This Iconic African Manufacturer Brought Sci-Fi to Life
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
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Today we talked about the most rare and interesting weapons from Denel SOC. This Iconic African Manufacturer Brought Sci-Fi to Life. They inspired some of the weapons design in HALO, were featured in Ghost in the Shell, and can be seen heavily modified in The Fifth Element.
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Those South African fruit-glucose candies you used to have. Those were fire.
@@JimoftheSlim thats a good idea. we can talk about the jungle dreams
As a South African I am proud of what my country once manufactured...
But utterly disappointed at the state capture that destroyed all the excellent companies in the Armscor Group.
Ek ook
The NTW-20 is still manufactured. India just bought a bunch. Denel isn't dead just yet.
@@mattstephen7494 I wouldnt mind having my own....
@@barryhay2024 I'm sure there are certain means you could acquire one. I'll join you on the range :D
Wearing the Lion lager cap is next level
Well noted
@@mbongenidube7282 You know
I also noticed that 😂
But the logo seems incorrect.
District 9 is just one big Vektor commercial.
Same thing with Doomsday
And Dredd!
And chappie
Unfortunately by then, Vektor was already run into the ground and bankrupted by the "Liberation Gov".
Bro is wearing a Lion Lager cap. Can't get more South African than that 🙂
ja nee bru
A South African Spec Ops soldier managed to take out a target at 2.1km with the NTW 20 in the 14.5mm configuration
I worked for Denel as an engineer for two years. We were building drones that travelled cross borders in 1999
The one that was shot down in Maputo Harbour area was in +- 1987 ,send from close to Komatipoort , +- 100 km !
@@koosvonlandsberg5353 🤯
My father also worked for denel in Littleton factory his name is Braam.
@@fabianmullaney5504 I worked in Irene and we sometimes joined up with the Lyttelton guys for demos for all the international warlords shopping for toys to terrorise their citizens with.
But today SANDF doesn't have drones in Congo
Served in the old South African Defence Force early 80's.
Did 3 tours in the Angolan Bush War ...never once had an issue with the Denel R 4 .556, absolute gem...was my wife for a while
Dankie vir jou diens meneer
Had the same rifle for nearly three years, also never had an issue with, saved my life more than once
Similar service in Angola and I can confirm I never experienced a single failure with the R4. In my entire bn I do not recall a single failure or stoppage. Whether it was in the dust of the dry season or the floods and mud of the rain season.
Miershoop?
Ek dank u ook vir u diens meneer.
That Lion Lager cap assures me you understand South Africans😂
As a South African I thank you for your research and time
thanks bru
South Africa and Rhodesia were truly heroic and inspiring in their warfare techniques. Their weapons were as tough as the African bush environment. Their written war history accounts will inspire all who are weak at heart. They were truly tough soldiers.
Please don't tell me you're serious...
What, did you read "A Handful of Hard Men" and suddenly think you're an expert?
@@botodin6979 go read a handful if hard men again ...clearly you were at home enjoying the safety of your four walls whilst others were fighting and dying for the survival of the country.
@@rekstok 😆 I KNEW IT!!! 😭 😭 😭
AHoHM has some decent oral history elements, but 1) it is an extremely biased and unbalanced work and 2) Wessels has no qualifications to be an academic. I have yet to meet an accredited historian or just someone with a doctorate who thinks AHoHM is a reasonable monograph.
Historians do bias the way in which they approach a topic. If Wessels wants to privilege oral history, that's his doing. Hell, oral history is an ASTRONOMICAL element of African history. But the constant un-academic defending of Rhodesia, the way that he takes what Watt, Smith, and others say as 100% the truth, and the fact that he knows so little about how the Rhodesian regime has impacted black Africans makes him out to be a laughingstock.
There are many journals and academic monographs about Rhodesia; you don't just have to read a poor one and call yourself an expert. If you want less "traditionally academic" works that are still renowned, then I recommend Tsitsi Dangarembga's _Nervous Conditions_ series. It examines the complexities of colonialism, especially the psychological impact of white Rhodesian society upon poor black Africans, and does so in a fair manner.
Then again, you do have to do a bit of thinking. That may be a bit hard for you...
@@botodin6979 some like yourself can only imagine how it truly was, but others including myseld came from that era...so please continue reading all of Southern Africas war storie books, it's very enlightening to those who will never understand.
@@rekstok Enlightening? It's un-academic, that's what it is. Historians, even military historians, don't just read poorly written monographs that are meant to make people feel better about themselves. If you want to understand, or hеll, even DO history, you cannot just read сrap like that.
I'm a VERY proud South African.....❤❤😊😊
There's no ways that Vector pistol is a danger to shoot...carried one for years.
Tony Neophytou is a fucking G
god bless that man for giving us the paw-20
And the NTW
The Vector CP1 is safe to shoot. Just don't keep it chambered, and bang it on a table or something similar if ithas not had the upgrade. That was how Denel workers discovered the fault. There was a recall for a fix, and I believe those that were fixed, worked and functioned fine after. I had one of those, and I can tell you that it was a beast to carry, weight wise. Recoil was snappy but manageable, and was a mess to clean being a delayed gas blowback. Other than that, it will kill.
Many of the ZA youth have since inherited their parents gear. We all have a cupboard somewhere with medals, Browns(SADF uniform) and Ammo creates with belts of empty casings, some boots, you name it. I often see some folks wearing them playing Airsoft. Lil nostalgia, a reminder of the days before South Africa got fked over by a bigoted Commy regime, hence you dont see any new gear and tech. We have private companies that design and build equipment but they sell abroad as i think the SANDF is too bankrupt to afford any new gear.
My dad only did his national service, my oupa was in the SADF from 16 though. First in 1SDB then in intelligence. My dad still has most of his medals, ranks, paperwork and his cavalry sword but I got his 1SDB patches and "battlefield" tidbits, that being shrapnel from a MLRS rocket used on the attack of Shatotwa base
Can’t fit in mine anymore unfortunately 😂 or parts thereof but still use some of the kit to go hunting.
Commy you call Black people 🤔
I am a SANDF Veteran; left in 2017. Although incorrect, SANDF buys equipment at exorbitant prices which are inferior or unsuited to the continent. I was Intelligence; the night vision batteries did nit last and had such glare from the heat of African plants and animals, it was quite inoperable except for a 2 hour period from 1am to 3am.. Zuma tendered multi million Rand equipment that to operate definitely affected the budget to such an extent that the SANDF has become a para-police force more than a Army at the ready.
Most of the equipment bought probably still is at the delivery points at dumps throughout Pretoria.
In my 4 deployments at the borders, Mozambique and Lesotho and Swaziland/ whatever its name is now; we started deployments for the first two with Helicopters for operational vehicles and ended up with either Tata or early 2000's Hilux bakkies as primary deployment transport.. Although my regiment did receive new Land Cruiser utility (3x 50.cal Brownings and modified for border patrol vehicles) just before I called it quits.
Another issue would be the salaries which have increased 110% in expenditure per unit whilst budgets have decreased overall from a 2012 high to about 35% of it. Operational training and maintenance have been the primary ways of off-setting this with decreases or stoppages to training budgets, meaning we are now overpaid and undertrained as a Force. Theres alot to complain about, but excepting war times, in my opinion the Military of South Africa has always been underfunded but capable once a threat emerged. Let us hope for peace rather and a laughing stock of an Army, rather than a strong army with a weak government.
@@SRC2387 Sounds like an Africanized militant group the way your describing it. Fking shame all standards went out the window with these tribalist halfwits. Working in private security i met some guys working as measly gaurds or reactionary officers. People who have seen action before and some i met at the range. Fking useless at shooting. Only some of the guys, of different ethnicity were decent but overall, its gonna be privateers doing any damn fighing if shit were to go belly up. I buy all my own gear, bits from the same places the SANDF are supplied from, but i try keep it modernized. And make enough time to keep the skills sharp. Dream job was to be in the military, unlucky i was born in this place.
South African Marine veteran here ❤
alles verniet gewees
Dankie vir julle diens, is 'n jammerte dat 'n paar van julle manne nie perongeluk op die anc af gekom het nie!
Thanks for your service. 🇿🇦🇿🇦❤️
@@joshua_booysen I would do it again ♥️👍
What is this Non Balaclavalessness ?
feeling a little risky.... might delete later.....
@@KommandoStore Yea, that’s your brand, I think you may have forgotten the Vector SP1 Berettas too. Sick Elysium Style Vibes.
I still fantasize about the NTW-20
sometimes I just start humming and whistling the song used in the ad video.
LMAO that wild ass guitar riff right?@@Frankthetank-et7wo
They fixed the problem with CP1 with a drop safety yeard before Glock.
It was the sevond polimer frame pistol from SA the first one was designed by Alex Du Plessis years before Glock. Triger safety years before Glock. Broard triger guard years before Glock
1)Polimer frame
2)Dropsafety
3)Triger safety
4)Broad triger guard
CP1 is a Real Modern design decades ahead of his rivals
Had an ADP 9mil for quite a few years. Absolutely loved it, small, compact easy to conceal and reliable.
I remember when the ADP was sold under the Truvelo name back in the day. But many people forget about the Hybrid polymer pistol before the CP1 and ADP and that's the Varan PMX 90.
Forgotten weapons has done treatments on many of these weapons.
I grew up on halo and never even knew the rich history
much of Halo 2 & 3 takes place in africa, and many of the weapons and vehicles are inspired by south african designs
Did you know the word commando also comes from South-Africa?
Comes from the Boers, right?
The fact that you also chose to wear a Lion Lager hat, makes you a true South African now haha MOER HULLE!
I was in the Military in the 80's and used a R4 rifle as my service weapon. - Greetings from South Africa
I’ve put about 200 rounds through my CP1. It was transferred to me from my mom and she can’t remember how many rounds she has put through it. You should have shot it, super smooth. The delayed blowback system is a nice feature. It handles like a dream.
With that being said I don’t EDC as its rare but I still use it because what’s the point have owning something and not using it
Side note, the SA browns became lighter when worn regularly and blended in with the Savanah
Yup , that's when your browns had "houding"
😂by color fading you were known as a "Ouman". Salute.
This brings back many memories as I carried the R1 with a shortened barrel and folding stock and a R5 for many years in the police.
The CP1 was designed to be used by the SA Police detectives in civilian wear and wasn’t a bad weapon.I tested one with about 10k rounds and found it to be accurate and comfortable but definitely not reliable or safe.Women in the police carried their pistols in their handbags back then and the CP1 had no parts that could snag clothing or anything inside the bags.Had one fire full auto when I chamber a round on the range.
I shot on the police combat shooting team and worked on a specialized unit where I got issued the Vector SP1 and SP2 pistols.
The SP1 was chambered in 9mm for duty use and the SP was 40 S&W for competition shooting.They were both awesome weapons.
I was 5 & 1/2 years Rhodesian Army, blessings to all of you, hang in there.
We still using Vektor R5 in Mexican Police.
My first handgun ever was the CP1. After the recall they had zero issues. However most interesting is that excess gas from barrel is directed through a small hole in barrel to a piston below to help slow down slide recoil.
Well done!!
Shout out from Bloemfontein South Africa
jungle is infact massive. great taste
I completed my basic training with the R1 and this rifle is deadly accurate with open sights at a 1000 meters no problem. You can hit the chest area everytime.
One other thing dude, if you slammed a magazine into a pistol like that on my firing range you would be doing push ups for a fkn week!
Thanks for the info, but can you even see a person at 1K?
@@juscog you can see the target. Never had a sight picture on an enemy at that distance.
6:33 DUDE SUPER C'S! That was my go-to snack growing up as a kid in South Africa. Need to go see if i can still get some at the store
Yay south Africa gets military recognition
The introduction of the first R4 and the progression to R5 to R6. Specifically the changes made from Gallil to R4. Keep up the good works
I have the LM4, semi auto version of the R4. Bought it in 1986, awesome rifle. Quite a bit heavier than the AR platform but still holds its own on the range.
@@garyschoombie9384R4 tough as s.hit nothing can compare just like the FN.
Very cool, I am from SA and I like what you have done here. Have a lunchbar!
The iconic days of the old South Africa. Today Denel is a bankrupt organisation nothing more than glorified buyers.
we could've been a real country once
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😂😂😂 and yet they've made nothing but profit for 4 years in row now.
And can’t pay their employees 😂😂😂
@@mybru1😂😂😂😂😂😂
Denel was once a gold mine of our country. Today it has been pillaged by the rolling ANC. company couldn't even pay salaries to employees last year. African National congress destroyed denel like it did my country.
Very true
I have a Vektor CP1 - Awesome firearm !!! Love it. Bought it new, and had it for over 30 years now
never saw a Hi Power in my military service- std pistol issued in 1SSB was the star Super B with a rateling good fit
Spot on....our sidearms were stars.
Browning HP was issued to SF.
My family worked at Denel. It is basically right next to my old High School. It's an interesting place.
I have a friend that worked at Denel. He used to tell me so many stories of how he almost died because of safety violations lol.
I have had my CP1 for almost 30 years.. It has never exploded or discharged a round accidentally.
Jussie, thanks for the awesome and informative video
Afrikaner / Dutch South African Engineering.
You sure about that? No English Portuguese or Greek engineers at Denel?
We are not Dutch, and NEVER WILL BE! ONS IS BOERRE! ( WE ARE BOER'S )
We are as Dutch as Americans are English. And where English is spoken by Americans, Afrikaans is different to Dutch, both spoken, and written!
@@shaunspies1108 🇿🇦🙌
israeli-afrikaner-soutie engineering
Just for those using Google translate the word soutie is Afrikaans slang for an English person
Super C ...you do your homework very well 😂. Thank you for showing the world where most future weapons and vehicles actually started ...like the Buffalo mine clearing vehicle 😉
Love the Lion Lager badge on the cap!
😂love the cap....Lion Lager.....
Also broudly south african beer we used to have.
We still have lion lager
@@gooihom It came back yes but it's not the same like back in the day.
About +- 20 years ago there was a world wide recall of all Vektor Compact 1 pistols. The safety problem was rectified by Denel . A certificate regarding the safety rectification was issued by Denel with every pistol when it was returned to the owner. Said certificate is in my gun Safe. No problem has ever been experienced by me ever,and if I feel that I am in an unsafe environment I always have a round chambered. No problem whatsoever,provided that you had adhered to the recall requirement.
Vektor also made a direct copy of the Beretta 92 FS called the Z88. All parts are interchangeable between the two platforms. I was lucky enough to get one for a steal about a year ago. The Z88 was our police service's service pistol from the early 90's till about 2020 where they started phasing them out and replacing them with the current Beretta PX4 Storm.
Oh man! I miss those Super C's @6:34 .... took me right back to my childhood in 90's South Africa. Gonna go wear my Rhodesian camo pants and my 84' battle jacket now. Thanks for the video.
As a S.A.D.F veteran who served S.A during the border war. I must say that the weapons that was manufactured by S.A was very affective and reliable.
Thanks to the ANC and the corruption. The company has liquidated. But yes. The R.1 , R.4 is excellent weapons. Thanks for covering S.A arsenal.
Sgt. H. Nortje 32BN.
The Vektor CP1 also (briefly!!) featured in the Ron D. Moore Battlestar Galactica 2003-2009 reboot
KS, I own a real SSO Smersh, and yall are the only ones who make a good repro, so I think it would be very cool if yall made pouches I could run on mine, I already have AK Smersh, sadly I can not find PKM pouches (under $500 that match the real color) that I need
Remember to harrass their intern in the faq chat bubble thing in their website!
@@kielbasamage our intern loves this idea
@@KommandoStore YESSSSSSS THANK YOU YESSSSS :3!!!!!!! (pls i need them in time for milsim west nov 15-17 :c)
What did you get the smersh? Or it just looks good.
@@frostydrifter I own KS smersh and Real smersh, bought the real one after the KS
"Super C" sweets? 😂 I'm so glad I stumbled on to this page. I didn't work for Denel but I stayed at a hostel with guy that worked there as engineers before starting my job at the SANDF back in 2003. Good to know someone appreciates our stuff 😉🇿🇦
You midded the Z88 (Beretta Clone), Vektor SP1/2 9mm/40SW and General model. Also the RAP 9mm and LM5/6.
i fucking love the neopup
and it has such a cute name :-)
You forgot about the SS-77 and mini-SS
A gun that goes of itself takes the automatic way to literal.
Jazz DNB and African Guns oh yeh 😍
Don't forget about the FT 5 anti tank rocket launcher and my favourite the multiple 40mm grenade launcher.....belt fed. Yip that's our design South African), not the Yanks. It was my weapon of choice. Loved that beast! I was a battle commander over ten special infantry units until 1994. We where trained in Russian and South African weapon systems due to the nature of our operations. Loved every moment of it. No regrets. Saw some fantastic weapon systems.
My favourite the LMG the chain saw
Very few R1s were made with a folding stock. I certainly never had one.
The folding stock has a different spring mechanism which is less reliable than the spring in the stock.
Plenty were made. Known as the R2 in the SAP (R3 being the personal issue semi auto version) the Task Force, Unit 19 and Radio Control "Squad cars" as well as some other units, were issued with R2's. Nothing wrong with them. Just as reliable as the standard R1.
You are correct. Folding stock was mostly supplied to parabats. The regular infantry and other units had a fixed backalite stock. Did my basics with one, i think it was maybecex Rhodesia, was painted in the same coulors they have painted theirs. 2nd Phase got a R4. R1 was a excelent weapon but being a Sapper it was easied to carry thd R4 when sweeping roads for mines
I knew the R4 from Ghost Recon Wildland lol
It's literally just a galil.
Denel doesn’t exist anymore ANC looted everything 😢😢😢😢
I live I SA. The cp1 was recalled and a safety fitted, never since 1998 had a unwanted discharge. Great weapon
#kykiefokkenpleknou
I've worked at the denel factory in south Africa, crazy cool facility
A neighbor who served in the Rhodesian war game me his old R1 Galil bayonet the other day, wonderlikke man
I'm a South African gun enthusiasts. I actually had to modify a R1 rifle this week for a guy. He wanted to relocate his sling mount. I have alot friends from the private security sector and another client in the bullet proof vest industry who i can put you in contact with.
Great work!
love you
I was in the SA Army and was issued with both FALs and SA built R1s.
One difference between the R1 and FAL is that R1s were built without the carry handle. Even FALs in SADF almost always had the carry handle removed. The only time I can remember seeing carry handles on R1s in SADF was on the heavy barrel models with a bipod which were used as SAWs.
Rhodesian FALs had carry handles. They also received a lot of R1s, but I suspect those did not have the handle.
So if you want your FAL or R1 to be authentic then remove the handle.
That was also a difference between the Galil and R4. In fact early batches of R4 were built in Israel without the carry handle.
My old man was issued the Heavy barrel when he was infantry as reaction and patrol in the Caprivi region. He pretty much was support LMG so the R1 heavy barrel was perfect to put out suppressive fire while reloading or swapping a barrel. He still lives by the concept that the R1 rifle was superior to the R4 and 5 in that terrain and it's not due to the rifle mechanics but due to the 7.62 caliber that had superior penetration in the vegetation of that terrain.
Super C is life!
The Grenade launcher was used in the film chappie
I really like the fact that you had a Lion Lager cap on ! That beer is also known as a 'No. 17' which is simply, LION spelt backwards. Great vid on Denel, sure brings back memories on the R1 and R4. I had a Vektor SP40 S&W Generals Model. You should give that a run if you can find one.
Love the lion hat
Nice Lion Lager cap dude. One of my local favourite beers here.
FN FAL is an awesome gun.
The vector handgun was also used in BSG. The NTW-20 was aldo used to take down the mech in District 9
The back track got me acting up
Lion Lager hat. Still available at your nearest liquor store in South Africa.
Used all 3 in the 1980s.
R1 was the gentleman. Shot excellent groups even over 100m. Beautiful but not so good in the dust.
R4 was rugged and would run in any conditions. I could not shoot for squat with it though.
The high power was amazing and bought one as my EDC after service.
Vector 9mm was terrible but was later improved.
The only stoppage I had with the R1 during 2 years and thousands of shots was because I once used the rifle without oiling the gas piston. (1975-1976)
Used the R4 and a scoped R1 during my service..best rifles ever
Now R5 is a sweet rifel
Forgotten weapons has a very good review of the NTW 20
Traveling Raptor... a real life sci-fi rifle. Or at least one that looks sci-fi.
As a South African that had to do national service of 2 years in 1989-90 I used a R4 and R5 as well as a chance to use a MGL grenade launcher.
5:39 neopup is such an interesting grenade launcher
Actually a deadly weapon, look for videos on it. Bad day for the receiving end
The word "Kommando" is a South African word! (borrowed from the Portuguese)
Where did you get your brown gloves and watch from that at the beginning and throughout the video?
eccgear.com
Gonna build a Vektor R4 soon.
The CP1 had a minor drop safety issue. Most have been fixed though...
Loving the jungle dnb
brain food yummm
My father was 32 Battalion and issued those strange reverse boots. He said it was a CIA backed idea back in the days when it was issued to him, or so the rumors went. I used them during my time in the Army (2005-2017) and with the R4 had no problems in confusing wither poachers or rebel forces to either walk in ambushes or be themselves followed by their directional mistakes due to the boots. Super C's sadly arent what they used to be these days (BEE or tenderpreneurs now supply a very sad Ratpack), so the quality is low.
Thank you 🥲
Bud it's an insult to say the sadf is comparable to the sandf NO comparison except country of origin
And I spent most of a range session clearing jams from a shooters cp1 disaster weapon
Corrupt ANC lead to the downfall of Denel. Now they struggle to pay staff salaries