I use a 1 pound plastic coffee can with a snap on lid for lubing with the liquid alox. The 'ol lady don't like lube & bullets in her tupperware. You can cut the alox with thinner also. A little goes a long way.
Seems like a bit heavy on the Alox. I use probably 1/4 of that and have no issues whatsoever at target velocities. I also cut with maybe a 1/6 ratio of mineral spirits to help spread it out. You can barely even see the Alox on mine aside from some in the groves. I'm a bit unconventional. I don't size either. Only issue I ever have is occasionally a oversized boolit won't fit the case snugly and gets thrown back into the pot. If your not irritated yet, I shoot them out of factory Glock barrels.
Thanks for your videos Mike. They sure have helped me a lot. Lee sure makes some awesome products for reasonable prices. I own a lot of Lee stuff and I have no complaints about any of them. I have several Lee bullet molds (best molds hands down) and I'm using this method to lube. I have no sizers yet but Lee says you only need them if the bullets are too large and none of mine are. I was concerned I wasn't getting enough lube on my bullets but looking at yours, I think they're about perfect. I think for the rest of the Lee molds I need, I'll buy the micro groove bullets.
I would not use alox on black powder bullets. You will end up with very hard, baked on fouling. Black powder bullets need to be lubed with a mixture oil or grease and wax. 50%-50% beeswax to olive oil works well. I use a mixture of 2/3rds lamb's tallow to one third beeswax.
I like the look of this system because you don't have to buy what amounts to another press - it's just another die to screw into the one you already have. Also, you're only putting pressure on the bullet from the base end, therefore not so many worries about deformation. Question - instead of tumbling from bowl to bowl, can't you just put the lid on and shake like hell? Also, when MUST you use conventional lube rather than Alox?
I have Lee push through sizers in five different diameters. I have found they seat gas checks more squarely and evenly than the lubri-sizers. They are inexpensive and very quick to use. Afterwards, I lube with Thompson Blue Angel hard lube in a traditional sizer-lubrisizer (Lyman, RCBS, SAECO) Takes a bit more time with the two step process, but I'm retired and have plenty of time, and not in a hurry. Besides, all steps in the reloading process are enjoyable.
I take it that the Lee sizer has different sizes for each caliber that you need like for my Rem 44 Magnum Cast Bullets a size of 429 ot 430 for the Keith 240 Gr SWC Bullet etc.
Just my approach with .452" Lee 6 cavity 228 Gr. 1 R and 200 Gr RF: Cast - Lee sizing die w/thin coat of Alox on internal constriction - Size - Tumble lube w/Alox slightly diluted with mineral spirits (first coat) - Dry with forced warm air - Re-tumble lube with same concentration previously mentioned (second coat) - Air dry over night. No problems/abnormal resistance pushing bullets through the die. I have used this method on 5,000+ bullets and have had no leading issues. My standard bullet mix is 16 pounds of wheel weight ingots and 2 pounds of Roto Metals linotype. Powder charge(s) slightly above mid-range of suggested start and maximum: Bullseye, Unique, and 231.
I did this for years, Search Enamel Coated Bullets, It is not as messy when assembling your reloads and the bullets are much more accurate. But as always the duelist1954 does great and interesting videos.
gotta say i love that you made these vids, my mentor told me advanced gunsmithing and ammo making was difficult and scares most people but i want to get into this, what about rifle sizes and 12GA slugs, i assume they make other than just pistol size kits available?
Question: What roll does balance play when people design or create molds for bullets? Do they make them nose heavy or base heavy? Do they balance them based on the bullets center of gravity? Look forward to your answer. Thanks for the videos, AGW
I'm just starting in bullet casting and have cast 25-30 .357" 148 gr wadcutter bullets. My resizing kit arrived with NO alox bullet lube. A-holes. How am I supposed to use my new resizing kit without the lube? Anyway, just to save a little money, I'm only going to roll the bullet sides on a lubed pad, not wasting lube on the parts of the bullet that don't contact the rifling. Thx.
I dont resize i shoot the bullets as cast and tumble lube after gas cheking ,i like the bullets a wee bit oversized as long as they chamber ,M17 1903 in 30 06
I would be curious how much of the alox is required. I could read the bottle but the alox is being delivered with 2 Lee tl molds and a 20lb lee pot ect. I have Everything coming except a thermometer. I hope that wasn't a big mistake...
Ok that's Great I really Do appreciate you taking time to make these videos and also To reply to my comment also I have a Smith 6 shot revolver and that's What im gonna shoot the cast Bullets Throw Will The Barrel Be Fine If i Hoppes It And Scrub after Range Trip's?
ok, then this works even better for me, as I am a Beekeeper in N.E. Oklahoma and run 30 to 40 bee colonies right out our back door. No shortage of Bees wax here! ha! If that's the case, you use the same (lambs tallow & bees wax) on the wads, correct? same ratio for the wads?
i want to cast 38 spl so i buy the Melting Pot and FLux and Molds Of course then I get the lee sizer Will i have to cast Lube size then Load The only part that confusses me is the gas checks and Leading
Great job ,,per 1000 rds what price would it come out to on say 9 mm ..if you buy lead ..thanks any help .been reloading for years but like to do shot gun sugs and cast ...thanks again
I am going to use gas checks for my 7.62 x39 lead cast bullets. The only bullet mold I was able to get was a lee 155 grain regular lube bullet mold. I want to pan lube my bullets. I ALSO have a lee .311 alox and resizing kit. My question is that is the right way to proceed ? Do I resize and gas check first before pan lubing, or do I pan lube and then gas check and resize.
great video! I'm new to reloading. Making my own BP bullets. To prevent lead fowling in my BP barrels, do I need to apply Lee Liq Alox to my BP bullets also? I'm thinking so, but not sure. wanted to ask. thanks, Ken
I am casting the lee bullets with the many small groves can u pan lube those instead of alox. We tend to get alox in chamber/magazine trying to get away from it
Another question, do I need to use a specific type of lubricant (like Lee Alox) for tumble lubricating or can the same type of lubricant used in pan lubing be used for tumble lubing?
I read somewhere that the issue with tumble lube is the bullet may gum up the magazines. Now, I do not believe everything I hear or read but what are your thoughts on this? I also read in the same article that this person wiped the exposed area of the bullet after reloading. Thoughts??
It depends. In a rifle it will be easier to run down the bore. If using sabots it doesn’t matter though. With a cap and ball revolver, if using pure soft lead, it will shave the bullet as it is seated in the cylinder. This is what you want, as it creates a seal and prevents chain fires.
WOW! Perfect video. Explains everything in detail. I just bought this set with my .432 Ranch Dog .44 mag molds. This answered all my questions.
I use a 1 pound plastic coffee can with a snap on lid for lubing with the liquid alox. The 'ol lady don't like lube & bullets in her tupperware. You can cut the alox with thinner also. A little goes a long way.
With the Lee sizer you have to lube the bullet first. Don't run un-lubed bullets through the sizer.
Seems like a bit heavy on the Alox. I use probably 1/4 of that and have no issues whatsoever at target velocities. I also cut with maybe a 1/6 ratio of mineral spirits to help spread it out. You can barely even see the Alox on mine aside from some in the groves. I'm a bit unconventional. I don't size either. Only issue I ever have is occasionally a oversized boolit won't fit the case snugly and gets thrown back into the pot. If your not irritated yet, I shoot them out of factory Glock barrels.
You can pan lube them. Personally I just wipe the alox off of the exposed bullet before putting the loaded rounds into the storage can.
Thanks for your videos Mike. They sure have helped me a lot. Lee sure makes some awesome products for reasonable prices. I own a lot of Lee stuff and I have no complaints about any of them. I have several Lee bullet molds (best molds hands down) and I'm using this method to lube. I have no sizers yet but Lee says you only need them if the bullets are too large and none of mine are. I was concerned I wasn't getting enough lube on my bullets but looking at yours, I think they're about perfect. I think for the rest of the Lee molds I need, I'll buy the micro groove bullets.
THey cast very close to .452, so you could get away without sizing them, but I prefer ti run them through the sizer.
I would not use alox on black powder bullets. You will end up with very hard, baked on fouling. Black powder bullets need to be lubed with a mixture oil or grease and wax. 50%-50% beeswax to olive oil works well. I use a mixture of 2/3rds lamb's tallow to one third beeswax.
So you recommend NOT to use Lee Liquid Alox on cast lead Boolits that will be shoot with Black Powder
@@SteelDinger that is correct.
I thin my Alox with mineral spirits to make it runnier, making it spread more evenly.
I like the look of this system because you don't have to buy what amounts to another press - it's just another die to screw into the one you already have. Also, you're only putting pressure on the bullet from the base end, therefore not so many worries about deformation. Question - instead of tumbling from bowl to bowl, can't you just put the lid on and shake like hell? Also, when MUST you use conventional lube rather than Alox?
I have Lee push through sizers in five different diameters. I have found they seat gas checks more squarely and evenly than the lubri-sizers. They are inexpensive and very quick to use. Afterwards, I lube with Thompson Blue Angel hard lube in a traditional sizer-lubrisizer (Lyman, RCBS, SAECO) Takes a bit more time with the two step process, but I'm retired and have plenty of time, and not in a hurry. Besides, all steps in the reloading process are enjoyable.
Thanks for the Video, I just ordered the kit. Very helpful.
Yup...same ratio for everything.
Thank you for this video. It explains allot.
I take it that the Lee sizer has different sizes for each caliber that you need like for my Rem 44 Magnum Cast Bullets a size of 429 ot 430 for the Keith 240 Gr SWC Bullet etc.
Just my approach with .452" Lee 6 cavity 228 Gr. 1 R and 200 Gr RF: Cast - Lee sizing die w/thin coat of Alox on internal constriction - Size - Tumble lube w/Alox slightly diluted with mineral spirits (first coat) - Dry with forced warm air - Re-tumble lube with same concentration previously mentioned (second coat) - Air dry over night.
No problems/abnormal resistance pushing bullets through the die.
I have used this method on 5,000+ bullets and have had no leading issues. My standard bullet mix is 16 pounds of wheel weight ingots and 2 pounds of Roto Metals linotype. Powder charge(s) slightly above mid-range of suggested start and maximum: Bullseye, Unique, and 231.
Awesome thanks. Your videos are great and very informative subscribed and looking foreward to more
Without lube the bullets would lead the bore, ruining accuracy.
Very true.. I found out with my p89..
Not good
Unless you are loading very hot ++P .38 Spl loads you won't have a high enough velocity to justify the expense and trouble of seating gas checks.
Can't find your last question, but I size mine .358
I'd use a commercial hard lube and a gas checked bullet
Excellent!
I did this for years, Search Enamel Coated Bullets, It is not as messy when assembling your reloads and the bullets are much more accurate. But as always the duelist1954 does great and interesting videos.
Have you ever thought about powder coating I really like that method
Nice BS free vid, thanks. I cut my Alox 1/3 white spirit, thins a down to a nice concistency and dry's just as quick.
gotta say i love that you made these vids, my mentor told me advanced gunsmithing and ammo making was difficult and scares most people but i want to get into this, what about rifle sizes and 12GA slugs, i assume they make other than just pistol size kits available?
Alcohol or acetone
duelist1954 gin?
Question: What roll does balance play when people design or create molds for bullets? Do they make them nose heavy or base heavy? Do they balance them based on the bullets center of gravity? Look forward to your answer. Thanks for the videos, AGW
Thanks Mike, I am glad you told me. Is it ok to go ahead and put the gas check on and then pan lube ?
I'm just starting in bullet casting and have cast 25-30 .357" 148 gr wadcutter bullets. My resizing kit arrived with NO alox bullet lube. A-holes. How am I supposed to use my new resizing kit without the lube? Anyway, just to save a little money, I'm only going to roll the bullet sides on a lubed pad, not wasting lube on the parts of the bullet that don't contact the rifling. Thx.
I dont resize i shoot the bullets as cast and tumble lube after gas cheking ,i like the bullets a wee bit oversized as long as they chamber ,M17 1903 in 30 06
I would be curious how much of the alox is required. I could read the bottle but the alox is being delivered with 2 Lee tl molds and a 20lb lee pot ect. I have Everything coming except a thermometer. I hope that wasn't a big mistake...
Ok that's Great I really Do appreciate you taking time to make these videos and also To reply to my comment also I have a Smith 6 shot revolver and that's What im gonna shoot the cast Bullets Throw Will The Barrel Be Fine If i Hoppes It And Scrub after Range Trip's?
I finish coating my Bullets with some Motor Mica As its great also etc
Should be.
ok, then this works even better for me, as I am a Beekeeper in N.E. Oklahoma and run 30 to 40 bee colonies right out our back door. No shortage of Bees wax here! ha! If that's the case, you use the same (lambs tallow & bees wax) on the wads, correct? same ratio for the wads?
If I buy cast bullets , do they need resizing ? Maybe this question would best be asked as when should I resize cast bullets ?
I shoot my 9mm micro groove bullets with lee lube however I don't size them. I get good accuracy with minimal leading.
Looks like it makes for a good workout. : )
Looks like it makes for a good workout. : )
i want to cast 38 spl so i buy the Melting Pot and FLux and Molds Of course then I get the lee sizer Will i have to cast Lube size then Load The only part that confusses me is the gas checks and Leading
Great job ,,per 1000 rds what price would it come out to on say 9 mm ..if you buy lead ..thanks any help .been reloading for years but like to do shot gun sugs and cast ...thanks again
I am going to use gas checks for my 7.62 x39 lead cast bullets. The only bullet mold I was able to get was a lee 155 grain regular lube bullet mold. I want to pan lube my bullets. I ALSO have a lee .311 alox and resizing kit. My question is that is the right way to proceed ? Do I resize and gas check first before pan lubing, or do I pan lube and then gas check and resize.
I used to pan lube, but tumble lubricating is so much faster.
nope
great video! I'm new to reloading. Making my own BP bullets. To prevent lead fowling in my BP barrels, do I need to apply Lee Liq Alox to my BP bullets also? I'm thinking so, but not sure. wanted to ask. thanks, Ken
Very helpful. Thanks
I am casting the lee bullets with the many small groves can u pan lube those instead of alox. We tend to get alox in chamber/magazine trying to get away from it
Use a coffee can and or ice cream can with a lid. Heat the lube up in a cup of hot water before you put it on the bullets.
I bough the Lee 6-cavity micro grove mold. Is it necessary to resize micro grove bullets after lubing with liquid aloy ?
No.
Do u use rubbing alchohol or anything or just a dry rag?
Can you put gas checks on them with it???
Do you have to stand them upright on the foil/wax paper to let them dry
probably not
could you please avail sizing die?
Do You Have To Resize?
Another question, do I need to use a specific type of lubricant (like Lee Alox) for tumble lubricating or can the same type of lubricant used in pan lubing be used for tumble lubing?
No. You need to use a product that flows easily and leaves a thin coat. Liquid alox works. Something else might work too, but I'm unaware of it.
I read somewhere that the issue with tumble lube is the bullet may gum up the magazines. Now, I do not believe everything I hear or read but what are your thoughts on this? I also read in the same article that this person wiped the exposed area of the bullet after reloading. Thoughts??
I have not had a problem after several thousand bullets, but I do wipe off the bullet nose after reloading.
duelist1954 what do you use to wipe it off? Thank you
Richard Venneman A paper towel.
If I cast muzzle loading bullets, would I have to size them?
It depends. In a rifle it will be easier to run down the bore. If using sabots it doesn’t matter though.
With a cap and ball revolver, if using pure soft lead, it will shave the bullet as it is seated in the cylinder. This is what you want, as it creates a seal and prevents chain fires.
What are you thoughts of powder/hi-tek coating as compared to alox?
Richard Venneman I haven’t used it, so I can’t say.
thank you
Do you have a lube recipe for magnum loads?
What about using a rotary tumbler?
+He, who had once been you. As long as its CLEAN!
Duckyistrippin
Thank's.
Whats The Point Of Lubing?
To stop leading
and thanks