Watch This BEFORE Buying All-Weather Tires (Instead of Winter Tires)
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- You might regret buying All-Weather tires or you might love them. We take a closer look at Pirelli's new WeatherActive tires and show you the difference between all-season, all-weather and winter tires.
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I live in Edmonton, Alberta. Drove my All Weather Hankooks on snow and ice in -30 degrees C and lived to tell you about it... Instead of quoting people who makes money from selling you two sets of tires, test them in these conditions for yourself. The Hankook and Michelin All Weather tires perform better on snow than the average winter tire. My wife has Nordic Winters on her car, and yes, they are better on Ice, but not to the extent that I will be switching my side of the garage back to a 2 set solution.
Hello Max. I'm glad your Hankooks are working out well for you... and that you lived to tell us about it. 🙂Thanks for sharing your perspective.
I would still like 2 sets, one all weather and one Summer.
@@ruturaj47 Me too😊
@@DietCokeKillar a Bridgestone Blizzak stops from 50 to 0 in 26.1 meters. Michelin Cross Climate 2 takes 26.3 meters. This is using the same car, same day, same snow... 20 centimeters or 7.8inches.... If you feel that warrants running a second set of tires, that is you prerogative. For me, I can make 7 inches work ;)
@@DietCokeKillar sorry, just to add perspective, that same Blizzak takes 43 meters to stop from 100kph in the Dry, vs 38.2 meters from the Cross Climate. That is almost 5 meters!
I live in Calgary, Alberta. My experience is All-Weather tires are about 90% as good as full winter tires in the winter. I have about 40 years of driving experience, most of those years using full winter tires in the winter. I now have 8 years of experience using Nokian WRG-2, 3 & 4 and, now, Michelin Cross-Climate 2 All-Weather tires across 4 different AWD cars (2002 BMW 325xi, 2007 BMW 328xi, Honda CR-V & Mazda 3 Sport AWD). In regular snow the All-weather tires are excellent. On pure ice the full-winter tires will be a bit better than all-weather tires.
A few things not discussed in this video that I think are important:
1. Some of the trickiest conditions to drive in is where the temp is close to freezing (+/- 5 degrees from freezing) as this is when rain can turn to ice, or where snow melts and then freezes again and, in that case, wet ice creates some of the worst conditions. If you drive on summer tires in the summer you are faced with the decision of when to switch to winter tires. If you wait too long, or you live in a climate like Calgary where you can experience snow in June or September, then you will be unprepared for those conditions. Whereas, if you drive on all-weather tires you will be much better prepared and you don't have to agonize about making the decision too soon or too late.
2. Winter tires have a very short tire tread warranty compared to All-weather tires. On my current Mazda I use all-season tires in the summer but opted for Cross Climate tires for the winter because they're 90% as good as full-winters but they have a 100,000 Km tread warranty whereas the winter tires are rated for 1/2 of that distance (more or less)...so you save money while still getting excellent winter performance. A lot of the main roads are not even covered in snow a lot of the time throughout the winter months anyway so, apart from needing better performance in cold weather, which all-weather tires provide, you don't need full winter tires on a cold but dry road.
3. Using all-weather tires year round means you don't have to change your tires and store the extra set in your garage which means less hassle
In conclusion....I say, if you are not driving a high-performance car where you definitely want that summer tire performance in the summer, then I can certainly vouch for the effectiveness and practicality of using All-weather tires. Chances are you don't need that last 10% of winter tire performance....especially for all-wheel-drive cars.
Hey feedbackbro, Calgary certainly has a unique climate, especially since you're so close to the mountains. Thanks for sharing your advice.
how have the all weathers treated u in the summer?
@@MrPranker247 If you're not intent on driving around corners at the limit then they are fine. They have good longevity and sufficient performance. Of course, they won't corner or brake as quickly as a more high-performance tire but they are very respectable and get the job done. If you are like most people and drive well below the limit of your car's performance capability (especially around corners) then they will still be in good shape for the winter. On the other hand, if you have a high-performance car and want to take the corners at double the speed limit then you'll want some more high-performance tires for the summer.
Thank you for writing this. I heard Cross Climate 2 eventual has noise, and bad for gas mileage. What other All-weather ties would you recommend/suggest that don't have these issues but are good for snow/ice??
Island girl moving to snow, need answer ASAP, please.
@@Lili-xq9sn You may not want to hear this, Lili, but if you're an "Island girl moving to snow," as you say, then could I recommend a set of dedicated winter tires for the cold months? I know it's a bit more expensive overall, but they'll give you better grip in the cold months, and since it sounds like you've never driven on snow and ice before, you'll want the maximum grip to get you through some of the tougher winter days. But that's just my opinion.
Bought Michelin crossclimate 2. Great traction. Quiet. Smooth. Much better than the oem tires. And these give me exactly what I need. And no swapping in winter.
same here, more and more places insist on all weather or winter tyres, regions of France, Germany etc. All season makes sense
Living in Edmonton, Canada, the climate isn’t extreme enough to justify dedicated winter tires. The CC2 has been just fine with the worst winter has thrown at me over the last couple of years.
@@status101-danielho6do they also perform well when temperature goes below -20C?
@@naitaolee377 Yes, it's excellent on snow and ice in cold conditions. I've daily driven on different winter tires over 30-some years, and it's comparable in winter performance to all of them (Hankook W401, iPike RW11; Michelin X-Ice XI2, X-Ice XI2 Latitude), and better than 2 of them that were performance winter (Michelin Pilot Alpin PA2 and Primacy Alpin PA3). The latest generation might still have an advantage, but the CC2 is fine for most people.
@@status101-danielho6 its really amazing! I am running Pirelli all terin plus (snow ratted) and they just become slippery when temperature goes below -20C. still not good enough for winter in SK.
Just mounted a set on my Navigator, and already very impressed. My RWD only, turning a 90 degree right up a hill in the wet, have to floor it to get any kind of spin to trigger traction control and even then, traction caught up in half a second and maintained it full throttle up an 11% grade. Ride is also better and quieter, but is to be expected going from tires that are done. Still, very happy so far.
The Michelin Crossclimate 2 is an amazing tire. It handles several in inches of snow, slush and standing water incredibly well. I’ve had them in packed snow and ice and they inspire confidence throughout all conditions.
Thanks for sharing your experience, Manfred. I know a lot of drivers are asking about CrossClimate tires, and I'm sure feedback like yours will help them make the right decision.
Looking at the tread pattern, I suspect the Pirelli has better dry performance and better gar millage.
I got these since July(summer) and already tested them on snow(in the city so far). They handle incredibly well and give me a lot of confidence, the only difference to seasonal tires I've spotted is longer braking distance on dry, yes dry road, but not by far, so cons are none existent considering the seasonal switch :D
@@AlegreDiaVolver Thanks for your perspective!
@@theBear89451 Just put CrossClimates on my Jeep and have 4,000 miles on them. Fuel mileage went from 23-25mpg to 18-20mpg. I wish I would have gone with the Pirelli's now. A 20% hit if fuel economy is just too much for me for the amount of time I'll spend in the snow. Will probably be taking them back under their 60 day satisfaction guaranteed warranty, but unfortunately, I have to swap them with another Michelin, probably the Defender LTX m/s.
I live in Ottawa, Canada. I strongly recommend Nokian WRG3 or Nokian WRG4. I've been using them for years. Great tires in ALL conditions, from deep snow to hot dry pavement. Simply the best!
Got the weather actives and loving them. Even driving through unplowed 8" of snow, I didn't fail to have traction.
I live in Los Angeles, California, where Winter is literally just a word LOL. I am currently running PS4s on my X3M and i love them.. however i am a huge winter enthusiast and love to drive up to the local mountains to snowboard and make numerous trips up north to the sierras mountains. I refuse to drive summer tires in those conditions and for that reason, i will be switching to a all weather tire, specifically the Michelin CrossClimate 2's. I've heard lots of good things about them, and for someone who will only be driving in snow/ice for an estimated 30 days total, it seems like the perfect choice. I will likely switch back to the summers come April, as it will just not be necessary anymore... Thanks for this informative video!
As a fellow X3M owner/driver, I can't decide for my second set of 20-inch wheels what type of tire to buy and install. My summer performance OEM tires and wheels are 21 inches. I plan to keep them, because the SAV feels good with them and very sporty. Here in Mid-Missouri we have some nasty winters, freezing, not much snow but wintry mix, freezing rain and slush. I like all weather tires cos in case of blowout on my 21-inch summer performance tires, I can swap the set at any time during any season. It is like having backup wheels and tires all the time. :)
Live in Vancouver, BC drive 2005 Malibu, believe in the 44F/7C degree rule. Drive low mileage, run 4 winter tires all year. Michelin Xice2 were great, but hydroplaned too much, traded them in before the 2nd winter. Continental X-treme Winter Contact were freakin awesome! Last 4 yrs Nokian all-weather. All weather tires have heavier sidewalls to reduce tread squirm and wear. They soak up the bumps and give more steering control in tight curves.
We live in north central Washington state in a very mountainous area, 5 miles from town (25 miles from the city) on a private road that we have to plow and maintain ourselves.
Both our Outback and Forester have always had great traction in all seasons, but after putting Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires keep our Subie’s planet on the road or the lack there of. They’re Awesome on dry, wet, slushy, snowy, logging and forest roads.
We recommend them to everyone, including family and friends who live in Southern California.
We recommended them to my wife’s family who live in Montana and one of my brothers and sisters in law have installed them on their Outback and love them.
My brother and his family live in Portland Oregon and they too have them on their Outback. They get all the rain and we get all the snow.
we don't live all that far away from you... put the Michelin cc2s on our subaru STI (did not put our dedicated winter tires back on), and those tires are great in the snow...
@@bikebudha01 Yes the CC2 tires help us year round with our 5-7 feet of snow in the mountains between Wenatchee and Leavenworth.
I told a friend about them who lives in E Wenatchee. He bought them for his wife’s Honda Pilot. She loves them too and is getting better fuel mileage.
I got rid of my Forester and bought a new 23 Tacoma TRD Off Road, but when the CC2 tires wear out on my wife’s Outback we’ll replace them with another set.
I am an Alberta driver, on highway 2 daily, and polished city streets = Michelin cross climate 2 for three of the seasons, studded Continental tires for winter, as my pick. I’ve run lots of high end tires. This is by far my favourite for my daily driver.
Hey cdrbrnr, thanks for your perspective.👍
I've used both All-Weather Tires (Nokian) and Winter tires (Blizzak) for more than 25 yrs living here in Calgary Canada. I've driving my Acura MDX to Northern part of the province in Fort McMurray Alberta as I worked in the Oil Sands and at same time during my 2 wks off every month, driving to warmer weather locations like Vancouver British Columbia or heading south in the US (LA, Vegas, etc.) I've been thru snow storms and dry roads on same week and both Nokian All-Weather Tires and Blizzak winter tires are GREAT! ... The two differences between the two really is, with Winter Tires you have to change/swap tires when summer approach, which is a pain as you need to swap all 4 tires with All season or summer tires. This is why I stick to using Nokian All-Weather Tires as I don't have to worry when travelling up north or down south on same season/week! .... This winter season, I am getting a Pirelli Scorpion Weatheractive All-Weather tires as Nokian is in back-order and I need to drive to the US down south again in a couple weeks, so we'll see how this Pirelli on snow/ice roads and dry/wet roads.
Very nice and clear opinion from Jack. An all weather tyre can be really fine depending on where do you live, according to the weather.
P. S. Don´t forget that, the same tyre with the same size in different cars can be very different in results...
Also, if you use different sets of tyres in summer and winter, assuming that specially the winter is very snowy, get a set of steel rims for the winter tyres with less width than the summer rims and it will be more easy to change the wheels ( you can do yourself ), the tyres
will be cheaper and with less width the car will perform better in snow and rain.
Tread looks much like the old Pirelli Winter Cinturato. That tire would morph into an all season as the tread wore down. This new tire looks like a good solution for some of these sport coupes that come with summer tires that could cause dangerous conditions if used while touring the northeast in winter.
We get 5-7 feet of snow every winter. We live on a private road 5 miles from town, down the mountain.
We use to have to put studded snow tires on our vehicles in the winter.
After putting Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires on both our Outback and Forester, we drive year round and the Cross Climate 2 tires.
They’ve proven to us that they’re Awesome on dry, wet, slushy, snowy, logging and forest roads.
When they wear out we’ll replace them with another set of the Cross Climate 2 tires.
We’ve recommended them to all our friends and family.
My brother and his family live in Portland Oregon and they get a lot of rain, whereas us who live in north central Washington state get the snow.
My wife’s family are from Montana and one of her brothers have now put the Cross Climate 2 tires on their Outback and they love them too.
Aged out( over 75 ) of the annual tire swap and put Pirelli Weather Active on our Q5 and GTI . I have had them for about 6 months and have been impressed by the performance so far with good traction on dry and wet pavement. Not to concerned about winter driving as streets and roads are plowed fairly quickly after a snowstorm. Went with Pirelli over crossclimate 2 because of information I read comparing the two tires. Plus I have used Pirelli tires for years on different cars and have been satisfied with them.
How have the tires been on the GTI? Any wheel spin on dry under hard acceleration? I just purchased a GLI and hate the stock Kinergy GTs it came with it and constantly lose traction in under hard acceleration. Does is seem to have enough dry performance for the platform?
@@manbearpig12345678 very mild winter here this year so can’t judge snow traction but for me I have been happy with performance in rain and dry pavement. There are a couple of on/exit ramps that I use to judge tire performance and have been satisfied.
In New Jersey and Vermont I’ve found all weather tires amazing as an option. Light years improvement over an all season tire
Living in Seattle area, All Weather tires are perfect for our mild winters.
Agreed! You guys get the wet winters these tires are perfect for.
I live in Seattle (mild, wet winters) and last week I installed the Pirelli Cinturato in my 2019 Genesis G70 2.0T AWD (staggered), replacing Michelin Pilot 4S. They feel more comfortable and "gummier" than the P4S. They have good grip, I've tested them on rain and mud on hills and they delivered on what they promised. Just like the video suggests, the decision to get this particular tires comes down to the region you live in, the car you drive and your performance expectations.
Well put, Fabian! Thanks for sharing your experience with the Pirellis>
Next time check out the Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires.
We live in north central Washington in a very mountainous area (close to Leavenworth) and get 5-7 feet of snow every winter.
My brother and his family live in Portland Oregon, so they have weather like y’all do in Seattle. They too have the Cross Climate 2 tires on their Outback.
Both our Outback and Forester have awesome traction, but we’re so impressed with the Cross Climate 2 tires.
They’re Awesome on dry, wet, slushy, snowy, logging and forest roads.
When we have to go to Seattle in the winter and go over Snowqualmie Pass and snow tires are mandatory, the State Police won’t give us a second look, (well, they normally don’t care even if you have All Season Tires on as long as you’re driving a Subaru).
I spent my career in Tacoma and was so happy to relocate to our area to get out of the 9-10 months of rain.
We’ll take snow, less traffic and kinder people any day over the Left side of the state.
And please don’t move here. We’ve watched how y’all have destroyed the Left side of this beautiful state.
I definitely chose the PIRELLI scorpion weatheractive tires for my 2017 VOLVO XC60 AWD for where I live in North New Mexico. I LOVE THEM!!
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Pirellis with us, Jose. I'm sure it will help others shopping for tires.
Thanks! It always helps knowing the location to be able to compare. The climate in the Boise area is similar especially as you venture to ski areas.
Thank you for this information. Resolution at 360 is quiet low for today's content though. Look forward for more great future videos.
Hello George W. Thanks for the feedback. You're absolutely right - 360 takes me back to the 1980s :) Actually, it's 1080 now. I think RUclips puts up a standard definition version of the video while they process the HD version. It's now HD. Thanks again.
@@jacktalkstires Thaks for the update.
I'm lucky, because in Northern Nevada, we don't get a whole lot of snow and ice. Plus our major roads are plowed rather quickly. However if I had to travel to Lake Tahoe or West on I80 to Sacramento, I'd have to really think about using winter tires.
On my 4 WD I am Happy with Goodyear Vector 4 season tires🙌👍 even when there IS a little snow👍
In the UK I run summer tyres in summer and all season in winter on my car with all season all year round on my van. The Vredestine quatrac I have on the van are more like a summer tyre overall. Michelin Crossclimate 1 are hopeless in summer with rapid wear rates and poor grip in heat and worst snow traction than the Vreds although they are better on cold and damp roads and those with a layer of frost on them.
The Goodyear vector 4 seasons seem to be the best so far although I've not tried them in summer as they are on the car. Continental all seasons were excellent on my old van until they were about 2 thirds worn (down to 4mm) then they were like summer tyres.
When I lived in Toronto, I had winter tires November to March, here in Vancouver (wimpy winter as John says) these should be great….
One thing you forgot that people should be asking themselves if all weather tires are right for them is, “do you drive according to road conditions”? Some idiots think that they can drive as they do in the summer when driving through a winter blizzard because they have winter tires. While others adjust their driving to match the capability of their all weather tires when driving in snow conditions. It’s safer to drive with all weather tires in snow when you adjust for the road conditions than it is to drive like it was summer in snow with winter tires. It’s always better to take the time to arrive than not to arrive at all.
Excellent point, It's me.
Too many people who drive like kamikazes have fried their brains on video games. I doubt they give any consideration to the capabilities of their tires, or their cars. But, you make an excellent point for those people still capable of rational thought.
@@jasondaniel918 Thanks Jason!
Just bought a '23 Navigator and am thinking of switching the Pirelli Scorpion Verde's. These should be standard moving forward on a six-figure SUV. Whether they're worth $1200 at the moment when I have new tires, I wonder if that money is better spent just buying a set of winters. Though temps are so random, can be 20F in Oct and 65F in Nov for a week.
I will let you know when the winter is over - it could not have been worse last year; and I was running on my factory all-season .. which I just did not like them from when they were new, although they sure looked great ... I found on our Canadian roads here (horrific in winter, you better be on your toes in the spring to early summer when the roads crumble from the winter - I literally look for disable vehicles leaning as a warning trouble could be coming ahead. Anyway, my suspicion right now is that these Bridgestone All Weather are better than my old tires except for maybe the middle two "ideal" months of summer - and even then, I think they probably drive very comparably. Snows - the big argument is that they can extend summer and all-season tire life if you drive a lot - let them go furlow for the winter. In my case - I wanted the winter - was not looking forward to choosing ice vs snow dominant (I think they push ice, but grips is a concern for cars with 2WD so I am not so dismissive); but rims were almost $100 each, sensors $50 each, I would have to pay like $40 a month for storage - it seemed too much so I started to look at all weather again.
Glenn, I think your math is spot on. When you add up the costs of rims, sensors and storage, for someone in your situation all-weather tires seem to make sense. Thanks for sharing your opinion, and I look forward to hearing back from you to see what you think in the months to come.
I live in Cincinnati, Christmas Eve, it’s 60f. Way better off with all weather - as 2 weeks from now could be crappy. Note I grew up in cold areas of Canada where I had winter tires on 6 months of the year. I’ve got Michelin cross climate 2s on our Murano and Genesis. Genesis also has a set of summer tires.
Nokian all weather are great ! Love them , and no changes on my 5 season with them paid $800 ...
Outposts are only passable compared to Hakkas for 6" compact and 6% down grade with curves @ -5C
14 degrees f here still in shorts and a t-shirt in my yard, and when I go out
Live in S Ontario and just got all weather firestones....they are sooo much better than my GY all seasons were which had poor traction on wet (in warm months) not just cold conditions. I do not have a need for winter tires, given that I do not drive much and the roads in an urban setting are cleared quickly, so all weather is a no brainer.
Since Pirelli has just produced an All Weather tire I have no experience or opinions from people who use them on how they perform in Winter. Where I live ( Northwest coast of B.C. ) winters can be a mishmash of conditions. Rain is more frequent than snow and if the temperature gets colder than minus 3 Celsius it’s sunny. It does snow and the snow we get is heavy / wet and accumulates quickly. This means snow doesn’t usually hang around for more than a few hours to a week or so and it gets compacted, wet and then freezes into ice. We have 3 vehicles in our family all AWD. On my 2017 Toyota Highlander I came into the situation in Spring 2022 where my original Michelin Lattitude all seasons were worn to just under 4/32s and the Michelin X Ice 2s were pretty much done. So I decided to try a set of Michelin Crossclimate 2s. I have had them on since late May 2022 and have almost 26,000 Kim’s on them. The tread depth is still over 8/32s across the treads and last winter they were still over 9/32. Last winter was one of our most winters winters and we had several spells of up to 8 inches of snow and weeks of compact icy snow. These tires were just as secure in all conditions as the X Ice winters that I used for 2 1/2 winters. Never had to lock in the AWD or use Snow mode and only had the antilock brake system flicker a couple times while coming to a stop at an icy downhill intersection. TheAll Weather tires are so close to the X Ice winter tires that I don’t notice a difference. Mind you I’m not one of those twits who thinks because I have winter tires I can brake later, punch the gas pedal and go around corners at speeds that would have all seasons squealing in the dry. I don’t drive like a grandpa either but I drive to the road conditions. Doing this pretty much every winter tire will keep you going and safe. Around here the biggest winter road hazard is black ice. For those that don’t know what black ice really is, it’s when bare asphalt or concrete roads get wet whether from a slight drizzle or even heavy fog and the road surface is below freezing so even though you can’t see it, there is a very thin layer of ice. The road looks dry and bare but you wouldn’t even be able to stand up on it. Studded tires don’t do to well on black ice because there is nothing for the studs to grip onto and that thin very hard ice layer prevents the studs from grabbing the asphalt. These Crossclimates actually provide enough traction that you might not notice the black ice unless you brake hard, turn hard or accelerate hard. I put Michelin’s newer X Ice and Snow tires on my son’s BuickEncore AWD because he has to do a lot of highway driving this winter. We had them on that car for 2 winters already and they are even a step above the Cross Climates on my Highlander. I’m not touting Michelin here. The Encore had Continentals on originally and I put Kumho’s All Weather tires on a year and a half ago because one Conti blew a sidewall and we couldn’t find just one replacement so I had to buy 4 new tires. They are pretty decent in winter conditions as well but we already had the new X Ice Snow from 2 winters ago. The big name brands will develop All Weather tires to the point that they will be dead equal to quality winter tires. No tire changeover or extra set of rims. Sounds like a great option.
I have the Firestone all weather tires they are amazing in the snow and the rain I live in Ontario Canada
I’m in southern Idaho, hot summers and cold winters, worry about those 100 degree days
I got them and they perform excellent for my needs in all weather conditions, as expected. As importantly the are 3PMSF rated, so, while nobody seem to touch on this subject, they will be allowed to be driven in winter in all jurisdiction and accepted by insurance companies as 'winter tire'. Yes, there will always be a winter tire that outperforms them and there are many winter tires that underperforms them in snow, especially if they are worn out a bit.
PS - My car came with Cinturato P7 and they were still OK on maintained winter roads in the city (Ontario) , but only when they were new. This winter I decided to replace them , as even only 1/2 worn they were slipping a bit. Weatheractive tires are supposed to see far less change in performance over the full life of the tire. We'll have to wait and see about that.
pirelli cinturato weatheractive, these are by far the best tires I’ve ever purchased from pirelli.
So for living in Mass you would recommend all weather over all seasons? Thx good vide
Thunder Bay Ontario
made it though the winter just fine on my Nordman Solstice’s on the Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross driving through the hairy back lane and where we have to park is often unploughed (unreliable, ploughman) lol I selected these over the Nokian WRG 4’s I had the G fours on my Subaru but unfortunately I never had a chance in the winter but this time I went back to the solstice line from Nordman because the price is less and I had experience in the snow there quite aggressive. a little bit noisy but I don’t think I’ll ever go back to winter tires .
To be fair Pirelli launched their first European all-season tyre (US reads all-weather) in 2014. They have come a long way since then, but this is definitely not their first experimentation with the idea.
For me, all season tyres are like the middle of a Venn Diagram. They're ideal for environments where it isn't reliably cold enough to justfy switching to winter tyres or reliably warm enough for summer tyres to work well year-round. They're a good option for anyone who doesn't need months of winter cover, but has occasional snow and ice to cover in winter - especially if winters frequently peak over 7 celcius for long periods.
I live in Northern Ontario and have had Cross Climate2 tires (Rav4) and find them amazingly good...and we have LOTS of snow and cold. I don't see me ever buying snow tires again.
I live in Michigan's Upper Peninsula near Lake Superior. I just happened to see your comment, and I'm of a similar mind. I like tires like the Michelin Cross Climate 2's in regions where one is mostly on dry pavement and temps are not extreme. My relatives in the Detroit area, for example, run all weather tires year-round and I feel that is a good choice for conditions in that region. I did run Cross Climate 2's one winter up here by Lake Superior as an experiment, and they were ok but not near as good as dedicated winters. We get large amounts of snow frequently that I actually have to drive on and through, and I will happily swap to winter tires. During non-winter I actually do run Cross Climate 2's, and doing so protects me during the shoulder seasons when I might be too late getting my winters on or too early getting them off.
Perfect for Ushuaia.
I have researched the Michelin CrossClimate2 very impressed.
You're not along, Ronald. A lot of people love that tire.
How are they wearing? I've read they need replacement after 25,000 miles, some users say a bit more.
@@larryx2082 I have only been doing research viewing other people’s posts and videos. When I buy a new vehicle I plan on installing CrossClimate2. I had spoken to a tire shop and he told me that they was a issue but it has been resolved. Thought I would like to see a video on all the tire manufacturers on a test track and snow track with their latest all weather tires.
I live in MN and we do have the nastiest snow storm. I have used and still currently using Firestone weathergrip all weather tires and they are the best tires I have ever invested. They out perform my winter tires bridgestone blizzard.
You will never go wrong when purchasing a set of Firestone weathergrip all weather tires.
Rated the tire 10 stars 🌟 out of 10.
Thanks for sharing your insight. Good to know they're working well for you in MN.👍
There really is no reason to buy dedicated winter tires anymore. They will go away at some point.
There is no way any all-weather or all-season tire will stop at an icy intersection as quickly as an actual snow & ice tire like the Blizzak. I've driven in Minnesota for 40 years on summer tires, all-seasons, and winter tires. There is simply no substitute for real winter tires when the roads get slick. Every all-anything tire is a compromise. You should not compromise your winter traction if you live north of the snowline and are unwilling/unable to stay home when the weather turns nasty.
@@TJW68 TJ = mic drop! Well put.
@@TJW68 growing up in a snow belt area in ontario i would agree 1000000000000000% i used to run snows all year because i drove mostly vans or pickups and i could go off road with no problems
I have Continental DWS tires, Dry, Wet, Snow all weather. In deep snow is a challenge but on an average winter day they are fine living in the city. After a huge snow storm is a different story.
JBRC, it's all about where you live, how you drive, and whether or not you can afford to stay home when winter is at its worst.
@@jacktalkstires I can forgo driving in big storms
My revivifier had terrible luck with DWS06 - worn out at 16,000 kilometres; most expensive tires ever. Perfect for a FIAT.
Oh dear !!!@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
so if living in Toronto or surrounding cities where they clear snow and ice after storm or blizzard. and if not driving through storms or unpaved roads then i think all weather will work just fine or not?
Pirelli doesn't make a WeatherActive tire in a size that fits my Toyota Camry Hybrid LE. I am currently running a set of Michelin CrossClimate2's and they are excellent in all areas except rolling resistance, so I took a big hit to my fuel mileage. I am curious how they compare to the Bridgestone WeatherPeak's for rolling resistance and performance. Is there a place where you can find a tires rolling resistance rating? Also, I have never seen a test with the CrossClimate2 and the WeatherPeak in the same review. Is there a reason for this? They are direct competitors yet no one ever puts them against each other. Are the manufacturers afraid if this is allowed that they will lose all their sales to the winner? That's the only viable explanation I can think of. It's kind of bizarre that these two direct competitors are never allowed in the same arena.
What are your thoughts? Could the WeatherPeak improve my fuel economy while still performing as well as the CrossClimate2?
How will all weather be in Massachusetts summers any negative? Thx
You should also mention that the 3 peak logo means they are optimized to perform well below freezing. Also, there is a difference between all weather tires and all season tires.
I'd suggest you do more research. Tires are good at what they are made for. All 'weather' is just a poor all 'season' and just a poor 'winter' tire.
I have run two sets of Pirelli scorpion Zeros on a Land Rover LR4 V8 and they perform pretty good in Michigan winters aggressive tread pattern vs the weather active. I might try the new weather actives but the tread pattern just looks wimpy with very narror regions in the tread to get a grip vs the Zeros (The one with cent Z patterns) and deeper looking tread. It must be the material because the tread looks weak to me on the Weather Actives like it will clog up much faster with mud or snow. I could be wrong.
Thanks for the comment, Bob. All-weather tires, like the WeatherActive are a compromise, so I think your observations are on point. If you're happy with winter tires for Michigan winters, you might be disappointed with a compromise... depending on the kind of driving you do.
@@jacktalkstires I just ordered a set of 19" Michelin Cross Climate 2 based on
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They actually beat out true winter tires on snow but were also great in wet and dry. Sounds too good to be true but we shall see.
@@Physics072 Those are excellent tires, and I respect the guys at Tyre Reviews. Please come back and let us know what you thought of their performance after the first hit of snow in Michigan.
Expect nothing from your tires. Expect everything in your driving ability. Respect the weather and the road ahead. Winter tires are not the magic potion to your winter driving
Agreed! You can have the best tires, but if you drive like a fool, you won't be able to defy the laws of physics.
Lets say you bought your car and it has summer tires on then I would say buy your set winter with wheels because either way you will have to buy another set tires after 3 years. In this way you are not only saving your summer tires but at the same your money (car) and your life will be protected. If you have all-season tires which its fine but you have to be sure what type of weather condition you are living. SOME all-season tires are more dominant on snow than dry and wet condition and some are more effective on dry and wet and weak on snow. That is why if you dont wanna spend your money on tires AT LEAST make your research and get a good all season tires and dont go cheap. We are in a mild climate here Belgium and bought my mom Hankook Kinergy 4s.
I would still advise for you all to get specific winter and summer set tires. In Germany it is MANDATORY to have winter tires or all-season with winter badge on it. They have ''Von O Bis O'' rule which means Von Oktober Bis Ostern meaning From October till Eastern is the period when you have to have winter tires on
Thank you for the European perspective, Cenk Toplar. Good advice!
I'm from the part of the world where the summer tire and winter tires pair is a must. But now I'm part where winter is mild. In the US, Georgia where we might have just a little ice (negative degrees during the night when it was wet), in theory, I had seen snow 3 times over 3 years. We have a hot and warm ( wet rainy climate) during the summer times. Any thoughts on what to be considered? All-season, All-Weather? I would tend that it should be tier with excellent dry and wet capabilities, strong aquaplaning resistance capabilities, and capable of working in low-temperature wet conditions ( rain, small icing). Considering Bridgestone Weatherpeak or CrossClimate2 but tend to think that it might be too much. What do you think?
Hello Viacheslav Krasin. I think an all-weather tire would make sense for the type of conditions you're talking about (especially the part where you do have to deal with ice). Either of the tires you mention would work well. They're both rated for winter performance, as well as the other three seasons. I've seen a lot of people rave about the CrossClimate tires. They seems to check all the boxes. Thanks stopping by and leaving a comment.
@@jacktalkstires thank you for your opinion
The new Michelin Defender 2.
@@davidhoffman1278 I’m with Weatherpeak. They are great in my condition especially in rainy and wet. By nature, they are made out of winter tires so they might be soft. Overall it is what I need and much better than stock tires.
Yes, Bridgestone seems to have desired to create a better winter snow tire than the Quiet Tracks and they got it with the Weather Peaks.
If we got a little less snow I'd consider them but by nature they are a compromise and for someone who needs to get to work every day I can't make that.
My I laws are retired and bought a set, it's worked out well for them as if it's any significant s ow they just stay home for a day till the roads are good again.
Excellent point! Those of us who can't afford to stay home when the weather is bad are better off not compromising.
I would like to see all the tires manufacturers with all weather tires on a test track and snow track to see really what is the best tire
Tire Rack has a few decent comparison tests.
@@davidhoffman1278 I must have missed those. Can you point them out?
I am from Austria, Salzburg. I drive only winter tires since 2009.
I would love to see the Michelin CrossClimate 2 and the Bridgestone WeatherPeak in the same review.
Tire salesmen hate hearing this but I buy budget winter tires every November and never put summer tires on. By spring the winter tires are worn down a bit and work just like summer tires, they still have some tread left when I get new ones, they dont melt in the summer like some people claim I get 40-50000 kms out of them.
NSEric 123, that is certainly a unique approach.
Winter tires typically stack soft rubber over firm, so the firm rubber hits the pavement when they are worn.
It could be called a 'high latitude coastal tire' where it's not that cold in winter and also rains a lot in the summer.
It could... but "all-weather tire" rolls of the tongue a bit easier.😁
Some all weather tires perform better in snow than low cost winter tires. 3 peak mountain symbol rated all weather tires are very good in snow. All season easily handle powed roads. Only people who regularly see extreme weather and snow need winter tires now. A set of summer and winter tires doesn't work very well, there are warmer temperatures (50-60) in city and very cold (25-40) in mountain making both not idle for fall and spring. Having just all weather or for performance enthusiastic all weather and summer setup is much better.
Hey Roturaj, I'm glad that all-weather tires are working for yo. Thanks for the comment.
@@jacktalkstires nope, I don't have all weather tires. Nor I use something working for me as proof. I have winter set and I had temperature in sixties and had to use winter tires because I was going through mountain pass. I should have bought all weather instead. A pure Nordic winter tire sacrifices dry and wet grip so much that it's actually bad for people who don't regularly drive on unpaved roads.
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My first set of Cross Climates are coming up on being replaced. Cross Climate 2's are about to replace them. Great friggin tire!!
I live in Scotland. I’ve got a mk7.5 Golf R with Michelin Pilot Sport 4S on it and it’s -10C, road is full of slush and wet horrible rubbish. Car drives no problem under 3000rpm. Push that and you get spin but the car is fine in the corners.
Hey Paul. Thanks for sharing your experience from across the pond😁
I’m considering these Pirelli WeatherActives for my Explorer ST…it came with Scorpion Zero AS which have been great, but I’m looking for similar dry performance, better wet performance (TX, so little snow but regular thunderstorms that immediately turn roadways slick as green owl poop), and a bit more durability.
aggiewoodie, I'll take your word for the green owl poop. Can't say that I've had any experience with that.😃
is that a green owl (I've only seen one and they are very, very hard to spot, so I feel lucky), or is that green poop. or are both the owl and the poop green. 🤔
Check out the Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires.
They’re Awesome on dry, wet, slushy, snowy, logging and forest roads.
We get 5-7 feet of snow every winter and the tires help us navigate through deep snow with our Outback and Forester.
All-weather tires outperform regular all season tires. And without all the hassle of taking off the wheels putting on winter tires or putting on summer Tires save time and money. So all-weather tires will be optimal for my application.
Some of these "all weather" tires will have M+S but not the 3 peak logo. Worth exploring the difference between these.
As someone who lives in Manitoba where it's winter 6 months of the year I never saw a point in wasting money on a set of winter tires.
I would like to purchase Michelin cross climate tires for my 2022 Nissan Sentra. But my budget tells me otherwise, so I’m thinking I wanna go for the Bridgestone weather peak. which I hear is not quite as good as cross climate by Michelin, but close enough proximity. and I drive in the mountains of Western Maryland in Garrett County, where the weather is like Fairbanks, Alaska or Anchorage, Alaska many times of the year.
Last set of Perelli tires I bought for my Lexus RX were so bad I had to take them off long before the mileage wore them out. Not going to tray again.
in my country we have very hot summer and cold winter. I had Michellin Crossclimate and first year they were great - summer, winter no worries at all. The issues became on the second year and especially in winter when they were awful. There are a number of tests in youtube showing how good the all seanons/all weather tires are but nobody makes a test after 6000 miles or after the first summer. The hot sun destroys these tires and they dont have same qualities after that. Why the tires industry needs to offer you 1 perfect set of tires when they could sell you 2 sets. In other words they will never offer you the perfect all season/all weather tyre
That's great insight, AndroBoy17. You make a good point.
This is why I'm up another all-nighter researching other all-weather tire alternatives to CC2. I hear bad things about this after the 1st year.
@@Lili-xq9sn I hear ya. Sorry that it's keeping you up all night. I think the challenge with all-weather tires will be their tread depth for the second winter tire season, after they've been driven thousands of miles on hot asphalt during the summer months. Only time will tell if this is the money-saver we think it is (since it saves you from having to buy a set of warm weather tires, and a set of cold season tires), or whether they will wear out faster than expected.
@@jacktalkstires yeah. Toyo Celsius is half winter/half summer. We'll see
Thank you, I live in a hot summer, cold winter also. Appreciate your input
This type of tire (all-weather) is great for those who love to compromise in life. They lose good traction in cold dry weather and If you add wet slushy snow or cold slushy snow these tires rate under just ok to not so good. They just get by in cold heavy snow and don't do well in wet heavy snow. Winter can and will throw a fast ball and often a knuckle ball at the average Joe. These tires also wear out sooner then all 'season' tires during the nice warm weather period. The only reason you would chose this type of tire is because you're too lazy or too cheap to change tires twice a year. These folks would do themselves and everybody else a favor by simply leaving their cars parked during the winter.
When I drive In the winter months I look out for those who love compromise. Winter requires "winter tires".
Having taught advanced winter driving and after 57 years of driving in Canadian winters this is just my humble opinion.
Now that I no longer cross the country in the winter,they make a tire that can.
I had heard of these tires before and was looking for them for my car. The problem is they are only offered in 18" through 20" sizes - apparently they only want to sell them to "premium" wheel buyers. Oh well ... I guess another company gets my money.
Hello Pseudo Nom (That's a great name!!) Sometimes the tire manufacturers will target a certain segment of the market with a new tire, so they limit their sizes to suit that niche with the idea that they might expand their offering in the future. So you're right - they're targeting a certain demographic with this tire.
Crossclimate 2's are the way to go!
I live in Montreal and run winter tires come the cold weather. I was considering going to a cross climate or all weather approach where I would buy a fresh set of all weather tires each November (I drive 50,000 km /year).
Hey Antoine, I've been in Montreal during one of your nasty winter storms. It's quite the nail biter! I remember stepping out onto the street and wondering where I parked my car. The snow was up over the roof of all the vehicles, and you had to find your car before you could dig it out. I would think that you'd want as much traction as you can get. I have interviewed one of the major tire distributors in Quebec, and they seem to think that most people are still sticking with a set of dedicated winter tires for the kind of weather you normally experience in Montreal.
Just buy cheap winter tires, they last that long.
Im running canadain tires certified winter tires, the set I got last november lasted 50000kms, I replaced them with the same thing this year.
Still don't understand the difference between all season tires and all whether tires. Aren't they the same?
What about those of us where we have over 50 on one day and then 30 the next, just like a roller coaster?
Well SYukimi, if it's a rollercoaster, then a set of all-weather tires would be a good option. These tires perform well at both temperatures. That said, if it only goes above 45 degrees Fahrenheit for a day or two, and then back down into the 30s for most of the time, I would personally still prefer a good set of winter tires. But then again, I enjoy "spirited driving," so I want all the grip I can get. If you're more of a "point A to point B" kind of driver then all-weather tires are perfect.
All-weather tires might be OK for those regions where they require winter tires by law. And the person drives a little and doesn't want a separate set of tires. He might live fine with all-season tires but there are legal restrictions. Anyway these tires have to be replaced early when the tread depth reaches 4 mm just like winter tire This fact makes having one set of tires instead of two less attractive from a financial point of view. Not to mention all other weaknesses of having to drive on terrible soft compound tires in the summer.
*Crossclimate 2*
You have to replace them much sooner. If the summer tires can last 120-140 k kms to the wear bars and the winter tires 50-70 k kms to the winter wear bars (4 mm tread depth) the all-weather tires might need replacement after 40-50 k kms at the winter wear bars. Or may be even sooner if you drive aggressively in the summer.
Looking into the Pirelli's, my tire shop had a 90k km warranty on the cinturato weatheractive
@@SMSinger91 You have to keep at least 4 mm of the tread depth to legally keep the tires in the winter category. The idea behind the all-weather tires is to use them in the winter as well.
I live in CA, Los Angeles. Will be replacing my OEM Explorer tires, will this tire be a great replacement???
Also would love a smooth&quiet ride???
does it snow in LA?
I use years all season tires.
What nobody know is that snow tires are only good if its new.
After you only have 4mm left the snow tire will be a normal tire.
The flex is out of the snow tire.
That is the reason in Switzerland and Germany a winter tire under the 4mm profile its not a snow tire any more and you will have fine.
And if you smash your car to a other car the insurance can not pay you out for the damage.
That is the reason i u for season tire.
I set the new in the winter and after 2 years replace them.
And yes i use awd drive systeem so all tire will done.
I have about 2.5mm profile and the tires are replaced .
In my country we have APK on cars.
That is Check up if the car is in a good condition for the road .
Means that tires ,break , rust under some place and engine emissions.
Of one of those think are not correct the car not drive on the road again till it fix.
And do not think i just go on the road.
You have automatic fine after the APK date.
And the police can sent you a tick for no APK.
And the insurance can not pay out of you crash a car.
This somting usa need.
If i see old junk on the road
Thanks for your comment, sebastian suijkerbuijk. Europe is certainly a world away from the standards we have here in North America. We would all do well to pay attention to the amount of tread left on our tires, but many people just don't bother.
@@jacktalkstires that is the reason thare is a small nuck in the big tire treat .
You can feel it with your finger.
On the moment that treat is the same height means the tire is 1.5mm treat .
On that moment.
The tire can not handel rain and you will slip.
In my country means a ticket from the police and with APK means a new tire have to set soon. (We use a clock that we set in that profile to see if it go under 1.5mm)
Is the tire under 1.5mm and you do not replace it by APK means no APK and that car can not be on the road till you fix and set again a new APK on the car .
And think oke drive and oke i have a ticket from the Cops.
The insurance do not have to pay out if you hit a car .
And you will be set personal responsible for it and can pay all the damage .
And if you hit somboday.
That means you can pay for life to that person if he is handicap from your mistakes.
This will be done by a judge .
And no we do not have like in Amerika that jurylid.
This all done by the judge and the law book.
Normal the insurance will let the car test for damage and more to see if you have to pay or the insurance.
This is life in some eu country's.
@@dyslectische I agree with what you're saying about the tire tread depth market. But I'm afraid that many people don't even know it exists. Europeans take their tires more seriously than many in Canada and the USA. We still have a long way to go in educating the average driver on this side of the Atlantic.
You are correct about tread depth. I replaced my winters this year for that exact reason. The old tires actually had two sets of wear bars -- one set to indicate when to stop using them as winter tires and another set to indicate when to stop using them period.
Michelin crossclimate2 is best for all year around. from below-30 degree cel to above30 degree cel. no problem. saved my ass. it also last 100k km as advertised. just got a second set of crossclimate2.
Just went through snow ice like a champ off road to I have front wheel drive funny tiger paw as all season. But are winters not crazy I want all weather ime shopping . Little more price of mind in cold
Aren't Pirelli All Terrain plus tires also 3PMSF rated? So also an weather tire?
Hey flight Medic76. Yes, Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain Plus tires have the 3PMSF symbol, so they would do well in the winter too. You're likely going to see more all-weather tires coming out from a growing number of tire manufacturers.
@@jacktalkstires what does 3PMSF mean???
@@Lili-xq9sn Great Question. 3PMSF is short for 3-Peak Mountain Snowflake, which means that the tire with the 3PMSF logo on its sidewall has been tested by a third party, and that it is rated for winter conditions. Hope that helps.
@@jacktalkstires thanks. After researching, I'm going with Toyo Celsius all-weather tires.
I almost pulled the trigger on a set of the weatheracitves but due to it being a new tire I don't want to risk it. I am buying my second set of Crossclimate 2. They are warrantied for 60K miles, they now have 65K miles on them and are ready to be replaced.
All Weather tire is a compromise, I would say they are 50% tires which is 50% better traction on snow than 4 seasons tires and 50% less traction on snow than dedicated Winter tires. If you live in a climate with frequent heavy snow fall in Winter, stick with Winter tires. All Weather tires are good for places with occasional snow and no heavy accumulation, if you live in such a place, the All Weather tires will save you trouble on changing tires.
i live near sea, so temperature in winter is 0 or little under zero, so i dont need clasic winter tyre. snow if fall, last 2-3 days then melt to water. 5-10 cm is max snow in my city when he fall, so in bunch of year i have rain and dry condition in percentage 65 vs 35 in favor of rain, so obvius i need ALL winter tyres because of that, if i live somewhere where is hard winter, i will for shure buy winter tyres. but like somone say, you mast aprichiet road and weather condition, no mather wich tyre you have. than you will have safety why you drive, even the best tyres can slip on road if you are not careful. so i have all season GYVgeneration 3 for now they are amazing, soft on breaking and soft when hit in some hole in road. they break imidietly, and i am very satisfide to buy this tyres for now. i hope hard winter, never comes to mee, but in test GY is in high even for that conditions. but i didnt feel tham on ice and snow, so i cant tell nothing on that subject for now.
Ya I wouldn’t say 50/50 for quality All Weather tires 4 season tires are All Weather tires All Seasons are 3 season tires. The Michelin Cross Climate 2s I have are so close in winter conditions to the Michelin X Ice tires I had before that the difference isn’t really noticeable, and the X Ice tires were constantly in the top 2 or 3 in comparisons. Just drive to the conditions, any winter tire will spin or slip if you drive like the roads are warm and bare. Also there is no ONE type of winter tires. There are snow tires and there are Ice and Snow tires. snow tires usually suck on compact icy snow and Ice and snow winter tires don’t do as well as snow tires in deep heavier than the fluffy stuff snow. The differences between each manufacturer’s winter tires ( snow or snow and ice ) can also be fairly noticeable. Big name doesn’t always mean better either but the big names have the $$$$ to developetheir tire over time to make it better than most.
I live in Texas so an all season tire would fit best
Absolutely right!
So it is not a all season or a all weather tire it is a summer tire for wet and dry that doesn't get to hard in colder weather
They were not as good as the winter tires but you did not need to switch your wheels twice a year.
I live in Missouri and I drive a Spark and use All-Season tires, they are worthless in the snow.
Thanks for sharing your experience, Robert. All-seasons are definitely not for every season, especially if you have to deal with ice and snow.
I still believe that summer tires in the summer and winter tires in the winter!! None of this all weather tries don’t believe this type of tires???
Let you guess, you also believe in powder and piste skis.
Sounds very promotional. Gotta get outside my friend.
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CrossClimate 2
Dedicated winter tires are FAR supeiror in every way.
I would never recommend all season tire.
"tyre review" site shows what tires do in comparison to others.
A different question. Hope you will answer. From your Surname, I note that part of like mine. 😂. Tell me, are you ancestors from Poland and before that from Middle East? If so, I shall tell you what it means! 😂. Kind regards.
They predict the death of all season tires and start producing all weather tires? Would anyone explain how they are any different? Sounds like a marketing bull$hit again.
People watching this are more concerned with living in mild areas but hit the slopes a few weeks a year.
Good all season tires work just fine in thick snow. Stop lying.