Awesome film. I lived in Boulder during the 7-11 era, back when I wished for nothing more than to go really fast on my bicycle. Legions of fast guys to chase, great time and place, there then.
Wow, I just stumbled into this great video. True Story... At the time I was working for the Shimano /Japan Group and I was in charge of their SHOGUN bike design program. I literally had a full-on Shogun bike display inside the bay warehouse where the racers flew by just inches from the Shogun display and the crazy spectators. Also, that was the day fell in love with my wife of 24 years. She was the secretary of Shimano's USA president at the time, as she was sent to assist me on the Shogun display. Somewhere I still have pictures of stage two where the racers were a blur across the Shogun booth. And yes, some of the Shimano family attended our wedding, and it also sparked a trend of many Shimano family members and staff also getting married.
My best year of riding was on Okinawa 99-2000 while stationed there. Team Shimano came there to train once and I jumped in line with them for a fast ride, until the road went up and they were gone. I road a Cannondale and the locals were crazy about it. Weekend group rides were fun.
Anyone would be a little ticked off finishing second when you know they can't out sprint you. I've been there. But that was all on Phinney. He could have just backed off and if Hinault didn't want to work, let the break get caught and win the bunch sprint. No one was beating him in a sprint during those times.
My dad took me to see this race as it crested the Trinity Grade climb coming out of Sonoma. This is definitely the hot, dusty NorCal I remember from my youth!
I remember watching this on TV in 1985 and now coincidently i live in the middle of the 4000 ft climb to Yuba pass where Phinney & Hinault broke away... starting in Downieville its a loong way to the top, about 24 miles continuous climbing,... then going south to Truckee after that on hiway 89 involves a few other massive climbs as well... very impressive Phinney was able to last through all that climbing with Hinault as even on a bad day Bernie could usually have left him or anyone else behind somewhere at many points along that route ... i think for Hinault this race was a recovery week from his earlier season of racing hard and winning his 5th Tour and that day following Phinney was one where he just wanted to use the opportunity to practice his sprint ?
Well Steve Bauer was still in the overall lead, so teammate Hinault had no incentive to help with the break. Plus Lemond was really who their team was riding for anyway. It was pretty ridiculous of Davis Phinney to be such a sore loser about Hinault beating him in a sprint; Hinault had beaten plenty of riders throughout his career that were a lot more worthy than Phinney.
Very cool upload, a great watch! I remember holding each other up at stoplights and holding on to the car next to you because it was a pain unscrewing your clips. A team member new a rep for 7-ELEVEN and I got one of Inga Thompsons old frames, I still have it.
Nice--wasn't the team riding ROSSIN frames before Ben Serotta made a name for himself by building frames for 7-eleven??? Love the Rossin, Serotta (rebadged Huffy, Murray), Merckx storyline. Any differences between the frames?
Possibly the peak of American cycling. Things were never quite like this again after the Coors went away. Even with the Amgen Tour or the USAPC, the American scene has been in a slow steady decline ever since. And the Lance bump was temporary and completely mishandled by USACycling.
Funny yet ridiculous comment about "dishonorable" for Hinault not pulling in breakaway then winning sprint against Phinney -- that's called smart tactical racing and look who won the stage!
I remember when Hinault showed I was so excited to see him race. I didn't understand racing and recovery yet, so I thought he was going to take it seriously. While in the middle of the race there was an article in a Denver newspaper where they interviewed Hinault. He was talking about how he viewed his time during the race as a vacation. There was a picture of him hiking with his wife and kids in the mountains of Colorado where I lived. My education began.
@FITNESSOVER45 Maybe he figured that Lemond had moved to France permanently. Television people don't always pay attention to details. He probably had a home or apartment in Europe like American racers do now. However, if I remember correctly, Lemond always had a home in California or Minnesota during his racing years.
Thanks so much for uploading this! NBC could learn a lot about how to present cycling to an American audience by watching their own archival footage! As for me, it was great to see some of my heroes from before they were household names. I'll definitely be imagining this race next time I climb to Virginia City from Carson.
The commenting is so droll. I believe some of it was added later. it was edited in later. I saw the 7-11 team about that time when they were in Minneapolis. Lemond eventually lived in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area for a while.
Lemond live in the Minneapolis western suburbs for almost 30 years and raised his family there before moving to Tennessee a few years ago to be close to his Carbon Fiber factory..
A couple of qs: 1st, is David Phinney Taylor's father? 2nd, I wonder why Pro cycling authorities in USA hasn't so far made any project about a "Tour of USA" or a "coast to coast" race...? We all know about the Tour of California, but it still seems too little thing!
Tour of Utah and Tour of California got shut down because pro cycling isn't as big in the US as it is in Europe. There will never be another pro cycling tour in the US.
If memory serves, some millionaire corporate type unveiled plans for a Tour of America about fifteen years ago. (I remember reading about it in CycleSport while in grad school, which would have been 2004-09.) The plan was considered ridiculous at the time, and probably rightly. I preferred the Coors' approach of targeting specific regions instead of traversing the continent. The best version was in '87, when they had stages in Hawaii, then stages in California, and then the usual finale in Colorado.
I think too many people just don't understand it here in the USA for a grand tour thing to go over well. I've volunteered to help direct the course/keep traffic out at a couple different races in Michigan and so many drivers were just astounded and annoyed at the fact that the streets were closed off. Because driving to the gas station for Doritos and cigarettes is way more important than a cycling race. Even on weekends, in neighborhoods where literally nobody works on the weekend. Americans just suck. Who knows why.
Back before Hinault and the team director Kochli turned on him in '86. If you haven't seen it, check out Slaying the Badger and listen to Kochli's nonsense about the tactics. It's utterly pathetic.
The '85 Tour tactics made perfect sense: send Lemond up the road to mark Roche and see if Hinault could get back on terms after his crash. That way you're keeping all your cards in play, and forcing Roche to suffer. But there should have been better communication in '86. In any case, Hinault's alibi was borne out: he blew up the race, forced Herrera and Zimmerman and Millar to chase, and set the race up for Lemond.
Awesome film. I lived in Boulder during the 7-11 era, back when I wished for nothing more than to go really fast on my bicycle. Legions of fast guys to chase, great time and place, there then.
Wow, I just stumbled into this great video. True Story... At the time I was working for the Shimano /Japan Group and I was in charge of their SHOGUN bike design program. I literally had a full-on Shogun bike display inside the bay warehouse where the racers flew by just inches from the Shogun display and the crazy spectators. Also, that was the day fell in love with my wife of 24 years. She was the secretary of Shimano's USA president at the time, as she was sent to assist me on the Shogun display. Somewhere I still have pictures of stage two where the racers were a blur across the Shogun booth. And yes, some of the Shimano family attended our wedding, and it also sparked a trend of many Shimano family members and staff also getting married.
Shogun + love , always the way 🙂
WOW--so you witnessed when Shimano perfected the DT index shifting right when the peloton was still using friction!
My best year of riding was on Okinawa 99-2000 while stationed there. Team Shimano came there to train once and I jumped in line with them for a fast ride, until the road went up and they were gone. I road a Cannondale and the locals were crazy about it. Weekend group rides were fun.
Its really sad that this classic went into its demise...it could truly be a great cycling saga like the Tour de France....America's version.
no it can't
@@JB-uv4hm It's not a joke. It just can't compete with the team sports NFL, NBA and MLB. But yes, it's not treated like those sports.
18:19 thanks for immortalizing what a tool Phinney was.
@13:07 and such a team player! This guy's legacy's well-deserved.
18:33 best answer 😂... because I'm not stupid.
I've always been a Davis fan, but watching these Coors races over the years, he sure had some classic hissy fits
Jesus Christ Davis….the guy had only won 10 grand tours
Anyone would be a little ticked off finishing second when you know they can't out sprint you. I've been there. But that was all on Phinney. He could have just backed off and if Hinault didn't want to work, let the break get caught and win the bunch sprint. No one was beating him in a sprint during those times.
My dad took me to see this race as it crested the Trinity Grade climb coming out of Sonoma. This is definitely the hot, dusty NorCal I remember from my youth!
I remember watching this on TV in 1985 and now coincidently i live in the middle of the 4000 ft climb to Yuba pass where Phinney & Hinault broke away... starting in Downieville its a loong way to the top, about 24 miles continuous climbing,... then going south to Truckee after that on hiway 89 involves a few other massive climbs as well... very impressive Phinney was able to last through all that climbing with Hinault as even on a bad day Bernie could usually have left him or anyone else behind somewhere at many points along that route ... i think for Hinault this race was a recovery week from his earlier season of racing hard and winning his 5th Tour and that day following Phinney was one where he just wanted to use the opportunity to practice his sprint ?
Hinault had actually done the Giro-Tour double that year, so he was definitely running on fumes.
Well Steve Bauer was still in the overall lead, so teammate Hinault had no incentive to help with the break. Plus Lemond was really who their team was riding for anyway. It was pretty ridiculous of Davis Phinney to be such a sore loser about Hinault beating him in a sprint; Hinault had beaten plenty of riders throughout his career that were a lot more worthy than Phinney.
Very cool upload, a great watch! I remember holding each other up at stoplights and holding on to the car next to you because it was a pain unscrewing your clips. A team member new a rep for 7-ELEVEN and I got one of Inga Thompsons old frames, I still have it.
Nice--wasn't the team riding ROSSIN frames before Ben Serotta made a name for himself by building frames for 7-eleven??? Love the Rossin, Serotta (rebadged Huffy, Murray), Merckx storyline. Any differences between the frames?
Yep,what I always look forward to when I'm bicycle racing,some good old accordion playing 😭😭😭
Possibly the peak of American cycling. Things were never quite like this again after the Coors went away. Even with the Amgen Tour or the USAPC, the American scene has been in a slow steady decline ever since. And the Lance bump was temporary and completely mishandled by USACycling.
Damn impressive! Thanks for posting.
Funny yet ridiculous comment about "dishonorable" for Hinault not pulling in breakaway then winning sprint against Phinney -- that's called smart tactical racing and look who won the stage!
DP was a tool.
I agree 👍
Gotta love Hinault's answer: "Because I'm not stupid."
I remember when Hinault showed I was so excited to see him race. I didn't understand racing and recovery yet, so I thought he was going to take it seriously. While in the middle of the race there was an article in a Denver newspaper where they interviewed Hinault. He was talking about how he viewed his time during the race as a vacation. There was a picture of him hiking with his wife and kids in the mountains of Colorado where I lived. My education began.
@FITNESSOVER45 Maybe he figured that Lemond had moved to France permanently. Television people don't always pay attention to details. He probably had a home or apartment in Europe like American racers do now. However, if I remember correctly, Lemond always had a home in California or Minnesota during his racing years.
He was probably having fun and just training for the TDF and helping Lemond win in his own country as Lemond would do for him in France.
I remember those days when I usually came down to Davis Finney and Steve Bauer two great sprinters
American Flyers !
Thanks for that. Awesome video.
Thanks so much for uploading this! NBC could learn a lot about how to present cycling to an American audience by watching their own archival footage!
As for me, it was great to see some of my heroes from before they were household names. I'll definitely be imagining this race next time I climb to Virginia City from Carson.
Thanks for posting!!
Sure would like to see 1986.
Andy did amazing... and would later win the Giro
Yes! And in a mountain snow storm!
And because how he won he's more famous in Italy than in his own country.
Jackson Browne at the end..precious, a gem that perfectly blends into the magic of a long gone wonderful and fresh period
Funny all great names in cycling history, I'll never forget the "Columbian's " back when you know they didn't have names!
San Francisco !
No Poop !
No Needles!
Just Cyclist's !!
Mo Siegel saying " I really don't want the Soviet's to Win this Race!"
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The commenting is so droll. I believe some of it was added later. it was edited in later. I saw the 7-11 team about that time when they were in Minneapolis. Lemond eventually lived in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area for a while.
Lemond live in the Minneapolis western suburbs for almost 30 years and raised his family there before moving to Tennessee a few years ago to be close to his Carbon Fiber factory..
A couple of qs: 1st, is David Phinney Taylor's father? 2nd, I wonder why Pro cycling authorities in USA hasn't so far made any project about a "Tour of USA" or a "coast to coast" race...? We all know about the Tour of California, but it still seems too little thing!
Yes he is. Connie Carpenter is Taylor’s mom.
Davis Phinney and his Coors Light teammates called him Cash Register.
Tour of Utah and Tour of California got shut down because pro cycling isn't as big in the US as it is in Europe. There will never be another pro cycling tour in the US.
If memory serves, some millionaire corporate type unveiled plans for a Tour of America about fifteen years ago. (I remember reading about it in CycleSport while in grad school, which would have been 2004-09.) The plan was considered ridiculous at the time, and probably rightly. I preferred the Coors' approach of targeting specific regions instead of traversing the continent. The best version was in '87, when they had stages in Hawaii, then stages in California, and then the usual finale in Colorado.
I think too many people just don't understand it here in the USA for a grand tour thing to go over well. I've volunteered to help direct the course/keep traffic out at a couple different races in Michigan and so many drivers were just astounded and annoyed at the fact that the streets were closed off. Because driving to the gas station for Doritos and cigarettes is way more important than a cycling race. Even on weekends, in neighborhoods where literally nobody works on the weekend. Americans just suck. Who knows why.
15:48 LOL that's messed up XD
I had almost forgotten how bad music was back then.
46:38 .. woah
Back before Hinault and the team director Kochli turned on him in '86. If you haven't seen it, check out Slaying the Badger and listen to Kochli's nonsense about the tactics. It's utterly pathetic.
The '85 Tour tactics made perfect sense: send Lemond up the road to mark Roche and see if Hinault could get back on terms after his crash. That way you're keeping all your cards in play, and forcing Roche to suffer. But there should have been better communication in '86. In any case, Hinault's alibi was borne out: he blew up the race, forced Herrera and Zimmerman and Millar to chase, and set the race up for Lemond.
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geez...those announcers didn't give greg the respect they should have....they make it sound like hinault was the reason greg won and that is that
The commentary is atrocious throughout. Great footage though.
@@mytyrel420 ya,,,alexisand connie should have kept their mouths shut