I've been thinking for the past three years I've had the car that the "issue" wasn't the spring rate, but rather how the damping has been calibrated. I've been looking around different AM suspension providers, but haven't found any maker keeping approximately the same spring rates (soft & stiff enough for B-road fun taking into consideration the inevitable degradation of our French roads) and really improving the damping behaviour (except for BOS - who have provided suspensions for the WRC Yaris - but they really have a problem with after sales service for us private clients...), so still waiting to come across a maker that is able to provide an upgraded damping at a reasonable price range.
Brilliant content as always Harry and been enjoying your thoughts since evo. Non slip mat under the screen for phone and press the map button for navigation. There are even wireless car play / android auto dongles if you don’t want a cable tethering your phone. Love my Litchfield ECUTek fettled GR Yaris, also a Scarlet Flare Red. HKS exhaust and Eventuri intake give it a nice voice too. Oh and I’m 6’2” and the mirror has never bothered me, I guess I’ve just got used to it like an F1 driver with the halo bar ha ha.
Thanks for another top video. It would be great to see the Yaris pitched against a GR86, both very similar prices and availability here in the UK with different approaches to smiles per mile. The 86 seems to have been missed by your superb channel which is surprising considering it did so well against the big hitters in ECotY 2023, I’m sure many of your viewers would be interested to see a HG review!
I missed out on the uk ballot for a mk2, rather gutted. I love the way the dash curves into the driver. The infotainment stuff is in a better place. As a 6ft 3 human, that's most week days, i appreciate the seat drop. Watch these get flipped for 50k plus.
I was wonder what Harry had done with the GR. Been on same journey and timeline with mine and still love it. Nor going to be changing for the new one. For what ever the improvements made , the lift in purchase price is disproportionately higher for the new car.
Great video. I am in the same boat, more than happy with my Gen 1 but had the option to order a Gen 2 (No ballot in the country I am residing in). Road noise from the PS4S I agree with, however when switching over to Nordic winter tyres as are compulsory in my part of the world, the road noise is so much better.
Great video. Great car! I tend to buy older used Toyotas, since we pay cash and do not want to complete with new car buyers who take full loan. Soon the Yaris GR will be within reach! My last Yaris was a 999cc auto of around 1999 vintage in 2019.
Great video. FYI Black Circle has P4s tyres in stock, had two fitted last week no problems with ATS tyres in Weston-super-Mare, did an excellent job. Also to note when you are using Apple carplay the map button puts the map back on the screen if you are using any other function within apple or menu on the the unit, so it's a really cool feature.
Fantastic father son review. I feel like the interior on the new one already looks aged by modern standards but somehow quite cool, like a modern lancia integrale
Reason they dont have the badge is the MK2 technically isnt a homologation special any longer. Kinto program in Japan had the software settings, like throttle response available. Never did make it here though
With sadness I sold mine on after 36k miles and loved it on and off track. Another great video although don’t quite get the challenge with tyres. The Michelin’s were phased out hence supply challenge so I fitted Conti Sport Contact 7s which I found to be at least as good, if not better.
When you show the image of the rear damper is that really all the suspension travel that it has? Just a guess, but if that is the actual travel it makes sense why the upper mount was destroyed. It is likely bottoming out the bump stop with regularity.
i had the previous model some years ago it looked inside like a high-end luxury/sport car ,i used to race with powerfull sport cars and always left them behind , after maybe 7 monthes i couldn´t look at it ,so i sold it for 50.000€ and in two days , i waited 6 monthes for it to arrive and in second hand was the regular price asked, new cost me with all extras 43.000€(manual gearbox, automatic doesn´t even make sense), this new look Yaris, maybe a great car also ,toyota is a trusted brand i also bought two hilux trucks with doble cabin to my work as a agricultor and it surprised me for the best ,incredible how good they are . The previous model was very good also so when buying this new ones i thought they would be worst but no just perfect in the most dificult terrain, they already made 2.000kms in the worst roads or ways in the countryside and it drives good in all, maybe i´ll keep them for more 5 years ,they have already 2 years. The Yaris when i bought it ,it was like buying a toy ,i had no need for it but bought it anyway and old porshes and ferraris couldn´t catch up this inside the city circuit at late in the night or early in the morning when the cops are drinking whiskey in a BP gasoline station that sells a bit of everything so inside the city no cop of trafic at those hours, i remenber passing through my old highschool in the center of the city at 2 in the morning and looked down for a second and was driving it at 190 km/hour and behind me a carrera from 96 and a mondial that i don´t know the year , the circuit we made is filled with turns and some straight sections of road but no more than 500 meters or half a km, inside the city we live and were born , this friends i have met them when i was 4 years old in kindergarden
I have 2021MY with circuit pack. Genuinely best car I’ve owned £4£ (McLaren and Ferrari in garage too). Take it on track regularly and it’s been fantastic and faultless. Actually I don’t like the look of the interior on new model… far too 1990’s. She’s a keeper…🙃
Brilliant video, brilliant cars, I will be keeping my Gen1, not enough differences to change into the Gen2, you might have persuaded me to do the Litchfield map though. I also think you have made the right decision to keep yours, the Gen one is the original and imo the one to keep.
The numbers at 26:43 make the tune 100% a good idea. The torque bump is *huge* and it's all over the rev range. I'm sure it massively improves everyday use. A bargain for 950 (pre vat).
Brilliant! Love my non circuit pack gr. God only knows how fast you have to go on the road to notice the difference between the standard car and the circuit pack. Dumping the Dunlop’s for Michelins was like going from dial up att&t to 5G.. dump the tyre squeal to getting home and looking at your tyre shoulders and going: Damn!.. melted tyres!! 😮
@@jonathancollard3710 It was widely known Toyota made a loss on every first gen GR Yaris. You've got Civic Type R touching 50k and Toyota saw how popular the first gen GR was so I think it was only natural they were going to put the price up.
Had mine for a good year, amazing little car , seat ride height is a bit high, gearbox not as smooth as i would like it, engine is amazing it likes being reved out to redline , brakes are amazing, lost a engine mount
I've been out today in my gr yaris cp and I will never sell this car, had a collins performance map stage 2 with exhaust and I can't stop driving it ! It is addictive to drive Plus the dashboard in the new one is horrible and it is very expensive simples ❤
Great reporting lads! Has really confirmed I have zero interest in one. So much more interesting stuff out there for that money. These are about as interesting as washing machines
Charlie/Harry, get that dent fixed ASAP, the longer it sits, the harder it is for paintless dent removal. It can definitely be done, there is no crease and it will probably be cheap as well, the longer it sits, the more the metal will adjust to the new shape and the harder it will be to go back
Great video chaps. Happened to see you wandering round the pits at Goodwood FOS last week so have got my son checking out your channels. Even better to hear your voice commentating particularly when that 2000 BHP new Lotus did an unscheduled 90 deg turn into the straw bales off the start line!
You fellas are lucky. In Australia they make us bring it in for service every 6 months or 10k kms, which in time gap is crazy. They stitch us up or the 5yr warranty is in jeopardy. My one has been faultless, 3 years old, 15,000km. Love it. Super nice as a 2nd car. Extremely capable. Have ordered a 2025 but its price depending, so this comparo is very important for my decision making. Thanks gents.
@warboyrb Kind of the same here in the UK re: bringing the car in at 6month intervals. Difference is there’s the annual service but 6months later it’s an inspection visit (torque wheels, fluid checks etc). If I get the annual service done at a Toyota main dealer (which I do) the 6month inspection is free.
Great Review, with the Steadying hand of Charlie. You would hsve gone for the NEW one with Track Mode and all the extras, I know. ! But you have already got most of the Mods you like ! Let the Newcomers go for the "latest gizmos" ! There are ALWAYS more mods you could do to it. ! More of the Duo Combo please. ! Stu xx
Great video as always guys! I’d love to hear about how this car performs on track. Specifically around the mods too, as it’s something I think a lot of people consider with these
Didn't imagine that Toyota can improve on perfection but they did with small subtle changes that make one big change for the better on gen2 Yaris GR. Thanks Toyota for still making proper hot hatches ❤❤❤ Great video keep up with great work 👍👍💪💪😊😊
Thanks! The Gen1 audio quality is significantly better using CarPlay/DriodAuto as the BT connection uses a crap codec! A £40 wireless adapter is a good move. In your first vid Harry said suspension was a necessity but standard power was sufficient...so guess he was out voted on the remap! Personally the standard is OK for road use as it can carry sooo much through the bends and that's it's natural environment. The front grille plastic is putty, lots of owners suffering from pheasant ingress...the most expensive bird I've ever put in a bag! 😂 Gen1 will be the future classic like the Golf GTi etc so I'm keeping mine!
Thank you! What a gem the Yaris GRs are! More "Harlie" (Harry-Charlie) reviews please: you work well together. 1. Your hard dampers and shocks might be trashing your upper shock mounts. There must be upgrades available. 2. Your non-issue with the dash screen height is probably because you're both tall. 3. The road noise is also a result of you having the back seats down and the cover missing. 4. Your mods make your older one superior, but out of the box, the new one would win. 5. Those radiators in the outer flares on the new one are going to cost lots of people a lot of money with light weight bumper bashings.
So many mods! Stunning pocket rocket of a Toyota - yours and the new model. You two are great co-hosts and Charlie comes with so much technical detail. Strong partnership. Who handles the camera when Charlie is in front? Mom? If so, nice videography,
Great review and entertaining as always. You mentioned the lack of satnav. I have a standard Yaris which is perfect for hacking around London, assuming the GR is the same, you have the facility to plug in your phone and use CarPlay, which gives you Google maps, your music and all your phone contacts. I find Google maps which is constantly updating itself far superior to on board mapping.
I'm interested to see what the Gen 2 does to the values of the Gen 1 cars. Hopefully there will be lots being traded-in and it'll bring the Gen 1 down to my price range.
I think it's lovely and always comes across just how proud Harry is of his son whenever they do these videos together. Ps would love to know what the conflict of interest was about doing the Goodwood commentary? The other guy didn't seem pleases at all that he was co-hosting with Harry.
Thank you Harry gen1 and gen2 on the gen1 and gen2 Yaris review .
And there we have the solution: Harry gen1 should keep the Yaris gen1, and Harry gen2 should buy the Yaris gen2. Compare again in three years (the cars, not the Harrys).
Should be a pinned comment.
I’d keep the sorted gen 1
Great watch 🙏🏴😎
*Important to note that Toyota always tries to improve their product by at least 2 ways:*
1. Drive it, break it, improve it.
2. Listen to customer feedback and act on it.
I wish all manufacturers were so laser focused on this.
can anyone say 79 series.....
@@pedrotheswift5937 what is 79 series? yes i can ,maybe when i´m high and drunk i might have dificulties but it´s 8.05 a.m. and i´m fresh
@@RUfromthe40sLandcruiser
😂@@RUfromthe40s
@@GT3.00 thank you ,i didn´t knew what series was the current one,i had only in the late 60´s and 70´s landcruisers but anemic with a unpowerfull diesel engine ,it drove maximum speed not even 60 miles an hour or 100 kms/hour
These videos of father and son are tremendous as I think another perspective is welcome and very informative, Charlie is a welcome addition to this side of the camera 🏴👍🏻
I’d like to know if this show will someday become “Charlie’s Garage.” He has good insight when they record these together.
...theyd be all.....manuals for sure!!!!
It's very commendable that Toyota actually paid close attention to customer feedback and used it to upgrade the car.
And ruin the interior
“It flatters you and makes you feel like a far better driver.” Absolutely this, I’ve tracked my Yaris and it gives you the confidence to explore its limits, I can’t see me selling it.
Harry...
Of all of the things you can rightly be proud of, your greatest achievements...
Your son is the pinnacle.
Even if cost was no option, the GR Yaris would be my 'pottering about town' car, especially with British weather. It's just a sensational little car and a rally homologation will always be cool.
I bought one with the same mindset but after 2,5 years I just can’t keep it anymore for this purpose. It’s a car for speeds between 30-70 mph. Under 30 its suspension is harsh and engine under 3k rpm is laggy and gutless. Above 70 mph the road noise on everything but quiet asphalt is deafening (81db on our highway). So if you live in the Cotswolds like Harry where there is no traffic of highways it’s perfect. But otherwise it gets on your nerves real quickly. Greets from Belgium!
@@ericuyttebroeckwear some earplugs? Honestly the wind noise when riding a motorbike is way above 81Db but you don’t see people handing their bikes back because of it.
@@paulhancock Totally agree, I’ve done multiple track days dry and wet and the Nurburgring. I find it great at low speeds, motorway/autobahn speeds and it decimates all on an A/B road especially in the wet.
@@ericuyttebroeck Well it's a sports car if you want soft suspension buy a Range Rover or BMW. It's a heavily turbocharged car you can't expect to have all the power all the time also if you want a quiet car buy a BMW or Range Rover. I don't get it people like you buy these kind of cars and then whinge about them.
@@teabagtowers3823 If it's a sports car you want with soft suspension, buy an Elise! Nothing rides/handles as well and BMW/RRs are NOT sports cars!
With you commentating at Goodwood I didn't think we'd see a video from you today, Harry. How very organised of you! It was great to hear your commentary, by the way. Great addition to the FOS coverage.
Very envious of the cylinder mower
Great video, love to see Charlie on the channel he's a well spoken young man and will definitely carry the enthusiast torch with grace.
Yup. Harry Jr. is as competent and polite as his dad. Fine young man! (Charlie, of course).
@@jamesallison4875 Had a very expensive education.
I definitely prefer the older interior and analogue dials.
I like the dash and dial layout they have in the WRC car. Both GR models are nothing like it. Very weird.
I really like the fact that Charlie has his own views and is not mearly a yes man to his well respected dad. Happy to see more father and son content coming our way very soon 🙂
Harry was correct in the UK it was offered as Standard, Convenience or Circuit
Yup. There were packs but you didn’t have to choose one.
The best part is this car will still be perfect in 15 years time. I own a 2006 Runx RSi and it's still mint with still amazing performance with the 2zz ge engine I think it's called a Tsport in the UK. 97 000km on it. Great review 👌🏻
A Corolla Tsports is it
97k km is nothing even bmws can last longer than that...
Always great to see Charlie in front of the camera; always adds his own insights, I think you two do a great job of the 'deep dive' road test of a car, keep more coming soon... ;)
Having the rear seats folded hugely increases car noise!
Having rear seats out increases it even more lol
To fix the clutch feel get a bushing insert or even complete aftermarket replacement for the lower torque mount and it will transform the clutch feel by taking out the slack, especially once the original bushing gets a bit worn out.
I've owned mine since they came out and it still frustrates me to no end at times
Love it when you do father and son's review. Being around the same age as Charlie it''s interesting to hear what he has to say. Feels like my father and I talking.
Great to see the Yaris gr back on the channel as lost interest in supercars
The dyno numbers (26:43) are crazy good. That torque bump over stock is almost everywhere in the rev range. That is *totally* worth the tuning cost as you essentially get an engine upgrade rather than a simple remap. Very impressive.
Worth the cost until the engine goes bang and Toyota refuse to warranty it. For me, one of the best things about my GR is the 10 year warranty and the peace of mind that comes with it.
I’ve had mine 3 years and am ready for a remap.
@yetidh9 lol 10 year warranty is useless when toyota is denying warranty for vehicles with less than 30k miles. clutch is braking down.
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Don’t get one then…
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 why would there be clutch failure on unmodified vehicles? Obviously if you tune the car and get clutch failure then it’s on you.
I love it when you two do a collaboration.
I’m shocked that you’re shocked that a 3 year old car still looks in good nick 🤷♂️
Especially one that's only done 19k miles
Is this not used as a daily van on a working farm?
That said my GR Yaris is also a 2021 car and although I’ve got nowhere as many as Harry’s car, the bonnet does get stone chips.
Mine has 3000 miles on and already has half a dozen chips despite doing less than a few hundred miles on the motorway. The forums are full of people saying the paint is wafer thin.
@@lptomtom 9284 miles isn't it?
@@sultanoftippoo3857 yeah it was just the way he said it as if it was 10 years old
Best thing about Lichfield is they keep everything well within tolerance. Nothing goes bang
LiTchfield...
And they exposed that clown Mr JWW
But how do they know the OEMs’ tolerances? When they first tuned GTRs they claimed the OEM engine block was ‘good for it’.
A couple of years later, Litchfield provides upgraded engine blocks because the OEM’s were cracking 🙄
@@teabagtowers3823 In what way? As watched odd 1 or 2 of his videos & seems ok?
@@jamesarmitage8399 He went to Litchfield and asked them for all the upgrade packs they do. Alongside £25,000 from Litchfield to promote them so Litchfield basically told JWW to do one and Chris Harris then exposed him for it. Basically entire car community ripped a chunk out of him over it.
Harry, just to say, thank you. I really enjoy your videos and the content on this channel is great, one of my favourite channels. I honestly can’t fault a thing you do and I look forward to seeing your videos every Sunday. Nice one 👌🏻
Thank you both for this, a very honest review, as a Gen 1 CP owner of 2 years I won’t be changing. Oh and it’s the homologated one 😉
Harry's comment regarding the road noise, It is very easy to sound proof the doors, wheel arches, ceiling and trunk. Makes a good bit of difference.
Even the standard Yaris lacks any decent sound proofing so same fix applies.
I had Focal Toy components speaker upgrade and has some sound deadening added to door panels at same time. Massive improvements
I am a GR Yaris circuit pack Owner, I bought at 2021, I have been using during 3 years as a daily car, some travels and for some circuit runs. It's 50.000Km. No problem with rear suspensions and nothing. Of course I don't use the car as a cargo truck, of course. I am very happy with it.
Circuit Pack only got red calipers, no changes in hardware between specs. All of them got the same brakes
More of these father and son reviews please. Great video.
The apple didn't fall far from the tree. Charlie is a natural!
Great review! Yes, the father/son dynamic was great. Please do more of these.
Completely agree.
Brakes are the same on all three models ! It's mainly wheels, springs and LSD on the circuit, convenience has loads of additional tech features, HUD, Sat Nav, Parking Sensors, Blind Spot Monitor, JBL.
Thank you for bringing in a perspective of the new GR Yaris. Considering the price increase, I’m happy to hang onto my original GR Yaris for another long while.
I retrofitted the Satnav and heated steering wheel to my Gen1 circuit pack (the wiring is there from the factory). I also retro fitted the FMIC water cooling with parts from Japan, thou you needed to make your own wiring loom but the mountings are there from factory.
An interesting update on the GR.👍 Charlie is obviously smitten with the little Yaris!😀 The Gen 2 may be a "better" car but a very sensible and informed decision to stick with the old one IMO. Apart from the price difference, the purchase of the new one would probably start a whole new modding journey. If ever a car was made to "tinker" with it's a GR Yaris!😂👍
The dad/son review was an extremely entertaining watch 🤩👍
Been too long since there was some GR Yaris content on this channel!
A couple of months ago I didn't own a GR Yaris. However, after seeing the price rise and a couple of changes I didn't like - like the dash - I went ahead and bought a Rallye here in Australia, which fortunately is like a combination of the Circuit and Comfort/Convenience pack in the UK. This review only reinforces to me that I made the right decision for me. I'll be going down the same route you have - a tweak to the suspension and a tune and that's it and I'll be happy with that. They are great cars.
I just bought my Rallye too. I like the fact that the 1st Gen has proper dials on the guages, and a $20k saving for a car that was still essentially new was a no brainer.
Absolutely love my GR Yaris that I also have had for over 3 years. Such a capable fun car.
I have got a new Mk2 GR Yaris coming in November and am fascinated to see how it compares.
I went for a manual in precious metal 😃
New videos from Harry and Tyrell today? Oh happy day! Just clocked in at work, God bless you.
I got my Gen 1 in March 2021 and was extremely lucky to get my hands on one. It still flies under the radar for the most part, which I love and the residuals are insane. I do wonder where all the other GR's are because I know its limited run production but I've seen so few on the roads. I wonder if there are lots under covers in garages. Anyway, apart from me dropping an adventure bike on it and denting the bumper, it's not needed any remedial work of any kind. I don't fancy my chances much of getting my hands on a Gen 2 though. I've nagged Toyota about it but they haven't been very responsive!
I see 4-5 GRs regularly around Bristol. Mines a May 21 CP. love it and it’s a keeper
I've replaced my tyres with Continental sport contact 7s. I suspect I won't get as much out of them as Harry and Charlie can, but they've reviewed even better, are newer technology, cheaper, and easier to find.
Holy crap, has it been out that long! Where did the last 3 years go?
Waiting, waiting and more waiting 😅
Mines over 3.5 years old! By the time new cars arrive it will be 4 years.
@@Robiam379 you waited for 3.5 years?
Widespread psychological trauma has a funny way of doing that
@@nSpiraliArchitectb 😂 you got me there. Albeit I have my fair share of what this car is capable of, been the best ownership of a car ever since 22, and much like harry, I m keeping it, not trading for the 2nd gen.
Always great to have your son on board
Normal cruise in on the old model too, just hold the cruise button down around 3 seconds and it drops the radar version, which brakes way too early IMO.
great review lads....the problems Toyota fixed are justified.....i test drove one when they announced they were going on the market in Australia and the first thing i said to the salesman after sitting in it was " can the seat be lowered?" ...no......"why is the rear view mirror so low"...."that's the way it is".....the high beams suck......the " start stop" is crap (takes forever to settle after it has started)....i kept it for 2 and half yrs.....traded it in for new Type R.....perfect seating position and gear shift....great headlights and has room to boot too....yeah it is more pricey but i can seat 4 people in comfort and has a big boot too.....i am eyeing a GRMN from Japan to import back here.....still a little pricey but hopefully in due time prices come down....keep eye the great content
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I always learned from tyre people and car engineers: best tyres at the back.
Great review guys! Think I'll stick with my Gen1 GR Yaris for now, as I don't have £15K+ to go to the Gen2! Scarlet Flare is THE BEST COLOUR...! Might need to get my wheels repainted though, because they look great on your car in gold!!! Cheers, Ross.
I’m a bit fussy about dashboards, and I much prefer the original
The new one looks incredibly crap lol
What were they thinking with that dash ?
Same. It put me off along with the big price increase (I was on the waiting list).
@@Scarfliotti exactly! the new dash looks like a 1980's Skoda :D .... unbelievable, really!
You guys out of all things........commenting about the dash. Its a cheap Toyota Yaris fgs, its lucky to have any dash. I mean even Harrys son here, got stuck into his GR Yaris with a pocketnife to change it more to his liking!!
Nice review - thanks.
The new cars dash looks like it came from the 80's - hard square cheap plastic thing. Prefer the old cars dash
Yeap… it’s god awful… Nissan Cherry anyone? 😳
Nice to see someone who can change the gears
Good to hear Charlie's input and the fact that there will be more. Sensible lad just like his dad !.
That's good to see, maximum strength in the event of a blowout or sudden wrenching of the steering wheel.
It's an evolution not a revolution - love it I'm pinching that 😎
Nice 90’s Breitling Aerospace there Charlie!
Thanks for this insight that really confirms what I've been thinking. If you have a Gen1, keep it & enjoy it, not worth going for the Gen 2. But, if you were not lucky to get a Gen 1, go for the Gen 2 !
Furthermore, I'll really have to think about that Litchfield Stage 1 tune. Looks like the sweet spot for B-road fun due to that extra torque.
Suspensionwise, what is the stiffness of your new springs ? "Track pack" OEM springs are 37N/mm. I've been thinking for the past three years I've had the car that the "issue" wasn't the spring rate, but rather how the damping has been calibrated. I've been looking around different AM suspension providers, but haven't found any maker keeping approximately the same spring rates (soft & stiff enough for B-road fun taking into consideration the inevitable degradation of our French roads) and really improving the damping behaviour (except for BOS - who have provided suspensions for the WRC Yaris - but they really have a problem with after sales service for us private clients...), so still waiting to come across a maker that is able to provide an upgraded damping at a reasonable price range.
Brilliant content as always Harry and been enjoying your thoughts since evo. Non slip mat under the screen for phone and press the map button for navigation. There are even wireless car play / android auto dongles if you don’t want a cable tethering your phone. Love my Litchfield ECUTek fettled GR Yaris, also a Scarlet Flare Red. HKS exhaust and Eventuri intake give it a nice voice too. Oh and I’m 6’2” and the mirror has never bothered me, I guess I’ve just got used to it like an F1 driver with the halo bar ha ha.
Thanks for another top video. It would be great to see the Yaris pitched against a GR86, both very similar prices and availability here in the UK with different approaches to smiles per mile. The 86 seems to have been missed by your superb channel which is surprising considering it did so well against the big hitters in ECotY 2023, I’m sure many of your viewers would be interested to see a HG review!
I missed out on the uk ballot for a mk2, rather gutted. I love the way the dash curves into the driver. The infotainment stuff is in a better place. As a 6ft 3 human, that's most week days, i appreciate the seat drop. Watch these get flipped for 50k plus.
and putting the rear seats up quietens things too!
I was wonder what Harry had done with the GR. Been on same journey and timeline with mine and still love it. Nor going to be changing for the new one. For what ever the improvements made , the lift in purchase price is disproportionately higher for the new car.
Great video. I am in the same boat, more than happy with my Gen 1 but had the option to order a Gen 2 (No ballot in the country I am residing in). Road noise from the PS4S I agree with, however when switching over to Nordic winter tyres as are compulsory in my part of the world, the road noise is so much better.
Owning a MK-1 GR I have the same opinion as you: My GR works out at least as good as the new one.
Hope you will - as I will do - keep yours... :D
Great video. Great car! I tend to buy older used Toyotas, since we pay cash and do not want to complete with new car buyers who take full loan. Soon the Yaris GR will be within reach! My last Yaris was a 999cc auto of around 1999 vintage in 2019.
Love my GR, never a dull drive! Now, Charlie, we need an update on the Cagiva you bought.....
Great video. FYI Black Circle has P4s tyres in stock, had two fitted last week no problems with ATS tyres in Weston-super-Mare, did an excellent job. Also to note when you are using Apple carplay the map button puts the map back on the screen if you are using any other function within apple or menu on the the unit, so it's a really cool feature.
Fantastic father son review. I feel like the interior on the new one already looks aged by modern standards but somehow quite cool, like a modern lancia integrale
Good review
Thinking about buying a second hand one at the moment, quite a few out there, a few through in Toyota dealers, they have kept their value.
I imagine Paintless Dent Repair could easily fix the dent in the rear wing without having to colour match the paint.
Not often I’m doing nothing when this drops !
Reason they dont have the badge is the MK2 technically isnt a homologation special any longer.
Kinto program in Japan had the software settings, like throttle response available. Never did make it here though
With sadness I sold mine on after 36k miles and loved it on and off track. Another great video although don’t quite get the challenge with tyres. The Michelin’s were phased out hence supply challenge so I fitted Conti Sport Contact 7s which I found to be at least as good, if not better.
When you show the image of the rear damper is that really all the suspension travel that it has? Just a guess, but if that is the actual travel it makes sense why the upper mount was destroyed. It is likely bottoming out the bump stop with regularity.
i had the previous model some years ago it looked inside like a high-end luxury/sport car ,i used to race with powerfull sport cars and always left them behind , after maybe 7 monthes i couldn´t look at it ,so i sold it for 50.000€ and in two days , i waited 6 monthes for it to arrive and in second hand was the regular price asked, new cost me with all extras 43.000€(manual gearbox, automatic doesn´t even make sense), this new look Yaris, maybe a great car also ,toyota is a trusted brand i also bought two hilux trucks with doble cabin to my work as a agricultor and it surprised me for the best ,incredible how good they are . The previous model was very good also so when buying this new ones i thought they would be worst but no just perfect in the most dificult terrain, they already made 2.000kms in the worst roads or ways in the countryside and it drives good in all, maybe i´ll keep them for more 5 years ,they have already 2 years. The Yaris when i bought it ,it was like buying a toy ,i had no need for it but bought it anyway and old porshes and ferraris couldn´t catch up this inside the city circuit at late in the night or early in the morning when the cops are drinking whiskey in a BP gasoline station that sells a bit of everything so inside the city no cop of trafic at those hours, i remenber passing through my old highschool in the center of the city at 2 in the morning and looked down for a second and was driving it at 190 km/hour and behind me a carrera from 96 and a mondial that i don´t know the year , the circuit we made is filled with turns and some straight sections of road but no more than 500 meters or half a km, inside the city we live and were born , this friends i have met them when i was 4 years old in kindergarden
Why couldn’t you look at it after 7 months?
@@richardmarshall3291 i hate litle cars
I have 2021MY with circuit pack. Genuinely best car I’ve owned £4£ (McLaren and Ferrari in garage too). Take it on track regularly and it’s been fantastic and faultless. Actually I don’t like the look of the interior on new model… far too 1990’s. She’s a keeper…🙃
Brilliant video, brilliant cars, I will be keeping my Gen1, not enough differences to change into the Gen2, you might have persuaded me to do the Litchfield map though. I also think you have made the right decision to keep yours, the Gen one is the original and imo the one to keep.
The numbers at 26:43 make the tune 100% a good idea. The torque bump is *huge* and it's all over the rev range. I'm sure it massively improves everyday use. A bargain for 950 (pre vat).
@@TheJohn8765totallly agree, only the warranty issue puts me off
Brilliant!
Love my non circuit pack gr.
God only knows how fast you have to go on the road to notice the difference between the standard car and the circuit pack.
Dumping the Dunlop’s for Michelins was like going from dial up att&t to 5G.. dump the tyre squeal to getting home and looking at your tyre shoulders and going: Damn!.. melted tyres!!
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Good review - that is a staggering uplift in price for the Gen 2.
Well, I suspect they always should have been £45k list price. 🤨. But agreed, it’s a big uplift.
@@jonathancollard3710 It was widely known Toyota made a loss on every first gen GR Yaris. You've got Civic Type R touching 50k and Toyota saw how popular the first gen GR was so I think it was only natural they were going to put the price up.
Yea agree on that price tag, but now I have 35k one, just as Harry said I am not forking out another 15k or so for those upgrades.
Had mine for a good year, amazing little car , seat ride height is a bit high, gearbox not as smooth as i would like it, engine is amazing it likes being reved out to redline , brakes are amazing, lost a engine mount
I hope the new GR Yaris sells as well if not better than the old one, especially the manual.
Brilliant , thanks for this. Really needed to know since I didn’t make the short list. Glad I kept mine 😅
I've been out today in my gr yaris cp and I will never sell this car, had a collins performance map stage 2 with exhaust and I can't stop driving it ! It is addictive to drive Plus the dashboard in the new one is horrible and it is very expensive simples ❤
Great reporting lads! Has really confirmed I have zero interest in one. So much more interesting stuff out there for that money. These are about as interesting as washing machines
In the US so we have the GR Corolla, and it is such a lovable fun car that I will ALWAYS choose over others.
Charlie/Harry, get that dent fixed ASAP, the longer it sits, the harder it is for paintless dent removal. It can definitely be done, there is no crease and it will probably be cheap as well, the longer it sits, the more the metal will adjust to the new shape and the harder it will be to go back
Great video chaps. Happened to see you wandering round the pits at Goodwood FOS last week so have got my son checking out your channels. Even better to hear your voice commentating particularly when that 2000 BHP new Lotus did an unscheduled 90 deg turn into the straw bales off the start line!
You fellas are lucky. In Australia they make us bring it in for service every 6 months or 10k kms, which in time gap is crazy. They stitch us up or the 5yr warranty is in jeopardy.
My one has been faultless, 3 years old, 15,000km. Love it. Super nice as a 2nd car. Extremely capable.
Have ordered a 2025 but its price depending, so this comparo is very important for my decision making. Thanks gents.
Same service interval here
What is the anticipated price for Gen2. I nearly grabbed one in OZ at that initial $39 995 AUD offer. I get the feeling Gen2 might be over $70,000.
Do you guys get the cheap servicing tho like we do in nz ?
@warboyrb
Kind of the same here in the UK re: bringing the car in at 6month intervals. Difference is there’s the annual service but 6months later it’s an inspection visit (torque wheels, fluid checks etc). If I get the annual service done at a Toyota main dealer (which I do) the 6month inspection is free.
@@mitchbuchannon6637 nope! £350 for minor, £450 major service for all GR models
Nice to have your son on the show
Great Review, with the Steadying hand of Charlie.
You would hsve gone for the NEW one with Track Mode and all the extras, I know. !
But you have already got most of the Mods you like !
Let the Newcomers go for the "latest gizmos" !
There are ALWAYS more mods you could do to it. !
More of the Duo Combo please. !
Stu xx
Great video as always guys! I’d love to hear about how this car performs on track. Specifically around the mods too, as it’s something I think a lot of people consider with these
I got PPF done on my new motor. I'm done with stone chips and the impossibility of getting bodyshops to properly fix them.
Didn't imagine that Toyota can improve on perfection but they did with small subtle changes that make one big change for the better on gen2 Yaris GR. Thanks Toyota for still making proper hot hatches ❤❤❤
Great video keep up with great work 👍👍💪💪😊😊
Thanks! The Gen1 audio quality is significantly better using CarPlay/DriodAuto as the BT connection uses a crap codec! A £40 wireless adapter is a good move.
In your first vid Harry said suspension was a necessity but standard power was sufficient...so guess he was out voted on the remap! Personally the standard is OK for road use as it can carry sooo much through the bends and that's it's natural environment.
The front grille plastic is putty, lots of owners suffering from pheasant ingress...the most expensive bird I've ever put in a bag! 😂
Gen1 will be the future classic like the Golf GTi etc so I'm keeping mine!
Thank you!
What a gem the Yaris GRs are!
More "Harlie" (Harry-Charlie) reviews please: you work well together.
1. Your hard dampers and shocks might be trashing your upper shock mounts. There must be upgrades available.
2. Your non-issue with the dash screen height is probably because you're both tall.
3. The road noise is also a result of you having the back seats down and the cover missing.
4. Your mods make your older one superior, but out of the box, the new one would win.
5. Those radiators in the outer flares on the new one are going to cost lots of people a lot of money with light weight bumper bashings.
So many mods! Stunning pocket rocket of a Toyota - yours and the new model. You two are great co-hosts and Charlie comes with so much technical detail. Strong partnership. Who handles the camera when Charlie is in front? Mom? If so, nice videography,
Great review and entertaining as always. You mentioned the lack of satnav. I have a standard Yaris which is perfect for hacking around London, assuming the GR is the same, you have the facility to plug in your phone and use CarPlay, which gives you Google maps, your music and all your phone contacts. I find Google maps which is constantly updating itself far superior to on board mapping.
I'm interested to see what the Gen 2 does to the values of the Gen 1 cars. Hopefully there will be lots being traded-in and it'll bring the Gen 1 down to my price range.
I'm so glad that Toyota are continuing to manufacture this car. I do feel for the people that paid over the odds for one though.
I think it's lovely and always comes across just how proud Harry is of his son whenever they do these videos together. Ps would love to know what the conflict of interest was about doing the Goodwood commentary? The other guy didn't seem pleases at all that he was co-hosting with Harry.