No. Whilst there is no proof if (and thats a BIG IF) the uap`s are not from this locale they could be from a race that might be so advanced it has unravelled knowledge we have yet to even consider. What is fact is that some of these objects move so fast they outperform any platform we have at present (regardless of nation) by some margin. And so if they aint ours,..........who do they belong to? Perhaps a race that has a better knowledge of physics and superior technology to ourselves.
@@laurencemoore8519 yeah, I agree. I don’t agree with his assumption that they would unavoidably create a fireball. I think if they wanted to they could be really stealthy. I would imagine they have the technology to do that.. and zip off at incredible speeds without any kind of sonic boom or firewall affect.. I agree with you.
EXPERIENCED OBSERVERS YEARS EXPERIENCED IN COMMUNICATING VISUAL DATA PILOTS ENGINEERS amateurs on the ground have been recording orally sometimes in video,,,objects no earth science has been able to duplicate in speed rapid change of trajectory climbing,from a dead stop,,this calls for max efforts to find out where how and who causes them
They do not, but oddly enough alien biology likely uses the same biological molecules and basic chemistry. Carbon is just good stuff and water is all over the place.
You can call Dr Loeb many things, an incredibly intelligent and fascinating scientist amongst them, but the one thing you can never call him (professionally, not personally of course, I don't know him) is a coward. Whether he's right or wrong I truly appreciate the fact he's willing to put his name on the line regardless of the popularity or general consensus regarding his research. He kind of reminds me of the protagonist of the book "Contact" in that way. Not a hero, but rather someone determined to push and test the boundaries of science. If any of this makes any sense of course...
I agree. Until all the facts are known, keep ALL possibilities on the table. Love Mr. Tyson but he's to quick to rule things out without all the facts being know.
Dr. Loeb asserting that Oumouma was whatever is a safe bet. It has left the solar system. He can say it was made of Gouda cheese, and no one could prove him wrong.
It’s surprising that you can get Avi Loeb so often… guy is a world renowned scientist and you just casually have him on like every other video… that’s crazy cool, of both you and especially Avi… dude must get so many requests for interviews from all sorts of media and he speaks to the world through these RUclips channels for free (I assume), which deserves mad respect.
I adore these interviews/talks with John & Avi Loeb _so so much._ They're my favorite Event Horizon episodes, and I'm beyond grateful that you guys have been able to do this so many times already! Thank you!! And now, I'm off to go listen to this one ✨
"Several days in a row we sighted groups of metallic, saucer-shaped vehicles at great altitudes over the base Germany, 1951 and we tried to get close to them, but they were able to change direction faster than our fighters. I do believe UFOs exist and that the truly unexplained ones are from some other technically advanced civilization." - Gordon Cooper, US Astronaut and Aerospace Engineer
Much respect to Gordon Cooper firstly. But this is the same reasoning that sasquatch truthers use to prove their existence. Every good picture we've gotten of these things are always explainable natural phenomenon. St Elmos Fire, ball lightning, and even Flying Dutchmen have been called aliens or spirits or angels. I don't think this will turn out to be any different.
@@NeonVisual This quote had nothing to do with misidentified artillery projectiles. If a projectile makes a sharp turn at mach or super-mach speeds, you can rightfully rule-out military ordinance - at least the kind subject to known physics.
I'm a fan of dr Loeb. I read the Ukrainian paper and Avi's answer paper. I say the claim the observed objects are "gun shells" is a speculation on his part, because he did not check if there was military activity in the observed area at that time. Also, the other argument, that the other object was a satellite: please tell which one. Then I would consider the Ukrainian paper debunked. As for now I am not convinced. Also it needs to be taken into account, observed uap's from military reports were behaving as if not bound to our known physics (fast, transmedium and so on). In fact this is his own argument he repeates: cavemen with an iPhone: it's just a rock. Well: it's just a "military shell".
I find Avi unnecessarily emotional about the thing. He claims comments on his paper were hostile, but i see nothing hostile about them - just disagreements. Then he uses phrases such as 'attacks' and 'bulletproof shield of science' which are very loaded.
20:00 but, you're using known physical limitations to judge wether or not an observation was a UFO with technology beyond our understanding? I understand the need for this. This is the only way we can do science, i get that. But, when we talk about UFO's we always talk about them being seen moving at incredible speeds WITHOUT affecting the air around them, WITHOUT reacting like meteors do when hitting the atmosphere... So now when analyzing the Ukraine UFO paper, he's using the meteor analogy, why? If these were indeed actual UFO's, we know they would NOT produce a brilliant shock in the air around them. I get the paradox of being forced to use our current understanding of physics to do science, and having confirmed corroberating evidence that UFO's do NOT obey our known laws of physics when observed. But this just strikes me as Avi trying to debunk the report using factors that wouldnt be factors if these were indeed actual UFO's.. Not intentionally, but just by forgetting all of the data we have on UFO's that clearly show they are NOT affected by air or water resistance. So why is he investigating them as if they were? If the Ukranians were correct in the distance estimation, then they clearly are UFO's because they dont affect the air as Avi calculated. But if they werent correct in the distance estimation, then yes they would be artillery shells. My point is just, why are we instantly assuming the Ukranian report was off by a factor of 10x, just because it doesnt fit with the model? The model that does NOT use the data we have of other UFO cases, where they DONT interact with the air.. For example the radar data / optical data / witness data / airborne radar data of the Nimitz encounter, clearly shows that these objects moved at speeds beyond what would be possible while NOT affecting the air around them, without any sonic boom and without glowing brighter than the entire Earth put together.. So we KNOW, we have "evidence" that UFO's do NOT glow as bright as an equivalent sized meteor at the same speed would.. So why are we then saying they arent UFO's because the Ukranian astronomers said they didnt glow as bright as a meteor? This is backwards reasoning. I dont know how much more simple i can make this.... We KNOW from other UFO cases, confirmed data, that UFO's move at speeds beyond belief without causing air friction that causes said glow. So when Ukraine reports UFO sightings, and measures their distance / size / speed.... Avi dismisses that because the objects didnt glow? I just......
I love Avi but sometimes he reveals how narrowminded he is, despite being barely open enough to investigate the UFO topic. Like his comments about "why would anyone want to investigate UFO's in Ukraine, a war zone?". Its like saying "We shouldnt look for black holes in a galaxy because there's too much noise from the other stars, we should look for them in the void between galaxies where there is less noise".. But, black holes ARE in galaxies.... Especially when we have SO many military encounters of UFO's, especially over nuclear bases and such, wouldnt you at least contemplate the possibility of INCREASED ufo activity in a war zone as opposed to a random spot in Canada where there's no people no technology no anything? He doesnt treat the UFO topic as if it is actually real. Because IF ufo's were actually real visitors, they WOULD absolutely be concentrated around warzones as well, because its activity, its action (not in the positive sense), its something worth investigating and studying. And if they had the intellect to construct vehicles to come to Earth, you can be sure they also have the intelligence to recognize the volatility and importance of this conflict in the entire human history, because they will absolutely be able to detect the radioactive signatures of how many nukes Russia has, and how many nukes USA / EU has. And even if they cant comprehend our language, or watch our television (which they probably could), they would absolutely be able to decode our universal symbol for "Radiation", and understand the concept that this is essentially a conflict between Russia and EU / USA (since they would be able to see the USA flag on certain military hardware or uniforms in Ukraine, and they would be able to see the same flag on airplanes going from USA to Ukraine carrying military equipment). This isnt rocket science, even a kindergerten human kid could figure out that a flag (a visual symbol of a certain pattern) shown in two parts of the world means that there's some connection there. Especially considering you can see the highest concentration of USA flags in USA itself, in US towns and cities. So if Avi actually dared to treat this topic as seriously as he pretends to, he'd understand that if intelligent civilizations were indeed visiting Earth, they would absolutely understand that this is a critical war that COULD results in the utter sterilization of the entire planet, if the Nukes were to be employed. And as such, they would absolutely be interested in observing the combat itself to see how bad it is getting.. So when i hear Avi stitting there smugly saying "heh, of course no UFO's would want to visit Ukraine, and why would we search for them there? its much better to search for them where there is low noise levels", completely ignoring the fact that, IF these are intelligent vehicles, they CHOOSE where to visit, its not just a random uniform distribution on the planet. Thus you CHOOSE locations you estimate THEY would CHOOSE to visit, you dont choose locations based on noise level. This isnt astronomy where we look at random stars in the sky and thus only care about minimal noise level. This is looking for actual intelligently controlled UFO's that DECIDE where to go, not just randomly buzzing around like meteors. Avi just still, after the Gallileo project and all else, isnt ready to treat the topic AS IF it was real. He still treats it as if it is astronomy looking for natural random homogenous distributed objects. It's like going into the Sahara desert to look for cars, because there's less noise there. Why would you wanna go to downtown Tokyo to look for cars? Look at all the buildings, the radio interference, the pedestrians, the noise. Because, that's where the cars are....
I love that Avi has no agenda. He is open to the idea of intelligent alien life but allowed in this UAP scenario, for the science to stand on its own merit to make a very plausible argument against them being alien craft in this instance. Keep bringing Avi back. He is BY FAR your most interesting and thought provoking guest.
@@ecbrown6151 His passion is Science and Finding life elsewhere. That is what drives him and many of us listening to Event Horizon. His books, fame or money is secondar. Shame on you. You're one of those religious nuts who thinks he's a scientist but really isn't. Screw off!!
To paraphrase Isaac Arthur, there is no such thing as a stealth interstellar spacecraft and Eryn Knight has the greatest speaking voice ever given to a human.
AATIP had a UAP classification system called "The Five Observables", including: "Anti-Gravity Lift", "Sudden and Instantaneous Acceleration", "Hypersonic Velocities Without Signatures", "Low Observability or Cloaking" and "Trans-Medium Travel". If you see an object moving rapidly and steadily in a straight line, that's not very compelling. Many natural or human-made objects do so. However, if you see an object moving very rapidly and it suddenly stops in the sky, or it turns abruptly at some highly oblique angle, and you have radar or visual triangulation on that object to prove its distance and velocity, that would be compelling. Any object which we can show violates our current understanding of physics would be very compelling and might be of non-human origin.
I didn't fall into anything. I gleefully belly flopped knowingly into Event Horizon! Unfortunately though...I got the wrong one and landed in the sci-fi horror movie with Morpheus and that dinosaur expert.
I’m confused. The image with the three dark objects on it with varying distance between them? Is this a composite image of the same object? Each of those objects looks to be virtually identical in size. If the one on the bottom of the image is the caboose and the one at the top of the image is the train engine coming toward us - the caboose should be smaller than the train engine. Or am I misunderstanding the image?
lol Nothing guarantees that, it's the wishful thinking of old hippies and new agers. We've continued advancing in numerous ways despite continued wars after developing world-ending weapons in the 40's. Clearly it's possible to be technologically advanced AND violent at the same time, not to mention greedy. If anything, it spurs further technological advancement by necessity.
Artillery shell, moves between 910 and 1,070 m/s the moment they are fired, but that speed drops very quickly all the way down to under 300 m/s when they reach the top of their trajectory. The 155mm howitzer shell sizes is 26.8-inch (68.1 cm)
Actually, the length of a 155mm shell depends on the type. For example a M107 HE shell is 60.5cm in length while a M982 Excalibur PGM round is almost 100cm in lenth. Furthermore they use different calliper gunfire Soviet era 122 and 152mm, 105 and 155mm NATO standard guns, but also 203mm howitsers and even a self propelled 204mm mortar. These all have different size shells, different muzzle and terminal velocities etc.
What gave him the idea these could be artillery shells - the uao observed by Ukrainian astronomers were observed starting from 2018. No missiles or bullets were flying over Kyiv back then. And he completely falls to address the two-site observation: no bullets or artillery shells can be spotted by equipment located 120km apart. Anyway, just some lazy biased commentary.
In an infinite universe how can one say alloys are never produced naturally? A quantum computer should be built naturally in infinite universe, correct?
Even if the universe is infinite and nature at one point happened to make the right composition required for an alloy we would never realistically expect to find it. The odds of finding it would put needle in a haystack to shame. Artificial objects tend to have trends or markers that would be recognizable or stand out.
I simply cannot agree with Avi on his take on the UAPs in Ukraine. "it is impossible to create something that can move that fast without creating a fireball". No, it's impossible for us, humanity, to do that. I respect Avi for his work on this subject, but he is too close minded and has limited himself to our current understanding of physics, he does not allow room for physics we currently don't understand. We could be talking about technology that is a million or more years advanced compared to us. We simply cannot rule out anything, even if it does "break" our current known physics.
hm, I don't get the air/light argument. As far as I remember, even the us air force had plans for a hypesonic airplane that would "cut" the air infront of itself with a laser, basically creating a bubble of no air, reducing air resistance. Such a craft would also be, idk, opaque to light, I guess. Or am I tripping?
Modest correction: Titanium (atomic # 22) is lighter than iron (atomic # 26); this is why titanium dioxide is found in the atmospheres of red giant & supergiant stars.
Avi Loeb's willingness to push the envelope of narratives in the so-called "scientific community" (a community primarily of status quo) is inspirational.
The UAP topic is interesting BUT the likelihood of advanced secret human technology clouds the possibility of getting accurate information. Especially since the same government that owns the secret technology is funding much of the research into UAPs. On the other hand, I wish a researcher like Beatriz Villarroel would get all of the funding and access to military data that she needs to explain those unusual pre 1950's objects orbiting our planet...
@@sandyago4735 And why not ? It is well known that the US military did have secret programs in the past, and that is still having them. Germans, Russians, Americans and Chinese have all been doing a lot of experiments with anti gravity drones. Also is it not new that radar disturbing programs have been developed. Where you see things appear on radar that are not even there in reality. And testing a secret military program on your own navy is of course the best thing to do. It is always better and more probably as Avi Loeb trying to push his book sells on five hundred thousand RUclips videos, with things that he could and will never be able to prove. I did have a lot of respect for Avi Loeb as researcher, but the last few years it's all about money for him. Sorry my opinion of course.
Assuming there is a silent object the size of voyager in the solar system, how close would it need to be for us to be able to see it? I guess it's not very far at all.
With his mindset Avi is a hundred if not a thousand years early. Should't we (on the verge of erasing our existence) be more scared about ourselves than about anything else? This is what puzzles me the most.
I hear Andromeda and my mind rushes back to the show Andromeda, not to be confused with The Andromeda Strain, which i found out last year are two different shows. Just goes to show how unreliable human memory is.
Avi seems to not to understand technology higher than ours seems to move through various mediums without supersonic atmosphere interactions. He says no way that it will not interact with the medium. We do not understand how it does this as many times these objects make moves without a sonic boom. Even traveling underwater at unrealistic speeds. No sonic boom means we humans do not understand them.
It's an interesting thought that a solar system as a whole could be accelerated to high relativistic speeds. Any residents might have the chance to live during the entire transit.
Chris lehto went into this in great detail, apparently the equipment used can be obtained easily enough and the software used can be downloaded from internet so this is an experiment that can be repeated and if they don't pick anything up like the Ukraine results then the artillery idea would be likely answer but if they got same results then more research is needed
No reason to believe UOP s are not obligated to behave or follow our basic laws of physics. Using a novel means of bending time and space to transfer distance apparently moving from one place to another.
I get Dr Loebs argument for it being artillery and I have to say that was one of the first things that came to my mind as well, it’s a literal war zone. Or how about spy satellites or something. But them being “dark objects” with zero reflectiveness keeps coming back, I don’t think artillery would have that. I can imagine a spy satellite painted vanta-black tho. But unfortunately this is all way over my pay grade. Hopefully someone else experimentally confirms or disputes this using the same settings. I don’t get the saying “we need to keep an open mind” in one breath and “it can’t possibly not make a fireball” in the other however, I have to say. He does that a lot.
Except it isn't. His logic is: "They must be wrong about their observations...even though I didn't do the experiment for myself...because my conclusion is different from theirs 🤣"
@@Common_Mansplaining That isn't his logic. He did not start with a conclusion. You did and so did the original publishers. He started with what data was actually collected (angle and apparent size), not the assumptions about distance and size arbitrarily added onto those observations and asserted without evidence as facts, and then resorting to special pleading when those assumptions completely violate the known laws of physics. "Oh there was no fireball because they're magical," is not a reasonable conclusion.
Unbeknownst to Avi Loeb and his team, it was actually an insect that exploded and can now be found on the ocean floor off the coast of Papua New Guinea. Mick West emailed me about it.
Not an UFO enthusiast, once thought I saw a crop circle made of grass in my backyard in Newark(but it's Newark... so elves, vampires, etc ). Tree in the backyard fell over days later!? But really no UFO sightings are associated with a sonic boom, while moving. Most say they move a discretely manner, and/or phase, or move w/o interactions. One solution to an UFO blocking light and moving at high speeds without an massive observance atmospheric disturbance proportional to the craft size. Is by doing what the USA military with their ICBM. They put a telescopic protrusion on the nosecone that displaced atmosphere ahead of the rocket, that created a vacuum corridor substantial smaller of what an unmodified rocket would produce. Basically only the width of the rocket, now imagine using this method with advance technologies "force-fields" perhaps?
Regarding the UAP comments. I have no side I'm taking, and not disputing directly. But, I'd like to add that 1) the government official asked that the Dr present in physics we understand. 2) there have been phenomenon recorded in high detail, by multiple sources and multiple types of data collecting devices (flir, nvg, radar, etc) simultaneously, [specifically thinking of the US Navy's David Fravor footage, but there are several examples similar] where the UAP examples do move not only in velocities similar in acceleration as the Ukraine samples, without radiation or heat produced, but also at near right angles and greater... distances and speeds documented. 3) in my considerable research (relative), artillery shells do not change angles at will. Again, I'm not disputing the conclusion given here, of the example specific. I'm just noting that there are similarities, and the ones with much higher accuracy of observation, are not explained away so easily. Just my .02$. Cheers.
Always great hearing Dr Loeb provide his insights into UAP. He's the right person to be studying this phenomena....he doesn't have an agenda, uses logic to make his arguments and he's very agnostic about the findings.
Interview the Ucranian authors PLEASE, If their observations are real it should be easy for other observatories with similar equipment to replicate their observations by applying their same methods
Yeah didn't Cmdr. Fravor say what he saw passed from air to water without any resistance? Also, weren't the Ukrainians using two telescopes to validate? I'm skeptical about their methods, for sure, but... Avi's logic is based on known physics. Hopefully others will try to reproduce the technique, but with real life controls--that's what they're missing. I also haven't heard of artillery shells or bullets completely absorbing light... but I'm not a munitionsman =P
@@t0nyR0s3 exactly, the two viewpoint synchronized capture is NOT relying on inferring distance on atmosferic scattering, but simple and foolproof trigonometry
What really irks me about youap is that there is lack of data points. I have a pilot's license I flew for 20 years, and while I may have made annotations in my log book. I certainly wasn't ever going to file a report and fly a desk for the rest of my career. However I appreciate how the incident on the US is bucking that trend.
To be clear after watching this video and reading his paper it seems obvious to me that what the ukrainians observed was artillery shells. Just like in the movie contact the old Occam's razor. To this day I have been racking my brain over the things I observed knowing what I know about science, and being a pilot. What I observed changed course. Had it not changed course I could have said I was probably some missile test from some rogue Nation. I really want that to be what it was, but missiles don't change course they are ballistic.
One problem with this whole Avi explanation is that there were none artillery shells nor other military tools around Kiev that time, the war took place in different areas further east.
I like John's channel...Loeb is not a main source of thoughts on UAP for us but it's still interesting to hear 'theories" from deep thinkers like him ..
UOP observed by technical equipment and trained observers ( military pilots ). They do not see these devices heating up via friction with our atmosphere when traveling at five or six times the speed of sound. They can do this using a different science.
Eh, Mick West usually very polite and doesn't really attack. He may not be a accredited scientist but he's a pretty smart engineer and dues awesome due diligence and experiments. I like Avi but construing opposing view points as attacks is a bit thin skinned. It would be good to hear from Mick on this channel somet.
What Avi says about the Ukrainian objects makes sense. But I am interested in the comments around an object that blocks light must interact with air. Many of the descriptions of UAP encounters describe them behaving in ways that defies our current understanding of physics. The 5 observables. So we know that a strong field can bend or deflect light. Gravitational lensing for instance. So is it possible for an object to appear to be blocking light when in fact it is bending it? This next bit is pure speculation, but to me the one solution that might fit the 5 observables is a technology that can create a field around an object that creates a bubble within which matter is altered and its mass becomes zero or near zero. Could manipulation of the Higgs field create something like this for instance? Within the bubble matter becomes more like light, or holographic matter. This might be able to bend or scatter light through the interaction of the field rather than interaction with holographic matter? With zero mass holographic matter would carry no momentum and would have little ineraction with other baryonic matter? Hence no sonic boom, no friction, no splash when entering or leaving water. Would need very little power to accelerate instantly to very high velocities. I think this kind of technology would also provide ability to travel safely through interstellar space, and provide a great defensive mechanism. Craft becomes invulnerable while field is on? Of coursebI don't know if this is even possible, but it is the kind of technology that fits the 5 observables. Am interested in how the UAP story unfolds going forward and if good evidence can be found or otherwise.
"You don't stand on the top of carcasses of millions of years of evolution by being meek.", Isaac Arthur. I firmly believe that if a civilization that survive for millions of years, chances are, they are peaceful amongst their own and to their pet. We wouldn't even be considered a threat, in comparison. Perhaps up to a point. That said, Avi's optimist outlook does not diminish my respect to him and his work. Thank you for the video!
Avi, one question on the Ukrainian UAPs: If what you're saying is that the data was wrong and should be 10x smaller than the researchers thought; your point being that if their data was suggesting these are both moving at such high speeds that they could easily leave orbit into space, and that they were not emitting light. (The latter point is not one you address at all.) Well, you're right, but the question is if these objects are in fact 10x faster and larger than your formula rules, wouldn't their technology that can avoid 'the fireball' you mention be so advanced that it can do many things we can't imagine?
If Avi is going to judge something by what he thinks to be possible and impossible, he's never going to find what he's searching for if it hit him on the head.
Passive aggressive resistance to the idea of extraterrestrial entities, more advanced than us, are here successfully playing peek-a-boo with humans, is strong.
Their method for tracking/triangulating distance is not nearly as "faulty" as Loeb claims...not only that...even if it failed to triangulate well on any one given time, they made these observations with TONS of objects over extended periods of time.
Good conversation. Artillery doesn't move at a constant rate, a constant trajectory perhaps yes, but the rate of movement through its vertical parallax is affected by many factors.
Wow! Avi is so confident and nonchalant when discussing the potential of artificial origin for this meteorite. I don’t think he is crazy, I think he truly follows the science before he speaks. More to come…
Will someone ask Dr, Loeb if UAP could be projections into our familiar 3D+T space of higher dimensional objects. They don't appear to experience drag.
This guy seems like an egomaniac. His entire monologue about the Ukrainian uap is dismissive and insulting of the Ukrainian scientists and glorifying of his own amazing insight, genius, and logic. His conclusion is correct of course but the way he presents it and himself makes me want to disagree out of disgust alone.
The thing is, independent study by Ukrainian astronomers is done BEFORE russian military offensive, so the "artillery shells" over Kiev is not correct assumption.
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Do you think all UAP must fit our current understanding of physics?
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No. Whilst there is no proof if (and thats a BIG IF) the uap`s are not from this locale they could be from a race that might be so advanced it has unravelled knowledge we have yet to even consider. What is fact is that some of these objects move so fast they outperform any platform we have at present (regardless of nation) by some margin. And so if they aint ours,..........who do they belong to? Perhaps a race that has a better knowledge of physics and superior technology to ourselves.
@@laurencemoore8519 yeah, I agree. I don’t agree with his assumption that they would unavoidably create a fireball. I think if they wanted to they could be really stealthy. I would imagine they have the technology to do that.. and zip off at incredible speeds without any kind of sonic boom or firewall affect.. I agree with you.
EXPERIENCED OBSERVERS YEARS EXPERIENCED IN COMMUNICATING VISUAL DATA PILOTS ENGINEERS amateurs on the ground have been recording orally sometimes in video,,,objects no earth science has been able to duplicate in speed rapid change of trajectory climbing,from a dead stop,,this calls for max efforts to find out where how and who causes them
if it does not we have more physics to catch up on
They do not, but oddly enough alien biology likely uses the same biological molecules and basic chemistry. Carbon is just good stuff and water is all over the place.
You can call Dr Loeb many things, an incredibly intelligent and fascinating scientist amongst them, but the one thing you can never call him (professionally, not personally of course, I don't know him) is a coward. Whether he's right or wrong I truly appreciate the fact he's willing to put his name on the line regardless of the popularity or general consensus regarding his research. He kind of reminds me of the protagonist of the book "Contact" in that way. Not a hero, but rather someone determined to push and test the boundaries of science. If any of this makes any sense of course...
I agree. Until all the facts are known, keep ALL possibilities on the table. Love Mr. Tyson but he's to quick to rule things out without all the facts being know.
Dr. Loeb asserting that Oumouma was whatever is a safe bet. It has left the solar system. He can say it was made of Gouda cheese, and no one could prove him wrong.
@@82spiders You're goofy. Put your way include Einstein and his buddy Enrico too, also Tesla!
@@82spiders agreed. Frustrates me to no end seeing people here tauting both agruments from authority and from incredulity.
@@oscopin74 possibility =/= plausibility.
It’s surprising that you can get Avi Loeb so often… guy is a world renowned scientist and you just casually have him on like every other video… that’s crazy cool, of both you and especially Avi… dude must get so many requests for interviews from all sorts of media and he speaks to the world through these RUclips channels for free (I assume), which deserves mad respect.
If the aliens show up, he'll be tapped. Thank goodness.
I am betting he believes coming on here helps him get funding. I don’t care I just really enjoy listening to him
@@galaticemperor9881 Agreed. But I don't think RUclips would be his primary funding platform.
Avi was the first guest we ever had on the show. We are grateful to have him on the show.
@@EventHorizonShow As are we! That’s a hell of a start by the way… Avi Loeb as the first guest! Not too shabby lol
Watch every JMG and EH video. But, when I see you have Mr. Loeb back on I click immediately! How many times is this?
Great combo them two, always a blast.
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Avi loeb is the GOAT, such a great person to listen to love it
It's almost time to credit Dr. Loeb as a co-host! Very interesting conversation, as always!
you have fallen into Avi Loeb
I wouldn't mind that.
No Don't steal the spotlight from Anna
Can you interview some old school natural philosophers like Aristotle and Plato?
Which contemporary contenders would you recommend?
I think I am addicted to this channel. I am sure I have fallen into The Event Horizon and apparently there's no coming back.
Glad you found us.
Binge watching all Fermi Paradox episodes. Dark Forest?
welcome to the channel, I hope you enjoy spaghetti, for eternity 🤣
Avi is a fantastic guest, always a pleasure to listen to his informative answers and explanations!
I adore these interviews/talks with John & Avi Loeb _so so much._ They're my favorite Event Horizon episodes, and I'm beyond grateful that you guys have been able to do this so many times already! Thank you!!
And now, I'm off to go listen to this one ✨
A high level US Gov’t Official visited Avi at HOME, to encourage a paper regarding UAPs?!?!?
Now, THAT’S interesting! 😮🛸
Yep and I wish I was a fly on the wall.
"Several days in a row we sighted groups of metallic, saucer-shaped vehicles at great altitudes over the base Germany, 1951 and we tried to get close to them, but they were able to change direction faster than our fighters. I do believe UFOs exist and that the truly unexplained ones are from some other technically advanced civilization." - Gordon Cooper, US Astronaut and Aerospace Engineer
Spacenazis
other civilizations, yes. Other planets or solar systems, not necesarily. Perhaps Silurian "deeply nostalgic" remnants
Much respect to Gordon Cooper firstly. But this is the same reasoning that sasquatch truthers use to prove their existence. Every good picture we've gotten of these things are always explainable natural phenomenon. St Elmos Fire, ball lightning, and even Flying Dutchmen have been called aliens or spirits or angels. I don't think this will turn out to be any different.
Don't be silly, it's just artillery shells from the frontline of a war 900km away straying 870km from their 30km max range.
@@NeonVisual This quote had nothing to do with misidentified artillery projectiles. If a projectile makes a sharp turn at mach or super-mach speeds, you can rightfully rule-out military ordinance - at least the kind subject to known physics.
I'm a fan of dr Loeb. I read the Ukrainian paper and Avi's answer paper. I say the claim the observed objects are "gun shells" is a speculation on his part, because he did not check if there was military activity in the observed area at that time. Also, the other argument, that the other object was a satellite: please tell which one. Then I would consider the Ukrainian paper debunked. As for now I am not convinced. Also it needs to be taken into account, observed uap's from military reports were behaving as if not bound to our known physics (fast, transmedium and so on). In fact this is his own argument he repeates: cavemen with an iPhone: it's just a rock. Well: it's just a "military shell".
Thank you for the comment.
I find Avi unnecessarily emotional about the thing. He claims comments on his paper were hostile, but i see nothing hostile about them - just disagreements. Then he uses phrases such as 'attacks' and 'bulletproof shield of science' which are very loaded.
20:00 but, you're using known physical limitations to judge wether or not an observation was a UFO with technology beyond our understanding?
I understand the need for this. This is the only way we can do science, i get that.
But, when we talk about UFO's we always talk about them being seen moving at incredible speeds WITHOUT affecting the air around them, WITHOUT reacting like meteors do when hitting the atmosphere...
So now when analyzing the Ukraine UFO paper, he's using the meteor analogy, why?
If these were indeed actual UFO's, we know they would NOT produce a brilliant shock in the air around them.
I get the paradox of being forced to use our current understanding of physics to do science, and having confirmed corroberating evidence that UFO's do NOT obey our known laws of physics when observed.
But this just strikes me as Avi trying to debunk the report using factors that wouldnt be factors if these were indeed actual UFO's..
Not intentionally, but just by forgetting all of the data we have on UFO's that clearly show they are NOT affected by air or water resistance.
So why is he investigating them as if they were?
If the Ukranians were correct in the distance estimation, then they clearly are UFO's because they dont affect the air as Avi calculated.
But if they werent correct in the distance estimation, then yes they would be artillery shells.
My point is just, why are we instantly assuming the Ukranian report was off by a factor of 10x, just because it doesnt fit with the model?
The model that does NOT use the data we have of other UFO cases, where they DONT interact with the air..
For example the radar data / optical data / witness data / airborne radar data of the Nimitz encounter, clearly shows that these objects moved at speeds beyond what would be possible while NOT affecting the air around them, without any sonic boom and without glowing brighter than the entire Earth put together..
So we KNOW, we have "evidence" that UFO's do NOT glow as bright as an equivalent sized meteor at the same speed would..
So why are we then saying they arent UFO's because the Ukranian astronomers said they didnt glow as bright as a meteor?
This is backwards reasoning.
I dont know how much more simple i can make this....
We KNOW from other UFO cases, confirmed data, that UFO's move at speeds beyond belief without causing air friction that causes said glow.
So when Ukraine reports UFO sightings, and measures their distance / size / speed.... Avi dismisses that because the objects didnt glow?
I just......
I love Avi but sometimes he reveals how narrowminded he is, despite being barely open enough to investigate the UFO topic.
Like his comments about "why would anyone want to investigate UFO's in Ukraine, a war zone?".
Its like saying "We shouldnt look for black holes in a galaxy because there's too much noise from the other stars, we should look for them in the void between galaxies where there is less noise".. But, black holes ARE in galaxies....
Especially when we have SO many military encounters of UFO's, especially over nuclear bases and such, wouldnt you at least contemplate the possibility of INCREASED ufo activity in a war zone as opposed to a random spot in Canada where there's no people no technology no anything?
He doesnt treat the UFO topic as if it is actually real.
Because IF ufo's were actually real visitors, they WOULD absolutely be concentrated around warzones as well, because its activity, its action (not in the positive sense), its something worth investigating and studying. And if they had the intellect to construct vehicles to come to Earth, you can be sure they also have the intelligence to recognize the volatility and importance of this conflict in the entire human history, because they will absolutely be able to detect the radioactive signatures of how many nukes Russia has, and how many nukes USA / EU has.
And even if they cant comprehend our language, or watch our television (which they probably could), they would absolutely be able to decode our universal symbol for "Radiation", and understand the concept that this is essentially a conflict between Russia and EU / USA (since they would be able to see the USA flag on certain military hardware or uniforms in Ukraine, and they would be able to see the same flag on airplanes going from USA to Ukraine carrying military equipment).
This isnt rocket science, even a kindergerten human kid could figure out that a flag (a visual symbol of a certain pattern) shown in two parts of the world means that there's some connection there. Especially considering you can see the highest concentration of USA flags in USA itself, in US towns and cities.
So if Avi actually dared to treat this topic as seriously as he pretends to, he'd understand that if intelligent civilizations were indeed visiting Earth, they would absolutely understand that this is a critical war that COULD results in the utter sterilization of the entire planet, if the Nukes were to be employed.
And as such, they would absolutely be interested in observing the combat itself to see how bad it is getting..
So when i hear Avi stitting there smugly saying "heh, of course no UFO's would want to visit Ukraine, and why would we search for them there? its much better to search for them where there is low noise levels", completely ignoring the fact that, IF these are intelligent vehicles, they CHOOSE where to visit, its not just a random uniform distribution on the planet.
Thus you CHOOSE locations you estimate THEY would CHOOSE to visit, you dont choose locations based on noise level.
This isnt astronomy where we look at random stars in the sky and thus only care about minimal noise level.
This is looking for actual intelligently controlled UFO's that DECIDE where to go, not just randomly buzzing around like meteors.
Avi just still, after the Gallileo project and all else, isnt ready to treat the topic AS IF it was real.
He still treats it as if it is astronomy looking for natural random homogenous distributed objects.
It's like going into the Sahara desert to look for cars, because there's less noise there.
Why would you wanna go to downtown Tokyo to look for cars? Look at all the buildings, the radio interference, the pedestrians, the noise.
Because, that's where the cars are....
I love that Avi has no agenda. He is open to the idea of intelligent alien life but allowed in this UAP scenario, for the science to stand on its own merit to make a very plausible argument against them being alien craft in this instance. Keep bringing Avi back. He is BY FAR your most interesting and thought provoking guest.
He has most definitely been promoting his book, so I would propose that making money is in fact a part of his agenda
@@ecbrown6151 His passion is Science and Finding life elsewhere. That is what drives him and many of us listening to Event Horizon. His books, fame or money is secondar. Shame on you. You're one of those religious nuts who thinks he's a scientist but really isn't. Screw off!!
@@ecbrown6151 I hope Avi makes a fortune and we can have him here more often!
Seems like Avi's shield of science has holes in it.
To paraphrase Isaac Arthur, there is no such thing as a stealth interstellar spacecraft and Eryn Knight has the greatest speaking voice ever given to a human.
I'm more a fan of the quantum possum's voice
@@hazonku Eryn voices the possum too. Srsly.
i love how professionally savage avi gets when he's having a disagreement with someone lmao
I just got a burrito with queso sitting next to me and the ad for this video was for taco bell grilled cheese burrito 😳 that's a weird phenomena
Aliens are screwing you with their mind control rays.
AATIP had a UAP classification system called "The Five Observables", including: "Anti-Gravity Lift", "Sudden and Instantaneous Acceleration", "Hypersonic Velocities Without Signatures", "Low Observability or Cloaking" and "Trans-Medium Travel". If you see an object moving rapidly and steadily in a straight line, that's not very compelling. Many natural or human-made objects do so. However, if you see an object moving very rapidly and it suddenly stops in the sky, or it turns abruptly at some highly oblique angle, and you have radar or visual triangulation on that object to prove its distance and velocity, that would be compelling. Any object which we can show violates our current understanding of physics would be very compelling and might be of non-human origin.
Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. When you hear hoof beats, think horses not zebras...
I didn't fall into anything. I gleefully belly flopped knowingly into Event Horizon! Unfortunately though...I got the wrong one and landed in the sci-fi horror movie with Morpheus and that dinosaur expert.
JMG liked this comment. If we don't get Anna saying "you've bellyflopped into the event horizon" I will be very extremely slightly disappointed.
I’m confused. The image with the three dark objects on it with varying distance between them? Is this a composite image of the same object? Each of those objects looks to be virtually identical in size. If the one on the bottom of the image is the caboose and the one at the top of the image is the train engine coming toward us - the caboose should be smaller than the train engine. Or am I misunderstanding the image?
"Any long lived civilisation will be a peaceful civilisation" - Dr. Avi Loeb 2022
Spot on doctor!
The Borg
@@oiocha5706 The Borg is fiction.
lol Nothing guarantees that, it's the wishful thinking of old hippies and new agers. We've continued advancing in numerous ways despite continued wars after developing world-ending weapons in the 40's. Clearly it's possible to be technologically advanced AND violent at the same time, not to mention greedy. If anything, it spurs further technological advancement by necessity.
Mick West didnt like Avi's alternative mundane explanation either, that is kind of hilarious. Very interesting.
Dr. Loeb is such a brilliant mind. I so wish that scientists who think the way he does were the norm rather than the exception.
Artillery shell, moves between 910 and 1,070 m/s the moment they are fired, but that speed drops very quickly all the way down to under 300 m/s when they reach the top of their trajectory.
The 155mm howitzer shell sizes is 26.8-inch (68.1 cm)
Actually, the length of a 155mm shell depends on the type. For example a M107 HE shell is 60.5cm in length while a M982 Excalibur PGM round is almost 100cm in lenth. Furthermore they use different calliper gunfire Soviet era 122 and 152mm, 105 and 155mm NATO standard guns, but also 203mm howitsers and even a self propelled 204mm mortar. These all have different size shells, different muzzle and terminal velocities etc.
What gave him the idea these could be artillery shells - the uao observed by Ukrainian astronomers were observed starting from 2018. No missiles or bullets were flying over Kyiv back then.
And he completely falls to address the two-site observation: no bullets or artillery shells can be spotted by equipment located 120km apart.
Anyway, just some lazy biased commentary.
In an infinite universe how can one say alloys are never produced naturally? A quantum computer should be built naturally in infinite universe, correct?
Even if the universe is infinite and nature at one point happened to make the right composition required for an alloy we would never realistically expect to find it. The odds of finding it would put needle in a haystack to shame. Artificial objects tend to have trends or markers that would be recognizable or stand out.
I simply cannot agree with Avi on his take on the UAPs in Ukraine. "it is impossible to create something that can move that fast without creating a fireball". No, it's impossible for us, humanity, to do that. I respect Avi for his work on this subject, but he is too close minded and has limited himself to our current understanding of physics, he does not allow room for physics we currently don't understand. We could be talking about technology that is a million or more years advanced compared to us. We simply cannot rule out anything, even if it does "break" our current known physics.
hm, I don't get the air/light argument. As far as I remember, even the us air force had plans for a hypesonic airplane that would "cut" the air infront of itself with a laser, basically creating a bubble of no air, reducing air resistance. Such a craft would also be, idk, opaque to light, I guess. Or am I tripping?
Can’t believe after 70 years of confirmed uap activity , this is the best on offer …. Sad !
I personally love how Avi can always trash the haters.
A big thank you to Dr. Avi Loeb for dropping by again. Interesting, as always.
Modest correction: Titanium (atomic # 22) is lighter than iron (atomic # 26); this is why titanium dioxide is found in the atmospheres of red giant & supergiant stars.
Avi Loeb my man!
Avi Loeb's willingness to push the envelope of narratives in the so-called "scientific community" (a community primarily of status quo) is inspirational.
5:41 Did Avi suggest that Titanium is heavier than Iron?
Titanium is Element number 22, Iron is 26.
From context I think he meant its produced in supernovae rather than in fusion during a stars life.
The UAP topic is interesting BUT the likelihood of advanced secret human technology clouds the possibility of getting accurate information. Especially since the same government that owns the secret technology is funding much of the research into UAPs. On the other hand, I wish a researcher like Beatriz Villarroel would get all of the funding and access to military data that she needs to explain those unusual pre 1950's objects orbiting our planet...
Really? A conspiracy theory in the comments here? Wow
@@sandyago4735 I am suggesting that some of the UAPs are in fact secret technology-based craft. That's far from a conspiracy theory.
@@sandyago4735 And why not ? It is well known that the US military did have secret programs in the past, and that is still having them. Germans, Russians, Americans and Chinese have all been doing a lot of experiments with anti gravity drones. Also is it not new that radar disturbing programs have been developed. Where you see things appear on radar that are not even there in reality. And testing a secret military program on your own navy is of course the best thing to do.
It is always better and more probably as Avi Loeb trying to push his book sells on five hundred thousand RUclips videos, with things that he could and will never be able to prove.
I did have a lot of respect for Avi Loeb as researcher, but the last few years it's all about money for him.
Sorry my opinion of course.
I believe if the US had this tech the US flag would be flying over every country in the world.
Assuming there is a silent object the size of voyager in the solar system, how close would it need to be for us to be able to see it? I guess it's not very far at all.
Avi Loeb episodes are definitely my fav. I made excitement sounds like a child when I saw this video was released
With his mindset Avi is a hundred if not a thousand years early. Should't we (on the verge of erasing our existence) be more scared about ourselves than about anything else? This is what puzzles me the most.
Well seems like he's right on time then ha!
I hear Andromeda and my mind rushes back to the show Andromeda, not to be confused with The Andromeda Strain, which i found out last year are two different shows. Just goes to show how unreliable human memory is.
I swear this channel has enabled me to sound more intelligent than i actually am in conversation.
Avi seems to not to understand technology higher than ours seems to move through various mediums without supersonic atmosphere interactions. He says no way that it will not interact with the medium. We do not understand how it does this as many times these objects make moves without a sonic boom. Even traveling underwater at unrealistic speeds. No sonic boom means we humans do not understand them.
It's an interesting thought that a solar system as a whole could be accelerated to high relativistic speeds. Any residents might have the chance to live during the entire transit.
Both open minded that he's not affraid of speculation and rational that he's willing to find the truth ? This dude's got my respect
Great show. What you both began to touch on in the last 10 minutes would be a great beginning for your next conversation with each bother.
Chris lehto went into this in great detail, apparently the equipment used can be obtained easily enough and the software used can be downloaded from internet so this is an experiment that can be repeated and if they don't pick anything up like the Ukraine results then the artillery idea would be likely answer but if they got same results then more research is needed
No reason to believe UOP s are not obligated to behave or follow our basic laws of physics. Using a novel means of bending time and space to transfer distance apparently moving from one place to another.
I really enjoy listening to Mr Loeb speak, thank you 😃
Dr Loeb is absolutely fearless! I love that. 😎
Fearlessly self-promoting.
I get Dr Loebs argument for it being artillery and I have to say that was one of the first things that came to my mind as well, it’s a literal war zone. Or how about spy satellites or something. But them being “dark objects” with zero reflectiveness keeps coming back, I don’t think artillery would have that. I can imagine a spy satellite painted vanta-black tho. But unfortunately this is all way over my pay grade. Hopefully someone else experimentally confirms or disputes this using the same settings. I don’t get the saying “we need to keep an open mind” in one breath and “it can’t possibly not make a fireball” in the other however, I have to say. He does that a lot.
I don’t understand the hate for this man, if he’s wrong, he’s wrong; but there seems to be many who are afraid he could be right about something
That's the inevitable human nature! :-)
Always a good day when Avi and John sit for a chat
If we stop all wars and conflicts and treat each other respect and show we are learning from our mistakes they might stop and talk ❤
Avi's logic is so flawless even a truck driver can understand,🤔 awesome. Avi just stated the obvious and we get to watch the fire works start.😆
Except it isn't. His logic is: "They must be wrong about their observations...even though I didn't do the experiment for myself...because my conclusion is different from theirs 🤣"
@@Common_Mansplaining where did you publish your paper? Maybe you could be one of John's guests someday.
@@Common_Mansplaining That isn't his logic. He did not start with a conclusion. You did and so did the original publishers. He started with what data was actually collected (angle and apparent size), not the assumptions about distance and size arbitrarily added onto those observations and asserted without evidence as facts, and then resorting to special pleading when those assumptions completely violate the known laws of physics. "Oh there was no fireball because they're magical," is not a reasonable conclusion.
Unbeknownst to Avi Loeb and his team, it was actually an insect that exploded and can now be found on the ocean floor off the coast of Papua New Guinea. Mick West emailed me about it.
Not an UFO enthusiast, once thought I saw a crop circle made of grass in my backyard in Newark(but it's Newark... so elves, vampires, etc ).
Tree in the backyard fell over days later!?
But really no UFO sightings are associated with a sonic boom, while moving. Most say they move a discretely manner, and/or phase, or move w/o interactions.
One solution to an UFO blocking light and moving at high speeds without an massive observance atmospheric disturbance proportional to the craft size. Is by doing what the USA military with their ICBM. They put a telescopic protrusion on the nosecone that displaced atmosphere ahead of the rocket, that created a vacuum corridor substantial smaller of what an unmodified rocket would produce. Basically only the width of the rocket, now imagine using this method with advance technologies "force-fields" perhaps?
Awesome more video with Avi!
Regarding the UAP comments. I have no side I'm taking, and not disputing directly. But, I'd like to add that 1) the government official asked that the Dr present in physics we understand. 2) there have been phenomenon recorded in high detail, by multiple sources and multiple types of data collecting devices (flir, nvg, radar, etc) simultaneously, [specifically thinking of the US Navy's David Fravor footage, but there are several examples similar] where the UAP examples do move not only in velocities similar in acceleration as the Ukraine samples, without radiation or heat produced, but also at near right angles and greater... distances and speeds documented. 3) in my considerable research (relative), artillery shells do not change angles at will.
Again, I'm not disputing the conclusion given here, of the example specific. I'm just noting that there are similarities, and the ones with much higher accuracy of observation, are not explained away so easily. Just my .02$. Cheers.
Always great hearing Dr Loeb provide his insights into UAP. He's the right person to be studying this phenomena....he doesn't have an agenda, uses logic to make his arguments and he's very agnostic about the findings.
I love what you’re doing Godier. You bring serious people and have serious discussions. This is the light side of the internet 👍🤘
Interview the Ucranian authors PLEASE, If their observations are real it should be easy for other observatories with similar equipment to replicate their observations by applying their same methods
We will look into it.
Yeah didn't Cmdr. Fravor say what he saw passed from air to water without any resistance? Also, weren't the Ukrainians using two telescopes to validate? I'm skeptical about their methods, for sure, but... Avi's logic is based on known physics. Hopefully others will try to reproduce the technique, but with real life controls--that's what they're missing. I also haven't heard of artillery shells or bullets completely absorbing light... but I'm not a munitionsman =P
@@t0nyR0s3 exactly, the two viewpoint synchronized capture is NOT relying on inferring distance on atmosferic scattering, but simple and foolproof trigonometry
Logic thinking does not work in 2022 :(. This was a breath of fresh air.
What really irks me about youap is that there is lack of data points. I have a pilot's license I flew for 20 years, and while I may have made annotations in my log book. I certainly wasn't ever going to file a report and fly a desk for the rest of my career. However I appreciate how the incident on the US is bucking that trend.
To be clear after watching this video and reading his paper it seems obvious to me that what the ukrainians observed was artillery shells. Just like in the movie contact the old Occam's razor. To this day I have been racking my brain over the things I observed knowing what I know about science, and being a pilot. What I observed changed course. Had it not changed course I could have said I was probably some missile test from some rogue Nation. I really want that to be what it was, but missiles don't change course they are ballistic.
One problem with this whole Avi explanation is that there were none artillery shells nor other military tools around Kiev that time, the war took place in different areas further east.
I like John's channel...Loeb is not a main source of thoughts on UAP for us but it's still interesting to hear 'theories" from deep thinkers like him ..
UOP observed by technical equipment and trained observers ( military pilots ). They do not see these devices heating up via friction with our atmosphere when traveling at five or six times the speed of sound. They can do this using a different science.
Eh, Mick West usually very polite and doesn't really attack. He may not be a accredited scientist but he's a pretty smart engineer and dues awesome due diligence and experiments. I like Avi but construing opposing view points as attacks is a bit thin skinned. It would be good to hear from Mick on this channel somet.
2nd 🥈 on the scene! A JMG & an Anton Petrov video within the same hour; we are so fortunate to have access to these wonderful videos!
What Avi says about the Ukrainian objects makes sense. But I am interested in the comments around an object that blocks light must interact with air. Many of the descriptions of UAP encounters describe them behaving in ways that defies our current understanding of physics. The 5 observables. So we know that a strong field can bend or deflect light. Gravitational lensing for instance. So is it possible for an object to appear to be blocking light when in fact it is bending it? This next bit is pure speculation, but to me the one solution that might fit the 5 observables is a technology that can create a field around an object that creates a bubble within which matter is altered and its mass becomes zero or near zero. Could manipulation of the Higgs field create something like this for instance? Within the bubble matter becomes more like light, or holographic matter. This might be able to bend or scatter light through the interaction of the field rather than interaction with holographic matter? With zero mass holographic matter would carry no momentum and would have little ineraction with other baryonic matter? Hence no sonic boom, no friction, no splash when entering or leaving water. Would need very little power to accelerate instantly to very high velocities. I think this kind of technology would also provide ability to travel safely through interstellar space, and provide a great defensive mechanism. Craft becomes invulnerable while field is on? Of coursebI don't know if this is even possible, but it is the kind of technology that fits the 5 observables. Am interested in how the UAP story unfolds going forward and if good evidence can be found or otherwise.
"You don't stand on the top of carcasses of millions of years of evolution by being meek.", Isaac Arthur.
I firmly believe that if a civilization that survive for millions of years, chances are, they are peaceful amongst their own and to their pet.
We wouldn't even be considered a threat, in comparison. Perhaps up to a point.
That said, Avi's optimist outlook does not diminish my respect to him and his work. Thank you for the video!
With our understanding of physics Abi stated. Now there’s an open mind.
Avi, one question on the Ukrainian UAPs: If what you're saying is that the data was wrong and should be 10x smaller than the researchers thought; your point being that if their data was suggesting these are both moving at such high speeds that they could easily leave orbit into space, and that they were not emitting light. (The latter point is not one you address at all.) Well, you're right, but the question is if these objects are in fact 10x faster and larger than your formula rules, wouldn't their technology that can avoid 'the fireball' you mention be so advanced that it can do many things we can't imagine?
I don't understand Avi's comment at 5:34 Titanium has a lower atomic mass than iron.
If Avi is going to judge something by what he thinks to be possible and impossible, he's never going to find what he's searching for if it hit him on the head.
Passive aggressive resistance to the idea of extraterrestrial entities, more advanced than us, are here successfully playing peek-a-boo with humans, is strong.
Oh good. Love these conversation with Avi. Always very interesting. 👋. thanks again for another wonderful episode!
I love how he explains the movement of the artillery shells My science teacher in sixth grade explained the exact same phenomena.
The problem was when two observatories saw the same object hundreds of miles apart moving between the two within a second or two.
Their method for tracking/triangulating distance is not nearly as "faulty" as Loeb claims...not only that...even if it failed to triangulate well on any one given time, they made these observations with TONS of objects over extended periods of time.
I’ve seen the unexplainable…twice.
Avi's smart!!!! I thought that the UFOs don't make sonic booms.
Always great to hear Avi and yourself together. Looking forward to listening to this one before bed tonight.
Pretty much 1 hour of him ranting. He is an amazing scientist, but it feels like this video was him venting his frustrations.
Avi is the best to listen to
Love Dr. Avi Loeb! Such a knowledgeable man. Always good to see him here.
I'd love to see some timestamps on this channel as well
Zwicky WAS canceled in his day. He discovered neutron stars while working down the hall from Oppenheimer…who got the credit 5 years later.
Good conversation. Artillery doesn't move at a constant rate, a constant trajectory perhaps yes, but the rate of movement through its vertical parallax is affected by many factors.
Avi is certainly talking sense..love his explanations.
Just look out of an airplane ...every think stands still
Wow! Avi is so confident and nonchalant when discussing the potential of artificial origin for this meteorite. I don’t think he is crazy, I think he truly follows the science before he speaks. More to come…
Will someone ask Dr, Loeb if UAP could be projections into our familiar 3D+T space of higher dimensional objects. They don't appear to experience drag.
This guy seems like an egomaniac. His entire monologue about the Ukrainian uap is dismissive and insulting of the Ukrainian scientists and glorifying of his own amazing insight, genius, and logic. His conclusion is correct of course but the way he presents it and himself makes me want to disagree out of disgust alone.
After reading the three body problem series, I am no longer afraid of being alone in the universe.
The thing is, independent study by Ukrainian astronomers is done BEFORE russian military offensive, so the "artillery shells" over Kiev is not correct assumption.
Falling into Event Horizon is quite simply bliss…. Happy to be stuck here for eternity
Avi Loeb is the coolest scientist/astrophysicist on the planet.....and I have evidence to back that up. Just listen to his podcasts on Event Horizon.
Positive waves, gang. Thanks again.
Top quality entertainment right there! Thank you so much John for an hour well spent.