Why Home ice advantage matters less than ever
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Why home ice advantage isn't what it used to be in the NHL & more in this edition of District 5.
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Leafs got home ice PTSD at this point
I've been noticing this. Without even watching your video (I will...), this has been my theory for a while (for the NHL, anyhow)... Players expect and get more comfortable travel. Nicer private aircraft, nicer hotel rooms. The act of traveling is less tiring than in the past. Teams also pay a lot more attention to health, diet and nutrition. It's much better managed than in the past, which again leads to travel being less tiring. Teams are simply traveling better/smarter. Also, when you're traveling, you're away from your home. Maybe you miss your kids, but you also don't have to take care of them. You're not dealing with your domestic distractions. Wives, girlfriends, dating are all out of reach. Most teams have curfews when traveling. You don't have a curfew when you're home. Players are better behaved on the road than they used to be. When traveling, you have one purpose, to play hockey. That focus can get results on the ice. At home, you have your life, which can be very distracting.
Theory grade: A- (imo)
U smart 😮
I think it's also worth noting this depends on team. For example, if your vancouver traveling to the east that can be a longer more exhausting trip where as say toronto going to Buffalo is basically a bus ride at worse. Also depends on how long said road trip is and how long they get to rest in between games. Back to back games are grueling especially if you have to travel further away and expected to play the same day.
Another big home ice advantage came back when not all rinks were the same size.
The old Boston Gardens was a very small ice surface and the fans seemed like they were literally standing over the ice according to some opposition players, I think that was when there was real home ice advantage… once all rinks were the same size then all rinks are the same all you need to do is play, only difference is some ice is better
Also, I think some teams get pumped when they have the crowd against them, gets them more fired up
The Leafs don’t really have an advantage anywhere
Only when they're down by 3
@@lucasbeck9636or when they're down 5 in the 3rd against the Blue Jackets....and they still lose
LMAO
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Don't take that away from their real home rink the Buffalo Sabres ice
I believe a big example of the fan influence being the biggest swing factor in home ice comes in 2019 for the Islanders when they were allowed to play Round 1 against Pittsburgh at Nassau Coliseum, sweeping them before being forced to switch to Barclays Center for Round 2, getting swept themselves there.
The Coliseum was a truly intimidating building to play in come spring if you ask any opposing player meanwhile Barclays hosted a less intense hockey crowd. The difference was staggering.
Between 2015 and 2021 the Islanders’ playoff record at Nassau Coliseum was an impressive 10-3 while at Barclays they were a paltry 2-5
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Incredible video man. Just stumbled across your channel. The attention to detail. The quality. It’s unreal. You deserve more credit. Keep on keepin on! can’t wait to see what else you can make!
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I’ve been watching hockey my whole life and didn’t know the home ice faceoff rules lol
Same
the deep dive, the effort for the cutting material makes it great content
Back in the day there was much less info about the teams out in the open. You would be going into a new town not knowing anything about it, not knowing how the other team plays, not even who their strongest players are (at least not to the extent that we do today). Now we've got entire teams of analysts on every franchise.
Depends on where you're going I think. Your thumbnail shows Toronto, and that's because Leafs playoff tickets are so expensive, corproate suits are the only people with enough dough on the regular to go to those kinds of games no problem. But then you go to somehwere like Edmonton, where the playoff atmosphere is such that at one point, they had to change the goal horn because it was drowned out by the crowd.
I feel like its mainly because teams are getting better. Not just talent wise but as teams get richer travel is becoming less of a stressful thing and with having to worry less about that you can be more focused on training and staying focused for the game.
The crowd itself isn't that big of a factor imo. It doesn't particularly matter how much you get booed or how much the home team gets cheers. At the end of the day (90% of the time) the better team comes out on top
Always love the hit at 6:18 where Jamie Benn told Stankoven "I got ur back Kid"
Wow I actually had no idea one team had to touch the ice first on faceoffs.
Yup! If you want closely on tv or even meter in person you see it.
I remember I think it was 8-10 years ago the flames would consistently win 80-90% of games at home and lose everysingle game on the road. It was hilarious
2005/06 season was like that.
I believe that was the 2015-16 season if I remember correctly, we somehow managed to win 10 straight at home from October until Late December while still being far from the playoff picture
I remember the 2013-14 playoffs and how many away teams won Game 7s. This was also the first time I seriously watched the NHL playoffs and I seriously questioned whether the home ice advantage my dad and the media kept talking about even existed. In fact, I started calling it the “on-the-road advantage” because it was so lopsided!
Bro ur video essays are expertly done, keep em coming and the bag will follow
Such a deep and yet still entertaining video! Reminds me of the golden era of Secret Base.
No where is advantage for the Leafs in the playoffs.
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The oilers have a very good atmosphere
@@Fallout3131 and I’m a fan of the team
Of course the leafs have a postseason advantage. They get preferential tee times after the first round
@@jacobdoucette8272 FOOOOORE!
Final change made a huge difference in the past when the 4th line was a bunch of pylons who would never even make an AHL or ECHL roster today. Now, the 4th line won't match up with 1st lines, but they are so much better and have actually learned team defensive systems instead of getting a few minutes a night to drop the gloves.
Again, a random video pops up and I'm like lets give it a try. I hear the voice and know its gonna be a good video. Forgot I already subbed lol
Fantastic video man. Really excited to watch you grow
I have wondered this exact same thing. I feel like home ice doesnt matter much, but hockey arenas in the playoffs are crazy loud, so yiu would think it would be a big advantage. The biggest thing I can think of is teams on the road are very focused. They don't have to worry about their family or getting friends tickets, theu simply focus on the game
Road teams also can be more patient and just play their game. They don’t have to hear the groans and boos that might start if they’re home and things aren’t going well. That can cause you to press and try to do too much.
I’ve been of the opinion for a while that the higher seed should play A-A-H-H-H-A-H in the playoffs. Teams get to treat the start of a series as a “business trip” while still getting the most pivotal games in their own building.
Ive also noticed that since the gambling on hockey took off, secondary assists are not always a guarantee…. where back in the day you could bank on secondary assists being gifted to stars at home
Used to have travel work teams and the travel teams were 100 percent more efficient at performing work. No families to suck energy and time away. A clean hotel room to go back to with a bar downstairs. Everyone meeting in a rental van for work everyday. Everyone on time, rested, and making lots of money to pay their child support. A selected A-Team.
The thumbnail 😂😢
Leafs goanna leaf.
Rink dimensions are the same today. Before each rink was sized to fit the arena. Boston garden was joked as playing in a phone booth.
Fans- in NC there are many teams ( NYR, Detroit, Pittsburgh) that there’s almost as many visiting fans as home fans. Restricting sales didn’t stop the locals from buying their tickets. 😂😂
Can you do a video breaking down what is the best forechecking systems and why? or just a systems video in general. Love the tempo and rhythm of these vids
love these videos man! Keep up the great work and insightful analysis!
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Drew doughty came to Vancouver once and met a girl in a bar she was with her boyfriend in that bar he walked up to her ignoring her bf and said let me buy me and u some drinks she continuously said no I’m with my boy friend right now he went on to say “do you even know who the fuck i am” her bf would then step telling him to back off he would then tell her bf that he has money to pay for drinks and said he would treat her better than he dose 4:22 saw him and just thought of that- girl my dad thought how to drive he’s a driving instructor
I remember looking at Panthers hit date a couple years ago and realized they were inflating Radko Gudas’ hit stat at home to get him the most hits in the league. The home/ away difference was crazy
Same thing happened with Robert Hagg for the Flyers. At the end of games it would say 10 hits and we we're always like.... when??
Also, I think some teams get pumped when they have the crowd against them, gets them more fired up
Colorado and Carolina would like to differ
Visiting team fan advantage. 😂😂😂
Because NHL doesn't have fan culture. Home advantage is still reall important in Europe
I was a referee in both ball hockey and Ice-Hockey. Ice hockey is significantly harder then ball.
The plays get made faster and you have less time to make a call. Once, I even took 2 seconds too long to call a tripping penalty (behind the play) and wasn't able to call it because the kids scored before I could lift my arm. At 8 yo, they had time to make a pass and a shot before my dumbass could lift his arm. At this point, I kind of gave up on explaining myself and allowed the goal. Reffing is really hard man.
It's because they start having afternoon games and in the playoffs finals they always start at 5pm pacific time so everyone can watch. That takes away the advantage.
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Jon Cooper actually is 2-1 in home Game 7's.
2015 vs DET: 2-0 W
2021 vs NYI: 1-0 W
2018 vs WSH: 0-4 L
Thank you for this. I'm suffering from withdrawals. Is it October yet?
A big factor is being from the area where you play and what that's about besides being familiar with the area is being embarrassed. If you and your family are from Russia and another guy was raised in Boston it's going to be worse for him if he has a bad game in Boston.
Very well done.
Home ice advantage is the ONLY rule in hockey thats actual enforced according to the rule book and not just "game management" thats made this game so hard to explain to newcomers
You forgot Delay of Game (Puck over the glass). Always funny in playoffs when the refs "let the teams play" and then the only penalty they call is someone's failed/unlucky clear attempt.
Great video essay. I think you made a lot of interesting points. In the future I think you might want to think about the graphs you're using better - if you divided the number of penalties etc by the number of games, you'd get the rate per season and it'd normalize the data so you could also compare during the lockout shortened seasons. I can't think of a good reason to not show the rate chart instead of the actual sums!
Excellent video. And some nice myths busted.
Well made video.
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If the NHL really wanted to boost the home ice advantage, one solution would be to de-standardize the ice surface. Give the teams a 180-200ft range for lengths, 80-100ft range for width, and the corner radius range from 22ft to 28ft. Teams can then adjust the rink to suit their individual needs, and home ice would become a lot more important.
That would make the league worse
@@tomcooks2562depends on how you look at it. I’m pretty sure baseball still has variation in their fields.
Hockey used to have different rinks back in the day too, depending on the venue.
What you suggest for home ice advantage is far out there you might as well then install hydraulics under the ice to tilt it in the home teams favour every period
Awesome video! Liked and subscribed
Banger of a video
I know you're talking about the NHL here, but there are some significant advantages to being at home in other sports.
In Basketball, road teams typically have a much lower free throw percentage then they do at home due to distractions around the basket, all the way to the point that some arenas are trying to maximize this advantage.
In Baseball, the ability to hit last is usually an advantage. There are also some other rules in regards to how teams set up their facilities, and teams build their rosters around that. Commerica park in Detroit is one example. It use to be a pitchers park because of how deep the fences were. They built a strong roster around pitching, and had a big advantage at home.
And in Football, the home team advantage is bigger than any sport. Vegas usually gives the home team a 3 point advantage. This is noticed when the teams offense or defense is on the field. When the home teams offense is on the field, the place is very quiet to allow the quarterback to make adjustments and allow receivers to hear. And on the flipside, when the home team is on defense, they make as much noise as they can, which makes it more difficult for the road team to audbile or make adjustments on the fly. It's why things like no huddle is very difficult as a road team, and they usually have to call 2-3 plays in the huddle in case they accomplish the first play successfully and the clock is running. Home teams can usually make those adjustments on the fly based on the defense.
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It isn’t. Just in Toronto. Because every team have 7-10 players from Toronto it’s their biggest games of the season in front of 100’ s of family and friends. So they play up a level.
Great Video
vancouver vs edmonton, edmonton at canucks... home advantage still matters
Bruins got the away ice advantage lately..
13:43 is that a Subnautica sound bite?
Great video but I just wanted to say something. At 9:05 you say that the gap between home and away penalties closed because of having less/no fans. Wouldn’t that just be a result of having less games, thus having a smaller sample size. Idk I might be wrong. It didn’t change the fact that the video was good tho. Good work and editing.
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At 9:05 it is worth considering that the game in penalties between home and away fans may also be attributed to the factor of there being less games in the season as well. If anything, that hypothesis may be the more valid explanation since in the shortened 2013 season there was also a drastic reduction in the gap between home and away penalty calls.
Thier used to be only 1 ref so players could get away with more now therebis a back ref and a front ref
Less fans more suits ..
9:10 I thought most of the COVID/Bubble games were played in neutral arenas? Yes, there was a "home"/"away" team, but if I'm remembering correctly, neither team would actually be at home.
I can now blame all penalties I don't like on objectively unfair refs
Not 7:29 my pookie makar
You young commentators make me laugh about hockey was less dangerous back then .
I watched from 64 to prevent and speed is because of equipment better training and open borders for players around the world However during Gretzky Super Mario an NHL player had to carry another player on his back because it wasn't called .
It was Al Iafrati black in 93 who held the hardest shot 105.2 mph until 6ft 9 Zdeno Chára
shot a 108.8 2012 almost 20 years later. Al Iafrate used a wooden stick about 5 times heavier and no flex . If you put players today in equipment from then they wouldn't make the NHL in it . Today if you touch a players stick and he drops it you get a penalty .
When you had to break the wooden stick before . No composite stick could break a wood stick. Yes it was different but not slower like people say today .
Goalies aren't better today . None will win as many games as Bordure or Roy .
Goalies were 6ft 1 advantage today 6ft 5 is . Back then leather pads and then they got today 's pads .The games today have 2 referees only one then . Different not so much faster. Also remember players would have to work in the 50's and 60's and training was not able . NHL players had real jobs after hockey . War too .Don't compare today when these
players today have to have money to play . They are watched from 12 years old .
imagine playing for the habs? yikes, did someone say road trip? LFG!
5:15
As a New York Rangers fan, it helps when 30 to 50 percent of the away games crowd is wearing your teams jersey in the stands...
lmao, those subnautica sound effects 😂
Online ticket sales have made it easier for road fans to attend games as well.
I think it's directly related to the loser mentality the team has. They will play how they feel like playing, and the fans will have to live with it (because they have for almost a decade). They don't care about upsetting nor pleasing home ice fans, it's just another game. As long as they look mildly displeased as the key moments throughout the season when things inevitably don't work they can ride their way into a golf filled summer holiday only to rinse and repeat for next season. The goldfish fans and media deserve it when they have totally forgot the plot 3-4 months after the last season ended. Media has basically fully accepted marner back aboard now.. Meanwhile in my opinion that loser played his last shift when he let pastrnak skate by him in the final game of the last playoff run.. He won't deal? ok so what? Were just going to give him all that wasted ice time next season instead of benching him to give it to a young kid who actually deserves it. The fanbase and media surrounding this team are almost disappointing and gutless as they are.
If home ice advantage is not as big as it used to be, wouldn’t that mean that teams might not compete as hard especially as soon as they make the playoffs?
If so, I wonder if there could be another advantage they could be given for being the better regular season team.
It never mattered for toronto. A game in TO is a home game for most players in the NHL as they are mostly from around the gta
Nashville would like to have a talk
5:17 "...in hockey there are very RARELY relatively UNcontested scoring chances where NOT a single person had an argument for a penalty call ANYWHERE on the ice leading to a goal."
Sorry, I don't follow. Does this mean that scoring chances in hockey result in more arguments for a penalty, somewhere on the ice, leading to a goal? I'm not sure.
Home ice advantage doesn't work for the Maple Leafs
Its not black and white. It depends on the sport, teams constitution/psyche, but maybe most important is the market you are playing in...
Like, new york will flip on you day to day.. i am a diehard giants/rangers fan. If i *had* to guess, i would guess eli manning had a better road record than he did in east rutherford, NJ. Like, eli could relax more on the road, kinda.
Markets that only have one team (portland trailblazers, green bay packers) is prolly huge. Then you got your specific, concrete home field advantages, (like i remember ryan clark's doctor told him, you cannot play @ Denver---mile high stadium. Like you could die.)
Or something like boston red sox/new york yankees... fenway park green monster in left and, (not sure about new yankee stadium, but) old yankee stadium right field wall used to be stupid closer, so they would both just stack their lineups with LH batters.
Very interesting though. Hockey is unique in that there are just certain things the home team just gets by default. Ty.
Did he really say the refs are having less and less impact on todays hockey games? Also, the games are more physical than ever? lol. This guy is nuts. Solid video tho bud.
Right ?
there is no way there is more hard hits now a days then the late 90's period
The bit about the league being more physical than ever is simply false, and he actually mentioned why earlier in the video. Home teams nowadays inflate hit and takeaway numbers, that’s simply a fact. Back in the 60’s-80’s, it wouldn’t count as a hit unless it was big contact or knocked a guy over. Nowadays, any small bump on a guy with the puck gets counted as a hit.
Its just the leafs
because only the suits can afford tickets and not real fans .
The games have been overrun with crybaby, privileged divas. There's almost no physicality anymore, and fans have lost interest. Most of the people at the games are kids or business people who are just there to talk and go out for dinner.
@@user-nw4ln6gr5v did you even watch the video?
@@NolanEgbert im bringing attention to more problems
There is no evidence to support this take, sounds like you’re speaking from your emotions.
Your wrong. Home ice advantage is the most improtsnt thing. Championships teams don’t lose on home ice (like the lakers or Vegas last year). Meanwhile the leafs are 4-12 at home, that’s why they are a joke