That's why the diameter of your back up is so important. Ideally, your wrapped diameter should be the same as an unwrapped tire. If it's the right size, there should be no slack in the thread. I tested it with slack too, the thread slacked evenly around the tire, and it ballooned slightly but evenly until the slack was taken up. Keep in mind that this is a $7 set of tires that, when done properly, will handle 100 MPH. This process is intended as a low cost option for people looking to go fast.
Yes. It doesn't throw them as far out of balance, and is much lighter. Tape works well for moderate speeds of 60-70 mph, but it's not strong enough for the super high speeds I need(100+)
I'm building my first 1/10 scale buggy (Team Associated B44.3) and I wanted to do everything right the first time. I have been in hunt of the perfect way(s) to setup my My tires and rims. So far my application consist of Electron 2.2" M4 Off-Rd Buggy Tires (Front & Back) with DE Racing Rims. I have not found a video on how to choose foam inserts so I will be using the ones that come with the Electron 2.2" M4s. Out of every technique I have seen on the net, your method seems to be the most logical approach of preventing ballooning. Is there anything special one should do to the foam inserts after using the Tonko Kevlar tire belting method?
The air pressure is the same, but I squeezed the trigger much further. If I had squeezed the trigger all the way before the tire was belted, it would have exploded.
i see the wire spooled has something cylindrical as a guide. My only thing is when you flip the tire won't the wire spool fold or lump? its a different size flipped even with the hair spray bottle guide. A lumping tire won' fix after balancing. its a good idea but you tire still balloons from that slack after its flipped. if there's lumps car will bounce bad. i have to see it myself.
Yes, thicker, flatter string or ribbon would work better. I used thread because it's cheap, under $4/spool. Having the tire inside out does affect it's shape. The diameter of what ever you're using as a backup is critical. In my case, a hair spray bottle proved to be the perfect size for my tires. If you wrap the thread tight enough, the rubber "crushes" down to the backup, so you get a uniform diameter across the tread.
The rims seems different in both tests, plus, the modded tire seems (from what i can see) to vibrate more than the non-modded one. Is there any downside to this mod?
The tires are the same in the before/after, but the rims are different. The "before" tires are the first set I bought and glued up just as cheap grip tires for my drift car. The "after" tires are the same style tires from the same vendor, but reinforced and mounted on a different set of wheels for when I decided to make my drifter a speed run car. The after tires do vibrate more in the video, but they're spinning twice as fast and I didn't have them balanced perfectly yet. At the same speed as the non-reinforced tires, there was no noticeable vibration. There is no real down side other than the time it takes to do it, and it's not necessary unless you want to go really, really fast.
No Idea where you can find it down there locally. I got it at Ace Hardware, and there are a few places online that sell it. I tried a bunch of different glues, this was the only one that really worked. The others I tried either didn't stick well enough to the rubber, or dried too hard and cracked.
finally someone is using there brains. duct tape gorilla won't work right for 1/10 touring it such a small tire. if the tape is off the wheels will be deformed. Slightest imperfection car just will not handle the speed. I tried window screening but used that CA glue just didn't hold as I did a pull test. The epoxy should work I have to experiment but those 32mm wide tires aren't cheap. Wouldn't a thicker flat string be better? when you flip the tire it doesn't effect its shap or size?
I use gorilla tape with 3m adhesive inside tire and still get baloonig at 60mph, is the kelvar thread the best or can you use kevlar tape or cloth? will it affect tire shape?
@@JeffTanko hi Jeff! what adhesive will stick to rc ruber tires other than the stuff in your vid here? gorilla glue? cant crack right? ca is hard to apply inside tires without brush? contact cement is no good for curves??
No idea, I tried a lot of things that didn't work. Ideally you want something that sticks but stays flexible enough that it won't crack. A lot of the flexible glues I tries didn't stick well enough. CA glue will work in a pinch, but it dries hard and will crack. This may or may not be an issue, as long as it stays stuck to the tire to the kevlar can do it's job it should work.
No idea, I tried a lot of things that didn't work. Ideally you want something that sticks but stays flexible enough that it won't crack. A lot of the flexible glues I tries didn't stick well enough. CA glue will work in a pinch, but it dries hard and will crack. This may or may not be an issue, as long as it stays stuck to the tire to the kevlar can do it's job it should work.
The glue needs to be good enough to hold the kevlar thread to the rubber so that the rubber can not balloon. If the glue does not stick or comes loose in use, then the tire will balloon. If you use a different glue then what I used in the video, it may not work for you.
Maybe, that's an awful big tire. You might want to use a flexible CA glue instead of the stuff I used. It sticks much better, but even the flexible variety will crack if flexed to far.
That would be fine for a big offroad tire on an E-Revo or something, but these tires are intended for a 100 MPH 1/10 speed run car. Tape will not be even enough and it would be very difficult to get the wheels to balance well enough for those speeds.
duct tape wont work for touring car unless you want your car to run less than perfect. That bs works for big bubble off road tires you can stick your whole hand and tape it. Those rc's just bounce around in dirt, 1/10 touring is more refined RC.
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That's why the diameter of your back up is so important. Ideally, your wrapped diameter should be the same as an unwrapped tire. If it's the right size, there should be no slack in the thread. I tested it with slack too, the thread slacked evenly around the tire, and it ballooned slightly but evenly until the slack was taken up. Keep in mind that this is a $7 set of tires that, when done properly, will handle 100 MPH. This process is intended as a low cost option for people looking to go fast.
Yes. It doesn't throw them as far out of balance, and is much lighter. Tape works well for moderate speeds of 60-70 mph, but it's not strong enough for the super high speeds I need(100+)
I'm building my first 1/10 scale buggy (Team Associated B44.3) and I wanted to do everything right the first time. I have been in hunt of the perfect way(s) to setup my My tires and rims. So far my application consist of Electron 2.2" M4 Off-Rd Buggy Tires (Front & Back) with DE Racing Rims. I have not found a video on how to choose foam inserts so I will be using the ones that come with the Electron 2.2" M4s.
Out of every technique I have seen on the net, your method seems to be the most logical approach of preventing ballooning. Is there anything special one should do to the foam inserts after using the Tonko Kevlar tire belting method?
The air pressure is the same, but I squeezed the trigger much further. If I had squeezed the trigger all the way before the tire was belted, it would have exploded.
shouldnt you put the glue on first then use the twine so it will stick no be loose?
can you glue first if it does not dry quick?? how long did yours take to dry??
how long does it take for the glue to dry
i see the wire spooled has something cylindrical as a guide. My only thing is when you flip the tire won't the wire spool fold or lump? its a different size flipped even with the hair spray bottle guide. A lumping tire won' fix after balancing. its a good idea but you tire still balloons from that slack after its flipped. if there's lumps car will bounce bad. i have to see it myself.
what about contact cement?
if you have a chance to get your hands on 32mm tire with the same process, post a video i'd really like to see this.
Yes, thicker, flatter string or ribbon would work better. I used thread because it's cheap, under $4/spool. Having the tire inside out does affect it's shape. The diameter of what ever you're using as a backup is critical. In my case, a hair spray bottle proved to be the perfect size for my tires. If you wrap the thread tight enough, the rubber "crushes" down to the backup, so you get a uniform diameter across the tread.
JeffTanko why you need a 100 mph? you can even see it and it’s dangerous...
The rims seems different in both tests, plus, the modded tire seems (from what i can see) to vibrate more than the non-modded one. Is there any downside to this mod?
The tires are the same in the before/after, but the rims are different. The "before" tires are the first set I bought and glued up just as cheap grip tires for my drift car. The "after" tires are the same style tires from the same vendor, but reinforced and mounted on a different set of wheels for when I decided to make my drifter a speed run car. The after tires do vibrate more in the video, but they're spinning twice as fast and I didn't have them balanced perfectly yet. At the same speed as the non-reinforced tires, there was no noticeable vibration. There is no real down side other than the time it takes to do it, and it's not necessary unless you want to go really, really fast.
where can I get the equivalent to that cement, I'm in Florida and I can't seem to find that brand of poxy cement
No Idea where you can find it down there locally. I got it at Ace Hardware, and there are a few places online that sell it. I tried a bunch of different glues, this was the only one that really worked. The others I tried either didn't stick well enough to the rubber, or dried too hard and cracked.
thanks I really appreciate the information
finally someone is using there brains. duct tape gorilla won't work right for 1/10 touring it such a small tire. if the tape is off the wheels will be deformed. Slightest imperfection car just will not handle the speed. I tried window screening but used that CA glue just didn't hold as I did a pull test. The epoxy should work I have to experiment but those 32mm wide tires aren't cheap. Wouldn't a thicker flat string be better? when you flip the tire it doesn't effect its shap or size?
I use gorilla tape with 3m adhesive inside tire and still get baloonig at 60mph, is the kelvar thread the best or can you use kevlar tape or cloth? will it affect tire shape?
Kevlar tape or cloth would probably work too, as long as you can find a way to get it to stick to the tire
@@JeffTanko what about Fiberglass Tape Filament Strapping Tape
@@43rocket No idea, you'll have to experiment.
@@JeffTanko hi Jeff! what adhesive will stick to rc ruber tires other than the stuff in your vid here? gorilla glue? cant crack right? ca is hard to apply inside tires without brush? contact cement is no good for curves??
what glue is comparable to this putty, do they still make it?
No idea, I tried a lot of things that didn't work. Ideally you want something that sticks but stays flexible enough that it won't crack. A lot of the flexible glues I tries didn't stick well enough. CA glue will work in a pinch, but it dries hard and will crack. This may or may not be an issue, as long as it stays stuck to the tire to the kevlar can do it's job it should work.
Looks like this glue/cement is no longer made. Any recommendations?
No idea, I tried a lot of things that didn't work. Ideally you want something that sticks but stays flexible enough that it won't crack. A lot of the flexible glues I tries didn't stick well enough. CA glue will work in a pinch, but it dries hard and will crack. This may or may not be an issue, as long as it stays stuck to the tire to the kevlar can do it's job it should work.
JeffTanko, understood. I may try a combination of CA and e6000
Tried it and it doesnt work. hope can a string be inside a tire if the the outside balloons.
The glue needs to be good enough to hold the kevlar thread to the rubber so that the rubber can not balloon. If the glue does not stick or comes loose in use, then the tire will balloon. If you use a different glue then what I used in the video, it may not work for you.
send me the link on amazon for this cheap thread, cant find it!
www.amazon.com/Kevlar-Thread-Sewing-Strong-Natural/dp/B07GPWF2HV/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=kevlar%2Bthread&qid=1596336257&sr=8-1&th=1
can you uese 3m adhesive spray to stick this thread down?? where you but kevlar thread??
3M spray might work if you get the really sticky kind, you'll have to test it out. I got a spool of kevlar thread on e-bay. It was pretty cheap.
@@JeffTanko ive used drywall tape with 3m spray but it does not stop balooning, will this work with thread?
@@43rocket If the glue is not strong enough it won't work. If it was the drywall tape breaking then the kevlar thread will help.
@@JeffTanko if I cant find the kevlar thread, is polyester thread good?
@@JeffTanko how tight should you wrap thread around tire???
should i wait 24hrs to dry
It should be dry now
what is the thickness of the string you use?
The thread I used is 3/0 Kevlar thread.
@@JeffTanko how many mm?
@@43rocket You're going to have to google that yourself, I don't know how thread sizes convert to traditional measurements
@@JeffTanko can you say it less than a mm thick, yours?
Maybe, that's an awful big tire. You might want to use a flexible CA glue instead of the stuff I used. It sticks much better, but even the flexible variety will crack if flexed to far.
Why not just use Kevlar tape? You can buy it just like Duct Tape.
That would be fine for a big offroad tire on an E-Revo or something, but these tires are intended for a 100 MPH 1/10 speed run car. Tape will not be even enough and it would be very difficult to get the wheels to balance well enough for those speeds.
duct tape wont work for touring car unless you want your car to run less than perfect. That bs works for big bubble off road tires you can stick your whole hand and tape it. Those rc's just bounce around in dirt, 1/10 touring is more refined RC.