Catching fire SECONDS after takeoff! American Flight 1400
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September 28th, 2007
Seconds after takeoff from St Louis, Missouri, the engine of an American Airlines MD-82 erupts into flames. Alarm bells ring loudly in the cockpit, as the pilots grapple with the emergency. But they soon discover that this is no normal emergency. Within moments, the captain’s instruments fail, and the aircraft begins to lose vital systems. Will the crew be able to make it back to the airport, or will the fire spell disaster for everybody on board?
This is the story of American airlines flight 1400.
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I can't believe the captain told the first officer, "hey can you fly the plane I gotta take a call", while the first officer was in the middle of... putting out a fire in the left engine. And they let the fire burn for another minute and a half
The first officer should have clearly stated that he needed another 30 seconds, in order to be able to activate the fire extinguishers.
Dealing with other matters, the captain probably did not fully realise what the first officer was doing and the stage that he was at.
While the captain is in charge, he is not God, so the second officer should have spoken up. The captain did not sound like an idiot, so I doubt that he would have specifically told him to ignore the fire.
In any emergency situation, good communications are vital.
Both are to blame. Shocking airmanship.
I agree that the first officer should have spoken up. He did not and therefore was at fault. Also, of course the captain does not order thr first officer to ignore the fire. However, Green Dot says that when the fire broke out, "the captain announced he would fly the plane, while the first officer worked through the checklist". And before asking where the first officer was on the checklist, the captain asked him to take over control while he called the cabin crew. As Green Dot points out, this was unnecessary at this stage. Understandably, the captain was under stress from the emergency, and so was the first officer, but it still seems a bit baffling to me that this could make them tunnel vision so deeply into other tasks that they left the fire burning.
@@akshayshrivastava7252 The best definition of accidents is "Things that happen to other people".
They were both in shock, so it is much easier for us to criticize them while we are sitting at our computers.
If you and I had been in a similar situation, who knows what mistakes we would have made. That is why communications and teamwork is so vital.
We tend to be ignoring the REAL mistake, which was ground crew being allowed to take shortcuts, rather than finding the REAL fault and correcting it. Blindly poking a faulty engine with a screwdriver is hardly professional.
But then. That is easy for me to say, because I am an engineer.
I'm sorry but what was stopping him from hitting two more buttons even while taking control of path of flight?
It’s always awesome to hear a aviation problem that ended up with no fatalities 😌
I agree, but you spoiled it for me
@@noahsichel7764don’t read the comments then until u finish(pro advice
Spoilers 😂☝️
@noahsichel7764 No, you spoiled it for yourself by reading comments before watching the entire video. Gotta take some responsibility.
@@nicolainielsen7700 no, I'm on a phone and the comment was unmissable
A rare case where basically everyone was at fault
Exept the controllers
what did the baggage do??
Passengers on this plane must have been a bunch of idiots for not using Green Dot Aviation's discount codes.
I don't think the specific ground crew member was at fault. New hires comply with common practice because "everyone does it this way".
Management was at fault for pushing their employees to cut corners. Remember the proper tool was "time consuming" to find and use.
You spoiled it wtf?”!?!?!
I appreciate that you're not spoiling the story for us by indicating whether the airplane survived or not. I like the suspenseful feeling all throughout the video.
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I understand this happened because of damage by the screwdriver but if you ask me this is a pretty big flaw of the engine. This could also happen without the screwdriver, stuff breaks. Such a small defect should not be so catastrophic as this was.
was it the screwdriver - damaged valve or the disintegrating filter that started the fire? but ya, stuff breaks, and a sucked in little stone, bird parts/screw would handle the engine much more unprofessionally than a mechanic with a screwdriver. that thing didn't fail safely.
The problem was neglected during inspections just to be later misdiagnosed and then "solved" using an unapproved fix, which even that was somehow screwed up by the use of a screwdriver instead of his hands, I really don't think the engine design was the problem here.
@@mactep1But if there was no engine, There can't be an engine fire. They should learn their lesson and design air planes without engine.
@@mactep1 The engineers who designed that thing, ALSO wrote the manuals about "Manual Start" protocols, and they SPECIFICALLY put in a required "special wrench" to do that task, another OVERPRICED and unjustifiable piece of equipment, just to do something "according to SOP's" that would only be slightly less than routine. Stuff DOES break, and wear out, and deteriorate ALL THE TIME... Why would you need a 10,000 dollar wrench, so there's ONLY ONE in the whole shop for a fleet of these things, to do a "manual start"??? It could be the filter neglected, and that's certainly a problem, and certainly contributed... BUT it could just as easily have been a wire cracked or a bad circuit board someplace that would keep the plane "in the shop" for troubleshooting over 72 hours just to find the ONE little twitchy bit in 100's of THOUSANDS to twitchy bits that went "wrong" and caused the conventional start to fail... The manual starting procedure SHOULD be special, but it ALREADY IS, just by the nature of some technician opening the cowling of the engine. Otherwise just make it as SIMPLE as possible to prevent the "wrench monkey" from f***ing up a 100,000 dollar engine for your customer, who probably keeps an outstanding MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR account... That wrench monkey only costs them about 25/hour, so he's NO comparison to an engineer, and EVERY SINGLE TIME you give a wrench monkey reason to bitch, you're GOING to get weird tools shoved into unique places to CHEAT against the engineers. It's the nature of wrench monkeys... even well trained ones.
That's a design FLAW that engineers in something as prestigious as Avionics SHOULD know damn well better than to let slip into their work! Don't forget, these are the same wrench monkeys who probably got a reward when they "developed in house" a mechanism for using a FORKLIFT to remove and re-install engines on the Boeings instead of the specialty Engine-lift that Boeing specifically designed for the job, and highly recommended AGAINST replacing in any manner.
Don't look for the FAA to interfere either. Everything that "looks okay" to the casual observer will pass muster for the FAA until something goes catastrophically wrong. They're the FAA and the government DOES NOT CARE UNTIL THERE ARE UNACCEPTABLE LOSSES/DEATHS... period. ;o)
as alsoways it's the swiss cheese model. but heck if i were mid checklist i'd swap roles, no matter the command issuer. I'd quickly say "standby ONE MOMENT while i finish what i'm doing" . i realise it's hectic and EVERYTHING is critical ... so to drop any procedure, midflow ... that's amateur. better to have a passenger in the F/O seat.
"THERE'S A FIRE IN THE LEFT ENGINE!!! Let me go talk to the stewardesses about this."
Stupidity at its finest.
On page 13 of the NTSB report, the mechanics did exactly what Boeing said NOT to do when doing a manual start. This was a known issue in the mid-90s with the MD80s that Boeing addressed, yet the STL mechanics ignored.
When he finally calls the deadheading captain up Im like "you waited that long?!"
When I was a new captain years ago I was operating dfw-lga... I had a 767ER captain on my jumpseat, and we had gotten into a low fuel situation due to atc reroutes, holding, etc. My field of vision was narrowing quickly so I turned to the much more experienced jumpseater and said "I need your help."
He jumped into action and started giving me a list of things to do, solutions, and things to consider.
We landed in LGA with 300lbs of fuel above the minimum landing fuel!
But one simple question if you was in this position would you be able to handle this?
I commend you for knowing your limitations and utilizing all the tools at your disposal, which in your case, was help from a more experienced pilot.
The answer would probably be a resounding YES, being as he was a new pilot and had yet to pick up any bad habits such as the lackadaisical conduct of pilot and 1st officer prior to take-off. @@florisha4790
@@florisha4790 which position? On the AA flight in the video? Or the ER captain on my jumpseat from my post? I've since accumulated another 4,000 hours as a jet captain so Im much more confident in my abilities during non-normal operations. The best thing a captain can do is to expand the team.
It takes a lot of bravery and humility to say "I need help" or "I don't know". Well done you!
Although the pilots were a little too relaxed and worsened some of their problems that was still some impressive flying
Nothing impressive in my opinion.
Too many mistakes to be called impressive. The only thing impressive is they didn’t get everyone killed which is in large part by luck.
Yeah, i think they did a very good job at planning the landing under these conditions. Retracting the flaps partially to successfully speed up again, dropping the landing gear at the right time, etc.
Everyone needs to keep in mind that it was an absolute emergency. It's easy when there is no stress in a simulator, but the captain probably just thought of getting all the things done that he needs to do. He obviously didn't mean to interrupt the first officer from putting out the fire. Also they didn't expect to lose their systems from "just" an engine fire that they trained for.
@@derkevevin you right they lost their systems from incompetence on the pilots end. so yeah it wasn't just a engine fire.
I agree. It is astonishing what kind of armchair experts comment here, and obviously breaking sterile cockpit rules and not prioritizing correctly (dealing with ATC, Crew and the door) was bad. But it is still evident that they knew this plane, how it behaves, how it flies, they realized that the gear indication could be erroneous, they performed a go-around (unexpected situation within an overall totally unexpected situation!) etc. This is not like those Pakistan airlines guys that tried to land at 9° path and forgot the landing gear. It is clear that while they were lacking in some areas, they were very good in others.
Brits, Irish, and Ausies saying: st. Louie is always funny to hear. There aren’t French here anymore so we just say st. Lewis 😂
Aussies
Thank you. That was driving me crazy.
Because, despite there not being any French there now; that’s how it’s properly pronounced. Philistine.
@@tom6493 except it’s not because it’s a city in the United States and is pronounced st “Lewis.” Maybe in French it’s pronounced Louie, but we aren’t speaking French.
Maybe it's because of Judy but I still kinda say, St Louie 😅
"The pilots could not get the APU to start"
Isn't there someone with a screwdriver who can wing it?
sure, just plop on your spiderman suction cups, climb out of the window, plop plop to the APU on the underside of the plane (because on the upper side, you might damage the stabilizer and freak out the passengers, avoid the jetblast from the good and the fire from the bad engine, bring your biggest screwdriver and give it a good poke 😜
It shows how a non sterile cockpit completely changes the way a sudden emergency is handled compared to a sterile cockpit and why it's so important!
You have taught us so well, GDA... when you start saying at 5:56 that the captain commented on his retirement during taxi I immediately blurted out loud "STERILE COCKPIT!"... now my roomate thinks I'm weird.
My evening is sorted! Thanks
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Some Checklists require that the most critical steps be memorized and completed before reading the rest of the list. That would have gotten the fuel shut off and the fire bottles discharged in this case.
Agreed. I'm surprised this wasn't a memory checklist, especially since it's so short and practiced a lot in simulation.
@@johnh8268them mfs obviously dont play warthunder bruh, even my dumbass wouldve had that fire turned off immediately
@@kevincorrigan1754Exatly this: confirm engine fire, cut off fuel first, idle throttle next and release extinguishers. Few seconds to complete.
@@adamw.8579 Well luckily you're not airline pilots (at least I hope so). Engine fires usually don't have memory items. Memory items are for when a plane will fall out of the sky imminently, with no time to get a checklist out. That was evidently not the case here. And one of the things these pilots did right, was to work through the checklist (albeit not quickly enough), and not randomly start doing things "because even my dumbass knows this" xD
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Always a relief when everybody makes it
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Thank you for the kind words :) More on the way
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The narrator started talking about what kind of carry-on bag he uses, and I first thought, 'what the heck does this have to do with the story'? lol
If my memory serves me correctly, pulling the emergency gear lever would remove the hydraulics from the gear and the latches that hold the gear up would be released allowing the gear to fall using the force of gravity. It doesn’t take very long. Also, there is a mechanical indicator on the pedestal just below the pitch trim indicator that will pop up if the nose gear is down.
Oh, it will take long. Maybe not "very long", whatever your definition of that is, but long enough for it to be unsafe at 1 mile final or whereever they were at. Yes, it "falls" down, but that doesn't mean it suddenly drops into place. It's like the hood on a premium car, slowly lowering itself into position, with gravity barely overcoming the friction and dampening forces of the gear mechanism.
Congrats on 200k subs Green Dot, you deserve it. You're content is absolutely top tier, can't wait to watch this one. Also just wanted to say the "s" in St. Louis is not silent lol. Edit: Wow... the more I learn about aviation the more horrifying these videos become, this one was a nail biter
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As somebody who is working on his PPL right now I highly recommend getting started! Glad you're enjoying the videos :)
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I think learning about these events either makes people terrified of setting foot in planes or makes them want to learn! I’m the latter, I love aviation. It takes time but when you do start, you’ve got this!
Shocking too hear that such experienced pilots don‘t see the risk in a fire while in the air. The fire can potencianally eat the whole plane and they just got a few minutes to get it down.
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You could say the pilots also had quite the mid-day break in their workday
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Oh please. There will be no way he would be able to post everyday with the very little incidents that happened in aviation. Also, posting once every week or so is much more exciting than being able to watch everyday
Using a screwdriver instead of a required wrench to start the engine that way could cause big damage. Even if it’s just a tiny modification. And this big damage happened on this flight.
Also great video! Keep up the awesome work 🛩👍
Whatever happened to "the proper tool for the proper job."
My favourite youtuber atm, when it comes to airline incidents. Keep up the great work!
I was on this flight, and it was slightly unnerving. Started a history of bad flights to St. Louis for me as well. Many flights cancelled or delayed for equipment failures. Then several years later, I was on a SWA flight that aborted 2 landings, then landed at a different commuter airport just south of lambert (Spirit of St Louis). I just kept thinking lambert was out to kill me. Ha. Luckily, since that one, I’ve had nothing but good flying in and out of lambert.
I've never flown in or out of the chesterfield airport, just good old lambert.
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Just a funny note - 'St. Louis' is pronounced as 'Saint Lewis'
He pronounced it like King Louis.. Europeans.. Sheesh
Old days people called it St Lewie.
Yeah. I'm originally from St. Louis and hearing him pronounce it "lewee", was both distracting/making me chuckle and making me sing that "Meet me in St. Lewee, lewee, meet me at the fair..." song in my head against my will. *That is, until the fire. After that I was just blown away by what was happening in that cockpit.
Great video!! Feels like ages since i had a green dot notification but definitely worth the wait. Thanks for all your efforts to keep me entertained really appreciate you buddy.
Why am I absolutely addicted to these videos 😂
Whew! That was intense and harrowing! These incidents should be studied in depth during pilot training, engineering training and mechanical training. If it is already included, then it is not being reinforced enough. It must be drilled into the heads of everyone in the chain of command that cutting corners for efficiency and cost will invariably end up in tragic incidents. As was stated in the video SOP is there for a reason. It must be adhered to religiously. Thanks for producing another excellent video. Cheers from Canada.
You and disaster in one day? [= So awesome!
"Unless we're on fire we'll go to Chicago. If we're on fire we'll come back and land here" - LMAO I'll argue that was a PERFECT brief.
Interesting, I didn't even know you could start a jet engine manually.
I think even without any checklists the obvious thing would be to shut off an engine on fire. It's something you'd think to do automatically.
I can never get over how good these videos are… thank you!
I also love the ones that are a little longer like this!
This one had me on the edge of my seat!
Green Dot is definitely one of the best channel's on RUclips.
Second to none concerning aviation.
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Ive only been on the MD82 once and i loved it. I remember being surprised at the sense of speed angle at which it took off..i dont know if it was faster and steeper than a normal plane but it felt like it
Watching this while cooking dinner safely on terra firma! As always, a top-notch video, with great presentation and excellent quality.
Congrats on the 200k subscriptions. 🎉🎈 Well deserved.
So you're not on the moon 😉
@@tyguy3876 I was over the moon, cooking a lovely Indian meal and watcning Green Dot! 😄
Thank you kindly!
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Never fxxk around when you have a fire. This captain and the first officer both fxxked around. This flight was lucky to get back on the ground safely.
Man, what a rollercoaster ride!
Excellent narration made this story extra-immersive.
Another excellent production, GDA. Thanks! 👍👍👍
You know it's a great day when Green Dot uploads
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Another incredible and detailed report and production! Well done and thanks!
These videos should be required viewing for all pilots in training.
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This episode was one of my favorites!
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Really great video, I thoroughly enjoy the way you explain the details of the flight and the faults that usually complicate the outcome of the flight.
Saying that these videos are a masterpiece is a severe understatement
I love this channel the narration is easy to listen to…..even though I hate flying myself I get enthralled here
Just a note: it's pronounced like "Saint Lewis" not "Saint Lewie." Excellent as always, congratulations on your nearly 200K.
Hes auurstraliarn bruv, they say saint louie.
Accent sounds more Irish to me. And we pronounce Louis the French way
In 1976 when I was in basic training at Ft. Leonard Wood, MO, I had a bunk mate who was essentially a local hillbilly. I remember as if it was yesterday him telling us in the local hillbilly dialect about the time “his Pappy took the family all the way to Saint Looey!” I think he had never seen multi story buildings before! He had lived his entire life in the Ozarks. “Wee doggy.” Yes. Saint Looey!
@@alanmiller9681 I know someone called Louis and Looey is how his name is pronounced. It comes from French.
@@freedomofspeech766 Sure! I’m dusting off my HS French text book right now. Only 50+ years of dust on it. Ah-Chew!!!!
Glad to hear that everyone survived.
I knew the flight got back on the ground OK the moment you introduced the sponsor. 😄
Was that a close call! Glad everyone made out alive. Great story telling.
Spoiler alert lol
Happy spoiler
@@heidithompson6895just what i was thinking! 🤣 will no longer be reading comments before the video is done
Yeah! Lol. You guys can’t wait to see the video first and go straight to the comments. Y’all probably read the last chapter of a book before you’re done too. So funny 😂
Still loving the way you tell stories, thanks for your time and efforts.
I’m glad! More on the way
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Another fantastic video. So glad everyone was safe.
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The Capt'n should've remembered 3 words - Aviate - Navigate - Communicate. He should've concentrated on flying and navigating the plane. The F.O. would be communicating with ATC.
You always bring awesome productions.
Creative way of bringing your sponsor's products as similar components of this video.
I like the way you pronounced Louis, "lewey." On the West side of the puddle it's, "lou-ih--s." Cool to hear.
Congrats Kibbo on your awesome finds.
Another really well done video. Story was told and described amazingly. Keep up the good work!
Love these videos but this is the exact reason I won’t get on a plane. keep it up, love your short documenting of plane errors
If you ever are in a car (which is much more dangerous than commercial flying) I hope you don’t ever watch any FMVA videos!
Stellar content. Love it!!
Wow, came back to this video after 3 months. I saw a comment I left congratulating you for reaching 200k subs and not you're almost at 250k. You guys are killing it! Keep it up please
The joke about the weekender bag made me spit up my dinner. Lol.
Great job and great channel!
American pilots . Some of the world 's best .
I used to have a fear of flying and I eventually got over it. Now I have a fear of flying again.
Great job gda 🎉🎉🎉 Could you do Tenerife north airport disaster next?
That’s on the list!
Outstanding narration which kept us in suspense throughout for the outcome.
You don't uplaod as frequently as other ACI channels, but it's sooo worth it.
I like how activating the engine fire extingiushers is referred to as the "turd step".
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Not even a minute in and I get bombarded with someone saying St. Louis with an actual French pronunciation. That just doesn't happen around here. XD
I find that most European creators will use a French pronunciation. American and most Canadians tend to use the 'official' way.
So good to see you make a video again, keep it up!
Terrific detailed video. Well done.
No one in the US has ever called it "St Louie". It is St Louis.
Hard to concieve that they would be keen to take off with a dodgy engine in the first place. Pressure Pressure Pressure i suppose! Cheers Green Dot another great addition in the series! 🇦🇺✈️🇦🇺
It wasn’t a dodgy engine. It was a partial failure of the starter system. Once the engine was running all was fine. You may be surprised with what the MEL allowed when it comes to dispatching aircraft.
@EdOeuna good call. I know of the 'Pressure Building' effect on airline pilots! Cheers Ed! 👍
I think it’s more like having a car with a dead battery. If you can jump start it, it’s not an issue and you’d have no fear about driving it. The issue is only starting it.
i just found your channel and have been binge watching it, PLEASE make more videos, thank you🥰
The video was good and all, I really liked how smoothly you slid in the sponsor, kindly keep it this way for future videos, it's nice.
Noted!
Hey! Probably a question you've already answered lots of times before, but what game do you use for images during your videos? Aside from that, congrats on the 200k, I would consider your channel the best in terms of crash reports; Something to do with your voice and the way you leave the perfect amount of info in each and every one of your videos.
Thanks so much. We use MSFS and X-plane for the videos
I already know this is gonig to be a good video i also live ne stl airport (also we pronounce it Saint. Lewis
My heart was a poundin’ on this one! Well done!
Great video very descriptive and story is told in a logical sequence, very well done. Tanx!
Unbelievable that the captain handed over control interrupting a vital checklist to do something so non-essential..
But did they manage to shut the door?
that fire alam CONSTANTLY beeping at them, nagging them, probably drove them crazy !!! enough to 4get charts and procedures.that thing constantly blearing - anyone would go nuts.
The best aviation channel online, i love your videos!!
The engine is on fire! Electrical systems are failing! The nose gear won't deploy! What is the first priority? CLOSE THE COCKPIT DOOR!
Brilliant video as always. Have you thought about maybe doing a video on British Airways Flight 5390? In my opinion its one of the most amazing stories in aviation and i think it would make a cool video. Especially if it is at all possible to speak to the pilot (Captain Tim Lancaster) like you did with British Airways Flight 9. Ofcourse this is only an idea, whatever you decide to cover next, i know it will be brilliant anyway
6:59 Dude that was a foreshadowing