Gorgona Panama. What's it Really Like to Live There?

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  • Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024

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  • @cecismith507
    @cecismith507 Год назад +15

    I admire you. I am from Panama, We moved from the USA, back to Panama with my husband and kids, exactly in the Coronado in front of the beach, I could walk to the beach, we had a house, but I didn't like it. When you leave near the beach the salt and the air from the ocean make your hair like if you have glue on the hair. The kids enjoy the time there. We went to El Valle and stay there some weekends, it was really nice, never had a problem leaving the house, well we had a person that watch the home all the time, even when were home. The area of Coronado and Gorgona are excellent. My favorite beach is Santa Clara. We use to go shopping to Coronado or Penonome. Yes, it always better to have a hospital in mind. You went to Penonome Hospital, Wow. Couldn't communicate with the nurses. Many doctors in Panama knows English, some may know more than others. Panamanians due have social security if you work, you pay on every paycheck and with that you can be seen at any hospital and it cover you. But if you are American and go to a public hospital and you don't have the Social Security from Panama, all they do is they will charge you but it is not a huge amount compare to the USA.

  • @ourblazingworld
    @ourblazingworld 3 года назад +16

    I knew if I kept watching long enough I would finally see an area that spoke to me LOL. thanks for continuing to post and inform on different areas!

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it! We have several new videos coming out soon! There are so many nice places to live in Panama!

  • @sanash3827
    @sanash3827 11 месяцев назад +5

    We loved this video, thank you for taking the time to share your new life!

  • @vanessarobertson5251
    @vanessarobertson5251 4 месяца назад +2

    Their rental condo is soooo gorgeous!!

  • @vincedavis7426
    @vincedavis7426 Месяц назад +2

    As a lifelong native of the great state of California, the escalating cost of living is rapidly pushing me out of my beloved state. I long for a slower yet affordable place to live as I draw closer to my retirement. This video is like a God send as it appears to be right up my alley. Thank you for posting this video, I will be in contact as I have additional questions. Cheers

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  Месяц назад

      @@vincedavis7426 come see how you can LIVE BETTER for LESS in Panama. Check out additional information at www.PanamaRelocationTours.com or send an email to info@PanamaRelocationTours.com

  • @MoonRiseCottageSoulTarot
    @MoonRiseCottageSoulTarot 3 года назад +12

    lovely couple, thank you for your time to help inform us all who think about this

  • @martyh4777
    @martyh4777 3 года назад +12

    Beautiful apartment and place. Makes perfect sense to RENT first until one finds the right location.

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +6

      Sometimes it make sense to ONLY rent so you have the flexibility to move to a different area any time you want to.

  • @curtismills303
    @curtismills303 2 года назад +2

    My wife and I have been looking at moving to Panama. Very glad i clicked on your video. Thank you for sharing.

  • @robertgulfshores4463
    @robertgulfshores4463 3 года назад +10

    Really nice. Yes, I want to do the same thing ... living in a few different places, moving around, and stopping when I have found the right place. Thank you for another great video, nice people.

  • @LifeAmongTheWildflowers
    @LifeAmongTheWildflowers 3 года назад +20

    They seem like such happy, pleasant people. Seems to be a common theme with the people moving there! Can’t wait to join them. Great job on the videos! Your channel is really growing!

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +4

      Thanks for watching the video! Glad you enjoyed it. 99% of the people who move to Panama LOVE it. There are a few who can't adjust to the slower pace of live and the different culture.

  • @jobethk588
    @jobethk588 3 года назад +11

    Wow! The rent was way more reasonable than I expected!

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +2

      the rent price we listed is for the condo we showed at the END of the video. That is not the rent that Alicia and Jerry are paying. They prefer not to discuss what their rent is.

    • @TerrydeAlaska
      @TerrydeAlaska 3 года назад +2

      @@PanamaRelocationTours Is this for a six month or 12 month lease or just month to month? Thanks

    • @holgermessner851
      @holgermessner851 3 года назад +4

      I just was thinking about the $1,000 2BR 2B rent. That’s not furnished like the one the couple has. We got with friends in this building to check some apartments out. I’m only guessing but this couple pays around $1,800 maybe $1,500 covid19 discounted a month what includes maintenance fee of if I remember correctly $150 a month. Again. Panama City and Coronado are not a cheap place to live. To buy in this building a apartment it’s in the mid $200,000 plus area. Many apartments are empty - as usual in Panama. And do please not compare European / US rent with Panamanian rent. I have absolutely no idea why US Expats do this. You do not move to a different State. It’s Panama. Normal income $600 - 1,500 monthly. So no. You will not find a local mixed community in this buildings in Gorgona/Coronado area. Well. If you count the people working for $600 a month to give you a nice stay - than it’s mixed. / I have Expat friends who don’t like to leave the city, don’t like to live without their own volks surrounding them 24/7. Every person is different. Example? If you go to REY to get your groceries in Coronado it’s like in the USA. Customers are I would say 40% Americans. If you need this, Coronado is for you. No bumper to bumper traffic like in PTY. I drove for living half of my working live. I can’t leave the big cities fast enough. That’s not why I came to Panama. I like it quite. I had enough hectic days before. Do I miss a nice club to hang out and dance? Absolutely! But I can book a weekend in a hotel in PTY and do this. Anyway. Like most of this videos are suggesting. Go around and check out the areas. Raining every day in PANAMA city & Boquete, dry weather in Las Tablas & Pedasi, hot weather in David? It’s all here. / And yes. I do understand that this are commercial videos. Promising a better live…..

  • @periwinkle363
    @periwinkle363 3 года назад +7

    Oh my what great info. I am sure hearing their story will help many!!

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching the video Alicia and Jerry LOVE living in Panama!

  • @brucemontrose
    @brucemontrose 3 года назад +7

    Excellent! These 2 are pretty awesome.

  • @marioschweizer1353
    @marioschweizer1353 3 года назад +12

    looks incredible there

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +2

      It's absolutely amazing! Come see how you can live BETTER in Panama too!

  • @dorotheamohibi7342
    @dorotheamohibi7342 3 года назад +7

    Great information. Your place is beautiful.

  • @sergiorigon3855
    @sergiorigon3855 2 года назад +7

    Maravillosa panama saludos desde suiza 🇨🇭

  • @grcerosa
    @grcerosa Месяц назад

    Fabulous guys.
    Jackie is wonderful 😊

  • @miahsalazar8698
    @miahsalazar8698 3 года назад +5

    Love this for you Alicia ❤️ It’s gorgeous! You both look so great

  • @TheodoreHenderson
    @TheodoreHenderson 3 года назад +5

    Nice couple and interview.

  • @philipgeorge8101
    @philipgeorge8101 3 года назад +6

    Nice video, good info and nice videographer. Looking forward to visiting Panama in January.

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +1

      You should! You will enjoy Panama. We do offer private tours of the most popular places to live in Panama. see panamarelocationtours.com/private-tours

  • @sharonnau3918
    @sharonnau3918 3 года назад +4

    What a beautiful life you both have.

  • @terryparish7133
    @terryparish7133 3 года назад +5

    Great information video thank you for sharing

  • @amazing-osky2052
    @amazing-osky2052 3 года назад +6

    Excellent video.

  • @pernillewarren8134
    @pernillewarren8134 3 года назад +6

    Im looking forward to read your book When you are finishen with it

  • @sophiarutledge3667
    @sophiarutledge3667 2 года назад +1

    Hello from Corpus Christi! Love your video, helpful information.

  • @juliocoffre2641
    @juliocoffre2641 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for the video. I was just in Panama 2 weeks Ago and looking forward to the day when my wife and I settle down there someday. Still have time till I retire.

  • @Nere950
    @Nere950 2 года назад +2

    From New York . .there are many
    People from USA already in Panama
    Doing they life over there...
    Compare to USA..there is more
    Cheaper the life in Panama...
    Tank you for sharing your new life
    In Panama..The only think see you
    Don't have a Hospital in Gorgona.
    You have a good view, near the beach..God bless.

  • @tony-ce7qp
    @tony-ce7qp 3 года назад +3

    im happy you were ok thank God!

  • @tony-ce7qp
    @tony-ce7qp 3 года назад +2

    you both seem so nice and im glad your so happy there!

  • @trevandtina6323
    @trevandtina6323 9 месяцев назад +2

    We can't wait for May 2nd 2024 when we land in Panama to start our new lives

  • @bartonofarrell3920
    @bartonofarrell3920 2 года назад +3

    Fantastic lady so beautiful. So,blessing too you both on living in such a great place and great country.

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  2 года назад +1

      Thanks so much! Panama is an amazing and beautiful country

    • @bartonofarrell3920
      @bartonofarrell3920 2 года назад

      @@PanamaRelocationToursyes I have a paradise on earth here in my place. I am blessed. But my second dream is Panama. I try to visit my dear friend once a year

  • @MarvelousMusic1
    @MarvelousMusic1 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great video! Thank you so much!

  • @cyndigirl418
    @cyndigirl418 Год назад +1

    This is another beautiful area in Panama! I'd consider moving there, but I don't plan to have a car in Panama, and that area looks like you'd be car dependent to get around. It must be scary living so far away from a hospital in case of an emergency. I'm glad you were able to get good treatment and recover.

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  Год назад +1

      Taxis are available but life would definitely be easier if you have a car there.

  • @danibuffen8991
    @danibuffen8991 2 года назад +2

    Beautiful thank you great video

  • @Pattybluehayes
    @Pattybluehayes 3 года назад +8

    Make sure to have dinner at La Parada Malibu. It’s on the street across from the police station. Great food/people ☺️

  • @edwardtenes6507
    @edwardtenes6507 3 года назад +25

    Forgot, am 75 years young and have a local Panamanian doctor who is two miles away and during my last check up visit said l don’t look a day over 54! To keep this young boyish body l need to drink two Panamanian beers a day which l do at the local Panamanian outdoor patio bar across the street from the bus stop. Yes life is good here. My doctor gave me his personal cellphone number to call l l needed his help. Try that in the States.

  • @glenntucker69
    @glenntucker69 3 года назад +1

    Alicia (or Alisha, sp?) is THE YELLOW ROSE OF TEXAS!!!! Dude, you out-punted your punt coverage! 👍

  • @venusreena2532
    @venusreena2532 3 года назад +3

    Gorgana looks sweet

  • @terryparish7133
    @terryparish7133 8 месяцев назад +1

    Great video

  • @kevinvilleneuve1979
    @kevinvilleneuve1979 Год назад +1

    Awesome place! But That one Tostitos bag that's upside down....lol! @ 6:00 ....is it just me? :))

  • @samiammons2024
    @samiammons2024 3 года назад +6

    Coming in Nov. How can we meet up with ex pats in Panama City & Bocas?

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +1

      A great way to meet up with expats in Panama is to take a Private Tour. panamarelocationtours.com/private-tours

  • @jeffkravitz9109
    @jeffkravitz9109 9 месяцев назад +1

    Nice vid. - Did your apartment come furnished?

  • @MarketManiaCA
    @MarketManiaCA Год назад

    They've sold me on Gorgona

  • @caterinac534
    @caterinac534 3 года назад +3

    Nice!

  • @robertbarchan6976
    @robertbarchan6976 3 года назад +3

    Great video love it beautiful country,How much is the rent in a place like that?

  • @drtrip8313
    @drtrip8313 2 года назад +1

    @3:55 is that Penn from Penn and Teller lol

  • @marcicamenisch3367
    @marcicamenisch3367 3 года назад +8

    I am curious, was the hospital bill of $1300 after insurance or the total cash amount? If insurance, what type of insurance policy do they have?

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +7

      The hospital bill was $1300 total. No insurance! They do not have insurance in Panama because medical care is so affordable.

    • @Leonardo-1
      @Leonardo-1 3 года назад

      @@PanamaRelocationTours
      Medical care is so affordable? For who? The locals or the retirees?

    • @joelmadrid2193
      @joelmadrid2193 3 года назад +2

      @@Leonardo-1 medical care in panama! is so affordable for everyone!!

    • @cecismith507
      @cecismith507 Год назад +1

      If you work in Panama you pay on every pay check an amount, it is not really high as the USA and that is your Social Security (this is your medical coverage in Panama and part also go to the retirement) and if you are paying that you can go to any Panamanian Public Hospital and you don't have to pay anything. Now, you can buy insurance Thru Santa Fe Hospital, Hospital Nacional, they have their own plan and is not Thousands of $, the doctors there are really good. The care in the Panama Hospital is not bad, they know what they are doing. Many Panamanian doctors studied in the USA and other countries.
      Now, if you are an American all they do is just charge you for the service and is not going to be a lot of $$$ compare to what you pay in the USA. In public hospitals you have to pay with cash.
      They are also private clinics that are good in Panama, like Bella Vista Clinic. They have two American Hospitals, they are in the city.
      They have ambulance services, you just need to look in the phone directory and buy their plan.

  • @jeffreydaniels7519
    @jeffreydaniels7519 3 года назад +4

    I am interested in what a condo like that costs?

    • @MyKeeP81
      @MyKeeP81 2 года назад

      a few hundred grand tops. it is probably around 250,000-$275,000 USD now

  • @007Jay100
    @007Jay100 3 года назад +4

    Thank you for the awesome video. So much info.. quick question.. do you still have to pay taxes in the United States?

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +2

      Glad you liked the video. US citizens still have to pay taxes in the US. If you have active income, you could qualify for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion which would exclude $107,000 of you income from being taxable.

  • @wahooandy1
    @wahooandy1 2 года назад +1

    How do you like the all night partying and music just North of you by the river?

  • @nmm190
    @nmm190 2 года назад +2

    What are the names of some of those condo towers? Or are most of them rentals?

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  2 года назад +2

      Bahia, Royal Palm, Coronado Bay, Coronado Country Club are the names of some of the condo towers. They all have rentals.

  • @wongsayrine8156
    @wongsayrine8156 3 года назад +3

    Hi. That’s amazing. How much that condo cost?

  • @Grimgrak1
    @Grimgrak1 2 года назад +2

    So can the public access this seafood market with the giant prawns? If so is there a name to the store?

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  2 года назад +1

      There are several sea food markets. I think she was talking about the one in Rio Hato, driving west, it is on the left side before the airport.

  • @gilcantrell4148
    @gilcantrell4148 2 года назад +2

    Great video!!! I might have missed it, but is this a furnished apt. for $1000 a month??

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  2 года назад +3

      see the description for the video. They pay a bit more than $1000 per month but would prefer not to mention their exact rent

  • @troymills9437
    @troymills9437 14 дней назад

    Alicia & Jerry, just now seeing this video 3 years after the fact. Hope you see my message. I couldn't believe it when you said you came from FloMo! My wife and I lived in FloMo for 22 years before retiring and moving to Mexico a little over 7 years ago. Are y'all still renting the place in this video or have you since moved on? If so, where? It would be great if we could connect via email, whatsapp, or FB Messenger and share stories about our expat lives and previous life in FloMo.

  • @vickyvargas-montalvo8111
    @vickyvargas-montalvo8111 3 года назад +2

    Did you buy or rent? What price range?

  • @davidjordan4042
    @davidjordan4042 2 года назад +4

    Since most if not all rentals come furnished, how do you get rid of furniture that you do not like or want? Example: If you want to have an office instead of a bedroom.

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  2 года назад

      Some owners will allow you to move unwanted furniture to their storage room but other landlords will say that nothing can be removed from the house because they have no place to put it.

  • @davidkyle2073
    @davidkyle2073 26 дней назад

    Great video. Thanks for sharing! I'm curious about rental prices as AirBnB costs are about triple those stated here. Is it best to rent through a real estate agent or elsewhere? Thanks in advance...

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  26 дней назад

      Long term rental prices are always WAY less than short term rental prices. Panama agents and landlords take full advantage of the "snowbird" season, jacking up prices to twice what normal prices are.

  • @victorcordova7278
    @victorcordova7278 3 года назад +4

    Do I need to have a visa before I rent? What if my wife is a Panamanian citizen, can i eent while I apply for residence?Do I need a local bank account?

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +2

      You do not need a visa to rent. You do not need a local bank account but it will make your life so much easier if you get one.

  • @xenawarriorkween3274
    @xenawarriorkween3274 3 года назад +2

    How is internet in this area? Is it stable? Fast?

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад

      fiber optics there -- 100+ mpbs

    • @xenawarriorkween3274
      @xenawarriorkween3274 3 года назад

      @@PanamaRelocationTours OMG!!! Which building is that? Also when is your next tour??

    • @Leonardo-1
      @Leonardo-1 3 года назад

      @@xenawarriorkween3274
      The internet is sporadic at best ...

    • @MyKeeP81
      @MyKeeP81 2 года назад

      @@Leonardo-1 it can be for sure

  • @scottheady3577
    @scottheady3577 Год назад +1

    I love she still wears sexy shoes! Rock it girl! Love his ponytail, way to go dude! You both are an inspiration for my wife and I! Thank you!

  • @Englisheasy2
    @Englisheasy2 3 года назад +2

    Guys is it similar to Miami ??? I mean the weather, ocean and so forth? I can't get in to Miami no more :((( and looking for an alturnative.

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад

      No hurricanes in Panama!

    • @Englisheasy2
      @Englisheasy2 3 года назад

      @@PanamaRelocationTours I see. Thank you!! But is it as chill as in Miami in the winter???

  • @Kristoferwitha_k
    @Kristoferwitha_k 3 года назад +2

    Lol I'm paying $546.00 for a studio unfurnished in Puerto Vallarta. Damn....this place is gorgeous for less than double and furnished

    • @alsteeves2044
      @alsteeves2044 7 месяцев назад

      And no charge for the cartels, what a deal

  • @cecismith507
    @cecismith507 Год назад

    I think the area for me will be more like El Valle or something where is near the mountains.

  • @crowder4073
    @crowder4073 7 месяцев назад

    I was surprised when she mentioned her hospital bill was under $1,300 dollars. Is that was private or public hospital? Is public that is pretty expensive.

  • @tanishakankam1856
    @tanishakankam1856 Год назад +1

    What was that shipping service they use to ship amazon to PTY? FastBox?? Can you share the link please?

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  Год назад

      The shipping service you use will depend on where you live in Panama. panamarelocationtours.com/how-to-get-amazon-orders-and-mail-in-panama

  • @whatareuthinking1
    @whatareuthinking1 3 года назад +2

    congrats guys how did you pick this location ?s how big of a obstacle is language ? I don't speak a lick of Spanish. Tv/internet....expensive to come back to us? Ballpark on rent?

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад

      When they came on a PanamaRelocationTour.com we visited that area and they fell in love. They knew that was where they wanted to live. You do not need to be fluent in Spanish in that area. TV and internet (100mbps) is $64 a month. Rent ranges from $900 to $1600 a month for a furnished rental

  • @juneallison7052
    @juneallison7052 3 года назад +3

    ❤❤❤!!!

  • @MyKeeP81
    @MyKeeP81 2 года назад +2

    This area is VERY QUIET. My parents just sold their condo down the street in Coronado. These towers are nice though Ive been there multiple times

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  2 года назад +1

      It's very quiet unless it's the weekend, then it can get a bit noisy

  • @julietschida9114
    @julietschida9114 3 года назад +1

    So you don’t have international health insurance?

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +1

      They are getting Panama health insurance which is only $102 per month!!

  • @saiedramezanian3479
    @saiedramezanian3479 Год назад

    How far is Gorgona to Panama city ......????

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  Год назад

      Gorgona is about 1 1/2 hour drive to Panama City (depending on time of day and traffic)

  • @tonyglen33
    @tonyglen33 2 года назад +1

    I didn't know Jeff Bridges lived in Panama!

  • @angelastewart9497
    @angelastewart9497 18 дней назад +1

    Look like Florida

  • @p.c.h.6721
    @p.c.h.6721 2 года назад +1

    So Panama 🇵🇦 or Mexico 🇲🇽?

  • @craigharting9217
    @craigharting9217 3 года назад +1

    Been two both sides/ where is this place?

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +1

      This video is in Gorgona Panama which is a few miles east of Coronado.

  • @sergiorigon3855
    @sergiorigon3855 2 года назад +2

    Waoooooo waoooooo

  • @chuckheschmeyer4609
    @chuckheschmeyer4609 7 месяцев назад

    Are you still living in Gorgona? Are you still happy in Panama since this video was made?

  • @laurencewainwright
    @laurencewainwright 3 года назад +1

    The sand looks pretty polluted.

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +9

      The sand is not polluted. It is black and brown sand in that area. The black sand looks like diamonds when the sun hit it.

    • @fanfare100
      @fanfare100 3 года назад +5

      @@PanamaRelocationTours Some of the sand has iron in it too. Sometimes you can attract some of it with a magnet. It won't hurt you. :D

    • @Leonardo-1
      @Leonardo-1 3 года назад

      You right Mr. LAURENCE ....
      Those beaches are not as clean as you would think and in some spots the sand looks uninviting.

    • @Leonardo-1
      @Leonardo-1 3 года назад

      You are right mr. LAURENCE...
      The beaches are not that great.

    • @MyKeeP81
      @MyKeeP81 2 года назад

      @@Leonardo-1 i can agree that the beaches are not that nice, but there are not polluted

  • @HypocriticYT
    @HypocriticYT 3 года назад +3

    I could live on shrimp and fish!!.

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад

      You'd do very well in Panama. Fish and shrimp are super affordable in Panama and FRESH!

  • @glennkwong7415
    @glennkwong7415 2 года назад +1

    U have beautiful apt and u wife looks so beautiful and young. I live in north Miami Beach ( Sunny Isles Beach) one block from the beach with ocean and bay view, Donald Trump built 7 buildings along the ocean front. Now that city is booming , condo expenses & property tax keep going up and up, the crime also going up in South Beach. I am looking some place quiet and less guns like Pan city.

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  2 года назад

      Come see how you can live better for less in Panama! panamarelocationtours.com/tours

  • @bestoftimes80s
    @bestoftimes80s 3 года назад +3

    I like Panama, but the crime in Central America is out of control.

    • @PanamaRelocationTours
      @PanamaRelocationTours  3 года назад +3

      Not in Panama. You need to do the research!

    • @Leonardo-1
      @Leonardo-1 3 года назад

      There is crime in Panamá ! And some of the crime is being committed by the local police.

    • @wholesalepreneur6175
      @wholesalepreneur6175 3 года назад

      @Robert Ferrell have you ever been to Panama to back up your statement?

    • @elconocimientoespoder1521
      @elconocimientoespoder1521 3 года назад +1

      @@Leonardo-1 crimes happens everywhere! But in Panamá the rate os low.

    • @MyKeeP81
      @MyKeeP81 2 года назад +1

      Panama is VERY safe. My family just sold their condo down the street from this place. I have been 5 times over the last 6 years