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Can law students behind anti-Israel letters be stopped from joining the bar? | Dan Abrams Live
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2023
- More than a dozen business executives and CEOs are asking Harvard University to reveal the names of the students who signed a letter blaming Israel for the attack by Hamas. Now, one law professor is looking to take it a step further. John Banzhaf, a professor of public interest law at George Washington University, thinks law students associated with the letter should not be admitted to the bar and should not be permitted to become lawyers at all. Banzhaf joins NewsNation host Dan Abrams to discuss.
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People have their beliefs. Who cares? The US media is trying to steer public opinion in one direction. BS.
Exactly.
That's _not_ journalism.
Let's not regress into McCarthyism.
US media seems to want that with its message, "Be scared! Be very, very scared!!!"
What’s so bad about The Beatles?
Too late!
Sincerely,
WMDs in Iraq
Ukraine
COVID-19
A character and fitness exam. I love that!
I'd like it more for elected officials.
Yeah, but also consider the source _of_ that exam.
If Lawyers were “Held to a much Higher standard” and there was a legitimate
“Character & Fitness” exam, there would be LITTLE to NO Lawyers left !!!
THIS is RETALIATION against those who REFUSE to bow down; against an individual’s RIGHT to FREEDOM of SPEECH !!!
Speech promoting militant massacres has consequences.
Refuse to bow down? So brave! Show your face at least!
Soooo are they also going to suggest that people who are loudly and proudly anti-Black or think women are inherently inferior to men should be barred from joining the bar?
Are they saying the acts of Hamas were justified or are they saying they support the people of Palestine? There are innocent people on both sides of this mess and none of them deserve what has happened to them. Hamas has doomed Palestinians in Gaza for their disgusting barbarity. Israel cutting of electricity, food and water to an area with 2.5 million people with 50% of those are children. It is a war crime and should not be celebrated. My heart goes out to the innocent people on both sides of this issue. If these students are supporting the actions of Hamas, I question their humanity. As someone going to law school next year, I wouldn't want to sit next to someone like that. However, they should not be deprived of their career for their protected speech.
Yes. Where would we draw the line on what opinions are too odious for you to practice American law?
Yes, but Hamas is the fault _of_ Israel.
They financially supported their existence back when Yassir Arafat led the PLO. Hamas was originally designed to be a buffer between Israel and the PLO. This reminds me of how the United States propped up Saddam Hussein in Iraq to take out his and theirs' enemies, just to watch Saddam go rogue, which was the WMD lie perpetrated to take _him_ out. This is the ugly cousin of that move.
@@saltytwofer, plus, "odious" is in the eye of the beholder.
How can some of them still support Hamas when all that money they were given should've gone through building infrastructures, water, electricity and food supply instead of piling up weapons and ammunitions. Instead they still want to rely on Israel for all that for free. Now they're surprised they got cut off? You wage war on them of course this was bound to happen.
Israel is not under any obligation to supply their enemy with resources or would you argue that during WW11 the USA airforce should have been dropping food parcels over Germany rather than bombs. In 2005 when Israel left Gaza it was virtually self sufficient in water and electricity, had a thriving horticultural industry and a flourishing international tourist trade. Hamas distroyed these assets and have been diggin up the water pipes to use as bodies for their rockets. Free speech does not include a right to threaten to kill.
Lol whatever happened to free speech pple are soo sensitive
AGREE. ..What kind if ghouls are these brainwashed people....
Look who's talking. 🙄
They never do this for the Christians
If evangelicals start beheading babies, they will.
Don't try and make this a religion thing. It's not gonna end well for you.
@@NStalgia070 . Yeah Jews shouldn’t be part of any Christian nation. It’s chaos after chaos.
@@NStalgia070Now that's a threat.
@@anannoyedpanda your comprehension is pretty low. We're debating about atrocities committed by religions in present times. Explain how that's a threat.
we need to stand up for free speech here. criticism of israel is not anti-semitism. and israel is not the 51st state.
Where is free speech?
THUMBS DOWN!!!!
well, it's their companies, their business, their prerogative, especially if those leadership are jewish, it's their right to exercise their prerogative...
which bank would want to hire avowed robbers and cheaters?
similarly, which jewish businesses would want to hire anti-semites? knowingly they are up to attack jews, and definitely would sabotage jewish businesses...?
:(October 7, 2023 Israeli Festival attack had people killed raped homes nearby were invaded and families killed.
Saw a video of this student tearing down victims posters saying it didn’t happen and it was false information:(
Free speech. Free speech.
Free speech.
THUMBS DOWN!!!!
it's their companies, their business, their prerogative, especially if those leadership are jewish, it's their right to exercise their prerogative...
which bank would want to hire avowed robbers and cheaters?
similarly, which jewish businesses would want to hire anti-semites? knowingly they are up to attack jews, and definitely would sabotage jewish businesses...
Love it. Making them answer to this in their fitness test.
People should be entitled to their own beliefs whether you like it or not
THUMBS DOWN!!!!
their companies, their business, their prerogative, especially if those leadership are jewish, it's their right to exercise their prerogative...
which bank would want to hire avowed robbers and cheaters?
similarly, which jewish businesses would want to hire anti-semites? knowingly they are up to attack jews, and would definitely sabotage jewish businesses...?
Everybody knows the one thing you can never do is question the Jew!
the most American man you can imagine was George S Patton Jr
google what was his opinion about jews.
Character fitness test for lawyers...I don't think any lawyer would qualify
Cancel culture!
Even if someone said something completely repulsive they should still be free to say it.
They won't working at KFC.
sure they can still say it but they cant join the bar
Anyone who backs terrorists and their evil deeds should have consequences.
Way to oversimplify a _very complicated_ subject. 🙄
@@Silence_Duder_Gooder beheaded babies, burning children alive, rape and mutilation of women is over simplified? Seems specifically targeting civilians of all ages, seems evil and yes terrorism. Stabbing a pregnant woman ripping out her baby and mutilating it seems like terrorism to me. Their is no justification of that. I stand against Hamas , a terrorist group who cares not even for the palestinians, who they use as human shields. Still to over simplified?
Imagine giving them power and a platform to potentially go into government one day. Imagine the types of agend they're going to push for. No matter who you support, wrong is wrong and if you're a decent human being you shouldn't be hesitant to call that out.
You don't have to support terrorists to not support Israel lol.
@@NStalgia070, but "right and wrong," where these two sides are concerned, have _always_ been up for debate. There is a long and sordid history here, so to act as though this only began two weeks ago is just ridiculous.
And to try and silence one side of this debate is also wrong. Attempting to mess with their livelihoods is also wrong. Twisting both their words and stance is wrong; conflation is wrong.
I would say that it's _more harmful_ to have so-called "representatives" in public office that can affect what goes on in this crisis, and elsewhere, who also hold "dual citizenship" with Israel, or any other country for that matter. Split loyalties only weaken our country more.
Saying that only one side is allowed to speak out while also saying they can only say things the way they're being sanctioned to say by large think tanks like AIPAC and their handlers is very _UN-_ American, and they need to bugger the fu(k off.
YES YES YES
Can't people have opinions anymore?
Not unless they comport with the official narrative, no.
We all witnessed this sort of crap after 9.11.01 and in the lead up to the illegal invasion of Iraq.
This is Old Hat.
Have you heard of ‘ Freedom of Speech’. Oh wait it does not apply when people talk about the Israeli policies.
That’s crazy 😝
Character and fitness, yes!! Let the woke judge the content of our character. 😂
I agree with John Banzhaf, there's no room for Jew hating Attorney's. Never admit any of them to the Bar!!
Agreed. Terrorist sympathizers should be barred from the bar
Yes! A single question would do it: Do you support the state of Israel?
No = Knowledge, clear thinking person
Yes = Terrorist supporter
The Jewish Zionists should be prohibited from the bar.
You're too much of an idiot to be determining who should be barred.
If you don't support Israel it doesn't mean you're a terrorist supporter.
Stop talking.
@@northernbohemianrealist1412I'll assume this is sarcasm.
Palestinians will parish in "THE FIRESTORM"!
So this guy is a defender of FREE SPEECH? lol
Yes they shud not be permitted to practiced.student should refrain from taking sides to a planned political agression and terrorist attacks.Highly unacceptable.thanks for ur suggestion sir.
They don´t need the bar...They don´t drink.
Ziofascism
This is crazy, I don't support what they said but this is anti-freedom. "It ain't no fun when the rabbit has the gun"
But i have a feeling, these students will scatter like roaches a nd hide
Towards the end of this interview, when Banzhaf stated, "rapists and murderers," he's not only myopically oversimplifying this conflict, but he's also spewing straight propaganda because there has yet to be one corroborated case of rape that was alleged to have happened. Just like the "beheaded babies" story. We have now found out that the origins of that story came from a reporter who said that she "heard soldiers" claim that was the case. She has since backed up from that statement, which is odd (not really) that our media has yet to report on it?
Anyone remember the "incubator babies" story?
This conflict goes back decades. This current conflict didn't just pop up overnight. And for people to try and mess with people's livelihoods over it is abhorrent. This is the same type of behavior we witnessed just after 9.11.01 and the illegal invasion of Iraq. People were treated in the same fashion. And now we can see just how wrong those people were back then.
Pulitzer Prize winner and former foreign war correspondent Chris Hedges was treated the same way by his employers at The New York Times when he highlighted that there was "no evidence of 'weapons of mass destruction' in Iraq. His editor told him to either shut up about it or they would fire him. So he quit.
The advent of this type of thing is called "atrocity propaganda." It's designed to justify upcoming atrocities. Well, if Hamas's actions weren't justified, why would Israel's upcoming actions be justified by the same metric?
I thought "two wrongs don't make a right"?
Ironically it's exactly the same thing they are doing to Trump and pretty much any Republican election fraud protesters, investigators or litigants.
It is ironic how Trump and many on the right side WITH the persecutors of the innocent.
Yes, maybe he overstated it. BUT there were approximately 2,000 fighters who crossed the border to massacre 1,400 and abduct 229 more. They targeted civilians solely because they are Israeli / Jewish. I don't think one should require video footage of rapes to believe this was an attack with medieval style beheadings and designed to cause civilian suffering. I heard that there was a militant who was looking for a weapon to behead an Israeli and he used a garden hoe to do it. I personally don't want to watch footage of people massacring and torturing thinking that they will be rewarded in the afterlife for their acts. Moreover, most of the hostages are still in the grips of Hamas. If they ARE being raped, they do not have any power to resist and they may never be freed so we may never know.
@@a.humanrightsactivist, _"I _*_heard_*_ that there was a militant who was looking for a weapon to behead an Israeli and he used a garden hoe to do it."_
Yeah *_"heard,"_* did you? You see, right there is the problem. That's called hearsay, Bub. Just like asking for evidence when it's been suggested that such a thing happened _is_ a thing.
Also, when you're outnumbered and outfinanced, mainly because the United States is a proxy for Israel, other types of tactics are going to be used. I'm referring to guerrilla tactics not rape or beheadings, which again, lacks critical attribution, because the sources for those allegations are biased.
The media doesn't help either. They enflame tensions all over the globe with _their_ biased reporting. They then feign shock when violence occurs?
Besides, bombs or beheadings, dead is dead. But the beheading garbage is designed to enflame viewers. Just like the "incubator babies" lie that happened over 30 years ago that gave justification for yet another illegal war to take place.
*_"If_*_ they ARE being raped"_ ... yeah, but I thought they _were?_ 🤔
Isn't expressing yourself freely is what the constitution gurantees and law is the enforcer of that law. So is Bar above our constitution?
Wrong. Constitution only prevents certain GOVERNMENT overreach on expression. Bar is to judge moral fitness of applicants so they can ask questions to judge their ability to uphold law.
@@a.humanrightsactivistok. but criticism of israel doesnt equal endorsement of barbarism. just as criticism of hamas doesnt equal endorsement of bad israeli policies and killings.
From an article about Hamas:
The terror group’s three top leaders alone are worth a staggering $11 billion between them and enjoy a life of luxury in the sanctuary of the emirate of Qatar.
The emirate has long welcomed the leaders of the terror group and installed them in its luxury hotels and villas at the same time as hosting a vast American military presence
@a.humanrightsactivist we are talking about different issue. Does a person have the right to express himself/herself freely or not. It's has nothing to do with any issue. It's simple question does the constitution gurantees the right to every citizen to express them freely or not? The choice is Yes or No
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