Never break up with someone with a temper, when you’re alone. During my divorce, my attorney advised me to never be alone with my estranged husband. Even my attorney picked up on his violent temper. She needed to leave, go to a safe place, and never go back. RIP.
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months. Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money. In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents. This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes). I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
@@gailwaters814 Sounds like a fairy tale the way you describe the scenario in your last sentences. Hate to bust the deluded bubble but he is a PSYCHOPATH and nothing at all would've changed that. He should've been in prison for life but instead he got off easy like OJ.
Why would an intruder be in his toilet? And he didn't notice his girlfriend was not there. And then the sobbing voice all the time so people will feel sorry for him. He wasn't being attacked he was shooting at a door. He killed her because he wanted to.
It's all b******* it's sad he just killed her and got away with it now if it was a black South African you know he would there were probably wouldn't have been a trial I can't believe how he's locked up over there and his little community and think somebody's going to come in his house to take a piss that just doesn't make sense
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months. Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money. In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents. This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes). I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
I never believed Oscar Pistorius’ story that he thought there was an “intruder” in his home. Never believed his story and never will. And shooting at the bathroom door 4 times??? Nah, he could have gotten up and looked to see if in reality there was a stranger inside his home. It is ashamed that this lady Reva died, she was a very beautiful woman with her whole life ahead of her, and he was a very jealous and obsessed man who resorted to murdering her. And I believe he got a “pass” when it came to his prison term. He should have been sentenced to life in prison ......but just 6 or 8 years that he got? It is outrageous and disgraceful. A true miscarriage of justice. Reva was sentenced for life!!! A human life was lost, doesn’t that count for something??? But every country has its own laws and rules but it sucks that he only has to spend so little time in jail because of his wealth and money. Shame on him. I hope this case is an eye opener to any woman out there who might want to get involved with him. Oscar Pistorius has “issues” and a “very bad temper.” He should have anger management sessions with a mental health professional. He disgust me.
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months. Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money. In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents. This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes). I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
Its easy to say words like that in the US or western countries where you live. But if you have only one leg and rich in South Africa is a huge difference.. The crimes there are very rough!
@@nkadimashiane He recently got out...free man now, what a disgrace! He will do something horrible again, it's inevitable, and hopefully next time be in there for life like he deserves!
OP was very particular about security. His home was in a very well guarded gated community w/heavy security personnel, his home was loaded w/security system. And his story was that he thought an intruder was hiding in his toilet, and shot through the door in fear for his life.... He had argument w/gf, he comes after her (and yes he can fast w/t the prosthetic legs), she locks herself in toilet w/her cellphone. His frustration increases, grabs 1 of his guns, loads and fires 4 shots. She’s stuck in a tight space, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. He doesn’t belong in prison, he belongs under it.
you forgot to mention that she just peed, so she could have also taken her phone to the toilet to pee and lost time a bit checking messages, not wanting to wake him up.
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months. Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money. In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents. This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes). I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
@@gailwaters814 i like that someone develops their position a bit in full sentences (sorry for falling short here; I'm typing on a small fon here between other jobs. I'm not much invested in the case. my basic interest in these cases is about a response to social media bullying: what kind of response do people expect from a falsely accused innocent person to help his case. to my surprise, i found many murder mysteries easy to solve as an intelligent impartial outsider. occasionally i found later confirmed that i was correct or largely correct. so I got interested why so many people were highly invested in obviously false solutions, which would have typically made them part of a lynchmob not long ago. here are factors i commonly found: 1. overstating certainty is rampant. such posters almost never state any credentials, even anecdotal ones. 2. people tend to start of with a narrative along ideologicsl lines, then look for confirmation, again along ideologicsl lines. they post their views among posters of similar bias. however, outside of professionals and the rare high IQ poster, there are almost never indicators that these biases are reflected at all. 3. arguments contain very few, often poorly checked or contextualized facts but massive elaboration. 4. i almost never see evidence to contradict the poster's assumptions considered. 5. people have no noticable fear to falsely accuse someone. 6. when it turns out conclusively that they were mistaken, i almost never see any of them apologize or correct their position. i believe that I notice these points because my lives needs have cultivated diametrically opposite reflexes. i assume these people's lives and ressources are probably not dependent on finding counterintuitive truths as much as social approval, something i, obviously, have little faith in. i do not care to win this argument and will say if i made a mistake. however, I would be interested to learn, if you care to share, how you honestly feel about my objections and if you would allow that they could pertain to your argument to any degree. to zoom out, my real interest is whether pursuit of truth has any merit in protection against false accusations. I'm considering whether it is not really just a trap because it tends to want you to engage and persuade when that is really pointless and one should focus on intimidation, obfuscation and evasion.... ie a falsely accused innocent person should maybe behave more like a guilty person to be safe from bullying, losses and violence?
@@gailwaters814 IMHO Even he had a fully abled body, OP is the type of man who would have eventually seriously harmed someone. Some are able to kill in self defense or in defense of others in danger. He knew who was in his bathroom and it was a willful act on his part to unload his gun on her. The ballistics report proves it. He’s a vicious killer and fully capable of killing again.
I believe Oscar had a HUGE chip on his shoulder, quick temper, and suffering from severe affluenza - he thought he was untouchable - shooting live ammo in public, in a restaurant and a car???? Where would any other one of us in SA get away with crap like that? Rot in pieces, Oscar.
I was struck by what the gun shop guy said. If its your house you know whats going on in there. He knew Reeva was there and you'd expect him to make sure he knew it wasn't her before opening fire. From what I've heard about him he had anger issues and if she was going to leave him he could have flipped...
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months. Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money. In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents. This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes). I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
@@gailwaters814 To me personally it is hard to believe that OP is a killer. If the bullet to her head missed by 2 inches she would have confessed about OP after the accident... Yet he stopped firing after 4 shots. Maybe OP just blacked out of anger and didn't know what he was doing. Meaning he saw black. It's still a mystery. Let's go on OP's word. Only the Lord can judge and the Lord judges no one. It's a very sad story maybe OP really didn't know who was behind the door and shot at the door for publicity media attention or something. Young men do stupid things like that especially when they get a new gun. Life goes on... I'm happy OP is still alive though. I don't think he is a monster. Maybe just young and wet behind the ears. The Lord says forgive 70 x 7. I must say that the same thing happened to me once. My dad's old friend and old neighbor almost choked me with a pillow when I came home from a night club 3 am in the morning because he didn't know our new home in Capetown for the August cycling so he slept over and thought I was a intruder. These things do really happen. Jesus died 3pm so the devil created 3am to spite Jesus. All spirits and demons walk the earth 3am. This is what happened that night.
@@gailwaters814still absolutely no excuse to Murder someone in cold blood , murder is illegal for a reason , legs or no legs dose not give Oscar the excuse to kill someone , with four bullets , lots and lots of people live with grief and , absolutely devastating illness or loss of Limbs but they don’t pick up a loaded firearm.. Point it at the bathroom door , locked bathroom door knowing fine well , someone was behind that door .. and fire four bullets in to the door.. Oscar wouldn’t even be able to claim self defence as no one had a weapon pointed at him .. Oscar committed first degree murder and nothing less then that
Why are they making continuous references to Hollywood? This is not a Hollywood film….This murder actually happened and Reeva was not a character, she was an actual person……..I don't care if these forensic consultants worked on the set of Dexter or CSI….I care about their ACTUAL FORENSIC CREDENTIALS AND HOW THEIR SKILLS WERE USED TO FIND FORENSIC EVIDENCE IN THIS CRIME…….
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months. Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money. In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents. This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes). I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
When you wake up in the night and the person you went to bed with is not beside you and someone is in the bathroom it’s common sense to assume who’s in the bathroom… He’s handicap but he’s not stupid… He came up with the first line of crap he could and I’m astounded he was able to use such nonsense as a defense.. he murdered her purposely and sure he regretted it the moment he was arrested… He was so sorry for himself…
He woke up, adjusted the fans and heard the screen window. Sleep disoriented, dreamlike response. I am not convinced he was in his right mind. Negligent homicide by firing into a closed bathroom. He deserves some time. Did he fire to defend himself and Reeva? Or from passion. Prosecution seems willing to lie to get their judgement.
@@johncannonnhThere is some evidence suggesting that Oscar's relationship with Reeva was incredibly toxic. Oscar withheld his second phone from the police and only gave it to them when he deleted the messages he sent to Reeva. Reeva's autopsy showed that she was incredibly stressed moments before she died. Reeva's clothing has a hole in which while argued looks to be from the gun shot, it bares are more striking resemblance to someone ripping it. There was also a wound on her back which shows she either fell over something and hit her back or someone hit her back instead. The injury looked to have either been caused by a cricket bat or a piece of furniture. There is also Oscar's behaviour at the start of the relationship where he is described to be controlling and even stalked Reeva without her consent. There is other evidence such as the toilet, as the only way for that candy cane pattern to have been made was is if the toilet was flushed 20 seconds before the shooting, which means that Oscar was certainly aware someone was on the toilet when he fired at it.
@@johncannonnhi agree. Sometimes my husband goes to the bathroom at night and I don't notice. Also they vad exchanged a few words shortly before he stood up to move the fans so he assumed she was still in bed when he heard the noises. South Africa is an extremely violent nation and he acted quick , did not take a risk
Oscar Pistorius is 100% guilty of murdering Reeva Steenkamp. When you're in a brand new relationship like they were, and you're in bed with your boyfriend or girlfriend, the two of you are either having sex all night (it was Valentine's Day, after all) or you're sleeping very close to each other, perhaps intertwined together. There is no way that OP didn't know that his Reeva wasn't in the bed with him. If you think you hear a burglar in your house, you will first turn to your partner, wake them, and then get up and get your weapon, etc. He didn't do that because they were never asleep in bed. I think they had an argument that evening, maybe she wanted to end things or maybe something happened and the chip on his shoulder got chipped at further and he violently reacted. She ran in fear for her life and locked herself in the bathroom, and Blade Runner lost his damn mind, ran after her and shot her repeatedly. He should be roting in jail without his prosthetics.
Couldn’t agree more, the fact he wants us to be live without his prosthetics he got down her side of the bed used his balance not a hand on bed to get up. I don’t believe one second they were in bed at all. I think they started physical fight downstairs leading to her to go upstairs for her belonging I then believe he chased or shot air rifle through door at her back. Wether bat was used before after murder it was rage it was anger I can’t believe he might get out soon. He should rot in there for life
@@romanireva he found out she had coffee with ex boyfriend it was valentines they were up late eating supper. Fans is just distraction or excuse for us to believe they were in bed & he didn’t hear her getting up, but what sealed it for me. No women in privacy of her man’s bedroom would ever use a key lock to go to the bathroom while they slept and you also don’t shoot without knowing where loved ones are. Even if I hear anything first thing I do is wake my partner. Cold blooded murder through jealousy rage. Do I believe he regrets it and has remorse absolutely but not so much for reeva more for himself.
Logically...if you think there is a intruder in your home the first thing You do is check on your loved ones and have Everyone Get Out Of The House Fast! Run to a neighbors and call for help!! And the Bathroom was upstairs in His case...he had all the time he needed to check on his girlfriend to find out if she was still in bed with him! So guilty it is sickening! 🤮
Under 3 minutes in and I have to comment because this pissed me off. Guy- "I keep going back to Riva, I really think that she's an interesting character" Hey buddy, she wasn't a character! She was a human being and a wonderful one lets not forget. She was murdered in cold blood and did not get the justice she deserved! Neither did her poor family.
The murder is being analyzed as if it were a movie being scripted. Could what is claimed to have ocurred ascertained as plausible when you turn it into a crime scene , in a movie.
I like how your comment goes on about how this us someone who did not get her justice for her murder but your whole reason for it is because someone called her a “character” like that matters i mean what it is is you clearly took the word “character” and took it to far i mean ik what it was meant in this case and im not mad because its clear what he meant
Just for a second - lets just look at the logic of an 'intruder' soooo, I've hypothetically broken into someones home - what intruder in their right mind locks themselves in an upstairs bathroom! That is a trap - an intruder, one would imagine, would look for the first exit DOWNSTAIRS - thats what an intruder is going to do - ESCAPE, not go upstairs and lock themselves in a BATHROOM to get caught and incriminate themselves in a crime! So ridiculous!
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months. Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money. In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents. This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes). I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
This was a tragedy we looked up to him as a hero in school people were very proud of him we are always proud of our fellow south africans who make it big in the world... But after all of this I clearly saw that the man we praised was a narcissistic lying deceiving murdered that thinks he can get away because he has no legs.. He couldn't control his anger he killed her and now he wants to walk free if he come out in 2 years he will have to hide or get away from South Africa because the people here don't want him to walk free ...
I was lucky enough to never of known about this until grade 5 when we did a documentary of him in English, but I do feel for those who saw him as a hero and then this happened.
That's what makes me so mad just because he had prosthetics and he can run doesn't mean he didn't murder that girl he had a scary streak and she was scared of him and the police knew about it he should be locked under the jail
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months. Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money. In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents. This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes). I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
david groves she was beautiful my point is that , that fact doesn’t really matter in this situation if she was beautiful or not either way she’s dead. The media throws that in all the time to prove their “point” that he had to have been so jealous because she was “beautiful” So they should throw in how handsome he is because he is! But nobody would give a shit because it isn’t a fuckin Hollywood beauty contest it’s a crime story
it´s offensive to her, her family and all that are grieving here, he´s a cold blooded killer , Hollywood should not praise such a specie, Oscar the fallen of a titan? are you kidding me? it should be about her, not about him...
I totally agree. It subtle but to them there are good beautiful entitled people, then there are the rest of us. The problem is treating people accordingly. It seems people don't get that. They don't get their bias about people dictates how they view and treat people, especially when it comes to good, innocence, and in entitled. Why can't people not judge and treat people decently since you are 100% wrong about someone when you judge.
cockney gyal you don’t need to have a big heart”! To date a man who is a double amputee not paraplegic you just not be shallow and just love him for who he is. You do get with a person because you feel pity for them that’s not love . And he had everything going for himself too. He was an athlete who over came his odds and she was a model
cockney gyal no he didn’t they were in a relationship. Why are u acting like she did him a favor . How did he take advantage of her.?? U only know what the media put out there. This man was an athlete with 2 prosthetic legs how did he take advantage of her? I’m lost .
The answer why Reeva was in the bathroom is... because thats the place she run to hide fr pistorius, he was after her and she thought shell be safe. But he ran after her
It it truly astounding how far people will go to defend a guy that shot and killed his gf while she was on the toilet. Celebrity privilege at it's finest
They had an argument in the middle of the night and she ended the relationship. He turned violent because he could never control his temper, she became terrified and ran to the toilet. In the end he lost it and shot knowing for sure that she was behind the door. NO ONE BELIEVES HIS STORY - HE IS A MURDERER AND SHOULD NEVER BE RELEASED FROM PRISON.
If he thought there was an intruder and was afraid for his life WHY did he not turn to where he thought Reeva was.. in bed next to him, and wake her, this would be in my opinion the 1st thing that anyone would do, he is guilty.
But she was already awake , she asked him if he could sleep ? The fans were on and loud , she went to the loo , he thought she was still in bed , he was on his wobbly stumps already paranoid as fuck that someone was in there hiding from them after getting through the bathroom window , he messed up big time yes and is paying for it now , but I don't believe he did he mean to kill her , the guy had it all and is now broken. It's a tragic accident. The screams heard were Oscars not Reeves as proved in court . And no arguing was heard either .
@@evien3790 he is a narcissist who abused other women. He had a history of being jealous as well. What person doesn’t have any sense of another person in the same bedroom moving? We have peripheral vision, if he had enough light to move fans he could see her leaving the bed. Do you think OJ is innocent as well? Just because you have money & a good life doesn’t preclude you from committing a crime.
@@HandbagDiva no , I think OJ is guilty and I don't believe OP is innocent , I don't know enough about him to call him a narcissist either. I just think that it's possible under the circumstances he was terrified / paranoid and made a tragic mistake .
He wanted to punish her Oscar did a real good job, she was locked in the bathroom trying to protect herself from him screaming the place down. He terrorized her, but not content with that he murdered her. They should throw away the keys and leave him to rot!
1. Reeva happily goes to bed, having packed all her clothes neatly away in her bag, including her underwear and the top she was wearing, while leaving her jeans inside-out at the bottom of the bed. 2. OP wakes in the night and immediately puts his hands over his face. He takes them off long enough to glance over and notice Reeva’s legs under the duvet. He then puts his hands back over his face to get out of bed - pushing aside a duvet that is not actually on him. 3. He walks around to Reeva’s side of the bed, without either looking at her or telling her what he’s doing. She doesn’t ask, either. 4. Once his back is completely turned, Reeva silently scrambles across to his side of the bed and walks totally noiselessly and in the pitch black to the toilet. 5. Never once facing the bed, OP brings both fans in and positions them at the end of the bed. How he did that with his back to the bed the entire time, I am unable to fathom. He either stood with his back to the bed, and put the fans in front of him and then walked around them, or positioned them with his arms behind him. 6. In spite of the pitch-black room, he notices jeans on the floor. He is bothered by a small LED light enough to want to cover them with said jeans - but not bothered by the lit-up LED display, the light on the TV or the lights on the light switches. 7. He hears a terrifying sound from the bathroom and is frozen with fear. At no point does it cross his mind that it may have been the person sharing the bedroom and bathroom with him making the noise - nope, he’s so convinced it can’t be her, he doesn’t even bother to turn his head and glance in her direction. 8. He doesn’t seek to clarify what he’s heard with his awake girlfriend who is feet away from him. He doesn’t wonder if she heard it too and is scared. 9. He feels particularly vulnerable because he’s on his stumps, but doesn’t take a few seconds to put on the legs that are, actually, right next to him.
10. He stops being frozen with fear and heads for his gun, making his way around the fans that he has just positioned in front of the bed. He holds into the bed for balance, and says not-a-word to the person who is in it regarding the fact that he believes that there are intruders in the next room and he needs to arm himself. 11. He reaches under the bed for the gun, careful not to glance across at the person he believes is in it. 12. He stands up, faces the passage and whispers/speaks quietly to Reeva, telling her to get down and call the police without actually telling her why. He is not surprised that she doesn’t ask or that she doesn’t bother to get out of bed and get down as instructed. 13. He makes his way in terror to the bathroom - ignoring the door that he and Reeva could have escaped through and the panic alarm that would have brought immediate help. 14. He’s so desperate to put himself between the intruders and Reeva that he doesn’t actually check where Reeva is. 15. He is too scared to put the light on but not too scared to start screaming as soon as he starts walking down the passage. 16. He is walking slowly and quietly down the passage, screaming. 17. Reeva hears the screaming but is too scared of the intruder to respond and give away her position, so she slams the door. 18. OP screams at Reeva to call the police. She fails to do this even though she has her phone with her. 19. OP gets to the bathroom doorway, and stops screaming so that the intruders won’t know where he is. 20.When he sees that there’s no one in the bathroom, he starts screaming again. 21. Reeva stands facing the door, making no effort to speak to her screaming boyfriend - who is now standing right outside the toilet door. She doesn’t wonder if he wants to come into the toilet and hide with her; she selfishly hides, silently locking the door and says nothing. 22. Somehow she steps backwards to knock the magazine rack on the other side of the toilet before immediately stepping forward again to the position she was in when she was shot. 23. OP has many thoughts running though his head - a story about a neighbour being tied up in his house, the crime rate in SA, the builder leaving a ladder outside his house, the folly of shooting a warning shot into the shower in case it ricochets and hits him, but a noise from the toilet has all thoughts disappearing from his mind like a fart in the wind and he shoots once, moves position and shoots three more times without actually meaning to….all the while screaming.
24. He stands screaming for a bit, then walks backwards out of the bathroom screaming. 25. He gets to the bedroom, screaming, and is a trifle surprised to see that Reeva is not sitting in bed after hearing four gunshots from the en suite bathroom. 26. He heads across the bed backwards, keeping his eyes on the passage….she’s not there. He walks along the gap between the bed and the curtains; she’s not there. She’s not behind the curtains either. 27. Gasp. Was that Reeva in the toilet? He doesn’t even bother checking to see whether she’s run out of the bedroom - that would be a ridiculous thing to do given that the shooting was in the bathroom, so he sees no sense in even checking (yes, he actually said that). 28. He runs with his gun back to the bathroom and tries to pull open the door - he’s still scared it may be an intruder, and hopeful it’s not Reeva, but he doesn’t bother checking to see if there’s a ladder outside the window. 29. He runs back to the bedroom, parts the curtains and shouts for help from the balcony….holding a cocked gun in his hand because he’s still scared. 30. He puts down his gun, sits on the bed, looks for his socks, puts on his legs then picks up his gun again to run to the bathroom - all in the pitch black because he tells us he never opened the curtains or put on the light. 31. Kicking the door doesn’t work, so he runs back for his bat. He then runs back to the bathroom with a cocked gun in one hand and a cricket bat in the other. * Oh, I almost forgot - throughout all of this he is screaming like a woman, except when he goes onto the balcony to shout for help in a man’s voice. All of the above takes him 15 minutes 32. Back in the bathroom, he puts down the gun and hits the door three times with enough ferocity that six people think they are gunshots. Four of those people had slept through the real gunshots 15 minutes earlier - seemingly not bothered by a sound 1000 times louder than the sound that they are hearing now. 33. Once he breaks down the door and sees Reeva bloody and not breathing, he is as silent as a monk. No more screaming - he is too “sad” to scream anymore. 34. In spite of screaming at Reeva to call the police three times, it doesn’t occur to him to do the same himself now. 35. He sits sobbing over her, then pulls her against him, feeling her blood run on to him - although it only manages to stain his shorts and forearms. 36. He is so distraught by Reeva’s condition, that getting medical help for her is not his first thought….calling a friend is. 37. He psychically knows that Netcare will tell him to get Reeva to hospital himself so he calls Stander to help him lift her so he can do this. 38. He then calls Netcare to be given the worst medical advice of all time - to take a woman who has been shot three times, once in the head, to hospital himself. 39. He calls Security for help, then sobs down the phone to them. When they call him back, he forgets to ask for help and tells them he is fine. 40. He runs downstairs, careful to switch off the alarm first and opens the door, crying. 41. Coming back upstairs he smashes his way through the bedroom double-doors before simply unlatching them. 42. He carries Reeva through the bedroom, leaving a dissected line of blood that is half on carpet and half on the duvet on the bed - which the police can handily line up later making it look like the duvet was on the floor all along and that OP is one enormous great big fat liar. I could go on, but my dinner is ready. I am starting to think that anyone who truly believes this man is innocent is slightly divorced from reality. It’s the biggest load of bullcrap I have ever, ever heard. Seriously.
He was egotistical and paranoid of the gangsterish bouncers in johannesburg wanting to kill him... if you're paranoid like that your mind can make quick and stupid assumptions.
Just another note: no one brought up Valentine's day. I read somewhere that she had a card and gift for him. Where was his gift to her? In such early stages of courtship, a man will make sure he makes a big deal of Valentine's day
For every action we make, it comes with consequences. The consequences depend on 2 things, wise decision, and bad decision. At the end of the day, we will experience one of the consequences not two. So choose wisely.
F. Moussa That's not what the high court and court of appeal said. Let's hope you never get to do jury service, as you obviously can't tell the difference between " facts " and " assumptions". Oscars version was accepted and is on record !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No one with any brains would empty the gun and leave themselves with an unloaded gun. But he was guilty because of the way he approached the door - that is not like he thought someone could shoot at him from the other side - he knew it was her behind the door.
Exactly my point because he already admitted to shooting her. So what they really need to prove was whether the shooting was intentional or unintentional.
Being a South African man with a disability having to protect yourself and your loved ones when necessary can make you approach things differently. Have a fire arm or a baseball bat always ready in case of emergency to compensate for your perceived shortcoming. Shame on his family and friends that did not call the police to convescate his weapons while knowing he has rage issues while doing irresponsible things with his fire arms. I do not believe the people close to him were extremely shocked about what happened that night.
Exactly, never heard of a Burglar politely using the loo with the door closed and locked before they burgle the house, especially when the home owner is home
Goodness Sake Idk, but it’s likely that she just locked herself in the master bath toilet to get away from him til he calmed down, or til someone came over to do so. Her cellphone records would show that. I don’t believe she thought that he’d actually shoot her, sadly. Nevertheless she died defenseless and terrorized.
I felt he did it when I heard his guilty cry in court, and he thought of something to lie about after he realized what he's done and how will he tell his and her family how evil he is.The whole story was all off as well.Im praying for the family and may she rip 🙏
She was standing behind the toilet door when the first bullet broke her hip. She started screaming and fell onto a magazine rack. When Pistorius heard her fall he switched aim and fired three more shots, one missed, two hit her. He knew exactly where the magazine rack was and was further able to hone in on the target of her head because of her screams. They were not panicky double tap or rapid shots as Pistorius claimed, but measured shots with intervals. He knew who was behind the door and he knew exactly what he was doing. He will RIP......Rot In Prison.
they were arguing, he threatened her so she ran to the toilet to hide but he got his gun in hot temper and shot her through the door..it was a crime of passion but he killed her knowing she was in the bathroom. he was a wound up spring ready to explode
This sounds fairly accurate. I think this is as close to the thruth as we can come: At the 9:30 mark and onwards it is stated that loud arguments were heard, a woman scream, gunshots, more screams (Reeva getting hit by bullits) then silence. There is no way in the world that I am bying the "story" from Oscar. He might even have opened the window himself AFTER the murder. Because murder it is. (It was opening the window that triggered him into panic, so he told us.) So why shoot at an intruder, who is already locked up in the bathroom and who poses no real danger to him? My gut feeling tells me that he would have shouted at the top of his lungs out of the open window: "Help, help, help!!!" if he though there was a intruder in the bathroom. It is a natural thing to do.
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months. Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money. In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents. This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes). I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
If you look at the video of the shooting range scene of Oscar Pistorius you will notice he fires 4 shots and stops. This is the nature of how Oscar Pistorius shoots.
Agreed, if he was as paranoid as most South Africans about break ins and i put myself in his position here. it is very plausible that he did this out of fear of a home invasion,fear is as dangerous if not worse than anger.people need to recognise that.
@@KChelseaVenus "Plausible" dont be ignorant now..The world does not revolve around you.We are all entitled to an opinion..One could say that you are enabling Karens out here
Clearly all you need to know in this case to know this guy is guilty is that he gave a house key to his girlfriend, supposedly the only other person he let come in and out of his house as they wished. And he would have suspected that she would be inside his home before anyone else. And if he had any care whatsoever for her safety then he would have found out first if it was her then reacted to an intruder if it wasn’t. To top things off, this is Valentine’s Day, where lovers everywhere go to great lengths to surprise each other with romantic gestures, so every fiber of his being should have suspected it was her in his home. But now you have the neighbors as witnesses to him arguing with a woman just moments before they heard the gunshots. Even without the neighbors witnessing that, it still doesn’t make any sense as his story was told. Not even a little. It’s clear that he didn’t call out for her because he knew exactly who it was. There are a lot of narcissists out there that would take the lives of their partner without a second thought. These things happen all the time.
Suggestion that she had her phone in the bathroom because she was calling someone. Many people take their phone to the bathroom to check messages. What was her phone record like?
White Rich Man with privileges gets off lightly. Gets out of prison in 2 years while Reeva's family have to live without her for the rest of their lives. RIP Reeva 🌹
The title of this video is total click bait. They tell you nothing about actual determinations or conclusions in the case but instead ask all the questions that went unanswered in the early part of the investigation. No follow up.
Just the fact that she had a cell in the bathroom was evidence that she was calling someone... Or watching cat videos on RUclips. That part seemed flimsy.
The neighbors heard a woman screaming before the gunshots. He knew she was in the bathroom. That’s all you need to know the truth. He knew what he was doing.
But his career is over and he’s now also broke. There’ll be nothing to fall back to when he gets out. No money, so much hates and humiliation waiting for him. And in his condition with no source of income and no career, I doubt what kind of life that would be for him. How the mighty have fallen. Poor thing.
Yes, jealousy based on pride causes people to go so far as murder. The Bible mentions the first murder in human history. Cain killed Abel his brother due to jealousy account is in the first book of the Bible.
Killing and hurting others are wrong, wrong, and wrong. My life has taught me, you cannot have everything all of the time. I am happy that Oscar overcame his barriers. I have woman and man who say, " If I can't have you, then no one can have you.". Possession of another can only lead to bad outcomes.
Why is that so far fetched?? She could of went in to use the bathroom look at her phone... 😂 what do u mean who locks themselves in there boyfriends bathroom??
This crime was committed in South Africa,. Not in The USA,.... Completely different environment and set of procedures, so cannot you cannot recreate such a awful incident.
I’m glad in the review of the case that self defense was removed from the options. He fired 3 shots with the intent to kill whoever was behind the door. Reeva or someone else.
Ke Dro I lean towards that too. I just don’t buy that you hear a noise and don’t instinctively check if your partner is there before shooting a gun through a locked door. I also thought it weird that Reeva locked the door to the toilet in the first place. Who would bother to lock it in the middle of the night, unless you were trying to get away from someone. I just don’t get why though. What happened to make him do that? Very sad. My heart broke for her lovely parents.
Jules C the very fist thing any normal person would do is make your partner aware that there is some one other than the two of you in your property no ifs not buts ! he killed her because he's a very jealous thing that couldent handle the fact she wanted out the relationship cos of the wiredo that he is and like you I feel the parents pain at losing there beautiful baby girl to a mad monster, should rot in hell or worse, karma is a great thing, goes around comes around is my belief !
Unfortunately I have a relative getting married in South Africa I or family will not go after watching the trial of this worthless coward O Pistoris I feel the country justice system is a pathetic disgrace.
I am South African and no family of mine or even friends that I know,have been victims of crime.Crime happens all around the world.I watch enough crime shows to know that evil lurks in every part of society and in every country.
The gun dealer is Very Correct:how can you panic in a situation like that if you can manage to do things infront of thousands of people during an Olympics?.
It ISN'T; "Reeva, The Fall of an Innocent Girl" it's; "Oscar, The Fall of a Titan." A clear demonstration that Hollywood inherently gets the context not just wrong, but EXACTLY backwards. It's infuriating. She was SUCH a beautiful, STUNNING woman. What kind of idiot, what kind of MORON would shoot a woman like that?! You don't SHOOT a woman like that! (Not with a gun, anyway lol 💦) 🤣👍
What's not understood by these american investigators etc is the concept that exists in SA around pre-distress trauma . This is through a combination of well founded fear of armed intruders in your own home and the constant not knowing if you're next. This is very real in SA as so many people are attacked even in gated communities and murdered or raped. Did he simply over react and shoot anything that moved? - possibly. I however do think he killed her out of rage and the fear of her leaving him because he was an angry man at the end of his true career and she wanted more. If he couldn't have her nobody could.
You bring up a very valuable point which is not really addressed. Living in South Africa under constant threat of your life being in jepardy, would evolve a person to think differently given a fight or flight senario, especially when you do you feel any police force is going to protect you. This is not the experience of most who have an opinion on this case, does given you the advantage of seeing life through a difierent lense.
@@annechris2677 Anne I personally don't think he was unfaithful, I think he genuinely loved her. I personally think she might have been although understanding the Afrikaner profile (albeit by conservative religeous stereotype only) I'd imagine she simply wanted to leave him. He was heartbroken and angry at the betrayal. A failing career, loss of manhood in his limbs, fear of never being good enough and rage made him kill her. I think the jury got it right.
she was a humble,friendly,kind soul.she had a tuft of hair that always used to stand up on top of her head and thats how she got nicknamed Alfie,from the tv show?the world lost a lot when Reeva passed away.
This video tells me nothing let alone how forensic science condemned Oscar. It's just a bunch of people stating "I don't know, what do you think" . Waste of time
Never break up with someone with a temper, when you’re alone. During my divorce, my attorney advised me to never be alone with my estranged husband. Even my attorney picked up on his violent temper.
She needed to leave, go to a safe place, and never go back. RIP.
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months.
Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money.
In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents.
This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes).
I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
As a loving partner, Oscar came up short.
@@gailwaters814 Sounds like a fairy tale the way you describe the scenario in your last sentences. Hate to bust the deluded bubble but he is a PSYCHOPATH and nothing at all would've changed that. He should've been in prison for life but instead he got off easy like OJ.
Why would an intruder be in his toilet? And he didn't notice his girlfriend was not there. And then the sobbing voice all the time so people will feel sorry for him. He wasn't being attacked he was shooting at a door. He killed her because he wanted to.
It's all b******* it's sad he just killed her and got away with it now if it was a black South African you know he would there were probably wouldn't have been a trial I can't believe how he's locked up over there and his little community and think somebody's going to come in his house to take a piss that just doesn't make sense
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months.
Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money.
In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents.
This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes).
I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
I never believed Oscar Pistorius’ story that he thought there was an “intruder” in his home. Never believed his story and never will. And shooting at the bathroom door 4 times??? Nah, he could have gotten up and looked to see if in reality there was a stranger inside his home. It is ashamed that this lady Reva died, she was a very beautiful woman with her whole life ahead of her, and he was a very jealous and obsessed man who resorted to murdering her. And I believe he got a “pass” when it came to his prison term. He should have been sentenced to life in prison ......but just 6 or 8 years that he got? It is outrageous and disgraceful. A true miscarriage of justice. Reva was sentenced for life!!! A human life was lost, doesn’t that count for something??? But every country has its own laws and rules but it sucks that he only has to spend so little time in jail because of his wealth and money. Shame on him. I hope this case is an eye opener to any woman out there who might want to get involved with him. Oscar Pistorius has “issues” and a “very bad temper.” He should have anger management sessions with a mental health professional. He disgust me.
It was changed to 15 years
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months.
Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money.
In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents.
This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes).
I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
Every mother should warn their daughters ...and keep them away from him
Its easy to say words like that in the US or western countries where you live.
But if you have only one leg and rich in South Africa is a huge difference..
The crimes there are very rough!
@@nkadimashiane He recently got out...free man now, what a disgrace! He will do something horrible again, it's inevitable, and hopefully next time be in there for life like he deserves!
OP was very particular about security. His home was in a very well guarded gated community w/heavy security personnel, his home was loaded w/security system. And his story was that he thought an intruder was hiding in his toilet, and shot through the door in fear for his life.... He had argument w/gf, he comes after her (and yes he can fast w/t the prosthetic legs), she locks herself in toilet w/her cellphone. His frustration increases, grabs 1 of his guns, loads and fires 4 shots. She’s stuck in a tight space, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. He doesn’t belong in prison, he belongs under it.
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you forgot to mention that she just peed, so she could have also taken her phone to the toilet to pee and lost time a bit checking messages, not wanting to wake him up.
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months.
Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money.
In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents.
This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes).
I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
@@gailwaters814 i like that someone develops their position a bit in full sentences (sorry for falling short here; I'm typing on a small fon here between other jobs.
I'm not much invested in the case. my basic interest in these cases is about a response to social media bullying: what kind of response do people expect from a falsely accused innocent person to help his case.
to my surprise, i found many murder mysteries easy to solve as an intelligent impartial outsider. occasionally i found later confirmed that i was correct or largely correct. so I got interested why so many people were highly invested in obviously false solutions, which would have typically made them part of a lynchmob not long ago. here are factors i commonly found:
1. overstating certainty is rampant. such posters almost never state any credentials, even anecdotal ones.
2. people tend to start of with a narrative along ideologicsl lines, then look for confirmation, again along ideologicsl lines. they post their views among posters of similar bias. however, outside of professionals and the rare high IQ poster, there are almost never indicators that these biases are reflected at all.
3. arguments contain very few, often poorly checked or contextualized facts but massive elaboration.
4. i almost never see evidence to contradict the poster's assumptions considered.
5. people have no noticable fear to falsely accuse someone.
6. when it turns out conclusively that they were mistaken, i almost never see any of them apologize or correct their position.
i believe that I notice these points because my lives needs have cultivated diametrically opposite reflexes. i assume these people's lives and ressources are probably not dependent on finding counterintuitive truths as much as social approval, something i, obviously, have little faith in.
i do not care to win this argument and will say if i made a mistake. however, I would be interested to learn, if you care to share, how you honestly feel about my objections and if you would allow that they could pertain to your argument to any degree.
to zoom out, my real interest is whether pursuit of truth has any merit in protection against false accusations.
I'm considering whether it is not really just a trap because it tends to want you to engage and persuade when that is really pointless and one should focus on intimidation, obfuscation and evasion.... ie a falsely accused innocent person should maybe behave more like a guilty person to be safe from bullying, losses and violence?
@@gailwaters814 IMHO Even he had a fully abled body, OP is the type of man who would have eventually seriously harmed someone. Some are able to kill in self defense or in defense of others in danger. He knew who was in his bathroom and it was a willful act on his part to unload his gun on her. The ballistics report proves it. He’s a vicious killer and fully capable of killing again.
I believe Oscar had a HUGE chip on his shoulder, quick temper, and suffering from severe affluenza - he thought he was untouchable - shooting live ammo in public, in a restaurant and a car???? Where would any other one of us in SA get away with crap like that? Rot in pieces, Oscar.
He was released from prison not long after you posted this comment.
I was struck by what the gun shop guy said. If its your house you know whats going on in there. He knew Reeva was there and you'd expect him to make sure he knew it wasn't her before opening fire. From what I've heard about him he had anger issues and if she was going to leave him he could have flipped...
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months.
Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money.
In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents.
This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes).
I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
@@gailwaters814 To me personally it is hard to believe that OP is a killer. If the bullet to her head missed by 2 inches she would have confessed about OP after the accident... Yet he stopped firing after 4 shots. Maybe OP just blacked out of anger and didn't know what he was doing. Meaning he saw black. It's still a mystery. Let's go on OP's word. Only the Lord can judge and the Lord judges no one. It's a very sad story maybe OP really didn't know who was behind the door and shot at the door for publicity media attention or something. Young men do stupid things like that especially when they get a new gun. Life goes on... I'm happy OP is still alive though. I don't think he is a monster. Maybe just young and wet behind the ears. The Lord says forgive 70 x 7. I must say that the same thing happened to me once. My dad's old friend and old neighbor almost choked me with a pillow when I came home from a night club 3 am in the morning because he didn't know our new home in Capetown for the August cycling so he slept over and thought I was a intruder. These things do really happen. Jesus died 3pm so the devil created 3am to spite Jesus. All spirits and demons walk the earth 3am. This is what happened that night.
We have MANY armed robberies here. Very scary. Also, he may have been disorientated when he woke up.
80 murders a year here...
@@gailwaters814still absolutely no excuse to Murder someone in cold blood , murder is illegal for a reason , legs or no legs dose not give Oscar the excuse to kill someone , with four bullets , lots and lots of people live with grief and , absolutely devastating illness or loss of Limbs but they don’t pick up a loaded firearm.. Point it at the bathroom door , locked bathroom door knowing fine well , someone was behind that door .. and fire four bullets in to the door.. Oscar wouldn’t even be able to claim self defence as no one had a weapon pointed at him .. Oscar committed first degree murder and nothing less then that
Why are they making continuous references to Hollywood? This is not a Hollywood film….This murder actually happened and Reeva was not a character, she was an actual person……..I don't care if these forensic consultants worked on the set of Dexter or CSI….I care about their ACTUAL FORENSIC CREDENTIALS AND HOW THEIR SKILLS WERE USED TO FIND FORENSIC EVIDENCE IN THIS CRIME…….
I hate crime dramas. Or anything that takes facts and twists them to make them “interesting”
My first thought was that the opening credits reminded me of 'CSI: Crime Scene Investigations', not a documentary.
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months.
Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money.
In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents.
This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes).
I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
When you wake up in the night and the person you went to bed with is not beside you and someone is in the bathroom it’s common sense to assume who’s in the bathroom… He’s handicap but he’s not stupid… He came up with the first line of crap he could and I’m astounded he was able to use such nonsense as a defense.. he murdered her purposely and sure he regretted it the moment he was arrested… He was so sorry for himself…
He woke up, adjusted the fans and heard the screen window.
Sleep disoriented, dreamlike response.
I am not convinced he was in his right mind.
Negligent homicide by firing into a closed bathroom. He deserves some time.
Did he fire to defend himself and Reeva?
Or from passion.
Prosecution seems willing to lie to get their judgement.
@@johncannonnh the prosecution did not lie.
that sucks
@@johncannonnhThere is some evidence suggesting that Oscar's relationship with Reeva was incredibly toxic. Oscar withheld his second phone from the police and only gave it to them when he deleted the messages he sent to Reeva. Reeva's autopsy showed that she was incredibly stressed moments before she died. Reeva's clothing has a hole in which while argued looks to be from the gun shot, it bares are more striking resemblance to someone ripping it. There was also a wound on her back which shows she either fell over something and hit her back or someone hit her back instead. The injury looked to have either been caused by a cricket bat or a piece of furniture. There is also Oscar's behaviour at the start of the relationship where he is described to be controlling and even stalked Reeva without her consent.
There is other evidence such as the toilet, as the only way for that candy cane pattern to have been made was is if the toilet was flushed 20 seconds before the shooting, which means that Oscar was certainly aware someone was on the toilet when he fired at it.
@@johncannonnhi agree. Sometimes my husband goes to the bathroom at night and I don't notice. Also they vad exchanged a few words shortly before he stood up to move the fans so he assumed she was still in bed when he heard the noises. South Africa is an extremely violent nation and he acted quick , did not take a risk
Oscar Pistorius is 100% guilty of murdering Reeva Steenkamp. When you're in a brand new relationship like they were, and you're in bed with your boyfriend or girlfriend, the two of you are either having sex all night (it was Valentine's Day, after all) or you're sleeping very close to each other, perhaps intertwined together. There is no way that OP didn't know that his Reeva wasn't in the bed with him. If you think you hear a burglar in your house, you will first turn to your partner, wake them, and then get up and get your weapon, etc. He didn't do that because they were never asleep in bed. I think they had an argument that evening, maybe she wanted to end things or maybe something happened and the chip on his shoulder got chipped at further and he violently reacted. She ran in fear for her life and locked herself in the bathroom, and Blade Runner lost his damn mind, ran after her and shot her repeatedly. He should be roting in jail without his prosthetics.
Yes I think so too
Couldn’t agree more, the fact he wants us to be live without his prosthetics he got down her side of the bed used his balance not a hand on bed to get up. I don’t believe one second they were in bed at all. I think they started physical fight downstairs leading to her to go upstairs for her belonging I then believe he chased or shot air rifle through door at her back. Wether bat was used before after murder it was rage it was anger I can’t believe he might get out soon. He should rot in there for life
@@staceyyoungson9189 I know
The thing is that he stood up to get the fans inside.He believed she was still in bed... I don't know... i have a doubt
@@romanireva he found out she had coffee with ex boyfriend it was valentines they were up late eating supper. Fans is just distraction or excuse for us to believe they were in bed & he didn’t hear her getting up, but what sealed it for me. No women in privacy of her man’s bedroom would ever use a key lock to go to the bathroom while they slept and you also don’t shoot without knowing where loved ones are. Even if I hear anything first thing I do is wake my partner. Cold blooded murder through jealousy rage. Do I believe he regrets it and has remorse absolutely but not so much for reeva more for himself.
Logically...if you think there is a intruder in your home the first thing You do is check on your loved ones and have Everyone Get Out Of The House Fast! Run to a neighbors and call for help!! And the Bathroom was upstairs in His case...he had all the time he needed to check on his girlfriend to find out if she was still in bed with him! So guilty it is sickening! 🤮
What's the first thing you do if you hear something....wake up your partner
Under 3 minutes in and I have to comment because this pissed me off.
Guy- "I keep going back to Riva, I really think that she's an interesting character"
Hey buddy, she wasn't a character! She was a human being and a wonderful one lets not forget. She was murdered in cold blood and did not get the justice she deserved! Neither did her poor family.
The murder is being analyzed as if it were a movie being scripted. Could what is claimed to have ocurred ascertained as plausible when you turn it into a crime scene , in a movie.
I like how your comment goes on about how this us someone who did not get her justice for her murder but your whole reason for it is because someone called her a “character” like that matters i mean what it is is you clearly took the word “character” and took it to far i mean ik what it was meant in this case and im not mad because its clear what he meant
Don't be a casualty, cut the cord Actually Oscar did eventually get a life sentence for her Murder he got 25yrs! Check it if you don’t believe me!
Don't be a casualty, cut the cord she had a character though. We all do.
@@thebiscuitrose Yes this excerpt is inadequate in several ways.
He gets out in 2 years. Shocking
@poxy poo lt sure is !!!!
That's not true. He will have his first parole hearing in 2023, which doesn't mean he will be released.
I'll be waiting ...
Not anymore
His sentence was lengthened from 6 to 15 total years.
He'd better take acting lessons so when he kills the next one, he will be more believable.
Just for a second - lets just look at the logic of an 'intruder' soooo, I've hypothetically broken into someones home - what intruder in their right mind locks themselves in an upstairs bathroom! That is a trap - an intruder, one would imagine, would look for the first exit DOWNSTAIRS - thats what an intruder is going to do - ESCAPE, not go upstairs and lock themselves in a BATHROOM to get caught and incriminate themselves in a crime! So ridiculous!
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months.
Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money.
In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents.
This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes).
I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
This was a tragedy we looked up to him as a hero in school people were very proud of him we are always proud of our fellow south africans who make it big in the world... But after all of this I clearly saw that the man we praised was a narcissistic lying deceiving murdered that thinks he can get away because he has no legs.. He couldn't control his anger he killed her and now he wants to walk free if he come out in 2 years he will have to hide or get away from South Africa because the people here don't want him to walk free ...
I was lucky enough to never of known about this until grade 5 when we did a documentary of him in English, but I do feel for those who saw him as a hero and then this happened.
imagine how many people like this are still out there somewhere in the world and people praise them and call them heroes as well
"he wants to walk free" kind of preposterous for a man with no legs.
That's what makes me so mad just because he had prosthetics and he can run doesn't mean he didn't murder that girl he had a scary streak and she was scared of him and the police knew about it he should be locked under the jail
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months.
Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money.
In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents.
This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes).
I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
“...was it self-defence or committed in the heat of passion...”
Why isn’t 'cold-blooded murder' an option?
Terrible story. This isn’t about Hollywood. They aren’t characters . I hate when they say he had a beautiful girlfriend “ ok if she was ugly ??
david groves she was beautiful my point is that , that fact doesn’t really matter in this situation if she was beautiful or not either way she’s dead. The media throws that in all the time to prove their “point” that he had to have been so jealous because she was “beautiful” So they should throw in how handsome he is because he is! But nobody would give a shit because it isn’t a fuckin Hollywood beauty contest it’s a crime story
it´s offensive to her, her family and all that are grieving here, he´s a cold blooded killer , Hollywood should not praise such a specie, Oscar the fallen of a titan? are you kidding me? it should be about her, not about him...
I totally agree. It subtle but to them there are good beautiful entitled people, then there are the rest of us. The problem is treating people accordingly. It seems people don't get that. They don't get their bias about people dictates how they view and treat people, especially when it comes to good, innocence, and in entitled. Why can't people not judge and treat people decently since you are 100% wrong about someone when you judge.
cockney gyal you don’t need to have a big heart”! To date a man who is a double amputee not paraplegic you just not be shallow and just love him for who he is. You do get with a person because you feel pity for them that’s not love . And he had everything going for himself too. He was an athlete who over came his odds and she was a model
cockney gyal no he didn’t they were in a relationship. Why are u acting like she did him a favor . How did he take advantage of her.?? U only know what the media put out there. This man was an athlete with 2 prosthetic legs how did he take advantage of her? I’m lost .
This is gun safety, according to Oscar Pistorius:
BANG, BANG, BANG!!! "Is that you dear??"
Then ... BANG.
Lol. Shouldnt be funny ... but your accurate synopsis -- when stated that way-- lol
@@dsoule4902
lt was bang on... :-)
The answer why Reeva was in the bathroom is... because thats the place she run to hide fr pistorius, he was after her and she thought shell be safe.
But he ran after her
True
@@slungubane9024 Ditto !!
@@vernamorales2064 ??
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@@slungubane9024 Ditto means l agree
Why would an intruder be in the bathroom?With the door closed no less?
you never robbed a house and needed a shit.
BOMB61. FIRST WORLD ARTIST. Ahahahaaaa
@@SIMO-nr4tn have you?
It it truly astounding how far people will go to defend a guy that shot and killed his gf while she was on the toilet. Celebrity privilege at it's finest
They had an argument in the middle of the night and she ended the relationship. He turned violent because he could never control his temper, she became terrified and ran to the toilet. In the end he lost it and shot knowing for sure that she was behind the door. NO ONE BELIEVES HIS STORY - HE IS A MURDERER AND SHOULD NEVER BE RELEASED FROM PRISON.
If he thought there was an intruder and was afraid for his life WHY did he not turn to where he thought Reeva was.. in bed next to him, and wake her, this would be in my opinion the 1st thing that anyone would do, he is guilty.
Yep. She would have been screaming her head off anyway for whatever reason.
I know right
But she was already awake , she asked him if he could sleep ? The fans were on and loud , she went to the loo , he thought she was still in bed , he was on his wobbly stumps already paranoid as fuck that someone was in there hiding from them after getting through the bathroom window , he messed up big time yes and is paying for it now , but I don't believe he did he mean to kill her , the guy had it all and is now broken. It's a tragic accident. The screams heard were Oscars not Reeves as proved in court . And no arguing was heard either .
@@evien3790 he is a narcissist who abused other women. He had a history of being jealous as well. What person doesn’t have any sense of another person in the same bedroom moving? We have peripheral vision, if he had enough light to move fans he could see her leaving the bed. Do you think OJ is innocent as well? Just because you have money & a good life doesn’t preclude you from committing a crime.
@@HandbagDiva no , I think OJ is guilty and I don't believe OP is innocent , I don't know enough about him to call him a narcissist either. I just think that it's possible under the circumstances he was terrified / paranoid and made a tragic mistake .
Pure jealously killed that poor woman!
Yes
Yes
He wanted to punish her Oscar did a real good job, she was locked in the bathroom trying to protect herself from him screaming the place down. He terrorized her, but not content with that he murdered her. They should throw away the keys and leave him to rot!
1. Reeva happily goes to bed, having packed all her clothes neatly away in her bag, including her underwear and the top she was wearing, while leaving her jeans inside-out at the bottom of the bed.
2. OP wakes in the night and immediately puts his hands over his face. He takes them off long enough to glance over and notice Reeva’s legs under the duvet. He then puts his hands back over his face to get out of bed - pushing aside a duvet that is not actually on him.
3. He walks around to Reeva’s side of the bed, without either looking at her or telling her what he’s doing. She doesn’t ask, either.
4. Once his back is completely turned, Reeva silently scrambles across to his side of the bed and walks totally noiselessly and in the pitch black to the toilet.
5. Never once facing the bed, OP brings both fans in and positions them at the end of the bed. How he did that with his back to the bed the entire time, I am unable to fathom. He either stood with his back to the bed, and put the fans in front of him and then walked around them, or positioned them with his arms behind him.
6. In spite of the pitch-black room, he notices jeans on the floor. He is bothered by a small LED light enough to want to cover them with said jeans - but not bothered by the lit-up LED display, the light on the TV or the lights on the light switches.
7. He hears a terrifying sound from the bathroom and is frozen with fear. At no point does it cross his mind that it may have been the person sharing the bedroom and bathroom with him making the noise - nope, he’s so convinced it can’t be her, he doesn’t even bother to turn his head and glance in her direction.
8. He doesn’t seek to clarify what he’s heard with his awake girlfriend who is feet away from him. He doesn’t wonder if she heard it too and is scared.
9. He feels particularly vulnerable because he’s on his stumps, but doesn’t take a few seconds to put on the legs that are, actually, right next to him.
10. He stops being frozen with fear and heads for his gun, making his way around the fans that he has just positioned in front of the bed. He holds into the bed for balance, and says not-a-word to the person who is in it regarding the fact that he believes that there are intruders in the next room and he needs to arm himself.
11. He reaches under the bed for the gun, careful not to glance across at the person he believes is in it.
12. He stands up, faces the passage and whispers/speaks quietly to Reeva, telling her to get down and call the police without actually telling her why. He is not surprised that she doesn’t ask or that she doesn’t bother to get out of bed and get down as instructed.
13. He makes his way in terror to the bathroom - ignoring the door that he and Reeva could have escaped through and the panic alarm that would have brought immediate help.
14. He’s so desperate to put himself between the intruders and Reeva that he doesn’t actually check where Reeva is.
15. He is too scared to put the light on but not too scared to start screaming as soon as he starts walking down the passage.
16. He is walking slowly and quietly down the passage, screaming.
17. Reeva hears the screaming but is too scared of the intruder to respond and give away her position, so she slams the door.
18. OP screams at Reeva to call the police. She fails to do this even though she has her phone with her.
19. OP gets to the bathroom doorway, and stops screaming so that the intruders won’t know where he is.
20.When he sees that there’s no one in the bathroom, he starts screaming again.
21. Reeva stands facing the door, making no effort to speak to her screaming boyfriend - who is now standing right outside the toilet door. She doesn’t wonder if he wants to come into the toilet and hide with her; she selfishly hides, silently locking the door and says nothing.
22. Somehow she steps backwards to knock the magazine rack on the other side of the toilet before immediately stepping forward again to the position she was in when she was shot.
23. OP has many thoughts running though his head - a story about a neighbour being tied up in his house, the crime rate in SA, the builder leaving a ladder outside his house, the folly of shooting a warning shot into the shower in case it ricochets and hits him, but a noise from the toilet has all thoughts disappearing from his mind like a fart in the wind and he shoots once, moves position and shoots three more times without actually meaning to….all the while screaming.
24. He stands screaming for a bit, then walks backwards out of the bathroom screaming.
25. He gets to the bedroom, screaming, and is a trifle surprised to see that Reeva is not sitting in bed after hearing four gunshots from the en suite bathroom.
26. He heads across the bed backwards, keeping his eyes on the passage….she’s not there. He walks along the gap between the bed and the curtains; she’s not there. She’s not behind the curtains either.
27. Gasp. Was that Reeva in the toilet? He doesn’t even bother checking to see whether she’s run out of the bedroom - that would be a ridiculous thing to do given that the shooting was in the bathroom, so he sees no sense in even checking (yes, he actually said that).
28. He runs with his gun back to the bathroom and tries to pull open the door - he’s still scared it may be an intruder, and hopeful it’s not Reeva, but he doesn’t bother checking to see if there’s a ladder outside the window.
29. He runs back to the bedroom, parts the curtains and shouts for help from the balcony….holding a cocked gun in his hand because he’s still scared.
30. He puts down his gun, sits on the bed, looks for his socks, puts on his legs then picks up his gun again to run to the bathroom - all in the pitch black because he tells us he never opened the curtains or put on the light.
31. Kicking the door doesn’t work, so he runs back for his bat. He then runs back to the bathroom with a cocked gun in one hand and a cricket bat in the other.
* Oh, I almost forgot - throughout all of this he is screaming like a woman, except when he goes onto the balcony to shout for help in a man’s voice.
All of the above takes him 15 minutes
32. Back in the bathroom, he puts down the gun and hits the door three times with enough ferocity that six people think they are gunshots. Four of those people had slept through the real gunshots 15 minutes earlier - seemingly not bothered by a sound 1000 times louder than the sound that they are hearing now.
33. Once he breaks down the door and sees Reeva bloody and not breathing, he is as silent as a monk. No more screaming - he is too “sad” to scream anymore.
34. In spite of screaming at Reeva to call the police three times, it doesn’t occur to him to do the same himself now.
35. He sits sobbing over her, then pulls her against him, feeling her blood run on to him - although it only manages to stain his shorts and forearms.
36. He is so distraught by Reeva’s condition, that getting medical help for her is not his first thought….calling a friend is.
37. He psychically knows that Netcare will tell him to get Reeva to hospital himself so he calls Stander to help him lift her so he can do this.
38. He then calls Netcare to be given the worst medical advice of all time - to take a woman who has been shot three times, once in the head, to hospital himself.
39. He calls Security for help, then sobs down the phone to them. When they call him back, he forgets to ask for help and tells them he is fine.
40. He runs downstairs, careful to switch off the alarm first and opens the door, crying.
41. Coming back upstairs he smashes his way through the bedroom double-doors before simply unlatching them.
42. He carries Reeva through the bedroom, leaving a dissected line of blood that is half on carpet and half on the duvet on the bed - which the police can handily line up later making it look like the duvet was on the floor all along and that OP is one enormous great big fat liar.
I could go on, but my dinner is ready.
I am starting to think that anyone who truly believes this man is innocent is slightly divorced from reality. It’s the biggest load of bullcrap I have ever, ever heard. Seriously.
Fully agreed!
Of course you are right Jesus.
My god... on point (didn’t expect anything less, but still).👌🏼
jesus h christ Great theory and thanks for the evidentiary breakdown...Very valid indeed !
He was egotistical and paranoid of the gangsterish bouncers in johannesburg wanting to kill him... if you're paranoid like that your mind can make quick and stupid assumptions.
Just another note: no one brought up Valentine's day. I read somewhere that she had a card and gift for him. Where was his gift to her? In such early stages of courtship, a man will make sure he makes a big deal of Valentine's day
He had apparently, made a collage foor Reeva
his temper got the better of him that night
THe video is not about what it says in the title. What is this, some baseless pre-trial hypothesising? Wasted my time.
melanieenmats thank you
Thanks; I will skip it.
I know right!!! Is this based on Science or Hollywood....They can't make up their mind!!!!!!
melanieenmats Thanks. I suspected after a couple of minutes so checked out the comments!
Disappointed in this video
For every action we make, it comes with consequences. The consequences depend on 2 things, wise decision, and bad decision. At the end of the day, we will experience one of the consequences not two. So choose wisely.
Thank you for writing that.
Excellent observation!
Queue the terrible intro music.
His ex girlfriend, also a beautiful blond, said on 20/20 that he blew his stack if she neglected to put her dish in the sink
Wow you’d think disability would make him more humble, the guy without legs but big ego.
@@JustBreatheOkay That is the fault of whoever raised him. Coddled entitled golden child turned into a narcissist psychopath.
He killed her without any question knowing who is in the toilet.
F. Moussa That's not what the high court and court of appeal said. Let's hope you never get to do jury service, as you obviously can't tell the difference between " facts " and " assumptions". Oscars version was accepted and is on record !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@tinamaher3940 thx for your lonely voice Tina
F. Moussa you are absolutely right. No innocent man would pull a trigger without alerting others especially with those they are sleeping with.
He knew that was Reeva 100%
Mistaken identity? She was behind the bathroom door while he was right outside of it with a gun!!
No one with any brains would empty the gun and leave themselves with an unloaded gun. But he was guilty because of the way he approached the door - that is not like he thought someone could shoot at him from the other side - he knew it was her behind the door.
The first thing a woman being threatened by a partner does is to grab her phone and lock herself in a bathroom.
Why is he asking *gun shop owners* about Oscar's disability ???
FOOTNOTE
Having said that I think they had some of the best insights of any of them!
This whole documentary, style and presentation, is utterly mind numbing.
Martin
Thanks Martin.
Tom
@@tc98826 lololol🤣
The only thing to prove in this case is,was it intentional or unintentional,and this is impossible to prove scientifically.
Exactly my point because he already admitted to shooting her. So what they really need to prove was whether the shooting was intentional or unintentional.
Being a South African man with a disability having to protect yourself and your loved ones when necessary can make you approach things differently. Have a fire arm or a baseball bat always ready in case of emergency to compensate for your perceived shortcoming.
Shame on his family and friends that did not call the police to convescate his weapons while knowing he has rage issues while doing irresponsible things with his fire arms.
I do not believe the people close to him were extremely shocked about what happened that night.
Common sense convicted Pistorius. What was he afraid was being stolen in his bathroom soap?!
Exactly, never heard of a Burglar politely using the loo with the door closed and locked before they burgle the house, especially when the home owner is home
Though part of bathroom, the toilet space had a door for privacy. Shooting her was like shooting fish in a barrel. She was trapped. He’s a fn coward.
@@jayesimond9301 it had a window?
Goodness Sake Idk, but it’s likely that she just locked herself in the master bath toilet to get away from him til he calmed down, or til someone came over to do so. Her cellphone records would show that. I don’t believe she thought that he’d actually shoot her, sadly. Nevertheless she died defenseless and terrorized.
I felt he did it when I heard his guilty cry in court, and he thought of something to lie about after he realized what he's done and how will he tell his and her family how evil he is.The whole story was all off as well.Im praying for the family and may she rip 🙏
She was standing behind the toilet door when the first bullet broke her hip. She started screaming and fell onto a magazine rack. When Pistorius heard her fall he switched aim and fired three more shots, one missed, two hit her. He knew exactly where the magazine rack was and was further able to hone in on the target of her head because of her screams. They were not panicky double tap or rapid shots as Pistorius claimed, but measured shots with intervals. He knew who was behind the door and he knew exactly what he was doing. He will RIP......Rot In Prison.
hes out in a few moreyears and still is young and rich with entire life ahead of him.
The wide spacing of the holes in the door confirms what you are saying.
I agree with you. He needs to rot. Nothing his family says or do can change the monster they have created.
@@emilegriffith1473He will always be remembered as a murderer. That is his legacy FOREVER. He is a monster.
People filled with darkness love snuffing out the light in others. Oscar is a dark soul.
they were arguing, he threatened her so she ran to the toilet to hide but he got his gun in hot temper and shot her through the door..it was a crime of passion but he killed her knowing she was in the bathroom. he was a wound up spring ready to explode
This sounds fairly accurate. I think this is as close to the thruth as we can come: At the 9:30 mark and onwards it is stated that loud arguments were heard, a woman scream, gunshots, more screams (Reeva getting hit by bullits) then silence. There is no way in the world that I am bying the "story" from Oscar. He might even have opened the window himself AFTER the murder. Because murder it is. (It was opening the window that triggered him into panic, so he told us.) So why shoot at an intruder, who is already locked up in the bathroom and who poses no real danger to him? My gut feeling tells me that he would have shouted at the top of his lungs out of the open window: "Help, help, help!!!" if he though there was a intruder in the bathroom.
It is a natural thing to do.
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced OP killed her in a fit of rage because he had deep-seated (and very understandable) complexes from having his legs amputated at age 11 months.
Reeva's mother said they never had sex, and one can see they paraded each other at celebrity events. If these words from an angry and bereaved mother are true, it looks overwhelmingly like Reeva just wanted them to be friends while being a "celebrity power couple". That way they both got more media attention and more money.
In the end her extra fame got her a lot of attention (also from other men), and I think that probably nudged her to stop the fake relationship in favor of her "next step" toward take financial care of her aging parents.
This same issue (being replaced) must have eaten at OP's mind, especially with his tragic mental issues. He probably felt a lot of rage about being replaced by a "normal" man ... and I can't blame him for that. He seemed to live his whole life trying to prove he was just as capable as any other man (hence playing normal rugby with prosthetics in high school, and forcing the IOC to allow him to race against "normal" athletes).
I really feel for the guy and his issues, but he should obviously never have shot her. It ended her life and his. It would have been better if he had accepted his tragic limitation at a young age, which would have allowed him to develop spiritually and emotionally, which would have led him to find a woman who could really love him and support him. In that scenario I doubt he would have become a famous, game-changing athlete, but he would have found peace.
If you look at the video of the shooting range scene of Oscar Pistorius you will notice he fires 4 shots and stops. This is the nature of how Oscar Pistorius shoots.
Agree
Agreed, if he was as paranoid as most South Africans about break ins and i put myself in his position here. it is very plausible that he did this out of fear of a home invasion,fear is as dangerous if not worse than anger.people need to recognise that.
4 calculated shots , He knew exactly what he was doing, and what he was Aiming for murder , just cold blooded Murder .. he’s a coward simple as that
@@mqs0557 Oh cut the enabling bs crap
@@KChelseaVenus "Plausible" dont be ignorant now..The world does not revolve around you.We are all entitled to an opinion..One could say that you are enabling Karens out here
Clearly all you need to know in this case to know this guy is guilty is that he gave a house key to his girlfriend, supposedly the only other person he let come in and out of his house as they wished. And he would have suspected that she would be inside his home before anyone else. And if he had any care whatsoever for her safety then he would have found out first if it was her then reacted to an intruder if it wasn’t. To top things off, this is Valentine’s Day, where lovers everywhere go to great lengths to surprise each other with romantic gestures, so every fiber of his being should have suspected it was her in his home. But now you have the neighbors as witnesses to him arguing with a woman just moments before they heard the gunshots. Even without the neighbors witnessing that, it still doesn’t make any sense as his story was told. Not even a little. It’s clear that he didn’t call out for her because he knew exactly who it was. There are a lot of narcissists out there that would take the lives of their partner without a second thought. These things happen all the time.
Suggestion that she had her phone in the bathroom because she was calling someone. Many people take their phone to the bathroom to check messages. What was her phone record like?
So why would she feel the need to lock the door going to the loo at her new lovers home?
I got the impression he was a bit of a princess. I bet he's never had to be responsible for himself.
That's how narcissists are created.
"the one witness who can never lie", riiiight, because there's been no wrongful convictions based on forensic science.
It doesnt matter what the reason he shold be in prison forever because he shot his girlfriend.
White Rich Man with privileges gets off lightly. Gets out of prison in 2 years while Reeva's family have to live without her for the rest of their lives.
RIP Reeva 🌹
The title of this video is total click bait. They tell you nothing about actual determinations or conclusions in the case but instead ask all the questions that went unanswered in the early part of the investigation. No follow up.
Yea I kept waiting for the video to show how forensics proved it wasn't an accident and that never happened. total clickbait!
Just the fact that she had a cell in the bathroom was evidence that she was calling someone... Or watching cat videos on RUclips. That part seemed flimsy.
Yeah, I get depressed when I forget to bring my cellphone in the bathroom... Which is hardly ever.
Why is Pistorius referred to as Oscar? He's not your friendly neighbour but probably a cold-blooded killer. To me this familiarity is not appropriate.
relying on experts that work on Hollywood crime dramas is ridiculous in the extreme!
The neighbors heard a woman screaming before the gunshots. He knew she was in the bathroom. That’s all you need to know the truth. He knew what he was doing.
Comparing this to the OJ case and then saying "I'm DYING to see how that plays out in South Africa" is an extremely poor choice of words!
A beautiful , loving , caring young lady killed at the hands of a ? . Wish her family all the very best in all future endeavors .
Dude still got away with murder. He'll be out of jail before he's 40.
But his career is over and he’s now also broke. There’ll be nothing to fall back to when he gets out. No money, so much hates and humiliation waiting for him. And in his condition with no source of income and no career, I doubt what kind of life that would be for him. How the mighty have fallen. Poor thing.
Yes, jealousy based on pride causes people to go so far as murder. The Bible mentions the first murder in human history. Cain killed Abel his brother due to jealousy account is in the first book of the Bible.
This is the weirdest documentary I've ever seen, couldn't the producers actually come film it in SA. This is just a bunch of people's hypothesis.
An absolute great video. "Forensic science condemned Oscar".
Killing and hurting others are wrong, wrong, and wrong. My life has taught me, you cannot have everything all of the time. I am happy that Oscar overcame his barriers. I have woman and man who say, " If I can't have you, then no one can have you.". Possession of another can only lead to bad outcomes.
No he was the unfaithful one
He killed her cuz she was going to leave him I believe that
Her Valentine's card said otherwise
Would you go to the bathroom of your boyfriends house during the night and....LOCK THE DOOR ?
That's a very good point
it was a cubicle in the bathroom and out of habit I would lock the cubicle door
I would if I were in there hiding from him during a heated fight.
Excellent point. It is another indicator of her state of mind and his!
Why is that so far fetched?? She could of went in to use the bathroom look at her phone... 😂 what do u mean who locks themselves in there boyfriends bathroom??
These guys hiking in LA with full suits is cracking me up!
Only together for 3 months?????? Who wants to kill someone they been with for only 3 months? I think that alone proves he didn't mean to kill her.
Wait for a year then ???
Douggie F 😂😂😂😂😂
False
It’s so obvious - I would check the other person is to see if who else in house
annajeehee huh wut now?
annajeehee to see if who?
Yes so obvious. His story defies logic in so many ways. Thank god his sentence was doubled although 13 years is nothing considering Reeva
So sad story but I cant see what Oscars motiv could be..
It seems that he really loved her ..😢
Never heard it called the Valentine’s Day killing 😂
This crime was committed in South Africa,. Not in The USA,.... Completely different environment and set of procedures, so cannot you cannot recreate such a awful incident.
I’m glad in the review of the case that self defense was removed from the options. He fired 3 shots with the intent to kill whoever was behind the door. Reeva or someone else.
Jules C it was her and he new it 100% guaranty it, cold blooded murderer.
Ke Dro I lean towards that too. I just don’t buy that you hear a noise and don’t instinctively check if your partner is there before shooting a gun through a locked door.
I also thought it weird that Reeva locked the door to the toilet in the first place. Who would bother to lock it in the middle of the night, unless you were trying to get away from someone.
I just don’t get why though. What happened to make him do that?
Very sad. My heart broke for her lovely parents.
Jules C the very fist thing any normal person would do is make your partner aware that there is some one other than the two of you in your property no ifs not buts ! he killed her because he's a very jealous thing that couldent handle the fact she wanted out the relationship cos of the wiredo that he is and like you I feel the parents pain at losing there beautiful baby girl to a mad monster, should rot in hell or worse, karma is a great thing, goes around comes around is my belief !
It was 4 shots
@@poppyperidot94 ah ok I just know that Reeva was hit by 3 shots. Did the 4th shot miss her?
Unfortunately I have a relative getting married in South Africa I or family will not go after watching the trial of this worthless coward O Pistoris I feel the country justice system is a pathetic disgrace.
I am South African and no family of mine or even friends that I know,have been victims of crime.Crime happens all around the world.I watch enough crime shows to know that evil lurks in every part of society and in every country.
He did not serve a proper sentence because of who he is....money and fame are obviously above the law.....
He doin time u wank
OSTAP BENDERVAN ......He doin time you wank???!!!......your such an intellectual person....💋
The gun dealer is Very Correct:how can you panic in a situation like that if you can manage to do things infront of thousands of people during an Olympics?.
I say jealousy of Reeva wanting to end the relationship that led to Oscar killing his so called beloved girlfriend. The facts dont add up.
It ISN'T; "Reeva, The Fall of an Innocent Girl" it's; "Oscar, The Fall of a Titan."
A clear demonstration that Hollywood inherently gets the context not just wrong, but EXACTLY backwards. It's infuriating.
She was SUCH a beautiful, STUNNING woman. What kind of idiot, what kind of MORON would shoot a woman like that?!
You don't SHOOT a woman like that! (Not with a gun, anyway lol 💦) 🤣👍
I really think he really made a mistake
17:52:why go "towards that instead of trying to assess the situation"-good point
What's not understood by these american investigators etc is the concept that exists in SA around pre-distress trauma . This is through a combination of well founded fear of armed intruders in your own home and the constant not knowing if you're next. This is very real in SA as so many people are attacked even in gated communities and murdered or raped. Did he simply over react and shoot anything that moved? - possibly. I however do think he killed her out of rage and the fear of her leaving him because he was an angry man at the end of his true career and she wanted more. If he couldn't have her nobody could.
You bring up a very valuable point which is not really addressed. Living in South Africa under constant threat of your life being in jepardy, would evolve a person to think differently given a fight or flight senario, especially when you do you feel any police force is going to protect you. This is not the experience of most who have an opinion on this case, does given you the advantage of seeing life through a difierent lense.
Agree. I think he killed her because she ran off catching him unfaithful . Were the phones checked ?
@@annechris2677 Anne I personally don't think he was unfaithful, I think he genuinely loved her. I personally think she might have been although understanding the Afrikaner profile (albeit by conservative religeous stereotype only) I'd imagine she simply wanted to leave him. He was heartbroken and angry at the betrayal. A failing career, loss of manhood in his limbs, fear of never being good enough and rage made him kill her. I think the jury got it right.
He didn't have a leg to stand on.
Omg lol
🤣🤣🤣
The questions hes asking repeatedly are COMMON SENSE.
In my heart of hearts I believe he didn't mean to kill her but to scare her....I don't believe the burglar story. ........
Not worth watching.
Entrance camera record, she looks very nice, warm young lady.
she was a humble,friendly,kind soul.she had a tuft of hair that always used to stand up on top of her head and thats how she got nicknamed Alfie,from the tv show?the world lost a lot when Reeva passed away.
She look like all my x
Strange indeed
I hate this guy
Who would believe his garbage
Watch the video of the 4 famous body language experts.
What did I get out of this? nothing.
its a good thing i read the comments first.
byeeeeeeeee .
Fame got to his head, plus he was jealous! I remember the story like it was yesterday.
NO GOOD COMES FROM JEALOUSY.....EVER
For some unknown reason, the narrator's voice makes me wana do the Time Warp , anyone else finding their feet taking a jump to the left?!!!
That’s a cheap copy of csi if I’ve ever seen one
She did or said or threatened to do something that drove him into emotional turmoil. I wish he'd done all men a favour by admitting why he did it.
Jealousy...
One of my favourite presenters amongst all presenters.
i dont't believe he wanted to kill her but could not control his rage at that moment- what a shame- such an inspiration for so many -
Who locks the toilet door when you are in a relationship
@Gazpacho Suave not always the case unless reeva was doing a poo
I think it's just easier to accept this was an accident because that means that he's not evil.
I know you say a nation rocked to it's core. No death, murder and more is common. They where just famous.
This video tells me nothing let alone how forensic science condemned Oscar. It's just a bunch of people stating "I don't know, what do you think" . Waste of time