Marvel's Bold New X-Men Strategy, The Same But More
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- Marvel Comics are utilizing a bold new strategy for their X-Men relaunch. Tom Brevoort is going to continue directly out of the Krakoan Era but just do a bunch more. The initial list of 9 new X-Men comics seemed far too big. But Brevoort recently disclosed there will be another 3 or 4 series during X-Men From the Ashes. That's not the only insanity Brevoort revealed during an interview with AIPT for X-Men Monday. Wes and Dok breakdown Brevoort's recent AIPT interview and explain why this is all worse than we initially feared. Marvel Comics bold new X-Men strategy, the same but more.
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If Marvel was never ever wrong about any of the Krakoan Era then why fire Jordan White and his Legion Of Doofuses?!
They didn't. The Legion is still doing the writing. White and Brevoort are just targets to distract you from the fact that the Hollywood infestation is still in control. They actually have no power and are just monkeys reading provided scripts.
Doofi?
White has been fired? Has he been fired from Marvel entirely or from the X-Office?
@@ComicsExposed I’m not sure. He was fired from the X-Offices but I don’t remember if he’s been reassigned.
I’m shocked that anyone thought that anything was going to change, it’s all the same people, how on earth can they change? This will continue until all these people are gone.
I’m prepared for a fuck ton of slice of life and scissoring
OMG, THESE BIRRIA TACOS ARE SO YYYYYUUUUUMMMZZZ! [villain is an afterthought ,and defeated in one panel in the middle of the slice of life story]
The OP comment made me LOL. It's not even a hyperbole. Yeah it's just another day in the Big Two. Slice of life and scissoring
I like that Jordan White admitted today that Slott retconning Franklin Richards' mutant status derailed Hickman's plans for X-Men. Well done Brevoort for letting that happen.
Maybe more admissions would come out as time rolls.
@@spinningtornado4543hope so
If they were gonna put Capullo on an x-book, why not just put him on Uncanny?
Because Simone wrote a semi decent Birds of Prey run 20 years ago....? It's madness.
Don't forget: the X-Men also completely changed personalities overnight for no reason and allied themselves with known terrorists like Magneto and Apocalypse. That ALONE should've kept the NYX characters from being able to return home.
I worked at a religious TV station for over eight years, and one of our ministers (a guy from Canada) had a really sketchy friend from Russia. When Homeland Security found out about that connection, not only did they refuse to allow the sketchy friend from Russia into the U.S., they also refused to allow the minister from Canada back into the U.S., too.
But, and this is the BIG question: Whatever will happen to the Jean/Scott/Logan/Emma Frouple?
We also need to remember what the X-Men was before Krakoa. Which was a scattered mess with each and every relaunch of the books. X-Men Red X-Men Blue and Gold didn't do well only the resurrection of Jean popped the sales. Before that The extraordinary X-Men that no one like mostly because of the X-Men Inhuman war. Then we go to Bendis all new X-Men when we had the young X-Men. So Krakoa pulled everything back together.
@@coldsnyder3343 Recall the reasons for that, though: Disney hadn't bought out Fox yet, and Marvel - then under Ike Pearlmutter - wasn't interested in a successful X-Men comic run that might bolster ticket sales for Disney's then-competitor, Fox.
Long before the Disney/Fox mess, the X-Men had fairly successful runs thanks to Grant Morrison and Joss Whedon. Even before that, the X-books were Marvel's consistent top sellers, even after Chris Claremont left the company.
@@coldsnyder3343 Then Krakoa shattered everything that came before it with a hammer, Claremont's work included.
@@spinningtornado4543 Clermont's run isn't and hasn't been a protected run. Schism the civil war between cyclops and wolverine is my first thought and AvX and oh ya Bendis run on all new X-Men. You know where the idea of "Magneto was right" line ya Uncanny X-Men where cyclops runs the mutant revolution. Which with the TV show that everyone is loving ya they're about to completely step on Clermont's run just with that idea and alone. So pretending that Clermont's run is this protected thing and Krakoa was the thing to destroy it is just wrong and I would say AvX if anything is the closest thing that comes to "destroying" the Clermont's run which that was back in what 2012
God, why are modern writers so insistent? A good writer should stop harping on what hasn't worked the last 10 times and try something different.
Hubris.
Because once Hollywood gets in, it infests and corrupts, destroying all it touches.
Stupidity has a lot to do with it as well. Let's just call it "Stubris."
There are still good writers out there, but Marvel doesn't seem interested in them.
narcissism, according to the majority of modern psychologists, is at its peak in epidemia, right now
I haven't stepped in a comic book store in over 4 years. Money well saved. 😌
Support companies like Dynamite and Titan. Conan, Red Sonja, James Bond, Vampirella and many other titles rather kick ass.
Tom Breevort and bad taste go together like wine and cheese.
These current Marvel story lines seem like whine and cheesy.
Box wine and spray cheese.
Speaking of Lee Harvey Oswald, the reason he came back to the United States was he learned the USSR wasn’t the paradise its supporters touted it as. He thought they would appreciate his skills and give him some elite job, but instead they put him to work in some random factory where he was bored out of his mind. Thinking about it, it would have been interesting if they’d had some mutants move back to their home countries (ones who hadn’t declared war on the “human world”, I mean) because they decided they didn’t like Krakoa, but it’s too late now.
The talk about the mutants distributing black market drugs reminds me of the country in Hunter X Hunter that was distributing an illegal and highly addictive drug (I think the country was called NGL and the drug was called D2).
I don’t think the writers will have them face consequences/karma instead, portray them as sympathetic and tragic.
X-Men: Are we the baddies?
The point of a "sympathetic villain" is to HAUNT US, make us realize we're just "one bad day" from becoming a villain ourselves, and force us to reevaluate our own lives. It is NOT to make us SIMP for the villain.
They need Gordon Ramsay to straighten them out. There are owners on some of these shows who are incompetent on every level and even mistreat their employees, then try to play the victim. Gordon responds to this by telling them they’re the ones who dug the bleeping hole and they don’t have any right to act like they’re worse off than their mistreated workers.
This is a company that had the Punisher lead the hand, kill Ares and wiped out previously untouchable crooks, which probably included govt officials, and are to chicken to show the fallout which would be a sweet story.
Capullo is doing a Wolverine mini series to celebrate the character's 50th anniversary written by larry hama or chris claremont
I'm pretty sure the next Wolverine mini by Claremont is being done by Edgar Salazar. It's called Wolverine Deep Cut.
@@kalkella8822 its unannounced
@@inviiinciiible Well, they're running out of time, I think the next solicits are for October and Deep Cut won't even finish until around December. I'm not trying to be a dick but I got burned on that Capullo news. All the people that run these sights said it was confirmed and I just had this sinking feeling the entire time that eventually came true as none of these sites could back up the claim.
It's possible that this entire X-men Krakoan era is going to be used in the MCU (or at least some aspects of it) so it's not shocking that they would want to add to it and potentially get some kind of royalty from Disney in the near future.
From the Ashes seems more like a tactic from the days when Marvel put X-Men on the back burner because Disney didn't own the movie rights. I think the actual talented writers out there saw the shaft job Jonathan Hickman got and said 'no thanks' when Marvel called so they were forced to scrape the bottom of the barrel for creators.
"Buy cheap, pay twice," i.e., Marvel hired BAD writers who screwed up the stories and the character development, and are now forced to hire COMPETENT writers to fix the problems the BAD writers caused.
Problem: Marvel keeps hiring more BAD writers instead of COMPETENT ones.
We have to keep repeating, "The definition of insanity is..." because Marvel and DC Comics keeps repeating the EXACT SAME MISTAKES. The writers and editors' refusal to LEARN from their mistakes, has turned the companies into Atari 2.0s, American pioneers who are now forgotten but for logos seen on retro products.
American comic book fans have QUIT READING American comics in favor of manga and manhwa (Korean comics), whose writers still make "Entertain my readers," a goal- Marvel and DC Comics' narcissistic writers have "Entertain myself- and ONLY myself- with a Mary Sue self-insert who's like me, but absolutely perfect in every way," as a goal instead.
They're not expecting anything to change. They don't care if it does or doesn't. That's not how Propaganda works, and this is what this is. Propaganda is there to demoralize and it's working.
By the way, repeating something over and over, and seeing if something will change is what Science Experiments are. True insanity is the inability to tell reality from fantasy.
Everybody seems to have forgotten what an event is. Part of it is that its rare.
Watch Capullo be on Dazzler
Got such a long way to get back to decent
The last three or so years of avengers has been my least favorite in all of avengers history. Same goals for the X-Men and now we have the people that did avengers doing all of this s***. In all of my life I have never stopped buying avengers and X-Men books until about 2 to 3 years ago
I think it's okay to put out books for a niche audience _if_ you also put out several very successful titles for the wider audience. Those popular titles can generate enough revenue to support the losses incurred by specialty titles.
They don't have anybody competent working at Marvel anymore. I haven't been interested in X-Men for like 23 years. I thought this whole Krakoa Era was a time travel story coping AOA from the 90s.
I completely agree with the observation that Krakoa era X-Men were villains. Straight up evil supervillains. If they can figure out a way to atone for this, the X-Men titles have potential to move forward (with better creators). If not, there is no going back: the X-Men are evil now.
Wolverine just doesn’t make sense. Maybe they have a plan. Could be like the current run of ASM started - first issue of Wolverine says “Six months ago…” and doesn’t catch up for 12 issues.
Like Aaron sparrow said, Peter principal in full effect. Nothing will change till these companies get bought out potentially by Asian publishers who know how business works.
how long before these sheeeiiity comics cause Wes and Dok to snap and totally lose their minds?
I think they ALREADY snapped, and are now manga and/or manhwa (Korean comics) fans, like EVERY OTHER AMERICAN COMIC BOOK FAN whom Marvel and DC Comics stupidly drove away.
See, here's the thing. The X-Men are good together as members of a super hero team in Marvel Comics. But just like the Fantastic Four, the members of that team of super heroes just aren't good enough to carry a monthly on-going comic book series without failing after 12 issues or so. With the principal exceptions of a few characters who can work well as a solo operator, none of the characters on the team's roster, including the team leader, can hold down his or her own book unless it's a 4-issue limited series. In the case of the Avengers, the members of that super hero team individually have much more success selling well and being popular enough to have their own comic book title. The more obscure characters aside, you can see very few well-known super heroes get their own title and even much more far between are the super hero team comic books that do well without building the team up with good advertising and good marketing.
Plus, if you add the problem of a lack of smart writing because everything is limited to virtue signaling for identity politics, comic book stories have become very bad with stupid portrayals of characters. There is no more talking points about anything. No thought-provoking stuff because Political Correctness overpowers everything and activists are way too sensitive, being offended by anyone who disagrees with them on anything. How are there supposed to be good comics when you have dumb writers like that? You can't.
If people want characters who are normally B-List or secondary to finally get a fair shot and have a good chance at becoming A-List, the company has to start firing these Disney activists who will never touch on certain subjects. Otherwise, it doesn't matter how much they try to push a character to get their own comic book. If the characters are held back because of P.C. police, and if nothing in the plot can be allowed unless it's sanitized and commercially safe, nothing will ever get an opportunity to shine. All because people now have a thin skin and want to tip toe around other people's triggers.
Thats correct. We have so many agitators that we cant concentrate and solve real problems. Its sad.
The main problem with the whole Krakoan Era (as well as Morrison's NXM run from 20 years ago) is that it turned the X-Men into the Inhumans. And we all know how unpopular the Inhumans are. With the exception of MY HERO ACADEMIA, superhero stories where everyone (or most people) in the story have super powers is don't work and are not popular. One of the reasons why MHA works is because out of the 80% of the population who has super powers, most people aren't illegally allowed to use their powers unless they are licensed heroes. So as long as the mutant population in the comics is huge and/or common throughout the population in the MU, the X-Men will not regain their popularity and return and stay at the top of the sales chart.
Honest question from someone with very sparse X-men knowledge.
Is there any world where they could do some hard reset before Krakoa? Like everyone is woken up or pulled out of a coma/spell that had been placed on them due to something like Mephisto, an Omega level telepath or alien tech in control of anti-mutant human factions? Anyone that was missing or dead could be explained as having escaped or not been caught by whatever caused the 'dream' (lacking a better term). And then the horrendous character changes could be explained away as whatever caused it all to have been screwing with their minds/souls and changing them?
I'm not deluded enough to think it would ever actually happen, but I am honestly curious if such a thing COULD be done in the setting as a way to get rid of the events while still saying they sorta happened. Rather than just memory hole them.
Legion can always time travel and scramble the timeline again.
This would be my dream scenario, however I accept its very unlikely.
Dok round this Out Pretty Much by the 2 Minute mark - we always knew they were not to enthusiastic about running this title .. they going in this stubborn Like .. this may work out in the end - because it's always good to find these teachable Moments
Most like; X-men; In the ashes.
Not memory-holing a terrible run and doubling down on the bad stories worked so well for Dr. Who. I can’t imagine what can go wrong with the Xmen.🙄
Yeah this Tom X-men Era feels very New 52. Wolverine ie Batman is kept but everything else is a vision less mess.
More solos and less teams is going to hurt this line. Going to leave a lot of fan favorites out in the cold and piss off fans. Also going solo unless it’s a stealth team book means you lose all character dynamics. Which is a selling point
I had put out on Twitter that x men should be placed in a "cosmic sector". I am interested in Phoenix if it was done as a space opera/space pirate book ie Phoenix and the Starjammers. Can't lie I'm curious about that solo series
.... and that is why I will spend my disposable income at the theatre to watch Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga and Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes instead of buying those comic books.
What is Wolverine's Feral Family? I read the story where he cut Sabertooth's head off but I don't remember much more from it.
Will we ever see jean grey without the phoenix entity.... It's boring, or maybe it's my age, but it seems endless
oh no, when Dok mentioned the X-Men renounced their citizenships to go to Krakoa, I have a sneaking suspicion that at least one of these titles will be a thinly disguised illegal immigration screed. Oh yay, I can't wait :(
It's NYX and it's not thinly disguised.
So, Marvel has already oversaturated the X-Men relaunch before it even started (July is still 2 months away) and is making the current plot thread pointless on every front before it even ended since the status quo for mutants in July will be the same as the one at the start of Fall of X... That was about an entire year ago.
What kind of dimwitted marketing strategy is this.
The current readers are wasting their time and money on a story whose conclusion has been spoiled by the relaunch's previews and the ones who might be jumping into the relauch after dipping out during Krakoa will be welcomed back by the same overwhelming amounts of comic runs that has trademarked Dawn of X, which was the first part of Krakoa... Nearly five years ago.
And here’s another thing that pisses me off about every time the X-Men reboot. Why is it that they always have costume changes and never explain them at all? That is so fucking annoying the fact that they just don’t feel that they have to explain why a certain character change the costume and it never makes sense other than to be done for the visual of the cover or the book itself.
Remind me again how Jordan White was the cause of all this and that by his leaving, things will magically be better?
Glad stayed with manga for over 20 years, and have back issues/trades of great comics. Not gonna look at this reboot unless issues come to a library.
Wanda can just say no more lame events and like this in xmen never happened and we can get a reboot. Please 🙏 marvel something new for the xmen
Wolverine swearing off teams while bein Ona team in another book shows me they are clueless and it will be the blind leading the blind and stories and the " nothing makes sence " will continue on
The Oswald scenario makes as much sense as the current line of X titles. Neither of which l buy.
Unless something unique is in play, I would assume Capullo will be on a mini-series or an arc of a storyline. That would be the way of the land for the last several years with using someone of his caliber. Nobody should be surprised if someone wants to work with people he or she is comfortable with. It happens all the time in other lines of work, and whether said people are perceived as successful or not can be irrelevant. I think you are asking too much for recognition of legal or illegal status. Remember Superman did the same thing, it didn't really work, and DC just ignored it. WTF20.
Awesome work guys
I’m a writer artist in Melbourne Australia. I do my own comics. How do I get a chance to pitch for Marvel?
Did I mishear at the comic store? I was just told that Simone was removed from Uncanny Xmen and is replaced by McKay. What's going on??
I don't think Marvel comics as a company even knows the answer to that question.
All I can say is that McKay's upcoming books are stretching him far and wide across too many franchises for one person to manage. They would be overworking him with this change.
How much X-Crap do they plan on shovelling out?!
ughghh here we go again
The X-Men ended when Whedon left Astonishing. The issues since are garbage fanfic because the book ended over a decade ago.
Warren Ellis was after whedon and that was pretty good so I would say once they gave it to bendis that's what ruined it and went downhill
I quite liked All New by Bendis as a concept, until it went too long. But yeah, Whedon was the last great run, I think.
At this point, I think Marvel needs to take all titles off the table, put ASM as the focused title....put your best writers on that title, fix it...and work from there. Nothing is working. DC is arguably worse.
I don't read big 2 superhero comics because they are boring. But Mark Russell and Stephanie Phillips are good writers
Wait, you guys actually still believe Oswald killed Kennedy?!
He did. There was one shot. It's easily shown how one bullet made all the wounds.
I think he shot at him. Whether he was the only shooter or whether he was aided by the agency or anything is a whole other idea.
Is better to do short runs on particular characters in the main x title rather then doing a whole separate book has work in the past
Wait they wouldn't make this a pro immigration story surly, that would be horrible.
This last run of wolverine sucks balls whos coming back for the new run.not i i say.
40 mins on Patreon?
Give me a break!
I want good X-men comics, but if this failing will get Brevoort fired it might be for the best long term
They lost the moral high ground they always had, I don't see how they get it back.Hickman breaks things and they don't have the talent to fix it. Maybe if they could get Fabian N. And Frank T. Yost and Kyle then maybe but Fabian and Frank only pop up in limited shit and Yost and Kyle, what happened to those guys
I think this X-Men reboot is heading for disaster. Brevoort's idea of having an X-Men book for every fan, after calling fans cretins and claiming that 'The Message' was always the premise, seems like a desperate move to increase the sales. As stated in the video, the X-Men, much like TMNT and the Fantastic Four, are meant to function as a cohesive team and family, where every character receives equal attention and shines properly. That's how it worked in the past.
Wolverine's solo success was because he was popular as a gruff loner, not a team player, with a cool backstory, powers and rogues gallery given to him by amazing writers and artists back in the day. I really doubt any other X-Men can really match that. In my view, a better strategy would have been to start with 2 or 3 well-written team titles to establish the new status quo for the characters for some time before experimenting with the other ongoing series like Jean Grey or Storm in order to appease the minority comic groups.
Moreover, the decision to retain editors from the Krakoan era raises concerns about the potential quality of this reboot. Most of their titles were failing left and right and I personally believe that Wolverine and X-force survived 50 issues just because Marvel was too proud and stubborn to admit that their Krakoan era was a total failure by cancelling two of their most prominent series. Ben Percy's work on both series was boring, lame, stupid, misleading and easily forgettable.
Furthermore, the recurring issue of inconsistent storytelling is troubling. I think at one point, there were 3 Wolverines running around during the final Krakoan war: Percy's Wolverine fighting Sabertooth, Ahmed's Wolverine fighting Daredevil and Duggan's Wolverine fighting Orchis. Now, we have a possibility of two Wolverines running around. This inconsistency all but kind of proves my fear that these writers are prioritizing their own interpretations over maintaining consistent character behavior and storytelling.
Idk when I see X-men on the title for thing comes to mind is the Leftwing crap that’s why I’ve never been a fan of the team or characters.
Even if there were three appealing books you'd still be screwed every four months when everything is event linked, too many books, too many poor choices, and a staggering lack of vision and talent for the new age of Marvel where you, the customer, will now be paying the recently announced new 'talent tax' initiative - increased prices for the level of talent on a comic .. although I'm still waiting for the announcement where Marvel boasts its new bullpen of talent.
Totally agree with you guys about the consequences of the shady crap, from the criminal activety to terrorism, as well as Xavier manipulating everyone, including the mutants. The line they didn't want to cross is so far in the past, there should be no quick fix for this, nearly every X-Man died and was replaced with a copy, and they've become killers. What happened to the heroes? Going back to being known as Kitty doesnt get the blood off your hands, doesnt make you innocent. As much as I don't like the direction things have taken, the mutant registration act, now seems like a logical move.
I won't be shelling out for any of these comics, maybe in the future when this era dies a death, is there an X book for me .. definately, in Epic Collection format, and in those infrequent minis set in the past written by legendry creators, veterans of their art who know how to tell a good story and know who the characters are, can channel their voices and capture the character's essence.
Lets be real... What could you do to outdue an event that lasted almost HALF A DECADE and had a base of operations in a dimensions and not a school in the real world for the firs time (most stories are set in a school in Boston Mass) and with a main premise so relivent (medacine to heal)... Krakoa was going to be hard to top regardless!!!
They already retconned or made obsolete much of the lore that predated Krakoa. Doing the exact same for Krakoa in the relaunch is something they can and will not hesitate to do.
There are 3 X-Men that can carry a solo. Wolverine, Cable, and Gambit. No one else breaks 10.
Has anyone spoken about how lame ultimate x men looks
"LEE HARVEY OSWALD IS A BAD EXAMPLE!" made me legit laugh out loud! The only thing he'd be a good example of in Marvel is why things like the Superhuman Registration Act get passed, heheheheheh!
As nice as "an X-Book for every fan" sounds, isn't that what Marvel as a whole is? Fantastic Four for Star Trek sci-fi, Spider-Man for relatable people, Punisher for cynical tales? Shouldn't the X-Men be their own facet in the larger universe they're already in rather than splintering themselves into tones other books already have? I always thought there were too many X-Books and that made them hard to get into, so I think only having maybe 2 team books and 1 Wolverine would be ideal...And there's only 2 team books because of how many good X-Men there are, not to cover different tones...And Logan should only be on 1 team book and his solo book should make notes of being set at times that don't clash with the team book.
Nope.
Why the fuck is juggernaut on an x team? He's not even a mutant.
He was in a mutant team in the early 2000 and on Krakoa as well.
It doesn't change the fact his costume choice is terrible.
X-Men has had some non-mutant members.
@@joeparrigen4982 that's fucking stupid.
Phoenix & Jean Grey is mother of Hope is Marvel idiotics.
I’m about almost done with marvel. They have a few decent books I’m getting but after jordan white and brevoorts comments of how they screwed Hickman and his vision over had my blood boiling. Along with feige and his insistence that that marvel move away from krakoa was such nonsense.
But as far as x men goes I’m out, I’ll get uncanny and X-men only because Simone is competent and Mackay has had solid work but everything else is just disposable, corporate driven, editorial interfering soulless garbage
I blame Hickman for X-Men's downfall.
@@joeparrigen4982 Same.
The once noble and self-sacrificing heroes we knew as "X-men" no longer exist. They have all had their characters assassinated by the current "legion of doofuses", to borrow Wes's term. I don't see a redemption arc possible to put them all back in good standing. They have all been turned into the opposite of what Prof X hoped for - they are the villains now.