The Strange Second Life Of Skate 3
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- Опубликовано: 14 дек 2022
- When the Skate franchise first came out it was the first skateboarding franchise to rival Tony Hawks Pro Skater. With it's open world, upgraded skate mechanics, and updated graphics, it took the world by storm. But as Skate 2 and 3 came out, the game got better, but players seemed to be falling off. Now, 12 years after it's release Skate 3 is starting to make a major comeback on new consoles.
#skate3 #skateboarding #nerdstalgic
Written by Ash Mitrano
Edited by David Sadvari 
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In college around 2014 me and my roommate got our whole hall back into Skate 3. We held tornaments for skill and map creation. Good times.
I wish I was there
sounds fun as lmao
fye
Sounds epic
I'm still playing Skate 3. The physics are perfection for me. A remaster isn't necessary. I'll still be playing it after Skate 4 flops because I have no faith in modern day EA. Would love to be proven wrong though.
i thought i was the only one on this 😂
@@nexismfb Don't worry fam there are many like us.
I just wish it got a PC release :/
@@InnuendoXP Oof I had no idea it wasn't on PC. Feels bad man. 😭
I still play it occasionally, but the game is actually very poorly and lazily made. It’s a shame it’s the best we have.
while i agree with the fact that tiktok created a mainstream skateboarding revival, the skateboarding culture never died, or even went dormant. the true skaters and non-bandwagoners stayed the whole time, pushing for support in the skate community.
Yeah I guess maybe from a gamers perspective it disappeared but skateboarding has been increasingly mainstream with each passing year tbh
Skating peaked a few years back, defs been dying last couple of years
@Dr Rhomboid Goatcabin Yeah and it was a colossal failure. The usa team completely disbanded when they got home, not that they were even the best skaters anyway.
that's the thing that annoyed me throughout this whole video, he was speaking as if skate culture just died completely and nobody knew what it was anymore and that tik tok revived it in recent years when that's not the case at all lol. It just wasn't mainstream anymore and became a thing for people that actually cared about it and were passionate about it. Skate culture never died it just went out of the public's view and went away from the hivemind zombies that plague everything in the mainstream, it wasn't a bandwagon thing and was for the people who were interested in it. It wasn't "revived" in the past few years by tik tok, a lot of people on tik tok just found it late and are acting like it never existed until now. The internet has always been full of skate videos, even in the years where it wasn't mainstream. The culture was never buried, i think it's just now people are starting to make a big deal out of it again on tik tok because that's the culture tik tok has created. People find something that has already existed for ages and then make a big deal out of it and act like it's this new quirky thing nobody knows about. There definitely has been a resurgence recently of skaters and skate culture which I am glad of.
@@tescosniffer3671 you said it best.
I also feel like Skate games were so much successful because if you skate or skated or even are a fan of the culture in real life, it's just so much more satisfying with the realistic little lines you can setup yourself.
It’s unfortunate that most you can find online is retards who trickline or glitch. Only single play is fun…
The skate 2 map was much more detailed than 3. It feels like a lived in city where as 3 lacked the detailed textures. Everything was much more smooth and gray in 3. Skate 2 was also one large continuous map where 3 was broken up into sections that had to load. For me, the perfect game would be the Skate 2 map with the skate 3 engine. 😬
dude for real, skate 3 feels like a unfinished game that was rushed to be released but.. idk lmao
Map was prettier and livelier but Skate 3 was way more „skateable“
Yes it was bland but I didn’t care. I used to skate one set of stairs for hours sometimes. So what.
In Skate 2 I either got bored or the game did not behave the way i wanted it
As a kid, I couldn’t get over everything being so oversized in skate 3. As an adult, I still can’t get over it.
the perfect example is the fact that a lot of the 3d background items like trees from skate 2 are just flat 2d images in skate 3
@@Ruben_TRM by 2010, EA Black Box was basically dead/dying - they shuttered in 2013 officially but haven't made anything after 2011, at the time they were also working on NFS World *and* NFS The Run. So it's lack of people, lack of budget, lack of morale etc. that led to Skate 3 feeling very unfinished IMO
Remember playing a demo of Skate 3 at the Zumiez in the mall with my brother back in 2010. Feel old as hell 😂
Dude… We legit have the same exact memory. You sparked it back into my brain. Damn I miss those days.
Skate 3 was endless fun… I’m excited that they are making a new one after all these years
was????
Its not the same, skate 4 is for money..
@@germandreams139 it’ll still be decent though. the parkour stuff is cool.
@@astr0saucewait until the game comes out and it fails, we’ll say “told you so”.
@@LoneWandererCollin oh it’ll fail for sure. but it’s not gonna be a complete shit game. it’s a skateboarding physics game made by the people that made skate 3. they’ll put micro transactions and other bullshit but it’s still skate. just cause i don’t like EA or the direction skate is going doesn’t mean i’m gonna mope around and lose all hope like you. grow up fr
I actually host custom maps occasionally and it feels special to play with random players.
how do you do that on rpcs3?
@@astr0sauce you gotta get a save with custom maps
@@SpiraltTheOne i have that but i’ve never hosted a room custom or not
Good video! Skate series has been my favourite series and still playing to this day. Im very excited for the new skate game and dont think I will ever stop playing this game
This game is just a vibe , its so relaxing to play , its so rare now a days its all about the challenge , the competition and the bombastic events. While this is all great, I need a game to just actually chill and relax sometimes. After a stressful day I know I can just boot this up on my old X360 and have a great time.
Skate 3 was really reborn in 2020 when the world shut down.
Everyone had been trapped inside and went to their old favorite games for comfort.
The skate 3 servers came back on and suddenly you could upload parks again! I met friends from around the world during quarantine through skate 3.
Germany, Wales, New Zealand, Canada, the US.
Hosted a few EA SLS Contests too via Facebook group.
I really hope they do skate 4 justice and the upgrade the park builder.
Fingers crossed!
awesome video! cant wait for you all to skate through San Vansterdam!
I would add to this, I am 33 years old now. I started back my love of skating during covid in 2020 when I was watching tons of RUclips during lockdowns. My 3 year old son, now 5, started skateboarding and we fell in love with the Skate 3 game to support our love of skating. It really was like going back in time coming back to this game. The skate culture of just have fun needs to come back. People during the last 2+ years of covid just wanted to have fun. Even if that means breaking your elbow while skateboarding as an adult like me, it's all worth it! Great video!
I love to play this game so much, I still do to this day and even create realistic maps, as a skateboarder the realism and creativity is amazing as well as the film option being able to make skate clips, hardcore is definitely my go to option
Have you tried Session?
@@kingjoseph5901 Session is so damn good fam I can’t stop playing skate 3 and session I can’t get enough
Skateboarding was a massive part of my childhood and is responsible for almost all my favorite memories with friends. I vividly remember my first time playing skate 3. It was me and 3 friends all crammed into on their bedrooms. We were all so pumped on it trying to figure it out. The first person who learned to consistently flick tre flips was looked at like a pro. I still play skate 3 every now and then and the memories rush back
Tbh we need to give Versace Plug credit for this resurgence in skate culture. He mastered the largest social media platform on earth in Instagram, and made skateboarding look cool to people who were not skaters. He brought his cult like fanbase into skateboarding with him.... he's like the Duwap Kaine of skateboarding, iykyk.
not to mention the serious talent Versace has. Dude has steeze for years.
I grew up skating and playing THPS on PS1 but I I'd never played a skate game until 2017. I was glad I kept my PS3 around. Ended up getting a Series S just for Skate 3 on game pass. I have Skater XL on PC and PS5, also have the THPS remaster on there, and I have Session on Xbox but I still play Skate 3 more than all the others combined.
No mention of session? It basically picked up where skate 3 left off and is the most realistic skating game we have access to. Sure it's janky sometimes but it satisfies the urge to skate a spot over and over again until you land a line or trick. Skate 3 will always hold a dear place in my heart for how many hours I've poured into it but it's far from perfect, Skate 2 is the superior game in the series so if you want to stick to the skate franchise 2 is your best bet. If you want a more realistic skating game that is modern go play session.
idk about realistic, no combination of buttons is really truly “realistic” but session is a damn good game
the way you described the history vs tiktok now made it seem like the game wasnt booming as much as it is now. when the game dropped it was monumental and within a year had millions of copies sold. its hardly getting any more or less attention at all. zexyzek is THE OG and still does videos on it today
facts
Skate series games have ALWAYS had a place in my heart, it's really cool seeing the popularity and love for this game existing in the new generation.
You can look at me and never ever guess I would be into this game.
I remember playing the first and 2nd Skate games at my cousin's place and lowkey LOVING the games before I got my own console. These were the first games I got when I got my own console for my b-day lol
Skateboarding never died just the video game culture
I probably have months of my life poured into skate 3. More than any other game forsure. And I still play it every once in awhile. Endless memories of playing with friends at my house and online. I will forever cherish skate 3 as a core memory. If skate 4 is anything like it I’m gonna love it
Yeah man, I burned so many hours playing this game, most of the time spent doing the coolest tricks I can think of and checking out all the best angles in the Replay Editor. Don't get me wrong, playing through the story is awesome, but setting up some obstacle(s) wherever you are on the map and just doing your own thing is what keeps me going back to this game.
Literally same bro I'll just set up nice lines and keep going till I hit them then look at them in the replay editor like 20 times in a row🤣
Skate 3 is a cult classic for certain. I loved that game growing up. I should pick it up again
Used to grind (literally) tony hawk games back on the PS1 and PS2 era, it is also the reason why I took upon skateboarding myself back when I was a small boy. The first Skate game I was mind blown on how the play style was and obviously it had more of a realistic (till exploits was discovered) skating experience. Me and my friends took the own spots to a whole new level and we would find random areas and compete purely on who can do the best trick on a random spot and claim it! It was so much fun! Currently right now I’ve re-downloaded Skate, as it’s the only skate game I’ve played as when Skate 2 came out I was an adult and was focusing on working and less time skating or even playing skateboarding games. Just me playing the first training area had me filled with memories on this game! I’m gonna give Skate 3 a try as many have said it’s the better game outta the 3. But my question is, is online still a thing? Because Skate servers are all offline and it’s quite upsetting as I met so many random people who was chill back then.
all my childhood playing skate 3 on the xbox 360 and it was a beautiful experience
Two things your leaving out though. Tony Hawk's Underground story was massive. It was so time-accurate, the clothing system, the characters, the hype around skaters like Tony Hawk, Rodney Mullen, Bam Margera, Chad Muska and being able to skate with them, hear them in a story-mode. That was breaking. By playing it you got to learn the community. Then Skate came and obviously the trick system was better but both games failed to do what Underground had done, a great story and forming an introduction to what the skateboarding community actually was. Everyone remembers the classis McTwist over a helicopter in Hawaii.
Besides that it was a great game for teenagers growing up, skating in that stripclub and having the bouncer throw you out, tagging posters and stickers across the city, grinding over a car where two people were getting it on. It was a game with a lot of edge that felt exciting, rebellious and like a learning phase for teenagers. The developers just simply didn't know that the little things were the gems making the game so good.
Session is solid and a great representation of skateboarding in my opinion. I hope the new Skate games take a more realistic approach as well.
i used to really like session till i played skater xl
@@-hypnotic2277 I switched from skater xl to session! Skater xl is a great game no doubt, i just wanted a more realistic experience.
@@proxybedrivin give it another try they put a lot more work into it
@@-hypnotic2277 I seem to have missed the part where EasyDayStudios did a lot of work to make sxl more realistic..
I think Session would be a lot better if it had Skater XL's controls. I hardly touch Session and play Skater XL all the time because the controls feel a lot better.
Yes tons of people still play skate 3, I remeber my first time seeing the game my uncle was playing in his custom park n I asked what he was playing n he let me play we traded crash for crash but he was crazy n I was obviously a rookie I had so much fun that day, I begged my mom to get the game for me as a kid n I continued to play it till this day, not too long ago that same uncle came into my room as I was at the super mega park n he was suprised I even remeberd the game let alone play it, the online community is cracked at the game n I always learn new tricks or glitches when I join a lobby 10/10 game
I just started playing this game on PC after a hiatus of 8 years from my ps3. The memories I have of this game are unmatched to any other game I have ever played.
How did you get it on PC?
@@MerijnKamberg Emulation
This game was so popular with me and my friends that I never even considered that it wasn't successful commercially and have been waiting years for a new skate game.
I don't really use tik tok, so i didn't know the game had picked up steam, i randomly fell into playing it again after years like, a month ago and its great to see that it's coming back to life again. It's such a great game man. No skateboarding game really captures the feel the way skate does. Good video brotha.
I was playing Skate 3 on my brothers friends xbox, and I really wish that it was available on modern consoles.
They should port it to pc
Ppl would mod it to perfection
Can get it on Xbox One. Not sure if that counts as a modern console anymore though
@@chillis9056 modern console or not, that’s really lame. i bought Skate 2 and 3 on xbox 360 store recently, then that 360 broke so i tried to install it on my cousins xbox one and couldn’t. so lame. it needs to be on everything, even switch, it’s almost 13 years old ffs
Loved this game. Still have my old copy for 360. But how do you go through a whole video without bringing up session?
Probably has zero clue it even exists
I've loved skate 3 when it came out and I always have it downloaded one of my destressors at the end of the day is listening to music and skating around
I still don't understand why EA hasn't ported Skate 3 to Steam. Id buy it instantly.
Church!
If I really had to guess, it's probably licensing all those pro skaters, in-game ads, and sponsors. Also laziness.
@@SonicBoone56not to mention the music and the fact that the og skate series uses a lot of obsolete EA tech *cough cough* renderware 4
I've played more games of S.K.A.T.E. and messed around in more custom parks online in Skate 3 than I can count. Met so many awesome people in online freeskate and just messing around with glitches and challenges was the highlight of my entire PS3 ownership. I'm pretty sure the surge and hunger for a new skate game was inevitable by the community, but really got a push when Steve Berra and the other guys from the Berrics were pushing for it on social media, and then before I knew it, every EA post on Instagram was flooded with "Make EA Skate Again" or just "Skate 4" spam. It was a wild time, and without such a hardcore community, it would have never happened. Cuz said it himself in the original announcement, and during that announcement, I actually shed a tear of joy. After getting into the playtest and seeing how open the developers are with their progress for the new game while fully taking in community feedback, I 100% believe this series is getting a full revival. Super stoked to see what comes next, but as you said, even if it flops, we will always have Skate 3 and it will always be a banger.
I stopped playing Skate 3 when my 360 was stolen. But I've filled that void with Skater XL and Session: Skate Sim.
I wasn't the one playing S3 in an arcade-y way (unless I had to for a mission). I cranked up the physics difficulty to hardcore and I'd "fakeskate", which is what old heads like me called skating realistically in EA's Skate games.
There was an entire culture behind it, including websites like LikeButter Magazine dedicated to hosting contests, posting videos, and showing off custom board graphics from the community. It was awesome.
And though it's not on as large a scale, that same culture still exists behind games like SXL and Session. As mentioned in this video, the skate culture and, thus, skateboard gaming culture, never really died out. It just went quiet for a while.
But those games changed the lives of tons of kids like me who weren't good on a real piece of plywood but still loved the art and sport of skateboarding enough to spend hours sessioning spots to land sick tricks and lines, film them, and show them off to our peers.
EA is bringing back the Skate franchise. This video mentioned that they were seeing diminishing returns with each release, although their games were critically acclaimed throughout. So why would a mega company like EA revive a decade-old franchise that didn't seem worth the investment after the third installment?
Because of people like me. Who got Skater XL and Session early access, because we wanted the satisfaction and sense of accomplishment that came with getting on a virtual board and shredding a spot.
It's more than an interest. It's a love affair.
The skate series were the greatest. To be fair though while THPS 1&2 were out, Thrasher Skate and Destroy was in competition with the series. Skate and destroy was alot like skate as far as it was a more grounded approach and the rag doll physics were amazing. I love that game.
been playing skate 3 and 2 since i was young. my 360 moves along with me so i can keep playing. so glad it's gaining popularity again
It should also be noted that for a casual audience, Skate 3 is on EA Play which comes packaged with Xbox Gamepass. While it may be a 360 game, it takes a matter of minutes to give "that cool game you saw online" a spin
Great vid... I actually played TH first... then Skate came out... Didn't look back... Still got skate 3 and really looking forward to Skate 4...
it's really amazing how far skate 3 has gone
I started with skate 3 and absoluteky fell in love with it and im dying for another skate soooon
jesus shredding the super ultra mega park with even flow in the background
that is so untrue, tiktok did not rise skateboarding it was the olympics and still youtube, there's still skate content on thrasher and all that
I discovered Skate 3 like 3 years ago and my buddies were like “oh Skate 3? F yeah!” And we played it for like 8 hours every day for nearly a year
glad you found it, been playing it since i was 8 (15 now)
The “Flick-It” controls system was so perfect, I really hope they use it for Skate 4.
I loved this game, from learning tricking, custom maps, board glitches like custom colored grip tape and many more. I sold my ps3 and skate with it and I'm so sad. Cause now I wanna buy it all back again
I feel like the spike back in 2014, 4 years after the release of the game was bigger than it was this time around. Vanoss and his friends were the cause of the resurgence back in 2014 when he started making content with his usual crew and I feel like it never truly died down. I’m sure plenty of people playing it nowadays still have memories of watching his videos 9 years ago.
After checking again, pewdiepie started releasing skate 3 videos in january 2014 and vanoss started releasing them one month later. I wouldn’t call this the second coming of the game. This is the third.
The first skate deserves more love. I enjoy all the skate games but when the first game came out my mind was blown.
The thing holding it back is the inability to get off the board. Plus Skate 1 and 2 went for a more realistic physics model, making your skater feel extremely bulky like a real person, which is good or bad depending on what you want. Me personally, I like how you feel lighter in Skate 3, albeit still far heavier than Tony Hawk games.
@@SonicBoone56skate 1, 2, it (Wii version only), and 3 all have the same physics. the only differences is difficulty in skate 3 but that only mildly affects pop height and the distance which you can land and grind magnetism
I helped some Xbox 360 DLC archivers obtain and archive all the Skate 3 Dr. Pepper DLC a couple years ago. It was the only DLC for the game that the internet at the time hadn't had access to for JTAG consoles. I had left a comment on a very old RUclips video of someone showing the Dr. Pepper DLC off themselves mentioning I had it still, and the archivers got in touch with me about getting access to my hotmail account to download the DLC again and archive it for JTAG modders which they did successfully.
I've been looking for a proper pc emulator for Skate 3 for a long time now. Does anyone have updated info?
“It never left.”
*Drops in and bails immediately*
I came back to skating after a decade without, first i broke my foot so i had a hard time flipping the board as i normally could, then i fell on a motorbike during a race and broke my back. had to struggle for a decade to get back to skating, and only got back cause i gave my son a board and tried to pop it and did a kickflip first try after all that. so yeah been back for some years now, and maaaan its good to be back riding the streets and curbs and i was the youngest airwalk rider back in the day. the only 11 year old that was decked out in their gear hehe all thanks to Hawk and Glifberg
I remember when skate first came out. You just had to be there!
I remember going to extra vision (defunct game store) in like 2013/14 to look for another skate 3 disc, they said it was too old for them to sell. Bet they never thought it would be still big in 13 years time
Still playin hella skate 3. I've got one of those skate 3 devoted channels u spoke of. Also, I too see the resurgence in this game. There's always something going on in the discord server.
Worth reminding everyone Skate 3 is backwards compatible on Xbox, and with an Xbox One X or Series X, it's native 4k. Regularly goes on sale for $5 + included in Game Pass Ultimate (via EA Play).
Skate 3 was great but it had a problem with It true to size when it came to the world around it. Skate 2 was very gritty.
Crazy asf me and my homie literally started playing skate 3 again a day ago and I come on RUclips and see this video 😂 internet stop spying on me
The fact it’s a 13 year old game and I’m still playing to this day says a ton
Still playing skate 3 here.. On both my PC and Steam Deck.
I was 16 when I played skate 1 demo at a target. My mind was so blown
Yes. And I’m close to completing all the challenges for the first time
I remember playing back in the day with my afterglow controller and everything dark so it was lighting up the room and all my friends around
got skate 3 when it came out and its great. started skating irl for a few years now and i have to say the physics in skate 3 are unmatched by any other skate game, tony hawk pro skater doesnt even feel like a skate game. i think they did somewhat of a remaster for xbox one in that you dont have to restart the game after switching to another app
I'm currently sat watching RUclips while skate 3 installs 🤣
session is a gem
We also can't forget about the infamous speed glitches in skate 3
I still regularly play and make content on Skate 3. Hands down my favorite game of all time! Really hope they don't fumble with Skate 4
THPS 1+2 remakes were pretty great. I really want a THPS4 remake, it's my favorite game in the series by a mile.
It never completely died every time I go back to it there’s always at least a few people playing it.
back in my 12-17 year old its like going oudsinde skate the local spots and play skate in the night miss this times
Clicked on this video while waiting for skate 3 to load
Skate 3 actually got an xbox one x patch a few years ago! So it's definitely not "untouched" since launch. It even runs in 4k now with upscaled textures and everything. That alongside xbox's Auto HDR makes this game even more beautifull then it is to play on the original consoles
Hope you all join us in San Vansterdam when we release!! 😉
I feel like them announcing the next Skate game has helped it come back a little bit too
I played so much skate 3 during the lockdown
I’m a skater irl and skate 3 is a must for me. Every time I am injured or it’s raining I play it, in fact I bough a Xbox 360 (in 2020) just for skate 3 but recently I got a ps4 to play both session and skater xl and I still tend to go back to skate 3 there’s something about it I just can’t tell. Tony hawk just never hit the same not realistic enough feels like the only objective is to rack up points and not skate.
Skate 3 on the hardest mode is so far the most realistic skating video game I've played. I grew up playing THUG2 and american wasteland, discovering Skate 3 was amazing as it was a vastly superior game, the controls are intuitive and if you knew how to skate you could use the same logic to do the same tricks in the game without looking how to do them. A gem that's worth playing
skateboarding culture is bigger then it has ever been to this day considering its an olympic sport now, even before tiktok thrasher mag became mainstream shooting skateboarding even farther in popularity, it was never on a decline at any point since the 2000s its literally just exploded
This was my one major gripe with the video!!
Skateboarding never really left the public eye
Im really hoping for a skate 4 in the near future 🤞
just got skate3 again. stoked
I love playing skate 3 on the go on my phone, and there's a new free one coming out soon so we'll see about that.
The background music is insanely good, goddamn
And now my TikTok FYP is full of Jesus Christ shredding the Super-Ultra-Mega-Park while Even Flow blasts from the heavens
Utterly awesome series, Just give me a Skate 3 remake or a new one please ahahaha
Skate 3 came back into relevancy back in 2017-18 because PewDiePie started playing it on his channel. It's been coming back even more because within the last year and a half they announced a new EA skate game. I'm sure tiktok played a role, but it started coming back before that. I'd also argue that most fans of the series consider Skate 2 to be the best, not 3. I'd say Skate 3 is the best for playing with friends and making parks, but the city in Skate 2 is better looking and better to ride around and skate. It's annoying that the map in skate 3 is broken up into 3 sections. I love the whole series though, they're three of my of my favorite games of all time.
I feel like you didn't give skater xl enough love, it's got a great modding community and is a excellent modern skateboarding game
Never played skate 3 but played the first 2. The first was my fav and i still play it. It didnt feel arcadey. You can just ride the same spots over and over trying to nail a specific trick and landing it clean.
I remember being in 6th grade hunting for a copy of the ever elusive skate 3
Just got skate 3 as Christmas present
I still play skate 3 every now and then, but as a skater myself I highly highly recommend skate sim, if you skate irl you'll love skate sim. It is a bit of a challenge to get to know but not to hard tbh. Like for example one of the mechanics I love about skate sim is you use one joystick for one foot and the other for the other foot as in real skateboarding. on God 10/5 stars in my opinion, unlike skate 3 the physics are realistic so no big jumps that defy logic. My favorite trick to do in skate sim is the ghetto bird, yes you can ghetto bird, Casper, primo duuuude I am addicted to skate sim
Spent so much time on this game. Great memories. I wish i still had the hardware to play it
There is a way to play on pc tho !
@@Kash.mp3 Are there videos on this?
I don't really care about skateboarding, but something about this game keeps me coming back to it. I usually just do Freeplay as Isaac Clarke, but I still love it.
If Skate 4 is anything like skate 3 then it will be great cant wait to play it
Been my favorite game since 2010 and I intend to keep it that way
Played this before my son was born and now my son plays it and loves it
great video. hwtas the song at 2:02? greets
Oh god, I remember this game got very popular about 10 years ago. But not because of the game being good or bad, but rather because of the insane glitchy physics. Don't get me wrong, the game was good, but it was plagued by glitches everywhere. Which were also surprisingly fun to exploit as well, when they didn't affect your gameplay. Too bad my PS3 died to the YLOD, but that's OK because I know it works on RPCS3 pretty well.