You did it!!!!! A more settling answer to The Fermi paradox!…. Get Isaac Arthur to talk to us about it… ….aaaand relax (keep one eye open for possible Opossum shinannigans) :)
Does anyone else have difficulties to understand the dialogue?? The words seem to tumble out too fast and in a very slurred way. The app which creates the automatic subtitles seems to agree with me, and it has trouble to hang in there...
I've recently introduced a friend to our little world here on RUclips. Linking him your channels, along with Isaac's, Cool Worlds etc. I'm doing a degree in astronomy at the age of 39 so i get really excited when i have a friend to talk about these topics with. Anyway i just wanted to say thank you so much. I couldn't have asked for a better collab on a better topic at a better time of year! I have of course linked him this video. Merry Christmas to John and team!
59:12 There is a movie about exactly that called "The gods must be crazy". The film itself is pretty silly, but is a good and simple example of how we may view a piece of alien technology that flies into our solar system by sheer accident.
@@OShackHennessy Yep. It got picked up by a primitive tribesman and soon became an apple of discord between tribes. Pretty much what would happen between nations on Earth. When I started watching The Expanse, that movie immediately cam to mind too.
18:00 Most humans have forgotten where they came from, and for once my philology background is useful! For instance the Polish word for knowledge is "wiedza" (vedza); which is clearly the same root as the Sanskrit word "Veda", which means... knowledge. Moreover, the Polish word for five is "pięć" (peench); which is clearly the same root as the Hindi word for five, which is "panj" (paanch). They're called Indo-European for a reason! Yet there's nary a Pole or Hindu alive who'd tell you they came from the same tribe 8000 years ago, in fact Poland and India are the last two countries in the world you'd think have a common root! Amplify that by a million+ years.
I see so many positive comments, I totally agree, your conversations with Isaac are great, it's one big brain storm of ideas and possibilities, you can tell you both really enjoy talking to each other, like two good buddies talking about their passion without filters. Love listening to your shows in the evening on my airpods, all stress and troubles of the world vanish while going into the Event Horizon with John Michael Godier, once the intro music starts I'm already in deep space ready to listening to a another great episode. Thank you and I wish you all a great year.
English is not my native language and because of that i couldnt follow the other guy.. sorry i only endured 12 minutes of this. Event horizon and john Michael godier are my favourite youtube channels and i watch them immediately after notification keep up the good work
John, you do your best work when you go deep into “what if”. Isaac, thank you for sharing your deep thoughts I will ponder your conversations for a while.
I have to point out that living forever also means _working_ forever. You won't just work for 40 years and then retire for the next thousand years. Your money will still run out just as fast as before if you don't keep working.
Good point, but I'd imagine humanity would be a Post Scarcity civilisation by then, meaning and I could be wrong, but money basically would not exist and neither would work(unless by choice)
@@TagiukGold Aaah ok ok. Im not native English speaker, it sounded like some peculiar Australian heavy accent. God bless Arthur! CC subtitles work very well, great episode!
Oohh yeah!! It's that time of year again! time for our yearly Christmas present from JMG and IA. I've been really looking forward to this 😁 Happy Christmas to everyone at event horizon and the audience, I hope you all have a blessed new year ❤️🎄🎅. Now, it's time to fire up the bong and fall into... The event horizon 👽
Quick answer...no. The best way to survive as a Species in the long term, it's to start as soon as possible, sending micro probes to Intergalactic missions, plus building massive Space telescopes. All seeking planets compatible to Earth, able to sustain Life.
For some reason, when I saw the title of this video I imagined someone asking it impatiently. Like "Will the Sun hurry up and consume the Earth already? I don't have all day!"
14:26: You don't have to "assume" humans have shared ancestry with jellyfish. It is a FACT that we do. And what's more, you can go much further. We share ancestry with EVERYTHING on Earth that uses DNA as a genetic code. Meaning we are akin to even trees and bacteria. Every. SINGLE. Organism that we know about on Earth is related to us, and you merely have to go back in history far enough to find the Last Universal Common Ancestor of us, AND all other living things. That ancestor is some single celled organism that developed DNA. And that single cell is just as much any human's oldest ancestor as it is any bacteria or plant's or jellyfish's. Too many people forget that we humans are not special in any way in this regard.
Omg!!!! Dude!!!! John I found your channel from Isaac Arthur's channel Yeats ago and I have been so happy to see both your channels grow. Love you both. You have no idea how much your videos just chill me out. I don't have noney to join, but I don't adblock your channel and i interact with the ads. Ty for what you do. Is supermind good? I keep wanting to get it.
Staying in our solar system is not a permanent option. I think the technology of self-replicating spacecraft has to be researched and the first craft has to be released into space as soon as AI technology is advanced enough to be on board each ship to simulate and control the mutation of the next generation instead of making it random and unpredictable. They then have to gather all the necessary resources to create a living environment for humans in new solar systems wherever it makes sense.
Regarding O'Neil Cylinders as self contained nature preserves.....I think Isaac is underestimating the difficulty of setting up a truly isolated, functioning ecosystem. Attempts to do that here on Earth, where in theory we have everything we need in case of imminent system collapse have proven very difficult and have ended up necessitating external inputs of additional resources, species diversity, energy, etc. to try and maintain homeostasis after some period of time. Biodome I was one such experiment that comes to mind, but even smaller systems like aquariums can usually only be maintained for some period of time before external inputs become necessary to maintain a healthy balanced environment (water changes, medications, genetic diversity introductions, additional filtration, species introductions, be it denitrifying bacteria at tank set up or scavenger species, or more plants later on, etc. ....) I'm not saying it is impossible, especially if additional resources can be put into the system, only it will be very difficult and much harder than preserving the biosphere here on Earth.
Oh wow, Isaac I didn't know that you are from Northeast Ohio. Welcome from a, I guess, relative neighbor. I've been listening to your channel for quite a while and never knew that you were that close by. Hopefully you're staying warm and hunkering down from the Sub-Zero temperatures. Again, I love your content and everything that the both of yinz put out. Thank you both for being so prolific in the science community. Happy holidays to the two of you. Take care...
20:30 Good points, and there's always the consideration that computers do what they're programmed to do. So, if we program them to find ways to make themselves smarter, they will. If we don't program them to look for certain "solutions", then they won't do so. And then there's the issue of resources. Without external assistance they would be dead in the water.
Love when you 2 guys get together. Actually read a gamelit book involving an A.I that designed a full dive VR with time dilation allowing people to live years of time in a few minutes. It’s a cool concept that I actually believe is possible when the book takes place in the 2060s.
The real problem with the sun is that it's massive enough to form a radiative zone of rock-solid compressed plasma between the core and the convective zone, so the hydrogen in the convective zone can never reach the core to be fused. If there were a way to cut channels through the radiative zone to allow convection to reach the core, everything else would happen automatically -- helium would be flushed out of the core, and hydrogen from the convective zone would be added to the core. Unfortunately there is probably no physically possible way to do such a thing.
John and Isaac. Quite apparently your ideas and open minded ness are not shared among the commentators. I hope you two are never deterred. Together y’all have provided very much excitement to my life, no matter how whimsical some discussions may be!
Thank you, Gentlemen. Always good to hear from you both. We, (those of us in our 50s), probably won't be alive to see the all of the next 100 years, let alone million, unless we master life-extension. But suppose we don't. I wonder if we get to survive in another form, after death, so we can watch how things evolve. My view has nothing to do with religion, or even logic. Just curiosity about what others think. Some one or some "thing" had to have gotten the universe going. I just can't abide by the "something from nothing" theory.
With regards to the question: " What is the most dangerous technological practice that could plausibly threaten humanity?" Ultimately, especially in the long term very high energy Stellar, Galactic Spiral through to Galactic Group level technology poses the greatest threat to the survival of sentient life. In the near term, it might be bio-hacking, from rogue nanotechnology, artifical viral creation through to invasive cybernetics.
I have a suspicion the isolation & self-sufficiency of interstellar spaceflight itself applies a selection pressure on anyone entering the "star traveller" niche such that they convergently become much more difficult to detect for our current instruments. Maybe when you can still thrive in the wilderness between the stars enough to complete extended journeys, the kinds of arrangements we envision as "civilization" become superfluous and constraining, and countless free-living machine entities are happily wandering as they please above our heads right now, exchanging tight-beam chit-chat and love poems and hate screeds, too small and subtle to register in our telescopes. Or maybe not.
Yeah just tried to explain Fermi paradox to my grandson...don't know if I failed or not. I'll keep listening to these programs so as to gain vocabulary.
I think Earth as a planet isn't due for the big Red Giant crematorium for another 4 billion years or so. But as far as current organic life goes, the brightening sun is expected to rewind the biosphere, losing first multicellulars, then Land microbes, then marine microbes. Hardcore extremophile Archaea would be the last to turn out the lights in about a billion as the outward migrating habitable zone puts us in Venusian hot-house mode.
Should future Earthlings worry about the Sun destroying Earth?
"Happy Merry Christmas & Happy new year 2023 ~ ! 💝 💯 👏 🎉 🎃 🙏 🚀 👍 🤖 🎅 ✝ 🎄 🌝 !"
I guess we would have to move the sun closer to a gas field and fuel it up so that it doesn't go nova and cook the Earth to a crisp 🤣
I would be amazed if the Human Race was still around in a couple hundred Million years!! So, No we don't need to worry about it.. :)
You did it!!!!! A more settling answer to The Fermi paradox!….
Get Isaac Arthur to talk to us about it…
….aaaand relax (keep one eye open for possible Opossum shinannigans) :)
Good Grief, billions of years from now? who or what will exist at that time?
It's the most magical time of the year! The annual Isaac Arthur and JMG nerd out!
Why have I missed this.
Welcome
"It's the most magical time of the yeaw".* Autocorrect
I was just about to say the same, you beat me to it!
Hmm wait.. didnt you guys have a talk like this Last Christmas... Nice.. this is now also my Xmas tradition
Your and Isaacs collabs are always the episodes I look forward to the most, two of my favorite channels together, its always a blast!
Does anyone else have difficulties to understand the dialogue?? The words seem to tumble out too fast and in a very slurred way. The app which creates the automatic subtitles seems to agree with me, and it has trouble to hang in there...
Thank you both for your videos. You guys get me through the week. Merry Christmas to you both.
I've recently introduced a friend to our little world here on RUclips. Linking him your channels, along with Isaac's, Cool Worlds etc. I'm doing a degree in astronomy at the age of 39 so i get really excited when i have a friend to talk about these topics with. Anyway i just wanted to say thank you so much. I couldn't have asked for a better collab on a better topic at a better time of year! I have of course linked him this video. Merry Christmas to John and team!
Yeah cool worlds is pretty dope. Good taste fren.
Dope!
59:12 There is a movie about exactly that called "The gods must be crazy". The film itself is pretty silly, but is a good and simple example of how we may view a piece of alien technology that flies into our solar system by sheer accident.
OMG I totally forgot about that movie. Wasn’t it a Coke bottle or something like that? I remember laughing at that movie as a kid.
@@OShackHennessy Yep. It got picked up by a primitive tribesman and soon became an apple of discord between tribes. Pretty much what would happen between nations on Earth. When I started watching The Expanse, that movie immediately cam to mind too.
Rhinos stump out forest fires
What a pleasant, optimistic and interesting chat, thank you guys!
I think we should try surviving this century first, but I like your optimism!=)
That was my first thought
@@vapor4441 At least I know it’s not only me who thinks that way.
I love that you all got right to the point in this one! Too many videos noodle on about nothing for 5 minutes at the beginning.
Yes! Got straight into the hour and a half of incoherent mumbling devoid of any main points!
I look forward to this collaboration every year! Thank you so much Isaac and JMG for continuing the tradition! Wishing you both a happy new year.
So do l buckeye
My two favorite space nerds reunited at last! Thank you both for this legendary collaboration
The best Christmas present is getting Issac Arthur on this podcast!
2023 should be the year you do more frequent collabs! I love how you two are on the same mental wavelength and you explore everything!
Love it when JMG and Isaac team up! Always a great vid!
18:00 Most humans have forgotten where they came from, and for once my philology background is useful! For instance the Polish word for knowledge is "wiedza" (vedza); which is clearly the same root as the Sanskrit word "Veda", which means... knowledge. Moreover, the Polish word for five is "pięć" (peench); which is clearly the same root as the Hindi word for five, which is "panj" (paanch). They're called Indo-European for a reason! Yet there's nary a Pole or Hindu alive who'd tell you they came from the same tribe 8000 years ago, in fact Poland and India are the last two countries in the world you'd think have a common root! Amplify that by a million+ years.
My two favorite RUclipsrs together again.
Thanks!
I love these collaborations
event horizon: *posts video*
me : 😃
event horizon: "feat. Isaac Arthur"
me : 🤩😍👽
I see so many positive comments, I totally agree, your conversations with Isaac are great, it's one big brain storm of ideas and possibilities, you can tell you both really enjoy talking to each other, like two good buddies talking about their passion without filters. Love listening to your shows in the evening on my airpods, all stress and troubles of the world vanish while going into the Event Horizon with John Michael Godier, once the intro music starts I'm already in deep space ready to listening to a another great episode. Thank you and I wish you all a great year.
They are friends before the podcast
The cave painting thing is a good idea
English is not my native language and because of that i couldnt follow the other guy.. sorry i only endured 12 minutes of this.
Event horizon and john Michael godier are my favourite youtube channels and i watch them immediately after notification keep up the good work
Same here but turning on closed captions helps
Isaac Arthur and John together are SCI-FI GOLD!!!
I immediately listen to anything featuring both Isaac Arthur and JMG. Such an iconic duo!
Amen to that
A most magical collab and nerd out between Isaac Arthur and JMG!!! Going to savor this wonderful Holiday gift.
This was a joy to listen to, and quite informative! Thank you for sharing this experience.
John, you do your best work when you go deep into “what if”. Isaac, thank you for sharing your deep thoughts I will ponder your conversations for a while.
I have to point out that living forever also means _working_ forever. You won't just work for 40 years and then retire for the next thousand years. Your money will still run out just as fast as before if you don't keep working.
Good point, but I'd imagine humanity would be a Post Scarcity civilisation by then, meaning and I could be wrong, but money basically would not exist and neither would work(unless by choice)
Unreal......Isaac is back
Talking sun talk. My favorite !!
Love yalls shows, can't wait to hear this year's end of year show
I love when you two are on together, PLEASE DO IT MONTHLY
Two of our favs ! Hope this becomes more common collaboration of these two intellectuals.
Great episode! Merry Christmas, John, Ross, and Eryn, and happy new year!
Happy new year Strick! It's always a pleasure to see you in our comments! ^EK
Big fan of both JMG's and IA's channels. Love your collaboration!
I do love long talks with John and Isaac with some sprinkling of Anna trying to corrupt Isaac and destroy John. 😂
well i made it 15 mins in and fell asleep ... the two of you kill me
You bright back Isaac Arthur
Thanks for the Christmas Gift!
Isaac you've always bolstered my hope regarding the potential of sentient life.
Love Arthur, but sadly need auto generated subtitles 🥲 barely can understand it. Merry Xmass guys! P.s. what is Arthur's accent?
Definitely needed subtitles
Isaac explains it on his channel. He has a speech impediment, and has been in speech therapy for years, with much improvement.
@@TagiukGold Aaah ok ok. Im not native English speaker, it sounded like some peculiar Australian heavy accent. God bless Arthur! CC subtitles work very well, great episode!
Americans say they can’t understand our English accents I’m from England and I can’t understand a word this Issac guy says lol
Oohh yeah!! It's that time of year again! time for our yearly Christmas present from JMG and IA. I've been really looking forward to this 😁 Happy Christmas to everyone at event horizon and the audience, I hope you all have a blessed new year ❤️🎄🎅. Now, it's time to fire up the bong and fall into... The event horizon 👽
"I want to go back to being a calculator" is the AI equivalent of "return to monke!"
An uplifting listen - thank you!
Quick answer...no. The best way to survive as a Species in the long term, it's to start as soon as possible, sending micro probes to Intergalactic missions, plus building massive Space telescopes. All seeking planets compatible to Earth, able to sustain Life.
Been waiting all day for a chance to watch this. It's gonna be epic!
For some reason, when I saw the title of this video I imagined someone asking it impatiently. Like "Will the Sun hurry up and consume the Earth already? I don't have all day!"
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years gentlemen!! Looking forward to 2023 and more brilliant content next year!!
I missed this one, watching it now, it's awesome to see you guys together again :)
14:26: You don't have to "assume" humans have shared ancestry with jellyfish. It is a FACT that we do. And what's more, you can go much further. We share ancestry with EVERYTHING on Earth that uses DNA as a genetic code. Meaning we are akin to even trees and bacteria. Every. SINGLE. Organism that we know about on Earth is related to us, and you merely have to go back in history far enough to find the Last Universal Common Ancestor of us, AND all other living things. That ancestor is some single celled organism that developed DNA. And that single cell is just as much any human's oldest ancestor as it is any bacteria or plant's or jellyfish's. Too many people forget that we humans are not special in any way in this regard.
1:28:00 Beyond Freedom and Dignity, B.F. Skinner
52:22 Plutonium 239 occurs naturally in uranium deposits, because of a natural breeder reaction.
2 of my favorite speakers together! YAY!
I love the little skits during the breaks and at the end of episodes, such a good laugh.
These are the best. Good chemistry between these guys.
@1:28 I’m all “Oh hang on a sec! Pause! I gotta go get my bong for this one!”
What a way to exit 2022... Great episode last week, great episode this week.... next week....
Next week more Fraser!
Omg!!!! Dude!!!! John I found your channel from Isaac Arthur's channel Yeats ago and I have been so happy to see both your channels grow. Love you both. You have no idea how much your videos just chill me out. I don't have noney to join, but I don't adblock your channel and i interact with the ads. Ty for what you do. Is supermind good? I keep wanting to get it.
Sir Isaac and Space Jesus. Right in time for the tumescence of December Solstice! Timba, his arms wide!
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra!
It's quite difficult to follow whatever isaac arthur is saying. Too bad, i'll have to wait for the next Event Horizon episode.
JMG and Issac Arthur, didn't know I'd hear you both together one day!
Staying in our solar system is not a permanent option. I think the technology of self-replicating spacecraft has to be researched and the first craft has to be released into space as soon as AI technology is advanced enough to be on board each ship to simulate and control the mutation of the next generation instead of making it random and unpredictable. They then have to gather all the necessary resources to create a living environment for humans in new solar systems wherever it makes sense.
How on earth did I miss my favorite cross over JMG and the legend SFIA!!!
It took me the entire length of this podcast to mow my lawn. This has become a regular thing for me, nerd out while I do house/yardwork lol
This one had bunkbed vibes lol. Merry Christmas.
A solar panel commercial came on before this video started😂
That’s funny!
the two voices i fall asleep to.. together !
200 years old and I still can't eat at the grown-ups table.
I think Isacc is getting confused with IA making itself smarter with self preservation.
Isaac Arthur is very intelligent one of the best on the workings of the universe
RUclips didn't send this video and I'm subscribed
Regarding O'Neil Cylinders as self contained nature preserves.....I think Isaac is underestimating the difficulty of setting up a truly isolated, functioning ecosystem. Attempts to do that here on Earth, where in theory we have everything we need in case of imminent system collapse have proven very difficult and have ended up necessitating external inputs of additional resources, species diversity, energy, etc. to try and maintain homeostasis after some period of time. Biodome I was one such experiment that comes to mind, but even smaller systems like aquariums can usually only be maintained for some period of time before external inputs become necessary to maintain a healthy balanced environment (water changes, medications, genetic diversity introductions, additional filtration, species introductions, be it denitrifying bacteria at tank set up or scavenger species, or more plants later on, etc. ....) I'm not saying it is impossible, especially if additional resources can be put into the system, only it will be very difficult and much harder than preserving the biosphere here on Earth.
I just got home from a hard day at work and now I gotta worry about the sun destroying earth🤦♂️
Oh wow, Isaac I didn't know that you are from Northeast Ohio. Welcome from a, I guess, relative neighbor. I've been listening to your channel for quite a while and never knew that you were that close by. Hopefully you're staying warm and hunkering down from the Sub-Zero temperatures. Again, I love your content and everything that the both of yinz put out. Thank you both for being so prolific in the science community. Happy holidays to the two of you. Take care...
Cool collaboration. More please. Merry Xmass.
20:30 Good points, and there's always the consideration that computers do what they're programmed to do. So, if we program them to find ways to make themselves smarter, they will. If we don't program them to look for certain "solutions", then they won't do so. And then there's the issue of resources. Without external assistance they would be dead in the water.
JMG and SFIA finely back together again.
1:24 If we pulled Earth further out wouldn't its own gravity well mess up the orbits of all the other planets?
Love when you 2 guys get together. Actually read a gamelit book involving an A.I that designed a full dive VR with time dilation allowing people to live years of time in a few minutes. It’s a cool concept that I actually believe is possible when the book takes place in the 2060s.
"Infinity War is the biggest crossover ever"
Isaac & John* "hold my beer"
Bruh. My sides ❤️
The real problem with the sun is that it's massive enough to form a radiative zone of rock-solid compressed plasma between the core and the convective zone, so the hydrogen in the convective zone can never reach the core to be fused. If there were a way to cut channels through the radiative zone to allow convection to reach the core, everything else would happen automatically -- helium would be flushed out of the core, and hydrogen from the convective zone would be added to the core. Unfortunately there is probably no physically possible way to do such a thing.
All podcasts are great here, but when it's Isaac here - it's crème de la crème
Oh shit JMG and Isaac
I love these collaborations.
2 of the Best! Love it!!
JMG AND ISAAC COLLAB MANDATORY ON MONTHLY BASSES PLEASEEEE
John and Isaac. Quite apparently your ideas and open minded ness are not shared among the commentators. I hope you two are never deterred. Together y’all have provided very much excitement to my life, no matter how whimsical some discussions may be!
And I just sat down with a drink and a snack. Perfect.
I’m in the gym and I can’t hear all of what Arthur says. Will have wait to listen.
Thank you, Gentlemen. Always good to hear from you both. We, (those of us in our 50s), probably won't be alive to see the all of the next 100 years, let alone million, unless we master life-extension. But suppose we don't. I wonder if we get to survive in another form, after death, so we can watch how things evolve. My view has nothing to do with religion, or even logic. Just curiosity about what others think. Some one or some "thing" had to have gotten the universe going. I just can't abide by the "something from nothing" theory.
Check out Bernardo Kastrup and Donald Hoffman, some real interesting ideas there.
@@mba321 Thank you!
Pretty sure we'll be long gone before we need to worry about the sun enveloping earth.
As promised I tried not to sleep until this episode released. Im a day late to watching it, no questions please.
With regards to the question: " What is the most dangerous technological practice that could plausibly threaten humanity?" Ultimately, especially in the long term very high energy Stellar, Galactic Spiral through to Galactic Group level technology poses the greatest threat to the survival of sentient life. In the near term, it might be bio-hacking, from rogue nanotechnology, artifical viral creation through to invasive cybernetics.
When you arrive to a party where only there’s only two people awake…. Here, pass me the bong.
I love your optimism. But i think old Mother Earth has had enough of us Human Beans.
A true christmas gift indeed!
I have a suspicion the isolation & self-sufficiency of interstellar spaceflight itself applies a selection pressure on anyone entering the "star traveller" niche such that they convergently become much more difficult to detect for our current instruments. Maybe when you can still thrive in the wilderness between the stars enough to complete extended journeys, the kinds of arrangements we envision as "civilization" become superfluous and constraining, and countless free-living machine entities are happily wandering as they please above our heads right now, exchanging tight-beam chit-chat and love poems and hate screeds, too small and subtle to register in our telescopes. Or maybe not.
Yeah just tried to explain Fermi paradox to my grandson...don't know if I failed or not. I'll keep listening to these programs so as to gain vocabulary.
It’s crazy we’re closer to the end of earth than to the beginning. This may help explain the Fermi paradox.
I think Earth as a planet isn't due for the big Red Giant crematorium for another 4 billion years or so.
But as far as current organic life goes, the brightening sun is expected to rewind the biosphere, losing first multicellulars, then Land microbes, then marine microbes.
Hardcore extremophile Archaea would be the last to turn out the lights in about a billion as the outward migrating habitable zone puts us in Venusian hot-house mode.
It was so great to hear these guys laughing!