According to the automatic captions, you found a lot of different rings, namely: annulled, man old, an auld, Renauld, nolde, an old heal ring, medalled, nigel, angel, Rene Joel, nasal, and 3 missile J. I particularly liked the 5% man is stolen pitman old at 9:21. "and aerial" has been generous to you.
Haven't played D2 in quite some years, but I recall that both Manald and Nagel have a rarity of 15 and SoJ has a rarity of 1, so each unique ring from NM Andy should have a 1/31 chance of being a SoJ. You're right on the curve, not above, not below :P Quite a nice experiment!
I've imagined that many times too. Sometimes I go stand next to Cain with all these unique unidentified items and drop them next to him. Just to pretend he's getting tortured. Then the game crashes and I lose them all.
im a new player and ive been consistently dreaming about dropping a Ber/Jah rune for the last week. A couple of times, I would jump up from my bed and check my characters inventory and be sad that it wasn't there LMFAO
Excellent demonstration of the power of a larger samplesize. Stone of jordan would appear on 1 : 31 rings dropped from andariel nightmare, something that would result in 3 : 93, of wich you got. And the same for 30% nagelrings. they are 15 : 31 turns out to be a nagel, so out of 100 it would be around 47 nagelrings, and 1 : 16 of those will be 30, wich is 3 : 48, wich is also what you ended up with. You hit the exact average in this demonstration, not lucky, not unlucky. Nice video
Good demonstration on how rare it is even from nightmare Andariel. Some people talk about farming her with the tone of "just go and get it, man" but it can really take a while.
Well. Assuming he put the oldest rings from the start of the project on top and then went down, he had an soj in the first 20 rings. Thats a couple hundred runs maybe, and a good fire sorc with a decent map can pump that out pretty quick.
@@wroogny couple of hundred runs where each run you dont get it you get nothing, nothing of value. Maybe it is the technical fastest way to specifically get sojs and only sojs but this is a good case scenario, bad case it will be your 50th unique ring after a thousand runs and you will have nothing else to show for it. Only a sadist would do this.
it's the thingie with chance. I gambled it and it only took a few times. Tried to do that again - possibly not 2205 times, but it never happened again xD
I’m farming nm Andariel today for hours and only got one unic ring, a manald. LoL! I was feeling bad but after watching this video I got my strengths renewed! Thx!! 😂
I'm a little bit late to the party, but i look at it from the standpoint of trading. Even if i find less SoJ in Hell Andarial, i still find overall more expensive stuff that i can trade for an SoJ. That's why i never farm anything at Nightmare.
NM mephisto is pretty good early on at the start of ladder when you are trying to gear up to farm hell. He can drop all the good lvl 42 items like hoz, titans, occy, war travs etc. Most of which are quite valuable early on. But I agree, once you are geared up and can handle farming hell there's no reason to farm anything in nm.
I have never made that much of runs, but back then I had a necro, who easily got 2 soj (one from Andy and another one from a cow level). I doubt I made 100 runs in both directions. Now I am playing resurrected and finally understand HOW lucky I were.
@@GamersOdyssey So happy for you, man! Yeah, I did already like 1000 runs, i guess, no SoJ yet. I guess that Necro of mine was really lucky) Got a shitty Mara from cows chest though! The only one GG-item so far
I remembered the good old days of D2 on Bnet, where nagel > manald > SoJ spawns in order. So we would farm characters full of gold and buy rings off the merchant on a mule while carrying nagel + manald. Next unique ring that spawns off the merchant would be a guaranteed SoJ. :)
@@Purriah it's true though. They were considered unique so if you had Nagel and Manald on your character and you gambled another ring, the next unique would be a SoJ. Don't know when it was changed.
Fun fact: Nagel is pronounced as Na'g'hel, in old european languages referring to "Nail Ring". You can see in German and Dutch both retaining old germanic spoken language still using Nagel to this day. Since this a gothic themed game i'm almost 1000% sure this was their aim a "Nail ring" not a Neigel ring.
You're not wrong, but at the same time, why should an English native speaker bother changing his or her pronunciation just to be historically or linguistically accurate? Like, who the fuck gives a shit?
Sure... SoJ's have less odds in Hell difficulty, but it also feels really nice to find that 5% LL BK ring too that Hell tends to offer. I seem to find them just as often as SoJ's. I always told people to only farm Nightmare if their character struggles to farm Hell, or you feel your clear speed isn't fast enough yet to justify the difficulty increase.
I have found one Stone of Jordan. Still one of the best feelings I've had in my life. The very rare and valuable drops in this game are so amazing you remember them for years.
thanks for the hint that Andariel on Nightmare is a good source for SoJs! I got my first SoJ along with a 72 / 30 Nailring out of 10 unique rings. And now I have a lifetime supply of Cathan's Seal :D
Been playing since classic 1.03, have only found 5 in that time. There are some items I've never seen drop such as Tyraels, Mangs Song Lesson, Cranium Basher and Asterons.
I’ve played for years! YEARS! And I just recently started playing again and I’ve only found 2 and one was yesterday..side note in 2021 the soj isn’t worth anything more. People literally give them away.
@@codyrisling3253 back on early versions before the expansion, sojs were prime currency, I'm sure you remember. P skulls had crazy value back then too.
I played Classic D2 ladder on closed BNet for a number of years, farmed Andy and Meph mercilessly, ID'd dozens of 30 MF Nagels, and I don't think I dropped more than 1 SOJ from her in all that time. In all those thousands of hours of play the only SOJs I ever got were, one from Hell or NM cows, and all others were just traded for. Imo this project was a bit duplicitous, 3/100 would've been a dream drop-rate in my experience, nevermind that you only got 3 perfect Nagels with it. I should've had dozens of SOJs at that rate! There was a bit of myth in the classic community about how best to farm SOJs, the most prevalent one being to MF NM Andy with 250-350 MF and you were "guaranteed" one every 50-100 runs, but I think both of our experiences thoroughly dispute that, and mine even more heavily than yours. Grats on your SOJs though, I'm still waiting to find ONE in PlugY single-player. Rough times out here in Diablo 2 land
Rng is rng. You can't expect the odds to act the same every time. Even 2205 runs is a very small sample in the grand scheme of things. Millions of samples would have to be collected to produce accurate results.
@@finalcam1740 Oh of course, that's why I feel like it was almost unfairly disproportionate. 3:3 is a really weird ratio of IDs for SOJs to PNagels and definitely exemplifies the nature of sample size. I feel like I'd ID'd hundreds of unique rings on a monthly basis and it was always so disheartening. PNagel eventually became Charsifood, I was tired of muling them I got that many. But those damn SOJs... it just made me wonder where everybody who I was trading with was getting theirs, or if I was somehow cosmically influenced to experience everyone else's bad RNG while they were getting paydays. As an aside, I also found no more than a half dozen Silks, Gulls, or Goldskins (those few items being somewhat commodified in classic ladder, not immensely so but enough to still give them value in bartering) in all my years and also only acquired through trading. I really felt like my odds were cursed, and on Closed BNet it was especially a thorn in your side because you could only make about 20 games/hr before Realm Down which really make it sting all the more bitterly: you MF as much as you can, as much as you're ALLOWED, but even meeting the quota is never enough!
D2 is from a different time. Less content was made up for by a higher grind factor, and we loved it. It's tough in modern times after being used to other games but yeah D2 is even worse than PoE in terms of getting GG endgame gear solo self found.
I decided not to play it. I played it a lot, farmed it a lot, enjoyed it a lot, but time have passed. There are a lot of better and more enjoyable games out there. Even with the updated graphics I don't want to struggle with it again. There is nothing new in it what I haven't done a decade ago.
@@Hippiaszful If I have to name those games, you are clearly not well informed about games on the market. D2 was one of the best of its time, but not anymore.
Nice to see that there are so many of you out there, hardcore d2 enthusiasts... I have aswell been playing the game for over a decade, since 2005 approx, and I never thought that there are any crazy ass d2 fans that finished the game hundreds of times and done shit like this... Now I see that I am not the only one...
Yeah, thats why a lot of people will be shocked on, how hard it is to geht some of the higher runes, without Dupes/Bots. But i guess in D2R there will be Bots too :/
@@StefanSentroshiReechani Im hoping the grinding is reworked. While I dont want it to be D3 easy. With a constant ladder reset every few months will make getting great builds near impossible on ladder.
@@Clear706 how do you know it's every few months? d2 ladder is once every 6 months i'm pretty sure. And trading makes great builds not very hard to make, unless you go for like perfect items or something.
After spending endless hours doing LK runs, sometimes enduring 1000+ run dry spells... NM Andy is a pleasure to run. I started playing when SOJs were still currency on BNET so they always have this special place in my heart. I don't mind spending an afternoon targeting them in NM. Your sorc is invincible in NM, the runs can be close to 15 seconds each with the right map, so youre virtually guaranteed one or two a day if you don't mind the monotony.
I'm buying a new computer this week I'm gonna get back into this game. I played D2 for like 14 years on and off and it's one my favorite games of all time. I haven't played in like 5 years and I'm really wanting to lol.
When you get around to installing it on windows 10 a blue box is going to appear and say it cant run, theres a small dropdown menu in that popup that will let you continue anyways Happy gaming
Back in the day we used to gamble our gold away for SOJs I remember getting a few back then.But even the odds doing that seemed to be a lot higher then these odds.
Way way back in pre expac D2 there was a time where the game would drop the unique rings in order, based on what was in your inventory. So you'd carry a manald and nagel and gamble away, because if it came out unique it was a guaranteed SOJ
Diablo 2: Usually takes minimum 1 yr to find Soj sometimes years. Diablo 4: Given a Soj in first 5 minutes of the beta. This at its core is everything I hate about D3 and D4.
Judging by what I’ve seen in beta it looks like hot garbage imo. Now I know why so many people thought a D2 remaster was coming bc they blatantly released a copy pasted beta version of D2 with the itemization of D3 with upgraded graphics. If the loot/Itemization doesn’t receive a massive overhaul I for one will be sticking with Diablo 2 for another foreseeable 7-10 years.
Our data showed after post Uber event the drop rate overall for SOJ’s went way down. We used to get them all the time before it. it’s fun seeing these runs again. We have some really good data on Pindle (we have all champs and bosses but Pindle is my fav) as well (24hr runs @17~19sec kill speeds).
The saddest times were d2. I had a group of buddies that would play all the time. We did this stuff, grind for days only to have botters and dupers lap us.
I think this about every video he has. Like most people, I got lost in the game and spent so much time on it. Then slowly the botting and duping just destroyed the game. Blizzard tried their best, but it was so early into anti-hacking in games they were always behind. Eventually all of us reached a point where we realized the game was just too far gone from what it was
@@DouglasCarter69 Depends on how And what Blizzard can do about it since the engine is the same The Servers are new though and maybe they can implement a hackshield or something to get rid of bots and dupes
@@user-ik2zr1cx1u It's pretty amazing they've been running this same basic engine for what - 20+ years now? Wonder how many other games can claim that. Hell, they even recycle the musical score. We are not a fickle fanbase. LOL!
Used to play D2 when I was a teenager and never got one in the 2-3 years of playing. Recently started again on Plugy and was questing my way through the flyer jungle and a random bird dropped a unique ring, identified it and was my first ever SOJ! Made my day!
@@huntbones3363 it's a mod that allows you to do some stuff that your normally can't in single player. For example you can do ladder only runewords, there is an infinite stash (much like using a mule on battlenet) and you can kill the cow king and still go back into the cow level. Among other things. Makes the game more enjoyable as a single player game.
3 SoJ in 2205 is about 750 per 1. That's not bad at all.I never knew it was so easy to farm SoJs.. You gotta remember that NM is so easy compared to Hell. Resist are much easier on NM so you can pack more magic find. Dbrunski I think you're out of touch with the common player who doesn't have uber characters with Infinities and Enigmas. It's quite easy to kill NM Andy for almost anyone and on average you can get 1 SoJ for 750 runs? That's not bad. I'm going to do some NM Andy runs later today after seeing this video. I only have 1 SoJ in my entire stash.
Diablo 2 was arguably one of the best Blizzard games in the Diablo series of games ever made. I personally enjoyed it a lot more than Diablo 3 and it's expansions.
I found 3 sojs online manually in my life, i do remember them all because they are kind of rare for sure. One was from NM trist helping a friend, 2nd was from hell soul while clearing a baal throne and the last one was from hell diablo directly. Its one of those items that when you id it you're like hell yeah
thanks for this awesome and informative video! thanks for the hard work. I was just thinking of farming Andariel on NM myself, but now thanks to your video, I know better now ;)
I've played D2 hundreds and hundreds of hours, LOADS of it on MF sorcs.... Of All the unique rings I've ever found, only 1 was a SOJ. Tons of nagel, manald, and quite a few dwarf stars, a few raven frost, and one nature's peace. Never found a bul-kathos. And the SOJ was just from a regular mob outside nightmare act 5, clearing things for exp on my way to shenk.
About a year ago during a session of random farming I found two SoJs and a Mara's within the same 30 minutes. I've quit since then because I kind of feel like I won the game. That's it. Never going to get that kind of luck again. Time to pack it in and retire.
Well, there is a old tip if you want SoJ, do tranvical runs till the council drops a set amulet. Pick it but do not indentify it, don't pick anything from the ground and start killing monsters, hit chests and barb find item - for this is good for sure - anything that can drop SoJ (iLvl 39). If you found a unique ring in this game, this is always be a SoJ (only the first one because when you pick anything it resets and only works on set amy from high council).
Dang dude, looks like you beat the odds pretty hard. At 775 MF (a conservative estimate based on what I believe your gear is just by looking at it), Andariel's SOJ drop odds are still 1:1321.
Hell yeah man. Definitely worth it. Back in the day I collected 48 Nightmare Andy unique rings, that's what the stash allowed, I don't use mods. I got 2 SoJ's. Last year I decided to do it again, 48 more, not easy, takes time but then again 2 more SoJ's. So satisfying to find that ring. You gotta go Nightmare for sure.
I personally prefer NM Andy runs for a couple of reasons. The first being slightly better odds, of course. Second being, they can be done earlier on with a much weaker sorc, at about the same pace. I also like certain items that she can drop. It is a good place to find SotVM, to help lower characters build up, etc. Otherwise, I like NM Mephisto for rings, he drops a high rate of dwarf stars and ravenfrosts. Also I think he is the best place to find those exceptional class specific uniques like titans, hoz, etc.
I also did a lot of these runs with 730%MF to 870%MF until I had 3 SoJ (I never found it before) : the 1st was the #48, the 2nd #114 and the 3rd #128. I also found 2 Tal Rashas's amulets but no Telling of Beads Amulet (both have ~1 to 1940 to drop) and 1 Immortal King's Will (~1 to 300) with 40%MF.
It's funny how rng works. I farmed Hell andariel just for fun, nothing particular. First run an SOJ. I was very happy. Did a couple more runs and later watched a movie. The same day, found another SOJ after 8 runs.
@@ttvijimcarried8916 He's definetly not in hell, since he would id other rings than Manald and Nagel. The background video is indeed in hell, but that's just a filler.
This proves why I don’t want to farm just nm andariel. Yes it’s higher chance just for soj but it would drive me nuts seeing all the other mostly worthless rings
O man. Been playing d2 on and off for 20 years. Never have I found an soj. I’m impressed though dude... you know your stuff. I’m on hardcore East right now getting back into the game once again. :)
You haven't played much in those ten years then. Or at least not efficiently. I've played for 15 years and have probably found a few100 soj rings maybe even upwards of 300.
@@SuperZakaru I guess not efficiently. That wasn't my play style. I was never an item farmer. i ran diablo and cows and when the expansion released i ran baal for levels and whatever items they dropped. other then that i dueled.
@@UnreliableUsername 4,5% to get an unique ring (100 for 2200 runs), then 3% chance of that ring being a soj for 0.00135% chance to get a soj per run, thats 50% to get a single one after 500 runs , 74% chance after 1000, 87% after 1500 and 93% after 2000 runs (probabilities calcs). Honestly, screw getting a specific item in this game, farm for the best all around loot and work with the drops you have. At a perfect 1 minute per run (with joining the game included), it takes 33 hours and 20 minutes to do 2000 runs. Not worth it at all IMO.
@@XDarkStrikerX Very interesting! Thanks for the maths I personally dont think it's worth it either.. RNG could also be cruel and for some might take more like 3000 runs to get 3 SOJ... also there is MF to take into consideration too
I haven't played D2 is years, but man this makes me nostalgic. I think in 8 yrs of playing, I found maybe 2 SOJs ever. I found 2 Windforces too. So yeah, SOJs were super hard to find.
The drop odds are 1 to 31 for SoJ when NM Andy drops a unique ring, so identifying the 3rd SoJ as ring #92 points to extremely average luck. I don't completely agree that the other items NM Andy drops are useless in hell; she does have very good odds for vipermagi, decent odds for Tal Rasha amulet, she can drop some pretty wild rare boots/circlet/gloves, and even decent rare rings. Also, on the weapon side, I think she can drop Ribcracker, which when upgraded is pretty nuts. Eth Hone Sundan can be wild as well. String of ears is another commonly used end game item which she drops "all the time". However, even if you can deck out a character pretty well from doing these runs, you'll have problems finding the real good stuff. You can quest bug any act boss when on battle.net - the catch is that you have to get "stuck" in your quest progress on that boss, and only run it in games where that quest is completed. I used to make a cold sorc to run hell Meph in baalruns.
According to the automatic captions, you found a lot of different rings, namely: annulled, man old, an auld, Renauld, nolde, an old heal ring, medalled, nigel, angel, Rene Joel, nasal, and 3 missile J. I particularly liked the 5% man is stolen pitman old at 9:21. "and aerial" has been generous to you.
Lmao perfect
This earned a gray belly laugh 😆
NICEE!! Now you got to do 100 unique rings Andy runs on HELL MODE ;), just to see the real ods compared ;) !!
@@Vanessarbp SURE!!! do it plz dbrunski ;)
LOLLL
Haven't played D2 in quite some years, but I recall that both Manald and Nagel have a rarity of 15 and SoJ has a rarity of 1, so each unique ring from NM Andy should have a 1/31 chance of being a SoJ. You're right on the curve, not above, not below :P Quite a nice experiment!
I imagine Deckard Cain is like "why is he not asking me for help to identify those rings?"
lol
I've imagined that many times too. Sometimes I go stand next to Cain with all these unique unidentified items and drop them next to him. Just to pretend he's getting tortured. Then the game crashes and I lose them all.
Thumbs up if you read this in a Deckard Cain voice too.
he will imagine. where did this guy get so many rings from. maybe he robbed some monasteries or huts.
Deckard keeps a 22% Nagelring on him in case you bring him a ring that he identifies as a Stone of Jordan he will give you that instead 🙄
My friend and I used to farm so much id start to dream about finding uniques that didn't exist and why wasn't it in my inventory when I woke up.
One week I played Borderlands for so many hours. I started seeing floating numbers when I closed my eyes to sleep 😅
im a new player and ive been consistently dreaming about dropping a Ber/Jah rune for the last week. A couple of times, I would jump up from my bed and check my characters inventory and be sad that it wasn't there LMFAO
That comment touched me in the feels.
Excellent demonstration of the power of a larger samplesize. Stone of jordan would appear on 1 : 31 rings dropped from andariel nightmare, something that would result in 3 : 93, of wich you got. And the same for 30% nagelrings. they are 15 : 31 turns out to be a nagel, so out of 100 it would be around 47 nagelrings, and 1 : 16 of those will be 30, wich is 3 : 48, wich is also what you ended up with. You hit the exact average in this demonstration, not lucky, not unlucky. Nice video
Good demonstration on how rare it is even from nightmare Andariel. Some people talk about farming her with the tone of "just go and get it, man" but it can really take a while.
Well. Assuming he put the oldest rings from the start of the project on top and then went down, he had an soj in the first 20 rings. Thats a couple hundred runs maybe, and a good fire sorc with a decent map can pump that out pretty quick.
Yes, but then look how long he got nothing after the third one.
@@wroogny couple of hundred runs where each run you dont get it you get nothing, nothing of value. Maybe it is the technical fastest way to specifically get sojs and only sojs but this is a good case scenario, bad case it will be your 50th unique ring after a thousand runs and you will have nothing else to show for it. Only a sadist would do this.
it's the thingie with chance. I gambled it and it only took a few times. Tried to do that again - possibly not 2205 times, but it never happened again xD
EVERYTHING high level in D2 takes a long ass time unless you're insanely lucky.
You asked was it worth?
and said "I dont think so"
Well bro I felt love in this video
It was trully worth.
Rafi ki it’s pronounced nayghel not najel
@@solarmaru49 Nagel means Nail in german lol xD
I’m farming nm Andariel today for hours and only got one unic ring, a manald. LoL! I was feeling bad but after watching this video I got my strengths renewed! Thx!! 😂
lol, ppl play many yers and dont saw SOJ u tell about 4 hours ^))))) go for it ! dont give up !!!! :)
I'm a little bit late to the party, but i look at it from the standpoint of trading. Even if i find less SoJ in Hell Andarial, i still find overall more expensive stuff that i can trade for an SoJ. That's why i never farm anything at Nightmare.
Yep, you always want to farm the hardest content you can handle without it slowing you down.
NM mephisto is pretty good early on at the start of ladder when you are trying to gear up to farm hell. He can drop all the good lvl 42 items like hoz, titans, occy, war travs etc. Most of which are quite valuable early on.
But I agree, once you are geared up and can handle farming hell there's no reason to farm anything in nm.
single player cant trade lol
I have never made that much of runs, but back then I had a necro, who easily got 2 soj (one from Andy and another one from a cow level). I doubt I made 100 runs in both directions. Now I am playing resurrected and finally understand HOW lucky I were.
I just got an SOJ from cows in ressurected, i never had one before although i farmed Andariel like no tommorow... for 10 plus years.
@@GamersOdyssey So happy for you, man! Yeah, I did already like 1000 runs, i guess, no SoJ yet. I guess that Necro of mine was really lucky)
Got a shitty Mara from cows chest though! The only one GG-item so far
Dbrunski about to be out here like Oprah at her talk show, "and you get a nagel, and you get a manald, and you get a nagel"
I remembered the good old days of D2 on Bnet, where nagel > manald > SoJ spawns in order. So we would farm characters full of gold and buy rings off the merchant on a mule while carrying nagel + manald. Next unique ring that spawns off the merchant would be a guaranteed SoJ. :)
Why do people make up shit that doesn’t make any sense to people who actually know how the game works?
@@Purriah i bought it for a second, but then i though'' does increased finding magic items include merchants?
@@Purriah it's true though. They were considered unique so if you had Nagel and Manald on your character and you gambled another ring, the next unique would be a SoJ. Don't know when it was changed.
@@Purriah Its true whether you believe it or not. Don't accuse others of making shit up if you don't know.
Fun fact: Nagel is pronounced as Na'g'hel, in old european languages referring to "Nail Ring".
You can see in German and Dutch both retaining old germanic spoken language still using Nagel to this day.
Since this a gothic themed game i'm almost 1000% sure this was their aim a "Nail ring" not a Neigel ring.
same in scandi languages, it's been a pet peeve of mine having to listen to dbrunski say naygel
You're not wrong, but at the same time, why should an English native speaker bother changing his or her pronunciation just to be historically or linguistically accurate? Like, who the fuck gives a shit?
@@Hooga89 why be wrong when u can be right?
@@Hooga89 Because pronouncing things correctly makes the world less retarded.
@@Hooga89 because thats how the word is pronounced, same reason a native english speaker should pronounce english words properly.
Sure... SoJ's have less odds in Hell difficulty, but it also feels really nice to find that 5% LL BK ring too that Hell tends to offer. I seem to find them just as often as SoJ's. I always told people to only farm Nightmare if their character struggles to farm Hell, or you feel your clear speed isn't fast enough yet to justify the difficulty increase.
I have found one Stone of Jordan. Still one of the best feelings I've had in my life. The very rare and valuable drops in this game are so amazing you remember them for years.
Exactly. Weird that a game can have that impact on you. I find my one and only SOJ in a NM Baal run.
i found some ring in the second week of D3 that sold for $260
Only found like 3 in 20 years
just wanted to try my luck - took me 2 kills to get my 1st unique ring drop from andy and it was SOJ :D the luck feels unreal :O
thanks for the hint that Andariel on Nightmare is a good source for SoJs!
I got my first SoJ along with a 72 / 30 Nailring out of 10 unique rings. And now I have a lifetime supply of Cathan's Seal :D
I wonder how many skin of the vipermagi he found during these
I've been playing D2 since long before RUclips existed, and I have ever found 1 - one - SOJ.
Been playing since classic 1.03, have only found 5 in that time. There are some items I've never seen drop such as Tyraels, Mangs Song Lesson, Cranium Basher and Asterons.
Its all rng guys :) you could do 4 kills and get 3 rings and the other person will do 2000 to get 4
Try playing old school runescape youll see how bad rng suck
I’ve played for years! YEARS! And I just recently started playing again and I’ve only found 2 and one was yesterday..side note in 2021 the soj isn’t worth anything more. People literally give them away.
@@codyrisling3253 back on early versions before the expansion, sojs were prime currency, I'm sure you remember. P skulls had crazy value back then too.
I played Classic D2 ladder on closed BNet for a number of years, farmed Andy and Meph mercilessly, ID'd dozens of 30 MF Nagels, and I don't think I dropped more than 1 SOJ from her in all that time. In all those thousands of hours of play the only SOJs I ever got were, one from Hell or NM cows, and all others were just traded for. Imo this project was a bit duplicitous, 3/100 would've been a dream drop-rate in my experience, nevermind that you only got 3 perfect Nagels with it. I should've had dozens of SOJs at that rate!
There was a bit of myth in the classic community about how best to farm SOJs, the most prevalent one being to MF NM Andy with 250-350 MF and you were "guaranteed" one every 50-100 runs, but I think both of our experiences thoroughly dispute that, and mine even more heavily than yours. Grats on your SOJs though, I'm still waiting to find ONE in PlugY single-player. Rough times out here in Diablo 2 land
Rng is rng. You can't expect the odds to act the same every time. Even 2205 runs is a very small sample in the grand scheme of things. Millions of samples would have to be collected to produce accurate results.
@@finalcam1740 Oh of course, that's why I feel like it was almost unfairly disproportionate. 3:3 is a really weird ratio of IDs for SOJs to PNagels and definitely exemplifies the nature of sample size. I feel like I'd ID'd hundreds of unique rings on a monthly basis and it was always so disheartening. PNagel eventually became Charsifood, I was tired of muling them I got that many. But those damn SOJs... it just made me wonder where everybody who I was trading with was getting theirs, or if I was somehow cosmically influenced to experience everyone else's bad RNG while they were getting paydays.
As an aside, I also found no more than a half dozen Silks, Gulls, or Goldskins (those few items being somewhat commodified in classic ladder, not immensely so but enough to still give them value in bartering) in all my years and also only acquired through trading. I really felt like my odds were cursed, and on Closed BNet it was especially a thorn in your side because you could only make about 20 games/hr before Realm Down which really make it sting all the more bitterly: you MF as much as you can, as much as you're ALLOWED, but even meeting the quota is never enough!
imma be farming SOJ like bit coin in D2 resurrected
Honestly these vids make me scared to go back to D2
D2 is from a different time. Less content was made up for by a higher grind factor, and we loved it. It's tough in modern times after being used to other games but yeah D2 is even worse than PoE in terms of getting GG endgame gear solo self found.
I feel you bro
I decided not to play it. I played it a lot, farmed it a lot, enjoyed it a lot, but time have passed. There are a lot of better and more enjoyable games out there. Even with the updated graphics I don't want to struggle with it again. There is nothing new in it what I haven't done a decade ago.
@@RealBoci name me those games pls
@@Hippiaszful If I have to name those games, you are clearly not well informed about games on the market. D2 was one of the best of its time, but not anymore.
Human bot project are my favourite videos. Thanks!
But it wasnt human bot runs ;)
Nice to see that there are so many of you out there, hardcore d2 enthusiasts... I have aswell been playing the game for over a decade, since 2005 approx, and I never thought that there are any crazy ass d2 fans that finished the game hundreds of times and done shit like this... Now I see that I am not the only one...
i always get fooled by manald the stats looks similar to soj before you read it :))
5 SoJs in 2 years. I remember when we used to use those as currency.
Yeah, thats why a lot of people will be shocked on, how hard it is to geht some of the higher runes, without Dupes/Bots. But i guess in D2R there will be Bots too :/
@@StefanSentroshiReechani Im hoping the grinding is reworked. While I dont want it to be D3 easy. With a constant ladder reset every few months will make getting great builds near impossible on ladder.
@@Clear706 how do you know it's every few months? d2 ladder is once every 6 months i'm pretty sure. And trading makes great builds not very hard to make, unless you go for like perfect items or something.
Turns out target farming manald heal is really affective. You end up with 70 SOJs.
After spending endless hours doing LK runs, sometimes enduring 1000+ run dry spells... NM Andy is a pleasure to run. I started playing when SOJs were still currency on BNET so they always have this special place in my heart. I don't mind spending an afternoon targeting them in NM. Your sorc is invincible in NM, the runs can be close to 15 seconds each with the right map, so youre virtually guaranteed one or two a day if you don't mind the monotony.
Remembering back in the days you had to wear Nagel and a Manald and you could gamble a SoJ by spending +- 1M gold!! That was so genius!!
Explain
2x matching sojs in a skin that isnt orange or wings is a win in my book!
Coral was always my fav skin haha
orange is king
2205 runs...omg! 10 runs would make me get tired of doing it all over again
"10% through, we have nothing"
That 220 runs btw. 220, nada. Jesus.
I'm buying a new computer this week I'm gonna get back into this game. I played D2 for like 14 years on and off and it's one my favorite games of all time. I haven't played in like 5 years and I'm really wanting to lol.
I wana get back to it too. I used to love pvp on there.
LLD ftw
When you get around to installing it on windows 10 a blue box is going to appear and say it cant run, theres a small dropdown menu in that popup that will let you continue anyways
Happy gaming
@@orionfire1947 TY
I recently did this. A week or so back in and it’s great!
The fact you got 3 was actually really amazing for it being 1/52 unique rings from nm Andy.
It's actually 1/31 (15 manald, 15 nagel, and 1 soj)
3 soj !!! definitely worth it! i have found only 2 in the past ten years.
I did andy bug and managed to farm 2 in 2 hours on players 8 with 700 mf. Every run took 30sec
3 sojs! Giggle, giggle, giggle! (c) Count von Count, Sesame Street.
He literally said it wasn't worth it and you can't justify farming 100 rings on NM Andy above Hell Andy
That's some crazy luck though. Even 3 in 100 unique rings is pretty good luck. What are the actual odds?
who the hell reads comments before watching the video... most comments won't even make sense if you don't watch.
Back in the day we used to gamble our gold away for SOJs I remember getting a few back then.But even the odds doing that seemed to be a lot higher then these odds.
Ya i remember gambling for SOJ's back in the day too. Gold was pretty much worthless so......gambling it was.
Way way back in pre expac D2 there was a time where the game would drop the unique rings in order, based on what was in your inventory. So you'd carry a manald and nagel and gamble away, because if it came out unique it was a guaranteed SOJ
Gotta love that stash full of Manalds. 😂
To be fair, there are probably some Nagels in there as well!
Never found a single SOJ in all the years I have played, the game is nuts.
Found one off a hell carver once.
Nm and hell andy is where u found all mine
Diablo 2: Usually takes minimum 1 yr to find Soj sometimes years.
Diablo 4: Given a Soj in first 5 minutes of the beta.
This at its core is everything I hate about D3 and D4.
U hate d4 and it not close to being done?
wait... 1 year to find soj? really
I have 2 days doing nightmare andariel runs... only 363 days left
@MunsonRoyE27 how you play D4 when it won’t even be out this year and it’s only January ?
Judging by what I’ve seen in beta it looks like hot garbage imo. Now I know why so many people thought a D2 remaster was coming bc they blatantly released a copy pasted beta version of D2 with the itemization of D3 with upgraded graphics. If the loot/Itemization doesn’t receive a massive overhaul I for one will be sticking with Diablo 2 for another foreseeable 7-10 years.
Our data showed after post Uber event the drop rate overall for SOJ’s went way down. We used to get them all the time before it.
it’s fun seeing these runs again.
We have some really good data on Pindle (we have all champs and bosses but Pindle is my fav) as well (24hr runs @17~19sec kill speeds).
14secs, remember doing 4 per min
I started giggling at 50 rings in
The saddest times were d2. I had a group of buddies that would play all the time. We did this stuff, grind for days only to have botters and dupers lap us.
I think this about every video he has. Like most people, I got lost in the game and spent so much time on it. Then slowly the botting and duping just destroyed the game. Blizzard tried their best, but it was so early into anti-hacking in games they were always behind. Eventually all of us reached a point where we realized the game was just too far gone from what it was
@@jshshh1041 do you think botting and duping will be a big problem in D2R?
@@DouglasCarter69 Depends on how And what Blizzard can do about it since the engine is the same
The Servers are new though and maybe they can implement a hackshield or something to get rid of bots and dupes
@@user-ik2zr1cx1u It's pretty amazing they've been running this same basic engine for what - 20+ years now? Wonder how many other games can claim that. Hell, they even recycle the musical score. We are not a fickle fanbase. LOL!
I wonder what your reactions would be if you went from top to bottom. You would get 3 SoJ in the first half, then nothing in the rest.
I thought the same. I bet it would have beeb nore depressing hahah
Thought the same thing! He actually would’ve had incredible drops from. 50-100 were sojs.
I always remember the day i got 2 Sojs from the Summoner in Act2 in consecutive runs. Best day of my life..
Wow
@@MarcusRoy yeah just crazy
I remember I got a soj off her after 3 runs 🤣
That just means your next 1000 will be barren
Used to play D2 when I was a teenager and never got one in the 2-3 years of playing. Recently started again on Plugy and was questing my way through the flyer jungle and a random bird dropped a unique ring, identified it and was my first ever SOJ! Made my day!
What's plugy
@@huntbones3363 it's a mod that allows you to do some stuff that your normally can't in single player. For example you can do ladder only runewords, there is an infinite stash (much like using a mule on battlenet) and you can kill the cow king and still go back into the cow level. Among other things. Makes the game more enjoyable as a single player game.
@@garywhite189 ohh ok right man see u in d2r
@@huntbones3363 that you will my friend!
Pretty good result! I've found 2 soj rings on current ladder - one from meph and another from council member :)
You trying to say you have done more that 2500 andarial runs this ladder season?
@@xMrJanuaryx No, I'm just saying that I've found 2 soj. No nightmare andy for me :)
@@xMrJanuaryx open your eyes and read what he said, smh.
3 SoJ in 2205 is about 750 per 1. That's not bad at all.I never knew it was so easy to farm SoJs.. You gotta remember that NM is so easy compared to Hell. Resist are much easier on NM so you can pack more magic find. Dbrunski I think you're out of touch with the common player who doesn't have uber characters with Infinities and Enigmas. It's quite easy to kill NM Andy for almost anyone and on average you can get 1 SoJ for 750 runs? That's not bad. I'm going to do some NM Andy runs later today after seeing this video. I only have 1 SoJ in my entire stash.
You got my respect, man! I have a pain in my hand now because of playing diablo 2.
Indeed, the Human Bot. GG, Cooley, yourself and Llama are the D2 kings. Subscribed.
It's like opening 100 packs of yu-gi-oh cards! SHOW ME THE SECRET RARES
Diablo 2 was arguably one of the best Blizzard games in the Diablo series of games ever made. I personally enjoyed it a lot more than Diablo 3 and it's expansions.
I found 3 sojs online manually in my life, i do remember them all because they are kind of rare for sure. One was from NM trist helping a friend, 2nd was from hell soul while clearing a baal throne and the last one was from hell diablo directly. Its one of those items that when you id it you're like hell yeah
Inspired of this video and on my 3rd Andy run today i got my first soj. So, thank you so much DB!
Mephisto has a special place for you in his domain
That would be one loreweave on Poe with rings to spare for the next one 😁
thanks for this awesome and informative video! thanks for the hard work. I was just thinking of farming Andariel on NM myself, but now thanks to your video, I know better now ;)
Looks like you didnt have enough Hortons before starting this one, hence the lack of SoJ :P
Tim hortons? 😆
I've played D2 hundreds and hundreds of hours, LOADS of it on MF sorcs.... Of All the unique rings I've ever found, only 1 was a SOJ. Tons of nagel, manald, and quite a few dwarf stars, a few raven frost, and one nature's peace.
Never found a bul-kathos.
And the SOJ was just from a regular mob outside nightmare act 5, clearing things for exp on my way to shenk.
Click baited. It was actually 98 nm Andariel rings. Great video DB. Thanks for all your hard work
LOL
About a year ago during a session of random farming I found two SoJs and a Mara's within the same 30 minutes.
I've quit since then because I kind of feel like I won the game. That's it. Never going to get that kind of luck again. Time to pack it in and retire.
Facts brother!!! I would of went and played the lotto right after lol
You are an inspiration, this level of dedication made me maybe start playing this game. Congrats!
I've playing D2 on and off for almost 2 decades, never got an SoJ.
My friend played since the launch of D2R, he got an SoJ within a month.
that's rng my friend, when l played single player pluggy I got a ton of runes 1 zod 2 ohm 2 ber 2 vex etc etc, now on D2R none
NICEE!! Now you got to do 100 unique rings Andy runs on HELL MODE ;), just to see the real ods compared ;) !! !
Well, there is a old tip if you want SoJ, do tranvical runs till the council drops a set amulet. Pick it but do not indentify it, don't pick anything from the ground and start killing monsters, hit chests and barb find item - for this is good for sure - anything that can drop SoJ (iLvl 39). If you found a unique ring in this game, this is always be a SoJ (only the first one because when you pick anything it resets and only works on set amy from high council).
Dang dude, looks like you beat the odds pretty hard. At 775 MF (a conservative estimate based on what I believe your gear is just by looking at it), Andariel's SOJ drop odds are still 1:1321.
Hey, Dbrunski!) thx for this video. It inspired me to collect 100 uniq rings from hell’s Andy! I’ve 39 pcs left.
I found my sojs off andy during Blizzcons, the hype makes em drop faster!
Hahahahahaha
Hell yeah man. Definitely worth it. Back in the day I collected 48 Nightmare Andy unique rings, that's what the stash allowed, I don't use mods. I got 2 SoJ's. Last year I decided to do it again, 48 more, not easy, takes time but then again 2 more SoJ's. So satisfying to find that ring. You gotta go Nightmare for sure.
Nice.
One question. Which app do you use for counting the runs?
Thanks for all.
I personally prefer NM Andy runs for a couple of reasons. The first being slightly better odds, of course. Second being, they can be done earlier on with a much weaker sorc, at about the same pace. I also like certain items that she can drop. It is a good place to find SotVM, to help lower characters build up, etc. Otherwise, I like NM Mephisto for rings, he drops a high rate of dwarf stars and ravenfrosts. Also I think he is the best place to find those exceptional class specific uniques like titans, hoz, etc.
Bingo! I am playing some D2R now and it is all about the NM Countess and Mephistopheles runs
Your background footage is hell andy..
Thanks for all the vids bud. Keep up the good work.
Thnx dude, needed a new drinking game ^^
No wonder why I havent found a single SOJ so far and now it make sense why they were the most common used currency back in 1.09
I also did a lot of these runs with 730%MF to 870%MF until I had 3 SoJ (I never found it before) : the 1st was the #48, the 2nd #114 and the 3rd #128. I also found 2 Tal Rashas's amulets but no Telling of Beads Amulet (both have ~1 to 1940 to drop) and 1 Immortal King's Will (~1 to 300) with 40%MF.
I called it. 3 SoJs. I always had way better luck with hell Meph for sojs. Diablo for BK. Meph/Meph's council for Mara's
imagine farming for Mara's... you gotta be insane
It's funny how rng works. I farmed Hell andariel just for fun, nothing particular. First run an SOJ. I was very happy. Did a couple more runs and later watched a movie. The same day, found another SOJ after 8 runs.
NICEE!! Now you got to do 100 unique rings Andy runs on HELL MODE ;), just to see the real ods compared ;)
Dude it already is in hell mode. If you watch the video he's running in hell difficulty. Until it reads nightmare I call bs
@@ttvijimcarried8916 He's definetly not in hell, since he would id other rings than Manald and Nagel. The background video is indeed in hell, but that's just a filler.
A sample size of 2205 isn't really that large for statistical comparisons.
Do you do these manually, or are you botting them then streaming later?
If manual, just out of curiosity - how is this enjoyable to you?
Awesome!
Was this done on players 1?
p3 I think
I got a SOJ off her the other day in a public hell game, first run, and I needed one.
7:16 gets another Manald but says Nagel. lol
12:34 and 9:01 and 7:14 three perfect manald for Zeal Sorc with Energy Shield 😱
If i were to do this that would be one month of Andariel grinding lol
Not if you are using a bot like alot of players are doing
just tried this after not finding a single soj for 4+ years in plugy. got it on the fourth ring.
pretty good return in the end
This proves why I don’t want to farm just nm andariel. Yes it’s higher chance just for soj but it would drive me nuts seeing all the other mostly worthless rings
You’re a beast man
O man. Been playing d2 on and off for 20 years. Never have I found an soj. I’m impressed though dude... you know your stuff.
I’m on hardcore East right now getting back into the game once again. :)
I played this game for like 10 years and i have only ever found 1 SOJ.
same and it was nightmare andariel now that i think of it :)
You haven't played much in those ten years then. Or at least not efficiently. I've played for 15 years and have probably found a few100 soj rings maybe even upwards of 300.
@@SuperZakaru I guess not efficiently. That wasn't my play style. I was never an item farmer. i ran diablo and cows and when the expansion released i ran baal for levels and whatever items they dropped. other then that i dueled.
@@bryancorts5389 I found mine turning over a corpse in act two on nightmare.
your videos are very helpful, been playing this game for a long time. thank you
8:35 man, take it out of there, you'll forget where it is :D
How long did it take to do the runs approximately?
3% chance of a unique ring from nm Andy being an SoJ. Doesn't sound that bad when you say it like that.
But then again when you ask yourself what the odds of a unique ring of any type to drop and then work out the maths after that... not so much!
@@UnreliableUsername 4,5% to get an unique ring (100 for 2200 runs), then 3% chance of that ring being a soj for 0.00135% chance to get a soj per run, thats 50% to get a single one after 500 runs , 74% chance after 1000, 87% after 1500 and 93% after 2000 runs (probabilities calcs). Honestly, screw getting a specific item in this game, farm for the best all around loot and work with the drops you have. At a perfect 1 minute per run (with joining the game included), it takes 33 hours and 20 minutes to do 2000 runs. Not worth it at all IMO.
@@XDarkStrikerX Very interesting! Thanks for the maths I personally dont think it's worth it either.. RNG could also be cruel and for some might take more like 3000 runs to get 3 SOJ... also there is MF to take into consideration too
I haven't played D2 is years, but man this makes me nostalgic. I think in 8 yrs of playing, I found maybe 2 SOJs ever. I found 2 Windforces too. So yeah, SOJs were super hard to find.
I hear at 2206 you get the Ring of Eternal Virginity.
Not only 3 sojs, but 2 of them are matching! I didn't think you would find even one to be perfectly honest. It was so worth it dude...
You feel it's worth it because you're not the one who put the endless hours into nm andy farming haha
Saying the attack rating on nagel rings is a waste of time and annoying
The drop odds are 1 to 31 for SoJ when NM Andy drops a unique ring, so identifying the 3rd SoJ as ring #92 points to extremely average luck.
I don't completely agree that the other items NM Andy drops are useless in hell; she does have very good odds for vipermagi, decent odds for Tal Rasha amulet, she can drop some pretty wild rare boots/circlet/gloves, and even decent rare rings. Also, on the weapon side, I think she can drop Ribcracker, which when upgraded is pretty nuts. Eth Hone Sundan can be wild as well. String of ears is another commonly used end game item which she drops "all the time". However, even if you can deck out a character pretty well from doing these runs, you'll have problems finding the real good stuff.
You can quest bug any act boss when on battle.net - the catch is that you have to get "stuck" in your quest progress on that boss, and only run it in games where that quest is completed. I used to make a cold sorc to run hell Meph in baalruns.
why cant he pronounce nagel or manald - wow.