Elon Musk DESTROYING BBC Reporter's Lies! Body Language Analyst Reacts.
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2023
- Elon Musk calls BBC interviewer out on his lies! In an interview about his acquisition of Twitter, entrepreneur Elon Musk (Tesla, SpaceX,) got into a few heated exchanges with BBC reporter, James Clayton. But what does their body language, facial expressions and word choice reveal and who is REALLY running this conversation? Find out now!
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01:12 Comfort vs Discomfort
05:30 Elon Musk and Autism
10:17 Elon Musk Body Language
17:10 Autism and Behavioral Analysis
20:35 James Clayton Body Language
25:23 Elon Musk and Honesty
30:35 Elon Musk and Stress
32:11 What is This Answer?!
34:23 Interviewer Lies!
44:16 Elon Musk's Social Fear
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Loving the conversations in the comments today! And some great elaborations have surfaced for me! Thanks to the commenters who helped me push these thoughts further…
1- a lot of you seem to on board that at the end the discomfort from Elon was more about the stress of not knowing than deception. I completely agree but another theory I really like has emerged. Maybe we’re seeing leftover stress from the whole “ you just lied” confrontation. That whole thing visibly stressed Elon out and it’s very possible that part of him is still stuck on that, maybe even trying to figure out why James lied. I like this theory. I would say my one argument against it is that there were a lot of questions after the confrontation where he was quite calm and back to baseline but that question about India specifically seemed to spike his stress. But it remains very possible that in the moment the stress of that moment resurfaced. I like this theory.
2- I love that a few of our community members on the autism spectrum related to the cell phone vanish stating that you often put something on you and then forget it’s there and end up looking for it. Haha I’m not sure if this is more common for people with ASD, it’s not something I’ve ever heard of. Does anyone have any thoughts on this behavior as it relates to autism? I suppose it wouldn’t shock me to observe this in a neurotypical person either, but I found it interesting how many autistic commenter said this is a pattern for them.
3- the deck of cards is in the great beyond now. Safe travels dear friend… safe travels.
Loool the deck of cards 😂 🤣 👋🏻
Absolutely, it is more common on the spectrum, in my experience asperger's syndrome now high functioning autism...
People will have something on them, forget and search for it... it can lead to a "melt down" when it is right there if it's an "important" item like a comforter, especially for a child on the spectrum... Hope this helps.❤
AuDHD here, the phone thing is also a pattern for me! lol
I've learned that due to my autism, I have poor proprioception and poor interoception. Sometimes I don't feel or notice certain parts of my body so I could totally do that with my phone and forget.
Nicely done, Spidey. You really listen to your community, and that feels exceedingly rare for a channel as big as yours has become. You're one of a kind, my dude.
@@_hunnybe also AuDHD here, although in most of my comments I probably mostly talked about the autistic side of me 😁 I was recapping this video to my autistic grown up daughter and she was quick to point out: it's because out of sight - out of mind! I think she is correct. Sometimes my brain is so busy it doesn't notice what my body is doing, there is a disconnect somewhere. That's why I tend to be very clumsy, I walk into stuff, drop things and VERY often I misjudge the distance from my hand to my face when drinking (doesn't matter if it's alcohol or non-alcoholic beverages), and I end up tilting the glass just before it reaches my mouth and I spill all over. I spill everything when I'm drinking! I literally just pour water all over myself because I missed!
I think Elon was honestly surprised when the reporter lied about what he had previously said. I don't think Elon was being rude or combative when he exclaimed, "You lied!" It sounded like a open person who expected honesty from the person he was talking to.
💯 yep. Autistic people have a hard time with deception often. They stick to the literal. I absolutely believe he was surprised by the lie
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
I think Elon was getting enthusiastic on calling out the lie. He was playing with him. And rightfully so. We aspergers are often very dissapointed by lies and insincerity by our loved ones, friends and collegues. But we also love to point these things out and see someone crash and burn when it's a stranger with bad intent committing these things.
@@KneppaHthat’s what I picked up as well. He seemed genuinely surprised that he picked up on it, and also a little delighted with himself for noticing a difficult social cue. I’m not an Elon fan, but in that moment, I did a little internal cheer for him. Like, “Good job, buddy! You did it. Here’s a lollipop.”
@@TheBehavioralArts My cousin is an Autistic and this is very common their ability to handle deceitful behaviour is quite limited.
As someone from the UK, the main thought was 'who on earth is James Clayton?' and 'why didn't the BBC send a more prominent and professional interviewer?'
Same here. Never heard of him.
It's another way to sideline and diminish Elon. Also better disgrace this unknown ideologue than some influential interviewer, because E is an icon breaker.
@@dianaanthony2981 ah that’s an interesting take: ‘send in a disposable one!’
Thanks for your reply!
@@dianaanthony2981 Good connection!
I agree with @dianaanthony2981 the BBC intended to make Musk look insignificant and instead he ate that poor guy alive and made the BBC look inept. It made better television than Piers Morgan would have. Or did it?
I'm neurodivergent and I laughed so hard like so many others at the flabbergasted "You're lying " part because it's so familiar! The lies are so obvious that it actually shocks and stuns your system. It takes a moment to recover.
I think it's also the frustration of, if you don't give me specifics, I can't confirm or refute it, I can't fix it! It feels like someone expecting you to read their mind, which NT people seem to do quite a bit, and I think that adds to the emotion.
Yay, Deb
@@bubbles0216 I'd like to ask a question that's not about this video.
I have been feeling like I may have adhd for a little while now. I watched a video from a psychologist(?) Talking about the under diagnosis in women who are able to "mask" symptoms through most of life. They went over things that these women do to cope and I match every one of them. Now when I read people's comments about their experiences with adhd symptoms I'm the same way. Like all of these comments here scream me, am I imagining it? I've read a lot of your comments throughout the comment section and feel like you're writing things from my head.
Do you believe that women can not know they have adhd until later on in life?
@@tianamarie989 I'm a 70 yo woman and I'm thinking the same thing. I'd always attributed it to a head injury sustained in a near-fatal crash at age 24....
That whole interaction was so funny, I laughed my a** off
I love how Spidey at one point just stops interpreting gestures and just talks one minute about how stupid James „Aren‘t you rich?“-Question was. Spidey just rants and casually changes back to professional analysis😂😂😂 Love this guy❤
😂 🤗
Yeah, he should absolutely do that more. I understand you obviously want to be professional, but there imho being a bit more personal, genuine... i mean.. content is king. I think it would help the channel
@@TheBehavioralArts I think the reason Elon looked for his phone was because he got a message and it startled him then took the conversation to asking Twitter for a reason to respond to the message
I'm not a big fan of Elon Musk, but I agree with your analysis completely. Whether you like Elon Musk or not, this BBC interviewer is not only unprofessional, his intention is out to get him. It's never about Twitter. It's all animosity. That I'm 100% sure of.
Yep, he's a passive aggressive jerk.
All interviewers have no interest in information. They are looking to make a name for themselves, mostly at the expense of the person who granted them the courtesy of the interview.
@@garryharris3777 Right, there are certainly no professional and ethical interviewers, journalists or media companies out there. They are all out to get rich and powerful billionaires business man. I suppose they should just give up now.
@@HaoWooiLim - name ten
@@michaelmcgee335 most leftist are
This interviewer was incredibly disrespectful. Loved how Elon put him in his place.
I was going to say the same 😂
Yes, he's a leftist authoritarian.
Same!!!
same!
I’m autistic and as a child I strugled a lot with making friends and just understanding others and it became my passion.. I was always walking around at school just to listen to people speaking to each other it was always facinating to me, and since I saw your Chanel it help me a lot more to learn about all the non verbal stuff! Thank you ❤
I call that being a “Jane Goodall.”
That "You Lied" is so satisfyingly relatable. Lol. Like first of all, you lied, second of all I'm hurt because it feels like you think I'm stupid, 3rd of all, why are you wasting both of our time with unintelligent critiques? 😂I enjoyed this analysis.
It's funny this guy was trying to "get" Elon for a story and instead became the story. 😂🤣😂
its sad most of all how truth gets treated
he looked like a fool - ill-prepared, dishonest, trying to climb a ladder and never making even one rung....I question the ones who hired him for the job!!!
In watching the members of my family with ASD, I believe that "you just lied" comment is an example of the person suddenly understanding and blurting it out to identify it mostly for themselves. He's trying to identify what is happening, not necessarily making a point. It's fascinating to me to see people without guile maneuvering their understanding around someone who's practicing subterfuge.
Once again, I have to thank you for pointing out that you are analyzing behaviors, not people. That comment about showing up to a gun fight armed with a toothpick!!! 😆 Perfection!
yess! so much this! That was such an "inside talk, that's outside" moment xD
Haha could be, I've done that a few times but have since learned to stifle it cuz the other person tends to get furious, especially when it's a true observation. Usually it's something they were trying to hide or not admit. I remember one time someone who was said to be skilled at machines would not answer any of my questions in a straightforward way about why one of the machines was not working. The more I tried to pin the explanation down the more vague he'd get. Finally I realized he did not know what was wrong with the machine but didn't want to admit it and I blurted out. Bad plan LOL!
Totally agree. I think he relaxed after because he figured it out. I can totally relate. Liars make me extremely confused and uncomfortable until I see through the bs.
Yeah, Elon's eyebrows shoot up as he's saying it. He looks completely surprised and then realizes what's going on and blurts out "You lied." The telltale sign is that the "You lied" statement isn't even meant to be accusatory. He's just stating as a factual statement that he just figured out.
Nailed it! I am AuDHD and respond as Elon responds when incredulously realizing how illogical a conversation can go, let alone laying out all facts such as the other person being avoisive and outright lying and contradictory.
This was a wild convo to watch. Painful, really. Who the heck sits down with an intelligent man to interview them without having done research and presenting facts?! Lol. Totally crazy!
As a teacher, I love this channel and have learned so much that helps me to interact with my high school students. I’ve always asked my students to remove their book bags and place them on the floor. If they are constantly ready to leave the room, they are not engaged in class. I also now know when students show behaviors that I need to pay more attention to. TY😊❤
Love that tip! Teens use backpacks as blocking mechanisms a lot and you’re absolutely right. If it’s in them, they’re not settled or attentive! Great call
My son used his bookbag to regulate his body. He had sensory issues, and the weight of the bag helped him stay still. We've used this technique since he was a toddler.
@@alvarez75 my son was diagnosed Asperger’s 19 years ago, now autism, whatever!! Weighted blankets and book bags (on the back) help with propioceptic input and so it’s more to keep them grounded, focused and engaged.
On the other hand, allowing students with anxiety to have a “pacifier” (my daughter, also ASD) used her scarfs as a “block”; also a means for her to not be focused on her anxious thoughts but feel safe to engage.
Please see my comment below. It’s important not to have hard and fast rules for neurodivergent students. In actuality, the IEP is often NOT “individualized”.
@Rose Of Sharon thank you for sharing, Rose. My son is 24 now and uses a weighted blanket to sleep. My 12 year uses small toys to hold on to for his anxiety. These coping mechanisms don't always make sense to the general population, but they are lifesavers for people with certain disabilities.
As someone who is married to an Aspie, I can say that lying does not make much sense to him. Telling the truth is the logical thing to do and deviating from that only confuses him. I'm grateful that I can trust everything he says, even though some of the time it hurts to hear the truth. It's fun watching Elon have a conversation because you know he's being sincere, and even when he is keeping his privacy, he will state that fact.
Well put:)
@TiffanyRoseC please give examples of Elon lying. Also, the example given was for my husband. You can clearly see when Elon is uncomfortable when he doesn't want to answer something, and also, what hate does he spread? He has opinions, just like you and everyone else.
People often see those high on the autism spectrum as bad people, but there's a childlike honesty to them that I like. I prefer truth over empathy.
@@Tiffany-Rose yew, I would be very interested in knowing all of the lies & hate that Elon spreads. If you're going to make such bold claims like that, back it up! Someone else already asked you what he's lied about & you haven't answered. So let's hear it. His neiro-divergent brain doesn't really work well with lying. 🙄
@@BabySharkdoodoodoodoo most far left liberals don't believe ppl can have opinions different than those they hold without being "bad" or "hateful" people. They have completely redefined the meaning of Liberal!
Oof...this was so hard to watch. I have so much second-hand embarrassment for James. Elon handled it really well.
I came to the comments to find this. Same
Your analysis on this one is so sharp! I personally had no opinion one way or the other about Musk, but this interview illuminated blatant, attempts to manipulate while flipping the script in an attempt to influence an incongruent & inaccurate narrative. As an ordinary person, I don't have patience or "time" to engage with people like this interviewer. I give kudos to Musk. In conclusion, this may have actually been "time" well spent for Musk in an odd & unexpected way.
I agree 100%.
You are probably right:)
@@AL-jb1mh Although not so much in podcasts and to why they go a lot longer in time.
The questions are to learn about the person themselves.
Really great analysis, I thoroughly enjoyed this video.
My take on that cluster at the end is, Elon had just experienced that massive deception play from James and he was fully coming to terms with the fact that James was there as a kind of "hostile" presence, as you stated earlier that Elon missed the cues and assumed the interview was a friendly and relaxed one. It's almost like you can see his brain computing this as a highly stressful situation with someone who is playing the "attacker", while still trying to give a composed and honest answer to the best of his ability at the time.
It's not been a good few months for the BBC, here in Britain. A lot of bad plays and this interviewer only helps to further ruin the BBC's reputation.
That's just my take though :D
This is exactly what I was thinking!
This is the same I would hazard a guess at. If someone lied to my face and didn't want to address their blatant deception then I would consciously be asking myself "what exactly is this persons (journalists) agenda" while still trying to keep relatively relaxed and professional.
If this ever happens to you, just remember to stay confident and your in control of your own decisions.
What it looked like to me was that the interviewer thought he had easy pickings with Elon Musk, and he definitely came across as emotional. I always heard one of my teachers say, “ if you’re going to make an argument, you have to back it up.” And while his concern about hate speech in social media is legitimate, he presented it as a soap box to stand on and it rubbed me the wrong way.
As for Elon and the India commentary, I feel if you asked him if he was aware of what was happening and if his team had looked into it, maybe he would be able to answer? He comes across as an honest, ernest person. He didn’t seem, like you pointed out Spidey, that he was prepared for a verbal boxing match and he seemed happy to answer any questions. How sad that the interviewer made this a hostile interview and on top of that made himself look like an idiot.
Thank you once again Spidey for giving an objective analysis. I love your work more and more😊
I've worked with neurodivergent people for most of my adult life, so I was not surprised when Elon revealed his diagnosis to the public, as it had always been pretty evident to me from his earlier interviews (when he was still balding). This video is absolutely fascinating, because I'm one of those commenters that have asked how body language and behavioral analysis can be applied to ND individuals. Spidey REALLY listens to his community, which feels incredibly rare amongst larger content creators, and I sincerely appreciate that about this channel.
I second that! He's such a sensitive human, and he shows respect to everyone
And he thinks out of the box.
@@Mistyb118
He thinks outside several boxes simultaneously.
When he put his phone down that was a sign that the interview (and the interviewer!) had his full attention.
Dangerous!
What does balding have to do with anything?
@@MyaB1986 Elon used to be noticeably balding. The comment provides context for how long ago I recognized his neurodivergent tendencies. As in, back before he got hair plugs and became a household name (many years ago).
It’s worth remembering James Clayton is NOT an interviewer. He’s a reporter. Sadly for him, that was very evident throughout.
He didn't report much.
I agree
Why is a reporter doing an interviewer's job. What was the BBC thinking? Surely this is not the best they have
@@nadineventer9967 Yh right. Horribly Ill-equipped to handle this and was way out of his depth.
@@robyn3349 Agreed--even if he was only acting as a reporter, he wasn't fact gathering or exploring inconsistencies. He clearly had an agenda--his own or the BBCs or both. It used to be a central tenet of journalism to be objective. Now it's some sort of crusade to trap people into agreeing with what they've already decided is true.
I have a daughter with subtle and complex special needs. She had spectrum qualities. She always looked up instead of making eye contact. She has a non expressive face. After years of very good therapy she is pretty good at making good eye contact, so that therapists in an assessment said she could not possibly be on the spectrum. What reminded me about my daughter in Elon was a type of childlike openness. I find that so endearing.
Him laughing at himself also allows him to release his own tension from the stress of interaction. He makes them self deprecating because he is afraid that joking about someone else within earshot won't find it amusing because the way his brain works will definitely find something funny about someone else that they or possibly no one else will find funny. So he's learned that self deprecating jokes even if no one else finds it amusing are the safest bet. Many people who have interaction problems especially high functioning, learn very quickly all kinds of tricks to compensate because they don't want to inadvertently offend anyone.
I am not on the spectrum, yet I use self deprecating humor often. Especially as a manager, it makes my charges comfortable and makes me relatable. As a hard worker and serious guy, I demand the same. The shots at myself is a great balance or else my team would think I was a robot or alien lol
@@TheBlueprintsOrlando That is what I was thinking also. It helps to disarm preconceived assumptions that ppl will understandably have about ppl in positions of power or higher standing.
@@TheBlueprintsOrlandoalso helps them see that ur not an arrogant narcissist and that takes a lot of pressure off of someone who has a manager they’re not quite sure of yet or if they’ve dealt with a narcissistic manager in the past….I’ve had many and it’s traumatizing
I was laughing so hard throughout the whole "you lied" interaction, just because of how clearly Elon is talking, and how panicked and desperate James was getting to try and redirect the conversation, which makes him look even less skilled; it's like the psychological version of someone pretending to be good at martial arts trying to fight an actual black belt, and everyone seeing their untrained reflexes, tripping on themselves, etc. And this is recorded.
I saw the opposite - a somewhat skilful social manipulator confronting a bluntly honest atypical who doesn’t fall for/play into the same traps neurotypical people would..
Blackbelt vs steamroller?
@@Cranky_Crone Both bad analogies. Elon knew when the question was asked, the guy had not seen anything he claimed to have and was right.
@@carlovincetti Elon knowing that and Elon showing that to the audience are two separate things though. People above are talking about the latter.
I've beat a black belt Kung Fu guy, myself being completely untrained except for one evening of Aikido. Like me, I felt like Musk just reacted spontaneously. The interviewer is supposed to be trained in this, though he failed because he was on the offense, not knowing what he was dealing with. He didn't seem to expect a counter offense..
@@ysteinberg5084 fair take. The "this isn't an interview about CNN"
"OH, you thought it wasn't?" bit basicly confirms this.
I didn’t actually watch this interview, but heard and saw clips of Elon telling the guy he was lying. I’m wondering if some of Elon’s “clusters of deception,” assuming that came after the surprise attack that had happened when James got caught, was because he was still stuck on that situation in his head? As someone who also has Asperger’s (as it was called when diagnosed), if something riles me up like that part of the conversation did for Elon, it’s hard to move on because I’m still processing what just happened. I tend to over think things, and if confrontation happens it throws me for a loop because I can’t think fast; I’m not witty; I need time to think on what just happened. 🙂
Ooooo lovely theory and good job on catching it! 🤗
Yes this is wat happens with my son he's now 18
Takes him some time to get past things
However if its a subject he likes he is so kwick on the mark and can beat anyone down with information just like elon did here
Yes I was thinking along the same lines too. I have no diagnosis for anything, but I also need time to process things when it gets too emotional/confrontational.
@ Doxie girl, I’m the exact same way but I’ve never been diagnosed with ASD. You have me wondering now.
@@fabssss7868 I wasn’t actually diagnosed, but my mother had found some information on it and handed it to me and said it sounded a lot like me. I was in my 20s I think, when I found out. I saw a psychologist, but all he did was prescribed a prescription for anxiety that made me numb and I felt like a walking zombie. He didn’t say I wasn’t Asperger’s, but he did say I was… So now, I just know that I don’t see things or feel things or understand things similar to “normal” people, but who’s/what is normal nowadays?! 🙂 It help me not feel so “different” and help me to just embrace it! I think it’s nice to know, so look into it! Surely you can find information on it. 🙂
Many people are already making great points about their take on the interview , the individuals and your analysis… So I’m gonna focus on some thing that you’ve mentioned many times before, and that is the setting. They knew this interview was going to take place, they had time to prepare for it, supposedly, despite the fact that the interviewer looked a little unprepared, but they knew what they were doing when they set the stage so to speak for the interview. They deliberately chose the two most uncomfortable chairs in the room and had them simply facing each other with harsh lighting, and the camera angle was only from the side, but from a low level, so it was already set for an uncomfortable situation for someone who is uncomfortable in a one on one direct conversation. It also seems this was all done really in a way to disrespect Elon musk, and again to make him very uncomfortable… I say this, because they have comfortable furniture placed and seen in the background. There’s a table, there is a couch there is a chair with pillows and a rug, and there’s even a side table next to the couch. Everything looks nice and comfy and yet they chose again to seat him in a hardback chair facing the other with nothing in between (which for me with social anxiety would make me uncomfortable) and the chair is actually even a little too small for Elon musk. This is a man who is used to the good things in life, I’m not saying he never sat in a hardback chair, but I myself would be put off by that set up, particularly looking over and seeing they had the opportunity to put something more comfortable and it’s almost like they flaunted it like look, Yes, we could have made this a little bit more comfortable for you, but we are deliberately not going to do that for you. I believe (and correct me if I’m wrong) but unfortunately, because of his condition, he didn’t see the set up for what it was, which was a set up and so didn’t entertain the thought, like I would have, to simply have gotten up and moved my chair, or sat in another or even commented “hey can we get a table and maybe a different chair; rather he allowed them to dictate this because I don’t think he realized that the interviewer didn’t like him Which is very evident by his posture, his questions and his actions during the entire interview. I have seen interviews set this way but for movie interviews, the actor is in one of those canapy type chairs set higher than that of the interviewer, the lighting is softer and there is a photo of the movie poster etc and the camera moves. I am disappointed because although I don’t know much about either men I find it to be in poor taste for anyone to be treated this way particularly someone who already struggles with a condition. Shame on you BBC.
Especially when in most interviews you have at least three angles of camera shots. Two face and one side. Alternating when they speak.
Yes, it was carefully thought out. Their mistake was to arrogantly assume the interviewer would embarrass Musk.
Underestimating your enemy is a constant failure on the left, it comes from believing that only a fool could disagree with your world-view.
Agree with the furniture but is it reel or just a backdrop in a cheap room ? 😮
I absolutely agree with the reason of set-up choice! I still can't get over the fact, that the interviewer constantly checking his phone during the answers..yikes, it's so rude, and obvious he is not even care. And the side-checks...awful
@@timea5363 That stuck out the most to me of everything I witnessed. He had that look on his face like, "help me out here guys"
This was a great analysis. I am also on the spectrum (High Functioning Type 1, aka Aspergers) and a clinical psychologist in California. Your channel and Chase Hughes commentary and book ("The Six Minute X-Ray") have led to a huge A Ha! about my own experience and the experience of at least my biologically female ASD clients (and actually NT men in heterosexual relationships).
1. Research now shows that we have difficulty with eye contact (which has been misunderstood for years) because we are actually hyper-sensitive to facial expressions particularly around the eyes. Then add to this that NTs have VERY incongruent faces and you have a recipe for significantly increased anxiety and sympathetic arousal.
2. Incongruent faces and body language gets interpreted as "deception" and sets off our fight/flight/freeze response. We feel physical discomfort and even pain in our bodies. Yes...pain in our bodies! We expect people to be direct, honest, and concrete. When Elon starts arm blocking his body, I was also starting to feel pain in my body from James' behavior and increasing deception (I couldn't even watch Amber Heard! Like Kurt from Uncivil Law, I felt like something was dying inside me!). Our brains start working overtime trying to figure out what is going on while weary to sooth increasing sympathetic arousal.
3. Chase Hughes's four Laws of Human Behavior have helped me have more compassion for NT unconscious incongruence: 1) Everyone is suffering and insecure, 2) Everyone is Wearing a Mask, 3) Everyone is pretending not to wear a mask, and 4) Everyone is product of Childhood Suffering. This perspective has helped me reduce my social anxiety and distress. I realize now the deceptions are not necessarily conscious or intentional. Often it is just NT awkwardness, insecurity, or humor I don't understand.
4. What you describe as common ASD baseline: eye blocking, looking away, movement, stimming...might be baseline but still indicates arousal, distress, and discomfort. For many on the spectrum, our baseline around NTs is generally uncomfortable. The incongruence that arises from NT innate social behaviors, norms, and Laws 2 and 3 are the trigger. It is just too over-stimulating. It seems really hard to be neurotypical!
Your field of Behavioral Analysis (that seems to be oriented towards sales, interviewing, and interrogation) needs to cross pollinate with clinical psychology's work with ASD. I am trying to take what I learn from you and Chase to reduce the chronic anxiety and stress that I and my client's deal with every day. So thank you so much for this channel!
Wow this is insanely awesome! You know what your first point reminded me of. When I walk around Las Vegas, I have to stare down at my feet. The utter fakeness of the majority of people there is too much to handle. The incongruent smiles and happiness concealing misery is too much for me to handle. The way you explained that is shockingly accurate. But I’m on no way on the spectrum. Maybe those of you who are on the spectrum are even better at reading body language than any of us but the reason it gets confusing is the incongruency due to the masks we all wear. 😮
@@TheBehavioralArts I was going to make fitting shields out of plexiglass, so people could be seen during the pandemic like the one I made for myself and got a lot of compliments on it, but when I asked people if they would purchase one if available they said no they liked to have the face covered. They didnt mean about germs, either.
Not normally a fan of Elon but bravo to him 😊😊😊😊😊
Feel exactly the same
Elon has integrity
same
@Dia Pricea not really, he claims to be a free speech warrior, one example being the indian government cencorship on political opponents on twitter and claiming not to know that is either true and negligent, or untrue and unsuiting Elon's narrative (dishonest), look up other examples of cencorship since twitter was took over, the amount is ridiculous.
That being said, that is the kind of stuff the interviewer should have been prepared for, he was absolutely awful and made Elon look great because of it. He also was incredibly smug and disrespectful. He should take a page from Jon Stewart's interviewing style, being witty and likeable but with hard hitting questions, preparation and good listening in order to be able to respond
I kinda enjoy his antics. When he dissed Nikola Tesla (my hero) and praised Edison (who was a huge ahole) i was mad at him. But I can see good sides too.
I was also puzzled about why, in a room literally filled with comfortable sitting areas, they set up the interview in the smallest, hardest, most precarious-looking chairs, without even a table for the drink! It's almost like they wanted "someone" to feel off-balance and uncomfortable purposefully. In the end, the interviewer seemed the most uncomfortable, i don't suspect that was the plan lol. I do wonder if any of the confrontational aspects of the interview would have played out differently if they had been seated comfortably
I bet the aspergers helped him in this scenario: as someone who's always socially uncomfortable, choice of chairs isn't going to make it worse.
Right? I was like there is a table right there.
Totally, probably on purpose.
Also the large space with lots of stuff behind made it a camera nightmare.
I was gonna say…
From my understanding Elon asked for the interview and it was at Twitter headquarters so I’m going to assume that he probably arranged the chairs. He probably just thought this is good we are facing each other. It’s one of the first things I thought when watching the interview. That the seating is completely wrong for an interview and it is making both of them uncomfortable. On top of that the interviewer apparently only had I’ve heard like 20 minutes to prepare which is why he kept looking at his phone. If you look at his from his perspective imagine getting a phone call that you have to interview the 2nd richest man in 20 mins and you’re like out having a coffee or something. You have to get a taxi to Twitter writing the questions on your phone. You don’t even know if you look ok since your just in the clothes your rolled out of that morning basically. You are crapping yourself. You literally can’t listen to Elon’s answers because you are so overwhelmed. You keep looking over at your camera guy to check your doing ok. Elon then scares you with the comment about when did you ever see a bad Tweet. You have literally seen thousands of tweets in your life and your mind is a blank. You don’t even realise your holding a phone and could literally just pull one up there and then. You know this is going to go viral and you panic. I mean just put yourself there.
As a non-native English speaker, I must admit that you are the most pleasurable English-speaking RUclips creator to listen to. 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
As someone with late diagnosed ADHD, when I started watching this channel (and a couple others around the same time like behaviour panel and such), it surprised me how intuitive a lot of these things felt to me, until I understood that this is exactly how I’ve gotten by and masked my neurodivergence so well throughout my life is by being hyper aware of what everyone is feeling around me and trying to react accordingly.
I am super sensitive to others feelings, expressions, breathing, how they hold themselves and talk. Most of my life it has been a burden as it made me miserable. Until I was able to understand it better. Now depending on what feeling I get from others I navigate better around people. Still flawed but I get hurt less and can help more. I got into as many occupations as I could never mastering anything but grew a huge advantage from learning new concepts and structures.
Giving me a leg up on future new jobs Iv never done before and am more intuitive in general. If Elon can feel like I do and with many perceptions in mind(able to walk in another's shoes) he will dominate those he deals with.
Sensitive doesn't mean weakness.
I was diagnosed later too, ASD at 33, it always baffled me how people thought autistic people didn't feel, my experience of it was overwhelming emotions especially from other people, to the point I have to mask my reactions to it. It's exhausting trying to keep up with it isn't it
same
It's intuitive to everyone, I'm glad that you're not impaired in that way.
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Saaaame. I was also diagnosed with ADHD and CPTSD late at 29. And having people read more into my words than I mean when I'm being factual, but I think I'm also autistic on top of ADHD.
And the rejection sensitivity from noticing small shifts in behavior got me into so much turmoil as a kid and through adulthood. I got in trouble by teachers for crying in class. I was bullied for crying by peers. People pretended to be my friend so they could tell other people how weird I was and complain that I was dramatic. Luckily after elementary school it got easier because there were older, better-adjusted kids and I wasn't surrounded by tiny sociopaths that mimicked their cruel peers.
In my 30s I'm seeing a lot of adults that treat people the same way I was treated in elementary and it's rough, but I'm still glad I'm me.
I think the only thing Elon is “hiding” is how much he wants the interview to be over. His self soothing is to reconcile himself with his commitment to do this interview to begin with.
Agreed!
Yes!
Agree!
3 things:
1. Love your videos! I totally guessed "baseline" before you said it when answering how you do analyst's for neuro-divergent people! Plus, my son is Autistic, so I appreciate the positive inclusion!
2. To me, it seemed like the whole interview the interviewer was trying to trip up Elon, or catch him in a lie, or twist his words. He didn't actually care what answers Elon had, he wanted to embarass him.
3. "What did I just say?" Is what I ask my son and others when I know they weren't listening. Would have loved to see that happen in the interview!
1- thanks!
2- 100000% agreed, he often moved on in his head when he didn’t “get him”
3- haha love it
2. That's basically every mainstream interview these days, sadly. One of the many reasons people are losing trust in traditional media.
I had to pause the video just to comment how much I loved "turns it more into data". I'm autistic and that's exactly how my brain works! I have tried to explain what I mean many times but could never really find the right words. Explaining what I mean is something I struggle with A LOT, so I LOVE it when someone nails something like that; it's like when you have something at the tip of your tongue and someone figures it out for you and you feel both relieved and thankful. Yes! Thank you! is what I feel right now 😂❤
Hell yeah! Glad you connected with that smile 🤗
Spidey! I love this analysis! I found it very informative and entertaining, especially as a mother of 4, 2 of whom have ASD.
Funny little antidote about autism and literal speech: when my son was about 4 years old (he already had his ASD diagnosis), and up past bedtime, doing what kids do, and smirking while I'm trying to be serious and tell him that he had to go to bed and he sleep... I made the mistake of telling him to "wipe that smile off your face", and I KNEW before I'd even finished saying the words exactly what I'd just done because he just slapped his hand on his mouth and *literally* "wiped" the smirk away, and all I could do was laugh.
And before anyone jumps on me about this, I've learned so much since then, I am so much more careful with how I word things, and parent much more gently, and that sweet, smart, goofy little 4 years has now grown into a well spoken, polite, considerate, witty, and funny as hell 14 years old!
Wonderful parenting. Wouldnt it be nice to go into parenting knowing everything, then lose it all as time goes on.
I sure hope no one would jump on you! We all learn how to parent as we experience things with out child. Unfortunately, there's no handbook that comes out with each child bc we know they all have some differences & maybe some things that are similar. Sounds like you are a fantastic mother! My boy just turned 15 & we're dealing with all of the hormones flooding the body, affecting their emotions & sometimes actions & how they start to perceive themselves a bit differently & adding to that the navigation of high school & all of it's drama. I wish we could go back to him being a baby & start all over again...as much as I love interacting with my more mature son, I sure miss those baby years & lil boy years! All he needed in life was his mommy & daddy. 😢
The part when the interviewer seemed to relish in telling Elon people don’t like him made me so sad. Some people enjoy hurting others. 😢
Right! And now we all think Jamie Boy is a Twat!
Well I think the interviewer did a good job of putting himself in the same box now.
Me too - I really felt Elon being just genuinely hurt thinking people didn’t like him :-(
wow, that is sad. I didn't see that. Maybe people don't know him ? There are lots of sides to all people.
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That interviewer just seems objectively spiteful to me. Doesn't matter as much what others claim to personally feel, more so James's objectively-seen lack of compassion, such a horrid thing.
He totally gaslit me when he did the “what I said was there are a lot of organizations that say that that kind of information is on the rise. “ I was just like, how did I miss that? Was it in an edit?
It would be very intimidating to interview Elon with an intent to be confrontational because he will almost always be the smartest person in the room.
Or so he thinks!😅
@@ileanahernandez1709 what do you mean? I never took the man as a narcissist.
@@ileanahernandez1709 you don't have to like Musk to see that he is very capable in logical discussion
@@ileanahernandez1709 Who would you consider more intelligent? Yourself? The interviewer?
Elon is book-smart. Maybe socially lacking, but to argue that he isn't one of the most intelligent human beings at the moment is just hogwash.
Not just because he is smart but because he has Asperger’s he does not pick up on social cues. Pretty stupid of the interviewer, who had to have known Elon has Asperger’s, to expect him to be intimidated by subtleties, hints or innuendos-maybe the superpower of people on the spectrum.
Your instincts on Elon's getting flustered with the India question are spot on. He doesn't seem to ever get fazed by what most would consider an uncomfortable question. But he gets very uncomfortable when he doesn't know something. I'd even go as far as to say he has a fear of not knowing the answer to a question he is asked. As for the hands through his hair thing, he does this habitually so it's hard to say whether it says anything about his mental state. I've watched several very long interviews with him at SpaceX talking about his rockets and going 100% geek mode and obviously having fun and still constantly running his fingers through his hair the whole time.
As for the interviewer, he absolutely was there to make Elon look bad. He hates the guy because his politics tell him to hate the guy. He doesn't actually know why he should hate the guy and seems incapable of really "getting him" because he doesn't even understand Elon or anything about him. A very pitiful display by an obvious partisan hack, which is funny considering Elon typically exists outside of the political space. People just keep trying to shoehorn him into it.
Spidey I’m one of those with ASD/Asperger’s who watches your videos and it really does help. Granted in the day to day I forget about the behavior analysis but it’s helped me understand previous social encounters and that’s always useful the next time I find myself in a similar situation. I’m really glad you pointed out the literal thinking behind people with ASD. I always find myself confused in conversations because it feels like there’s two separate conversations happening within one (it’s usually because I understood something literally when it wasn’t supposed to be or I said something literally and the other person took it as figuratively).
Yes the BBC guy comes over as rude
This felt wild...he was describing things that I do a lot and he made it feel less...weird? I don't know how to describe it. Thank you for sharing, Sir.
Nuerodivergent here!! I watch to learn ways to know better who I can trust to be safe around or who may be out for themselves!!
I’m so glad you decided to do this behavior analysis, this interview was very interesting and especially considering Elon’s high functioning autistic spectrum. Moreover, That interviewer approach was to interrogate not interview and even that he failed to do, he had no idea what he was doing, he was also very pompous I’m confused to why he was chosen to interview an intellectual like Elon he didn’t seem qualified, he was aggressive, disrespectful, dismissive and distracted all traits that should’nt exist in a professional interviewer. Elon was quite patient and very well calculated in his responses regardless of his anxiety and discomfort with the attitude and topics. And I enjoyed how Elon called him out on having no knowledge and no examples prepared as evidence of his accusations.
Good correction
Musk an Intellectual 😅😂😂😂
@@GildingChaos Let me guess, your intellectual guy is Jordan Peterson.
@@Bl4ckheart hell no. He’s just as stupid and self righteous as musk. Billionaires like musk are mentally inept. They just are. Jordy pee pants is a flipping twit. So you’re a real clairvoyant. If you think Elon musk is an intellectual because he’s a thief and steals other peoples ideas I don’t know what to tell you, but that’s not what intellectual means.
you lied!
Spidey, you really knocked this one out of the park. I am neurodivergent myself, and I'm very impressed with how you navigated this particularly unique situation. Quite amazing just how bad this BBC interviewer is in this particular case. It's quite telling that a naturally socially awkward autistic took complete charge over an ill-prepared and cocky allistic. Well done sir!
PS, your Montreal accent is also candy to my ears as it takes me back to childhood.
Spidey, i want you to know, that you should not, ever consider that shorter videos are better than longer ones.
Just speaking for me personally, i find your longer videos to be the perfect off-time from all the general short content on this platform.
Everytime i watch a longer video of you, i get the feeling of “being pulled” into the metaverse of body language and psychological behavior.
I know there will be many people nowadays who passively ruined their attention-span with shorts or even TikToks.
Getting to the point..😂
I am just so greatful for any longer video that you do, because as a highly interested viewer regarding this subject, i just can’t get enough of it.
In my opinion you should do even longer videos if you feel like there is more to unravel.
And i can only speak for myself, but i highly believe there are more people, genuine people who would like to see even longer videos.
Keep up everything you do, best of praises from your german community ✌🏼
I much prefer a 4-hour podcast than one only an hour or so. Ofc that is podcasts.
@JONAS 7 Totally agree. Am ASD, and am blessed with an almost unlimited attention span. I hate “shorts” and find many YT videos don’t go into enough depth.
Spidey is great.
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I actually did notice he put his phone away, I have worked security last 8 years so I am highly aware of what people have in their hands especially phones and what they are doing with them like trying to film something they aren't supposed to etc etc..just a habit I picked up along with other things about human behavior that tips me off to when someone is acting out of character or suspicious.
That might be difficult to notice someone taking a video where they should not, so you have to be on your toes.
I've got another take on the hatefull speech part. I'm a asperger myself and I think Elon is getting enthusiastic when he realizes that the interviewer is full of shit and knows he's got the interviewer on the ropes. He's playing with him and challenging the interviewer. Easy stuff for Elon. For people with aspergers it's very easy to shoot holes in someones bullshit story. Especially for someone of the calibre of Musk. He has to deal with this kind of bullshit all day. We like facts. I admire his patience.
My excuses for my bad English, not my first language and not good at others.
Love this! I think we see some excitement when he tells the guy he’s lying because he’s almost proud of himself for recognizing that and calling it out. Thanks for the insight I really appreciate it and it was wonderfully communicated 😊
Thank you for your comment, I am a fan of your content and thorough analyses of all the interviews you've done. Keep up the good work! Greetings from the Netherlands.
the best part in the full interview starts at the 38:18 minute. Lots of in between the line digs from Musk at the interviewer. The interviewer even doesn't give an answer and goes straight to the next question.
Another thing is Elon does quite a bit of interviews and is quite familiar with all styles of interviews too.
About the buying Twitter part, I actually interpreted the interviewers reaction a bit differently - to me he was not expecting that Elon would give a straight confirmation to the question, or maybe he thought that Elon would beat around the bush a bit more trying to figure out how to answer without losing his face. But then he just got a straight "yup." so he got a bit confused as he was not prepared for this scenario, that's why he pauses a lot after Elon's responses searching for something to say, and looks to the production crew, as if saying "guys help me". And I think Elon kind of picks up on that and that's why he laughs again in the way you described, trying to lighten up the atmosphere showing his more human, approachable side.
That makes perfect sense. Like a deer in headlights. I very much believe it can be a mix of that and pleasantly proud of himself lol. But yeah I like it 😊
That was my immediate reaction as well. I'm believe the interviewer was thrown completely off guard by Elon's honest and blunt response. I believe the expectation here was for Elon to be dishonest in some aspect. It's like the interviewer at least expected Elon to add a little extra to his reasoning that would help gloss over his sole reasoning behind the Twitter buy was due to the financial ramifications of prior contractual agreements. Why the interviewer saw Elon's reasoning for the Twitter purchase as a negative decision is beyond me, but it's painfully apparent. I think Elon responded again with the yes, yes, and his chuckle, is probably because Elon missed that the interviewers question was confrontational in nature and coming from a negative perspective on what factors led to Elon's decision. I do know that this interviewer can't possibly have experience or education in communications or journalism. If an interviewer can't communicate from an objective perspective, then it's just an emotionally charged and ego driven conversation, not an interview 🤷🏽♀️🤦♀️
I’m so glad you did an episode on this because I watched this interview and was just mind blown. I knew it would be a wild ride when the interviewer didn’t mention what BBC stand for or laugh at that joke or know about the tweet to the CEO of Twitter . As for Elon putting his phone under his lap as a pacifier - I wonder if he did it almost has a cute for the interviewer to realize that Ellen was giving him his full attention, and it was not an argument, bc it’s clear the interviewer was less comfortable- sometimes, if I feel like someone’s tone or questions, sound divisive in nature, I’ll make a point to put my phone out of sight so they know like I am present in the moment. This whole thing was strange to watch. The body language is wild and I can’t imagine having the opportunity to interview, Elon musk, then saying Twitter is more hateful than admitting that you don’t go on it even has preparation for an interview with the most influential billionaire who also seems pretty cool.and brilliant. Twitter has been my favorite social media app for years for many reasons, including real-titime soon as it happens news i~ nation & worldwide. It is Also a creative space and v funny -every meme on Instagram was on Twitter a month ago - as a tweet . Not sure how bbc dude got this job, but I know BBC is government funded so maybe that helped. but honestly brutal and disrespectful to Elon , culture, viewers, Communication studies and rhetoric and most of all True journalismn
I would watch a 2 hour video of you analyzing that "hate speech" interaction! Lol! Just wow🙄 Poor Elon. He seemed to go into this interview very positive and open-minded. Its kind ofsad that he was basically attacked like that, and unprecedented, to boot! After that, I think Elon was so stressed because he realized what was really going on and he just doesnt want to be there anymore.
My takeaway from this video is that the BBC sent a “tech reporter” who doesn’t understand technical topics and doesn’t know how to conduct an interview to interview Elon - a person with deep technical knowledge and extensive experience being scrutinized in the public eye.
It shows either mind numbing incompetence or an utter lack of respect. Possibly both.
As someone on the spectrum, I saw a lot of Parallel behaviors that I would do. Like saying "you just lied" is more of something I'd be saying to myself outloud to process, that really just happened, because I thought we were having an honest and genuine conversation but here you were, trying to get something dirty on me. I've found that even when I recognize that as someone's intent, holding to myself confidently completely destroys them and makes them look the fool they are, which is what happened.
I think you can see the subtle shift in Elon, from "this is just a friendly interview" to "wait, he just lied, something else is going on" to "oh, he's actively trying to pull something" to "settling back into his spot, just slightly more guarded as he's now aware of what's going on". People don't like when you call them on their behavior, especially as a LOT of people don't self reflect nearly as much as many autistic people do. I believe more autistic people are more okay with being called out on something because of more self reflection but also because I think it processes differently.
I enjoy watching your videos to help me better understand and communicate with people.
Agree. People on the spectrum have this "realization" honesty that is VERY distinct. Most people would have danced around this realization or attack the person... Elon didn't do either. He wrnt straight to the matter, and didn't name-call. Humiliated. Embarrassed the guy with some unrelated topic or comparison. He called him out directly and succinctly... with just 2 words: You lied.
Elon has done a lot of interviews and as soon as he has seen the chair set up with no table he had to know this was going to an interrogation.
I truly love this. The failure of the interviewer to just admit that he was wrong is so amazing. It makes me think of when I first started doing psychological interviewing a long time ago and I approached an interview with a lot of confidence that the person was in the wrong. And halfway through the interview, I started fumbling and not being able to back up my suspicions. It would have been an amazing interview if he (the interviewer) simply admitted that he was “out to get him,” and admit that Elon was being forthright. That is exactly what I did, I literally apologized for entering the interview in a non-bias manner and admitted to that being unprofessional. After that the interview went amazingly and I probably got more information than anyone expected.
back then I stood up. I basically said you know what I admit. I came into this room enter this interview with a suspicion that you were guilty of this and truly you’re starting to persuade me otherwise.
Smart move and I have always found no matter what the issue is I have always been able to admit fault. Maybe not right away, but not having the fear to do so.
I gain respect of those to the admission and keep my integrity as someone honest.
I'm a autistic + ADHD 33 yr old woman and I have learned sooo much from your videos in body language, it's really helpful! So thank you for making these analysis 🙏😊
That’s so awesome! Glad you’re enjoying the videos 🤗
It's not uncommon for us ND folk to do things like forget our phone is under our leg.
In my own case I often forget I'm hungry and my stomach keeps growling on and off for hours until I manage to get around to eating. I've also had a panic thinking I'd lost my headphones, turned to retrace my steps and went two paces before realising I could hear music and my headphones were in fact on my head 🤣
Hahahaha i love this. It makes so much sense 🤗
I agree -- there's a lot to be said about being on the spectrum (as I am), and the way that overstimulation or understimulation deals with perception overall. I will 'lose' my phone when it's still in my hand; whenever I move from my apartment to the car, car to the office, office to the car, car to the apartment, I'm always taking stock of my possessions: counting, recounting, making sure I have everything -- laptop, earphones, ink pen, notebook, etc. -- because it's so easy to lose track of things that are already on your person. I think the constant attention that is given to being aware of your surroundings, making sure your "public face" is on, making sure you're walking normally, talking normally, etc., takes away from that unconscious ability to keep track of personal belongings.
And to Maxine's point, this also pertains to self-care: you forget your tired, you forget your hungry, you forget your parched, until it's too late.
I'm the same with forgetting to drink 😅
Yes, our overactive brain acitivity make it so I'd forget my head if it wasn't attached. So much always going on!! 😂
Glad to know It's not just me:)
I like the amount of detail you go into about Elon's behaviour with respect to his autism. I have autism, and I like to watch behavioural analysis mainly because of the 'double empathy' problem. I have noticed that a lot of other autistic people agree about the double empathy problem. Autistics can intuitively read other autistics body language whilst reading NT is harder, and vice versa, meaning that both NT and ND individuals overlay their reading of a person and you end up with crossed or stressed interactions. This was further proven with separate studies I have read that analysed the likeability of Autistics vs Neurotypical people during basic conversation. The NT assessors did not know which were NT or ND, but all assessors marked the Autistic people as less likeable when they had access to audio/visual recording of the interactions. When they just had access to a script of the conversation, they could not discern any difference in the perceived likeability of the ND or NT person, proving the difference is body language and tone, as well as appearance. It is well documented that Autistic people have the same way of discerning likeability, and pick out other Autistics as more likeable. I think Elon probably has this issue as he is mostly interviewed by NT people.
What is NT and ND?
Yep to all of this.
Please can you give me the reference for this research? I need it!
@@CopperValor neurotypical and neurodivergent
Same request as above! Sources please? I know posting links are tricky but I would love to read that study
These breakdowns are so interesting and helpful. I know that a lot of people have family members who are on the spectrum, or have ASD themselves, so there is already a lot of understanding about typical behaviours and being able to identify what can be quite a contrasting baseline when compared to people who are not so neuro-divergent. Personally, I love learning more about human behaviour through your videos, as it helps me to build more of an awareness that I don't inherently have. I had to learn quite a few things in my adult life about what people really meant (interpreting the unsaid). :)
Without sharing my personal opinions about Musk, being autistic, this interview is identical to how I behave and respond, at times word for word in similar situations; Asking for evidence against accusations, experiencing discomfort over not having information, etc.
Your insights, for me, are flawlessly accurate. It was uncomfortable for me to watch but greatly informative and I appreciate it immensely.
Your serious note that his dog may be the CEO is the funniest thing I think I've seen on your channel. And I think (tell me if I didn't read you correctly) it's because you felt a bit embarrassed having to discuss something so absurd in one of your videos? 😂
You 💯 read that correctly lol. Like I don’t even know what I’m saying! I have no capacity to gauge how seriously that statement should be taken looolllll
WOW I know Musk isn't the most universally well received human, but this reporter is SO DISRESPECTFUL, what a joke!
Such a great analysis of a very uncomfortable interview situation! Somehow this reminds me of another interview I've seen with uncomfortable situation (Cathy Newman and Jordan Peterson), would be interested in seeing your take on that! It's old but quite famous. I've seen many people analyze it form a debate perspective, but not from a body language perspective. Would make a very interesting video!
I'll have to watch that interview. Jordan has mentioned that interview in his other interviews, but I didnt quite catch what he meant. Jordan for all that religion does to cloud his views has an amazing lens to look through, we all can get a better perspective on things in life.
@@carlovincetti you'll have fun watching that interview! I'd like to know if you notice odd body language there.
And I agree, even one doesn't' like everything JBP says, there is still a lot of value to be found in his perspectives.
@@yenge5434 I did watch it and of course paid attention more to what was being said, then it was over in a nano, or about ten minutes. Maybe there was a longer version.
JP had practically no body language, and Cathy was all over the place. The pitch, speed and level only changed with him in voice.
@@carlovincetti it's been a while since i watched but I can imagine what you're saying. You probably saw the highlights. The full interview is about 30 minutes long
I'm not a professional interviewer but I do deal with the public on a daily basis. The problem I have with the scene where Musk asks for an example of hate speech is that when talking to someone about a topic it's important for preparation that you be knowledgeable about the topic and be prepared. He's constantly looking at his phone. The one time he should have information on his phone he's shown to have done absolutely no preparation. He should be able to answer that question no problem and be able to bring it right back around to the topic at hand. That's his job.
I immediately thought, what an odd and confrontational seating they have in this interview. It's head to head and uncomfortably close in chairs just floating in space- literally the three worst things you can do to facilitate a conversation because so much mental energy is going into pushing aside the awkwardness! Something like this changes the whole dynamic between people.
I've seen a change of how people are seated (ie, around a table or in an open circle) break apart groups that were flowing smoothly for years together. I am glad you brought it up, Spidey, and really, did no one on this project notice what a bad idea these seating choices were for an interview?!
The chairs are child size. Poor BBC, stupid.
It was aggressively confrontational.
BBC's intention clearly has been to come super-aggressive on Elon, the setting of the chairs is definitely what I would do if I plan this to be a nice and positive conversation, not a gang-up on someone (this whole team/crew were trying it on their interviewee, as this interviewer is clearly just a muppet, that's why he was holding onto his li'l phone for his life).
I think it was intentional. Youd be surprised how much broadcasted things are psychological(like art). They wanted to make him uncomfortable because it might make him say something unintended when the conversation gets uncomfortable. I think it backfired because i think it worked on their own interviewer instead.
@@hithere8140 Yes, I felt sorry for him - abandoned with only a toothpick in hand!
I don't care for Elon but I get what he did at last question. I feel he was still processing the argument from the previous question and being rudely dismissed by the interviewer. I think he was trying to gain his composure & keep the interview professional. This interviewer was so unprofessional and rude. It was seriously difficult to watch.
You can state an opinion without saying “I don’t care for Elon Musk”. Since you don’t know him, a profession of hatred is not a good look.
@@juliahello6673 Agreed, unless you are ready to say why it is you dont care for him and so far nobody here who is "not a fan" has said anything to why:)
Although, I wouldnt call it hatred.
@@carlovincetti I love your point how no one has explained why they dislike or hate Musk so much! Very true & a bit disturbing honestly. But I do believe that some ppl go so far as to hate him. There are so many extremists out there these days & mostly they don't give a reason as to why. Honestly, I believe the majority of haters are based on politics & how Elon left the Democratic party bc of the extremists that are taking over the party. And they don't like that he stands up for principles they don't agree with anymore, like freedom of speech, the entire reason Elon wanted to buy Twitter & preserve that right.
@@erinkitner7978 Not the entire reason but a big one for that purchase.
@@erinkitner7978 Well said.
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Elon was still frustrated and in shock when he was asked about the India situation. I can't imagine being in a TV interview, the interviewer openly lying about something so serious, and then normally continuing with the conversation like nothing happened. I have to give credit to Elon for staying calm and composed.
I have Aspergers, and this is the first time that I've seen someone explain body language on someone like me. I've been watching your channel for a while now and through your videos learned a lot about people's reactions in a social setting, wich has helped me in my day to day life. I really wish you could put a list togethr of all teh books you mentioned about body language so I can read up on everythign I miss and get to know the world around me better. And of course I also wish you coudl teach us more about body language of "non normal" people.
I can’t get over this interview 😂😂😂😂😂
45:20 could the exfra fluttering of words be related to the stress of the conversation he just had with the interviewer and James moving along? When I'm in a confrontation and winning, I don't like the sudden switch to something else, because it feels like the apology or recognition of been wrong is still pending from that previous conversation. Switching to the new topic and organizing new thoughts takes me more time than in other scenarios. And adds stress to me because I don't want to show the emotions I'm feeling at that moment of the desire to stay in the previous topic.
100% i love this theory
I felt the exact same about this.
I think there is something to be said about the autism Spectrum and truth as well. Personally I'm on the low end of the spectrum and when I'm having a conversation with someone, if it's about honesty and I catch the other person clearly lying, it's like a personal attack. How Elon went on the offensive and even just flat called it out is very much how I handle those situations. Even how you can tell it frustrates him to no end, I can't hide that either. It's like you feel betrayed, like your being honest and vulnerable, that's hard as it is, and the you find out the other person has been playing you. Not sure if I articulated this well, but that's how it felt to me.
Also, after that was the India question, and he stumbled to me that's leftover from the lying. If it was me I would be spiraling because now I'm seeing this person as an adversary and trying to rethink everything I'm saying. He went from thinking he was having a conversation on the level with another person, and now I see clearly this person has a game going on. It would have stressed me to the moon.
Same here, I try to be open and friendly. It's very hard to learn that the other person is taking advantage of our honesty to play us. I am strightforward, I hate long speeches with no sense to hide something or to deviate the conversation.
I hate lies, I don't know how to lie, and if I try to lie I make it obvious I am lying.
Evertime I feel someone dishonest with me I break the relationship because I don't like wasting my time and it's uncomfortable, that's why I am mostly alone.
I tend to take everything literally, and it frustrates me when others misundstand me because they think I was insinuating something between the lines. I can't read between lines and I am illeterate to write between lines because I am straightforward !
Humanity is weird !
I learned a ton from this video and your insights. As I often do, I reflect on my own displays in social situations. I'm going to take this understanding and apply it to when I head over to this hangout spot called The Rayback Collective; but now I can read OTHER people a little better.
I grew up in multiple homes and families, moving from school to school, without brothers or sisters. I believe this helped retard the development of my mirror neurons, which slowed my ability to pick up efficiently and effectively on social cues and my own ability to transmit my own intentions. So, I've spent a lot of time with social anxiety, and have read books and watched videos and watched people while remaining in the background and purposely engaged in very awkward situations to try and learn and get used to how to socially calibrate my actions and responses.
There's another part of my nature that doesn't much care; and so I switch back and forth between those two extremes.
Your videos are helping me to see my blind spots; and I really appreciate that.
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He put his phone under his leg. You can see how he raises his leg a bit then his hand comes back without the phone. It is rude that they didn't give him a table or something to set the phone on. I also noticed that there was a drink on the floor next to his chair. Either they were very unprepared for the interview or (things are done on purpose) they wanted him to be uncomfortable and off balance. Thankfully he was able to maintain his balance for the interview.
Yeah, the setup was ridiculous. They should be ashamed. Fuck C
BBC for disrespecting their guests. Even worse to disrespect Elon. I think Elon is a beautiful person. Seems very genuine.
I think the latter half of your comment is correct. It wasn't an accident. They wanted him to be uncomfortable.
They can't be that stupid, being it's the BBC and all that comfortable seating in the distance.
As a neurodiverse person, we say what we think when we think it. We also close one sensory pathway to allow access to another (closing eyes to hear or maintain a thought trail).
We also 'stim' almost constantly.
Thank you for acknowledging us x
One thing I’ve realized talking with aggressive individuals is that they will attempt to make their own ideas prominent and trip you up and if they do they will jump on it as you lying and being unreliable. You give a lot of great insight into the dynamics of body language
Ooh this is juicy....SO happy you've analysed this interview!
I actually did notice when he put his phone away, but I also was kind of watching for it since you’d said he would. Funny though because I put my phone under my leg like that a lot, especially in social settings and I can’t tell you how often I end up looking for it later.
I do that too
💯% love how you accurately placed it as gathering data, because that's exactly what it is. Not only being Nurodivergent but also having RSD (rejection sensitive dysphoria) it's crucial to survival to have an expanding understanding of the data to help us analyze and navigate the ever changing landscape.
Nothing is more exhausting then being around people and they're extremely dangerous, so as a defensive mechanism it's crucial to have access to this data and accurately predict in advance response and typical reaction.
As someone who's 1) an introvert, 2) ADHD and 3) used to struggle big time with social anxiety, I joke at my own expense ALL THE TIME. And when you described the Pratfall effect, I realized that many neurodivergent people I know do that. Then I dove into why I started doing it, and it was to avoid embarrassment. If I 'embarrass' and laugh at myself, then the other person has no ammunition, and there's a lower chance that person will be disappointed in you when you do mess up.
If someone's truly disappointed in me, then I fall apart. In this way, you lower their expectations of you and the expectations you have of yourself.
Also, it's like an 'icebreaker' for me. When I'm really nervous about talking on a stage/doing a presentation at a meeting (especially if it's a topic I don't know a lot about), I start off with a joke to relax myself and my audience.
I think this last one might also be why he does it. If I didn't know that he was neurodivergent, then it wouldn't have stood out to me the way that it did.
Very interesting analysis and learned A LOT. Thanks for sharing and keep it up!!
I'm a retired Behavior Analyst in the world of autism. Love your work but especially fascinated in your analysis on this one. I think you did a great job! Of course, the BBC reporter made it a lot easier for you, lol.
Behaviour analyst in the world of autism? There are so many different levels and differences in the "world of autism"
@Nicola Maxwell hence she is in the "world" of autism..
Spidey, this analysis was pure gold.
I'm an Aspie and so interesting to see so many of my traits being described.
Have never heard of James Clayton before this interview came out, so can't give you the low down on him (and I'm in the UK - so you can see what I think of the BBC!).
As for Elon's stress around the India question, my thoughts are that he absolutely knows the answer. The challenge with us Aspies is that we are not remotely convincing when we lie. We're great when we are prepared in advance and know all the answers up front, but not so good when dodging something on the spot. That's what I think he was struggling with. My humble opinion, of course.
I’m so glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the Input in the India question. I agree that it wasn’t deceptive but love your perspective 😊
@@TheBehavioralArts It's just so refreshing that you've taken the time to explore neuro-divergent behaviour and reactions to this extent, and taken them all into account with his response. Never realised I had so much in common with one of the richest men in the world! 😂 Seriously, though, Spidey, that's so respectful and a real gift. Thank you ☺🙏💕 Big love to Venom and Michelangelo too 🐍🐢 Hope you're all doing well.
@@NothingByHalves Me either, and we have the same bday.
@@NothingByHalves I thank you for your input & revealing your SUPERPOWER, which is the inability to lie very well! I have the same problem but I'm not sure what causes mine. I have way too many tells to even try to get away with a lie, even when asked something personal that's nobody's business. I can't seem to tell them it's none of their business bc I think then they'll think I'm covering something up, instead of telling them the truth. Anyway,I truly think in this situation, Elon hadn't & couldn't move on from "the lie" the interviewer told & the changing of his story, so his mind was still stuck on that when he was being forced to move onto something else. Just my humble perspective.
@@erinkitner7978 Very possible that you're right on the Elon front.
As for not being able to tell someone it's not their business, I think there's a solution to that - and one that I would need to practice and get in the habit of. The solution is to smile and ask questions to spin it around, like "oh, curious question - can I ask why you want to know?" or "I'm not sure I've worked that one out myself yet - you go first!" (or whatever - you get the gist). The trick is to make it light. I overshare ALL THE TIME 😂😂😂
Thanks for the analysis, really appreciate your videos. I don’t know if you know, but I saw a sort of pre interview talk the bbc news journalists had with Clayton (who I’d never heard of, despite being from the uk), where they talked about this being a last minute interview. Apparently Clayton sent a message to Elon requesting an interview, and was surprised when he replied with something like “how about this evening?”. So some of Clayton’s lack of preparation may have stemmed from the short time frame that he’d had to prepare. Of course, the problem there is that it’s a bad idea to propose an interview without being somewhat prepared before you even ask!
You are probably spot on with that, but what led them to choose the interviewer they did.
Only one available at short notice?
I have zero interest in the actual interview but wow! Your interpretations are so on point and informative and I find it so useful. Thank you!
So glad you did this one! Was wishing you would! LOVED hearing about people on the spectrum! Also, from what I’ve learned as well, neurodivergent people, in addition to thinking logically, also have a tendency to be the ‘justice police’
Which I think comes from such a wonderful place, and is why he called out his obvious lie. Thank you for bringing note to how clearly the interviewer was absolutely lying there.
I love Musks giggle after the BBC joke in the beginning 😂😂😂
Imagine now he's proven that we all didn't know what BBC stood for really. There is no "U" there for example, to stand for "unprofessional", neither an "A" for "aggressive" or "L" for "liar".
His laugh is child-like and authentic...its awesome ❤
That's his baseline, you'll see it everywhere 😊❤
@@drivesmartitsanart I'm not sure what you mean here, can you clarify?
@@drivesmartitsanart no wait I think I got it 🙈
But Musk was trying to make a dirty joke, I think... wasn't he?
@Spidey You are absolutely right about stress regarding not knowing the answer to that question. It is likely for mixed reasons but he feels like he has inadequate info on something he feels he's responsible for or to know about.
As a military member you see this often enough when people need to answer up and down for things in the chain of command. Similarly it's often a mix of reasons but the bigger stressor is definitely not knowing something you should know about.
Great analysis Spidey! You are very perceptive and accurate. I'm impressed!
My favorite part was the fast forwarding part showing the interviewer touching his body so much. As soon as I saw this disaster of an interview, I could hardly wait for your analysis!! You never disappoint! 😊❤️
😂 glad you enjoyed it 🤗
That part made me feel itchy all over 😅
@@RangeGleasry Me too a lil:)
I’m so appreciative that you emphasized baseline. Everyone has a baseline whether neurodivergent or neurotypical which can also vary with culture. I’ve sometimes had to translate my significant other’s behavior to my family because of this. I’ve sent them your video with the time stamp 😊
I'm a little late to the party but wanted to add another theory to the last bit. Perhaps he read an email but didn't remember exactly or had some knowledge about the incident from a meeting, but a lawyer/advisor told him to say that he doesn't know?
By the way, great video! I'm a first-time viewer and have just subscribed.
I just subscribed! How have I missed out on this most interesting subject! I’m hooked! Great channel!!!
I've seen this video a dozen times or so, it never gets old.
I’d love to watch a 2-hour vid of you grilling the reporter’s performance in this interview hahaha. Great analysis as always!
Great analysis as always! This one was especially juicy because of the neurodivergence factor AND the interviewers ‘I’m gonna get you’ tell tale signs - which failed. 😆. I rather appreciated your points about what I call ‘the bully finger’ where the interviewer is seemingly scolding musk. I have a theory about people who use the bully finger which I’ll try and find your email and email it to you to see what you think.
As for your last question - I think there were a few things going on. I agree that Musk is experiencing heightened discomfort re: a lack of having the answer. However I will add that this is not the reason for the greater part of his discomfort. As a neurodiverse person I tend to believe that people with neurodivergence are actually more comfortable with not knowing and saying we don’t know than we are with having to move on or being forced to move on from an area where we want to place focus because we now we are right. To that end (and of course depending upon editing factors) I think Musk is uncomfortable because the interview who just lied and got out of his accountability for lying is now trying to press him about something which is has already answered to honestly by simply stating “I don’t know.” Along with being literal, neurodiverse people seek fairness in interaction. Our minds and bodies need to know that there is a sense of fairness/social-emotional justice in our interactions or we can become stuck (for lack of a better word) or confused/stressed as per “wait what - why do you now get to press me on something for which I’ve said plainly I don’t know but when you blatantly lied to me you say “let’s move on.”
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💯 agree and was about to comment before you went into your explanation on why Elon was stressed.
As a person who
1) values and stresses honesty and
2) has an identity centered around "having all the answers"
for Elon to not know the answer and not be able to lie put him in an extremely stressful situation.
He was forced to break one of those two tenements of self. Ultimately, he took the high road and admitted that he didn't know... but i can guarantee you the first thing he did when they were done was research the situation so he is never faced with that dilemma (regarding that specific situation) ever again.
I really relate to Elon on this one, having the same social issues as a high-functioning adult.
Regarding that "fluff" thing at the end of the video, I would be really stressed out being asked about something I don't know OR something I don't fully understand. Like, if there's a lot of ins and outs about a situation that I can't wrap my head around, or that I didn't study beforehand, I'd be uncomfortable talking about it and somehow "lying" if I'd still have to give an opinion that isn't well thought out.
I'm easily besieged by a lot of thoughts when something falls out of my control in a conversation since I'm trying to anticipate absolutely everything, and I sometimes even forget what I was talking about. So I'm rambling, or unable to form a comprehensible sentence before regaining control over my train of thoughts. This is what I see in Elon at this moment, imo, even if I don't know what's going on with this situation, since I don't use Twitter and can't care less about what happened with it/on it.
On the other hand, I might also see someone who is stressed by the fact that he has to conceal something and go out of his usual honest and straight-forward way to do so. Still, I'd trust my first impression rather than this, whether or not he's Elon Musk or the guy next door.
I love this and agree that he wasn’t hiding anything at the end. Do you think it’s possible he had leftover stress from the whole “you lied” confrontation, which couldn’t have been way for him?
I'm glad you got to see this comment, thanks for the shoutout to all ND/on the spectrum people out there by the way! I'm learning quite a few things about how NTs behave in your videos, it's as helpful as it is entertaining.
To answer this, I do think so. I know I would have been quite anxious already, if not plenty pissed at the guy trying to trick me into saying something controversial, since it really sounds like a trick question when politics is involved. At first, I didn't fully understand the question when I wrote this comment, since English isn't my native language (and I struggle to understand British English on top of that) and I didn't have the captions on. But the fact is that Elon stated that this journalist is a liar, or at least flat out lied to his face : I would've already lost a bit of focus just thinking about what lie he's gonna bring to the table next, or what trap he's gonna try to push me in.
To be a bit more specific, my behavior is quite erratic when it comes to dealing with someone who's dishonest with me, who I know isn't truthful. I'll shutdown almost entirely and will get very defensive, most of the time. But in a situation where there are cameras, people, audience or viewers even, and all eyes are on me (now or in the near future), I'd have to deal with it so that I don't do or say something I'd regret. The pressure comes mostly from what I perceive on the outside of the situation, in this case, I'd feel forced to stay and answer as diplomatically as possible even though my head's going a hundred miles an hour about how I could flee this interview, or backfire, or if this answer would be better than this reaction, and so on. It's painful to watch actually!
When Elon is putting his hands on his knees, I kinda feel this shutdown and pressure. His arms are a bit tense, or at least out straight and not just resting on his knees. His shoulders go up a little like an armadillo in danger.
@@Yiajmhat I have seen the interview before I saw this post and didnt pay much attention to any of the body language, except for the interviewer looking to his right so much when Elon was talking then looking at his phone.
@@carlovincetti The interviewer makes me really nervous, I didn't focus that much on what he did during the interview. When he looked at his phone only seconds after one of his first questions, like he was dismissing the whole answer, he already looked rude to me. I only noticed he looked bored as hell, which isn't very appealing.
@@Yiajmhat He seemed a lot like he was being coached by others, and it would make sense if they use someone not known for interviewing important people.
39:17 closed fist over the heart, besides defensiveness, does this also signal truth and honor of what he is saying? That Elon is feeling very confident about this topic?
This was so good Spidey, thank you!!
It’s definitely possible. Our hand sometimes go there with statements like “.I swear” or “cross my heart” thanks glad you enjoyed it 😊
Can we please have that two-hour video? I'm intrigued.
Why am I obsessed with the way you say, “Clay-ton”? ❤❤
Thank you much appreciated. The BBC edited this interview to make it look like Musk was the bad guy. The reporters have a story before they interview people and report on the News. The News has to fit the news editors narratives. Sadly the BBC is not as impartial as it once was you are more balanced/fair minded than they are. I am from the UK and Autistic Im glad you picked up on traits that make analysis of those on the spectrum different Ive always studied how "normal" people act so I could replicate or mask it's very hard to sustain so you need exits. I think Musk with the water bottle and phone was his coping mechanism. Well picked up
Musk had a glass with ice and what looked like coke in it.
The way I yelled BASELINE! before you said it 😂
As someone with severe anxiety I totally couldn't understand why ppl had trouble believing me. But my baseline is oversharing.
Baseline is essential. Thank you for drilling it into us 🙏🏽
Same! Oversharing & sometimes rambling, like my mouth won't stop or shut. 🤦♀️ I don't understand why I do this & I'm always doing what that emoji is above, after the exchange has ended. Oh I can text that way too, a novel of words, & then I'm like omgl, what did I just say & do? And my family is always embarrassed. Ugh. And I'm entirely too honest & forthcoming with info. Why? How do I stop this? Lol, at 51 yo, I should have figured this out by now!
@erinkitner7978 your parents likely suppressed your voice or a partner. I see it all the time. And same for myself. Had a narcissistic parent so I adjusted
@TheKarmicDF that's pretty good. My mom was a bit overbearing, extremely demanding of perfection & always right. I only was apologized to once in my life & that's for not truly protecting me from a child predator after I told her about it. I ended up having to protect myself, but after too much grooming & an attempt at something more. Thank God I ran away. But as I got into my teen years, I always had a voice as much as it was not appreciated, lol. We had a very tumultuous relationship until I was older & my dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer. I made a promise to just go along to get along & our relationship did eventually start to change. However, I never had that fulfillment of my mom being my best friend where we shared things as we were older & more mature women. Unfortunately, I lost her to cancer as well & that will never happen now. But there was trauma in the divorce with my biological dad (when i was little) & my mom & I was too afraid to tell him or the child psychologist he took me to the truth. It bothered me so badly, that I told the child psychologist that my mom took me to that I had lied to the other one & that I needed to go back & tell the truth. I was insistent & probably a bit hysterical about it when he said it wasn't a good idea. I had forgotten some of these little tidbits until my mom passed & I found the file she kept that had everything about child custody dispute. She ultimately won bc he kidnapped me & she tracked me down & took me back. It all sounds crazy to say it or write it. Needless to say, it made me very outspoken & have the need to stick up for others & what I see as the right thing to do. That's not always appreciated either, lol. Like a peer stated she didn't believe a boy in my son's school was molested & the teacher was fired after an investigation & has been arrested & has a $2.2 mil bond. I was so triggered that she could deny someone's trauma that they had evidence of (he shared it with my son) & she did so simply bc she didn't like the kid. Oh boy, too much for me to swallow, so I had to speak up for him.
I'm on the spectrum and am always shocked to my core when someone, particularly an adult, and particularly again in any professional or public forum, lies. It will leave me shaken up for a long time after. 😅 I will derail all conversational or procedural flow to point out "*gasp* you LIED" like a small child. I can't be in courtrooms, because seeing that happen in front of a JUDGE, will leave me stressed for the rest of the day, and yes, after that stress, it will calm down and spike again as it slowly drains away.
I discovered last year I am autistic at 44 years old. I hate it so much when I ask a question and I get an answer for another question to deviate the discussion. I become obsessed by repeating and reformulating my question in case they didn't understand me, but they pretend that it's me who is rude or stupid because I keep repeating the same question. I dislike dishonesty and lies.
Sometimes I loose concentration so I miss the information so I ask to repeat what they said, and they dislike it.
And yes, we have hard time getting clues, we tend to take things litterally.
When I talk I tend to touch my face, I have non conventional face expressions that I was aware lately and I understood that that's why people tend to not believe me. It's like if I am lying for them, but it's my condition, it's my natural behaviour and social anxiety doesn't help.
That's why I have hard time to get a job even I have the best score and I succeed tests, but I fail to pass job interviews.
People should understand our condition. Not all people have the same abilities and we don't act the same.
The work environment sucks, they want all people to fit the same molde, which is stupid and impossible !