John 1:1-18 Explained (Pt 1) In the beginning was the word?? - Anthony Buzzard & J. Dan Gill
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- Bible -- Verse -- Commentary. John 1:1-18. J. Dan Gill and Anthony Buzzard consider John's Prologue. This video reflects on John's perspective as a Jewish writer coming from the perspective of the Hebrew Bible rather than the post-biblical perspective of later Gentile Christians.
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I love these conversations! To add my 2 cents, Isiah 55:11 talks about the word that goes out from God's mouth accomplishing all that he sends it to do.
That was one of the earliest O.T. verses that hooked me on the Christian life. I say it also alludes to O.S.A.S..
The person of the Word is Jehovah Himself. But God's word is merely God's voice.
The word "plan" is not in the bible.
"Father" is not mentioned until De. 32:6 because man was not ready for a father/ son relationship until after the Flood.
Mentions of the Son of God in the O.T. are merely prophetic.
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The Word is simply God's Word. Going back to Genesis 3:15 God speaks about sending Jesus.
thats my view too.
John 1:1 , the word, is written like proverbs 8 about wisdom. Wisdom was with God in the beginning. Yes I agree, someone said, concerning Jesus,” what sort of wisdom has been given him?” ( Mark 6:3 )
Compare ( 1 Corinthians 1:30 ) “Jesus Christ has become to us wisdom from God, as well righteousness, sanctification and redemption.”
Both the word and wisdom come from God.
I’d love to sit and chat with these two gentlemen. John, in the beginning of his gospel (pun intended) goes back in time before Genesis. John starts before creation, when there was no creation or creature… only God and his reasoning and internal debate about the plan that He would soon set in motion. A plan that would lead to the lamb slain before the foundations of the earth, a plan that would lead to the messiah and salvation of mankind, and when Jesus was born and stepped out into the part he was born to play… the plan had been ‘made flesh’ or realized or come to fruition.
People cling to a post-Nicene definition of the word “word” or rather the Greek word logos, when we have text from the very time of Jesus and the disciples that describes the word logos in a way that anyone can derive its actual meaning from. Philo of Alexandria, a Jewish philosopher of the time, writes clearly about the logos of God. He describes the logos as the internal debate and reasoning that happens in an architects mind while planning the building of a city… before putting pen to paper or hammer to nail. The logos of the architect develops the plan that will become the city, and the logos exist only within the mind of the architect. In John’s gospel, John is telling us of the greatest architect of all time. John is describing the thought process and reasoning that God used to plan all creation and the salvation of that creation.
Fast forward a hundred years to Tertullian… he also uses the word logos in a way that we can pull the definition from. He speaks of a human logos as well as God’s logos. His usage confirms Philos usage.
When you are getting ready to leave your house and drive to the store, you think about which roads are better and which turns are quicker and all kinds of details about your upcoming trip to the store… that is your logos.
Logos can be described as “word” although I think that’s a poor definition in modern times, because we think of word in the literary or spoken sense. Logos meaning word would be purely in the idea that a word is an expression of thought.
John 1:1 and Genesis would seem to refer to the same "beginning" John MUST refer to the beginning of creation, because God has no " beginning"
That's their interpretation, their is nothing specifically worded in the Greek that would suggest this..
"Word" is actually a fairly inaccurate translation of "Logos" anyways, even when it originally was translated..
@@Hikariett
You are correct in saying that God had no beginning, but the planning process or reasoning out His creation did have a beginning. All of that planning and reasoning took place before the actual creation... and that is exactly what 'logos' in John 1 is referring to. Before creation, was the plan for creation.
We have this idea that God just created everything on the fly and it all worked out, because He is God... and that is exactly the conclusion that one would reach by Genesis alone.
However, a deep dive into the word 'logos' by using such people who used the word 'logos' in the very same time period of the writing of the gospel of John, we can see that John 1 goes before Genesis and the creation. John 1 starts when there was nothing, but God and His planning process and reasoning out of the creation to come.
Philo of Alexandria used the word 'logos' in a wonderful way, so that we could actually derive an accurate definition from the text. He said:
As therefore the city, when previously shadowed out in the mind of the man of architectural skill had no external place, but was stamped solely in the mind of the workman, so in the same manner neither can the world which existed in ideas have had any other local position except the DIVINE REASON (logos) which made them;
What Philo is saying here is that before a city is built, the architect makes the design in his mind. This creation of the city in the architect's mind is then compared to the creation of the world. Before it was realized in the physical universe, it only existed in the mind of God.
I like to explain it as follows:
You decide that you need to go grocery shopping. While getting ready to pull out the driveway, you're thinking about the path you will take. Will you turn on this road or that road? Which is the faster route? Which route will avoid the most traffic? Etc... THAT... is your logos. It's your thought process, your reasoning, your planning.
The word 'logos' can technically be translated into 'word', and it's not an entirely inaccurate description... assuming the reader knows that it is not simply a written or spoken word. But rather it is all of the processes that go on in the mind before that word is spoken or written. It is all of the questions of why that word is chosen. Why use this word? What is the meaning behind this word? What do you hope to project by using this word? Etc. It's the thought process and reasoning behind the word, not the actual word.
So yeah, I believe John 1 starts before actual creation and begins with the planning of creation... and Genesis simply starts at creation.
@@kevin8360
"We have this idea that God just created everything on the fly and it all worked out" - whoever has this idea hasnt read their bible...
"but the planning process or reasoning out His creation did have a beginning" - literally the BEGINNING OF CREATION, Genesis being just slightly further on from that [if that was accurate]
you very clearly havent read the scriptures about creation in their proper context, theres loads that contridict what you have said..
this Philo of Alexandria did he provide an actual biblical evidence? because he again he has ignored a ton of evidence..
"The word 'logos' can technically be translated into 'word', and it's not an entirely inaccurate description..." -- I said fairly inaccurate, and do you know biblical Greek?
@@Hikariett I find it ironic that you say whoever believes God just created everything and it all worked out, should read their Bible… then go on to say that He planned it out, right before starting.
He could have planned for trillions of years before starting, and you’d never know.
All I know is that Genesis starts with the very beginning of creation, and John starts before creation… to show the amazing planning ability of God.
So yeah, no matter how you spin it, John tells the story from an earlier starting point than genesis.
You could ask Philo himself, if he hadn’t died 2000 years ago. He’s not the only Koine Greek speaking philosopher that we have writing about logos. If you care to know what the word means, it’s easy enough to derive from their writings.
@@kevin8360
"then go on to say that He planned it out, right before starting. " - notice the bit in brackets at the end? do you read?
if "The Word" is Gods thoughts [Literally], Why is Jesus called / labeled "ho logos" - in multiple places?
"All I know is that Genesis starts with the very beginning of creation, and John starts before creation… to show the amazing planning ability of God. " - you know or you believe people who say that? and ignore other evidence?
How can Gods thoughts become flesh?, you could say manifestation, But the Greek doesn't use the word "manifestation" instead "became flesh" - highlighting "Human" basically [the qualitive force of this is very prominent]
A question for people in both sides of the issue: If you believe Jesus Christ is The Only Begotten Son of God, you obey his directives, do as he did and as he said to do , is that good enough?
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is the meat of the gospel. Acts 2:38 is your response to it. Then yes, do what Jesus said to do.
his message was not to believe he was G-d or triune .... but simply keep his commandments in order to make it into the comng kingdom
@@markullah9590 Whew! Glad we got that cleared up.. I never believed Jesus was “G-d” either.
- However, I DO believe Jesus is the manifestation of יהוה in the flesh.
Jesus was the first born of many brethren. We become as He became .. and is.
John 1:1 is not linked to the Genesis account. God had no beginning, and of course, he Created Jesus (the word) first, then the Angels also sons of God. Who were all present during the creation of the universe ending with mankind's creation Job 38:4-7.
In the beginning ... the term “beginning” depends on the context. Here the Greek word ar·kheʹ cannot refer to “the beginning” of God the Creator, for he is eternal, having no beginning. (Ps 90:2) It must, therefore, refer to the time when God began creating. God’s first creation was termed the Word, *(In the beginning was the Word)* a heavenly designation of the one who became Jesus. (Joh 1:14-17) So Jesus is the only one who can rightly be called “the firstborn of all creation.” (Col 1:15) He was “the beginning of the creation by God” (Re 3:14), so he existed before other spirit creatures and the physical universe were created. In fact, by means of Jesus, “all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth.”-Col 1:16.
*If John wanted to say “the Word was God,” as so many English translations have it,* he could have very easily done so by simply adding the definite article “the” (ho) to the word “god” (theos), making it “the god” and therefore “God.” He could have simply written ho logos ēn ho theos (word-for-word: “the word was the god”), or ho logos ho theos ēn (word-for-word: “the word the god was”). *But he didn’t. If John didn’t, why do the translators?*
*John wrote what Jesus said saying, “... No man has seen God at any time;. . .” - John 1:18. Years later long after Jesus' death and resurrection John wrote 1 John 4:12 “No one has seen God at any time”. Paul also said 500 plus witnesses saw Jesus after his resurrection. John is very resistant to the Word (Jesus) as God. John did not believe in the Trinity or that Jesus is God in any way or form.*
The Word (Jn 1:1) is the Word of God's utterance. It is not a person, it is not pre-human Jesus, it is not God the Son, it is not God Jesus. God (1:1b) is not just God, but the God - YHWH Elohim. God (1:1c) is not 'God', but what God is. 🙂It is not just 'a god' in NWT.🥲
Really, you say the word was "it"? Then "it" made all things? Cant be, as these scripture bare out your, so called "it", was a "Him"; Jesus!
Colossians 1:16
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"
Hebrews 1: 1-3
"God, who at various times and in diverse ways spoke long ago to the fathers through the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the world. 3 He is the brightness of His glory, the express image of Himself, and upholds all things by the word of His power."
John 1:3
"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
So, what God is this, that made all things? Verse 14 of first chapter of John tells us who this "word" God is, Jesus; "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
You also inaccurately say that; "the Son was not there in the beginning", yet Jesus himself said he was; "“And now, O Father, glorify Me in Your own presence with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.” John 17:5.
Which also goes along with Genesis account of creation saying; "Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Genesis 1:26. "Us", speaking of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, for they were all there, all eternal beings with no beginning, nor end.
When in John 1:18, the writer says the son is in the bosom of the Father, John is accommodating himself to man's finite understanding, and speaking as a man like Paul said: "...ye have compelled me".
What?
What scriptural evidence do you have to support your interpretation?
@@Eclectifying Sorry, I meant John 1:18. Elsewhere of course, John says that Jesus, upon his ascension sat down at the right hand of the majesty on High. In 1:18 it is conveyed to the reader as in the bosom of the Father. In the Book of Acts, the ascended Lord (there is only one) is called the Holy child Jesus. All these allusions and more are to accommodate to man's finite understanding until we go and learn what those things mean. One Christian lady had a dream where God showed her what "the right hand of God" meant. The Lord revealed to her that it meant that upon his ascension, the son of God went back to being the arm or hand of God as in the O.T. where God is said to extend His hand into the earth or like where it says "To whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?".
The arm of God can, at times, be an angel that he does his will through. ( Acts 13:17; Exodus 23:23 ; Exodus 32:34 ))
@@linvest8466 Amen.
Yod Heh Vav Heh!
Yehovah YHVH-JHVH in English, it's Jehovah, As the language is read right to left, the letter sequence is actually HVHY, and mean this pictographically:
H = ה = hey = behold/reveal/breath
V = י = yod = arm/hand/work/deed/worship
H = ה = hey = behold/reveal/breath
Y = ו = vav = nail/secure/add/and
When read pictographically, the word YHVH means, “Behold the hand, behold the nail.”
Contemporary English Version John 20:25
So they told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But Thomas said, "First, I must see the nail scars in his hands and touch them with my finger. I must put my hand where the spear went into his side. I won't believe unless I do this!"
Jesus' name means Jehovah is salvation. Emmanuel means Jehovah is with us.
Most Bible writers After the book of Acts refer to the Father as the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. These early Jewish Christians clearly had a different perspective on the Father's position in relationship to His Son Jesus Christ "the Lord"
These guys know they’re not teaching the truth. Wolves in sheeps’ clothing.
They are just talking within themselves and comforting themselves in the end with their deception
There's a lot of problems with John 1:1. Grammar etc. It should be translated as the word was divine.
The way mainstream Christianity understands the logos of John 1 is not how the 1st Century CE Christians understood it. So the teaching of the logos came about from a Greek Philosopher known as Heraclitus in 600 BCE who designated the logos as divine reason or plan. Later Philo mentioned how logos of G-d is the bond of everything including creation. So what is the logos? The logos is one's thoughts, idea, plan etc. So in John's prologue (John 1) the author is stating how G-d's logos (thoughts, ideas, plan) was made manifest in the life and testimony of Jesus. Now in John 1 the logos is not a person. Also the chapter is subjected to translator bias. As mentioned earlier John 1:1 should be rendered as the word was divine. Also one should note that in Greek there is only 1 case of letters. So translators biasly capitalize the W for Word to make it appear it's refering to a person.
Also they translate the word as he or him. But there are no other places in Scripture where “word,” (logos) is translated as “he” or “him.” It is never a person. The translators always exchange the masculine pronoun for “it.” For example:
Matthew 13:20 (NASB)”The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word [logos] and immediately receives it with joy.”
Notice how the Tyndale and Geneva Bible doesn't captialize the W in word or call it a he or him
John 1:1-5 (Tyndale Bible 1526) In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men 5and the lyght shyneth in the darcknes but the darcknes comprehended it not.
John 1:1-5 (Geneva Bible 1560) In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was [e]with God, and that [f]Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 And that light shineth in the wilderness,
Another consideration to take is in English, we differentiate between G-d and other so called gods by capitalizing the “G” when it refers to The G-d of Israel YHVH. But since New Testament Greek manuscripts were written using all one case of letters, another way was needed to differentiate between G-d and gods. So in order to signal to the reader that theos is referring to G-d (YHVH), the New Testament writers add the definite article “the” which is “ho” in Greek. So ho theos or “the G-d” is used to refer to YHVH. This contrasts with the first mentioning of this noun expressed by ton theon, the accusative case of ho theos (“the G-d”), the noun theos preceded by the definite article ho
It is evident from the Greek text, where, as we have just seen, the definite article ho appears before the first mention of G-d in the sentence, but is omitted before the second
For this reason, some translators render John 1:1 as “the word was deity” or “was divine.”
Conclusion: The logos is not a person in John 1 but simply was understood by 1st Century CE Christians that the logos was G-d's thoughts, ideas, plan made manifest in the life and testimony of Jesus
" And the Word was God!" The rules of Greek grammar say so! Scholars with PHDs in ancient Greek say so. That's it for me! And it should be for you as well. The ancient Codex Sinaiticus from 350AD also says so!
John’s prologue is not about Genesis creation at all.
It’s about the beginning of Jesus ministry just like the other gospels.
What do we know about the knowledge of St John’s Greek?! How much Greek did St John knew when he wrote his Gospel?! Did he thought Greek as well or he thought in Hebrew and then wrote In Greek?!
Plan design, intention... Through it not him. Pre KJV
Religions, Doctrines, Dogma, Creeds, Churches - all are men-made.
That's Awfully dogmatic
@@ConquerModernity111 Yeah, the only TRUE dogmatic
Only until you have experienced A higher power, will you continually base everything as man made. Have you ever picked up something at your feet, threw it across the street and thought it’s lost for good, but then in a blink of the eye, it reappears at your feet. It happened to me. It must be God! Who is all knowing!
Facts
John 1 is talking about the Holy Spirit of God that has come from God to dwell in the animated body of Jesus, the chosen vessel the spirit shall speak through... the same spirit that hovered over the earth and speaks to the father, let there be light, and the father responds by giving the spirit what he asks for... ask and it shall be given.... the holy spirit is the logos of the source as one.... its the same spirit that dwells in all creation, and the logos breathed his spirit into the nostrils and man became a living soul.... without the spirit in us we are spiritually dead, which is why Jesus said after his resurrection, do not touch me; because he is just a carcass without it.
1 John 5:7 please give it a read.
That verse is not in the original text.
It should be noted that 1 John 5:7 often referred to as the Johannine Comma is not an original. It was added in the Latin Manuscripts in the 4th Century CE and the Greek Manuscripts in the 16th Century CE. Scholars are in agreement that it's not an original and many translations note this.
The way KJV translates the verse
1 John 5:7-8 (KJV) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
How it should be translated. Three witness are the Spirit, the water, and the blood.
1 John 5:7-8 (NASB) "For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."
Can I read John1:1 this way?: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was divine(a deity since this is one which the Greek word Theo is to be read).
why do you put the capital W on it, and assume it is a being separate from God, but still insist they are one?
Jesus is the Son of God. Begotten of God before all creation. By him were all things made and without him was nothing made that was made.
In Rev 19 the rider of the white horse who’s garments are sprinkled with blood, in verse 13 says his name (the rider) is the word of God. I understand this verse the same way as John 1:1 in that Christ (The anointed) now has a different purpose than his fleshly purpose (word) of Yahweh and that in this instance its as the rider of the white horse role of Rev 19:11-16
It all goes back to Yahweh’s purpose and his word drives that purpose to his “delight”.
1:1 In the beginning recalls the creation story of Genesis, but speaks more clearly of the Creator Himself. Furthermore, while Genesis spoke of the first creation, this “Prologue” of John (vv. 1-18) reveals the new creation in Christ.
Was the Word (Gr. logos): The Word is the eternal Son of God. Was indicates existence without reference to a starting point and emphasizes the Word’s eternal existence without beginning. Logos can mean “wisdom,” “reason,” and “action” as well as “word,” all of which are attributes of the Son of God. The Word was with God: With shows that the Word-the Son of God-is a distinct Person from the Father and that He is in eternal communion with the Father. The Word was God: The Word-the Son of God-is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father; He Himself is God with the same divinity as the Father. Some twist and mistranslate this phrase “the Word was a god” in order to propagate their heresy that the Son of God is a created being, a creature not fully divine. Such a translation is unsupportable, false, dishonest, and deceptive.
1:3 The Word is the co-Creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit (Gn 1; Ps 32:6, 9; Heb 1:2) and not merely an instrument or servant used by the Father. Will, operation, and power are one in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Thus, the heavens and the earth are the works of the One who made them, while the Son was not made but is eternally begotten of the Father.
1:4 Only God has life in Himself. Thus, the Word, being God, is the source of life, together with the Father and the Holy Spirit. The life was the light of men: John now introduces mankind as receiver of the divine light. By participating in the life of the Son, believers themselves become children of the light (12:36; Eph 5:8; 1Th 5:5). Moses saw the divine light in the burning bush (Ex 3:2); the whole nation saw it at the Red Sea (Ex 13:21); Isaiah saw it in his heavenly vision (Is 6:1-5); and three apostles saw it at the Transfiguration (Mt 17:1-5).
1:5 Darkness indicates both spiritual ignorance and satanic opposition to the light. Those who hate truth prefer ignorance for themselves and strive to keep others ignorant as well (John 3:19). The word translated comprehend means both “understand” and “overcome.” Thus, darkness can never overpower the light of Christ, nor can it understand the way of love.
1:6 This John is John the Baptist, not the author of this Gospel.
1:9-11 Christ offers light to every person, but the world and even many of His own refuse to receive Him; thus, they can neither know nor recognize Him. Those who accept Him have His light. In a hymn sung at the end of Liturgy, after hearing the Gospel and receiving communion, we sing, “We have seen the true light, we have received the heavenly Spirit.”
1:12 Right also means “authority” and indicates a gift from God, not an inalienable right. Those who receive Christ become children of God by adoption (Gal 4:4-7) and by grace inherit everything Christ is by nature. To believe in
His name means to believe and trust in Him who in His humanity took the name Jesus as Word, Son, Messiah, and Savior.
1:13 Adoption as a child of God is not a matter of ethnic descent (of blood) as it was in the OT; nor are we children of God simply by natural birth (the will of the flesh), nor by man’s own decision (the will of man). Becoming a child of God is a spiritual birth by grace, through faith, and in the Holy Spirit. This is accomplished and manifested in the sacrament of Holy Baptism (John 3:5-8; see Tts 3:4-7).
1:14 The Word became flesh clarifies the manner in which the Son and Word of God came to His people (vv. 9-11), pointing specifically to His Incarnation. The Word became fully human without ceasing to be fully God. He assumed complete human nature: body, soul, will, emotion, and even mortality-everything that pertains to humanity except sin. As God and Man in one Person, Christ pours divinity into all of human nature, for anything not assumed by Christ would not have been healed.
Dwelt among us: In the OT, God’s presence dwelt (“tabernacled”) in the ark of the covenant and later in the temple. Here, the eternal Word comes to dwell in and among humanity itself. His glory refers both to His divine power shown by His signs and wonders (2:11; 11:4, 40), and to His humble service to mankind, shown most perfectly on the Cross (12:23-32; 13:31). In both ways, Christ reveals that He is the One sent from the Father.
Only begotten of the Father: The Son has no beginning, but has the Father as His source from eternity. He is called only begotten because there is no other born from the Father. (The Holy Spirit exists eternally from the Father through another mystery called “procession”; see John 15:26.)
Full of grace and truth: This phrase qualifies both the Word and His glory. Grace is Christ’s uncreated energy given to us through His love and mercy. Truth includes His faithfulness to His promises and covenants and to the reality of His words and gifts.
1:16 In saying we have all received of His fullness, the Scriptures confirm that God’s grace can fill human nature to the extent of actually deifying it. In Christ, God’s children become gods by grace (10:34, 35) without ceasing to be human. As metal thrust into fire takes on properties of fire (such as heat and light) without ceasing to be metal, so human nature permeated by God takes on properties of the divine nature. Grace for grace is a Semitic expression signifying an overabundance of grace.
1:18 No one has seen God at any time: No one can see the nature, or essence, of God, for to see God is to die (Ex 33:20). Only One who is Himself divine can see God, and thus the Son is the only One who can declare Him. This revelation of God’s energies can be received by the faithful. Moses saw the “back” of God (Ex 33:21-23); Isaiah saw His glory (see Is 6:1; John 12:41).
You should also believe/have the mind you are eternally begotten/predetermined. Philippians 2:5
you are also one with God, John 17.
John 16:23 and 24 there is a double negative dropped from the greek texts which without the passage doesn't make much sense.
Hebrews 2:17
Do you believe that this scripture was tampered with.
Why do you think the word “word” means a word as we know a spoken word?!!!! You have to see how many meanings are there in Greek for logos. You English speakers without any understanding of the other languages and roots of the words in other languages making up your own translation to fit your purposes. And that is dishonest and ignorant, feel sorry for the people that sit under your teaching.
"Jesus Christ is God!" The ( I AM) the Jews took up stone to kill him; knowing what Jesus just said. Isaiah saw him, Abraham saw him, Amos saw him.
The God of Glory, Jesus Christ. You will not see any but HIM.
I believe when Jesus said "I AM" to mean he was identifying himself as THE MESSIAH. And for many Jews to say you are the Messiah and it appears you don't qualify to be such, is like blasphemy.
"The Jews answered him [Pilate], We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God," John 19:7.
This is very close to Jehovah’s Witness doctrine which is very scary
All the benefits of that cult without the membership.
(The destination however, is the same.)
John 17 v 5. Jesus the master worker with his father before the world was. Yes seems un-concievsble to us. What about Mary conceiving without having a sexual relationship - many people believe in that.
Our words fade as we speak. The living world of God is alive and lives. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the Word was God. John 1:1
The same was in the beginning with God John 1:2. All things were made by him;and without him was not anything made that was made John 1:3. In him was life and the life was the light of men. John is clearly taking us to the beginning from before existence was and giving us the identification of our lord Jesus Christ in an eternal sense. Giving us a time before he the earthly person came to dwell with us. In John 1:14, he states the word was made flesh and dwelt among us. In Colossians 1:15 - 17Paul, speaking about Jesus, says “who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things made, that are in the heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, weather they be thrones,or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him and he is before all things and by him all things consist. God and Jesus are clearly 2 separate entities but one. God the allmight is the supreme being and the son is the living word that manifested as Jesus Christ, which all thing became🧐. If Jesus is the word of God. He has always been that word and all accounts of God speaking has always been Jesus Christ. Weather speaking in the garden. Or mount Sinai. God told Moses that we could not look upon his face because he was just that. They work that had not became flesh. Jesus Christ is our God and is the living God. I pray for you and pray for all you speak is the word of God.
Should be following you. So good! Thx
Anthony Buzzard makes things up. eisegesis : the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas.
Precisely
There's a lot of problems with John 1:1. Grammar etc. It should be translated as the word was divine.
The way mainstream Christianity understands the logos of John 1 is not how the 1st Century CE Christians understood it. So the teaching of the logos came about from a Greek Philosopher known as Heraclitus in 600 BCE who designated the logos as divine reason or plan. Later Philo mentioned how logos of G-d is the bond of everything including creation. So what is the logos? The logos is one's thoughts, idea, plan etc. So in John's prologue (John 1) the author is stating how G-d's logos (thoughts, ideas, plan) was made manifest in the life and testimony of Jesus. Now in John 1 the logos is not a person. Also the chapter is subjected to translator bias. As mentioned earlier John 1:1 should be rendered as the word was divine. Also one should note that in Greek there is only 1 case of letters. So translators biasly capitalize the W for Word to make it appear it's refering to a person.
Also they translate the word as he or him. But there are no other places in Scripture where “word,” (logos) is translated as “he” or “him.” It is never a person. The translators always exchange the masculine pronoun for “it.” For example:
Matthew 13:20 (NASB)”The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word [logos] and immediately receives it with joy.”
Notice how the Tyndale and Geneva Bible doesn't captialize the W in word or call it a he or him
John 1:1-5 (Tyndale Bible 1526) In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men 5and the lyght shyneth in the darcknes but the darcknes comprehended it not.
John 1:1-5 (Geneva Bible 1560) In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was [e]with God, and that [f]Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 And that light shineth in the wilderness,
Another consideration to take is in English, we differentiate between G-d and other so called gods by capitalizing the “G” when it refers to The G-d of Israel YHVH. But since New Testament Greek manuscripts were written using all one case of letters, another way was needed to differentiate between G-d and gods. So in order to signal to the reader that theos is referring to G-d (YHVH), the New Testament writers add the definite article “the” which is “ho” in Greek. So ho theos or “the G-d” is used to refer to YHVH. This contrasts with the first mentioning of this noun expressed by ton theon, the accusative case of ho theos (“the G-d”), the noun theos preceded by the definite article ho
It is evident from the Greek text, where, as we have just seen, the definite article ho appears before the first mention of G-d in the sentence, but is omitted before the second
For this reason, some translators render John 1:1 as “the word was deity” or “was divine.”
Conclusion: The logos is not a person in John 1 but simply was understood by 1st Century CE Christians that the logos was G-d's thoughts, ideas, plan made manifest in the life and testimony of Jesus
Sacharija 2:12-15, 2 Persons that are called YHWH
The NT writers were not saying Jesus is the G-d of Israel. They do however show he's a barer of G-d's name.
One needs to look at second temple ideas from Rabbinic literarure. So the concept of the whole Angel of the LORD being able to forgive sins and G-d saying his name is in him in Exodus 23:21. It is the same model the writers of the NT are trying to model about Jesus being able to forgive sins. This is why we see early church fathers connect Jesus to Angel of the LORD. In other rabbinic sources we also have the angel Yahoel who's name means YHVH is G-d. This angel speaks to Abraham and that he can do things by baring the name of G-d in Jewish literature. Also Metatron, another angel mentioned in rabbinic sources, was often seen as another barer of G-d's name. Often referred to as the Little YHVH. We see this more in depth when the rabbi in Sanhedrin 38b:19-20 explains it. Anyways the authors definitely didn't view Jesus as G-d. They did believe he was the messiah, they believed he was a barer of G-d's name which allowed him to have the ability to forgive sins and seemed to connect him to the Angel of the LORD.
Hmmm, so I am unsure as to whether you are claiming that Jesus Christ is or is not God....
Are you affirming or denying the deity of Jesus Christ 🙏
Please clarify....if you can🙏
They are saying that Christ is the son of God. And that the Trinity is a false Doctrine. John 11 has been mistranslated or purposefully translated in a way that leans towards the trinitarian understanding of the most high.
So, not God
@@robertwatley5249 so are you also denying the deity of Christ....
If so then every piece of Holy Scripture that points to Christs Deity must be debunked....
This is dangerous ground for a "Christian" to stand on....for you (they) are almost sounding like claiming Jesus is only a prophet...
Whilst not exhaustive at all this is only a summary of some scripture that points to Christs deity....but essentially all of John's Gospel is revelation about this very declaration....
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@@kyritsitonakis5802 I am claiming that Thr Most High is one, not a trinity. That is what Christ as well as his disciples taught, calling christ God is a grave sin, the first commandment warns against doing such
@@kyritsitonakis5802 Talking about John's gospel, when you read the book of john you must arrive at this conclusion,,,John 20:31 (KJV) But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John1:1-5 is explained by 1John1:1-4
In the beginning, was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. This same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. In it was life, and that life was the light of men. And that light shineth in the wilderness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.
🐟 John 1:1-5 GNV
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with these our eyes, which we have looked upon, and these hands of ours have handled of that word of life, (For that life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was made manifest unto us.) That I say, which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye may also have fellowship with us, and that our fellowship also maybe with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.
🐟1 John 1:1-3 - GNV
Peter Casula Jr
Jesus, the son of God? However, while Jesus may have allied himself with God there is not one scrap of evidence found to support any biological connection.
@@edwardlongfellow5819 I agree, your not reading what I'm trying to say about these Scriptures verese do you understand, please read the Scripture verses again?
I'm not mentioning Jesus or the Trinity?
@@FOMC6780
You appear confused, in your posts you do indeed mention Jesus. And you reference Jesus in 1 John 1:1-3 GNV. Incidentally, 1 John 1:1-3 in The Jerusalem Bible makes no direct naming of Jesus.
The authorship of the Prologue is unknown as is the whole Gospel of John. Rather it is hearsay -complete with contradictory statements. Thus it should not be relied upon as a truthful manuscript.
@@edwardlongfellow5819 Yes the word Jesus is in one of those verses.
I'm not referring to him as the explanation of John 1: 1-3?
What I'm referring to is the Word that was with God?
Now the majority of Christiandom believes that the Word in John 1: 1-3 is Jesus because of the Trinity doctrine?
That said; the word in Greek means LOGOS - Word, spoken or written often with a focus on the content of a communication or the express thought spoken into language?
For the whole Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable to teach, to convince, to correct, and to instruct in righteousness, that the man of God may be absolute being made perfect unto all good works. 2Tim3: 16-17.
I think you said that the GNV is not a reliable translation I could say that to others as well?
The authorship of the Prologue is unknown as is the whole Gospel of John. Rather it is hearsay -complete with contradictory statements. Thus it should not be relied upon as a truthful manuscript?
Are you saying just the Prologue is hearsay with contradictory statements?
Why is the Jerusalem Bible so superior in it's translation than the GNV, AKJV?
@@FOMC6780
A careful reading of the Gospel according to John will show that it is composed of contradictory hearsay. Therefore it cannot be relied upon as containing anything more than religious propaganda. As already mentioned I John 1-3 in The Jerusalem Bible makes no direct naming of Jesus, which shows that other bibles which contain the name Jesus in I John 1:1-3 was not in the original gospel.
A minor point perhaps but nevertheless a telling one.
"Jesuits teaching!"
Longfellow - The following Scriptures speak of you and why are you trying to understand the Scriptures with Worldly human understanding?
And for you others that say Jesus is God then why is he's revealing the Father all through the Gospels and not the Trinity?
Like I say all the time you people listen to your theology but don't listen to what Jesus said about himself?
There is no verse in the NT that Jesus said that he was God!
The very fact that God is a Spirit that no one has seen? so who did Jesus say that God was in John 4?
And I could not speak unto you, brethren, as unto spiritual men, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, and not meat: for ye were not yet able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1 Corinthians 3:1-3 -GNV
Peter Casula Jr
While you may accept that God is a spirit whom no man has seen there is evidence to the contrary in the Old Testament. Look to Exodus 33:11 where Moses spoke to Moses face to face.
@@edwardlongfellow5819 Now if you read the Scripture verse you quoted it to me it says the Lord spake unto Moses face to face?
Now if you did a comprehensive study of seeing Gods face in that chapter you would see that God said in verses 19-20 that you cannot see my face and Live!
When you do a study about a subject matter please use a Bible app and search all those Scriptures pertaining to that subject or word to get a proper understanding.
Another thing is don't use one verse to make your argument because I'll come back at you with many verse that go against you end of discussion!
But I have greater witness than the witness of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father sent me. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, beareth witness of me.
🐟Ye have not heard his voice at any time, neither have ye seen his shape.❗️
And his word have you not abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believed not.
🐟John 5:36-38 - GNV
Peter Casula Jr
The Bible cannot be the inspired word of God because it contains too many contradictions? God has either been seen or he has not you cannot have it both ways. Another example of God being seen is found in Exodus 23:17, "Three times a year all your males are to appear before the Lord GOD." Incidentally, that which may be of further interest is a statement given by Jesus himself "But I have greater witness than the witness of John:"(John 5:35) The Baptist was,.of course, dead by this time. As for the original witness himself, he had a change of mind, while in prison, entertaining, grave doubts that Jesus was ever the chosen one of God.
@@edwardlongfellow5819 "seen" doesn't really mean seen, alot of the time if you take the 2 scriptures you quote in their proper context.. most of the time the "face to face" or what a person is seeing is an angel [Who on multiple occasions are addressed and "act" as if they are the true God]
@@Hikariett
The Biblical writers who put pen to ink appear much confused as to what they were trying to impart. Moreover, when I speak to a person face-to-face I know to whom I am talking.
YAHUsha is a God, simply because His Father is also a GOD, same Substance but different levels of Authority, Genesis says let US make man in OUR image, Angels cannot create man so Who is the US and the OUR, also YAHUsha is seen in Heaven on the right hand of GOD, YAHUsha is the Word made flesh, YAHUsha was Spirit before, remember the Word that is spoken is Spirit and Life,
*[[Joh **8:42**]] KJV* Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me
@Jeff I have already done that,
@Jeff I wish you would speak clearly not only for my sake but also for others, Elohim means Mighty or based on context can mean a Judge, there is no such thing as a trinity, that is a Pagan concept
Are you making the point that Jesus existed as a being before his birth, and that he made man in his image? Also is it certain that angels could not create anything?
@@eddieyoung2104 Angels are created not creators, Christ existed as Spirit in The Spirit of YAHUAH, therefore it says "let us make man in our image"
@@eddieyoung2104 Pro 8:22 KJV The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
The Word was GOD, simply means that YAHUsha was in The FATHER the same way a baby is in its mother, when YAHUAH spoke His Word went forth and now The Word was with GOD, the same way a baby is with its mother after birth, these events happened outside of time because nothing existed to track time, there was only space but no matter so time could not be calculated without moving from point a to point b because again there was no matter so no points,
Pro 8:22 KJV The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
All things were made by Jesus, for Jesus.
*Same as John 1:*
Colossians 1:16-17
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Jesus is the creator, and he existed with the Father as the person he is, before all creation - from eternity - ie, God.
@@zackmac5917 1Co 8:6 ISV yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom everything came into being and for whom we live. And there is only one Lord, Jesus the Messiah, through whom everything came into being and through whom we live.
Your idea is partially correct and no fault of yours, it is the false doctrine of Christianity that seeks to make The Son and The Father the same Person, The Father is The Creator and Savior, there is none else, however The Father creates and saves through His Son, The Father is Spirit we cannot interact with The Spirit, and so The Son is a physical representation of The Father so we may understand and know The Father, tell me on your computer, can you see the Microsoft Windows Software? how do you interact with the Software? is it the Software that does everything or is it the plastic and metal of your computer? do you see that those who have designed the computer system have a better understanding of The Father and The Son? is the Software the same as the Hardware? based on your reasoning they would be, but now you should have a better understanding 😉