Fake Pilot Travels World | Catch Me If You Can
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Catch Me If You Can starring Leonardo DiCaprio and Tom Hanks is based on a true story of Frank Abagnale who posed as an airline pilot for Pan Am Airways among other things. In this Hollywood vs Reality I go through some of the key aviation related scenes of this movie and explain what is real and what is Hollywood.
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Catch Me If You Can. Distributed by: DreamWorks Pictures on December 25, 2002
All clips used for fair use commentary, criticism, and educational purposes. See Hosseinzadeh v. Klein, 276 F.Supp.3d 34 (S.D.N.Y. 2017); Equals Three, LLC v. Jukin Media, Inc., 139 F. Supp. 3d 1094 (C.D. Cal. 2015).
“We will be flying at 6,000 mph at an altitude of 300 feet”
Just another day in Microsoft Flight Simulator
“Welcome to the met life hot air balloon. Well be doing 6000 mph 300 feet above the ground, while giving the airport an inverted touch and go.”
Riding a railgun that's possible. G forces will be a little rough, though.
Meanwhile fsx online: hot air baloon break sound barier
you cant do that if you play on realism and hard
@@eltigre4419 True fsx steam player
“We will be flying at 6,000 mph at an altitude of 300 feet”
I’m just imagining a 747 breaking the sound barrier as it narrowly passes over my house
When this baby hits 6000 mph, you're going to see some serious shit
Definately meant 600mph at 30,000 feet. The only human-built things going 6000mph+ relative are satellites and spacecraft :D
dumb blonde
@whoshotdk he’s referring to the vid
@@whoshotdk yeah. The fastest atmospheric vehicle was the X-15A2 that ripped out at 4,520 mph.
My dad flew for Pan Am. He started as a flight engineer and they wore 2 stripes. He retired captain in 1987. He had one hell of a career and we kids had an exciting life. No one believes our stories but it truly was the golden age. I miss that life very much. You have a great channel and you bring back many memories with your stories. I appreciate your work. Keep it up.
You are right! Worked 17 years for TWA and 12 for UAL (IT stuff). The flight privileges were so great until probably the mid to late 80's.
Golden age is right. Free food, cigarettes, alcohol…then some idiot had to fall in love with deregulation 😛
Pan Am was an airline that I truly admired for it's rich history and image as the best in international air travel. Sad to see Pan Am and other great airlines slowly fade into oblivion... Eastern Airlines? Umm, not so much! 🤮🤮🤮🤮
"We'll be travelling at 6,000 miles per hour at an altitude of 300 feet"
FAA: "I'mma stop you there..."
@Richard Ren 6000 knots is quite different from 6000mph, lol. 6000 kn is 6900 mph roughly.
@Richard Ren wow I thought she said 6000mph
@Richard Ren the op posted 6000mph and next post was for knots. What am I missing.
@Richard Ren I once did something like that in X-plane, no overstress setting.. The aircraft's wings basically went into a crescent shape, as it simulates aeroelastics.
She said 6000 mph, though.
*Insert 14 CFR 91.117*
"i fly a 200 million dollar plane but i cant work this seat" Most real thing i've heard .
Well nowadays that rather adds up well to a rich ass buying a Bugatti and crashing it the first week. Just cause it costs alot doesn't mean it's indestructible nor built for ease of use for the simple people lol 😆
@@tbozzz8785he is a professional pilot, and the seat does not cost much.
A German U-Boat captain once sunk his submarine because he didn't know how to work the toilet.
@@StormTrouper3 OK, what? Story time.
They havent been in a simulator for that trng
I remember a case here in Brazil where a man said that he was the son of the owner of a famous airline, he was so good at lying that he got to travel anywhere using that airline, he was only caught when a major investor of the company heard about the son of the owner being in the same plane as he and he went to greet him, then they figure that he was not the son of the owner
I remember reading about a guy who used to sneak into concerts by editing the wikipedia entries of one of the band members of the band that was playing there. He edited himself in as a relative of that band member and then told the bouncers at the concert that he was family and if they don't believe him they should check wikipedia. Generally they let him in, sometimes even gave him VIP passes and so on. His edits were just up long enough to fool the bouncers until somebody saw them and deleted them again.
Oh wow! I’m going to have look that one up! Thanks for sharing that!
@@MyRegardsToTheDodo Where there's a will, there's a scam. And that was a pretty good one.
😂😂😂 onde foi isso?
@@MyRegardsToTheDodo he did that once
I was once flying from IND to SLC and the flight was overbooked and they changed planes and my seat didn't exist. No one caught this and I was issued a boarding pass, when I got onto the plane and noticed my seat didn't exist I asked a flight attendant what I needed to do. Make a long story short they ended up letting me sit in a jump seat with the flight attendants, which I didn't mind. The bonus was they let me have whatever drinks, snacks and first-class food I wanted since no other passengers could see me. Best flight ever.
Woooow, that sounds exciting! :) The fact alone that you get to use the jump seat that's intended for crew and spend the flight closer to them is kind of cool, let alone how you were apparently treated. :)
Hey, how did the pilots tell you to be quit during takeoff. Must have been an intresting experience
Aaron Adams IND? SLC? What r u talking about?
@@chriskratchman6130 IND is the city abbreviated code for Indianapolis and SLC is the city abbreviated code for Salt Lake City.
@@sauravgupte6734 I wasn't on the flight deck, I was in a crew seat in a galley area, so I never spoke to the pilots until after we landed. I was given instruction by the flight attendants.
What’s crazy is Frank didn’t just make people think he was a pilot. He tricked a hospital into paying him as a Dr, AND a lawyer. He studied and actually passed the Louisiana BAR exam. Frank also claims to have actually done the toilet escape.
Really? He did the toilet escape?? Sources please.
@@arielhernandez1638 The book is the source. It's called: "Catch me if you can"
@Albert Felsen if you are a naturally good human being, training to lie would be the toughest
It took him several tries to pass the bar, but a loophole in the process is what allowed him to keep retaking it.
In January 2021 it's been revealed that Frank Abigail made this whole thing up. The "story" is all a hoax!
Check it out on RUclips.
On the dash of the plane they are mirrors so the pilots can practice saying "I'm a pilot" 🤣 🤣
You made me laugh
If you've ever flown on a DC-9 you would know exactly what those are for. The Standby Compass is in the aft bulkhead of the cockpit and is printed in reverse so that it reads right in the tiny mirror.
@@mikepitts8352 r/wooosh
@@offyourself3986 that's not a woosh moment the video asked he is engaging with the video good luck trying to get upvotes on your lie of a wooosh though
@@jaysmith8983 no and stop liking ur own comment
The uniform came standard with two stripes. The third stripe was added after fitting.
Oh really? the 74 have a wealth of knowledge thanks!!
@@74gear Just a guess, but I believe this would have been because Flight Engineers were/are (for the very few left) considered second officers within the flight crew.
It would make sense to start off with a minimum of 2 and add from there if that was the case.
Wouter Sijtsma I just noticed that
@@tommy35ss That's what I thought, too!
Im not a pilot but that Idea came to my mind. good job thanks for confirming
"I mean... I've never done it, but a friend told me about it." LOL
Classic
That's so Kelsey lol
Chris Farley quotes always work
Asking for friend
We all have that friend
That had to be a Douglas DC-8. The mirrors were utilized to see the magnetic compass behind the overhead panel. Also, at that time, you were hired as a FE, or Flight Engineer with two stripes in your uniform. Pan Am as TWA also had professional Flight Engineer. Some of them were given the chance to become pilots and earn the third stripe.
All the airlines had professional FEs until the jets. ALPA won a case to require 3 pilots in all jet cockpits. That is why the B737 required three pilots when they were first delivered. FEIA was the Flight Engineer union and there was serious bad blood between pilots and FEs. Most major airlines merged the Pilot and FE seniority lists and they sent the PFEs to local flight schools to obtain their FAA Commercial and Instrument rating. I know Eastern and TWA both carried a third pilot on the DC8 and B707 to meet the requirement for three pilots in the cockpit. Eventually most of those PFEs had the opportunity to bid F/O and Captain.
Seems like a bad place to put an instrument if the pilot needs a mirrors to read it backwards. lol.
“We will be flying at 6,000 mph at an altitude of 300 feet”
*melting. you will be melting
Tracomaster that’s an understatement
x-15 wants to speak to you
Even the SR-71 only flew at mach 3.2, because the Titanium would melt. The engines could push the plane faster for short bursts to avoid an attack, but not very long to prevent melting. And it flew at 70,000+ feet.
To think sound speed is at only 767mph .. lmao
So my question is, how do rockets get outside of the earth's Atmosphere?
Dude: "Runway 44"
The whole Universe: "wait, thats illegal"
I giggled. Though LaGuardia does have a RWY 4, I believe.
No problem, that’s runway 8.
Just remember to do a 360 before landing or takeoff.
The thing with movies, they never show anything unless it has some sort of relevance. That's why people usually don't go to the toilet in films, or say 'bye' when ending a phone call, because it's not important and only slows the narrative. The fact that he says this therefore has meaning.
I'm guessing, these guys know what Frank did and what he's capable of. They would probably know about the runway numbering system. Him saying something that is obviously false is probably a distraction method. They'll think, he can't be that good if he doesn't even know his runways, and so they might not expect him to escape the plane.
It was all part of Frank's escape plan, make them think he's not as capable as they think he is and they might not keep a very close eye on him, giving him just that little extra space to escape.
@@jaycee330 La Guardia has runways 13/31 and 4/22
it’s between runway 4-20 and 6-9
In the final scenes Frank did escape the plane but he didn't go down the toilet. That's a Hollywood idea. He actually escaped via the kitchen when they were unloading.
Or more likely the real Frank didn't escape at all, he made it up. He is, after all, a conman. It would seem that most of his claims were false.
@@abnunga yeah that's right, it's all made up. He was in prison during most of his alleged adventures
No he did not do any of these things . Check here on RUclips , Catch Me If You Can's Frank Abagnale -Perpetrator of the Ultimate Hoax ? w/ Alan C.Logan
@@josephforest7605 Nice video, thanks
He didn't do 90% of that stuff. The biggest con he ever pulled was convincing people that he pulled all these cons.
Are we just gonna ignore how how they were having a conversation at almost a whisper in a 707?? And then it magically turns into an A300/A310 at landing?
Movie logic, I remember seeing a movie (I don't remember the name unfortunately) where the protagonist took off in a regional Embraer and landed on a 747, couldn't stop laughing
@@NeighborSenpai they did that in Home Alone 2 as well.
@@retroflashbackdude my wife gets annoyed by me calling this out every year we watch it.
Yeah, I noticed that, I feel that for every movie on aviation that Hollywood uses, they should hire a former pilots to describe how the things work so it can be realistic.
@@someonee3186 Hollywood tried to hire a former pilot but they accidentally hired Frank Abagnale instead.
Those mirrors are in the md80 cockpit and it lets you see your compass heading.
Yep, exactly that.
@@apocaliptyia Can't say I've ever flown an MD80, but I can imagine :).
Altough this plane can't be an MD80 (too early), that would be my guess as well. The magnetic compass is mostly located in the center, but on some planes they just forgot to implement them on the glareshield, or maybe they suffered some sort of interference on there, so they place them behind the pilot's seats and mirror them. Pretty interesting workaround.
Edit: As someone commented, the issue is the third center window. There is just no place to position the compass centered and high above other instruments, to avoid interference.
Yup that's right.
...and here I thought they were for your cellphone! 😉
My aunt, now 75, was a very, very beautiful flight attendant back in the day. She flew for about 20 years to every corner of the globe with a national airline. Very prestigious line of work in those days.
I remember her!
And?
@Ben Dover hey Ben I live in Dover do you want to come visit the cliffs? Very butiful
@Ben Dover oh sorry I could not see because of all the pussy in my face your right
@Ben Dover ha ha
If I remember corectly, the Pan Am uniform came standard with two stripes. They added the third or fourth stripe during fitment.
Absolutely CORRECT! Same at my airline!
@Star Trek Theory That is what I mean - standard uniform had (at least) 2 stripes. During fitment they added up to 2 more stripes (based on the crew member rank). :)
@Star Trek Theory Hehe, not only FedEx. Depends more on the plane they are flying than on the carier. Most planes built after, say, 1985 does not need flight engineer on the flight deck.
@Star Trek Theory I bet there still are some 74's, MD-8's, Tuplovev's and other planes (mostly with more than 2 engines) out there in service somewhere that still need FE to be present on the flight deck. :-)
"We will be flying at 6000 mph at an altitude of 300 feet"
Superman has entered the cockpit
I am 78 and I remember the sixties quite well. Many young women aspired to be stewardesses and when people knew you were going on a trip and flying they were envious and you were excited. Now I dread flying. I hate going through security and the cramped seats are very uncomfortable.
Hard to believe, but in the early days people actually dressed up for a flight. Now the person next to you takes their shoes and socks off and stinks up the plane
@@ednafronkelbarger8601 Don't know what's worse, him stinking up the plane or most passengers smoking.
@@ednafronkelbarger8601 may i ask what's hard to believe here?
@@tridinh1011 Sure, go ahead and ask
Today Stewardesses look like linebackers, seats seem smaller and attitudes of passengers and flight crews have become hostile and argumentative. Pass the Xanax.
I'm suddenly in the mood to watch "Catch Me If You Can"
Read the book. It's an easy short read and far more engaging.
Just mute the Frank Sinatra part. Apparently, you're not allowed to listen to it.
Frank admitted the toilet was pure holywood and he escaped another way.
100% correct, he said that he escaped through the Galley area.
@@doonsbury9656 The actual aircraft that he escaped from was a VC10. At the fwd Galley floor there is a hatch that would take you into the radio equipment bay. In the floor of the radio equipment bay there is a small square hatch (Used I believe for doing compass swings). This hatch is big enough for some one to exit the fuselage with a very small drop to the floor. Once the aircraft was depressurized.
@@gould571 which book has info this detailed?
@@verveblack Hi No book. Doonsbury above stated that Frank escaped via the Galley. Franks Wiki Biography stated that he escaped from a VC10 aircraft. I spent 11 years as a VC10 aircraft engineer when I was in the Royal Air Force. The only way to exit a VC10 from inside the aircraft without using any form of ground equipment is the route that I described. No tools are needed. I have accessed and exited a VC10 through this hatch in the radio rack bay. The other doors other than normal Passenger and over wing escape hatches are the freight doors. It is impossible to open the freight doors from the inside. Therefore, given that the aircraft he escaped from was a VC10 then the only way is through the hatch in the floor of the galley into the radio rack bay. Then through the hatch at the bottom of the fuselage which is only about a meter or so above the ground. He could have dropped to the the ground easily without fear of being run over by the undercarriage.
appreciate the info
Hey Kelsey, back in the day when domestic airlines had professional flight engineers, or PFEs, they had two stripes. At AAL, the PFEs went away with the retirement of the DC-10. New hires who were going to be pilots got three stripes right away, even though they started out working as a flight engineer on the B-707 or B-727. But I seem to remember that at some airlines new hires got two stripes while they were "on the panel". When they went to the right seat they got the third stripe. I believe this was the case at Braniff, and maybe United. So perhaps also at Pan Am?
Enjoy your videos very much, keep up the good work.
Bob Hartmaier, Captain, American Airlines, retired
Yup. My dad had 3 at FO, and 4 at captain. He originally started at TWA but was furloughed early on. Then was picked up by Pan Am. He always worked his ass off and went far.
Love the texting during the copyrighted music, made me laugh.
That flight attendant uniform was also spot on accurate according to my stepmom who worked for PanAm back in the day. That was the summer uniform.
Omg! What a great outfit, especially the striped scarf and hat, and can we talk about the color!
"We will be flying at 6,00 mph at an altitude of 300 feet"
That sounds like a F-15 flying over my house at night while I'm sleeping
My mother-in-law is a frequent "jump-seater" in my car.
Does it eject?
@@GUITARTIME2024 wish it could hahahaha!
"we'll be flying 6,000 mph and 300 ft" i can just imagine a 747 flying across buildings at 300ft ripping houses apart as it accelerates to 6000mph xD
911
@@stephani1767 it was a joke put in for comedic affect
@@mostafawalid6559 Oh dude.
Of course you will note that it was one of the girls who was trying to get one of the 8 spots as a cabin crew during the fake recruiting interview . I think it was to demonstrate how naive the girls where
At 10:15 those two mirrors were to look at the magnetic compass… engineers when designing had no place in front to put the compasses so they put it above and behind… so the mirrors were there to view them… and used to occasionally adjust the directional gyros due of drift errors.
The airline I’m working for has the FO with 1 stripe up until 800hours, then it’s 2stripes until 3 years of employment or 2000hours. At that stage we receive the third stripe. Great vid, love your content.
"Dead head" is used in the railroading/trucking/rental car industry as well. It can also be a fan of The Grateful Dead.
Dead-Heading SD70ACu.
Fan is one word to describe people who like The Grateful Dead.
The funny thing is you would have expected hollywood to exaggerate his life, but his life was crazier than the movie, and he truly did pass the bar exam! (Besides the wedding thats all hollywood)
Well, he said it all happened. There's a high likelihood he made most of it up, based on what researchers have found.
@@doctorwhouse3881 A journalist actually found out last year that he was sitting in prison (for forging a few PanAm checks totalling less than $1500) during the time when most of his claimed exploits allegedly happened. So "high likelihood" is probably an understatement.
@@blahfasel2000 Indeed. While Frank *did* legitimately run cons, he was not very successful and his biggest con has been conning people about his past cons in order to build a career as an "expert consultant" about cons.
@@DesiArcy Nowadays, we call that 'meta-conning'. Using cons to con people into thinking you're a good CONsultant for cons.
No, he did not pass the bar exam. Almost all of his stories are completely fake. Makes a good fictional movie, though.
As a mechanic, I am still needing to explain to people that a person can not escape through the lavatory, into the wheel wheel, down the gear, and out over the ramp. :)
Wait Whaaaa.. it.itis not Real ?
@@ronald6138 Well, there is a way to escape out of the cabin to the ramp. A couple of TWA mechanics got stuck on a B747 on pushback and was taxing to the runway. They were working a maintenance problem when the pushback was started. They ran up to the cockpit. The Captain told them they had two choices. Either fly with the plane to JFK or get out of the airplane On the taxiway. There is a floor door that can be lifted up to gain access to the electronic area. Then there is a floor door that can opened and a mechanic can climb out onto the nose landing gear and step down to the ground. Not for the faint of heart. Once I cut the end of my finger off doing this.
That part of the movie is true, though. The real Abagnaty escaped the plane through the bathroom somehow, just not exactly like that. You can find him telling this as a minor difference between movie and reality somewhere.
@@oldmech619 the real guy escaped from the kitchen during unloading. Movie wanted something more dramatic
@@ayajade6683 Thanks. Back then, security at airports was a lot looser.
When you said hollywood vs reality, paused, and showed the girl saying flying 6,000 mph and 300 ft was hilarious!
'And that's just the cab ride to the airport' . . . . . . . . . been there : )
I too had to stop and say....NO
That was a joke in the movie you must have not seen it.
Exactly, that was pretty funny
I choked. And they survived that speed!
I remember as a kid thinking how glamorous it looked when I saw flight crews in airports. In fact I still do when I'm in airports in Asia, and see crew from Singapore, Cathay Pacific, or Thai Airways walking in an almost choreographed formation to the gates.
My Dad was a million mile club member on either Pan Am or TWA (maybe both, he flew a lot). To give you an idea of the 50's and 60's? one of the gifts he got from the airline was a hard shell rifle case.
I was actually waiting on DiCaprio towards the end of the clip to have seven stripes on his jacket I mean every time you looked at him, his position seemed to keep changing. He was a super super pilot. 🤣
I love this channel. I am sick with a serious illness but I watch your channel all the time to keep my spirits up. Hopefully one day I can travel around the world. Thank you!
Hope you get well soon!
My heart goes out to you. I just spent 996 days in the hospital. I feel 4 you. It just sucks. What gets me is how people know someone with similar symptoms and they expect you to get better the same way someone else did. Another thing is how people all of a sudden become a doctor and tell you what you have to do to heal. Maybe this has only happened to me. I now live in Japan but when I lived in the U.S I did not have good experiences with my doctors and it was impossible to get proper pain relief. Now I have great doctors and if need be I can up my pain meds but the ultimate goal is to decrease my meds. I am not an uncooperative patient if I do not agree with my doctors. We discuss a treatment that I can feel comfortable with.
I really hope you either get better and/or have less bad days. It sucks. I know.
My new and 1st kitty comes up to me in the morning before my meds have started working and climbs on my tummy then purrs and gives me kisses. I hope you have a lil buddy that will raise your dopamine. May you have a calm night with good sleep.
Best wishes.
with those little mirrors and the way they are angled, i'd imagine they are so the pilot can see if someone comes through the cockpit door or if the door is left open, see through the asile
No, it's been explained before, scroll up.
@@Romy--- That may be the truth, but the way they're aimed in the movie, they'll looking back down the isle. (even in the 70s that door was supposed to be closed in flight.)
9:46 I know only one plane with this kind of mirrors, the MD-80. They had no room left for the analog compass, so they stuck it behind the heads of the crew and installed a mirror, flipped the text on it twice - one time horizontal to replace north and south and one time to get the text the mirrored.
Quite an interesting solution, but it cleaned up the cockpit significantly.
FINALLY, I can't believe I had to scroll down this far to find the answer. Thank you. Reminds me of how I've stood helm watch on 7 cargo ships of only 3 different classes, and every single one of them had a unique combination of compass repeaters, helm indicators, and helm controls.
@@Vinemaple yeah, ship compasses are even more complicated than airplane ones actually, as there's much more vibration and shocks expected on a voyage between service opportunities.
I would love to take some 60s/70s gear apart :)
@@RubenKelevra ofc on a large vessel you can put a compass repeater anywhere you want, space isn't exactly at that kind of a premium, although, layout is just as important from a safety perspective, and you want the actual compass well away from all the modern bridge electronics.
One ship had a built-in repeater in front of the helm station, a digital repeater on the brand-new retrofitted autopilot, a huge digital repeater above the bridge windows to the right, and a fourth one that I can't remember, possibly something built into the helm station itself. My first helm watch I was silently like, "Why???" And of course the one tiny rudder angle indicator wasn't accurate.
You should interview him
I asked and they said he wasn’t interested 🤷🏼♂️
@@74gear would've been a good interview but i understand the old mans side
@@74gear rip
He doesn't like talking about the movie
Fun fact: while being deported to the United States, Frank actually did escape from a British VC-10 airliner as it was turning onto a taxiway at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, and thus that was actually reality.
Frank Abagnale Jnr is a fraudster through and through. His story has been exposed as largely a pack of lies, and even those elements that are true have been embellished to ludicrous levels. He has been challenged by experts on the plane escape, as it was humanly impossible to exit that way. It is notable that he then substantially changed his account on the means of his escape, but it still doesn't add up.
I enjoy the movie, I find it interesting and entertaining, but it's basically just a work of fiction.
Not through the shitter, he didn’t.
I flew the VC10 and from what I recall your fact is false.
4:20 That TWA terminal building is a masterpiece from Finland.
In some aircraft like MD82 these mirrors for watching the compass that installed back of pilot.
total bullshit. they're blindspot mirrors to see the wing span. just in case a car needs to pass, or if your baby is falling off the carseat. LMAO. only kidding.
You watch Kent’s channel too?
@@exnoc76 😂
@@exnoc76 A MD82 Capt said the same thing.
@@Rudyworld omg...
In 36 years of aircraft maintenance, I’ve never come across any plane that has access from inside the lav to the area underneath it without first removing the entire lav and the floorboard it sits on. Then you would have access to the lower baggage compartment instead of the wheel wells.
Yet, in the book, he claims to have done this?
@@alrobertson1432 Never read the book. Would love to know the aircraft type that he claimed to have done this on.
@@steveo8991 The aircraft was, according to what I found, a Boeing 707-331B. I read the book a long time ago, but I recall that in it, he does escape from the Lav, but a different way such as the sink. Other posts here indicate that there is a hatch in the gally nearby. I claim no expertise whatsoever with aircraft. After a little research it seems the galley is correct. The book and movie changed that.
Yeah, even if he got into the baggage compartment, the airplane is a pressure vessel so there's no way into the wheel well.
Those mirrors on the dash are to assist the pilot in saying "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me!"
Almost as helpful a mantra as "I can fly, I am not afraid."
Those preflight affirmations are important.
19:20 Those mirrors are for looking into the compass which was located behind the pilots
“Deadhead” must come from the military or government. As in the USPS, a “deadhead”, means your moving from one location to another without doing any work corresponding to your duty. Fir example. If you’re delivering mail across from a cemetery, and you need to do a 180 after reaching the end of the one sided residential area, you’re “deadheading” as you walk/drive back with cemetery on your right. Once you make your first delivery, the deadhead is over.
For bus drivers “deadheading” is again when we’re moving but not really working. The time from the yard to the first stop to pick up passengers and the time from the last drop off til getting back to the yard is all considered deadhead work. So when you see a city bus driving and it’s sign reads “garage” or “inactive” or whatever, they’re deadheading.
And in a theater a deadhead is someone let in for free on nights when the place would otherwise feel empty and spoil the atmosphere.
those mirrors at 10:18 are mirrors for the compass because it's located somewhere in the middle behind the seats it's located in the back, it's funny like if the enginners have forgoten about it haha, but that's how it works. and great video Captain loved it, Keep em coming!
MD80 wasn't a thing until 1979 though.
yes, you're right, the plane used here was a Convair 880, but it uses the same principle of the MD80, In most aircrafts as we know, the standby magnetic compass is mounted well above the main instrument panel, in order to reduce interference. In the three piece window (without a central window post, like the CV880, and also DC-9, MD-80/90 right upto Boeing 717) this is not possible, resulting in the different location for compass.
that's why mirrors were used, the placement was different but the same principle.
@@redwan_lmati Thanks for that explanation! That makes a lot of sense!
you welcome @@the_listamin
Beat me to it!
I am so amazed at how he can sit so perfectly still. I am not even sure if it is a picture or a video of him at times.
I enjoyed this commentary very much exposing Hollywood Vs. Realty. On that note, as someone that's read the book, I must say this movie might hold the world record for taking artistic liberties with the way that Frank Abagnale described events Vs. what was shown in the film. As cool as the movie was, I found the book infinitely more fascinating. What he actually did in real life shouldn't need anyone spicing it up, it stands on its own as a monument to the notion that truth is stranger than fiction.
It's a fun movie, but both it and the book it's based on are fiction.
Kelsey .... I really appreciate the time you put into this .... I’m a certified arborist and I work for a utility co. As a vegetation management supervisor... And I fly for my jobs at times .... it’s so interesting how much goes into certain jobs and with this industry I alway felt it was secretive or something... you shed a lot of light on the subject of flying and it’s great to have these answers that I have been wondering for years ... I actually stumbled upon you by watching episodes of mayday .... but I’m glad I did .... good job bud ..
I remember when I was younger I always asked the flight attendands if I could sit in the jumpseat during takeoff and landing because it's exciting. And the pilots were usually cool with that, they were often excited too and they sometimes even had the time to explain what they were doing and what the buttons do that they were pressing. They don't do that anymore of course since 2001, but as a kid that was incredibly inspiring and made me want to become a pilot too. That's what I think of when I hear the word "jumpseat".
Leonardo: Frank Abagnale in the movie
Frank Abagnale: has a cameo appearance as a police officer
Leonardo:
Frank Abagnale pulls off being a producer with all the perks for this movie.
The real producers: "Dammit, Frank will stop doing that!
"6000 miles per hour at an altitude of 300 feet"
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh
Yeah, i cringed pretty hard at that. Nearly mach 8. 🤣🤣
Rip everyone's windows and eardrums
ICAO air safety rules:
#1: Make sure Tom Hanks is not on board.
#2: Make sure Denzel Washington is not on board.
#3: Make sure Harrison Ford is not on board.
#4: Make sure Leonardo DiCaprio is not on board.
About those mirrors, I only know of them being in the MD-80s so I’m going to tell the MD-80s story (it may be used in other aircraft but I know this one) When McDonnell Douglas was building the MD-80s they didn’t realize until they had finished the design that they forgot to put a in compass. (According to what I was told) There wasn’t any room left to put a compass so they cut out a little slot above the F/Os head and put the compass in there they also put 2 mirrors on top of the console (that’s what I call it) since there mirrors they had to put the compass in backwards so if you looked at it (not through the mirror) it’s backwards. Those mirrors are supposed to be angled to face the compass that way both pilots can see it at a quick glance.
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They were on the DC-9 and the DC-8, too. The magnetic compass was located in the cockpit ceiling over the captain's head, with a large concave mirror to magnify the wet compass so it could be seen by the pilots in the little pop up mirrors. If they didn't need to use the wet compass, they laid the little mirrors flat on the glare glare shield and had more windshield to look through.
Those little things were mirrors that were aligned with the wet compass which was placed in the ceiling of the DC-8 and 9 in order to give more visibility through the windshield rather than having the compass hanging down in the way. There was a concave mirror behind the compass that magnified the cared enough to be seen from the crew seats.
I don't think they forgot the standby compass rather that if positioned below the glare shield, the pitot tube heat would affect the compass as they are located just below the windshield at least that was what we were taught by MacDonald Douglas on the MD 80 series.
@@flightcamm Maybe. But I seriously doubt they FORGOT the compass! That's almost like saying they forgot to put on the wings!
Apocryphal
Do a review on the movie “Airplane”
I feel like a list of things they got right would be shorter than a list of things they got wrong.
That would be great content!!
I think the line of people ready to slap the hysterical lady would probably be pretty accurate...
Interesting side note is that the movie Airplane is actually a spoof of a drama movie called Zero Hour made in the 50s.
“It’s an entirely different kind of flying, altogether.”
19:01 So you've done Sully, Cast Away and Catch Me If You Can, right? I think Terminal is next in lline:'D
John Luu yeah then airport (70-79)
Nevermind that. Let's see him do Apollo 13. lol
I want him to do Soul Plane lol
Stephan I calm down, he's just a president doing his job
@@stephani1767 Sully is also a veteran, who didn't get bonespurs.
From IMDB, "Come Fly with Me" is a 1957 popular song composed by Jimmy Van Heusen, with lyrics by Sammy Cahn. "Come Fly with Me" was written for Frank Sinatra.
I love that Kelsey mentions the captain stripes and young pilot captains and never once even mentions himself. Give yourself a pat on the back, man! Congratulations!
I love your videos! My dream growing up was to be a pilot. Somehow that turned into being a pharmacist but that's another story :) I'd love to see you critique the one small scene in Close Encounters of the Third Kind when ATC is dealing with a few pilots who are seeing "strange things in the sky." I believe it was Indianapolis ATC in the movie and from what I read online they used actual ATC personnel in the scene. It's one of my favorite scenes. Also Pushing Tin would be a great movie to critique. Lastly, in regards to Close Encounters I'm curious to know if you've ever come across strange sightings in the sky (UFOs) Thanks for the great work with these videos. Keep on hitting that wild blue yonder and safe travels.
The most amazing experience of my life was flying with my horse on a 747 Cargolux from Seattle to LUX in 2008. There were 2 pilots, me, and down the stairs, all the cargo. I could go wherever I wanted anytime, and I had an enormous seat. I got hungry and went forward to ask the pilots about food. One of them was sleeping, and the other was reading (!!!). He came back and showed me how to operate the oven and I could eat whatever I wanted. I realized at one point that if I ever wanted to ride up front, now was the time to ask. They agreed, strapped me into a chair between/behind theirs, and for the first time in my life I saw thru the front window. Seeing the ground rushing toward me was thrilling (I thought I might wet myself). I also learned that flying seemed to only involve 2 buttons (dials?). One for altitude and one for heading, I assume. That's all they were using until landing, when they put their hands on the controls. It was amazing (and I still have my yellow LUX AIR VISITOR vest).
How did you even get there? Did you work for the company?
Autopilot dials :P. And today some of the more modern airplanes can land on Autopilot as well.
Exciting, isn't it? - when I was a flight attendant for a U.S. Carrier in the '90's, my airline owned a fleet of 747's, and during the course of my 12 year career I was permitted to sit in the Flight Deck for take off and landing probably a couple hundred times, and it NEVER got boring!
I assumed the mirrors were so the guys in the seats could see who was behind them without turning away from aviating. I was only ever General Aviation, but that just made sense to me.
When I saw the movie the first time, I caught the reference to runway 44 -- only one in the theater that laughed at that point. People were looking at me like I was nuts.
Hey, pilots and crews deserve kudos. You guys defy gravity every day!
In those days, two stripes were often worn by the flight engineer*.
In DC-8s and much of the DC-9 family (probably all) had the Mag Compass mounted behind the crew. The mounting required mirrors to see the compass. The reason they were moved from the instrument panel is an excess electrical/magnetic interference. One rumor is the windshield in a large part of the interference.
*Professional FEs: CA who were too old to be PIC so they moved back to sit side saddle until retirement continued to wear four stripes.
Hi Kelsey! I just wanted to say that I love your channel, keep it up!
@Jason Bouphasavanh His videos aren't one-shot if you get what I mean, he records in different sequences. I hope that answers your question.
Just watched: "Catch Me If You Can: The Real Story with Frank Abagnale" on RUclips. Pretty inspirational guy.
9:05 no kidding, that jumpseat looks very uncomfortable!
it is.
2 plastic connected by a hinge and that's it.
Those 2 mirrors are for the compass which is located on the back wall on some McDonnell Douglas aircraft.
To my knowledge, those aren't supposed to be mirrors on the dash, but a kind of fresnel lense that allows a pilot to see further down along the nose of the craft from their seat. Helpful for precise parking. They work the same as the rear-view lenses on the back window of a motorhome, allowing you to see around an edge.
That was a DC8 and there are two mirrors as pictured.
Watch Foreign carrier flights crews walk through an airport. They all walk together and they are very glamorous, like KAL or JAL
Korean Air is the best! Amazing staff & service. But yeah, they know how to walk through an airport. They make it look good. 😎
I can only imagine a Boeing 747 flying almost 10 times the speed of sound right on my head
So, one of my pilots called headquarters for some assistance. I clicked on his picture and said" Do you make you tube videos? I watch you all the time!"
I've always loved watching flight crews walk through the airport- especially the ones from overseas where the women wear national costume e.g. Garuda, Emirates, Singapore etc. They look more striking than ever, because in contrast, air passengers today wear flipflops, yoga tights and tracksuits to board, looking like they are about to watch TV in bed, not cross a continent. Male flight crew are often the only men in the terminal you can see wearing a suit and tie. Flight crew dress like royalty, and long may they do so. Speaking of royalty: King Willem-Alexander of The Netherlands is a practicing commercial airline pilot who flies regularly, but always incognito - the passengers never know it's him.
fun fact: as a kid my mom was next-door neighbors with frank abagnale!
Hi, Kelsey. I enjoy your channel immensely. I am retired, so I am free to watch it frequently, and streaming it (mirroring to a TV) lets me relax with a much bigger screen. Keep up the great work!😊
Mirrors are for magnetic compass located behind.
The airport used for the film was Ontario International Airport in Southern California.
In regards to Frank tricking so many pilots. His explanation was that anytime he dealt with other pilots he made sure that whatever airline they were on he was not. Whatever equipment they used, he did not. Whatever the situation was that they were in, he was in something else. He also talked about the many situations where he looked like a fool because of the things he said to other pilots and then would learn never to do it again. I think one time he said they asked him what kind of equipment he flew and he thought they meant the engines. So he told them "GE" to which the pilots replied "Are you flying a dishwasher?" And so on.
Frank also said he didn't climb through a toilet. I think it was some part of the kitchen or something like that.
Some thoughts and info:
- Frank is shown with two stripes when he is first being fitted for his first PanAm uniform. Presumably, it is easier to add stripes than remove them, and that would be the usual progression. Since he is just being fitted, I assume they pulled a jacket of approximately the correct size off the rack, and will be adjusting its fit as part of the tailoring. My guess is that the 'rack' jackets start with two stripes already on them, and then are adjusted by the tailor according to the requirements. So perhaps this scene is reasonably accurate, or plausible, and not necessarily just "Hollywood".
- Frank is shown with gradual self-promotions as he learns the ropes, lingo, and gets a feel for what he can get away with. "Hollywood", this being a typically well-produced Spielberg film, was probably being pretty canny in regard to those jacket stripes. I have read Frank's book, but can't recall if he addresses this in those pages.
- Regarding the 'deadhead', note that Frank just walks up to the ticket counter, and the agent asks HIM if he is the expected deadhead. He did not come up with it, and clearly did not know what that meant. But the way he often played things, observing and improvising with his quick wit, he went with the lead she suggested, and used improvisation and some bullshitting and his 'charm' to fake the rest. A friend of mine, many years retired now, was a long-time captain for United, and he enjoyed discussing lots of behind the scenes details of his workday, and the airline business and his aircraft with his friends. I asked him about this scene, and the subsequent first visit to the cockpit. My friend told me that it rang pretty true, especially given when it was taking place. This may be different now, or different between various companies, but he said that in his experience it was common to have deadheading pilots ride in the cockpit in the jump seat, rather than in coach, and it was not uncommon for the major airlines to allow pilots of competing airlines to deadhead with them, even in the cockpit, as a courtesy. In this scene, Frank identifies himself as being from PanAm, which suggests maybe the airline he is deadheading on is another carrier, or perhaps that it is also PanAm but he does not yet know the lingo and just guesses that that is how pilots greet each other.
- I don't know if the 707 was that way, but I know on some other jet aircraft, mirrors were provided to allow the cockpit crew to see back to the wings and engines. I also know that on some kinds of aircraft, mirrors on the top of the instrument panel were used to allow the the pilots of see instruments that were actually located behind them, and often the writing on those instruments was reversed to look correct when viewed in the mirror. The way the two mirrors in this scene are located and angled, my guess is that they were for viewing the leading edge of the wings.
Interesting, thanks for all the info. Another commenter said the mirrors were low-tech compass repeaters.
When he said Runway 44 i cringed so hard lmao
Yeah, but when the winds are coming from 440, it's really the ideal runway! 🤣
@@deeanna8448 or they could save some time and just land on 08 😭😂
I wonder if it was something he said to throw carl off. so many things were just slightly off, like he had to lie to him even in casual conversation.
Well that's the point, he's still just the pretender and doesn't know shit
he actually learned quite a bit about his current "job" and that's why he was able to stay ahead of the law for so long.
Thank you for watching scenes with us, then reacting. It really helps contextualize and adds to the educational value.
day 19 of quarantine and i'm addicted to these videos
On the DC 9, MD88, 90, and the B717 the small little mirrors are used to look at the standby compass, which is located behind the copilots right shoulder.
I saw Frank Abagnale give a keynote talk at a trade show in Atlanta, maybe 2016, about his life and the movie. It was THE BEST, most entertaining talk/speech I have ever heard. The auditorium was PACKED. After he began it was deathly quiet. He would have you laughing so hard and ten seconds later a lump in your throat and tears in your eyes. NO one got up to leave or even moved. As part of his release from prison, he agreed to work with Federal agencies to help track down bad guys. In all of that time he had never cashed a single paycheck from the fed, but is still very wealthy legitimately.
Back to my early ways!!! Wait a minute, how did he go from two stripes to three? No way was I climbing down a toilet even if it was connected to the wheel well. Great video!!! Enjoyed it a lot.
Genevieve Campbell uniform comes standard with two stripes and stripes are added
I found it a funny connection between two movies that Leo was showing Tom Hanks LaGuardia... a few years later Tom Hanks is departing LaGuardia and landing in the Hudson.
I'm from Latin America, and I've never-and never met someone who-thought that airline crews were cool. Maybe people in Brazil still do that, but honestly, I have never seen someone looking at crew members and saying, "man, I wish I was them". I only look at them and think, "yes, finally". Because it means it's time to go.
Me: *in the jumpseat* Hey, can I--
Pilot: FOR THE LAST TIME, NO!! THIS IS THE 13TH TIME YOU'VE ASKED!
"But I really have to pee"
With BA there were a couple of “jump seats” those seats are typically on the bulkhead and face rearward. Only crew or staff could take a jump seat. You could get a jump seat on ID90 if you were lucky.
I did an ID90 to Rio, got upgraded to business😀
We had a couple of guys that got a relocation flight on Concord, LHR-NYC.
This was one of your best episodes, so much so that I am re-watching this in September 2021. Absolutely brilliant! Thank you Kelsey!
17:02 people weren't more honest, they were more trusting.
9:05 no kidding, that jumpseat looks very uncomfortable!
it was the early days, the industry wasn't as mature, they didn't have all the regulations and standards we have today.
like i don't think they even had long security checks or even scanned your baggage back then.
What makes you think they weren't more honest too, Ben?
The whole world was not completely full of horrible, selfish liars. We had our 2%, but nothing like the 80% of today.
@@livethefuture2492 Nope, and the gate area wasn't even restricted. Your friends or relatives could meet you coming off the jetway. Flying as a pax was a lot more fun back then AIR recall. But I do think the bags got X-rayed, particularly after DB Cooper and the PLO became household names.
Great stuff! Would love to see one of these on "The High and the Mighty" It's a pretty old film now, but I think it's still great, and has some...…. interesting CRM.
Just for anyone unfamiliar, the compass headings coincide with the degrees on a circle, so runway 44 would be 440° which is impossible
Really interesting, thanks!! As a fan of the spoof "Airplane," I've always had the urge to run up to flight crew exclaiming " What's your vector, Victor?!" I know...clearly I need to get out more 😉 Looking forward to seeing your "Sully" and "Castaway" vids! Greetings from 🇨🇦
*gives introduction to movie* "So this is a movie that needs no introduction" xD
The difference between the 70's and today is in the 70s Flight Attendants were younger & weighed a heck of a lot less. The day of Pacific Southwest Airlines flying Aircraft with smiley faces & hot Flight Attendants are long and gone. Today's Flight Attendant is either a grandma or a little lite in the loafer. Bless their hearts.
Jump seats are also what the cabin crew sit on during the flight.
Good timing I literally just watched this a couple days ago with my nephew
When she said "6000 mph at 300 ft" i was thinking "Wow, flying a SR-71 with afterburners on full blast at 100m, that sounds like fun." Except you'd leave a trail of destruction and ruptured eardrums behind