Very likely, who knows what's out there. The universe is so vast we have barely scratched the surface when it comes to searching for alien technosignatures, signals or necro-signatures.
Hi John! I'd love to think so. We'll have to keep searching until we know. Exciting times. The race is on to AGI, alien contact, fusion, life extension. Hoping all the above will help us solve climate change and war before we self destruct.
Sometimes I wonder if they declassified UFOs and such to get some people ready for the fact that there is life out there. I say some people because there are some people who can’t fathom they aren’t the most intelligent. It will throw world religions into chaos. I still say the Mars rock found in the 90’s did show fossilized bacteria. I thought it was hushed up because of religious delusions. Science people are more willing to accept aliens as fact. Just my two cents. Not trying to be a conspiracy nut!!
I don't think we will find any evidence of alien life until we can easily carry out interplanetary travel. When we can casually put boots on places like mars and properly explore it that will tell us how common life is. Right now we have a sample size of one. If we find evidence of life on other bodies in the solar system that will tell us that it is common. Right now I think the best bet looking for alien tech would be the moon. It will be more reasonably preserved and It's also something we have the ability to do now.
What a fantastic end of year treat. These interviews with Dr. Loeb have each _always_ been everything I went in hoping for and more. And this one was no exception, it was superb, and very fascinating. Thanks as always, Event Horizon squad ♥️🌌
Fantastic interview. After decades of hearing theories that may never be proven which is more like philosophy or theology than science, it's so damn refreshing to hear such a clear minded and logical scientific approach. Thank you Dr Loeb.
I love each conversation of yours and Dr. Avi Loeb. His arguments are so logical and clear. I don´t understand why the other scientists turn around and criticize him. The only thing I can think of is that they envy him. I like the way he thinks and also like your smart questions.
The purpose of science is better questions. Unfortunately, too many, even on the university level, think it is better answers and the recitation of answers. Einstein said the question mark is the sign of genius. Not the "." at the end of an answer.
"Universe is full of life - a competitive environment on a scale you cannot even imagine." I warmly recommend reading - _Life in the Universe_ by Marshall Vian Summers. It's free online!
@@bozo5632 so you think animals that can escape the gravity well of a home planet and travel through radition infested space for lightyears and go to other planets with completely different conditions for a feed unlikely. Me to
@@lucasgibbs4879 I wouldn't rule out panspermia, especially local "pan"spermia. Microbes can survive long space journeys and even reentry. (Zebras wouldn't manage very well.) Probably most would die in most planetary environments, but sometimes some wouldn't. Less so where there was already better-adapted life - they'd likely get eaten pretty quick. I don't know how much life there is or isn't. (My guess is, a lot! Mostly microbes, mostly subterranean on planets with horrible, lifeless surface conditions. Just a guess, no one has any data.) But it's not competing over interstellar or even interplanetary distances. IMHO even advanced spacefaring aliens wouldn't be in competition with each other, probably even if they were immediate neighbors. Everything's just too far away.
As impossible and unlikely as it seems, we have tech flying around our planet that is not from here. And yea, Summers' Life in the Universe is probably the most important book I've ever read.
@@wmanadeau7860 I am with you on that one. Fabulous book and filled with information humanity has wanted to know since people started looking at the night sky imo.
First he says to look out the window if you wanna see your neighbors but then he says to look somewhere quiet for aliens. Well that's like fishing in a desert if we wanna continue the analogies, but if not then that's like looking for Foo Fighters during peace time.
Great interview, JMG! Event Horizon just keeps getting better and better. Thank you! (I used to be 'Montgomery Burns" here on YT... you may remember. Real name is 'Steve'.) 😉
I like to imagine that if you could watch galaxies and the whole universe in the universes timescale, it would be like in a stadium where flashes of intelligent life go of everywhere. But to get two flashes in the same galaxy going of at the exact same time and close to each other might be very rare.
@@bozo5632 brief on a timescale of the universe.. lets say a second in my hypothetical though is about 100 million years, i would call that brief. So if a civilization lasts 10 million years that flash would be a tenth of a second.
@@Makabert.Abylon Alright, why assume very many civs go extinct after merely 10M years? Why not expect them to be semi-permanent? (If 100M years is a second, then the universe is 2.3 minutes old.)
@@bozo5632 what can you find in this entire system that is permanent to give you the sense that that is possible and prevalent compared to life arising everywhere but at different times because the scales are so vast. The Earth is 4.4 billion years old. A billion years is 1 million times 1,000 so that means we would have 4.4 million 1,000 year periods or we could have 1,000 4.4 million year periods. Even if each civilization lasted 4.4 million years you would have a 1 and 1,000 chance to have it be aligned with another technologically advanced civilization. Furthermore, we are a violent monkey descendant that has unlocked the power of the atom. We've had that power for less than 100 years and for most of it we have all been sitting on the edge of our seat waiting for the end of the world to happen at any time. Now imagine we have to deal with that for the next million years. We've only had real solid growth for the last 6 to 12,000 years. Even if you say humans have been around for half a million years. That's still the blink of an eye. If you want to know how we are so sure, go outside find the darkest part of the sky when you're looking through a telescope. Now hold your finger into the sky and think in the darkest part of the sky in a spot the size of your thumbnail being held out at arm's length has 10,000 galaxies in it in a single picture with each Galaxy containing roughly half a billion to a trillion Stars each. Each star that we find has planets. Our star makes up 99.8% of all the mass in our solar system. That tiny .2% is everything else. All of the planets, all of us, all of the ort clouds and comments and asteroids. It's just the leftovers and accretion on large time scales. Every single planet would fit in between the Earth and the Moon. We are so miniscule yet look at how far we've come. But has power proliferates and we get smarter we also get the ability to affect the entire world with the press of a button.
@@kodyhenry7 Most atoms are pretty nearly permanent. The atoms in the solar system probably won't change much in the next twenty billion years. That's about like saying every thing is permanent. The threat of self-induced destruction might not be universal. That might be a primate psychology problem. Some civs might not face those types of threats at all. If, in a ("mere") thousand years, we have thousands of orbital colonies all over the solar system, each more or less self-sufficient, then what would be likely to exterminate (even reckless monkeys like) us in the next half billion years? I can see how adolescent civs might tend to self destruct, but I'd expect most mature ones to last "forever."
The "Tic-Tac" UAP's seen by the Navy would be invisible if they were flying through our solar system because they would be both, too small and too fast.
Gahhhh I respec the hell out of what Avi is doing but my oh my, he is a broken record with the exact same stories, descriptions, updates, and information.
Dr. Avi Loeb is so fun to listen to. He is a person full of hope for big discoveries and trying new things. The earth centric societies we occupy really do need a dose of the big picture from time to time to get us thinking clearly. I also wish for a future where we would spend our military budget on peace and understanding of the universe. Hell, I would settle for NASA having enough funding to launch the SLS and it’s moon program on an accelerated schedule.
I know iv sed it before, but what a great channel, I literally listen every night with one ear bud in and my dreams are full of all things big … many thanks
Wow. Just listened to the Gary Nolan chat...now this. I'm nearly speechless...or should that be wordless? These conversations are so incredibly special. Thank you. Just amazing.
Nolan is the latest from the old TTSA project that was born in the clinton adm and tried to get everyone to say UAP. This had gone on since 2017 and now Nolan is making the rounds on shows all over pushing the new cia threat narrative around UFOS
The Angry Astronaut put out an intriguing video 2 days ago, discussing the history of potential alien signals received here on Earth & speculating that some may have been dismissed too lightly
Lol, Why the Universe May Be Full of Aliens Featuring Dr. Avi Loeb. How popular is Dr Loeb if all aliens in the universe are featuring him in their signals? That joke aside. Your doing an awsome job Mr Godier. Keep it up.
We are forgetting or Not focused - that We Will Know Nothing, Until We realized that the visible Aliens are Controlling Us, as Corporations (Who Have More Rights Than Humans) We Came To this Planet Through Portals From Other Universities & The Circle of Life Never Ends (But the Vehicle Bodies DO) The Astrology Chart Represents our Traveling Maps & The Kundalini is The Connection To The Past & Future. Think About, We can’t Focus On the Fact That We Even have a Brain or Why We Are Even Here 🔥🤮🤯 Nothing is Impossible 🤗
Conversation between two people on seeing the Montgolfier balloon for the first time . ' Jeez ! That's funny looking swamp gas ! And it looks like there are people in it !! ' ......' Yeah ! And there's no swamps around here either ! '
Dr Avi Loeb is one of my favorite guests! I really like his prospective and the theories he puts out there. He's leading the way in the hunt for extraterrestrials. I can't wait to hear more about the mission to recover the potential interstellar object that crashed on earth! In the meantime I guess I should fire up the bong and fall into... The event horizon 👽
7:33 I am not thrilled and honestly quite terrified at the idea of AI deciding what medications I can and can't receive. AI filling prescriptions sure, if it means I won't have to wait 4 to 48 hours for walgreens to fill my script that's great, but I will always want an actual human controlling what I'm prescribed.
I love that Professor Loeb has been able to confront so much criticism and ridicule with courage. He has not backed down an inch and has doubled down. I admire him.
I remain agnostic. I've seen nothing to convince me life isn't common, but neither have I seen anything to convince me it is. Till I see receipts I'm sitting on the fence.
Same here. It also seems people are very susceptible to making emotional appeals to life being common or even here among us currently, so receipts are absolutely needed.
Its strange how certain people are there is life or not I feel the universe seems to always surprise us but thats only because we presume to much. I reckon life is out there but technology will be rare. Maybe dinosaurs are really common and its rare that they get wiped out to leave a little mammal to continue on to evolve into us
Reality is not only stranger then we suppose, but stranger then we CAN suppose. These topics will be approached in years to come with more relevancy as we as humans expand in our own awareness & realize our true nature is beyond that exclusively of the mind like we do in our current limiting predicament. We only access a tiny portion of self potential so for now we’ll never know or measure our true nature, all we can do is be & live from it & from that we’re taking steps toward our evolution in awareness
Brick by brick. There is a lot we don't understand. Humanity is so feeble and miniscule. We have barely existed as a race in the grand scheme. And yet look at all has happened throughout human history. In my 31 years, most of which spent in doubt, what I am now sure of from my experience is that there exist things far greater than ourselves and that we all best humble ourselves quickly. If you want proof ask and search.
John, have you read “we are Bob, we are legion”? Great sci-fi book series based around a von neumann probe implanted with a human consciousness. Definitely worth a read or listen with audible.
43:00 it's interesting that he mentions Ukraine because apparently the high number of military scopes pointed at the sky (for obvious reasons) have picked up a lot of very strange objects over Kiev that would greatly interest Dr. Loeb and all of us who are attracted to this subject.
I like the idea of an AI space probe modeled after my own personality. The tricky part would be somehow training it for long enough that it would predictably make decisions I would approve of. I'm 40 now and I'm running out of time to get started on something like that while still having time to see it actually operate.
At 29:20, I think that dismissing an idea that seems on its face to be incorrect is not good science. Just like we can't dismiss the possibility of Omuamua being a technological relic, we can't dismiss the possibility that it is a comet that behaves in a way that is different from what we expected. Both hypotheses should be examined to an appropriate point that we can make a more solid determination of what further inquiry to pursue.
👽Another amazing discussion JMG, producing thought provoking ideas from listening to Dr. Avi Loeb speak his thoughts. As Dr. Loeb states towards the end of the video, psychology in how we think may lead to the answers we are looking for in physic equations. I also agree that going back in time is almost impossible, whereas we would have to undo/reverse every 'single photon connection' made in 'everything' that has led us to the present where we are this very moment, which is almost impossible. For argument sake if we did, would the same connections be made exactly the same? thus leading you back to the future/present where you originally started from?. It is true however that we 'can' only see back in time to the beginning because the photons are constantly giving us updates to the progress of the connections being made far out in the distance that we will be able to see come together. A billion years from now, we will have a clearer picture in focus what has happened. The problem is we have a limited amount of time before we come face to face with Andromeda, not to mention the Sun's expansion rate. Don't forget that Earth already has gone through at least five major ice ages. The earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today. Currently, we are in a warm 'interglacial' period which began about 11,000 years ago that is going to have drastic global climactic implications, we know it's coming, it's not really our fault regardless what people say. I do however agree we need to do a better job with our garbage, but that's not this point. My point is some kind of 'human' civilization could have already left Earth 100 million years ago or longer. As Dr. Loeb mentions we should look for signs in the deep oceans or Antarctica for possible proof. I do believe something is out there, because nobody from Earth can explain to me what I saw, therefore I can only reply to my own questions to get the correct answer, and that's good enough for me. People do need to stop their arguing about 'stupidity' and focus on a common goal as to where do we go from here/Earth. Going back in video time, I think quantum gravity entanglement will eventually get us closer to the answers we need and possibly into the 4th dimension. We have a long way to go, and a lot to learn about the magnetic frequency of our universe. Cheers Blessings 🛸
Do you really think that Ukranians wouldn't prefer to do science rather than fight?! You talk about that war like it is a border conflict! They're trying to survive!
I love this channel. I love science and futurism and I have an extremely open mind when it comes to most ideas that are considered 'fringe'. But unlike most commenters, I am NOT a fan of Avi. He preaches - with religious conviction - this notion of human stupidity and human arrogance. He is convinced that technological life is prevalent without any proof and blanket accuses any and all who dare to question it as believing that "humans are special" or "humans are the smartest kid on the block". He's cynical about humanity, and he's been so focused for so long on wild ideas that he appears to have closed his mind to everything else. Just my (apparently unpopular) opinion.
As humans, our greatest confusion (downfall in observation) is to call our classification of a thing a known fact. When we get beyond this we can start to clear away our self imposed (mental and physical) blindness and see things for what they are.
But our computer is our computer. We are not our bodies; we are consciousness/soul. Thank you Great interview! Avi is an event opening up new horizons for us All!
What energy sources could self replicating cubesats/VonNeuman probes use to escape gravity & move on from a mined asteroid/exoplanet or its moons to other destinations ?
Why is this episode locked on Spotify? It pains me to have to watch it on RUclips. RUclips demonetizes content to boost their profits and limit free speech.
I think sometimes we overestimate ourself what we can achieve in the future. For example 50-70 years ago we imagined flying cars, colonized moon/mars, nuclear reactor driven vehicles, realistic 3D holograms and so on... Yet the reality is always more prosaic, even if we know that there is a lot of development. I am not 100% convinced that many of our present visions are not the similar epecially with Ai.
You know it's gonna be a good bedtime time story when Avi is the guest, John I gotta say I really do not care what you two are talking about for all I care it could be the integral functions of a washing maschine, it would still be entertaining and informing. Keep em coming!
Avi puts me to sleep He’s constantly telling the same old story in order to raise money for his dead duck science projects as he turfs funds into a Caribbean bank account 😅😅😅😅
Listened to this during the journey to deliver presents to Hutton Orbital (ED) - perfect length for the 0.2 Lightyear journey from Alpha to Proxima Centuri
what a surprise Dr. Avi spending half of the podcast badmouthing his colleagues for using Occam's razor, suggesting that a theory that Omuamua is a comet with a non visible tail when we managed to observe it, is the equivalent of Insisting an Elephant is a Zebra.... what? that analogy makes no sense whatsoever, is oumuamua the Elephant in the zoo? so you and almost every human knows exactly what Omuamua is? and merely suggesting a far more plausible theory to his own is moronic... how incredibly rude, arrogant and completely uninformed statement since according to Avi it was his reaction without any examination. he apparently is so far above his colleagues that a title of a theory is quite enough for him deam worthless.
This incredibly hypocritical and unscientific behavior comes up in every single interview he finds himself in. I cant speak on Avi's technical abilities, but what is painfully obvious is that his grasp on foundational scientific principles is ether shockingly awful, or he is intentionally ignoring them for personal gain if that wasn't enough he continuously insults his colleagues and wider scientific establishment for following the very principles that has been crucial for establishing objective truth and is the very foundation for experimental science. I assume he does this because those very principals discredit his place as the "celerity scientist" that might have discovered the first sign of alien life Does he at least use his ill gotten fame to promote science in general? no, he keeps sowing doubt and distrust in the public perception of science and scientist that are actually working to expand human knowledge and working for a better tomorrow for all of us but Dr. Avi has books to sell and his celebrity status to defend so why would he care. hope all that attention from people that don’t know any better feels good since you have lost all respect from your peers with growing disdain for how you conduct yourself after years of him infecting my podcast feed with self-indulgent, rude and arrogant behavior I am done with him and anyone that deems his behavior expectable since they cant be worth listening to if they cant see Avi for what he really is
We are actual in a state were even asking the question "could this object be an artifact of alien origin?" is considered crazy. So only very few people with the right skillset are even looking into it. NASA went from "lets get humans on every planet as fast as possible", to "Bringing humans 400 km above ocean level is far enough.". We need to be more brave again, in formulating ideas and exploring the unknown.
I really like the idea of a database/record of us out there. We did the Golden disks but this, nowadays, could have everything. Maybe not quite everything. That thought is beautiful still though.
Avi Loeb is one of my favorite scientists. However, I have to question his assertion that small CUBE-SATS would be able to land on a foreign body, and then set about replicating itself by using the materials extant on said planetary object. How in the world could a small 'bot' manufacture all the required materials necessary to create another copy of itself? I don't care how clever it is, how could it recreate all the necessary parts when those same parts require entire manufacturing plants here on earth...the very plants required to manufacture the CUBE-SAT itself. Wires/smelting processes/plastics and extruders/capacitors/ceramics/glass/lasers, and so many other electronic parts (and that would just be few of the components needed from the required/various industries to establish the necessary technologies to make such an endeavor feasible/worthwhile), et cetera, et cetera; the 'wish-list' is fairly endless. And all these required technologies are supposed to be manufactured johnny-on-the-spot? Please explain/elaborate...
You are referring to the end stage which is more like a self replicating machine. If it takes 1000 years to achieve that then that is still a technological marvel. If within the next 25 years the first incarnation of the small cube Sats in the hundreds up to say 1000 you still better than none at all. Initially the idea won't be to have them crash on planets. I will give a very rough comparison technology. Do you have running shoes? Imagine having been born 1000 years ago. What kind of shoes would you have? Would you have more than one pair of shoes? What about being born 5000 years ago. You can keep scaling as far back as you want. Or scale forward or use other examples
I just had a very weird thought. Maybe reverse time travel is impossible for the same fundamental reason seeing inside a black hole is impossible. If you subscribe to the Many Worlds hypothesis, wherein quantum waveforms never collapse, but they just branch out as they entangle with each other, then every point in spacetime is functionally a singularity from which emanates countless alternate timelines at each instant. Maybe reverse time travel is impossible because it would require exposure to the spacetime singularities from which your current material existence derives.
Certainly if you watch/listen to Loeb's many discourses there is a lot of repetition. That doesn't bother me because it does emphasize the core thesis & ideas which drive his scientific investigations, & he delivers his message to differing audiences at different times. I admire his lack of fear at criticism directed from other mainstream astrophysicists who object to his investigations into the possibility that some of our discoveries may be of alien origin.
Dr. Loeb is a scientist who uses the security of his tentured position as it was intended: As the freedom to explore new ideas in a structured, well argumented way. Responsibly exploring the borderlands of our collective knowledge, where the road most traveled comes to an end. Going where the known meets the unknown, without losing sight of the former. I would say that this makes him a rare, valuable exception; Most scientists will have long since lost the kind of innate curiosity he has, by the time they're finally able to challenge and test orthodox thinking in this kind of way.
Do you think our Galaxy is full of Alien tech?
Let John know down below.
Very likely, who knows what's out there. The universe is so vast we have barely scratched the surface when it comes to searching for alien technosignatures, signals or necro-signatures.
Hi John! I'd love to think so. We'll have to keep searching until we know. Exciting times. The race is on to AGI, alien contact, fusion, life extension. Hoping all the above will help us solve climate change and war before we self destruct.
I'm waiting to see what they find on Europa. Full of space whales, then aliens are probably common. Nothing but brine... Maybe not.
Yes - have you seen Star Trek - Come on man! Take V-Ger for instance - and that's almost real! ':-}
Sometimes I wonder if they declassified UFOs and such to get some people ready for the fact that there is life out there. I say some people because there are some people who can’t fathom they aren’t the most intelligent. It will throw world religions into chaos. I still say the Mars rock found in the 90’s did show fossilized bacteria. I thought it was hushed up because of religious delusions. Science people are more willing to accept aliens as fact. Just my two cents. Not trying to be a conspiracy nut!!
Love seeing my friends Avi and John together! *Will we have proof of alien life in 2023?*
Looking forward to sharing you and John's recent chat! Happy holidays!
YOU ARE THE PROOF...YOUR DNA IS NOT FROM THIS ROCK !!
I don't think we will find any evidence of alien life until we can easily carry out interplanetary travel. When we can casually put boots on places like mars and properly explore it that will tell us how common life is. Right now we have a sample size of one. If we find evidence of life on other bodies in the solar system that will tell us that it is common.
Right now I think the best bet looking for alien tech would be the moon. It will be more reasonably preserved and It's also something we have the ability to do now.
@@Bitchslapper316 the evidence is all around us every day trickle down disclosure everywhere
No
Same answer next year also.
"Extraordinary evidence require extraordinary funding". Loved it.
What a fantastic end of year treat. These interviews with Dr. Loeb have each _always_ been everything I went in hoping for and more. And this one was no exception, it was superb, and very fascinating. Thanks as always, Event Horizon squad ♥️🌌
I wish I could hit the like button multiple times on John’s videos. Most consistently good content on the internet.
Hit it an uneven number of times and it's ok 🙃
I settled for one like, Avi always has me captured and rethinking things. we need more like him
Another absolutely fantastic issue of the Event horizon! Thank you, John and Avi.
It always makes my day to hear Dr. Loeb and John have another mind-blowing conversation!
Fantastic interview. After decades of hearing theories that may never be proven which is more like philosophy or theology than science, it's so damn refreshing to hear such a clear minded and logical scientific approach. Thank you Dr Loeb.
That's so well said. I couldn't agree more 🤜🤛
I love each conversation of yours and Dr. Avi Loeb. His arguments are so logical and clear. I don´t understand why the other scientists turn around and criticize him. The only thing I can think of is that they envy him. I like the way he thinks and also like your smart questions.
The purpose of science is better questions. Unfortunately, too many, even on the university level, think it is better answers and the recitation of answers. Einstein said the question mark is the sign of genius. Not the "." at the end of an answer.
Avi is essentially a co-host, at this point! 😁 Great discussion, gentlemen!
Dr Loeb was the guest on the first show i listened to and i was hooked since. Always glad to see him on channel. Excited to see what copernicus can do
Please donate to him. Every penny counts 😅!!!
The good news: the universe is full of aliens.
The bad news: They're _Aliens._
Always a pleasure to see Avi on the show
These two gentlemens ability to discuss theories of quantum physics and general relativity in a regular joes venacular is amazing.
Dr. Loeb is on!! What a perfect Christmas gift! He is my favorite guest on the channel.
Space Archaeology!
"Universe is full of life - a competitive environment on a scale you cannot even imagine."
I warmly recommend reading - _Life in the Universe_ by Marshall Vian Summers. It's free online!
Hard to compete imho over such distances and time scales. Do mice in New Zealand compete with mice in Iceland?
@@bozo5632 so you think animals that can escape the gravity well of a home planet and travel through radition infested space for lightyears and go to other planets with completely different conditions for a feed unlikely. Me to
@@lucasgibbs4879 I wouldn't rule out panspermia, especially local "pan"spermia. Microbes can survive long space journeys and even reentry. (Zebras wouldn't manage very well.) Probably most would die in most planetary environments, but sometimes some wouldn't.
Less so where there was already better-adapted life - they'd likely get eaten pretty quick.
I don't know how much life there is or isn't. (My guess is, a lot! Mostly microbes, mostly subterranean on planets with horrible, lifeless surface conditions. Just a guess, no one has any data.) But it's not competing over interstellar or even interplanetary distances. IMHO even advanced spacefaring aliens wouldn't be in competition with each other, probably even if they were immediate neighbors. Everything's just too far away.
As impossible and unlikely as it seems, we have tech flying around our planet that is not from here.
And yea, Summers' Life in the Universe is probably the most important book I've ever read.
@@wmanadeau7860 I am with you on that one. Fabulous book and filled with information humanity has wanted to know since people started looking at the night sky imo.
First he says to look out the window if you wanna see your neighbors but then he says to look somewhere quiet for aliens. Well that's like fishing in a desert if we wanna continue the analogies, but if not then that's like looking for Foo Fighters during peace time.
Great interview, JMG! Event Horizon just keeps getting better and better. Thank you! (I used to be 'Montgomery Burns" here on YT... you may remember. Real name is 'Steve'.) 😉
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Time to get the popcorn ready and fall into the event horizon 🍿👽
I like to imagine that if you could watch galaxies and the whole universe in the universes timescale, it would be like in a stadium where flashes of intelligent life go of everywhere. But to get two flashes in the same galaxy going of at the exact same time and close to each other might be very rare.
What makes you think they're brief?
IMHO, once a sufficiently capable civilization is established, it can be hard to get rid of.
@@bozo5632 brief on a timescale of the universe.. lets say a second in my hypothetical though is about 100 million years, i would call that brief. So if a civilization lasts 10 million years that flash would be a tenth of a second.
@@Makabert.Abylon Alright, why assume very many civs go extinct after merely 10M years? Why not expect them to be semi-permanent?
(If 100M years is a second, then the universe is 2.3 minutes old.)
@@bozo5632 what can you find in this entire system that is permanent to give you the sense that that is possible and prevalent compared to life arising everywhere but at different times because the scales are so vast. The Earth is 4.4 billion years old. A billion years is 1 million times 1,000 so that means we would have 4.4 million 1,000 year periods or we could have 1,000 4.4 million year periods. Even if each civilization lasted 4.4 million years you would have a 1 and 1,000 chance to have it be aligned with another technologically advanced civilization. Furthermore, we are a violent monkey descendant that has unlocked the power of the atom. We've had that power for less than 100 years and for most of it we have all been sitting on the edge of our seat waiting for the end of the world to happen at any time. Now imagine we have to deal with that for the next million years. We've only had real solid growth for the last 6 to 12,000 years. Even if you say humans have been around for half a million years. That's still the blink of an eye. If you want to know how we are so sure, go outside find the darkest part of the sky when you're looking through a telescope. Now hold your finger into the sky and think in the darkest part of the sky in a spot the size of your thumbnail being held out at arm's length has 10,000 galaxies in it in a single picture with each Galaxy containing roughly half a billion to a trillion Stars each. Each star that we find has planets. Our star makes up 99.8% of all the mass in our solar system. That tiny .2% is everything else. All of the planets, all of us, all of the ort clouds and comments and asteroids. It's just the leftovers and accretion on large time scales. Every single planet would fit in between the Earth and the Moon. We are so miniscule yet look at how far we've come. But has power proliferates and we get smarter we also get the ability to affect the entire world with the press of a button.
@@kodyhenry7 Most atoms are pretty nearly permanent. The atoms in the solar system probably won't change much in the next twenty billion years. That's about like saying every thing is permanent.
The threat of self-induced destruction might not be universal. That might be a primate psychology problem. Some civs might not face those types of threats at all.
If, in a ("mere") thousand years, we have thousands of orbital colonies all over the solar system, each more or less self-sufficient, then what would be likely to exterminate (even reckless monkeys like) us in the next half billion years?
I can see how adolescent civs might tend to self destruct, but I'd expect most mature ones to last "forever."
Awesome, I love when you talk to Dr. Loeb
Can’t wait to watch this when I get home! Thanks Event Horizon!!
What a pair these two make. A intriguing hour and a half
The "Tic-Tac" UAP's seen by the Navy would be invisible if they were flying through our solar system because they would be both, too small and too fast.
Avi is very interesting to listen to, thanks!
Gahhhh I respec the hell out of what Avi is doing but my oh my, he is a broken record with the exact same stories, descriptions, updates, and information.
he should start writing fiction in his free time since he is not getting anywhere close to discovering something interesting
My favourite episodes with Dr Avi Loeb! Yeeey!
Dr. Avi Loeb is so fun to listen to. He is a person full of hope for big discoveries and trying new things. The earth centric societies we occupy really do need a dose of the big picture from time to time to get us thinking clearly. I also wish for a future where we would spend our military budget on peace and understanding of the universe. Hell, I would settle for NASA having enough funding to launch the SLS and it’s moon program on an accelerated schedule.
Great episode! Avi Loeb is my favorite guest and I always love to hear John interview him. Thanks!
I wish avi Loeb would come up with new talking points. I've heard it all 100 times
I know iv sed it before, but what a great channel, I literally listen every night with one ear bud in and my dreams are full of all things big … many thanks
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
"Extraordinary evidence requires extraordinary funding." - Avi Loeb
Wow. Just listened to the Gary Nolan chat...now this. I'm nearly speechless...or should that be wordless? These conversations are so incredibly special. Thank you. Just amazing.
Nolan is the latest from the old TTSA project that was born in the clinton adm and tried to get everyone to say UAP. This had gone on since 2017 and now Nolan is making the rounds on shows all over pushing the new cia threat narrative around UFOS
The Angry Astronaut put out an intriguing video 2 days ago, discussing the history of potential alien signals received here on Earth & speculating that some may have been dismissed too lightly
Can you ask your guest to use some sound foam or a blanket behind them some echo
I like Avi!
This gonna take a dozen nights to get through!
It’s always gonna be a good one when Dr. Loeb is on!
Extraordinary evidence will only be found by way of an extraordinary search. Great episode....thanks.
I take everything Loeb says with a barrel of salt.
Look I am not saying its aliens but....... its aliens
@@lucasgibbs4879 Hope not - I HATE THE IDEA OF ENCOUNTERING ALIENS! INVEST IN PLANET EARTH. TERRAFORM EARTH!
Yep!
Lol, Why the Universe May Be Full of Aliens Featuring Dr. Avi Loeb. How popular is Dr Loeb if all aliens in the universe are featuring him in their signals? That joke aside. Your doing an awsome job Mr Godier. Keep it up.
Excellent interview. Hopefully we will have disclosure soon.
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Disclosing what? The fact that we have zero evidence for ET and plenty of evidence for Natcissitic, ego religions? 😅😅😅😅
We are forgetting or Not focused - that We Will Know Nothing,
Until We realized that the visible Aliens are Controlling Us, as Corporations (Who Have More Rights Than Humans)
We Came To this Planet Through Portals From Other Universities & The Circle of Life Never Ends (But the Vehicle Bodies DO)
The Astrology Chart Represents our Traveling Maps & The Kundalini is The Connection To The Past & Future.
Think About, We can’t Focus On the Fact That We Even have a Brain or Why We Are Even Here 🔥🤮🤯
Nothing is Impossible 🤗
I love dr. Loeb so much. Thanks, JMG, for this wonderful episode (as usual).
Love your content.
Sincere thanks for staying strong and confusing to post... Sometimes I rail but you remain steadfast, professional and kind... Again, thanks.
I can’t wait till Avi is shown his own UFO footage and he’s like, “holy shit, known physics very broken”
Conversation between two people on seeing the Montgolfier balloon for the first time .
' Jeez ! That's funny looking swamp gas ! And it looks like there are people in it !! ' ......' Yeah ! And there's no swamps around here either ! '
Please don't follow Avi Loeb's suggestion and actually use a telescope to look out your window at your neighbors. 😉
Avi is illuminating and fun to learn from.
Dr Avi Loeb is one of my favorite guests! I really like his prospective and the theories he puts out there. He's leading the way in the hunt for extraterrestrials. I can't wait to hear more about the mission to recover the potential interstellar object that crashed on earth! In the meantime I guess I should fire up the bong and fall into... The event horizon 👽
Have a good one Sherpa.
I just did the same!!
7:33 I am not thrilled and honestly quite terrified at the idea of AI deciding what medications I can and can't receive. AI filling prescriptions sure, if it means I won't have to wait 4 to 48 hours for walgreens to fill my script that's great, but I will always want an actual human controlling what I'm prescribed.
I love that Professor Loeb has been able to confront so much criticism and ridicule with courage. He has not backed down an inch and has doubled down. I admire him.
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I remain agnostic. I've seen nothing to convince me life isn't common, but neither have I seen anything to convince me it is. Till I see receipts I'm sitting on the fence.
Same here. It also seems people are very susceptible to making emotional appeals to life being common or even here among us currently, so receipts are absolutely needed.
Its strange how certain people are there is life or not I feel the universe seems to always surprise us but thats only because we presume to much. I reckon life is out there but technology will be rare. Maybe dinosaurs are really common and its rare that they get wiped out to leave a little mammal to continue on to evolve into us
Reality is not only stranger then we suppose, but stranger then we CAN suppose. These topics will be approached in years to come with more relevancy as we as humans expand in our own awareness & realize our true nature is beyond that exclusively of the mind like we do in our current limiting predicament. We only access a tiny portion of self potential so for now we’ll never know or measure our true nature, all we can do is be & live from it & from that we’re taking steps toward our evolution in awareness
We are here . That should tell you everything
Brick by brick.
There is a lot we don't understand. Humanity is so feeble and miniscule.
We have barely existed as a race in the grand scheme. And yet look at all has happened throughout human history.
In my 31 years, most of which spent in doubt, what I am now sure of from my experience is that there exist things far greater than ourselves and that we all best humble ourselves quickly.
If you want proof ask and search.
Ah, cool. Avi is one of my favorites!
John, have you read “we are Bob, we are legion”?
Great sci-fi book series based around a von neumann probe implanted with a human consciousness. Definitely worth a read or listen with audible.
This is the good stuff
Thanks for watching Jim!
Neil Armstrong -- when he set foot on the Moon - he embodied the proof of extra-terrestrial intelligent life.
43:00 it's interesting that he mentions Ukraine because apparently the high number of military scopes pointed at the sky (for obvious reasons) have picked up a lot of very strange objects over Kiev that would greatly interest Dr. Loeb and all of us who are attracted to this subject.
He looked at the data and concluded it was miscalculated. It’s either bugs or something else manmade like mortar rounds.
@@EventHorizonShow glad he looked into it, thanks for the reply. You guys rock.
I like the idea of an AI space probe modeled after my own personality. The tricky part would be somehow training it for long enough that it would predictably make decisions I would approve of. I'm 40 now and I'm running out of time to get started on something like that while still having time to see it actually operate.
If you're a typical 40 year old American, you could easily have 40 years left, not a one of them wasted going through puberty's insanity. Get busy.
A space probe modeled upon my personality!?!? Lord help the universe!
At 29:20, I think that dismissing an idea that seems on its face to be incorrect is not good science. Just like we can't dismiss the possibility of Omuamua being a technological relic, we can't dismiss the possibility that it is a comet that behaves in a way that is different from what we expected. Both hypotheses should be examined to an appropriate point that we can make a more solid determination of what further inquiry to pursue.
If you can't find a paper where one planet does a flyby of another planet then you are infested with aliens
You can beat a bit of Dr Loeb and John discussing ET’s 👏🏻
Where can one look up the basic specs of the sensor? Is the data published somewhere?
👽Another amazing discussion JMG, producing thought provoking ideas from listening to Dr. Avi Loeb speak his thoughts. As Dr. Loeb states towards the end of the video, psychology in how we think may lead to the answers we are looking for in physic equations. I also agree that going back in time is almost impossible, whereas we would have to undo/reverse every 'single photon connection' made in 'everything' that has led us to the present where we are this very moment, which is almost impossible. For argument sake if we did, would the same connections be made exactly the same? thus leading you back to the future/present where you originally started from?. It is true however that we 'can' only see back in time to the beginning because the photons are constantly giving us updates to the progress of the connections being made far out in the distance that we will be able to see come together. A billion years from now, we will have a clearer picture in focus what has happened. The problem is we have a limited amount of time before we come face to face with Andromeda, not to mention the Sun's expansion rate. Don't forget that Earth already has gone through at least five major ice ages. The earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today. Currently, we are in a warm 'interglacial' period which began about 11,000 years ago that is going to have drastic global climactic implications, we know it's coming, it's not really our fault regardless what people say. I do however agree we need to do a better job with our garbage, but that's not this point. My point is some kind of 'human' civilization could have already left Earth 100 million years ago or longer. As Dr. Loeb mentions we should look for signs in the deep oceans or Antarctica for possible proof. I do believe something is out there, because nobody from Earth can explain to me what I saw, therefore I can only reply to my own questions to get the correct answer, and that's good enough for me. People do need to stop their arguing about 'stupidity' and focus on a common goal as to where do we go from here/Earth. Going back in video time, I think quantum gravity entanglement will eventually get us closer to the answers we need and possibly into the 4th dimension. We have a long way to go, and a lot to learn about the magnetic frequency of our universe. Cheers Blessings 🛸
I Love Avi, his determination and commom sense to search and actually do scientific work
Do you really think that Ukranians wouldn't prefer to do science rather than fight?! You talk about that war like it is a border conflict! They're trying to survive!
always enjoy your sessions with Avi. Looking forward to the next one!
I love this channel. I love science and futurism and I have an extremely open mind when it comes to most ideas that are considered 'fringe'. But unlike most commenters, I am NOT a fan of Avi. He preaches - with religious conviction - this notion of human stupidity and human arrogance. He is convinced that technological life is prevalent without any proof and blanket accuses any and all who dare to question it as believing that "humans are special" or "humans are the smartest kid on the block". He's cynical about humanity, and he's been so focused for so long on wild ideas that he appears to have closed his mind to everything else. Just my (apparently unpopular) opinion.
I tend to agree. Worth a listen, and I read his book, but he strikes me that way as well.
Love hearing Dr. Loeb discuss his ideas!
I wonder why Avi Loeb was not featured in The Universe series, his input is so valuable
As humans, our greatest confusion (downfall in observation) is to call our classification of a thing a known fact. When we get beyond this we can start to clear away our self imposed (mental and physical) blindness and see things for what they are.
Avi Lobe is the antithesis of Cool Worlds RUclips channel.
Gotta love the scientific Tug-of-War. Battling with concepts and probabilities…
But our computer is our computer. We are not our bodies; we are consciousness/soul. Thank you Great interview! Avi is an event opening up new horizons for us All!
@@brentoncarter4275 so when your body dies, you are no more!?
@@brentoncarter4275 and when you fell in love. You fell in love with a bag of bones and water....how neat and sweet.
What energy sources could self replicating cubesats/VonNeuman probes use to escape gravity & move on from a mined asteroid/exoplanet or its moons to other destinations ?
Love Avi! Keep getting him on
Great!
Why is this episode locked on Spotify? It pains me to have to watch it on RUclips. RUclips demonetizes content to boost their profits and limit free speech.
I think sometimes we overestimate ourself what we can achieve in the future. For example 50-70 years ago we imagined flying cars, colonized moon/mars, nuclear reactor driven vehicles, realistic 3D holograms and so on... Yet the reality is always more prosaic, even if we know that there is a lot of development. I am not 100% convinced that many of our present visions are not the similar epecially with Ai.
Av Loeb is an amazing scientist.
You know it's gonna be a good bedtime time story when Avi is the guest, John I gotta say I really do not care what you two are talking about for all I care it could be the integral functions of a washing maschine, it would still be entertaining and informing. Keep em coming!
Avi puts me to sleep
He’s constantly telling the same old story in order to raise money for his dead duck science projects as he turfs funds into a Caribbean bank account 😅😅😅😅
Listened to this during the journey to deliver presents to Hutton Orbital (ED) - perfect length for the 0.2 Lightyear journey from Alpha to Proxima Centuri
His idea on the cube sats sounds like the paper clip maximizer
what a surprise Dr. Avi spending half of the podcast badmouthing his colleagues for using Occam's razor, suggesting that a theory that Omuamua is a comet with a non visible tail when we managed to observe it, is the equivalent of Insisting an Elephant is a Zebra.... what? that analogy makes no sense whatsoever, is oumuamua the Elephant in the zoo? so you and almost every human knows exactly what Omuamua is? and merely suggesting a far more plausible theory to his own is moronic... how incredibly rude, arrogant and completely uninformed statement since according to Avi it was his reaction without any examination. he apparently is so far above his colleagues that a title of a theory is quite enough for him deam worthless.
This incredibly hypocritical and unscientific behavior comes up in every single interview he finds himself in.
I cant speak on Avi's technical abilities, but what is painfully obvious is that his grasp on foundational scientific principles is ether shockingly awful,
or he is intentionally ignoring them for personal gain
if that wasn't enough he continuously insults his colleagues and wider scientific establishment for following the very principles that has been crucial for establishing objective truth and is the very foundation for experimental science.
I assume he does this because those very principals discredit his place as the "celerity scientist" that might have discovered the first sign of alien life
Does he at least use his ill gotten fame to promote science in general?
no, he keeps sowing doubt and distrust in the public perception of science and scientist that are actually working to expand human knowledge and working for a better tomorrow for all of us
but Dr. Avi has books to sell and his celebrity status to defend so why would he care.
hope all that attention from people that don’t know any better feels good since you have lost all respect from your peers with growing disdain for how you conduct yourself
after years of him infecting my podcast feed with self-indulgent, rude and arrogant behavior I am done with him and anyone that deems his behavior expectable since they cant be worth listening to if they cant see Avi for what he really is
I knew he was going to mention Antarctica.
Your videos are always "must watch", but when I see DR. Loeb's name, it's "must watch now".
Thank you Corrigan!
We are actual in a state were even asking the question "could this object be an artifact of alien origin?" is considered crazy. So only very few people with the right skillset are even looking into it. NASA went from "lets get humans on every planet as fast as possible", to "Bringing humans 400 km above ocean level is far enough.". We need to be more brave again, in formulating ideas and exploring the unknown.
One of the best guests to the show, Dr. Loeb. Awesome sauce!
Funny how Avi is a regular guest and regularly vomits a pre-prepared word salad about ET lol 😂
Keep sending money suckers!!!!!! 😅😅😅😅😅😅🎉
I really like the idea of a database/record of us out there. We did the Golden disks but this, nowadays, could have everything. Maybe not quite everything. That thought is beautiful still though.
Could someone please be so kind to explain to me if negative (periodic) ELEMENTS exist and if they are regarded as dark matter or some other matter?
Avi Loeb is one of my favorite scientists. However, I have to question his assertion that small CUBE-SATS would be able to land on a foreign body, and then set about replicating itself by using the materials extant on said planetary object. How in the world could a small 'bot' manufacture all the required materials necessary to create another copy of itself? I don't care how clever it is, how could it recreate all the necessary parts when those same parts require entire manufacturing plants here on earth...the very plants required to manufacture the CUBE-SAT itself. Wires/smelting processes/plastics and extruders/capacitors/ceramics/glass/lasers, and so many other electronic parts (and that would just be few of the components needed from the required/various industries to establish the necessary technologies to make such an endeavor feasible/worthwhile), et cetera, et cetera; the 'wish-list' is fairly endless. And all these required technologies are supposed to be manufactured johnny-on-the-spot? Please explain/elaborate...
You are referring to the end stage which is more like a self replicating machine. If it takes 1000 years to achieve that then that is still a technological marvel. If within the next 25 years the first incarnation of the small cube Sats in the hundreds up to say 1000 you still better than none at all. Initially the idea won't be to have them crash on planets. I will give a very rough comparison technology. Do you have running shoes? Imagine having been born 1000 years ago. What kind of shoes would you have? Would you have more than one pair of shoes? What about being born 5000 years ago. You can keep scaling as far back as you want. Or scale forward or use other examples
Much better than the David Brin show, humbler guest with better ideas, definite improvement.
I love how Dr Loeb always sounds so cheerful in his voice. If he wasn't Israeli, he could be an honorary Geordie, afflicted with chronic good spirits!
I really enjoy Avi Loeb interviews, thank you.
I just had a very weird thought. Maybe reverse time travel is impossible for the same fundamental reason seeing inside a black hole is impossible. If you subscribe to the Many Worlds hypothesis, wherein quantum waveforms never collapse, but they just branch out as they entangle with each other, then every point in spacetime is functionally a singularity from which emanates countless alternate timelines at each instant. Maybe reverse time travel is impossible because it would require exposure to the spacetime singularities from which your current material existence derives.
no timestamps?
I love episodes with Avi Loeb!
So do we Derek!
Does anyone else find Loeb has the exact same spiel each time he comes on? Am I crazy?
Certainly if you watch/listen to Loeb's many discourses there is a lot of repetition. That doesn't bother me because it does emphasize the core thesis & ideas which drive his scientific investigations, & he delivers his message to differing audiences at different times. I admire his lack of fear at criticism directed from other mainstream astrophysicists who object to his investigations into the possibility that some of our discoveries may be of alien origin.
Dr. Loeb is a scientist who uses the security of his tentured position as it was intended: As the freedom to explore new ideas in a structured, well argumented way. Responsibly exploring the borderlands of our collective knowledge, where the road most traveled comes to an end. Going where the known meets the unknown, without losing sight of the former.
I would say that this makes him a rare, valuable exception; Most scientists will have long since lost the kind of innate curiosity he has, by the time they're finally able to challenge and test orthodox thinking in this kind of way.