Pft, here's 10 reasons for loss of communication just off the top of my head: 1. the plot demands loss of communication 2. flying through a tunnel 3. plane asks the pilot for a commitment after he gets caught checking out the curves on the 787 4. red pilot flies over blue state (politics sucks) 5. blue pilot flies over a red state (politics still suck) 6. Apple made the communication system and removed all headphone jacks 7. Sabaton is onboard and everyone's too busy headbanging 8. an electrician installed wires of a cannon plug backwards 9. a gender reveal party went really wrong 10. eye contact was made during a devil's triangle
Kelsey: "Planes do not make cash register noise, I'm not sure why Hollywood wants them to make those noise" Programmers, software developers, sysadmins, and more: First time?
Possible reasons for loss of communication: 1. Both pilots die 2. Both pilots hit their head and forget how to operate the radio 3. Pilot accidentally drops his hammer on the radio 4. The plane explodes 5. The radio was installed incorrectly 6. Both pilots have a grudge against ATC 7. Plane gets hijacked 8. ATC gets hijacked 9. Pilots accidentally fly into a Faraday cage 10. Plane flies into tornado and enters Oz
Yes, you got 10, BUT, every one of those are Hollywood centric scenarios 😂 I love the one about ATC getting hijacked. But pilots with a grudge against ATC?.... no comment
11. Air Canada aircraft need to land, and during the “go around” instructions from the ATC, the radio mysteriously stop functioning and have a “malfunction”. Once the aircraft has landed the radio starts working again.
Kelsey, it’s not even really a girls name. I know 3 Lindseys and 2 Ashleys all dudes, plus there’s a Kelsey Grammar. My friend who’s parents were refugees from Vietnam after the war (which we did win but cos of bloody politics and Jane Fonda, millions had to flee in literal row boats with the clothe on their backs, and they still managed to not break international law for refugee status ….okay rant over), so my friend’s parents made to Toronto safely and gave birth to him shortly afterwards, however without knowing English they left the “name part” blank….he almost didn’t have a name….until some nurse just wrote down “John” lol, thank god it wasn’t anything stupid like ABCDE or North West (should’ve been South West, imo). Oh great videos, one question….Boeing or Airbus? Yeah the 737MAX MCAS was unacceptable, but I don’t trust anything built by the French, especially when the government owns part of the company, if that’s not a conflict of interest then I don’t I know what is.
i can't claim to be a qualified pilot, but even i could have prevented several mistakes i noticed in some aviation movies. for example, in flightplan there is a car on an aircraft palled (probably a PGE) with a strap over the roof of the car. that is exactly how it is NOT done because it would definitely damage the car. IRL only the wheels are tied down to the pallet with several straps each. also, in the same movie, there's a scene where jodie foster goes down into the cargo hold and scrambles over some AKEs on her hands and knees. IRL she would have to be the size of a mouse to do that.
10 reasons for loss of communication: 1: On the wrong frequency 2: Kelsey got distracted by the hot flight attendant 3: Pilots still bitter about ATC being a jerk 4: Pilots forgot their call sign 5: Pilots were playing chess 6: Alien abduction 7: Pilots were on acid and were paranoid 8: Pilots were listening to Aerials by System of a Down 9: Pilot got sleepy and is taking a nap 10: The radio just didn’t work
I watched this episode a couple days ago while on a Criminal Minds binge and thought "I hope Kelsey sees this and does a video on it." Dreams really do come true!
@@ronpaulssecretary Because as someone who studies psychology I find it interesting to see how they utilize the subject to come to their conclusions. Why do you give rats ass why people like what they like anyways?
RUclips pushes it's BS about how everyone should make shorter videos more often, but I'm outright ecstatic when I see one of my favorite creators coming out with a 25 minute or longer video. RUclips just wants viewers to get back to that suggestions page as often as possible. Kelsey, you're exactly what youtube needs.
It’s the same for medical shows. I’d help them with terminology, pronunciation, techniques, etc. for a bag of double stuffed Oreos. I guess film companies just think that the number of people who will recognize the glaring errors aren’t worth doing even the bare minimum research. I think you do a great job and you are adorable in the process.
@@olivier2553 Im not even in the computer science field and the absurdity of Hollywood hackers is clear as day. I get there pushing a narrative but sometimes its just way over the top. My favorite example of this is Anglea from Bones, her job is a forensic artist but she just happens to create extremely advanced 3d algorithms and other insanely complex computer programs in a few hours that would probably take a team of professional programmers forever to do, if it's even possible.
I totally agree with you. Personally, if I was an actor in a medical show I would research some of the terminology that I was unfamiliar with so that I could at least pronounce it correctly.
Okay Kelsey, challenge accepted. My 10 reasons for loss of communications 1: Bird strike on all the aerials, knocking the aerials off (Immediate return / landing) 2: Loose ground lead on radio (Wouldn't take off in the first place) 3: Power spike through electrical system strong enough to melt the power feeds (Kiss your avionics goodbye too) 4: Short in radio (Tin whisker) causing radio to frequency hop on its own (Backup set would most probably still be perfectly functional) 5: Environmental seepage (Bad seals / gaskets on aerials) allowing water intrusion grounding out the aerial leads (Drop in transmission power, would be a cumulative effect and reported in log. Again, flight would probably never depart in the first place) 6: White noise / ground interference (Someone else on a similar frequency broadcasting continuously, essentially stepping on your transmission) 7: Intentional freq change instruction to a non-ATC frequency (ATC impersonator, not likely that a pilot familiar with the route would follow that instruction blindly) 8: Solar EM interference (Folks on the ground would be loosing their minds not being able to watch TV / listen to the regular radio) 9: Radiological interference. (Like a volcano erupting radioactive particulates that somehow manage to blanket the planet, essentially poisoning all VHF / UHF transmissions) 10: EM pulse in high atmosphere / low orbit. (We would have MUCH bigger issues than a single plane crashing...) Yes, about half of those are an extreme reach and require a foil hat to believe. However, Mr. Murphy has done stranger things... I have to deal with that jerk all the time :D
23:29 - Kelsey, that's the sound of someone programming a microwave. Maybe someone in the cockpit was feeling a little peckish and wanted a quick burrito or some microwave popcorn? Can't troubleshoot on an empty stomach.
@@renejean2523 As an American living in the Sea of America... I stand out? I donno. Most of the people I know know the word Peckish. Then again, my maternal grandparents were from England and Ireland, but I don't remember either of them using it. I blame Dangermouse.
@@renejean2523 American and familiar, but I also grew up on a border state and watched a lot of Canada TV, maybe incidental British-ness came through there idk.
@@jenelaina5665 - Okay, thanks. Well maybe it's just Oregonians that have never heard the word 'peckish' then! Canadians are a little closer, culturally. The last letter of the alphabet is 'zed' and they do have Boxing Day! 🙂
Hey Kelsey, I love your videos and respect all the professionalism and pride you have in your job. I’m just like that, except I’m a truck driver. As a truck driver, we can get pretty bad turbulence when following another semi truck as well. That’s often why you see trucks move into the left lane to pass another truck long before he/she’s right up on the trailer bumper of the truck he/she’s getting ready to pass. Just figured I’d pass that info along to you. Many people don’t realize that. Stay safe. “Keep’er shiny side up and greasy side down,” as my people say.
@@74gear I believe you when you claim you never accidentally pressed the oxygen release button, but losing fuel pressure from negative gs? That _definitely_ happened to you.
On the plus side, there weren't papers constantly flying throughout the cabin, so at least TV Hollywood is learning _something._ Also, shout out to the future viewers who get to watch Part 2 right away, instead of waiting like their ancestors had to. :)
@@topiasr628 The single-aisle interior was obviously wrong, but at least seems consistent with the 727 blueprints that appear later. Even then, the video of the wings shows winglets and the blueprints do not.
Its your serious attention to details that was impressive. Everyone is making great and funny jokes about the movie but I hadn't put the two of those details together. You must be a pilot.
10 reasons the radio won't work 1. the air masks deployed at 5000 feet 2. The landing gear failed to retract 3. Flat tire during take off 4. MCAS not working properly 5. Pilot got sick of listening to you 6. Flight attendant is busy serving drinks 7. First officer lost his flashlight 8. Service animal in passenger compartment is attacking other passengers 9. Someone turned the key off and pulled it out of the ignition 10. Pilot is busy making RUclips videos and didn't hear you calling him
Service animal! xD xD xD That was amusing since I have a service dog, and she'd sooner lick you to death than attack a soul. Still funny, though. Not suggesting attacks are joking matters.
Hey Kelsey, thank you for another Hollywood vs. Reality, my favorite series of yours. I'm already looking forward to the second part. In the past I have sent some suggestions for further TV-shows to analyze. Here I tried to find out 10 things why radio communication can be lost: 1. Broken antenna (you can't check that from the cockpit) 2. All radios broken (in which case they would have squawked 7600) 3. Some electronic devices are interfering with the signal 4. Specific weather conditions interfere with the signal 5. All headsets are not plugged in properly 6. Both pilots lost their voices (maybe from very spicy food), I think in this case they would let a flight attendant talk :-) 7. Both pilots are unconscious 8. The push-to-talk buttons are all broken 9. The fuse for the radio equipment has cracked 10. The volume has been turned to 0
Kelsey in a James Bond movie and caught by villains “just give him free food and ask him a bunch of questions” He will answer everything! Lol Absolutely love your videos! You are the best!
Kelsey: I’m offering to give you the nuclear launch codes and you give me bland Taco Bell food?!?!?!? I want Chick filla or inNout if you want the codes, I want quality fast food.
@@danielaramburo7648 Pretty sure a pilot would eat Taco Bell if that was what was offered. Not a pilot myself but I think that is Kelsey's implication XD
Loss of communications... 1) Pilot suddenly forgot English 2) Pilot was struck in throat 3) Someone cut the mike cord 4) Radio quit working 5) Copilot shot Pilot 6) Pilot shot co-pilot, then himself 7) Stewardess announced she was pregnant 8) Alien abduction (should have been #1) 9) I started this before I noticed Svizel Pritula, now I have to continue - so Svizel Pritula (as a passenger) blew up plane. 10) I blew up plane because Svizel messed it up. Yeah, tough to come up with that many ways. Sorry to type so much on your channel, I do love your videos. Congrats to Svizel btw.
@@74gear Sir Kelsey I have couple of questions to ask you about Aviation if don't mind later make a video explaining? How do I speak to you directly sir?
Having worked in (digital) Product Security for Airbus, I was especially curious how wrong they would get the actually hacker part. Seems like I have to wait for part 2.
1-stuck mic 2-wrong freq 3-blown fuse 4-failed radio 5-failed antenna 6-failed radio-antenna Coax 7-headset not plugged in properly 8-Hijacked 9-complete loss of power on the electrical bus powering the comms 10-pilots can’t respond (too busy aviating and navigating) 11-Carrington Event (though everyone would know that-look it up).
As a newly minted CFII, I will be recommending this channel to my students, if for no other reason than entertainment. Thanks for all the great content Kelsey
You missed one "little" detail. The plane went into negative g's, and everything fell *downwards*. The air masks, the luggage, the food cart, everything fell downwards. But the very definition of negative g's is that things will fall *upwards*! Also, positive g's push you into the back of your seat? No, in the context of the story, those positive g's are upwards, and they push you into the seat of your pants, or if you prefer, your ass. The only horizontal g's you will feel are during takeoff and landing. The writers and producers of that show literally don't know the difference between up and down.
@Incog Nito After years of not seeing CSI, I watched one episode in which the murderer killed someone by pouring a bottle of acid into an enormous pool. The victim turned into something like an extra from the Walking Dead in a matter of seconds. So, that was the last episode from CSI I ever bothered to watch.
That's funny! Not knowing the difference between up & down. I'd say, also, left & right..... @ Andres Villarreal, that's also hilarious. A tiny bit of acid in a pool definitely won't zombify a body either. It's been a long time since I watched any CSI -in hospital (which I go to a lot) they had a dedicated channel for these types of shows.
Kelsey, you are just a terrific You Tuber. Imagine a channel featuring a person's face and comments reflecting his experience, education and talent...You are one great person and pilot. I wish you nothing but the best of everything. Many thanks.
My dad was interviewed over the phone once for a story in an American newspaper about his helicopter crash into high tension powerlines in the UK. He barely said his name and yes and no a few times before hanging up, but when we saw the article it was full of made up nonsense and how his life flashed before his eyes (he said the only flash he saw was from the electricity lol).
@@InventorZahran Frankly talking to the average RUclipsr about a movie results in them twisting your words. They hear what they want to hear. Almost all humans see what they expect to see, and hear what they expect to hear.
In the UK early 2000s ish. I witnessed a fire. The news article on it was pure gibberish. It went on about the wind thundering through the "little valley" and funneling the fire... It was on top of a cliff and there was literally no wind that day. Super still and sunny today, quite warm. I'd say 15-16C if memory serves. Moreover thr picture they used of the "ravenous blaze" was taken after the fire had already been put out pretty much
@@co3476 well, for aviation they know at least "plane goes brrrrrr" which is _basically_ correct. For hacking they seem to think that it looks like "hacker goes brrrr" which is already wrong.
@@co3476 true enough. They are telling a story and are counting on suspension of belief to get people past the technical rough spots. They should be less lazy when putting scripts together because in the end, the little things do detract from the story.
15:56 - "We have to remember the transponder was still working. No secret code to indicate a hijacking." I don't think squawking 7500 is a secret. In fact, 74 Gear has done a Hollywood vs. Reality on a movie named from that transponder code, "7500."
@@asystole_ i dont think that movie was hollywood anyway (i think it was shot in germany), but it was a very good movie. The tension and suspense is real in that one, no over the top exaggerating, or artificially heightening suspense through music or dialogue. Its just pure unfiltered brutal reality of the situation, that makes the experience so much more immersive.
It really helps when you casted a real-life airline pilot in the role of the captain. "7500" is up there with "United 93", which also had real-life airline pilots and flight attendants in its cast, when it comes realistic depictions of crew SOP's.
Woo! I submitted this episode to you on Instagram barely over a month ago. Great job! Can't wait for part 2! There you go, folks, give him a suggestion and you may just see him cover it!
This isn't the first Criminal Mind that gets everything wrong IRL. I don't understand how they can seriously keep going with all of its inaccuracies. Love your videos BTW!
I absolutely love how Kelsey keeps fishing for movie / TV consulting work - Put on a free breakfast buffet and they will come. It's like looking for a hotel.
Lost Communication (i'm no pilot): 1. Radio Out 2. ACARS Out 3. Squawk thing 4. Wrong Frequency 5. Busy Signal 6. ATC is your soon-to-be-X and isn't speaking to you 7. Plane is wired wrong, so when first class Loo is flushed, radio is jettisoned. 8. Ripley shot an Alien right over all the wires that lead to the comm-box in the tail (Acid) 9. Airplane went through a temporal wormhole and there are only Dinosaurs, but they're on the wrong frequency 10. Airplane went through a spatial wormhole and is trying to fly in the atmosphere of Saturn (Under Pressure playing on the missing radio) 11. Jet-Pack guy from Los Angeles is visiting relatives and goes splot with the airplane, taking out their rabbit ears comm antennae 12. A flying Drone with special magnets flies up, and distorts all comms while sticking like a limpet. 13. The airplane is flying and accidentally impacts with the Hindenburg, and nobody notices that there are a lot of pieces of wreckage that make no sense. 14. Time Travelers from the future know the plane is going to crash, so they've replaced all the people with facsimile bodies, so nobody can work the radio 15. The airplane might be flying through an unexpected pyroclastic cloud, and unable to penetrate the thick ash with comm systems. 16. Everyone on the plane took their phone out of "Airplane Mode" and discovered it mutes all comms in the plane 17. The airplane passes through an alternate reality portal where English is a forbidden language and the ATC sends out a fighter jet to take them out. 18. The entire airplane is abducted by Aliens. 19. The entire airplane goes sub-sea-level flying and the water causes the comms to short out. 20. The wi-fi on the plane goes out, and the tech guy is on a lunch break, but will fix the entire airline wide comms systems when he's back from lunch.
Thank you, your analysis is spot on. One of the worst researched series I have ever wasted time on, all of their stories have canyons in them. I think the show is directed at the type of audience who watch while playing games on their devices. Love your channel, look forward to every video.
6:28 1. crashing into Mt. Everest 2. crashing into K2 3. crashing into Mt. Kilimanjaro 4. crashing into Matterhorn 5. crashing into Mont Blanc 6. crashing into Denali 7. crashing into Makalu 8. crashing into Manaslu 9. crashing into Fitz Roy 10. crashing into Mount Elbrus
Dude, your body is so well trained and calm it looked like a picture at the start, I legit thought you ran to the pisser and left a still image to fool us, but after at least two minutes you cracked a smirk at the ridiculousness of it all. You are for sure the only pilot I’d trust if we were in a risk of a crash. So if you ever get a call at like 1 in the morning of “Some guy is going down in a 747 and is begging us to fly in Kelsey from some 74 gear because well all die if not” it’s just me. Great video :D
Agreed! at 7:02 loved Kelsey's reaction face to the silly stuff they say (Edit: & again at 11:52). They say it with such genuine looks it cracks me up. Obviously, it's acting but it makes me wonder what they're thinking about their scripts.
Kelsey! This was fantastic! I laughed so much. I love your info and how you break all this Hollywood stuff down! Can’t wait to see Part dos! I’m getting a little worried about those Acars, however😂😂
There's gotta be 50 ways to lose communications: Pull out the jack, Jack Talk into a can, Stan Those slats won't deploy, Roy Just listen to me. Shut off your bus, Gus No need to discuss much, Hold down the talk key, Lee And don't listen to me.
Hahaha. I have worked on some of these TV shows before, doing VFX, and the ideas of some of these writers when it comes to aviation is just out of this world. Gotta love the creativity tho. Lol
How about a review of Airport 75? A mid-air collision between a small plane and Boeing 747 damages the flight deck and blinds the surviving pilot. This leaves a flight attendant (Karen Black) trying to follow instructions from the ground to keep the plane airborne. The movie is also a snapshot of commercial aviation in the mid 70s and the bizarre fashions of the time. It would be great to get a perspective on this even though 1975 avionics were very different from modern technology. I really enjoy 74 Gear's videos!
Thanks Kelsey!! I love your vids & often rewatch just because you always leave me feeling happy and smiling. You're such a great person! Thanks for all your hard work! 👍✌🖖😘
Genuinely, I have never flown before; growing up in a family with three siblings, family trips or travel in itself would be more expensive so we would just plan simple things so we wouldn't have to travel far. I would like to someday, the idea of flying is just so fascinating to me, plus my childlike fantasy of flying like a bird would be somewhat satisfied. Just a long winded way to say thank you for help teaching and informing me about something I hope I'll be able to keep in mind when I'm able to go on a plane. :)
Try to go up in a general aviation (small) aircraft to get that feeling you were talking about. A commercial jet is fun to fly in, but to get the feeling of flying, small planes are great!
I flew as a very young child - maybe 3 years old in the late 70s - so a very long time ago. The only thing I remember is being amazed at seeing the clouds and ocean below me from the window, and I remember getting motion sick after we landed. But that's it, really. Because of my health and other issues, I've never been on a plane since, and I'm genuinely not sure if I would love it, throw up because I'm so prone to motion sickness even as an adult, or be terrified! But here I am, loving and learning. :)
Also a fun way to piss of all the annoying climate whiners: "I flew round trip to Italy from the Netherlands for 9 euros for a pizza". It'll probably shut them up 😜 😂
Great video, 74. Loved how the 72-2 morphed into a 74. The 78 wing is a work of art, can trace its lineage all the way back to the B-29, which was the first aircraft to have the wing designed to flex as load was applied.
Hahah your face when they said to reset everything. 😆 I don’t remember this episode at all, but clearly they should’ve been consulting a pilot like you!
@@74gear: I've hardly even been in an airplane, but I've watched all episodes of Air Crash Investigation and that would be enough to help them improve. :) One possible reason for porpoising is that the plane is set to climb and has climbed too high. That happened on a Learjet that lost pressure so everyone passed out. See? They should hire me! :)
I was on an A319 a couple of years ago, whilst in the hold position waiting for runway clearance, one of the pilots came on the PA to tell us they needed to restart the systems because some of the systems weren't responding correctly and they literally did isolate the busses for a few moments.
You aint kidding, 787 wing is a masterpiece. So beautiful. Hollywood gets a lot wrong. I'm the worst to watch movies with because I'm always picking apart what is inaccurate. These "actors" are horrible. They literally sound like they are reading from a script. lol
TBF tho, I suspect most viewers wouldn't have picked up any of what Kelsey's flagged so far...? 😏 I certainly didn't on first viewing, as a CM fan - after enthusiastically following multiple aviation YT channels I think I'd have a lot more questions now!! But still might not have blinked at things like exactly how they were referencing the ACAS...? Given all that however: definitely agree that wherever possible, show & film creators should try to consult accurate experts whenever they're basing a plot around something technical, as here. Does make me wonder who (if anyone) they used as their tech consultants??
I wish there was a collab video between Kelsey's 74Gear and Lito Sousa's AviõesEMúsicas. These two are so entertaining and knowledgeable about aviation. Great content as always man keep it up, greetings from Brazil!!
Hey Kelsey, fun to see how you pick stuff up that goes right past most of us viewers. I noticed you have 702K followers. Got something special planned for when you hit 747K?
I love how during the supposed negative G force event, every loose item crashes to the floor. Hmm. I believe that’s positive G! (To be fair, whenever a plane descends, you will experience slightly reduced gravity, like in an elevator. Sensitive passengers will find this to be unpleasant and might incorrectly describe it as negative G.)
Only happens on faster descends, you can descend with perfect 1G all the way just fine, hell that guy who barrel-rolled a 707 a few times did it with 1G all the way. Red bull racing aircraft frequently show one of their party tricks of pouring a glass while doing a barrel roll. They go upside down while inside a perfect 1G gravity remains.
@@someguy4915 It is not the descend itself that is problematic, it is the beginning of the descent that feels weird. Also do not confuse 1G with coordinated flight, you can pour liquids into glasses at 2G easily (well, if you are strong enough and used to it), but you must be in coordinated flight (the G-forces point down, as we are used to).
@@NetAndyCz That's what 1G is referring to within the given context... And again, entering a descent doesn't need to induce any change in gravity unless the pilots 'yeet' the nose down in an attempt to become Denzel Washington and fly a passenger plane inverted...
@@someguy4915 Even if the pilot just reduces the power I feel the change of its direction and get butterflies in the stomach. It is a weird sensation and it is hard to avoid, the pilot would need to adjust vertical speed very slowly.
Can’t wait to see the second part of this! I’m not a pilot (wish I was) & feel I’ve learned a lot more about aviation from you. I even calmed down a pax during flight, that he treated me to dinner when we got to Aruba!
10 reasons for lost communication 1- plane crashes 2- pilots dead 3- pilots unconscious 4- wrong frequency 5- broken headsets 6- mechanical failure 5- hijacking 7- terrorist attack on act 8- pilots queuing up to go to the bathroom 9- underground parking lot 10- pilots admiring 787’s curves Bonus: maintenance accidentally buys AA batteries instead of AAA batteries Extra bonus: ATC is playing shitty music so pilots turn communications off
they have technical advisors. They advise on alot of things and most often the conclusion is: "That dont look good on TV/Cinema, lets compromise: we make it look like a plane/boat/spaseshuttle and ignore all the rest u said about realism" Usually the technical advisor then goes like: "As long as i get payed do whatever u want".
I realize that Hollywood produces movies for the masses and most viewers wouldn't know the difference between a 727 and a 747 let alone aircraft systems. It's all drama. But for me, nothing spoils a movie more than blatant screw ups. The most common and irritating one is when someone is driving a car and the shift lever is in park. Most folks wouldn't notice. I have flying experience in both rotary and fixed wing aircraft and most movies are cringe worthy as far as getting it right. Love your videos Kelsey and always good for a laugh. Safe flights.
Lost comms #1 reasons. Guerilla infiltrated the aircraft by swinging from a large branch, timing it perfectly to land on and opening the hatch using his secret monkey magic. He then leaps forward using his incredible mass and strength to break through the cockpit door and using his pinky finger switches off the pilots mic. Happens more often than you think
Having not seen this episode or followed the series, I've got to ask why law enforcement is attempting to conduct an air crash investigation? Great analysis and video though Kelsey.
FBI will investigate a crash if it looks like there has been something criminal done, like a bomb, but not why it went down. That is the job of the accident investigation team.
The story is that the plane crash was a suspected bomb attack, and the BAU (Behavioral Analysis Unit) was called to profile the attacker because it was feared to be the next 9/11. It wasn't, and it ended up being an Unsub who hijacked this plane and forced it to crash, and hijacked the other plane from the ground via passenger tablet connected to the in-plane wifi. They get the guy after a while and safe everyone onboard the next plane.
Some years ago a security researcher managed to access other airplane systems from the entertainment system. That was direct access so much different than doing something from the ground but I wouldn't be too sure that someone motivated couldn't find vulnerabilities in the various systems that receive data from the ground and/or satellite
I remember that too. I think that it would entirely depend on what components or systems could be accessed remotely and while at 30 thousand feet. That makes it much, much harder, because pretty much everything is an isolated system inside the plane, and the distances and speed make it incredibly hard to get or keep access. There are times where even GPS cuts out for short periods of time, potentially, simply because there aren't enough GPS satellites in the right place during the flights, apparently. So until or unless that problem is overcome, that would be the biggest barrier, I think (I'm not an infosec specialist, just a random person who used to work IT), This is also going to be the biggest barrier to pilotless planes, too - ensuring that you won't ever lose access to control the plane. I think if there were accessible systems from external locations, then probably the time it would be most at risk would be during takeoff and landing, where it's lower/slower but again, that's something that (AFAIK) isn't possible at this stage (and would probably lead to a mass grounding of planes if something was found). I know this was a huge fear with the first implementation of fly-by-wire systems and I would HOPE that aviation manufacturers are treating that as a genuine issue. Of course, I suppose it doesn't stop the risk of some really awesome hackers somehow installing a custom control box into a plane that they could access somehow from some more local satellite system or whatnot... But that would be "cheating" IMO. LOL Either that or finding some way to send incorrect GPS coordinates and hoping that nobody notices... but again, I would expect someone - either the pilot or ATC - to notice the course change at some stage. That was fun to think about. Thanks for prompting my stream-of-consciousness wall of text. ;)
Eh... I don't know about that. Most of the systems (radios, transponders, ACARS, etc.) don't have any back doors. I know most modern commercial aircraft does have a system that reports back to home base about the aircraft's health and performance, but I think most of those are alerts sent via ACARS. (I could be wrong on this point.) With this said, it MAY be possible to connect to the plane's entertainment system using the inflight Internet connection point and use the hack that the others were talking about. But this is the same level of "may be possible" as trying to get a 60's VW Bug to jump twenty school busses lined up nose to tail. So, this isn't a likely vector of attack. (It would be significantly more possible with a person on the plane assisting. But would you volunteer for that mission?) HOWEVER, Boeing is trying to develop a system where a pilot could fly the plane remotely, the same way USAF pilots fly those large drones. The idea is you have one pilot in the air as a safeguard and one pilot on the ground managing a few flights in order to cut down on the number of pilots an airline needs. And that system would be vulnerable to attacks. There are ways to midigate most of the threats, but you can't eliminate all of them.
I remember the 787 being heavily criticized because the consumer-facing systems (can't remember if Wi-Fi or IFE) were running side-by-side with aircraft critical systems. Although I haven't heard of anyone actually breaking through that security, I wouldn't want to give them _any_ chances.
I'd be interested to hear you react to a show/series I saw once on tv, I think it was called air disasters where it goes over how some of these tragic aviation disasters happened and how they unfolded. I feel it might be redundant to have someone break down a disaster and then another expert break it down lol but idk thought it might be a good idea, thought it wouldn't hurt to put it out there
50 reasons for lost communication 1: everyone onboard is actually a mute and all had amnesia at the same time on how to send text messages 2: lost power 3: all transmitting antennas fell off the plane 4: everyone died 5: the earth imploded leaving nothing to communicate to 6: the radio is removed midflight and left unlugged 7: the pilots simply refuse to talk 8: atc simply refuses to talk 9: they were all playing with superglue and glued their mouths shut 10: everyone at atc hears a loud bang and are now deaf 11: atc is on break and not actually there right now 12: both pilots lock themselves out of the cockpit 13: all microphones on the plane stop working 14: the airline didnt renew the licenses for their radio software and its switched to listen only mode 15: the plane is too far away from any reciever 16: all the recievers were removed from the airplanes flight path 17: all the recievers were under maintinence and turned off 18: ww3 started and atc has more important things to deal with 19: wormholes 20: aliens 21: radio jammers 22: an equal and exact opposite radio transmission was sent at the exact same time effectively cancelling out there radio communications 23: someone built a faraday cage around the aircraft midflight 24: the inside of the airplane is completely filled with water making vocal noises impossible 25: the interior of the aircraft becomes a vacume leaving vocal communication impossible 26: they are on the wrong frequency 27: they were only talking to the cabin and not the tower 28: atc was on the wrong frequency 29: everyone at atc had earbuds in and didnt hear any calls coming in that day due to earbud use 30: atc was on strike 31: the button for the radio had something sticky on it and nobody wanted to touch it 32: snakes on the plane strangled everyone 33: penguines stole the working radio and replaced it with coconuts and a string 34: the passengers staged a mutiny and made the pilots walk the very long planks on either sides of the plane 35: atc was over run by zombies 36: all the paper flying around the cabin made any attempt at using the radio just sound like fluttering paper 37: both pilots were talking at the same time cancelling out their own soundwaves the entire time 38: the buttons were stuck on the radios 39: a distant pulsar flipped a bit in the radio system causing it to error out 40: all the nutrinos passing through earth at that time found a molecule to hit in the plane pushing it into low earth orbit 41: all the nutrinos above the plane found a molecule to hit slamming it into the ground 42: a wayward bullet from good ol flyover ville severed both radio mics 43: flyoverville atc refuses to acknowledge a flight between the coasts 44: coastal pilots refuse to talk to flyoverville atc 45: boeing decides to upgrade the radios to the max with 8 new features and gives nobody any trianing on them causing this flight to essentially have no radios 46: boeing was left incharge of upgrading atc radios to the max with the same 8 new features nobody was told about leaving atc unable to use their radios 47: they were fully surrounded by a ball of densely packed other aircraft effectively blocking all radio communication 48: both pilots ate the airline food and were in both restrooms for an extended period of time leaving the plane on autopilot 49: both pilots had amnesia and forgot how to use the radios 50: severe turbulance flicked the switch on the radio to off an nobody noticed there you go 50 not necessarily likley reasons why they couldnt communicate
Holy cow it was me who sent you this on instagram. To prove, The message went "Hey, I don't know if you get this but have you considered a Hollywood Vs. reality on Criminal Minds S10E3 "A Thousand Suns". and I mistakenly at first said it was a 747, next message corrected to "Apparently it's a 727, my bad". never though you'd do this. Great job Kelsey as always
This must be hilarious to you pilots😂 I’m a retired paediatric critical care educator, I can’t stand watching any medical shows! They are so ridiculous and absurd. The character ( the genius boy) is the most irritating character I’ve ever seen, knows everything about everything. Love your logical breakdown👍🏻👍🏻🇦🇺👍🏻
Kelsey, you are one of the most sensible spokesmen of our age in aviation. We all want aviation to grow, and you are at the forefront of that movement. Thank you.
10 reasons for lost communication: 1, Flying really high (loss of communication) 2, hijacked plane 3, wrong frequencies 4, stuck mic 5, atc error on giving frequency 6, radio interference 7, communication system malfunction 8, Wrong position causing ATC to give wrong frequency position 9, pilot communication hacked 10, pilots making mistakes 11, ATC BUSY (JAM) 12, frequency jammed (suggested by a reply) Most of them aren't really right but hey, I tried ❤️
10 reasons for lost comms: 1. Radio bus dies and backups die as well 2. All the mic buttons break 3. The radio antenna (s) break off or fail 4. The dials to select frequency fail, especially when cycling frequencies 5. All microphones on the plane fail 6. All speakers fail (cant respond to what you cant hear) 7. The plane jams itself due to vibrations that are around the frequency you want to hear or transmit and are intercepted by the antenna 8. Any of the wiring between the radio and antenna fails 9. Something like a balloon covers the radio antenna after hitting the plane and is thick enough to screw with transmission 10. Someone or something else is continuously transmitting on all frequencies that you may need or be able to transmit on and or they are being jammed. Also, “No secret code to indicate a hijacking” bruh it’s only as secret as a publicly available book.
Hollywood's idea of hacking is always very... "interesting" when it comes to this kind of hardware. Even the simplest of early electronic control systems on aircraft had to be designed with a mind toward what would happen if an electrical component failed or misbehaved in some fashion. A lot of vehicles are rendered "remote-hack-proof" simply as a side effect of other design considerations. That's not to say a hacker could never do anything to an airplane or other vehicle. If it communicates with computer networks on the outside, there's always a possibility for an unknown security flaw that let's a hacker mess with the communication device, and then anything connected to it. But input commands that make the plane crash? I'm not aeronautical engineer, but if it's even possible for the computers to send a command that crashes the plane which the pilots cannot override, the designers have already magnificently failed at their jobs. Because if a hacker can make the computer do that, it means the computers were already capable of doing that, and computer malfunction is considered when design safety is assessed. These sorts of concerns are why electronically controlled weapon systems as on a plane or in a missile silo have mechanical safeties to prevent a computer glitch or electrical fault from firing a weapon - the sort of accident that happened on the USS Forrestal when one of these safeties was neglected. So if you see a movie where a hacker launches the US nuclear arsenal, the ICBM designers in that universe were basically asking for it. If the writers had wanted to avoid this insanity, I think a better plot may have been to have the unsub be part of the groundcrew, and since he's modeled on Ted Kaczynski, make this more about the tech than the woman who scorned him (ok this has nothing to do with planes, but aside I think it would have been better for the plot if she had missed her flight). Anyway, have him essentially *fake* a remote hack on the plane by messing with the in-flight systems while the plane is still on the ground, in a way that makes it hackable in the first place. The purpose would be to make some point to the world about how dangerous reliance on tech is, when the flaw is something he ironically created himself. I have no idea how easily the pilots can shut off the computers from the cockpit though, and in that case how easily they could get it to ground safely - if it's hard but possible, or the unsub could mess with it, it could even make for a great triumph of humans over technology to close the episode. But I'd leave it to Kelsey to discuss what pilots would/could do if all of the computers went haywire since ihnfc.
Hey Hollywood: HIRE THIS GUY! Also, Criminal Minds is (was? they done right?) THE WORST for made up, inconsistent hollywood-babble mumbo jumbo to look smart. Their tactical and LEO stuff is just cringy.
Kelsey: First - Love your channel, the absolute best in aviation. Second: Actually there is tragic case of porpoising occurring when golfer Payne Stewart was flying from Orlando FL to Dallas Texas 20 years ago. He and several others were in a Learjet 35 when the plane "ghosted". Eventually Air Force f-16's spotted it and reported the windows fogged up and the plane was "porpoising" The plane subsequently crashed in a field in South Dakota killing all on board. The cause appeared to be a faulty oxygen system that probably killed everyone aboard long before they reached 41,000 feet (the altitude when the USAF spotted the plane). They believe the "porpoising" was cause because the plane was climbing when the died and the plane was trying to continue to climb but couldn't.
Fun stuff with this one for sure. I was thinking if the premise for the show was "hacker takes over the plane remotely" and subsequently the plane starts to porpoise, why not make up the scenario to be something like, “The autopilot started a non-commanded descent and the pilots couldn’t disengage it, so they tried to fight it manually with the yoke - so the porpoise was caused by the pilots and the airplane struggling for attitude control.” Also impossible at a technological level, but if you’re going to make something up that at least sounds like it’s within the realm of physics it would be better than being in the “jet stream” of another airplane or “deployment of the slats midair despite all the safeguards against it.” Whaddaya think? Let’s just rewrite this whole thing, yah? Good times.
Also makes no sense to me that they would go for an older model of aircraft like a 727 or a 747 to have something like this happen. It would really not be possible that I can think of to sabotage an older plane like that in this sort of manner. You could in theory do it to a fly by wire plane although it would require finding a gaping hole in the airports physical security to get the unsupervised physical access necessary to sabotage it. Also pretty much the most convoluted and technically challenging means to exploit said physical security blunder to critically sabotage an aircraft. I mean you would need to replace multiple primary and backup server sized devices with malicious versions. I doubt I need to explain the far easier ways that the ability to place several large malicious devices weighing a few kilograms each on critical parts of an aircraft without detection could be exploited to do the same job.
@@seraphina985 I should read up on flight computer systems because I knew in the back of my mind that it's somehow "unhackable" and would need to pass FAA certication.
@Russ Bell Probably nobody in the film industry knew that modern fly-by-wire airliners use *several* computers. Not to mention that these computers would be hardcoded to do the thing it's supposed to do. It's probably like trying to hack a cash register. Anybody agree with me that when Hollywood sees "modern planes rely on computer" they think "Ah, they must have the ability to be hacked, then!" ?
Hi Kelsey, Thanks for all the great content on your channel. I thoroughly enjoy your videos. I was wondering if you have ever considered doing a video about cabin air circulation? With a proposal to mandate masks on planes becoming a major discussion point with regards to the pandemic, it would great to have a professionals analysis of the cleanliness of the cabin air and if/how it is filtered and cycled. I imagine there are many misconceptions about air circulation in aircraft and I admit to not knowing much about it myself. Thanks for all the great knowledge you present us viewers!
My first thought when they started talking about the porpoising and slat deployment was that someone read (or more likely skimmed over) Michael Crichton's Airframe.
Hi Kelsey, You discussed the retirement of planes (parking them in the desert); but are they valuable enough in parts to recycle in any way? P.S. I enjoy your channel so much, I now watch an episode of yours every morning well before delving into the news!
My wife and I LOVE your videos... my dad was a 47 pilot with Air Canada and watching your videos makes me wish I had asked him a lot more about his job. Keep them coming and cheers from Canada. 🍁🥓👍
Pft, here's 10 reasons for loss of communication just off the top of my head:
1. the plot demands loss of communication
2. flying through a tunnel
3. plane asks the pilot for a commitment after he gets caught checking out the curves on the 787
4. red pilot flies over blue state (politics sucks)
5. blue pilot flies over a red state (politics still suck)
6. Apple made the communication system and removed all headphone jacks
7. Sabaton is onboard and everyone's too busy headbanging
8. an electrician installed wires of a cannon plug backwards
9. a gender reveal party went really wrong
10. eye contact was made during a devil's triangle
ok... you got me 😆
😂
Sabaton. 'nuff said.
Number 7 is understandable.
Red Bull team performed a No.2. Stil, I don't think communication was the 1st thing on their mind(?) when they where performing the stunt
Kelsey: "Planes do not make cash register noise, I'm not sure why Hollywood wants them to make those noise"
Programmers, software developers, sysadmins, and more: First time?
Yeah I like how in movies the best hacker is the one who can type nonsense the fastest.
Proceeds to furiously type at 400 symbols per minute, then furiously mash enter.
I'm in the mainframe!
@@sergnoff94 i raise u NCIS: "Gibbs: McGee Hack the CIA!, McGee: But thats illegal. Gibbs: DO IT! McGee: Ok." 12 Seconds later McGee: Im in.
@@thevillainycontagion103 Also, don't forget the giant alarm on the wall/computer screen that instantly alerts them to an intrusion attempt.
@Karen S I do. Chaching!
Possible reasons for loss of communication:
1. Both pilots die
2. Both pilots hit their head and forget how to operate the radio
3. Pilot accidentally drops his hammer on the radio
4. The plane explodes
5. The radio was installed incorrectly
6. Both pilots have a grudge against ATC
7. Plane gets hijacked
8. ATC gets hijacked
9. Pilots accidentally fly into a Faraday cage
10. Plane flies into tornado and enters Oz
Yes, you got 10, BUT, every one of those are Hollywood centric scenarios 😂 I love the one about ATC getting hijacked. But pilots with a grudge against ATC?.... no comment
11. Air Canada aircraft need to land, and during the “go around” instructions from the ATC, the radio mysteriously stop functioning and have a “malfunction”. Once the aircraft has landed the radio starts working again.
I literally burst out laughing at #9. They were all funny but that one was the best. It sounds like a scenario from the Preppers TV show. 👍👍👍
@@Lightbyfaith Entering Oz seemed to be a dead giveaway that this was a joke
I have one correction, 10 is the most common reason and I feel like that should be higher up so people don’t have to press read more to see it.
Man! This video is Awesome! ✈❤
Pilot blog u r awesome
Kelsey, it’s not even really a girls name. I know 3 Lindseys and 2 Ashleys all dudes, plus there’s a Kelsey
Grammar.
My friend who’s parents were refugees from Vietnam after the war (which we did win but cos of bloody politics and Jane Fonda, millions had to flee in literal row boats with the clothe on their backs, and they still managed to not break international law for refugee status ….okay rant over),
so my friend’s parents made to Toronto safely and gave birth to him shortly afterwards, however without knowing English they left the “name part” blank….he almost didn’t have a name….until some nurse just wrote down “John” lol, thank god it wasn’t anything stupid like ABCDE or North West (should’ve been South West, imo).
Oh great videos, one question….Boeing or Airbus? Yeah the 737MAX MCAS was unacceptable, but I don’t trust anything built by the French, especially when the government owns part of the company, if that’s not a conflict of interest then I don’t I know what is.
Pilot blog i love youuuuu!
"Free food and we are there." That was funny lmao
i can't claim to be a qualified pilot, but even i could have prevented several mistakes i noticed in some aviation movies. for example, in flightplan there is a car on an aircraft palled (probably a PGE) with a strap over the roof of the car. that is exactly how it is NOT done because it would definitely damage the car. IRL only the wheels are tied down to the pallet with several straps each. also, in the same movie, there's a scene where jodie foster goes down into the cargo hold and scrambles over some AKEs on her hands and knees. IRL she would have to be the size of a mouse to do that.
If free breakfast is here, pilots will appear
I guess I may just be speaking for myself 😆
@@pierre-mariecaulliez6285 If you cater it, they will come.
@@74gear no, you're not. The pilots I know are drawn to free food, lol.
Here's 10 from your friendly maintenance legend (some more plausible than others; could squeeze a few more out):
1. Keyed mic(s)
2. ACP failure(s)
3. Mic/handset failure(s)
4. Xmit sw dmg/failure(s)
5. Bus power loss(es)
6. Xcvr failure(s)
7. Coax dmg/failure
8. Antenna dmg/failure
9. Wrong freq
10. Catastrophic loss/pilot incapacitated
"Hello, Boeing support. Have you tried rebooting the plane?"
"Unplug it from mains power for about 15 seconds."
control alt delete on the keypad and you will be back in business!
_Nah, just hit F5._
@@jackieronaldwayerston6723 Close unused applications that are running in the background to free up resources.
"Also, we've been trying to reach you about your aircraft's extended service contract!"
10 reasons for loss of communication:
1: On the wrong frequency
2: Kelsey got distracted by the hot flight attendant
3: Pilots still bitter about ATC being a jerk
4: Pilots forgot their call sign
5: Pilots were playing chess
6: Alien abduction
7: Pilots were on acid and were paranoid
8: Pilots were listening to Aerials by System of a Down
9: Pilot got sleepy and is taking a nap
10: The radio just didn’t work
I watched this episode a couple days ago while on a Criminal Minds binge and thought "I hope Kelsey sees this and does a video on it." Dreams really do come true!
hopefully you were able to guess a lot of the things that were wrong when you watched it
I cant find the episode could you tell me which one?
Why would you watch this show? The acting is so fucking flat.
@@ronpaulssecretary Because as someone who studies psychology I find it interesting to see how they utilize the subject to come to their conclusions. Why do you give rats ass why people like what they like anyways?
RUclips pushes it's BS about how everyone should make shorter videos more often, but I'm outright ecstatic when I see one of my favorite creators coming out with a 25 minute or longer video. RUclips just wants viewers to get back to that suggestions page as often as possible.
Kelsey, you're exactly what youtube needs.
It’s the same for medical shows. I’d help them with terminology, pronunciation, techniques, etc. for a bag of double stuffed Oreos. I guess film companies just think that the number of people who will recognize the glaring errors aren’t worth doing even the bare minimum research. I think you do a great job and you are adorable in the process.
True, in real life, it can actually be lupus.
I think it is the same for any technological domain, computer is the same, bunch of BS in Hollywood.
it's the same for fire/emergency shows. except firefighters have more fun ridiculing the stupidity, so they'd have to up the ante.
@@olivier2553 Im not even in the computer science field and the absurdity of Hollywood hackers is clear as day. I get there pushing a narrative but sometimes its just way over the top. My favorite example of this is Anglea from Bones, her job is a forensic artist but she just happens to create extremely advanced 3d algorithms and other insanely complex computer programs in a few hours that would probably take a team of professional programmers forever to do, if it's even possible.
I totally agree with you. Personally, if I was an actor in a medical show I would research some of the terminology that I was unfamiliar with so that I could at least pronounce it correctly.
Okay Kelsey, challenge accepted. My 10 reasons for loss of communications
1: Bird strike on all the aerials, knocking the aerials off (Immediate return / landing)
2: Loose ground lead on radio (Wouldn't take off in the first place)
3: Power spike through electrical system strong enough to melt the power feeds (Kiss your avionics goodbye too)
4: Short in radio (Tin whisker) causing radio to frequency hop on its own (Backup set would most probably still be perfectly functional)
5: Environmental seepage (Bad seals / gaskets on aerials) allowing water intrusion grounding out the aerial leads (Drop in transmission power, would be a cumulative effect and reported in log. Again, flight would probably never depart in the first place)
6: White noise / ground interference (Someone else on a similar frequency broadcasting continuously, essentially stepping on your transmission)
7: Intentional freq change instruction to a non-ATC frequency (ATC impersonator, not likely that a pilot familiar with the route would follow that instruction blindly)
8: Solar EM interference (Folks on the ground would be loosing their minds not being able to watch TV / listen to the regular radio)
9: Radiological interference. (Like a volcano erupting radioactive particulates that somehow manage to blanket the planet, essentially poisoning all VHF / UHF transmissions)
10: EM pulse in high atmosphere / low orbit. (We would have MUCH bigger issues than a single plane crashing...)
Yes, about half of those are an extreme reach and require a foil hat to believe. However, Mr. Murphy has done stranger things... I have to deal with that jerk all the time :D
23:29 - Kelsey, that's the sound of someone programming a microwave. Maybe someone in the cockpit was feeling a little peckish and wanted a quick burrito or some microwave popcorn? Can't troubleshoot on an empty stomach.
As a Brit living in the US for quite a while now, I can tell you that most Americans don't know what 'peckish' means.
@@renejean2523 As an American living in the Sea of America... I stand out? I donno. Most of the people I know know the word Peckish. Then again, my maternal grandparents were from England and Ireland, but I don't remember either of them using it. I blame Dangermouse.
@@renejean2523 American and familiar, but I also grew up on a border state and watched a lot of Canada TV, maybe incidental British-ness came through there idk.
@@jenelaina5665 - Okay, thanks. Well maybe it's just Oregonians that have never heard the word 'peckish' then!
Canadians are a little closer, culturally. The last letter of the alphabet is 'zed' and they do have Boxing Day! 🙂
@@renejean2523 and they spell color colour 😁
Hey Kelsey, I love your videos and respect all the professionalism and pride you have in your job. I’m just like that, except I’m a truck driver. As a truck driver, we can get pretty bad turbulence when following another semi truck as well. That’s often why you see trucks move into the left lane to pass another truck long before he/she’s right up on the trailer bumper of the truck he/she’s getting ready to pass. Just figured I’d pass that info along to you. Many people don’t realize that. Stay safe. “Keep’er shiny side up and greasy side down,” as my people say.
you would experience it clearly on a boat too
Every time Kelsey says "I'd never do that" ... riiiiiiiight!?!
LMAO
I came here to say this same thing.
"Ask me how I know" LMAO
😇
@@74gear Busted :-) hehe love it!!
@@74gear I believe you when you claim you never accidentally pressed the oxygen release button, but losing fuel pressure from negative gs? That _definitely_ happened to you.
"A plane part could come crashing down through your roof right now"
*Laughs from my bunker*
reminded me of Donnie Darko when he said that lol
On the plus side, there weren't papers constantly flying throughout the cabin, so at least TV Hollywood is learning _something._
Also, shout out to the future viewers who get to watch Part 2 right away, instead of waiting like their ancestors had to. :)
It's a 747 outside but a 727 inside! From that starting point, we know accuracy isn't a strong feature.
That explains why I couldn't place it! Exterior's obvious but too old of an interior for me to know it...
@@topiasr628 The single-aisle interior was obviously wrong, but at least seems consistent with the 727 blueprints that appear later. Even then, the video of the wings shows winglets and the blueprints do not.
Its your serious attention to details that was impressive. Everyone is making great and funny jokes about the movie but I hadn't put the two of those details together. You must be a pilot.
10 reasons the radio won't work
1. the air masks deployed at 5000 feet
2. The landing gear failed to retract
3. Flat tire during take off
4. MCAS not working properly
5. Pilot got sick of listening to you
6. Flight attendant is busy serving drinks
7. First officer lost his flashlight
8. Service animal in passenger compartment is attacking other passengers
9. Someone turned the key off and pulled it out of the ignition
10. Pilot is busy making RUclips videos and didn't hear you calling him
You forgot Aliens! 👽
You forgot flat earth .. seems like that'd be the #1 reason 😂😂😂
11. The airline operator missed a payment
Service animal! xD xD xD
That was amusing since I have a service dog, and she'd sooner lick you to death than attack a soul. Still funny, though. Not suggesting attacks are joking matters.
@@notme2day Ooh, that's a good idea! That and the alien one. Hey, why not combine them somehow?
Hey Kelsey, thank you for another Hollywood vs. Reality, my favorite series of yours. I'm already looking forward to the second part. In the past I have sent some suggestions for further TV-shows to analyze.
Here I tried to find out 10 things why radio communication can be lost:
1. Broken antenna (you can't check that from the cockpit)
2. All radios broken (in which case they would have squawked 7600)
3. Some electronic devices are interfering with the signal
4. Specific weather conditions interfere with the signal
5. All headsets are not plugged in properly
6. Both pilots lost their voices (maybe from very spicy food), I think in this case they would let a flight attendant talk :-)
7. Both pilots are unconscious
8. The push-to-talk buttons are all broken
9. The fuse for the radio equipment has cracked
10. The volume has been turned to 0
Kelsey in a James Bond movie and caught by villains “just give him free food and ask him a bunch of questions” He will answer everything! Lol
Absolutely love your videos! You are the best!
Kelsey: I’m offering to give you the nuclear launch codes and you give me bland Taco Bell food?!?!?!? I want Chick filla or inNout if you want the codes, I want quality fast food.
Do you expect me to talk?
"No Mr Bond, I expect you to eat first."
@@ropersonline I will pay for that movie.
@@titan4110 Suggested titles:
_Dr. Nom_
_From Rosbif with Lard_
_Codfinger_
_One Meatball_
_You Only Eat Twice_
_Om Nom Mukbang is Secret Service_
@@danielaramburo7648 Pretty sure a pilot would eat Taco Bell if that was what was offered. Not a pilot myself but I think that is Kelsey's implication XD
Loss of communications...
1) Pilot suddenly forgot English
2) Pilot was struck in throat
3) Someone cut the mike cord
4) Radio quit working
5) Copilot shot Pilot
6) Pilot shot co-pilot, then himself
7) Stewardess announced she was pregnant
8) Alien abduction (should have been #1)
9) I started this before I noticed Svizel Pritula, now I have to continue - so Svizel Pritula (as a passenger) blew up plane.
10) I blew up plane because Svizel messed it up.
Yeah, tough to come up with that many ways. Sorry to type so much on your channel, I do love your videos.
Congrats to Svizel btw.
"hacker crashes airplane"
This movie is going to suffer.
Like 9/ I mean that's a great movie
well if it has to go into 2 parts you know its rough
@@74gear im surprised by it so far
@@74gear Sir Kelsey I have couple of questions to ask you about Aviation if don't mind later make a video explaining? How do I speak to you directly sir?
Having worked in (digital) Product Security for Airbus, I was especially curious how wrong they would get the actually hacker part. Seems like I have to wait for part 2.
1-stuck mic
2-wrong freq
3-blown fuse
4-failed radio
5-failed antenna
6-failed radio-antenna Coax
7-headset not plugged in properly
8-Hijacked
9-complete loss of power on the electrical bus powering the comms
10-pilots can’t respond (too busy aviating and navigating)
11-Carrington Event (though everyone would know that-look it up).
I LOVE this: late at night, with my snack, in the dark, with the headphones watching 74 Gear. I feel lucky!
That cosyness so rare those days nocee
Enjoy it ^~^
That sounds cool. Bright daytime here ;)
@@denniswhite166 Morning here lol
But what are you wearing though
As a newly minted CFII, I will be recommending this channel to my students, if for no other reason than entertainment. Thanks for all the great content Kelsey
You missed one "little" detail. The plane went into negative g's, and everything fell *downwards*. The air masks, the luggage, the food cart, everything fell downwards. But the very definition of negative g's is that things will fall *upwards*!
Also, positive g's push you into the back of your seat? No, in the context of the story, those positive g's are upwards, and they push you into the seat of your pants, or if you prefer, your ass. The only horizontal g's you will feel are during takeoff and landing.
The writers and producers of that show literally don't know the difference between up and down.
Way too much reality for Hollywood to even consider. 👍
@@Lightbyfaith exactly! That's why they live in fantasy land! Lol
@Incog Nito After years of not seeing CSI, I watched one episode in which the murderer killed someone by pouring a bottle of acid into an enormous pool. The victim turned into something like an extra from the Walking Dead in a matter of seconds. So, that was the last episode from CSI I ever bothered to watch.
That's funny! Not knowing the difference between up & down. I'd say, also, left & right.....
@ Andres Villarreal, that's also hilarious. A tiny bit of acid in a pool definitely won't zombify a body either. It's been a long time since I watched any CSI -in hospital (which I go to a lot) they had a dedicated channel for these types of shows.
But you missed that they were flying inverted.
Kelsey, you are just a terrific You Tuber. Imagine a channel featuring a person's face and comments reflecting his experience, education and talent...You are one great person and pilot. I wish you nothing but the best of everything. Many thanks.
Your videos are getting more and more addicting
True. He easily could release like 5 a day and it still wouldn't be enough. 🤣
I just come for his warm greeting, don't care much for flying or the water, I'm an Earth man! (forest in particular).
You know what they say… “RUclips rehab is for quitters”
My dad was interviewed over the phone once for a story in an American newspaper about his helicopter crash into high tension powerlines in the UK.
He barely said his name and yes and no a few times before hanging up, but when we saw the article it was full of made up nonsense and how his life flashed before his eyes (he said the only flash he saw was from the electricity lol).
Sounds like a bad case of Dishonest Journalism Syndrome...
@@InventorZahran yeah. This was back into the late 70s or early 80s though. :)
@@InventorZahran Frankly talking to the average RUclipsr about a movie results in them twisting your words. They hear what they want to hear. Almost all humans see what they expect to see, and hear what they expect to hear.
In the UK early 2000s ish. I witnessed a fire. The news article on it was pure gibberish. It went on about the wind thundering through the "little valley" and funneling the fire...
It was on top of a cliff and there was literally no wind that day. Super still and sunny today, quite warm. I'd say 15-16C if memory serves.
Moreover thr picture they used of the "ravenous blaze" was taken after the fire had already been put out pretty much
Fake News is NOT a new phenomenon. "Remember the Maine - To Hell with Spain!"
Given that the exterior establish shot is a 747 and the interior is a narrow body, my guess is that the hacking part isn't going to be very real.
Hollywood writers tend to know even less about hacking than about aviation, so I guess you're right.
@@unvergebeneid they know nothing about either
@@co3476 well, for aviation they know at least "plane goes brrrrrr" which is _basically_ correct. For hacking they seem to think that it looks like "hacker goes brrrr" which is already wrong.
@@co3476 true enough. They are telling a story and are counting on suspension of belief to get people past the technical rough spots. They should be less lazy when putting scripts together because in the end, the little things do detract from the story.
@@unvergebeneid lol! 🤣👍
Kelsey, this is the funniest and best roast of "Hollywood" you've done. Bravo
15:56 - "We have to remember the transponder was still working. No secret code to indicate a hijacking."
I don't think squawking 7500 is a secret. In fact, 74 Gear has done a Hollywood vs. Reality on a movie named from that transponder code, "7500."
Fantastic movie, by the way. Very tense, great acting and extremely non-Hollywood.
@@asystole_
i dont think that movie was hollywood anyway (i think it was shot in germany), but it was a very good movie.
The tension and suspense is real in that one, no over the top exaggerating, or artificially heightening suspense through music or dialogue. Its just pure unfiltered brutal reality of the situation, that makes the experience so much more immersive.
It really helps when you casted a real-life airline pilot in the role of the captain. "7500" is up there with "United 93", which also had real-life airline pilots and flight attendants in its cast, when it comes realistic depictions of crew SOP's.
the secret part is if more than three planes are squawking 7500 it means welcome to steam edition
Woo! I submitted this episode to you on Instagram barely over a month ago. Great job! Can't wait for part 2!
There you go, folks, give him a suggestion and you may just see him cover it!
So happy you did a video on this after I messaged you 🤣🤣 Can't wait for a part two - it definitely deserves one 🤣
Glad you liked it it will be out Sunday
This isn't the first Criminal Mind that gets everything wrong IRL. I don't understand how they can seriously keep going with all of its inaccuracies. Love your videos BTW!
Kelsey: "Don't ask me how I know."
Me; "Kelsey, how do you know this?"
I think you need to lay-on a complimentary buffet to get that question answered.
I absolutely love how Kelsey keeps fishing for movie / TV consulting work - Put on a free breakfast buffet and they will come. It's like looking for a hotel.
Lost Communication (i'm no pilot):
1. Radio Out
2. ACARS Out
3. Squawk thing
4. Wrong Frequency
5. Busy Signal
6. ATC is your soon-to-be-X and isn't speaking to you
7. Plane is wired wrong, so when first class Loo is flushed, radio is jettisoned.
8. Ripley shot an Alien right over all the wires that lead to the comm-box in the tail (Acid)
9. Airplane went through a temporal wormhole and there are only Dinosaurs, but they're on the wrong frequency
10. Airplane went through a spatial wormhole and is trying to fly in the atmosphere of Saturn (Under Pressure playing on the missing radio)
11. Jet-Pack guy from Los Angeles is visiting relatives and goes splot with the airplane, taking out their rabbit ears comm antennae
12. A flying Drone with special magnets flies up, and distorts all comms while sticking like a limpet.
13. The airplane is flying and accidentally impacts with the Hindenburg, and nobody notices that there are a lot of pieces of wreckage that make no sense.
14. Time Travelers from the future know the plane is going to crash, so they've replaced all the people with facsimile bodies, so nobody can work the radio
15. The airplane might be flying through an unexpected pyroclastic cloud, and unable to penetrate the thick ash with comm systems.
16. Everyone on the plane took their phone out of "Airplane Mode" and discovered it mutes all comms in the plane
17. The airplane passes through an alternate reality portal where English is a forbidden language and the ATC sends out a fighter jet to take them out.
18. The entire airplane is abducted by Aliens.
19. The entire airplane goes sub-sea-level flying and the water causes the comms to short out.
20. The wi-fi on the plane goes out, and the tech guy is on a lunch break, but will fix the entire airline wide comms systems when he's back from lunch.
Hollywood writers should hire you, this was hilariously creative
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All legit. Challenge completed
you missed WIFE on the phone ...
Respect
Thank you, your analysis is spot on. One of the worst researched series I have ever wasted time on, all of their stories have canyons in them. I think the show is directed at the type of audience who watch while playing games on their devices. Love your channel, look forward to every video.
6:28
1. crashing into Mt. Everest
2. crashing into K2
3. crashing into Mt. Kilimanjaro
4. crashing into Matterhorn
5. crashing into Mont Blanc
6. crashing into Denali
7. crashing into Makalu
8. crashing into Manaslu
9. crashing into Fitz Roy
10. crashing into Mount Elbrus
why did I laugh so hard at this
Dude, your body is so well trained and calm it looked like a picture at the start, I legit thought you ran to the pisser and left a still image to fool us, but after at least two minutes you cracked a smirk at the ridiculousness of it all. You are for sure the only pilot I’d trust if we were in a risk of a crash.
So if you ever get a call at like 1 in the morning of “Some guy is going down in a 747 and is begging us to fly in Kelsey from some 74 gear because well all die if not” it’s just me. Great video :D
Couldn't stop laughing throughout this video, you were hilarious. Hollywood has a lot to learn, maybe they cannot afford a buffet for you guys.😁
Glad you liked it and I do eat a lot at the buffet so that makes sense
@@74gear😁😁
Agreed! at 7:02 loved Kelsey's reaction face to the silly stuff they say (Edit: & again at 11:52). They say it with such genuine looks it cracks me up. Obviously, it's acting but it makes me wonder what they're thinking about their scripts.
@@74gear sussy balls
Kelsey! This was fantastic! I laughed so much. I love your info and how you break all this Hollywood stuff down! Can’t wait to see Part dos! I’m getting a little worried about those Acars, however😂😂
There's gotta be 50 ways to lose communications:
Pull out the jack, Jack
Talk into a can, Stan
Those slats won't deploy, Roy
Just listen to me.
Shut off your bus, Gus
No need to discuss much,
Hold down the talk key, Lee
And don't listen to me.
Great homage to Paul Simon 👍
I know I'm not the only one who sang this
what's your vector, victor?
Hahaha. I have worked on some of these TV shows before, doing VFX, and the ideas of some of these writers when it comes to aviation is just out of this world. Gotta love the creativity tho. Lol
Creativity is one word for it 😆
@@74gear also, love your videos. Currently trying to switch from entertainment to aviation, and find these videos hilarious and spot on 😂
Love your vids Kelsey! Favorite aviation channel
I've learned so much from you. I have a friend who is a student pilot and it's fun to have some idea of how flying works so we can have a conversation
thats great to hear Dave thanks!
How about a review of Airport 75? A mid-air collision between a small plane and Boeing 747 damages the flight deck and blinds the surviving pilot. This leaves a flight attendant (Karen Black) trying to follow instructions from the ground to keep the plane airborne. The movie is also a snapshot of commercial aviation in the mid 70s and the bizarre fashions of the time. It would be great to get a perspective on this even though 1975 avionics were very different from modern technology. I really enjoy 74 Gear's videos!
Thanks Kelsey!! I love your vids & often rewatch just because you always leave me feeling happy and smiling. You're such a great person! Thanks for all your hard work! 👍✌🖖😘
That’s really nice of you to say thank you!!
@@74gear I took a ss of this lol
Well, it could have been worse. They could have referenced propeller planes. Thanks for a fun 25 mins, Kelsey.
Thank you for uploading every week! I really enjoy your videos.
Absolutely Alena glad you enjoy them 🙏🏻
24:28 ACARS must sound very Star Trekkie LCARS to Hollywood, as well as the cash register noices when pushing buttons 😂
Genuinely, I have never flown before; growing up in a family with three siblings, family trips or travel in itself would be more expensive so we would just plan simple things so we wouldn't have to travel far. I would like to someday, the idea of flying is just so fascinating to me, plus my childlike fantasy of flying like a bird would be somewhat satisfied.
Just a long winded way to say thank you for help teaching and informing me about something I hope I'll be able to keep in mind when I'm able to go on a plane. :)
Try to go up in a general aviation (small) aircraft to get that feeling you were talking about. A commercial jet is fun to fly in, but to get the feeling of flying, small planes are great!
I flew as a very young child - maybe 3 years old in the late 70s - so a very long time ago. The only thing I remember is being amazed at seeing the clouds and ocean below me from the window, and I remember getting motion sick after we landed. But that's it, really. Because of my health and other issues, I've never been on a plane since, and I'm genuinely not sure if I would love it, throw up because I'm so prone to motion sickness even as an adult, or be terrified! But here I am, loving and learning. :)
If you are in Europe, wizz air sometimes has return tickets to Italy or something for like 9 euros total, go have dinner there sometime lol for fun!
Also a fun way to piss of all the annoying climate whiners:
"I flew round trip to Italy from the Netherlands for 9 euros for a pizza".
It'll probably shut them up 😜 😂
Check out Southwest if you're in the US. They're basically designed for vacationers as one of the "low cost airlines".
Great video, 74. Loved how the 72-2 morphed into a 74. The 78 wing is a work of art, can trace its lineage all the way back to the B-29, which was the first aircraft to have the wing designed to flex as load was applied.
Hahah your face when they said to reset everything. 😆 I don’t remember this episode at all, but clearly they should’ve been consulting a pilot like you!
Doesn’t even have to be me, I think any pilot would do 😂
@@74gear of course it doesn’t have to be you, but since you’re on the subject…😉
@@74gear: I've hardly even been in an airplane, but I've watched all episodes of Air Crash Investigation and that would be enough to help them improve. :) One possible reason for porpoising is that the plane is set to climb and has climbed too high. That happened on a Learjet that lost pressure so everyone passed out. See? They should hire me! :)
I was on an A319 a couple of years ago, whilst in the hold position waiting for runway clearance, one of the pilots came on the PA to tell us they needed to restart the systems because some of the systems weren't responding correctly and they literally did isolate the busses for a few moments.
One of the best videos i've watched so far! Great stuff !
You aint kidding, 787 wing is a masterpiece. So beautiful. Hollywood gets a lot wrong. I'm the worst to watch movies with because I'm always picking apart what is inaccurate. These "actors" are horrible. They literally sound like they are reading from a script. lol
it looks like the plane is smiling in flight. don't know if it was deliberate or not, but it's psychologically effective.
As a retired crew chief in the Air Force, I also pick those movies apart.
These '... vs Reality' uploads are hilarious. Just love 'em 🤣👍
Thank you! That episode drove me nuts. Okay, most of them did. But seriously, how is it so hard for them to get it right?!
TBF tho, I suspect most viewers wouldn't have picked up any of what Kelsey's flagged so far...? 😏 I certainly didn't on first viewing, as a CM fan - after enthusiastically following multiple aviation YT channels I think I'd have a lot more questions now!! But still might not have blinked at things like exactly how they were referencing the ACAS...?
Given all that however: definitely agree that wherever possible, show & film creators should try to consult accurate experts whenever they're basing a plot around something technical, as here. Does make me wonder who (if anyone) they used as their tech consultants??
I wish there was a collab video between Kelsey's 74Gear and Lito Sousa's AviõesEMúsicas. These two are so entertaining and knowledgeable about aviation. Great content as always man keep it up, greetings from Brazil!!
Hey Kelsey, fun to see how you pick stuff up that goes right past most of us viewers. I noticed you have 702K followers. Got something special planned for when you hit 747K?
bro your legit my favorite channel ever
I love how during the supposed negative G force event, every loose item crashes to the floor. Hmm. I believe that’s positive G!
(To be fair, whenever a plane descends, you will experience slightly reduced gravity, like in an elevator. Sensitive passengers will find this to be unpleasant and might incorrectly describe it as negative G.)
Only happens on faster descends, you can descend with perfect 1G all the way just fine, hell that guy who barrel-rolled a 707 a few times did it with 1G all the way. Red bull racing aircraft frequently show one of their party tricks of pouring a glass while doing a barrel roll. They go upside down while inside a perfect 1G gravity remains.
I'd say nervous passengers will find this to be unpleasant. sensitive passengers may also find it to be indicative of nearing their next waypoint.
@@someguy4915 It is not the descend itself that is problematic, it is the beginning of the descent that feels weird. Also do not confuse 1G with coordinated flight, you can pour liquids into glasses at 2G easily (well, if you are strong enough and used to it), but you must be in coordinated flight (the G-forces point down, as we are used to).
@@NetAndyCz That's what 1G is referring to within the given context...
And again, entering a descent doesn't need to induce any change in gravity unless the pilots 'yeet' the nose down in an attempt to become Denzel Washington and fly a passenger plane inverted...
@@someguy4915 Even if the pilot just reduces the power I feel the change of its direction and get butterflies in the stomach. It is a weird sensation and it is hard to avoid, the pilot would need to adjust vertical speed very slowly.
Can’t wait to see the second part of this! I’m not a pilot (wish I was) & feel I’ve learned a lot more about aviation from you. I even calmed down a pax during flight, that he treated me to dinner when we got to Aruba!
Congrats for 700k ❤️
Your advice helped me a ton when I recently went flying and went over the ocean. I thought of you a bunch and it helped a lot with staying calm.
10 reasons for lost communication
1- plane crashes
2- pilots dead
3- pilots unconscious
4- wrong frequency
5- broken headsets
6- mechanical failure
5- hijacking
7- terrorist attack on act
8- pilots queuing up to go to the bathroom
9- underground parking lot
10- pilots admiring 787’s curves
Bonus: maintenance accidentally buys AA batteries instead of AAA batteries
Extra bonus: ATC is playing shitty music so pilots turn communications off
This was by far the hardest thing to watch yet... Please just spare me
OH GOD A PART 2 I CANT
At this rate, Hollywood HAS TO make you a technical advisor!
Or they ban me from movie theaters… that seems more likely 😆
they have technical advisors. They advise on alot of things and most often the conclusion is: "That dont look good on TV/Cinema, lets compromise: we make it look like a plane/boat/spaseshuttle and ignore all the rest u said about realism" Usually the technical advisor then goes like: "As long as i get payed do whatever u want".
I realize that Hollywood produces movies for the masses and most viewers wouldn't know the difference between a 727 and a 747 let alone aircraft systems. It's all drama. But for me, nothing spoils a movie more than blatant screw ups. The most common and irritating one is when someone is driving a car and the shift lever is in park. Most folks wouldn't notice. I have flying experience in both rotary and fixed wing aircraft and most movies are cringe worthy as far as getting it right. Love your videos Kelsey and always good for a laugh. Safe flights.
Lost comms #1 reasons. Guerilla infiltrated the aircraft by swinging from a large branch, timing it perfectly to land on and opening the hatch using his secret monkey magic. He then leaps forward using his incredible mass and strength to break through the cockpit door and using his pinky finger switches off the pilots mic.
Happens more often than you think
You mispelled gorilla so I just imagine a terrorist acting like a monkey 😂
19:31 is the flap handle. On the 743/744 these are no slats but leading edge flaps or better said Krueger flaps. Slats are on the d10/m11.
"This is completely Hollywood". I've got another word for it!🤣🤣🤣 love your video's!
It is bull****?
This was one of your funniest videos. Their obsession with ACARS and your explanation of it legit made me lol
Having not seen this episode or followed the series, I've got to ask why law enforcement is attempting to conduct an air crash investigation? Great analysis and video though Kelsey.
FBI will investigate a crash if it looks like there has been something criminal done, like a bomb, but not why it went down. That is the job of the accident investigation team.
The story is that the plane crash was a suspected bomb attack, and the BAU (Behavioral Analysis Unit) was called to profile the attacker because it was feared to be the next 9/11. It wasn't, and it ended up being an Unsub who hijacked this plane and forced it to crash, and hijacked the other plane from the ground via passenger tablet connected to the in-plane wifi. They get the guy after a while and safe everyone onboard the next plane.
Their demonstrated knowledge of aviation and how planes work clearly make them the best candidate to solve the crime. ;p.
all of a sudden cops knew about airplanes, on that show these actors playing cops do it horribly then they try to interject on something else
"Your plane will narc you out" made my day!
Some years ago a security researcher managed to access other airplane systems from the entertainment system. That was direct access so much different than doing something from the ground but I wouldn't be too sure that someone motivated couldn't find vulnerabilities in the various systems that receive data from the ground and/or satellite
I remember that too. I think that it would entirely depend on what components or systems could be accessed remotely and while at 30 thousand feet. That makes it much, much harder, because pretty much everything is an isolated system inside the plane, and the distances and speed make it incredibly hard to get or keep access. There are times where even GPS cuts out for short periods of time, potentially, simply because there aren't enough GPS satellites in the right place during the flights, apparently. So until or unless that problem is overcome, that would be the biggest barrier, I think (I'm not an infosec specialist, just a random person who used to work IT), This is also going to be the biggest barrier to pilotless planes, too - ensuring that you won't ever lose access to control the plane.
I think if there were accessible systems from external locations, then probably the time it would be most at risk would be during takeoff and landing, where it's lower/slower but again, that's something that (AFAIK) isn't possible at this stage (and would probably lead to a mass grounding of planes if something was found). I know this was a huge fear with the first implementation of fly-by-wire systems and I would HOPE that aviation manufacturers are treating that as a genuine issue.
Of course, I suppose it doesn't stop the risk of some really awesome hackers somehow installing a custom control box into a plane that they could access somehow from some more local satellite system or whatnot... But that would be "cheating" IMO. LOL Either that or finding some way to send incorrect GPS coordinates and hoping that nobody notices... but again, I would expect someone - either the pilot or ATC - to notice the course change at some stage.
That was fun to think about. Thanks for prompting my stream-of-consciousness wall of text. ;)
IIRC it was only in a simulated environment, not an actual airplane.
Eh... I don't know about that. Most of the systems (radios, transponders, ACARS, etc.) don't have any back doors. I know most modern commercial aircraft does have a system that reports back to home base about the aircraft's health and performance, but I think most of those are alerts sent via ACARS. (I could be wrong on this point.) With this said, it MAY be possible to connect to the plane's entertainment system using the inflight Internet connection point and use the hack that the others were talking about. But this is the same level of "may be possible" as trying to get a 60's VW Bug to jump twenty school busses lined up nose to tail. So, this isn't a likely vector of attack. (It would be significantly more possible with a person on the plane assisting. But would you volunteer for that mission?)
HOWEVER, Boeing is trying to develop a system where a pilot could fly the plane remotely, the same way USAF pilots fly those large drones. The idea is you have one pilot in the air as a safeguard and one pilot on the ground managing a few flights in order to cut down on the number of pilots an airline needs. And that system would be vulnerable to attacks. There are ways to midigate most of the threats, but you can't eliminate all of them.
I remember the 787 being heavily criticized because the consumer-facing systems (can't remember if Wi-Fi or IFE) were running side-by-side with aircraft critical systems. Although I haven't heard of anyone actually breaking through that security, I wouldn't want to give them _any_ chances.
@@Fay7666 I think finding the bloody plane on the internet would be far harder than cracking any security system on the plane once you found it.
Congrats on 700k! :D
I'd be interested to hear you react to a show/series I saw once on tv, I think it was called air disasters where it goes over how some of these tragic aviation disasters happened and how they unfolded. I feel it might be redundant to have someone break down a disaster and then another expert break it down lol but idk thought it might be a good idea, thought it wouldn't hurt to put it out there
Awesome as always, greeting from Australia 🇦🇺
50 reasons for lost communication
1: everyone onboard is actually a mute and all had amnesia at the same time on how to send text messages
2: lost power
3: all transmitting antennas fell off the plane
4: everyone died
5: the earth imploded leaving nothing to communicate to
6: the radio is removed midflight and left unlugged
7: the pilots simply refuse to talk
8: atc simply refuses to talk
9: they were all playing with superglue and glued their mouths shut
10: everyone at atc hears a loud bang and are now deaf
11: atc is on break and not actually there right now
12: both pilots lock themselves out of the cockpit
13: all microphones on the plane stop working
14: the airline didnt renew the licenses for their radio software and its switched to listen only mode
15: the plane is too far away from any reciever
16: all the recievers were removed from the airplanes flight path
17: all the recievers were under maintinence and turned off
18: ww3 started and atc has more important things to deal with
19: wormholes
20: aliens
21: radio jammers
22: an equal and exact opposite radio transmission was sent at the exact same time effectively cancelling out there radio communications
23: someone built a faraday cage around the aircraft midflight
24: the inside of the airplane is completely filled with water making vocal noises impossible
25: the interior of the aircraft becomes a vacume leaving vocal communication impossible
26: they are on the wrong frequency
27: they were only talking to the cabin and not the tower
28: atc was on the wrong frequency
29: everyone at atc had earbuds in and didnt hear any calls coming in that day due to earbud use
30: atc was on strike
31: the button for the radio had something sticky on it and nobody wanted to touch it
32: snakes on the plane strangled everyone
33: penguines stole the working radio and replaced it with coconuts and a string
34: the passengers staged a mutiny and made the pilots walk the very long planks on either sides of the plane
35: atc was over run by zombies
36: all the paper flying around the cabin made any attempt at using the radio just sound like fluttering paper
37: both pilots were talking at the same time cancelling out their own soundwaves the entire time
38: the buttons were stuck on the radios
39: a distant pulsar flipped a bit in the radio system causing it to error out
40: all the nutrinos passing through earth at that time found a molecule to hit in the plane pushing it into low earth orbit
41: all the nutrinos above the plane found a molecule to hit slamming it into the ground
42: a wayward bullet from good ol flyover ville severed both radio mics
43: flyoverville atc refuses to acknowledge a flight between the coasts
44: coastal pilots refuse to talk to flyoverville atc
45: boeing decides to upgrade the radios to the max with 8 new features and gives nobody any trianing on them causing this flight to essentially have no radios
46: boeing was left incharge of upgrading atc radios to the max with the same 8 new features nobody was told about leaving atc unable to use their radios
47: they were fully surrounded by a ball of densely packed other aircraft effectively blocking all radio communication
48: both pilots ate the airline food and were in both restrooms for an extended period of time leaving the plane on autopilot
49: both pilots had amnesia and forgot how to use the radios
50: severe turbulance flicked the switch on the radio to off an nobody noticed
there you go 50 not necessarily likley reasons why they couldnt communicate
Lmao you really listed 50 of them!
My favourite are probably #31 and #46, both more probable than not 🤣🤣🤣
Holy cow it was me who sent you this on instagram. To prove, The message went "Hey, I don't know if you get this but have you considered a Hollywood Vs. reality on Criminal Minds S10E3 "A Thousand Suns". and I mistakenly at first said it was a 747, next message corrected to "Apparently it's a 727, my bad". never though you'd do this. Great job Kelsey as always
This must be hilarious to you pilots😂 I’m a retired paediatric critical care educator, I can’t stand watching any medical shows! They are so ridiculous and absurd. The character ( the genius boy) is the most irritating character I’ve ever seen, knows everything about everything. Love your logical breakdown👍🏻👍🏻🇦🇺👍🏻
Kelsey, you are one of the most sensible spokesmen of our age in aviation. We all want aviation to grow, and you are at the forefront of that movement. Thank you.
10 reasons for lost communication:
1, Flying really high (loss of communication)
2, hijacked plane
3, wrong frequencies
4, stuck mic
5, atc error on giving frequency
6, radio interference
7, communication system malfunction
8, Wrong position causing ATC to give wrong frequency position
9, pilot communication hacked
10, pilots making mistakes
11, ATC BUSY (JAM)
12, frequency jammed (suggested by a reply)
Most of them aren't really right but hey, I tried ❤️
So this list looks like 10 but is really just 3-atc, pilot error, electronic malfunction.
11. Frequencies being jammed.
Wouldn't flying high just extend your range?
10 reasons for lost comms:
1. Radio bus dies and backups die as well
2. All the mic buttons break
3. The radio antenna (s) break off or fail
4. The dials to select frequency fail, especially when cycling frequencies
5. All microphones on the plane fail
6. All speakers fail (cant respond to what you cant hear)
7. The plane jams itself due to vibrations that are around the frequency you want to hear or transmit and are intercepted by the antenna
8. Any of the wiring between the radio and antenna fails
9. Something like a balloon covers the radio antenna after hitting the plane and is thick enough to screw with transmission
10. Someone or something else is continuously transmitting on all frequencies that you may need or be able to transmit on and or they are being jammed.
Also, “No secret code to indicate a hijacking” bruh it’s only as secret as a publicly available book.
Hollywood's idea of hacking is always very... "interesting" when it comes to this kind of hardware. Even the simplest of early electronic control systems on aircraft had to be designed with a mind toward what would happen if an electrical component failed or misbehaved in some fashion. A lot of vehicles are rendered "remote-hack-proof" simply as a side effect of other design considerations. That's not to say a hacker could never do anything to an airplane or other vehicle. If it communicates with computer networks on the outside, there's always a possibility for an unknown security flaw that let's a hacker mess with the communication device, and then anything connected to it.
But input commands that make the plane crash? I'm not aeronautical engineer, but if it's even possible for the computers to send a command that crashes the plane which the pilots cannot override, the designers have already magnificently failed at their jobs. Because if a hacker can make the computer do that, it means the computers were already capable of doing that, and computer malfunction is considered when design safety is assessed. These sorts of concerns are why electronically controlled weapon systems as on a plane or in a missile silo have mechanical safeties to prevent a computer glitch or electrical fault from firing a weapon - the sort of accident that happened on the USS Forrestal when one of these safeties was neglected. So if you see a movie where a hacker launches the US nuclear arsenal, the ICBM designers in that universe were basically asking for it.
If the writers had wanted to avoid this insanity, I think a better plot may have been to have the unsub be part of the groundcrew, and since he's modeled on Ted Kaczynski, make this more about the tech than the woman who scorned him (ok this has nothing to do with planes, but aside I think it would have been better for the plot if she had missed her flight). Anyway, have him essentially *fake* a remote hack on the plane by messing with the in-flight systems while the plane is still on the ground, in a way that makes it hackable in the first place. The purpose would be to make some point to the world about how dangerous reliance on tech is, when the flaw is something he ironically created himself. I have no idea how easily the pilots can shut off the computers from the cockpit though, and in that case how easily they could get it to ground safely - if it's hard but possible, or the unsub could mess with it, it could even make for a great triumph of humans over technology to close the episode. But I'd leave it to Kelsey to discuss what pilots would/could do if all of the computers went haywire since ihnfc.
I love the longer videos you have been making! Keep up the great content
I heard one pilot who tried several times to check in on a new frequency finally say “Don’t make me come down there.”
Congrats on 700K!
Hey Hollywood: HIRE THIS GUY!
Also, Criminal Minds is (was? they done right?) THE WORST for made up, inconsistent hollywood-babble mumbo jumbo to look smart. Their tactical and LEO stuff is just cringy.
Worse than NCIS and four-handed hacking?
@@rdfox76 Not a fair comparison : NCIS is just the tv version of a paper cut on the eyeball.
They are probable thinking "well, it worked for star trek and star wars ...."
@@davidburroughs2244 at least Star Trek is science /fiction/ :P
Kelsey: First - Love your channel, the absolute best in aviation.
Second: Actually there is tragic case of porpoising occurring when golfer Payne Stewart was flying from Orlando FL to Dallas Texas 20 years ago. He and several others were in a Learjet 35 when the plane "ghosted". Eventually Air Force f-16's spotted it and reported the windows fogged up and the plane was "porpoising" The plane subsequently crashed in a field in South Dakota killing all on board. The cause appeared to be a faulty oxygen system that probably killed everyone aboard long before they reached 41,000 feet (the altitude when the USAF spotted the plane). They believe the "porpoising" was cause because the plane was climbing when the died and the plane was trying to continue to climb but couldn't.
Fun stuff with this one for sure. I was thinking if the premise for the show was "hacker takes over the plane remotely" and subsequently the plane starts to porpoise, why not make up the scenario to be something like, “The autopilot started a non-commanded descent and the pilots couldn’t disengage it, so they tried to fight it manually with the yoke - so the porpoise was caused by the pilots and the airplane struggling for attitude control.” Also impossible at a technological level, but if you’re going to make something up that at least sounds like it’s within the realm of physics it would be better than being in the “jet stream” of another airplane or “deployment of the slats midair despite all the safeguards against it.” Whaddaya think? Let’s just rewrite this whole thing, yah? Good times.
This is acually the premise for an airplane porpoising in aMichael Chrichton novel!
@@richardnewton8394 Michael Crichton is a good author. Always good to read a well researched and plausible story even if it's fiction, right?
Also makes no sense to me that they would go for an older model of aircraft like a 727 or a 747 to have something like this happen. It would really not be possible that I can think of to sabotage an older plane like that in this sort of manner. You could in theory do it to a fly by wire plane although it would require finding a gaping hole in the airports physical security to get the unsupervised physical access necessary to sabotage it. Also pretty much the most convoluted and technically challenging means to exploit said physical security blunder to critically sabotage an aircraft. I mean you would need to replace multiple primary and backup server sized devices with malicious versions. I doubt I need to explain the far easier ways that the ability to place several large malicious devices weighing a few kilograms each on critical parts of an aircraft without detection could be exploited to do the same job.
@@seraphina985 I should read up on flight computer systems because I knew in the back of my mind that it's somehow "unhackable" and would need to pass FAA certication.
@Russ Bell Probably nobody in the film industry knew that modern fly-by-wire airliners use *several* computers.
Not to mention that these computers would be hardcoded to do the thing it's supposed to do. It's probably like trying to hack a cash register.
Anybody agree with me that when Hollywood sees "modern planes rely on computer" they think "Ah, they must have the ability to be hacked, then!" ?
Hi Kelsey,
Thanks for all the great content on your channel. I thoroughly enjoy your videos. I was wondering if you have ever considered doing a video about cabin air circulation? With a proposal to mandate masks on planes becoming a major discussion point with regards to the pandemic, it would great to have a professionals analysis of the cleanliness of the cabin air and if/how it is filtered and cycled. I imagine there are many misconceptions about air circulation in aircraft and I admit to not knowing much about it myself. Thanks for all the great knowledge you present us viewers!
My first thought when they started talking about the porpoising and slat deployment was that someone read (or more likely skimmed over) Michael Crichton's Airframe.
Did I miss that part in the book, or did I just read it too thoroughly? Maybe I should read it again.
@@roichir7699Airframe was based on parts of two real incidents, one of which was uncommanded slat deployment in cruise.
I've been wanting you to do this for so long, thank you so much!
The overhead compartment popping open reminds me of flying on alligent. 😂
This is the best one so far. Omg you crack me up.
Hi Kelsey, You discussed the retirement of planes (parking them in the desert); but are they valuable enough in parts to recycle in any way?
P.S. I enjoy your channel so much, I now watch an episode of yours every morning well before delving into the news!
Good question. I also wonder if they literally park them in the desert, or if that's just an expression. It could be either/or, I guess.
Yes, good question!
My wife and I LOVE your videos... my dad was a 47 pilot with Air Canada and watching your videos makes me wish I had asked him a lot more about his job. Keep them coming and cheers from Canada. 🍁🥓👍