I was on the last flight to leave from Honolulu on 20 December 2020, and during takeoff and climb Kilauea volcano on the big island erupted violently. I didn't know it at the time but the crew was extremely worried and on edge, I saw an orange glow out of the window but thought it was just light from the engines in weird fog. It wasn't until we landed that the crew showed how frazzled and relieved they were. The plane was too far into the takeoff to abandon or return to Honolulu, and no other planes were able to leave after us. We got pretty lucky
@mipmipmipmipmipObviously not, especially since this person’s plane didn’t come near an ounce of ash. If a lot of ash got ingested, the primary cost would be replacing the engines. Some flight surfaces would require replacement/repair and it’d need a new paint.
And it’s obviously not true that they couldn’t have returned to Honolulu or another Hawaiian airport. Ash doesn’t spread faster than the wind. All they would have needed to do was to dump fuel. Also, the pilots’ worry would have been from ignorance since they clearly wouldn’t have been flying through the ash stream.
What makes your comment even more ridiculous is that Honolulu is 220 miles from Mount Kilauea. So, I guess it’s true that people tell absurd stories for no good reason on YT.
Nice to hear stories of survival every now and again. I'd rather hear more of these and how disaster was averted. The cockpit recording still had me on edge!
@@liukang3545 I agree with him, he means it's more interesting as a story as opposed to the survival heroic story which you would expect from all stories.
Love hearing the actual radio communications on these videos! It gives the videos a bit more life and a feeling of what the state of mind of the pilots were...
Amazing video. These real life radio transmissions really pull you right into the story. Kudos to the pilots of KLM for not giving up and making it back safely!
Considering Speedbird 9 (British Airways Flight 009) was in 1982, I’m very surprised this incident happened at all, but I’m very happy they got onto land safely and everyone lived! Really glad there’s so much information available to pilots now to avoid flying into ash clouds!
It wasn't just BA9, a few weeks after that flight, a Singapore Airlines 747 flying in the same area also had the same issue after the same volcano erupted again. They landed in Jakarta with just one engine and similar damage. Not sure why KLM 867 wasn't diverted from the area right before the eruption.
Like many others who have commented, this story has managed somehow to slip under the radar ( or … stay in the ash cloud) . Thanks yet again for the splendid research and resulting video.
Was unaware of this incident. Amazed that the switch from generators to batteries and back wasn't instantaneous in a glass cockpit aircraft, especially so in one as large as the B747-400. Another terrific video, thank you.
I'd never heard of this incident, so it was a fascinating watch - thanks for bringing it to us and telling this story so well. Also, from a production perspective, it was a great move to put the real ATC transmissions as the opener. That cold open set up the story brilliantly.
My brother was in Alaska when Mt McKinley blew (iirc). He has some jars of the ashes. He said it fell like snow. People would go outside to go to work, start their cars, only to watch them sputter out in seconds and be useless until it was cleaned out and the air filter replaced. Ash is crazy that way. It looks like snow, but it's superfine and will coat every surface and starve an engine super fast.
@@willowravenmusic thanks for clarifying. I'm currently guessing it must have been St. Helen's. Maybe he was either staying near McKinley or had been stationed near there and I conflated them names in my head. Edit: Nope, I forgot, Helen's was way too long ago, and I think that's why I rejected it for McKinley, not realizing McKinley wasn't a volcano. Looking at some eruption data, it was either Kasatochi, but more likely Mount Spurr.
@@niallwalsh6598 yeah, exactly that. Just instantly packed the air boxes with fine powder that would pack in tight enough to look like cement in there at first.
That poor F/O sounded terrified, I'd have pissed myself probably, if captain was starting engines that means she was doing the flying right? With essentially no instruments and being in an black ash cloud . Kudos to her.
@@koharumi1 She was the FO. Initially on the radio with captain flying, then pilot flying once the engines failed and the captain went through the restart procedures. I'm confused as to why they didn't initially know their engine attempts were periodically working though, surely they could hear the engine start back up, I've always heard it's really obvious from other flight investigations.
Nice, controlled airmanship in extreme circumstances. You could hear the fear in the co-pilot's voice, bravo to the crew in getting the old bird down with no loss of life.
@@McAlexCP She was wearing a mask producing positive pressure, making it very difficult to breathe, she was in a situation where she thought she could die at any moment, she had to clearly give accurate information to the ATC, possible in at least her second language, and she had to assist with a bunch of things, all of this while being responsible for the lives of everyone on board. You're startled when your phone rings... I mean.
Amazingly good result after going through a terrifying ordeal. Those engines must have been extremely tough to fire back up after the damage they sustained. I bet everyone from the flight couldn't quite believe their feet were safely back on the ground. The Captain's truly frightened voice conveyed the seriousness of their situation. Wow.
Once is a fluke. Twice is happenstance. Three times? That’s a pattern, best do something about it. - Thing is, the crew knew to avoid ash clouds - but you can’t tell the two apart just by looking at them. Part of the solution adopted today is air charts now have the option to show airspace that has a risk of carrying volcanic ash. I may question how quickly the charts can be updated, but the capacity IS there today. In the days of paper charts, it wasn’t an option.
I watched this without any knowledge of the incident and I’ve got to be honest I didn’t think it was going to end well..Thank goodness the plane landed safe and well ❤👍
I must of seen the first edit of this clip a day or two ago, it was far from the usual quality that todays clip appears on the screen. The knowledge you pass on I find to be fascinating. Thanks again.
Your videos are of incredible quality. They're very easy to watch and follow, you are really onto something with this channel. It's also great to hear a fellow Irish accent in this community
thank you for explaining why volcanic ash hurts engines. I learn something new every day! Kudos to the pilots for not giving up on this terrible flight.
I’ve watched many aviation videos, even that British airways flight that flew into volcanic ash, this is the 1st time I am hearing of this flight, thank god every1 made it out alive, God bless those pilots 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Glad they made a safe landing. However, whenever I see a KLM 747, my mind goes to March 27,1977 on the island of Tenerife! Great video...thank you for creating, uploading and sharing! 😊✈❤
Thanks for covering this and not the more well known BA009 incident from 1982. If I remember it correctly the first jet aircraft vs volcanic ash incident took place in the 1950s, but because it involved the USAF the knowledge was not widely disseminated.
I love your videos you make. The amount of effort in creating the video, as well as the amount of detail in the information you present, is something I really enjoy watching every time you upload a new video. Keep it up Green Dot, really enjoy your videos 👍
This was interesting! I'd never heard of this one before. It was after the 1982 BA 009 incident that happened, so I would assume it might be in the minds, and maybe that did make the difference. They did well though. By the seat of their pants they fly. Good Docu!
When I don't know the incident's details, I don't even scroll down the page. It makes your narration even more edge-of-the-seat listening. Always good to hear nobody was hurt.
I can't imagine what's it's like for ATC to hear this radio feedback, realizing a hundreds of souls would perish in minutes and knowing there's nothing you can do or help them..
I was provisionally booked on this flight but the lovely people in STA found me a return to Narita at £40 cheaper with Sabena. As we approached Anchorage our captain informed us that we would be late arriving due to the volcano but we only found out about the KLM issue as we entered the airport, there were shaken passengers all over. Some of them boarded our plane since there was plenty of room - their stories were terrifying.
Amazing story. Well done to the pilots. Luckily I don't fly any more but aviation was my hobby. I still flying is the safest form of transport. Love your videos.
@@spikenomoon There was warning that a volcano had erupted and there was an ash cloud present in the vicinity. In light of the known serious risk of flying through an ash cloud, in my opinion that should have been sufficient for an early decsion to have been made to divert to an airport well out of the path of any ash cloud.
@@davemould4638 they were alert, and took the then standard measures to get out of the ash (meaning, apply full throttle and climb). Diversion wasn't considered probably because of where they were flying, it's pretty remote there with few aircraft that can handle a 747. Vancouver or Seattle could have been options to land early had they known the cloud would be where it was and couldn't be avoided, but they didn't as the location of the cloud wasn't known. And had they chosen to make their fuel stop there rather than at Anchorage they may have had trouble reaching Japan, especially if they'd have chosen a more southerly (and thus longer) route to avoid the volcano. Lots of factors always come into play when making flight planning decisions. And sometimes you take a calculated risk if said risk is considered to be minimal.
I love all these stories, especially the ones that end up with positive conclusions. I didn’t know or think about the fact that ash won’t show up on radar. I guess I kinda assumed it still would. Interesting & it makes sense. Still, I question why this happened after lessons learned from the British Airways 747 ash cloud incident from the early 80’s.
That first recording had me feeling terrified just from listening to it. That poor pilot, the whole flight crew, they must’ve felt so scared. I feel for them.
Fantastic CRM. The pilots. along with the aircraft saved the lives of all onboard. Just as well they had the height they did, which is a common denominator with many aviation incidents.
I’m not a pilot, but I’m going to make some guesses here. “There might be volcanic ash ahead” Anxiety level 1/10. “And The cockpit is now smoky.” 4/10 “All the engines are out.” 7/10 “All the displays are blank screens.” 9/10
PH-BFC City of Calgary. Two years after this incident I took this plane from AMS to Minneapolis, it was awesome, first time on a 747. Will never forget.
@@Capecodham Well, PH-BFC was the KLM registration of this particular aircraft. City of Calgary or just Calgary was its name. I think it must have been the third 747-400 in KLM's fleet. They purchased it in 1989. PH-BFA was the first, PH-BFB the second 747-400.
@@luthov don't engage him. He gets upset when anyone uses acronyms that he doesn't understand; so, he copy/pastes the same elitism accusations to anyone he thinks isn't using small enough words.
Since they entered it by descending, maybe the 180° turn wouldn't have been in their best interest, just hold as much altitude as possible with reduced thrust may have served them better. Delighted to hear they made it anyway, the young lady sounded quite uneasy
Amazing to think despite this happening to both BA and Singapore Airlines above Indonesia it appears that very little was done to ensure that it never happened again. I have seen coverage of the BA flight by other contributors but none on the Singapore Airlines 747 which lost 3 engines. Maybe you could cover it?
@@NovemberSky3 Not sure the flight number, but the Singapore Airlines flight incident happened a little over two weeks after BA Flight 9, on July 14, 1982. It was flying on a similar routing, from Singapore to Melbourne, and it overflew the same volcano which had erupted again.
I actually worked on that aircraft in Everett when it hit the flight line along with some British air, Asiana, Lufthansa and a few others. They were a beautiful aircraft with all the upgrades and even though I was avionics I was temporarily on electrical rework because the first 400s came out of the factory and they were engineering basket cases. I would get a workcard to install a wire and the very next day me or another tech would get another workcard to remove the same wire I had installed just yesterday. And in the "E-bay" (Electronics Bay) Boeing had incorporated a new wiring concept called "wire wrap." It made as much sense as defunding the police and then wondering why crime had increased.
Thrilling. A whole 20 Kg bag of cement of ash still left in the engines, let alone whatever went through them. =) So many miracles during the recovery - all those engine restart re-tries, and only after seven did they start up again. 'Turn your hair white. Thanks for creating this awesome video.
Amazing story and accurate replay of the incident. Good job on including the live ATC /cockpit R/T. When flying into regions of volcanic activity it is paramount to not only pay close attention to ASHTAMS but take additional tie to thoroughly prepare for this kind of scenario at pre flight planning as well as during I fight reviewing the QRH SOP for this eventuality and delaying your top of descent point to minimize transition to ash zones and taking track deviation well in advance of reaching the suspect areas. This means planning higher Flight Levels and carrying extra contingency fuel ad ensuring Crew and cabin oxygen levels well above adequate levels ad Electrical system,Batteries and Flash lights condition in excellent condition ad that during normal operations the APU ad Engine EGTs at acceptable levels. It is also paramount to ensure Engine ignition is ON and not on Auto when flight passage proximate volcanic plumes. Approaching brown colored thick clouds with smoke/acrid smell or reduced screen visibility are a clear sign to follow the manufacturer recommended memo items ad SOP for flight into volcanic ash. This was an even better lesson after the original British Airways incident over Jakarta. Good CRM and Command by the Captain especially.Ability for the whole crew to remain calm and act procedurally is paramount.This scenario needs to be practiced both in Simulator recurrent training as well as Cabin Smoke procedures including Cabin crew joint training.
I'm a big fan of your videos. Very clear presentation of the facts - no artificial drama. The incidents are drama enough! I have just one question- you mentioned that the cost of cleanup & repair of the aircraft was $150 million in today's dollars. Are you sure that's right - if that were the case, wouldn't KLM have been better off writing it off? While list prices are $400M AFAIK street prices are more in the range of $150M
Subscribet and bell staright away .. i like your chanel because you go straight to the actions ..not useless intros and long story ..keep it just like that , you are doing a excelent work !!
I really enjoy your videos and have now watched every single one of them. I would however like to make a recommendation. Would it be possible for you to show the routes of the flights you are discussing? Preferably on a 3D globe instead of a flat, 2 dimensional map. In instances such as this KLM flight it would really help to show their proposed flight route and exactly where they encountered these life threatening issues. Thanks
My 1st thought when they realized they were in the ash cloud was, turn around and fly back out. Why would they think flying further into it would make things better? They were made aware of the dangers of ash clouds and had the privilege of being told about the volcano they were flying towards. I’m very happy things worked out but I see no reason for why they continued forwardly flying into a death trap.
I was wondering why there was “the city of Calgary” written on the side of the plane. Fun fact KLM named their planes after cities around the world. In 1988 Calgary hosted the Winter Olympics that’s the only reason I can think of for naming after Calgary. Lol! I’m from Calgary BTW
@@billolsen4360 I always thought that "Cheyenne Frontier Days" has the best rodeo. However, when I was a bartender here in Colorado, I met quite a few people from Calgary. They were the nicest individuals I've ever met! And two of them were pilots! Very interesting people to talk to! 😊✈♥
@@billolsen4360 I always thought that "Cheyenne Frontier Days" has the best rodeo. However, when I was a bartender here in Colorado, I met quite a few people from Calgary. They were the nicest individuals I've ever met! And two of them were pilots! Very interesting people to talk to! 😊✈♥
Wow they all landed safely! Had they flight crew not remained so resilient in restarting the engines and tackled every other issue as systematically aa they did. With power outages along with incorrect readings basically falling blindly out of the sky their outstanding attempt to keep optimistic where perhaps other pilots would've said a prayer and yelled into the radio "THATS IT WE'RE GOING DOWN". NOT THESE CREW, NOT ON THEIR WATCH (and so polite to air traffic control throughout this terrifying ordeal "sir we are in a fall") C'mon ......HOW?? ❤👍👌👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
The fact that the only two major volcanic ash incidents in aviation history happened in Indonesia and Alaska, respectively, is no accident. Arc volcanism is by far the worst kind for aviation since it tends to involve the most silica-rich type of magma, which is in turn most likely to fragment into ash when it erupts.
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That first ATC recording was truly terrifying. The panic in the pilots voice.
Yupppp. When the "we are descending now, we are in a fall!" line dropped, it stopped my heart for a few seconds.
$150mil repair bill on a roughly $400mil aircraft is pure pain.
It's economic stimulus from the bowels of the earth straight to your insurance carrier.
True, but still cheaper than crashing
It did lose ALL if it's engines.
I was on the last flight to leave from Honolulu on 20 December 2020, and during takeoff and climb Kilauea volcano on the big island erupted violently. I didn't know it at the time but the crew was extremely worried and on edge, I saw an orange glow out of the window but thought it was just light from the engines in weird fog. It wasn't until we landed that the crew showed how frazzled and relieved they were. The plane was too far into the takeoff to abandon or return to Honolulu, and no other planes were able to leave after us. We got pretty lucky
The FO is a female??
@mipmipmipmipmipObviously not, especially since this person’s plane didn’t come near an ounce of ash. If a lot of ash got ingested, the primary cost would be replacing the engines. Some flight surfaces would require replacement/repair and it’d need a new paint.
And it’s obviously not true that they couldn’t have returned to Honolulu or another Hawaiian airport. Ash doesn’t spread faster than the wind. All they would have needed to do was to dump fuel. Also, the pilots’ worry would have been from ignorance since they clearly wouldn’t have been flying through the ash stream.
What makes your comment even more ridiculous is that Honolulu is 220 miles from Mount Kilauea. So, I guess it’s true that people tell absurd stories for no good reason on YT.
@@elevatedH.680yes. Why is it strange?
Nice to hear stories of survival every now and again. I'd rather hear more of these and how disaster was averted. The cockpit recording still had me on edge!
Nah no fun in surviving, dying is the real deal.
@@dann5480 seek help
@@liukang3545 It was a joke Einstein. Sad to see someone with single digit IQ.
@@dann5480 seek help
@@liukang3545 I agree with him, he means it's more interesting as a story as opposed to the survival heroic story which you would expect from all stories.
Love hearing the actual radio communications on these videos! It gives the videos a bit more life and a feeling of what the state of mind of the pilots were...
Amazing video. These real life radio transmissions really pull you right into the story. Kudos to the pilots of KLM for not giving up and making it back safely!
Kudos for having flown into ash cloud knowing what it was
@@andybaubau5961they didn’t?
I like your presentations. No buffoonery, just the facts. A few other documentarians could take the hint. Thank you for producing these.
Glad you enjoy them!
'buffoonery' 🤣
@@gmshadowtraders is there a problem? Maybe you are a problem?
@@internet_userr You clearly have no sense of humor 🙄
keep rolling yo eyes
@@gmshadowtraders
Considering Speedbird 9 (British Airways Flight 009) was in 1982, I’m very surprised this incident happened at all, but I’m very happy they got onto land safely and everyone lived! Really glad there’s so much information available to pilots now to avoid flying into ash clouds!
It wasn't just BA9, a few weeks after that flight, a Singapore Airlines 747 flying in the same area also had the same issue after the same volcano erupted again. They landed in Jakarta with just one engine and similar damage.
Not sure why KLM 867 wasn't diverted from the area right before the eruption.
I’m not sure why proving it can happen causes so many to consider it less likely to happen, but ok.
@@animula6908I think they mean they’re surprised nothing was put into place to avoid this after the previous incident
By 2011 they had learned and grounded over 100 000 flights due to a volcano.
Volcanic Ash Advisory Center was established in the 90s. Nowodays it is all monitored.
Like many others who have commented, this story has managed somehow to slip under the radar ( or … stay in the ash cloud) . Thanks yet again for the splendid research and resulting video.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! BA009 gets all the attention, but this incident is just as fascinating imo.
ditto
Was unaware of this incident. Amazed that the switch from generators to batteries and back wasn't instantaneous in a glass cockpit aircraft, especially so in one as large as the B747-400. Another terrific video, thank you.
the generators spin down when you switch to batteries.
When switching back to generators they take a little to spin up again.
@@dillonyang6869 shut up
I'd never heard of this incident, so it was a fascinating watch - thanks for bringing it to us and telling this story so well.
Also, from a production perspective, it was a great move to put the real ATC transmissions as the opener. That cold open set up the story brilliantly.
My brother was in Alaska when Mt McKinley blew (iirc). He has some jars of the ashes. He said it fell like snow. People would go outside to go to work, start their cars, only to watch them sputter out in seconds and be useless until it was cleaned out and the air filter replaced. Ash is crazy that way. It looks like snow, but it's superfine and will coat every surface and starve an engine super fast.
Denali (mt mckinley) isnt a volcano. it is the tallest mountain in North America however
@@willowravenmusic thanks for clarifying. I'm currently guessing it must have been St. Helen's. Maybe he was either staying near McKinley or had been stationed near there and I conflated them names in my head. Edit: Nope, I forgot, Helen's was way too long ago, and I think that's why I rejected it for McKinley, not realizing McKinley wasn't a volcano. Looking at some eruption data, it was either Kasatochi, but more likely Mount Spurr.
theres lots of volcanoes in alaska to choose from hehe
cheers@@pete-ph5xc
I presume you mean it's extremely fine and will starve an engine extremely fast
@@niallwalsh6598 yeah, exactly that. Just instantly packed the air boxes with fine powder that would pack in tight enough to look like cement in there at first.
That poor F/O sounded terrified, I'd have pissed myself probably, if captain was starting engines that means she was doing the flying right? With essentially no instruments and being in an black ash cloud . Kudos to her.
I believe while one is talking to ATC the other is flying… could be wrong but still!! Major respect
I did wonder if the F/O was a female. Terrified but with nerves of steel...These people are superhuman.
@@MargueriteMontesThat is a woman. She did very well as well as the rest of her crew.
Which one was her?
@@koharumi1 She was the FO. Initially on the radio with captain flying, then pilot flying once the engines failed and the captain went through the restart procedures. I'm confused as to why they didn't initially know their engine attempts were periodically working though, surely they could hear the engine start back up, I've always heard it's really obvious from other flight investigations.
Nice, controlled airmanship in extreme circumstances. You could hear the fear in the co-pilot's voice, bravo to the crew in getting the old bird down with no loss of life.
Old bird?
The plane was Brand new
That Bird Was Brand New At The Time, 747 400 just entered Service in Year 1989 , First Flight in 1988.
Controlled airmanship? Didn't you hear all those screens from the F/O? 😅
@@McAlexCP She was wearing a mask producing positive pressure, making it very difficult to breathe, she was in a situation where she thought she could die at any moment, she had to clearly give accurate information to the ATC, possible in at least her second language, and she had to assist with a bunch of things, all of this while being responsible for the lives of everyone on board.
You're startled when your phone rings... I mean.
@@martinc.720 I still heard a lot of screaming though...
Amazingly good result after going through a terrifying ordeal. Those engines must have been extremely tough to fire back up after the damage they sustained. I bet everyone from the flight couldn't quite believe their feet were safely back on the ground. The Captain's truly frightened voice conveyed the seriousness of their situation. Wow.
After British Airways Flight 009, this should not happened. Especially not with a major carrier like KLM.
Once is a fluke.
Twice is happenstance.
Three times? That’s a pattern, best do something about it.
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Thing is, the crew knew to avoid ash clouds - but you can’t tell the two apart just by looking at them.
Part of the solution adopted today is air charts now have the option to show airspace that has a risk of carrying volcanic ash. I may question how quickly the charts can be updated, but the capacity IS there today. In the days of paper charts, it wasn’t an option.
It's the 80s where sadly many similar accidents happened multiple times killing many people. This was fortunately not one of them.
Excellant video
Of course not, isn't hindsight a marvellous thing?
What a shitty logic.
Fair play to the pilots to recover from the impending disaster. Must be terrifying.
Yes, but they did the wrong procedure.... They had luck.... And you can't count on luck in aviation....
@@PetrolHeadBrasil The correct procedure did not exist at the time of this accident
@@aarondynamics1311 true
They have nerve of steel.
@@dillonyang6869 delete this comment and your mentality
I watched this without any knowledge of the incident and I’ve got to be honest I didn’t think it was going to end well..Thank goodness the plane landed safe and well ❤👍
I, too enjoyed the CVR recording. it added gravity to the situation at hand. Incredible videos as always.!
He should have at least 50K subs, his videos are AMAZING
I must of seen the first edit of this clip a day or two ago, it was far from the usual quality that todays clip appears on the screen. The knowledge you pass on I find to be fascinating. Thanks again.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Your videos are of incredible quality. They're very easy to watch and follow, you are really onto something with this channel. It's also great to hear a fellow Irish accent in this community
Great to hear, Grma!
thank you for explaining why volcanic ash hurts engines. I learn something new every day!
Kudos to the pilots for not giving up on this terrible flight.
This is one of the few channels where I can learn about accidents I've never heard of before. I'm impressed. Thanks!
Thank you! Glad you’re enjoying it :)
Thanks GD.
I didn't know of this mishap either.
Volcanic ash is nasty to jet engines.
Also thanks to the pilots and ground control.
Excellent video. I hadn’t heard of this one before. Small correction - Icelandic volcano eruption was 2010.
Yes, I think BA009 is much better known, but this story is no less compelling, imo. Thanks for the correction re the Icelandic eruption.
I'm so glad you put the cockpit recordings in when you can ❤️
It’s also interesting to note that technology is emerging to cope with such situations more effectively.
I’ve watched many aviation videos, even that British airways flight that flew into volcanic ash, this is the 1st time I am hearing of this flight, thank god every1 made it out alive, God bless those pilots 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Great voiceover content and really informative. From a fellow Irishman it’s great to see!
Glad they made a safe landing. However, whenever I see a KLM 747, my mind goes to March 27,1977 on the island of Tenerife! Great video...thank you for creating, uploading and sharing! 😊✈❤
Wow, I never knew such an event had happened twice!
Fantastic video! Nice to see you’ve used the ATC recording.
Thanks for covering this and not the more well known BA009 incident from 1982. If I remember it correctly the first jet aircraft vs volcanic ash incident took place in the 1950s, but because it involved the USAF the knowledge was not widely disseminated.
He covered the 1982 incident. As a matter of fact, he even had a videoconferencing call with the captain of that flight
Wow, I had no idea this could even happen! Thanks for another horrificly wonderful video🙀
I love your videos you make. The amount of effort in creating the video, as well as the amount of detail in the information you present, is something I really enjoy watching every time you upload a new video. Keep it up Green Dot, really enjoy your videos 👍
Thank you very much!
I am so in awe of pilots that keep aviating even though they may want to just scream and give up. I hope to be like them when I am flying. ❤✈
Why should they give Up? They want to survive and see their kids again.
They don't save the passengers bravely, but their own lives.....
This was interesting! I'd never heard of this one before. It was after the 1982 BA 009 incident that happened, so I would assume it might be in the minds, and maybe that did make the difference. They did well though. By the seat of their pants they fly. Good Docu!
Thanks! I'm sure the BA incident must have flashed through their minds.
I worked in atc that time. Talk of the day. Really great recovery!
Great video. What a poetic ending to the last flight being captained by the FO 👍
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When I don't know the incident's details, I don't even scroll down the page. It makes your narration even more edge-of-the-seat listening. Always good to hear nobody was hurt.
I can't imagine what's it's like for ATC to hear this radio feedback, realizing a hundreds of souls would perish in minutes and knowing there's nothing you can do or help them..
I was provisionally booked on this flight but the lovely people in STA found me a return to Narita at £40 cheaper with Sabena. As we approached Anchorage our captain informed us that we would be late arriving due to the volcano but we only found out about the KLM issue as we entered the airport, there were shaken passengers all over. Some of them boarded our plane since there was plenty of room - their stories were terrifying.
Amazing story. Well done to the pilots. Luckily I don't fly any more but aviation was my hobby. I still flying is the safest form of transport. Love your videos.
Never heard of this one shouldn’t have happened after the British airways disaster tho, great video as always anyways! 👍
the BA flight through ash (around same time i think) was not a disaster. it too landed with no deaths
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_009
@@noneofyourbizness Also the plane suffered serious abrasion everywhere, including engines and windscreens.
No warning
@@spikenomoon There was warning that a volcano had erupted and there was an ash cloud present in the vicinity. In light of the known serious risk of flying through an ash cloud, in my opinion that should have been sufficient for an early decsion to have been made to divert to an airport well out of the path of any ash cloud.
@@davemould4638 they were alert, and took the then standard measures to get out of the ash (meaning, apply full throttle and climb).
Diversion wasn't considered probably because of where they were flying, it's pretty remote there with few aircraft that can handle a 747.
Vancouver or Seattle could have been options to land early had they known the cloud would be where it was and couldn't be avoided, but they didn't as the location of the cloud wasn't known.
And had they chosen to make their fuel stop there rather than at Anchorage they may have had trouble reaching Japan, especially if they'd have chosen a more southerly (and thus longer) route to avoid the volcano.
Lots of factors always come into play when making flight planning decisions. And sometimes you take a calculated risk if said risk is considered to be minimal.
I love all these stories, especially the ones that end up with positive conclusions. I didn’t know or think about the fact that ash won’t show up on radar. I guess I kinda assumed it still would. Interesting & it makes sense. Still, I question why this happened after lessons learned from the British Airways 747 ash cloud incident from the early 80’s.
That first recording had me feeling terrified just from listening to it. That poor pilot, the whole flight crew, they must’ve felt so scared. I feel for them.
Omg. So grateful. Amazing. ❤❤❤🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Fantastic CRM. The pilots. along with the aircraft saved the lives of all onboard.
Just as well they had the height they did, which is a common denominator with many aviation incidents.
Another outstanding video thank you very much!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I was on that flight - I knew it was going to be a dodgy one when I saw the volcano erupt but these guys decided to fly straight into it
Oh my never heard abt this incident awesome video and didn't know ash can cause so much damage
Luv the channel and its content well done and thankyou 😃
I’m glad! More vids on the way 😎
Very nice! One I hadn't seen! And newest sub.
Thanks and welcome!
Excellent video! I watch a couple of videos on RUclips about it, but never with the CVR recordings
“The plane was essentially a giant glider” should be the slogan of this channel
It's about to lol
Love your channel. Straight to the point and explains in layman's terms!!
Thank you Timothy!
Ok I’ve been benching your videos you earned my subscription 👍
Fantastic crew work here 😊
I love cases that highlight the skills of the flight crew 🏆😊
I’m not a pilot, but I’m going to make some guesses here.
“There might be volcanic ash ahead” Anxiety level 1/10.
“And The cockpit is now smoky.” 4/10
“All the engines are out.” 7/10
“All the displays are blank screens.” 9/10
Love your videos keep it up
Thanks! More on the way ✈
I’m really surprised they didn’t divert sooner than that Especially since the volcano happen before
PH-BFC City of Calgary. Two years after this incident I took this plane from AMS to Minneapolis, it was awesome, first time on a 747. Will never forget.
@@Capecodham Well, PH-BFC was the KLM registration of this particular aircraft. City of Calgary or just Calgary was its name. I think it must have been the third 747-400 in KLM's fleet. They purchased it in 1989. PH-BFA was the first, PH-BFB the second 747-400.
@@luthov don't engage him. He gets upset when anyone uses acronyms that he doesn't understand; so, he copy/pastes the same elitism accusations to anyone he thinks isn't using small enough words.
This and mentour pilot channels are the best
Since they entered it by descending, maybe the 180° turn wouldn't have been in their best interest, just hold as much altitude as possible with reduced thrust may have served them better. Delighted to hear they made it anyway, the young lady sounded quite uneasy
Guess that depends on the expanse of the cloud, the wind direction, and the direction the plane was moving.
Me as a dutchy, I knew about this happening. Luckly they took their measurments. BTW you have a great channel.
Oh look a strange brown cloud, lets just fly through nothing bad can happen right?
1:49 first time i Hear someone who is not from the Netherlands saying the dutch g right
Wow they could understand her, that was amazing. No doubt this would of been super scary stuff. Well done
Just found your channel and I love it 😻
Excellent job. Thank you.
Thanks!
Amazing to think despite this happening to both BA and Singapore Airlines above Indonesia it appears that very little was done to ensure that it never happened again. I have seen coverage of the BA flight by other contributors but none on the Singapore Airlines 747 which lost 3 engines. Maybe you could cover it?
What was the name of the flight and what date did this happen?
@@NovemberSky3 Not sure the flight number, but the Singapore Airlines flight incident happened a little over two weeks after BA Flight 9, on July 14, 1982. It was flying on a similar routing, from Singapore to Melbourne, and it overflew the same volcano which had erupted again.
I actually worked on that aircraft in Everett when it hit the flight line along with some British air, Asiana, Lufthansa and a few others. They were a beautiful aircraft with all the upgrades and even though I was avionics I was temporarily on electrical rework because the first 400s came out of the factory and they were engineering basket cases. I would get a workcard to install a wire and the very next day me or another tech would get another workcard to remove the same wire I had installed just yesterday. And in the "E-bay" (Electronics Bay) Boeing had incorporated a new wiring concept called "wire wrap." It made as much sense as defunding the police and then wondering why crime had increased.
Didn't know this happened and after British airways. Great trivia about the pilot on that flight was on the plane's last.
Thrilling. A whole 20 Kg bag of cement of ash still left in the engines, let alone whatever went through them. =)
So many miracles during the recovery - all those engine restart re-tries, and only after seven did they start up again. 'Turn your hair white.
Thanks for creating this awesome video.
Amazing story and accurate replay of the incident. Good job on including the live ATC /cockpit R/T. When flying into regions of volcanic activity it is paramount to not only pay close attention to ASHTAMS but take additional tie to thoroughly prepare for this kind of scenario at pre flight planning as well as during I fight reviewing the QRH SOP for this eventuality and delaying your top of descent point to minimize transition to ash zones and taking track deviation well in advance of reaching the suspect areas. This means planning higher Flight Levels and carrying extra contingency fuel ad ensuring Crew and cabin oxygen levels well above adequate levels ad Electrical system,Batteries and Flash lights condition in excellent condition ad that during normal operations the APU ad Engine EGTs at acceptable levels. It is also paramount to ensure Engine ignition is ON and not on Auto when flight passage proximate volcanic plumes. Approaching brown colored thick clouds with smoke/acrid smell or reduced screen visibility are a clear sign to follow the manufacturer recommended memo items ad SOP for flight into volcanic ash. This was an even better lesson after the original British Airways incident over Jakarta. Good CRM and Command by the Captain especially.Ability for the whole crew to remain calm and act procedurally is paramount.This scenario needs to be practiced both in Simulator recurrent training as well as Cabin Smoke procedures including Cabin crew joint training.
Whoa that gave me some crazy anxiety!
Kind of new to this channel but wow great breakdown of events
Just subscribed keep up the good work.
I'm a big fan of your videos. Very clear presentation of the facts - no artificial drama. The incidents are drama enough!
I have just one question- you mentioned that the cost of cleanup & repair of the aircraft was $150 million in today's dollars. Are you sure that's right - if that were the case, wouldn't KLM have been better off writing it off? While list prices are $400M AFAIK street prices are more in the range of $150M
Wonderful job by the pilot
He didn't panic and saved all passengers and his team
I forgot about this event, and never knew it was that serious.
Subscribet and bell staright away .. i like your chanel because you go straight to the actions ..not useless intros and long story ..keep it just like that , you are doing a excelent work !!
I really enjoy your videos and have now watched every single one of them. I would however like to make a recommendation. Would it be possible for you to show the routes of the flights you are discussing? Preferably on a 3D globe instead of a flat, 2 dimensional map. In instances such as this KLM flight it would really help to show their proposed flight route and exactly where they encountered these life threatening issues.
Thanks
Thanks for this recommendation! Will have a look into this for future vids :)
My 1st thought when they realized they were in the ash cloud was, turn around and fly back out. Why would they think flying further into it would make things better? They were made aware of the dangers of ash clouds and had the privilege of being told about the volcano they were flying towards. I’m very happy things worked out but I see no reason for why they continued forwardly flying into a death trap.
Can't believe how so well produced channel have less than 60k subs
I was wondering why there was “the city of Calgary” written on the side of the plane.
Fun fact KLM named their planes after cities around the world. In 1988 Calgary hosted the Winter Olympics that’s the only reason I can think of for naming after Calgary. Lol!
I’m from Calgary BTW
Everybody should love Calgary & name aircraft after her. She's got the best rodeo by far.
@@billolsen4360 I always thought that "Cheyenne Frontier Days" has the best rodeo. However, when I was a bartender here in Colorado, I met quite a few people from Calgary. They were the nicest individuals I've ever met! And two of them were pilots! Very interesting people to talk to! 😊✈♥
@@billolsen4360 I always thought that "Cheyenne Frontier Days" has the best rodeo. However, when I was a bartender here in Colorado, I met quite a few people from Calgary. They were the nicest individuals I've ever met! And two of them were pilots! Very interesting people to talk to! 😊✈♥
Wow they all landed safely! Had they flight crew not remained so resilient in restarting the engines and tackled every other issue as systematically aa they did. With power outages along with incorrect readings basically falling blindly out of the sky their outstanding attempt to keep optimistic where perhaps other pilots would've said a prayer and yelled into the radio "THATS IT WE'RE GOING DOWN". NOT THESE CREW, NOT ON THEIR WATCH (and so polite to air traffic control throughout this terrifying ordeal "sir we are in a fall") C'mon ......HOW?? ❤👍👌👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
love your videos
How do any of these people understand anything that's said over radio, ever? Or is my auditory processing worse than I though O_O
10:50 "An Icelandic volcano" Come on, you didn't even try :)
When you feel like you are having a bad day, watch this, and think to yourself, it could be worse!!!
So they were told about this ash cloud but still flew right into it. Yikes
Thanks, good presentation
Good FLICK! Enjoyed thx
The fact that the only two major volcanic ash incidents in aviation history happened in Indonesia and Alaska, respectively, is no accident. Arc volcanism is by far the worst kind for aviation since it tends to involve the most silica-rich type of magma, which is in turn most likely to fragment into ash when it erupts.
Excellent research! 👍❤