Why Batman is Secretly Terrible for Gotham | After Hours
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its jokes like swaim saying "everything tastes of the sea" and throwing stuff for people to count that made me love this series and i miss it dearly
they just did a reunion
@@shadowunifer where? What's the name of it?
Ok Sorren-batman
Katie-catwoman
Daniel- the riddler
Michael- the joker
Yeah that seems pretty accurate choices for them....
Reality Forge And Cody is Two-Face
Simcatlover Phangirl didn't know Peter Parker was from Gotham.
Are you still the Ultimate despair Gamer ?
Michael is more of a Harley Quinn... Funny clown who wants to bone..
I had a heated argument with a girl I like about whether the stormtroopers are considered to be part of the "dark side" or just guns for hire with stimulus packages. In a perfect world... It would have ended like this.
+IGalactic Dude listen if you argue with a girl about how Superman could destoy a planet by looking at it long enough then it wont end with a kiss it will end on you and her agreeing that Deadpool is secretly related to the Goblin
+likeajon Why? because they are both insane?
+IGalactic I if only
+IGalactic I see: Clerks
+IGalactic I
Some Stormtroopers are undoubtedly enjoying being on the service of the Dark Side and take advantage of it. Others are just punching a clock and doing it for their next meal, or because they honestly think it's the right thing to do for the galaxy.
Don't think I missed the fact that Soren was wearing black and grey (Batman) and Katie was wearing black leather (Catwoman).
The kiss was just the icing on top.
Does that make Dan Dr. Freeze and Michael.........Clayface?
also that they turned into batman and catwoman when they kissed
I don't think anybody thought you missed that fact because nobody knows who you are. I think you might have the-people-on-the-screen-are-my-friends-itis.
@@cheddaguap yeah, I don't think anybody missed that, hard to believe I know but I think we all saw it
@@joshyoung1440 thatsthejoke.jpg
Here after the SmallBeans reunion to see the guy delivering chinese food
Me too!
Same
I thought I was the only one.
Same here
yep.
I didn't know I shipped this until this video.
I know,,, just... What?
Michelle Evans ikr
Yesssss
you people obviously never have been in an two-sided abusive relationship.
I'm more of a SorenxDan person myself.
In Batman The Animated Series Bruce Wayne is the one paying for Gotham Penitentiary, so he's at least partially to blame for the prison system that keeps dumping criminals back on the street.
In btas he is paying for upgrades to black gate penitiary, which has held criminals including black mask, for their full sentence. Archambault is where most of the villains are sent and in btas as Bruce he worked to get arkham closed and an actual asylum built, which happened by the time of beyond.
So in btas he actively paid for black gate to become one of the most secure prisons, and by the time of beyond had fixed the arkham issue which led to the actual rehabilitation of quite a few of his rogues.
I saw that kiss coming as soon as she took off her glasses. Also, I have Asperger's and I found this hilarious.
+Dj Quinn They're making fun of it, not insulting it. I have it too, and I think people are too uptight about it.
Draven What made it work here was that they used Micheal, whose character is well intentioned (though somewhat morally ambiguous) but crude and not too smart. If Soren, whose character is made to be a narcissistic, goal oriented, opinionated, smart jock, said it it would be much worse, because, unlike Michael, you expect better from him. If Katie said it it would just seem weird because you wouldn't expect it from her at all. Katie's character is a combination of traits found in the other 3. She's just as opinionated as Soren and almost as pervy as Michael, but is as awkward as Dan is about most stuff when she expresses that perversion so she doesn't do it unless it comes up. And, while not to say she doesn't contribute just as much as the other 3 because she does, she's meant as a token female perspective. Just so there are no misunderstandings, I say characters because, as these are scripted sketches, they are portraying fictional versions of themselves.
+Dj Quinn I also have Asperger's, and I died at "He's gone mad with Asperger's!"
+Dj Quinn Same xD
Same same 😂
WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE LIVE IN GOTHAM TO BEGIN WITH
Gotham is essentially New York. Just like how Metropolis is Chicago.
darminatin Nah I think Gotham's Chicago. There's more mirrors to Chicago and Gotham. 1. Rampant corruption to the point we're it's almost impressive. 2. big ass above ground train station. 3. ridiculous amount of violent crime. 4. noir type lighting all over downtown.5.
Antonio Miller I'm gonna have to agree exactly for all the reasons you listed, Gotham makes more sense as Chicago, while Metropolis i always viewed as 3/4's New York 1/4 San Francisco(arguable).
Thadius Meyers I have to agree, I think Batman is so invested in saving it is because of his parents; it was his parents dream to change Gotham for the better and that haunts Bruce knowing that they will never see it happen.
+Thadius Meyers cause Batgirl.
I'm waiting for the video when Mike and Dan kiss
Soviet Squid aren't we all?
Soviet Squid They already have it. It is called Agents of Cracked.
+Soviet Squid Wont happen unless Mike is drunk again in a Batman villians dress up party
Max Powers which episode was that?
the last one
"Look at the fucking scoreboard!" - My favourite line from the entire video.
Never mind, it is now: "shut the FUCK up!"
+Zoreo Zoishiki I'm partial to "He's gone mad with Asperger's."
+Gamzee Makara
We all know that Aspergers isn't the Rainman disorder, right? Please?
Everything tastes of the sea!
Yar!
@@SilverEye91 that really is the best line.
"EVERYTHING TASTES OF THE SEA. YAR."
*Katie giggles*
to be fair it was pretty funny, the dry tone he used made it even funnier
so if soren is batman and Katie is catwoman, who are the others? personally, I can see Dan as riddler.
And Swaim just wants to watch the world burn...
James Daniels joker, perfect. you read my mind jack.
Ignatius Ultimus It was once alluded to that Swaim is responsible for burning down their first diner😉
James Daniels I remember that episode! that s the 'forest Gump is racist' episode, correct?
Ignatius Ultimus That moment just made me go WHAT'N THE HECK!!😧
Who else came here to check about the Chinese delivery guy?
Me
Not..... *cough*.... okay, me.
6:44
Is that Jack or something?
Someone please explain.
If you're available. I don't want to impose.
@@StraveTube They talked about that guy just randomly walking through their set and leaving it in on small beans when they did the after hours finale live read.
Damn, I only just started watching these videos tonight. Now I've got ships and everything.
Me too, but unfortunetly Sorren is married and had kids now.
Michaela Woodard I KNOW.
Lol, ikr? I'm watching these from the most recent to the very beginning... and like, whoa. I did *not* expect what happened in this video xD
Michaela Woodard NO Soren the dude who kissed is now MARRIED
Same
6:44 did anyone see Dan in the window? xD
+Jo Castillo V Noone did. Not even you.
+JCV and 6:21, and Michael at 6:32, and Dan again at 6:33, and again at 6:44.
Justice Campbell he's like "da fuck did i see that right??"
"see'
I'm surprised the side against batman didn't bring up the fact that nearly half if not more of the super villains he saves Gothan from he made himself one way or another. Meaning batman really is bad for gotham because he has basically made an army of baddies that they now depend on him to stop.
Well that's just not true. They even have an entire episode in the animated series dedicated to that question and they disprove it.
That's all debatable, besides it's not like this is a real hardcore discussion, because if it was they would have mentioned that Bruce Wayne launches a project to better Gotham with his billions.
Yeah they admitted it in comic books and in the justice league cartoon. The more superheros there are the more criminals will escalate to take on the superheros the more superheros will show up. It's called the batman/superman pardox or something I think
Funny enough, Batman is one of the few superheroes you can’t say that about. Mr Freeze, Scarecrow, The Riddler, Poison Ivy, Hugo Strange, Firefly, Penguin, Victor Zazz, Ra’s Al Ghul, Professor Pig, Deacon Blackfire, Bane and Mad Hatter are all completely separate. Only villains that Batman caused were Arkham Knight, Hush and debatably The Joker and Harley Quinn based on which version.
they probably didn't bring it up because it's false and has been proven false multiple times.
What.... What just happened. Cause I think OTP kissed after a huge very confusing argument and I'm very lost.
Belanca Rosier are you actually asking that? I thought it was pretty obvious
Belanca Rosier are you actually asking that? I thought it was pretty obvious
Belanca Rosier are they together or. does Dan know they kissed? does Michael know? WHAT.
Summerman000kesamies Nah. I get it. Sorta. It was a little sudden though. I think.
Leah Kelly Uh. I don't think they're together. I think Dan and Micheal saw through the window? I DONT REALLY KNOW EITHER.
6:16 Dan didn't even need to say anything and it was still the funniest part of this video hands down.. That lost and concerned look he had was priceless x)
"He's gone mad with asperger's!"
God, I love going back to old episodes.
I went searching the comments for this comment!😂
Thank you!😂
Has Batman ever used his money to fix the asylums and prisons so the bad guys couldn't break out as easily? Cause I've never seen him do that and he obviously has the money to do so...
That would make the story boring
Bryce Villalobos Not necessarily . If the villains are still able to break out of a more high tech and advanced prison, it would make the story actually more interesting. Out of all the people in the asylums that break out regularly, it makes you question "how can these criminally insane people have the brain power to break out of a super asylum?" It makes you wonder how mental these patients actually are. At least that's how I look at it.
rosestar1324 People, in the actual comics he does use his money to invest and improve all of these things. In the films however this was never clearly shown at all.
anonamas123 Oh, ok. I've never have read every single Batman comic so
I wouldn't know.
Fair enough but (not saying it's you) people shouldn't come to the conclusion of him not doing so. The cartoon films they give hints as to what his company has invested. Also I would like to point out how creepy that 'random' kiss was :/
I have always found the titles of cracked videos to seem clickbaity but i could never place my finger on why. But now I figured it out. It's adverbs enhancing adjectives. Bat man is not just terrible, he's SECRETLY terrible.
Will Flock lmao
Will Flock You can thank Buzzfeed and Upworthy.
Will Flock I typically find them deceptive. The title in question is usually not what the actual round-table discussion is actually about, but some kind of assumed side-effect revelation of their conversation.
I noticed that on my second cracked video
+Däne-ish Gamer Despite the fact that you were right, isn't two videos a bit early to judge something like that?
I binge watched this series so hard. the writing and acting on it is the best.
im pretty sure gothams crime rate would go down if batman swallowed his pride and killed a few of the criminals atleast the big ones like the joker cause the amount of shit that guy does at this point its batmans fault for not ending him
Not really, look at the Punisher, he's plowed through thousands of criminals and NY is still a hell hole, heck, in fact, Marvel Max's New York as well as 616's New York are way more dangerous than actual New York.
Batman on the other hand, actually got crime in Gotham under control for over a year before his death (after which all hell broke lose because criminals saw this as their big chance), this is, no super freaks attacking the city, no mass murderers going on killing rampages, keeping the mobsters and gangs down and cowered in fear, and he did all of this without taking a single life.
And even then, Gotham pre-Batman was worse than Gotham post-Batman, and this is aknowledged by several people, but Gotham is just a fucking hell hole, it's got twice the crime other cities have and it's criminals are way more violent, they have always been, even in collonial times Gotham was awful, but the Batman has been twice more effective in fighting crime than the Punisher.
Also, about killing the high profile ones, you should bear in mind that most of the major leagues criminals in Gotham are usually mentaly ill people product of their awful life circumstances. Killer croc was beaten as a child, kept locked in a closet and then sold as a Circus freak until he escaped; Harley Quinn was manipulated by the Joker, Mr. Freeze just wants to save his wife, Two-Face was Batman's first ally in Gotham and Harvey Dent and Two-Face are two different personalities, going as far as one of them doing things without the other remembering them. These are people who mostly aren't able to control their own actions. It's not like Metropolis or Keystone in which most of the criminals are able minded individuals who end up in penitentiary insititutions, in Gotham they go to an Asylum.
Uhhhh....if we had more punished or more punished comic book there would be no villains
what i don't get is why the joker doesent get capital punishment
Doctor Dalek He's legally insane and the one time they managed to get him the death penalty he was actually innocent so he avoided the execution.
Lawyer here.
Batman killed Two-Face as means of self-defense and to protect others. That is the very definition of "justifiable homicide". It's the one use of legitimate force.
He lied about the circumstances later, but why? To give other people hope, even if that means painting himself as the villain.
That's pretty self-less and good-oriented, if you ask me.
Good comment.
He also claimed responsibility for all the killings from Dent because Harvey previously put many, many criminals in prison, and if Dent had been the reason for those killings, the prisoners would be let-back out (if I'm not mistaken).
Yes, at least they would get a re-trial. There's a good shot at those guys walking the streets again.
Dr Wolfenstein
That was a mistake. If they had let the city to know what Harvey had done the criminals would have probably been released but in the long run they city would have been in better shape. Hiding the truth fucked everything up.
"He lied about the circumstances later, but why? To give other people hope, even if that means painting himself as the villain."
Oh but isn't that a crime like obstruction of justice (though it does help when cops knowingly falsely accuse someone to push a agenda and circumvent the rights of citizens whether their criminal or not).
i mean perosnally as lawyer what did you think of the dent act?
We're discussing phillosophy here. Because what's lawful may not be what's fair, that's exactly what the judge must value. The law is a word that must be adjusted to each case.
The Dent Act, once it's passed as law, is fair game to jail criminals even if the circumstances of Dent's death come to be known.
We'd have to discuss "what's justice? What's lawful? What's fair? What's the spirit of the Lawmaker when he coded these rules? Are we following it with this conduct?"
I think that the main questions lie there.
Finding this Channel was like finding out the geek with glasses is actually hot Natalie Portman. She was always Natalie Portman she just had glasses on. I guess what I'm saying is: Where has this been my whole life?
So it's a rule that glasses make people unattractive?
AustralFever I didn't say that, you did.
SuperMcMurph Are you kidding? You just basically said you couldn't see Natalie Portman's attractiveness BECAUSE of the glasses, what other way is that meant to sound?
AustralFever It is a fool who looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart. Besides most people cannot see what is right in front of themselves. I am human I admit to my mistakes.
SuperMcMurph why are we quoting o brother where out thou?
I love Cody (the waiter) wearing a two face shirt and what I only assume is a Harvey Dent button
Ikr? And the fact that Cody writes these things is also great
I'm rewatching all these to find out who wins the most arguments. This was a tough fight between Katy and Soren. Soren landed a big hit with his "Gotham would be a crater"-argument, but Katy recovered quickly and pwnd Soren with a whole load of counter arguments until Soren could only reply: "Shut up!" which I count as a forfeit. Katy is the winner!
Daniel: 0
Soren: 0
Katy: 1
Michael: 0
i think the most amazing part of this video is when the waiter counted 31 sugar packs in 1 second
And his two-face inspired undershirt.
@@StanPalsy Two-Face has Asperger’s?!?
DAmn, Katie was getting hot there, guess I wasnt the only one thinking that xD
Soren is wearing grey and black. Katie is wearing black leather. Just wanted to point that out since it seems like no one else noticed.
+Hezekiah Ramirez The ending scene shows them as Batman and Catwoman.....everyone noticed. You are not special.
+Lia WTF rude. I didn't notice.
HeechulsGurl DoubleOSeven I'm sure you'll be fine.
+Hezekiah Ramirez The server at the end is wearing a half white-half black shirt to resemble Two Face. He is even wearing a pin similar to the "I Believe in Harvey Dent" from the Dark Knight
+Hezekiah Ramirez I noticed but i'm just so confused about why she takes off her jacket and glasses like why would you take off your glasses? she can't see now, she's just staring into the blurry mess that is the world and yelling with her perfectly made-up face. and why the jacket? it was a really cool jacket why would she take it off when arguing???
I love the noises Katie makes when they kiss
I scoured the comments section wondering if I was the only one.
same xD
I know, they were like Star Trek phaser noises
I love that noise too 😆 wish my girlfriend made it when we kiss...
+Sam Johnston savage
I totally agree with Katie here. I have put the same argument about Batman, several times and everyone in the table ends up shouting XD BUT not always kissing X3
iamthaddeus1989 though to be fair Gotham is in a slump to begin with.... now Gotham is in a slump but people actually gives a fuck on why it is in such state...
***** And Batman 50% of the time just makes it worse. The other 50% is actually making some of the difference, or eliminating the villain, but not really repairing much of the damages caused by such a villain, I don't just mean destroyed buildings and such, I mean the economy, rehab for people affected, help for families who the source of the main income in the household worked for the Joker or something, etc.
Batman is a sociopathic lunatic that should hand in his hero card
@@h.e.l.p.3655 i can help you with the last part
HOLY CRAP, I've seen this a dozen times, but I just realized that's not a cut from an old Batman movie, but the two of them in costume!
+Alec Lamson Omg you´re right! Such detail, much wow
+Alec Lamson Ofcourse it was, the costumes were terrible
+Alec Lamson Dude, you made my day. Awesome.
Watching this in 2019 thinking how I would still hate Jeff Bezos if he came out as Batman.
10/10 would turn into a batman villain
I think ultimately the issue with this argument is what kind of argument we're having.
Bateman in our world, would be trash. We don't need a Batman, we need the overthrow of Capitalism.
But the issues in Gotham are fantastical in nature, and require a Batman.
It's also a question of what interpretation.
Jeff Bezos is more a Lex Luther.
watching the recent charity finale stream we learned the guy with chinese food at 6:45 was a real dude that just walked on set lmaooo
I came here for that!
That's why I'm here too
Wayne Inc. is a private company, when it had gone public Bruce bought all the shares. So he is using his own money, not the investors. And he used a shell company to buy the bat-ears, not Wayne Inc.
Even with going out for a drink in the wee hours, I consumed 64 episodes in under 13 hours (8pm-9am). An enjoyable distraction from my shitty, transitional period in life. Thanks After Hours!
What was your favorite episode?
+bob polo While the concept is likely old news in world of film analysis, the episode that presented the public's obsession with the "I am secretly the most powerful/important person in the world" story line and the mechanics behind it was the most eye opening for me and the dialogue was correspondingly first rate.
Eric Anthem Do you know the title of that episode? I wanted to view it so we can discuss it together.
+bob polo The Horrifying Secret The Matrix' Reveals About Humanity
Eric Anthem You're not going to believe this, but yesterday a friend and I went to the Chicago art museum, and I was telling her how I'm writing my very own After Hours episode that I hope to submit. But she was totally unfamiliar with the show, so the very first episode I showed her was the one you just mentioned because she unapologetically loves Keanu Reeves. Go figure. I'm not even kidding.
But here's my thoughts on that episode: soren's claim that action or save the world movies are a form of wish-fulfillment from the audience is true, at least to me. Who wants to be the loser or the sidekick in those movies, regardless who we realistically identify with? Most of us want to be the hero. I actively enjoy RUclips commenting, but I have no other social media connections - zero. But Katie was right about how Facebook and Twitter is our own personal Truman show, the distinction being that we have more control over our content and the presentation.
It was actually funny how Daniel delivered the begining thesis but the rest of the gang offered the support, despite Daniel's opposition.
Came here to find the Chinese food delivery guy from the reunion
Saaaame
best after hours ever. i ship it
WHY THE FUCK DID I SEE THAT KISS COMING XD
When the glasses went off, I saw it coming.
the question is why did the kiss turn me on for some reason?
it was the most awesomest and hilarious kiss i ever saw. i also like sorens batmans impression
Brandon Mitriuk For some reason i saw it coming the second they started shouting
Brandon Mitriuk For some reason i saw it coming the second they started shouting
Is it wrong that i got excited when she took off her jacket?
Is it wrong that I got excited when I saw her in that jacket?
Carson Key Sorry there was side bra when she took off her jacked, only one step removed from tit :D
Is it wrong I got excited when I saw her?
cute, well built, articulate comic geek woman.
I'd be worried if she didn't excite you in general.
DarkKuno some don't like nerd women.
Was this before Soren got married and had children?
Several years.
As far as i know he got his a few seasons later b4 the
"At worst he's some kind of militaristic tyrant"
Clearly Katie has read All Star Batman And Robin.
Came back to rewatch just for the food delivery guy at the end
I kinda want them to follow up the whole Soren/Katie thing
Beth Quaife Yeah me too...I ship them so hard right now
Beth Quaife Thats not a sopa opera, thats a series of comedic videos of 4 people talking about pop culture... come on!
Yeah, it would be great if they did that.
I should not ship them, but I do.
Beth Quaife They did...ish.
During the James Bond episode, Soren and Katie got REALLY CLOSE....then Michael totally misread the situation.
Beth Quaife I don't.
I just found this and Katie is right. In the original comic Bruce Wayne (Batman) is nothing less than a vigilante that dresses up as a Bat and kicks the sh*t out of criminals for kicks.
David Townend actually he does it for justice but same dif.
Actually, later he does. But in the original comic he is nothing less than a vigilante. Of course, in the TV series, he was all about justice.
David Townend you do know that vigilantes do it for justice right.
LMAO. Yes, sir, the textbook definition of a vigilante is "Vigilantes typically see the government as ineffective in enforcing the law; such individuals often claim to justify their actions as a fulfillment of the wishes of the community". But, my point is that Batman (The Batman) did not start wanting justice. He wanted revenge for this parents' death. Later, he did it for "justice".
David Townend what is the difference from getting revenge on criminals and justice exactly?
god I love these who hasn't had the two friends that love to argue and tell everybody else fuck off if you try to stop them.
How to see all life forms destroy your self-esteem in a video:
1. Write a comment
2. Wait
Does Batman in fact make things worse for Gotham? I say he does.
Think about this: Before Batman, Gotham was riddled with organized crime families. While that is definitely nothing to ignore and is certainly a terrible and dangerous thing, it is still something the GCPD can handle. Can they handle any of Batman's rogue gallery? No. No, they cannot. Furthermore, not only can the police handle them, but the organized crime families aren't bent on destroying Gotham or randomly killing people or making plants take over the city or spreading fear gas all over the city or whatever other crazy schemes Batman villains come up with. They want the same thing evey crime family wants. Money and power. They don't kill random civilians for no good reason. Batman's villains do.
So, along comes Batman, trying to make things better. He cleans up the regular gangster families in about a year's time. What comes in their place? A bunch of crazy, unpredictable, vastly more dangerous villains that have no problem killing civilians. And why do that want that? Because of Batman. They want to get back at him. People like Joker, Penguin, Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, Mister Freeze, Two-Face etc. People the police can't handle on their own. And since Batman won't kill any of them, he HAS to stay around because he's the only one who can stop them.
In short: I don't doubt Batman's intentions are good, but by showing up and getting rid of normal crime, he inadvertently launched a series of even worse criminals that he refuses to kill, forcing him to stay in his role of vigilante.
the crime families in the comics bribed the police and there was no way the police was going to handle them and not to mention their would still be quite a bit of comic book criminals like the court of owls, the league of assassains, freeze and more(that gotham would need to deal with on top of gangs). And there have several opportunities for the public of gotham to kill villains, by giving them the death penalty properly or building a sufficient prison system or several of the criminals just need one good shot from the pd but they usually just cant because the pd sucks at there job mostly.
The fact batman doesnt want to kill anyone is entirely fine considering several villians often so redeeming traits or habits like freeze only being motivated by his dying wife or ivy saving kids from an earthquake also trying avoiding criminal activites or leaving gotham to live in a rainforest peacefully until it gets destroyed by someone unrealated to batman or man-bat being an accident and he knows he shouldnt be the one who chooses who lives and dies
Mr. Freeze would have existed without Batman, The Penguin would have existed without Batman, the Falcone family would have existed without Batman, Two-Face (depending on which version you use) would have existed without Batman, Poison Ivy would exist without Batman, Man-Bat would have existed without Batman, Mad Hatter would have existed without Batman, Scarecrow would have existed without Batman. Look, as much as I despise Batman, Gotham would be screwed without him, just like America would be screwed without a Military to keep it safe.
Carolyn Francis
Long rant incoming:
-Mr Freeze isn't really that interested in fighting the cops or causing chaos. He's interested in curing his wife, even if that means going down the criminal path. The cops may not be able to stop him from going after whatever it is he wants, but once he has it, he'll stop bothering them and focus on working on the cure. And without Batman, he doesn't have to resort to any crazy superweapons, thus sparing the city from much of the damage he would otherwise cause.
-Penguin is a black markets dealer. Cops have ways of taking care of people like that. If anything, Batman's interference is preventing them from successfully infiltrating Penguin's operation since he'll be more paranoid and less willing to reveal anything worthwhile to new people. And without Batman, he wouldn't have to stretch his smuggling operations to such extremes and he'd be less on his guard, thus making him easier to catch.
-The Falcone family is a normal mafia family that was already a problem before Batman arrived on the scene. Nothing would change here. Batman or no Batman, they're still up to their usual business. This is what cops are for.
-Two-Face is crazy. Who knows what he'd do without Batman. If he causes enough ruckus, they'd eventually call in the big guns, like SWAT or whoever you call for people like him, roll up his gang and he'd probably end up getting killed in a bloody shootout or in an assassination. If anything, Batman is the reason Two-Face is still a problem. Normal cops would have probably killed him long ago and Gotham's public would have probably supported that decision.
-Poison Ivy is a tricky one. She's the only one with actual superpowers (in most versions). She's not really evil, either. Just overly fond of plant and less then fond of people. They can't stop her, but I'm sure Ivy doesn't want to spend the rest of her life fighting off people that hate her either. She'd eventually go away to the rainforest or wherever, jsut to have some peace and be with her plants. Again, as with so many villains, revenge on Batman and the idea of being the one that finally beats him is most likely the only reason she's still going at it.
-Man-Bat is something the normal police can't handle, but he's hardly a threat to army forces. A team of special forces who are aware of his abilities can most likely take him out and would probably kill him in the process. Again, Batman doesn't kill, thus giving Manbat a reason to stick around and seek revenge. Manbat has some powers, but on his own he is definitely no match for military forces. They should be able to handle him.
-Mad Hatter is just a deranged serial killer, who would be handled like any other serial killer. They sic the FBI on him, they study the case and all the details and they eventually catch and analyze him. They don't need Batman for him. I'll grant you that Batman would probably find him faster and deal with him with less casualties, but they can take care of it.
-Scarecrow uses the same tactics over and over again. Fear gas and confusion. And is mostly driven to do so out of seeking revenge against Batman. No Batman, no revenge. What are his motivations? Mostly to seek out the greatest fears of people with interesting profiles. Individuals. He'd probably be like a very elusive mercenary with very effective killing/disabling methods. Sure, still a problem, but without Batman, he doesn't want to gas the whole of Gotham. He just want to revel in his psychotic little fetish world.
The police may not be able to handle most of them, but without Batman they wouldn't be nearly as crazy or as obsessed and dangerous as they are. Because Batman pushes himself to such extremes and goes to such great lengths, he forces the criminals to keep up. They have to step up their game, because they know how dangerous Batman is. Without Batman around, they wouldn't have to resort to anything nearly as crazy or as dangerous because there's no one to compete with. Batman is what makes them so dangerous. Especially because he won't kill. If the cops were to ever find a way to get to one of these villains, they'd kill them for sure. If not by pulling a trigger, then by putting them on deathrow or through other means, such as manipulating the system to put two of them that really hate each other in the same cell and accidentally leaving a weapon behind. Guaranteed there's only one walking out, but from there point of view that's -1 dangerous criminal. Not very moral or legal, but that wouldn't stop them.
I don't doubt that Batman wants what's best for Gotham and fights for the right cause, but unfortunately for him, his methods and means keep biting him in the ass and always come back to haunt him. Gotham is in fact better off without him.
Xylarxcode freeze used super weapons anyways before bats ever got involved and sides his freeze gun is easier to care for assuming the person could get the victim unfrozen rather than gun shots to the face and his suit is powered by diamonds unless he got a donor he is gonna be a lifelong criminal
Penguin bribes police officers and public officials its the only real reason the police struggle with inflitrating him. with bmans effects on the criminal world he stretches penguins supplies more thinly making his capability stretched thin. this makes it easier for the police to deal with him not the opposite because without bman penguin would be paranoid of the police at least bman diverts his attention
The standard mob wasnt really handled by the police in gotham they did the whole bribing thing
Two-face isnt that big of a deal. He's no joker he probably could be handled by normal gotham before things got to extreme. Batman really just prolongs the inevitable with harvey
Ivy hates gotham due to other people in the bman comics. for example she did exactly what you said she probably do (she goes and makes a paradise) and it was attacked by a corporation entirely unrelated to bman reigniting her whole "stop industrialization and its pollution and habitat destruction by being a violent hippie" thing she isnt (usually) just some revenge character when it comes to bman
Manbat is most often just an innocent guy and that is pretty much a were-bat not an actual bad guy (the revenge thing is pointless considering its batman trying to be nice and kirk would prefer he would stop him) if gotham really wanted to stop him permanently they could just shoot him as kirk as a militant solution would result in several unnecessary deaths and property damage
as you said bman handles madhatter better
Crane would still be a psychotic man who could attack all of gotham as he became the scarecrow for power and his affinity to fear not batman not to mention without bman he wouldnt of been stopped because their isnt a way the police could really handle an all out scarecrow
This isnt including the other super criminals of gotham bman would have to stop
also criminals would compete agaisnt themselves gotham was always going to escalate even with a lazy police force and in a world with criminals that can freeze people inflict fear on others and control the wildlife that would be the type of stuff they would escalate from not a weirdo in a costume
now batman has caused some problems in gotham namely the entire knightfall story arc which occured because his affinity for bats brought bane to gotham to kill him in which bane destroyed arkham making the mess to much for all of gotham and bman and then batman unobjectiveness blocking him from making the right choice
you could blame the joker on bman (an accident mind you) through his unconfirmed and unreliable testimony but that is unrealiable
Batman came in response to an escalation of crime as did criminals escalate to bman. At least in the escalation the end result is better than the before picture where police are corrupt and the mob has near total control heck in some stories just seeking reform is what gets the Wayne parents killed before bman even with super criminals gotham is better than what it was before. Not to mention there were already worse criminals than the ones you mentioned about being in gotham namely the court of owls
Batman doesnt kill because he has issues with killing others alot of gothams most dangerous should have gotten the death penalty decades ago and the only reason the criminals arent stopped is because a fusion of PIS and Plot Armor
Xylarxcode Mr Freeze was already a sociopath as a child he had a hobby of using his freeze ray on innocent animals(harming animals is one of the first signs of a serial killer)
Man I miss this series I wish they would come back
they have some extra episodes at the "Small Beans" channel, some with partly a different cast.
Finally, I got to the end of the playlist! Why is this backwards?
Because when you add a video to a playlist, it gets prepended.
Yeah, I don't get it, either…
Seriously the best after hours episode so far, and that's saying something. they're all so hilarious.
How about the fact that most batman villains exist because of batman (joker, twoface, razz) or because Bruce Wayne is neglecting his company (riddler, freeze, ivy). If he never became batman the only crime in Gotham would be normal street crime which the police can deal with.
OH! You have a huge mess? Let me help you. I'm sorry, it appears I have made another larger mess. I guess you need me to clean that while your hands are still full with the first mess.
*Yelling from a distance*
I have seemed to have made two more messes on my walk over here, but don't worry, I can handle them! I'm batman!
Ra's Al-Ghul is an immortal ninja bent on destroying Gotham. He pre-dates Batman, and would be way too much for the police to handle.
Then you've got Killer Croc, The Penguin, Bane, to name but a few, who would be nearly unstoppable, had there been no Batman....
Then you've got professional assassins like Deadshot and Deathstroke.
James Richards Why is Ra bent on destroying Gotham? Don't you think an "immortal ninja" has better things to focus on?
In this case, I'm looking at Batman Begins.
He sees Gotham as a symbol of corruption because the crime rate is so absurdly high (which also by the way justifies Batman's existence...). In that sense, he's basically a vigilante zealot, who's going WAY too far...
Of course, that's just the Nolanverse. Ra's' motivations in the comics are harder to pin down because there's eighty bajillion different timelines and stories in there...
James Richards
Even Batman cannot stop Deathstroke alone. Unless you count the arkham series as canon. which i do not.
4:20. That exact joke was made at the start of season 2 episode 8 of suits. Which released around a year after this was uploaded. Maybe one of writers saw this.
Five years and this one never gets old.
so we all ignore the bus boy's outfit looked like twoface's tux
6:35 I SHIPPED THESE 2 FOREVER!!!! MISSION COMPLETE!!!
But catwoman was invented for this. I'm not sure why it's a shocker.
Now Mario and Leela from Futurama together would be a rare sight you may celebrate.
I don't mean Batman and Catwoman, I mean when they were regular. And Mario and Leela would be awesome!
Well, that's a much farther guess, good work.
Yesssss!
Rewatching these episodes, for the umpteenth time, has really been a blessing during 2020 and into the new year. To the 4 awesome people, where ever you all now are, of this pop culture “round” table, thank you! Seriously, thank you!
well kate x sorren is a thing now
It always was... it always was...
Holly Smith yup
How did I not notice the Chinese delivery guy for nine whole years!?!
They've added him later with CGI, like George Lucas.
Imagine being in a diner and seeing a man and a women scream at each other over Batman XD
The child batman saved in dark knight is king Jeoffry from Game Of Thrones.
That settles it. Batman is just as bad as the joker.
3:20 "want his real life counterpart to admit it"
Me: NEVER
If only all flame wars ended like this. The interwebs would be a nicer place and its people will get more action, maybe a few will finally lose their virginity
I dont think kissing loses virginity... Thats not how that works.
ThruFreeP0N3
Kissing can lead to the losing of virginity though.
6:36 i'll ship it.
yes.
I know right *fangirling moment*
i wish they did more
don't we all?
AH HA! Cody was always the one MAD with aspergers!
Rewatching all these gems while trying to avoid the plague...
🤣🤣😅😂😅😢😂😢😭😭
I really like the early ones where you get "character" moments in with the banter. It's like a pop culture obsessed soap! This and the Spider-Man one, good soap opera fun :-)
Batman is legit a little crazy read some of his comics. He has a separate personality and takes in little boys from the streets and dresses them in tights to help him fight crime. A little nuts to me.
P.S. but he is awesome.
omg, that kiss is awesome!
6:30 JUST F*** ALREADY!
5:08 love that dan is the one trying to shift the topic off the arguement and on Michael joke. Even he is realizing this is getting too intense
alright, im marathoning these and this one wins. im not even gunna watch the rest. no fucking point.
Watching the James Bond after this one is worth it
I think Indiana Jones is my favourite.
You like the one that makes fun of Aspergers? They are insulting autistic people
Batman has an insane skill set that allows him to counter cosmic threats against humanity, but he still takes time to police his hometown.
Gordon: Where have you been?!
Batman: Punching out some alien invaders that wanted to steal our water.
Gordon: Uh... okay.
Seeing a pre Some More News Cody Johnston at the end makes me smile. He was so happy back then...
Oh man it sure got steamy in the end xD
the girl has a point. in batman origins i got the feeling bats just likes to beat people up. enigma tries to expose evil schemers(probably business poeple) and anarky tries to blow up the system which sucks the blood out of the poor. batman beats these guys up
Lewis von Feline thanks for the suggestion that guy was hilarious.
He could just kill the Joker and other criminals who obviously cannot be contained. But no, his stupid moral code about not killing keeps him from doing the ONE THING that would actually make Gotham better. Ironic, ain't it? Talking about the greater good when he won't even kill a few bad people for the greater good.
+ShadeSlayer1911 An argument that everyone always loves to bring out that I personally don't buy. Batman exists in a perpetually morally grey world. He is a hero and he saves people, but he acts outside the law and takes the law into his own hands. We allow this for two reasons, the first because the law system of Gotham is so corrupt that it is no longer just, with cops, judges, and people at every other level of this system all owned by the criminal underground. The law is lawless, therefore you need a lawless man to save Gotham.
However the second reason that Batman, despite being morally grey, is firmly on the side of good, is that while he might operate outside the law, he is still held to an absolute moral standard that he cannot break. Since he is the most powerful force in Gotham, unstoppable by both the corrupt law and the criminals, he must be held to the most stringent moral standards or else he becomes a tyrant. If you state that Batman has the authority to kill the Joker, that he can make that decision himself, then he has the authority to kill anyone that he wants. Can he kill Harvey Dent? Can he kill Mr. Freeze? How about a corrupt Judge that is bailing out drug dealers and directly contributing to the deaths of citizens? A random mugger on the street?
Maybe Batman SHOULD kill the Joker, but it doesn't matter because he doesn't have the authority to make that choice. Would it potentially save lives in the future? Almost certainly. Would it lead to the most good overall if you only look at that specific act in a vacuum? Yeah, that's probably true to. But just like how a policeman doesn't have the right to execute a dangerous criminal because "the world would be better without this guy in it", so Batman also doesn't have the authority to decide which of his villains live and which of them die.
Kyle Flanagan At the end of the day, results are all that matter. If he can't actually fix all the crime and corruption in Gotham, it doesn't matter what his moral reasons are for not killing.
He's a smart guy. He knows what he's doing. He knows that by allowing these criminals to live, he won't actually come any closer to solving crime and corruption in Gotham. And so he willingly allows innocent people to die at the hands of supervillains, people that he is supposed to be protecting. Why? Some moral reasons about not being the executioner. Do you think the families of the dead victims of these criminals will care why Batman let their loved ones die? Absolutely not. Would they instead be happier if their loved ones were saved by the self-appointed guardian of Gotham at the cost of a few dead criminally insane and evil criminals? Absolutely yes.
And Bruce knows all this, but he doesn't care. At best, he can't actually bring himself to do what is necessary for moral reasons, or for fear of turning to the dark side, in which case, he should step down as Batman and save the city as Bruce via money. At worst, he is allowing crime to exist on purpose, so he will have a reason to beat up people and soothe his violent urges, a symptom of his childhood trauma and sociopathy.
You might oppose "means for an end" approach, but at the end of the day, a true hero is someone who is able to do what is necessary to do good and stop suffering. If Batman can't do that, then he's not a real hero. He's just a guy beating people up with no real results in stopping crime effectively.
So, he's either a terrible hero or actually a selfish villain. Either way, it's not looking good for the caped crusader.
+Kyle Flanagan by not killing the Joker, Batman allows the Joker to continuously put the lives of Gothan dwellers in danger and yes even kill a numerous amount of other people every time he escapes from any containment
+ShadeSlayer1911 Yeah, but you're implying he DOES have the right to make the choice. And as he's made clear in the comics, he has an immensely hard time refraining from killing. But look at where he's coming from, his family DIED because a poor guy lashed out in fear and anger at the world, and killed his parents in an attempt to grab some cheap cash. He KNOWS what that kind of anger, that kind of violence does to people. So he is completely and utterly HORRIFIED at the idea of killing.
A bad hero, yes. But only because he never pledged to be the hero, the guy who makes the sacrifice (by killing Joker). He's just happened to have his life patterned around those circumstances that lead to him being in the right place to HELP OUT, as much as he can.
He's not fully a hero, just part of a much larger team, in the struggling Gotham Justice System.
Batman hopes to reform criminals rather than kill them, and his system works! Just look at Catwoman, or Talia al Ghul, or Damian Wayne.
I've been rewatching all these after hours videos since they were first uploaded and - "Is that Jack with the food outside the window after the kiss??"
“Not if the yacht is bat shaped.” 🦇🛥
LEGO Batman “Dont touch that!”
Who's watching this after the charity stream?
Oh my god I still quote the "He's gone mad with aspergers" throwing sugar packets bit
Ahhhh! There's the guy delivering Chinese food that they mentioned in the reunion finale video. Time stamp 6:46!
Ill never unsee it!
Little baby Cody! Also, I'm glad Dan and Soren brought up this episode on their podcast and gave me a reminder to go back and watch it again so many years later.
Interesting idea for a Batman comic: Some guy convinces Wayne to hang the mask and use his money to make an actual difference.
It could be an alternate universe, or something.
Bruce Wayne already does that! He supports multiple orphanges and rehabilitation centers across Gotham. He even funds Blackgate prison's research division. In the New 52 Batman even keeps the cities power going by keeping it connected to Wayne Enterprises, making it seem like he's a kind of Robin Hood stealing from Wayne but in fact it's the same person. And that's not even the tip of the iceberg
Dasaun McClinton
Wayne has a fiduciary duty to his fellow stockholders. While his outward charity is fine, his use of Wayne Enterprise money to fund his personal crime fighting romp is clearly illegal. Of course they covered this in the video.
Dasaun McClinton
and yet he has no done any positive change in Gotham or at least any positive change that show you that gotham can sand on it own .. batman is just fighting the inevitable .. gotham is doom to dye
*****
but yeah dye may be good solution also.. everything is too grim and depressing ..they nEED to ad some color to that city something more cheerful
***** removal of a corrupt police force, lowering of the crime rate, toppling the court of owls, and his works of justice league. Bats has done quite a bit of good. The only reason most of its temporary is because the writers want to keep the comic series going
I saw the kiss coming when she took off her glasses lol
I saw it coming a little after she took off her jacket
has anyone else noticed batman keeps finding juvenlie boys to aid him in his hobby. Its a pretty messed up if you think about it.
BillNye the cipher guy .....so is Batman a pedophile???? EWWWWW!!!
Dick is the only one he sought out. Jason & Tim both found Bruce. Damien was also delivered to him by Talia so it's really just been Bruce saying that he's not going to abandon orphans or his kid when they come to his doorstep.
He's like the anti-Goku father
@@TheMilapMehta So Piccolo. Batman is Piccolo.
In Superman Returns, Lex Luther explained to Louis that he was freed from prison because Superman didn't make a single court appearance after putting him away. The same could be true for Batman. Hey Bats! You need to make those court appearances, MAN!
you could have used the fact that batman didn't become a hero to take down a major villain because every villain was created after batman not before so in my opinion baman created villains
Its a chicken ,egg situation
Jacob Speaks
No it isn't. Villains existed first.
Xanatos an argument could be made for both is all im saying
yeah some villains were around im not arguing that but after they were dealt with there were more villains which only cam about when batman did
98% of criminals have drank milk...Therefore milk causes crime
Daniel peeking at the at end made me fall of my chair
They shouldn't use the Nolan films as a reference to how Batman operates. The comics will clearly show you that Bruce does all he can outside of the mask. But Gotham is just so screwed up that it will always need Batman.
Can’t believe this video is 11 years old
Batman created the Joker and then he refuses to kill him. He is responsible for every person the Joker has ever killed (and that's alot of people).
I am so with you
David Herbst I see your point, but remember that if Bruce Wayne just stayed at home and never became Batman, the Joker wouldn't even exist.
David Herbst Yeah but every chance he gives the joker is one more prison break that we all know well happen and one more person who has to die because the joker escaped yet again because he was brought back to arkham asylum yet again. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I think at this point we can all agree that batman has lost it.
lusamba katende I wouldn't be surprised if the Joker would like batman to kill him. Killing him would undermine everything batman stood for and could possibly cause batman to finally break. To Joker, that could be his final joke, to prove to batman that he was just fooling himself and it's a "joke" to believe in mankind. In the comic "Killing Joke" it made a reference that they must do it "right" or joker was correct. Same thing happened in the movie The Dark Knight, Joker proved that it was a joke to think that Harvey Dent will save Gotham cause he could easily be broken like everybody else. Killing the Joker would be good, I guess, but something must have cause batman to go over the edge to do that. Then, we might see a batman version of superman who got corrupt in "Injustice: Gods Among Us".
Mau Mauster
There was actually a comic that got turned into a direct to tv animation, based on i think earth-31, where Batman was a little more grimdark, and had killed a few times. But eventually retired. The Joker then went into a catatonic state for years, until word of Batman returned. He then ends up on a talk show, kills everyone there, including the audience, and leads an aged batman on a chase through a fair. More die, until a final confrontation in the tunnel of love. Joker proclaims victory, cause he made Batman 'lose control.' And when batman wouldn't end them, Joker snapped his own neck to frame Batman for murder.
The problem with Batman is that he is a psychopath who is totally turned on by being in danger and by running around in costumes. This is why he always lets the big villains live. Not only that, he even takes care that they are not locked up in some high security prison, but in Arkham Asylum, which is virtually a revolving door for villains.
I mean, moral high ground? Not killing anyone? As if. He even has sex with Black Canary in front of a burning pile of henchmen. Henchmen he just killed. But killing the _really_ bad guys, the guys who have already killed a million people? Noooo, of course not. Because by doing so, he would remove the excuse he needs to run around in a costume and put himself in danger.
Okay you're getting a couple of things WAY way off here.
If Bruce didn't want Arkham to be an efficient mental health facility he wouldn't spend so much money trying to FUND them, in many iterations of the character he gives tons of money to Arkham, including but not limited to even giving them security technology, the problem in the workings lies in the staff, not the policy, they just don't give a shit and sadly, that actually happens a lot in real hospitals.
Secondly, Batman doesn't send them anywhere, the courts/doctors do because a good number of Batmans rogues gallery are batshit insane, and many still DO go to Blackgate Prison, which mind you has about the same track record with how many people they can actually keep an eye on for a given amount of time. While Joker, Ivy, Croc, Two Face, Clayface and others indeed go to Arkham that's because they have mental issues that would make the word severe seem like an understatement. Villains like Black Mask, Deadshot, and other more Organized crime villains however go to Blackgate.
I like having conversations on Bruces effectiveness as Batman, even sometimes taking the position that he's actually a disservice to the city more than a help to it but he has absolutely NO say in who's insane and goes to a hospital verses who's sane and goes to prison, nor does he have the say in who lives or who dies and he knows it no matter how big of a monster he comes up against.
Furzkampfbomber you had to reference Frank Miller's All Star Batman and Robin...not the best choice to represent batman.....yea....No one likes that Goddamn Batman
***** You are right, but I might say to my defense that I lost track of which DC storyline took place in which universe and which is deemed canon in which context.
And it does not change the fact that the early Batman had not problem whatsoever to "accidentally" kill henchman or, much later, to let an opponent starve to death, but never harmed any of his main opponents.
And honestly, I appreciate his general "no deadly force" approach, he is not the Punisher. But then again he _knows_ with whom he is dealing with, he _knows_ that for instance the Joker is capable of killing without indisrimination and I wonder if he does not feel responsible in some ways.
I am not saying that Batman should just kill the guy, but he made it clear that he gives a crap about the law when he deems it incapable of protecting innocents and I am sure he could surely find ways to lock up the Joker more permanently.
darkservantofheaven You are right as well, All-Star Batman is a complety jerk and he -might not be- is not the best example. But other versions of Batman were not especially nice either. All I am saying is that Batman occasionally showed a surprising disregard of henchmens lifes, while never really killing any of his main foes.
Furzkampfbomber When exactly is Batman ever been meant to be "nice" (excluding the Adam West) I chalk the "henchmen dying, but main foe living" to bad writing. I'm just gonna put it this way, I have no problem with the idea of Batman using deadly force, but only if its a last resort.
its one of the reasons I prefer Oliver Queen over Bruce Wayne. I'm talking about in the comics and outside the comics. Oliver has been written as a better business man than Bruce (as well as Tony) and has used his family's company funds to both fix Star City through programs as well as The Green Arrow.
Green Arrow gets called a batman ripoff alot, and yea he was, but hes a far nicer and more aproachable batman. Okay yea, The "Arrow Car" and the Arrowcave are incredibly stupid terms. And Bruce has far better training than Oliver as well as a much more infamous Rogues Gallery and some much better or more interesting Storylines (I only recently started reading Green Arrow comics from the past after I got into the Justice League Cartoon and the Arrow TV series, so sue me)
But Oliver is far more aproachable hero as the Green Arrow, and unlike batman, Oliver has no problem Killing if it means to save a life of a citizen. And he knows that Dark place Bruce spoke of in the Under The Redhood Story line if he allowed himself to kill. Considering that Oliver had to kill to survive the Island (this is mostly in the TV series, not sure about the comics)
darkservantofheaven
My comment was never about Batman being "nice", because as you say it, he never was. He never had problems beating the living shit out of people, breaking bones and disarticulating joints.
But Batman himself, a huge parts of the writing as well as the movies (especially the movies) are celebrating his "never use deadly force" approach and many people never stop to point out that Batman never kills. Which is not true.
I totally agree with your opinion about Oliver Queen/Green Arrow and I really like how the tv-show is depicting the development of his character. After leaving the island, he is hurt and incredibly angry and in the beginning he is all like "screw it, they've had it coming". He had to _learn_ that going on a rampage uncontrolled might not be the best approach and in the end will damage himself even more.
In more than one way his character development and the way he behaves is far more healthy.
Batman on the other hand, and this is my main point and problem with him, never really learned to cope with what happened to him. In a way, he is a total psycho. As one comic I've once read said... if he developes further in this direction, he might end up sitting in the dark, breaking the necks of little kittens and growling the names of his enemies.
He gives a rats ass about the rules, as long as he can find a "higher reason" to excuse his next rampage.
And my personal little theory is that this is the exact reason why Bruce Wayne utterly fails to create a better Gotham with all his money, why Batman fails to put a real end to his arch enemies evil activities and why he handles them with kid gloves in comparison to their henchmen.
In a way he behaves like a bloody junkie. He needs all this crap as an outlet for his own inner pressure. He _can't_ really put an end to this, because that would be like a heroin addict burning down a poppy field.
Oliver Queen/Green Arrow knows that in certain situations he has no other choice than to kill, but he does not kill only the henchmen and allows the big players to walk free in the end. He behaves rational.
Hell, even the Punisher, as messed up; brutal; cynical and close-minded as he can be, acts more honest; rational and consequent as Bruce Wayne/Batman does.
These videos are amazing. I wished I watched it all when it came out!
"He's gone mad with Asperger's"... it's my 7th birthday party all over again
Well that ending was...
Unexpected.
Batman is a man who has recognized that his city government has failed and that, to literally save his city, he must fight the criminals the city cannot. Thinking him terrible for the few excesses he has committed--murder and unlawful surveillance--is unreasonable because any alternative law-enforcement system would eventually commit them, too.
Furthermore, thinking him incompetent for not killing criminals and not enormously donating to crime-fighting and city-building is also unreasonable. Like Soren argues, Bruce Wayne knows that only his being Batman protects Gotham from destruction. Therefore, when Nightwing tells him to choose between Nightwing and Joker's lives, Batman justly saves both, saying that, "If I killed him... if I went to that place, I know I could never come back": killing Joker would make Batman a villain, dooming Gotham--perhaps to his wrath! This principle of not killing generalizes to the other villains, too. Also, Bruce Wayne cannot be Batman if dead and therefore cannot imperil himself by donating to the criminal justice system, whose prisoners might kill him to get free, again dooming Gotham. Finally, Batman has limited time, and doing philanthropy whilst maniacs pillage and slaughter is not an effective use thereof because many of them never were motivated by money but are simply criminally insane.
Batman is not an aristocratic playboy looking to "work out his anger". His wanting vengeance so only inspired his pursuit of justice that he spared the gunman who murdered his parents. He lives without close friends and with a crushing secret, almost-lonely bearing the fear and pain of fighting every night. He risks his life for Gotham: what more could one ask?
he created the criminals in the first place
and every time he sticks to his non killing rule half the city dies and he doesn't use money to help gotham but go around playing dressup
rashed ali
It is against the law to kill criminals if gotham citizens want to live safely they could execute those criminals themselves or drug them in the arkham until they turn into vegetables and pose no more treat.
also batman only created Joker and only because he broke his rule of no killing criminals, batman failed to kill joker and here we have result.
batman is a useless pussy
just because other government law systems would do that too that doesn't justify anything. You admitted yourself that the gotham's law enforcement failed. If you want to be a SUPERHERO or a HERO there is no such thing as the GREATER GOOD, you have to save everyone, without violating their rights. We can do the greater good thing as well, in a fight between 100 vs 100 people we can sacrafice the 25 to run away if shit hits the fan.. but is that justice? no. We might have been saved, but what about the others who had to pay for our freedom? Batman is just a rich asshole who thinks this is his city and he owns it, well guess what, this is everyone's city. His intentions might be good, but what good has he really done? he saved gotham a few times but he caused more trouble, if it wasn't for him beating the villains those guys wouldn't have gone so far to do the things they do to win against him and just be petty criminals (joker would just be a bank robber if the rest of the villains didn't hate batman) you see every time he kicks their ass and then wonders off, they come back with a bigger threat, he is the cause of this problem. He needs to not only ninja karate kid kick ass the villains but also secure them in prison as well, what good is it to put those people who almost destroyed an entire city in the local prison? are you out of your head? if you can't keep them as prisoners then there is literally no point of beating them.. literally. (expect for killing them)
Not So Popular Dude
That is pretty strange logic, but real life society is doing exactly sale thing. we catch petty criminals, who are not even harmful, like some marihuana users, put them in prison for short amount of time, ruin their lives completely and kick them out.
Situation with batman is probably better because all criminals are just placed in that easy to escape asylum where they actually get help and they can leave almost anytime and continue to live as good people.
Also batman cant send people to prison, because that is job for for court.
If batmans was killing criminals I guess he would be killed too, it must be some kind of unwritten rules not to kill each other.
I know I'm 10 years late, but I just realized Soren made a mistake: Batman didn't save the ferry boats -- the people themselves saved them by choosing not to blow up the other. Batman actually had nothing to do with their decision.
I know I'm 11 months late, but the Joker was about to blow the both boats up and that's when Batman stopped him
@@KarvenDizarm I know I´m 7 months late, but I just wanted to keep this going
Anybody else waltzing down memory lane a decade later?