I'm glad that you went out of your way to say that the traits society has associated with serial killers- narcissism, sociopathy, etc- don't make someone a serial killer or evil. People are way too quick to link traits with being a horrible person when most people are just plain people
Anecdotal, but I grew up in a high-middle class family and met many rich men and women during my childhood. If you're the owner of a company over a certain size, you can't succeed without being a psychopath - it's literally a requirement, or you won't be able to cut the same corners and make the same business decisions that's available to the others.
@@nivyan that's so not true dude, the ability to divorce decision making from emotion doesn't meant you _have no_ emotions. That's just a good skill for anybody to have. And it's doubly untrue because not every company cuts every possible corner. It's one thing to say it's a general help and another thing completely to talk in such extremes.
@@Just.Kidding I'm talking more influential than that - to the point separating decisions from your emotions/life is impossible, and doing so would be the definition of a psychopath. That's the point. I'm not saying everyone is like this - that'd be an idiotic assumption - but they *need* people like that in certain positions, or have such vast success that it doesn't matter to begin with.
I don't understand all the hate. This guy was fantastic to listen to. I especially appreciated how he talked about police fixating on an individual and trying to fit evidence to that narrative.
He sold names of suspects to newspapers, he asked for money in return for interviews regarding Jimmy Saville and he took money from Michelle Mone to make an "investigation" defending her and her husband stealing millions from the NHS. He is a disgrace.
The editing is ATROCIOUS, I understand they remove the questions so it sounds like he's bragging unprompted (when he really mostly answers what they asked), but just look at the ending, he doesn't finish paragraph and video cuts abruptly, in the middle there's tons of rapid cuts and splices that just have no pauses in-between, did they try to squeeze the most text into limited time frame for retention?
From what I'm gathering from the comment section. "Dude talks about ego while having a big ego". He's being interviewed about a topic he knows well, at the same time he's talking about his credentials to show validity to the viewer about his experience. Pretty basic stuff.
he's answering questions, and those questions haven't been included for us to hear in this video. he could well have been asked specifically about certain cases, or credentials.
The hate in this comment section is so undeserved, yeah he didn’t need to bring up that he was a sports captain or whatever but you can’t honestly say that detracted from his insight on serial killers. The guy’s an expert at what he does and he’s answering every question he gets asked in great detail.
but why not bring it up, though? he's talking about his life, about how this work has affected him, about what could've gone different for him, i don't see the fault in that…but that's just my opinion, of course
@@bambiholmeshe mentioned it because he was asked if he had any regrets and that’s his biggest regret. He is one of the best investigative journalists out there. He has an excellent team working for him, and he is helping the family of Jay Slater in Tenerife
@@ImAtLevel53 well, I think STILL there's nothing wrong with his answer, it's his life and he's being candid about it, he's not saying anything bad, his mind went there and that's all
At the end he's saying "it's not about me" but the video is full of "I did this", "I made that connection", "the police got it wrong but I didn't", I can't say I sensed humility from him during this interview.
Agree 100% with both of you, this bloke is really bad at profiling and common sense. Good thing he's now a journalist frontman as opposed to being a real detective
The best cops & detectives are the ones with similar traits to the criminals themselves. I studied criminal psychology in college and wrote my thesis on this subject. The best example I can think of for you to compare is the undercover cops that infiltrate gangs & organized crime. If you’re a regular Joe you are not going to be able to blend in with type A personality biker gang members etc. -no one is that good of an actor. You’d show fear/anxiety etc. and your body would betray you never mind the entire psych aspect.
@Damien Holland - he was dissing the police force as being incompetent, and inferring that he knew it all, when it was the other way around. People who are talented, tend not to boast.
@@damienholland9432 All I can say is that I've watched dozen of videos like this one and he's the first expert that I find arrogant. There's no "we" in his stories, it's like he did it all by himself, and he only mentions the work of others in order to criticize it and make himself look better.
My friend's brother is a a detective for the Metropolitan police and he has been left with PTSD, terrible mood swings. He once had a crossbow pointed at his head as he had to talk someone down. It's an oppresive job to do
The risk of developing PTSD is much bigger among police officers. The sort of stuff they have to deal with is going to take a toll on their mental health. The police get a lot of criticism, and not enough appreciation.
We sometimes forget they are real people. I used to live opposite a cop who responded to a scene where a child had died. She was only a toddler and he held her in his arms. He never recovered and had psychotic episodes after that, walking up and down the street either in a trance or talking to himself and yelling at imaginery people. He eventually moved out. I hope he got help.
The Met are scum. Look into Stephen Lawrence, Daniel Morgan, the 100s of people (mostly people of colour) they harass each year and the massive corruption at higher echelons between organised crime and the funny handshake club of which most police it seems are members. What was the latest big scandal with the Met? The last I can think of was Wayne Couzens, who abducted, r*ped, tortured and murdered that poor innocent young woman. After that, the WhatsApp group chats which were leaked by various groups of officers talking about r*ping, murdering, torturing women, their racist rhetoric and I think that this started with the unit which Couzens served in but it was a massive shitstorm. But they are often called the "biggest gang in London" and with good reason. The most well armed too. This is pretty much the same for all police forces.
@@GamesCookywell I suppose they know how Sarah Everards family feel he cannot have ptsd how can they be affected when they work along side some serious violent criminals and call them friend and colleague?
11:30 compared to those JCS clone interrogation videos where like a suspect blinks and the narrator is like "here the suspect blinks which indicates that he's feeling the stress of lying. Most people blink on a regular basis, but it's incriminating that the suspect chose to blink at this time to deceive the interrogator."
Yeah plus you can be nervous when answering questions it does not mean your lying imagine being on the hot seat and being interrogated it causes all such of things plus you can have some signs of lying but not actually Lying that's why they need knowledgeable not just these "detectives"
There are variables for interrogation. Alot of training in psychology helps in determining what body language says and what they say. They use purposeful techniques to provoke reactions. Not everything means something, but some things are Indicators. I think JCS goes overboard some times with every detail but overall their trying to get Information from somebody that dosent want to give it. So its accurate and real at least
Unfortunately even JCS depended on some body language "science" that's not backed by actual rigorous research. Highly recommend munecat's video on the subject of body language "experts" and how almost all of it is completely bunk pseudoscience.
What’s really funny is I hear so much about serial killers in the US that it almost sounds foreign to hear about them in other countries. *edit not funny haha but funny like odd. My wife gives me a hard time for using that word in this context all the time
Glad that a detective admits to body language being bs. I feel like body language can tell you some small basic things like emotion, but some people act like body language can tell you literally everything about a person and it just sounds like pure pseudoscience the way people describe it.
If people actually read Paul Ekman instead of going through a course of "experts" they'd know exactly that, Telling Lies explains how most body language descriptions make no sense and only think you can sometimes read is what emotion person feels, and whether it's fake, not WHY - I don't think anyone would argue against the fact telling a false smile is often possible, right? It's mostly about the eye muscles. But all these "he looked into LEFT corner that means..." are total BS.
Agreed! It's mostly just bullshit RUclipsrs who pretend like they know everything about "body language" when it's more often than not just basic body language than anyone could display when in distress.
I have anxiety & ADHD, so I think my own natural, everyday body language could make me appear as nervous or ‘shifty’ (by the standard body language expectations) if I were questioned by detectives about something, even if I’m completely innocent of anything & have no knowledge. My body language might be a bit different at times, but it’s due to being neurotypical.
my dad grew up in leeds and not only does he tell me stories of having to walk to collect my grandma and her sister from work as a young boy to protect them from the ripper but the park near his home eventually became the park that saville's house backed onto and he saw him when he was a kid multiple times
I know there's a criminal justice definition of a "serial killer," but I think there is also an additional colloquial qualification of a serial killer - that a serial killer does not kill for profit or practicality (at least as a primary motive). They kill out of compulsion or desire. The reason I think that qualification is useful is that it distinguishes what most people picture when they hear "serial killer" vs. people like gangsters or hitmen who have killed dozens of people, but only ever killed out of anger, for profit, or to protect themselves (in their own minds). Sammy Gravano confessed to 19 murders as a mafia hitman, but no one would refer to him as a serial killer. If you ask 1000 people to describe a serial killer, none of them are going to think of the gangster. They're going to think of the person who kills because of compulsion or desire. Someone who doesn't really gain anything from the crime, they just do it because they like it or feel compelled to do it.
Yes but this is also a problem when a distinction is made where there is no difference in criminality. You are speaking like far too many today around 'motive and feelings' as if these matter the most to society or even matter at all. One night a woman is murdered by a man who simply wanted to see he felt anything thrilling and didn't feel a thing. Across town a woman was murdered over a drug debt but not to somehow get the money back but to see if her death struck fearful compliance into other debtors. What our society needs to worry about is that either man, both men, they have crossed a line into criminal murder. That they walk around and can and would do such a thing if they so desire. and here is something to consider. years ago I was watching one of these reality show 'follow along with cops' shows like '48 hours' or whatever it was. - police respond to two dead bodies outside a gas station in a notoriously dangerous neighborhood in a US inner-city. Someone has shot dead a prostitute and a pimp in cold blood and it quickly leads to notorious 'bloodcrip' gang member Tyrone 'Ratchet' Williams. Ohhhh he is quite a suspect. Ratchet, 38 has spent 17 of his 20 adult years in and out of prison including kidnapping women, attempted murder of a woman, manslaughter of a woman and wait there's more, not only is he officially known to have killed two women but Ratchet is strongly linked to the murder of no less than 5 others in the Bloodcrip drug wars and revenge and gangland world. The ONLY reason they caught Ratchet was because witnesses in 'The Hood' started tipping off police (rare very rare) as they said Ratchet had gone so crazy that everyone was terrified of him now. Even the gang was disassociating with him because and he was killing anyone. In this case, the reason why he murdered the two? They had 'disrespected him'. This was mentioned by several blurred out witnesses and calls that they all knew he'd killed that woman earlier that month because she didn't want him to be her pimp and he didn't like that. Ratchet is strongly believed to have killed 15 people over his 38 years of living. The episode wraps up with a slam-dunk conviction of 3 murders and ongoing investigations and charges on several more. Here's my question: Why isn't Ratchet Williams considered a "Serial Killer" like any other? Why not? What is the difference and more than that, what is the difference to our people, our society, to the public? What's the difference to public safety? If your answer is just sorting out little twists of his feelings and what psychological motives he wrestled with then that's just not as important as to what they actually do.
This sounds bad, but I think there should be a distinction made between people who are in the game and those who aren't. If you are heavily involved in the mafia and you get murdered over business, I don't think it should be punished the same as being murdered randomly. Everyone in the game knows the risks and choses to accept them for money.
@@Cretan1000 why wouldn't tehre be a harsher penalty for those who have a premeditated murder threat and even worse they murder each other for money and business. Why, if anything, isn't that even worse than a random passion driven murder? Even worse, they actually think they could supersede murder laws and make their own above-the-law rules in their own separatist justice system? Why not even more penalty for that? and all of that only covers the idea of 'punishment and penalty' i understand 90% of the internet thinks prisons or death penalty or only for punishments instead of the practical point of not letting them be at large in public spaces but if you're only talking penalty then I don't see why the Mafia mobster isn't, arguably, deserving more of a penalty?
this is such an insane thing to say because why on earth should it matter that one was paid and one wasn't? The act of taking a life, a fellow human regardless of how justified and/or logical you believe the motive is still an act that profoundly changes a person for the worse. Mafia members despite whatever fantasy you'd like to believe, kill for pleasure, they enjoy it, they enjoy exerting their power and their dominance over someone, they are serial killers, the serial there is important. You wanting there to be a distinction and other people in this thread going...oh my god yes you're in the game so you know the rules all that means is that you have sympathy for one type of victim and not the other. And that's a very very dangerous road to go down, put down the Godfather book, turn off Narcos realise they are all as bad as the other. Sammy Gravano is a serial killer btw he's just not a famous one, or rather he's not famous for being one but i bet the families of the people he killed would describe him the same way Ted Bundy's victims did, merciless, cruel, sadistic and evil.
@@zatannazatara552pretty sure they aren't making a moral judgement or saying one isn't as bad..they're purely talking classification. The hitmen and mob killer absolutely is just as brutal and horrific, it's just not the same motivation and category of killer.. obviously.
A lot of people are talking saying this guy being interviewed but lets not forget that this is chopped and edited. The producers also ask some specifically wordered questions.
I mean, it works for me at the poker table (in combination with other factors). It's easy to tell when someone is being deceptive or trying to soothe their nerves while lying. You start rubbing your neck and guzzling water, I'm onto you.
It's only BS if you're not an expert. Desmond Morris did a lot of damage to the theory of body language because he focused on only one behavior at a time while experts looks for 'clusters' as well as microexpressioms. These are still used today to interrogate terrorists (foreign and domestic) and not just serial killers, and are especially if an element of torture is involved because that's considered an extreme form of psychopathy. Serial killers and mass murderers usually look like ordinary people on the outside but experienced detectives develop a 'spidey sense' which is likely to be an unconscious reading of non-verbal signals.
Pseudocience that typical people try very hard to sell. I'm 34 years old and neurodivergent with some stereotipias and handom steams... i don't look people in the eyes, i don't like when they scream at me.. sometimes I don't talk when I'm tired... (I have a totally commom life, a masters degree and a stable job). But I guess I would be considerer guilty after 1 minute of interrogation after all that ahha :/
It's just a tool like any other, the issue is people think it happens like in the movies or tv shows. Also you'll always get grifters pushing the bullshit for easy money from gullible people.
so many people have the attitude of, 'since i've never experienced it it must be bs' about anything they don't like. that's called being close minded. you should be proud, because you can learn so much by having an opinion based on....nothing, really.
@@sarahrosen4985 She's credible. I've worked with middle class wonks like this and people in police behavioural research. This guy sweats, "pick on me at boarding school, my I'll tell my mummy" energy. Have lived with a few people who hurt people by choice. Cardigan boy is clearly intimidated by the situation. Bear in mind the British police force is literally the intellectual dumping ground for British middle class people who are simple. No wonder they can't catch anyone.
So many comments about how the speaker is “not humble”. Who cares? Being humble is jot a requirement for accomplishing things, and this guy is telling is about something he knows well. I’d much rather listen to someone who’s interesting than someone who’s humble.
If anyone is interested in the topic, I highly recommend Eric Hickey's Serial Killers and their Victims. It was the core book for my lectures in Criminal Psychology. Easy read, very understandable.
Not everywhere does it force the police to stop the interview, the US is not the whole world. In Canada you're given a phone to call a lawyer to get the legal advice you are entitled to, then brought back to the interrogation room and the interview continues. Same with the right to silence; the police can continue to question you, for hours even, despite you exercising your right to remain silent by stating you'll not answer to questions. You have to invoke it again and again until the police decides they are wasting their time.
I'm glad he brings up the incompetence of the Yorkshire ripper case. Went into this video very skeptical when he said he worked on that one bc of how badly the police handled the investigation.
Beg to differ on that one - it was a totally different time with no DNA, no computers to cross reference data and the crimes occurred across different regions - me thinks the police didn’t badly handle it, but rather they were overwhelmed with the amount of information and no way to process it accurately
@@troyonplanet they spent more time unfairly profiling the victims than they did making an accurate profile of the ripper. He came up in police interviews NINE times and was still only caught by chance bc they wouldn't expand their suspicions outside of a profile that was completely wrong (based on the idea that he was specifically targeting prostitutes which was also wrong). It was absolutely incompetent and a really important demonstration of how police bias can tank a case.
@@natatatm playing devils advocate, criminal profiling of serial killers was virtually unknown in the UK when Sutcliffe was at large and yes he was interviewed multiple times - however, the police forces paper based records system was hopelessly inadequate in having any form of cross referencing. Plus their was never any strong evidence on which they could have charged Sutcliffe based on any of those interviews. I’m sure there would have been dozens of males who would have been interviewed on multiple occasions during the Ripper investigations. As a form of comparison, Gary Ridgeway committed 48 homicides in Washington state in the USA between 1982 and 1998 and was not arrested until 2001 when DNA evidence conclusively tied him to several of the murders - yet the police in Washington never copped the vigorous criticism that the Yorkshire police received - yet Ridgeway killed over 3x as many women over nearly 20 years - and his victims were all sex workers from the same area.
People need to understand that police failures are not called enough, the worst case I remember is a Soviet serial killer with local persecution so incompetent they jailed dozens of innocent men for his crimes, one of which was actually executed for crimes he didn't commit. That's why death penalty is insane: do you trust cops to always be right?
Saying that they lost so many cases by cross contamination, is so true and it's usually the cops fault cause they don't take as much caution as forensics experts. Cops responsible for crime scenes should be competent enough to do the job as many of them cannot stomach it and have often puked on crime scenes or contaminated the place by not wearing protection
Looks like that at first, but I think the editing has a lot to do with it. There are a lot of very short sound bites going "I did this" or "My work was instrumental in ..." . But those are spliced in, maybe because whoever cut them in wanted for him to look more impressive. I'm the bits where his answers are left to speak for himself, he comes across very differently: focused on the process much more and on his own part in it mich less.
I hope friends & families of the victims effected by cases getting colder and colder find some sense of understanding how detectives go about there investigation whether it be here or an other authoritative source.
@@marksprinkle unprompted? Yes. He was directly asked, what was he supposed to asnwer, "I am shaking in my boots from big bad Joe "axefoot" the fingernail sniffer?"
0:23 Kinda amazed that you guys know about Chikatillo, notorious serial killer in the USSR (the first one to be actually convicted of it, if I remember correctly), love this channel, cheers!
@@ronblack7870 their regular army now also hires convicted murdeers and if they survive, looses them free back home, usually with predictable results. The worst is kids forced to worship paedos who got pardoned because they went to do crimes in another country as heroes.
there was a tv movie with Steven Rea, Donald Sutherland, Max Von Sydow and Jeffrey DeMunn in 95, and of course those of us who have even a minimal interest in the field knew about Andrei Chikatilo as soon as it was publicized. Very notorious, even here in the USA.
Many of Peter Sutcliffe's victims were not sex workers. Prejudice from the police on this was one of the reasons the investigation was so ineffective. If you want to learn about the PS case from someone who actually knows what they are talking about listen to the first season of the podcast Crime Analyst by Laura Richards. Her experience makes this ex-dectective look like a jumped up boy scout.
Exactly. This chap obv means well and I wouldn’t want to drag him too much, but like ‘sophisticated profiling techniques’ were and remain a huge problem with the Sutcliffe investigation; surely one could see how wilfully naive you’d have to be to be like ‘yeah but that was before, now our sophisticated profiling is free from misogyny and super effective’
@@elgatonegro1703 he was not a Yorkshire ripper detective, he investigated him 25 years later when he already admitted murders, pretty easy to investigate a murderer who’s happy to admit everything ffs
To be fair, he said that the first five victims were sex workers, which is true. He then said that the police didn't believe that they had a real victim until the sixth victim, who was not a sex worker. That is him saying that the profiling was misogynistic: he is saying the Police didn't believe sex workers were full people and admonishing them for it.
I think there's something about some people become good investigators by being able to think like the criminals they investigate. They understand them. I think this guy is one of them. Might be why he can give some creep vibes, but the strong difference is that he made different choices and knew right from wrong. Edit: I wrote this before I got to the part where he talks about his mental health. I'm more convinced now that he's one of those who can understand serial killers and to be able to do that but still have empathy, that must take a heavy toll on anyone. With his bad mental health and the knowledge/stories he got from the worst of the worst - no wonder he talks like the world is resting on his shoulders!
@@mammamiia08 Only correction: we *hope* he's made the choice to do the right thing. I don't think he's the type to commit a crime, but there are cops and investigators who are also criminals.
Talking about ego..how big is this man’s? When he exposed Jimmy Saville’s crimes, he was all over the news obviously but complimenting himself on what a good job he had done and that everyone should admire him because he good ex-police detective…me, me, me. Who’s the narcissist again!?
I love it when people completely miss the point. This is an idiotic take lol. Edit: one person murders people routinely, and one stops serial killers. Am I wrong?
@@slumpmachinegaming What does your edit have to do with anything? No one refuted that he is responsible for putting some serial killers behind bars. He still comes off as rather narcissistic
Every time there was a new chapter and the sound of tape played, to me it sounded more like a chainsaw and given the topic of the video, I always imagined a guy using that saw to kill someone.😬
16:36 Talking about the impact it had on his mental health, I've often thought that Police get to see the shitty side of humanity far more often than the rest of us. Not at all surprised that it had a very bad impact on his mental health. It's good that there are still people who want to go into the Police force, if I saw what he had to see on just one day of his job, it would probably destroy me mentally. I give massive respect to those strong and brave enough to do that job.
It's worth noting, if anyone reads this far, Private Eye (UK news journal) has covered this guy many times and his supposed skills in investigating. He's all mouth and no trousers - he "investigated" Nicola Bulley's disappearance - his exact quote on the main theory, that she had fallen into the river was "this is looking more and more unlikely.... the other two options, in my opinion, become increasingly more likely: that she left of her own free will, or a third party was involved.... with the flow of the River Wyre at the time only being very slightly higher and faster, it is still not enough to drag a fully clothed fit and healthy person far downstream" - she was found of course, 1 mile downstream, having fallen in and drowned. See also Jay Slater missing. He talks the talk, he doesn't walk the walk as a PI
HOW is it legal to put tracking devices, listening and recording devices in someone's home or car or whatever? I have never thought it was right for any government official to lie, cheat, steal and do what could only be perceived to be corrupt if a civilian who isn't an employee of the government did the exact same thing.
They need a warrant to do so. They can only do so if they reasonably suspect you are committing or have committed crimes and a judge signs off that the evidence that informs that suspicion is adequate
@@paulavance5096 well that's pretty simple, for example, if they lie in the interrogation room about having good evidence against you and they claim you'll go to prison for a long time, you might be more likely to co operate and give information. that's why there's only 1 word you should ever say to the police and that's "lawyer"
Think about the utter impossibility of investigating things like organized crime if law enforcement was not allowed to be deceptive. Anything requiring an undercover cop would be automatically out the window, and organized crime, conspiracies etc would be pretty much impossible to take down.
the US criminal justice system isnt set up for restorative justice and I dont think they are even ready to hear that. we have a long way to go and even though this man works in the UK, its awesome to hear that people who are this aware work in these type of jobs. it restores some faith in some sort of criminal justice system.
On a side note one thing I have noticed is that if they have DNA they can convict off that if they don't have a time line or something else and that's why some people get charged unjustly
Yeah the guy who opens up by saying "that guy was faking schizophrenia! I know it! It's impossible to be schizophrenic if you have psychopathy!" Isn't exactly the poster child for restorative justice
Thank you for that first statement he made, peoppe overuse and miss-use the term serial killer. There is spree killers, mass murderers, etc. and no one uses those terms, they think all SKs are the same by definition or by basic acts; it's deeps than that.
regarding there not being a national data base for killers. NZ developed such a product around 2014, that was supposed to be available for sale to law enforcement internationally
Hi question, you say the five-pound note could have led to the York Shire ripper but i would like to know how? he could have bought something and then that 5-pound note could have changed hands again. How do they know that that five pound note went to Peter? I see how they could have tracked it to the company but i don't know how they can go father with it.
That sounds reasonable, but unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. If you have a large ego, which this man clearly does, it’s naive to think that will not leak into his work and influence his investigative techniques and conduct. Police who aren’t egotistical are often pushed to employing unethical and illegal tactics in order to catch who they suspect is the perpetrator, out of frustration and pressure to close cases. Imagine that, plus the need to protect one’s ego and perceived reputation when you think so highly of yourself and your abilities. Also, it is very easy to manipulate people and push buttons when they have fragile egos; not a great weakness to have when interviewing and dealing with criminals.
I suspect that it was a good thing for the World that you did not go for the Rugby, you have applied yourself, your life, with amazing impact. You are owed so many Thank yous. It does seem that the true Heros in the Police are never appreciated/acknowledged by the people they save and protect.
this is so interesting. i just wonder....if any budding serial killers are using it as a primer of what to consider when planning and executing these crimes. i'm sure there are, because apparently serial killers are very interested in other serial killers at times, and do searches, in which case this title as well as any others would pop up in their feed.
sooooo you're basically saying- if you cant find something at the crime scene immediately, give up hope, dont look into anyone else? Sometimes you have to develop a thing called motive, and once you find that, you can look for evidence. grfo
Its kind of strange how you can say that Sinclair and Tobin is responsible for more murders then they are convicted for, but you think Barry George is innocent of killing Jill Dando and you know this for a fact.
1:59 I was infact able to demonstrate that he was infact not schizophrenic (mental illness that needs to be treated in a hospital) and infact demonstrated that he was a psychopath (mental illness that needs to be treated you guessed it in a hospital) give me a break
I mean, you can get warrants to do it. It's not like he snuck in in the middle of the night and bugged someone's phone like in a James Bond movie or something.
@@iamme625 But you can't get a warrant as an individual or can you? I get that the state can sometimes do it but it just sounds illegal to do it as an individual.
While I really don't think this guys interview was offensive in any way (After all, it is an interview, of course he's going to talk about himself and the cases???) I do agree he kind of showcases the personality style that was shown in The Wire for detectives where a lot of detectives view solving cases as an intellectual challenge and an unsolved case is an affront to their pride. This guy strikes me as that kind of thinker. It makes sense though, I'm sure the majority of police feel prideful about their work since at least on paper their work makes the world a better place (and I agree that far more often than not, it does).
This is only valid in countries with something akin to a liberal justice system with the accused having rights including the right to defend himself in court with all the means available to him. In countries were due process is nonexistent the cops are the problem. Because in those countries cops simply pick and choose who they want to lock up. Based sometimes on even personal vendettas. If you're lucky that is. If not they'll just suicide you. And guess what most countries in the world fit that description. And even developed countries often show a temptation towards ignoring basic rights. The cops for most of humanity are an instrument of opression. They're basically the armed force of the elite in that country tasked with keeping the masses under control. And even were they're not there's always that temptation to emulate the north korean style of policing. Its always there.
His descriptions of the way they hunt for people, bug them, use cameras etc. reminds me that he is in the UK, where the people are subjects. Ninety percent of what he says he does would be tossed out of court in the US. When I was in the UK a couple decades ago I watched police do things to people that would have gotten them years in prison in the States. Weirdly, even in the most stringent police states murder exists. Even in maximum security prisons no one is safe from a crazy person.
I can't even imagine the things he would've had to have seen in his career, I know parts of some of these cases but the details he must be haunted by... I hope he sleeps well at night knowing that he helped put horrible people in prison.
marshallteach9006. So what. Why does he need to be humble to please you? Someone either knows their stuff or they don’t. That’s what matters. Are you humble? Do you have humility? I certainly hope so, your reply will tell.
Of all the things to criticise this guy for, y'all are picking his EGO? On a topic he's dedicated his entire life to? Nah. Him completely ignoring the actual people who started the Jimmy Saville investigation and taking basically full credit for it, on the other hand...
Very interesting stuff. One thing that I have to say is that comparing the UK to the US is unfair and makes no sense. The UK is literally the size of maybe 2 states. I hear the argument all the time in debates, unless you are talking about the entirety of Europe, from the UK to Ukraine, compared to the US, the argument is invalid. Otherwise, great video.
One thing I'm curious of, and I don't work in law and order nor have any experience in the field but.............from the introduction, he mentions identifying the suspects but shouldn't the evidence collection be first and that lead to identifying suspects rather than identifying a suspect first and then trying to collect the evidence to prove guilt? This seems to my naive mind a very flawed way of doing things. He later in the piece talks about the police becoming fixated on a suspect and why sometimes there is a miscarriage of justice, these two ideas seem to me to go hand in hand. Perhaps I'm over thinking this but I always believed that the process was find the evidence, follow the trail of where the evidence leads and gradually weed out candidates. It seems like if you've already got a suspect in mind then the natural reaction would be to fit the evidence to the suspicion? Wouldn't this way of operations compromise the police by having an agenda or preconceived notions that affect the operation?
A highly evolved human...you are a beautiful person Mark. Everyone SHOULD want help society heal and move forward but only SOME actually do. You are an Inspiration. My Thanks to You
Didn't really finish listening to anything he had to say. Just another person who thinks punitive type punishment is the solution when clearly it isn't. In almost every serial killer case I have watched there were red flags somewhere in that serial killer's history, whether it started at childhood or later on. We need to understand what these red flags are and how to intervene when we detect them. To many times we as a society ignore these red flags and are shocked when these people go on to commit heinous crimes. Knowledge is the key to minimizing the damage. Also we need to understand why some people have more of a genetic disposition to kill when they grow up in a bad environment while others do not. Strong mental health services that work in conjunction with the justice system is how we will combat heinous crimes. We need to be thinking about how to help the next broken person before they become that heinous murderer.
Some people have more of a genetic disposition to kill. That is true. But genetic combination is a complex thing. How do you identify all those problematic kids, and then improve their personalities and behaves by some programs, when most parents cannot even improve their own kids personalities and behaves after trying for years and spent all their saving. It is simply impossible to achieve.
@@shaggyfeng9110 It isn't a matter of helping everyone. It is matter of collecting information about these problem people so that in the future we may be able to help other people who aren't as far gone and to intervene in cases, like child abuse, before it can permanently damage the child. We already know from brain scans that psychopaths have reduced connections between the ventromedial prefrontal cortex (vmPFC), the part of the brain responsible for sentiments such as empathy and guilt, and the amygdala, which mediates fear and anxiety. Imagine if we could find ways to increase the connections between these parts of the brains. I agree that it is unlikely a program will be able to help people that have been to damaged, but I can certainly say with 100% certainty that punitive measures like solitary confinement isn't going to help them or anyone else. Lastly I would add we need a preventative detention system like they have in Norway that ensures anyone who is still a danger to the public does not get out. With a strong connection between mental health services and the justice system we can not only study these people but ensure they do not get out if they remain dangerous. The current parole system in the United States is composed of under educated and unskilled bumpkins.
It's really not hard to just... say you have no comment and not talk again once given Name, DOB and Address (legally if don't give these you can be held longer than 24 hours until a court determine who are and that isn't a good idea in any situation) and 9/10 times if they are interviewing you, they haven't got enough. Not always, obviously not always as some times the evidence is overwh but the cops are trying to figure out why or get a few smaller, but unnecessary pieces of the story together. Talking to police is the biggest mistake anyone can make
I don't fully understand the literal definition of the serial killer thing. 3+ people over 30+ days? So basically anyone who kills 3 people in 10 years counts? And if you only kill 5 within a week and stop it doesn't count? Or 2 within 30 days? I know literal definitions often seem kind of arbitrary but are important for thr application of laws, but this one confuses me lol
It is somewhat arbitrary but there is some logic to it as a tool for ruling out crimes you don’t want in the statistics because they don’t really match what you mean by serial killers. Three people is just the threshold. You could imagine someone in a shitty position killing someone and even a second person by chance in their life due to different out bursts. But three is a long term pattern where they are seeking out people to kill. The reason why killing a bunch of people in a short period is not considered is much for the same reason. Serial killers are a specific type of killer. It involves compulsion and seeking out multiple victims, but if you include short time multiple victims then you muddy the stats with so called spree killers. These people may not be serial killers in the traditional sense. Maybe they snapped and murdered a bunch of people at a grocery store. Or maybe they are a school shooter. Or the guy who snapped and killed multiple police across serveral days in California. These people might be monsters but have you ever thought of a school shooter as a serial killer? So it’s more about making sure you are precise in order to filter down to what people are thinking about when talking about serial killers and get just those killer statistics.
I'm glad that you went out of your way to say that the traits society has associated with serial killers- narcissism, sociopathy, etc- don't make someone a serial killer or evil. People are way too quick to link traits with being a horrible person when most people are just plain people
Narcissists and phychopaths are at best unpleasant to be around
Anecdotal, but I grew up in a high-middle class family and met many rich men and women during my childhood. If you're the owner of a company over a certain size, you can't succeed without being a psychopath - it's literally a requirement, or you won't be able to cut the same corners and make the same business decisions that's available to the others.
@@nivyan that's so not true dude, the ability to divorce decision making from emotion doesn't meant you _have no_ emotions. That's just a good skill for anybody to have. And it's doubly untrue because not every company cuts every possible corner. It's one thing to say it's a general help and another thing completely to talk in such extremes.
@@Just.Kidding I'm talking more influential than that - to the point separating decisions from your emotions/life is impossible, and doing so would be the definition of a psychopath. That's the point.
I'm not saying everyone is like this - that'd be an idiotic assumption - but they *need* people like that in certain positions, or have such vast success that it doesn't matter to begin with.
It's because everyone thinks they're an expert because they watch True Crime shows.
I don't understand all the hate. This guy was fantastic to listen to. I especially appreciated how he talked about police fixating on an individual and trying to fit evidence to that narrative.
He sold names of suspects to newspapers, he asked for money in return for interviews regarding Jimmy Saville and he took money from Michelle Mone to make an "investigation" defending her and her husband stealing millions from the NHS. He is a disgrace.
Yes, as happened with the Yorkshire Ripper.
Spot on
The editing is ATROCIOUS, I understand they remove the questions so it sounds like he's bragging unprompted (when he really mostly answers what they asked), but just look at the ending, he doesn't finish paragraph and video cuts abruptly, in the middle there's tons of rapid cuts and splices that just have no pauses in-between, did they try to squeeze the most text into limited time frame for retention?
It’s the internet, domain of the insecure troll
From what I'm gathering from the comment section. "Dude talks about ego while having a big ego". He's being interviewed about a topic he knows well, at the same time he's talking about his credentials to show validity to the viewer about his experience. Pretty basic stuff.
the average youtube commenter is a bit...special
From a guy whose screen name is LEGEND! LMAO
This guy is a prick. Everyone can see it.
@@LOLHICRONOthe projection is real with this one
he's answering questions, and those questions haven't been included for us to hear in this video. he could well have been asked specifically about certain cases, or credentials.
The hate in this comment section is so undeserved, yeah he didn’t need to bring up that he was a sports captain or whatever but you can’t honestly say that detracted from his insight on serial killers. The guy’s an expert at what he does and he’s answering every question he gets asked in great detail.
but why not bring it up, though? he's talking about his life, about how this work has affected him, about what could've gone different for him, i don't see the fault in that…but that's just my opinion, of course
@@bambiholmeshe mentioned it because he was asked if he had any regrets and that’s his biggest regret. He is one of the best investigative journalists out there. He has an excellent team working for him, and he is helping the family of Jay Slater in Tenerife
@@ImAtLevel53 well, I think STILL there's nothing wrong with his answer, it's his life and he's being candid about it, he's not saying anything bad, his mind went there and that's all
100%!
At the end he's saying "it's not about me" but the video is full of "I did this", "I made that connection", "the police got it wrong but I didn't", I can't say I sensed humility from him during this interview.
Agree 100% with both of you, this bloke is really bad at profiling and common sense. Good thing he's now a journalist frontman as opposed to being a real detective
The best cops & detectives are the ones with similar traits to the criminals themselves. I studied criminal psychology in college and wrote my thesis on this subject. The best example I can think of for you to compare is the undercover cops that infiltrate gangs & organized crime. If you’re a regular Joe you are not going to be able to blend in with type A personality biker gang members etc. -no one is that good of an actor. You’d show fear/anxiety etc. and your body would betray you never mind the entire psych aspect.
So people can't talk to you about their accomplishments because then they're not humble?
@Damien Holland - he was dissing the police force as being incompetent, and inferring that he knew it all, when it was the other way around. People who are talented, tend not to boast.
@@damienholland9432 All I can say is that I've watched dozen of videos like this one and he's the first expert that I find arrogant. There's no "we" in his stories, it's like he did it all by himself, and he only mentions the work of others in order to criticize it and make himself look better.
My friend's brother is a a detective for the Metropolitan police and he has been left with PTSD, terrible mood swings. He once had a crossbow pointed at his head as he had to talk someone down. It's an oppresive job to do
thanks to him and his work for our safety
The risk of developing PTSD is much bigger among police officers. The sort of stuff they have to deal with is going to take a toll on their mental health.
The police get a lot of criticism, and not enough appreciation.
We sometimes forget they are real people. I used to live opposite a cop who responded to a scene where a child had died. She was only a toddler and he held her in his arms. He never recovered and had psychotic episodes after that, walking up and down the street either in a trance or talking to himself and yelling at imaginery people. He eventually moved out. I hope he got help.
The Met are scum. Look into Stephen Lawrence, Daniel Morgan, the 100s of people (mostly people of colour) they harass each year and the massive corruption at higher echelons between organised crime and the funny handshake club of which most police it seems are members. What was the latest big scandal with the Met? The last I can think of was Wayne Couzens, who abducted, r*ped, tortured and murdered that poor innocent young woman. After that, the WhatsApp group chats which were leaked by various groups of officers talking about r*ping, murdering, torturing women, their racist rhetoric and I think that this started with the unit which Couzens served in but it was a massive shitstorm. But they are often called the "biggest gang in London" and with good reason. The most well armed too. This is pretty much the same for all police forces.
@@GamesCookywell I suppose they know how Sarah Everards family feel he cannot have ptsd how can they be affected when they work along side some serious violent criminals and call them friend and colleague?
11:30 compared to those JCS clone interrogation videos where like a suspect blinks and the narrator is like "here the suspect blinks which indicates that he's feeling the stress of lying. Most people blink on a regular basis, but it's incriminating that the suspect chose to blink at this time to deceive the interrogator."
It is now a well established fact that no one single ‘negative’ indication of body language during interview/interrogation is indicative of deception.
Yeah plus you can be nervous when answering questions it does not mean your lying imagine being on the hot seat and being interrogated it causes all such of things plus you can have some signs of lying but not actually Lying that's why they need knowledgeable not just these "detectives"
There are variables for interrogation. Alot of training in psychology helps in determining what body language says and what they say. They use purposeful techniques to provoke reactions. Not everything means something, but some things are Indicators. I think JCS goes overboard some times with every detail but overall their trying to get Information from somebody that dosent want to give it. So its accurate and real at least
Unfortunately even JCS depended on some body language "science" that's not backed by actual rigorous research. Highly recommend munecat's video on the subject of body language "experts" and how almost all of it is completely bunk pseudoscience.
@@natatatm I'm watching her video on sovereign citizens. She's awesome! Thanks for the recommendation.
What’s really funny is I hear so much about serial killers in the US that it almost sounds foreign to hear about them in other countries.
*edit not funny haha but funny like odd. My wife gives me a hard time for using that word in this context all the time
Foreign literally means other countries, so that’s probably why
There are lots of them in other countries though lmao
@@blksheep176 yeah, thought about saying no pun intended but decided against it haha
@@ryanodonnell455 You think the US has 3.3 million active serial killers? The actual number is much closer to 50.
Maybe it's lead? 🤔
Glad that a detective admits to body language being bs. I feel like body language can tell you some small basic things like emotion, but some people act like body language can tell you literally everything about a person and it just sounds like pure pseudoscience the way people describe it.
If people actually read Paul Ekman instead of going through a course of "experts" they'd know exactly that, Telling Lies explains how most body language descriptions make no sense and only think you can sometimes read is what emotion person feels, and whether it's fake, not WHY - I don't think anyone would argue against the fact telling a false smile is often possible, right? It's mostly about the eye muscles. But all these "he looked into LEFT corner that means..." are total BS.
Exactly!
Agreed! It's mostly just bullshit RUclipsrs who pretend like they know everything about "body language" when it's more often than not just basic body language than anyone could display when in distress.
I have anxiety & ADHD, so I think my own natural, everyday body language could make me appear as nervous or ‘shifty’ (by the standard body language expectations) if I were questioned by detectives about something, even if I’m completely innocent of anything & have no knowledge. My body language might be a bit different at times, but it’s due to being neurotypical.
@@CC3193 this. No matter how hard I try to control my non-verbal cues. My anxiety would just kick in and override everything
Mark Williams-Thomas is a true expert in his field. I search for his videos on RUclips and am delighted when a find another gem. 🎉
I take it you're a relative?...
my dad grew up in leeds and not only does he tell me stories of having to walk to collect my grandma and her sister from work as a young boy to protect them from the ripper but the park near his home eventually became the park that saville's house backed onto and he saw him when he was a kid multiple times
I know there's a criminal justice definition of a "serial killer," but I think there is also an additional colloquial qualification of a serial killer - that a serial killer does not kill for profit or practicality (at least as a primary motive). They kill out of compulsion or desire. The reason I think that qualification is useful is that it distinguishes what most people picture when they hear "serial killer" vs. people like gangsters or hitmen who have killed dozens of people, but only ever killed out of anger, for profit, or to protect themselves (in their own minds). Sammy Gravano confessed to 19 murders as a mafia hitman, but no one would refer to him as a serial killer.
If you ask 1000 people to describe a serial killer, none of them are going to think of the gangster. They're going to think of the person who kills because of compulsion or desire. Someone who doesn't really gain anything from the crime, they just do it because they like it or feel compelled to do it.
Yes but this is also a problem when a distinction is made where there is no difference in criminality. You are speaking like far too many today around 'motive and feelings' as if these matter the most to society or even matter at all. One night a woman is murdered by a man who simply wanted to see he felt anything thrilling and didn't feel a thing. Across town a woman was murdered over a drug debt but not to somehow get the money back but to see if her death struck fearful compliance into other debtors.
What our society needs to worry about is that either man, both men, they have crossed a line into criminal murder. That they walk around and can and would do such a thing if they so desire.
and here is something to consider. years ago I was watching one of these reality show 'follow along with cops' shows like '48 hours' or whatever it was.
- police respond to two dead bodies outside a gas station in a notoriously dangerous neighborhood in a US inner-city. Someone has shot dead a prostitute and a pimp in cold blood and it quickly leads to notorious 'bloodcrip' gang member Tyrone 'Ratchet' Williams.
Ohhhh he is quite a suspect. Ratchet, 38 has spent 17 of his 20 adult years in and out of prison including kidnapping women, attempted murder of a woman, manslaughter of a woman and wait there's more,
not only is he officially known to have killed two women but Ratchet is strongly linked to the murder of no less than 5 others in the Bloodcrip drug wars and revenge and gangland world.
The ONLY reason they caught Ratchet was because witnesses in 'The Hood' started tipping off police (rare very rare) as they said Ratchet had gone so crazy that everyone was terrified of him now. Even the gang was disassociating with him because and he was killing anyone.
In this case, the reason why he murdered the two? They had 'disrespected him'.
This was mentioned by several blurred out witnesses and calls that they all knew he'd killed that woman earlier that month because she didn't want him to be her pimp and he didn't like that.
Ratchet is strongly believed to have killed 15 people over his 38 years of living.
The episode wraps up with a slam-dunk conviction of 3 murders and ongoing investigations and charges on several more.
Here's my question:
Why isn't Ratchet Williams considered a "Serial Killer" like any other?
Why not?
What is the difference and more than that, what is the difference to our people, our society, to the public?
What's the difference to public safety?
If your answer is just sorting out little twists of his feelings and what psychological motives he wrestled with then that's just not as important as to what they actually do.
This sounds bad, but I think there should be a distinction made between people who are in the game and those who aren't. If you are heavily involved in the mafia and you get murdered over business, I don't think it should be punished the same as being murdered randomly. Everyone in the game knows the risks and choses to accept them for money.
@@Cretan1000 why wouldn't tehre be a harsher penalty for those who have a premeditated murder threat and even worse they murder each other for money and business. Why, if anything, isn't that even worse than a random passion driven murder?
Even worse, they actually think they could supersede murder laws and make their own above-the-law rules in their own separatist justice system? Why not even more penalty for that?
and all of that only covers the idea of 'punishment and penalty'
i understand 90% of the internet thinks prisons or death penalty or only for punishments instead of the practical point of not letting them be at large in public spaces but if you're only talking penalty then I don't see why the Mafia mobster isn't, arguably, deserving more of a penalty?
this is such an insane thing to say because why on earth should it matter that one was paid and one wasn't? The act of taking a life, a fellow human regardless of how justified and/or logical you believe the motive is still an act that profoundly changes a person for the worse. Mafia members despite whatever fantasy you'd like to believe, kill for pleasure, they enjoy it, they enjoy exerting their power and their dominance over someone, they are serial killers, the serial there is important. You wanting there to be a distinction and other people in this thread going...oh my god yes you're in the game so you know the rules all that means is that you have sympathy for one type of victim and not the other. And that's a very very dangerous road to go down, put down the Godfather book, turn off Narcos realise they are all as bad as the other. Sammy Gravano is a serial killer btw he's just not a famous one, or rather he's not famous for being one but i bet the families of the people he killed would describe him the same way Ted Bundy's victims did, merciless, cruel, sadistic and evil.
@@zatannazatara552pretty sure they aren't making a moral judgement or saying one isn't as bad..they're purely talking classification. The hitmen and mob killer absolutely is just as brutal and horrific, it's just not the same motivation and category of killer.. obviously.
A lot of people are talking saying this guy being interviewed but lets not forget that this is chopped and edited. The producers also ask some specifically wordered questions.
I think that serial killers just don't deserve to be put back into society and society doesn't deserve to have monsters lurking amongst them
ever seen no country for old men? flip a coin...
Who does think that they should be put back into society? Lol not in America anyway
tf why 😂
the governments role is not punitive it is rehabilitative. The states job isn’t to punish people it’s not make them better
@NithinJune prisons main role is to keep society safe from criminals and crime.... like serial killers.
good on him for telling people body language "expertise" is bullshit
I mean, it works for me at the poker table (in combination with other factors). It's easy to tell when someone is being deceptive or trying to soothe their nerves while lying. You start rubbing your neck and guzzling water, I'm onto you.
It's only BS if you're not an expert. Desmond Morris did a lot of damage to the theory of body language because he focused on only one behavior at a time while experts looks for 'clusters' as well as microexpressioms. These are still used today to interrogate terrorists (foreign and domestic) and not just serial killers, and are especially if an element of torture is involved because that's considered an extreme form of psychopathy. Serial killers and mass murderers usually look like ordinary people on the outside but experienced detectives develop a 'spidey sense' which is likely to be an unconscious reading of non-verbal signals.
Pseudocience that typical people try very hard to sell. I'm 34 years old and neurodivergent with some stereotipias and handom steams... i don't look people in the eyes, i don't like when they scream at me.. sometimes I don't talk when I'm tired... (I have a totally commom life, a masters degree and a stable job). But I guess I would be considerer guilty after 1 minute of interrogation after all that ahha :/
It's just a tool like any other, the issue is people think it happens like in the movies or tv shows. Also you'll always get grifters pushing the bullshit for easy money from gullible people.
so many people have the attitude of, 'since i've never experienced it it must be bs' about anything they don't like. that's called being close minded. you should be proud, because you can learn so much by having an opinion based on....nothing, really.
“Evidence is key for me”
I would hope so…
You have no idea how many cops pride themselves in their "intuition"
Taken out of context. He was explaining how the police get fixated on a hunch. Maybe you skipped that, didn’t get that?
When he said "no one intimidate me", that's some aura right there
Watch the interviews with the British female prison head. She's amazing and also says that no one intimates her.
@@sarahrosen4985 She's credible.
I've worked with middle class wonks like this and people in police behavioural research. This guy sweats, "pick on me at boarding school, my I'll tell my mummy" energy.
Have lived with a few people who hurt people by choice. Cardigan boy is clearly intimidated by the situation. Bear in mind the British police force is literally the intellectual dumping ground for British middle class people who are simple. No wonder they can't catch anyone.
It’s a professional requirement. You can’t be police and a wimp
So many comments about how the speaker is “not humble”. Who cares? Being humble is jot a requirement for accomplishing things, and this guy is telling is about something he knows well. I’d much rather listen to someone who’s interesting than someone who’s humble.
Totally agree. If you’ve worked hard all your life to develop skills, take some pride in it!
People aren't all monsters, but all monsters are people.
It's a complicated world.
Yep. The world is only a bad place because of bad people.
So deep
Scooby doo amen to that
Simple math problem...
I find it so funny when people try to sound cool by writing nonsensical statements like this. 😂
If anyone is interested in the topic, I highly recommend Eric Hickey's Serial Killers and their Victims. It was the core book for my lectures in Criminal Psychology. Easy read, very understandable.
Legend, thanks for the recommendation mate!
It's not a video.
Thanks for the recommendation indeed
This dude is staring demons in the eyes. I don’t expect him to have stellar mental health, but I appreciate the work that he’s doing.!
"You can always get someone to talk."
Suspect : "I want a lawyer."
"You can almost always get someone to talk."
Not everywhere does it force the police to stop the interview, the US is not the whole world. In Canada you're given a phone to call a lawyer to get the legal advice you are entitled to, then brought back to the interrogation room and the interview continues. Same with the right to silence; the police can continue to question you, for hours even, despite you exercising your right to remain silent by stating you'll not answer to questions. You have to invoke it again and again until the police decides they are wasting their time.
They would talk to you for hours till your lawyer show up. You think you can keep your cool and be silent for hours?
@@nm7358 you just proved his point about not getting everyone to talk
@@shaggyfeng9110do think it is torture or something? It isn't hard to not say anything
@@kameronjones7139 And yet so many people do feel a need to say something, even when explained before hand they should say nothing.
I'm glad he brings up the incompetence of the Yorkshire ripper case. Went into this video very skeptical when he said he worked on that one bc of how badly the police handled the investigation.
Beg to differ on that one - it was a totally different time with no DNA, no computers to cross reference data and the crimes occurred across different regions - me thinks the police didn’t badly handle it, but rather they were overwhelmed with the amount of information and no way to process it accurately
@@troyonplanet they spent more time unfairly profiling the victims than they did making an accurate profile of the ripper. He came up in police interviews NINE times and was still only caught by chance bc they wouldn't expand their suspicions outside of a profile that was completely wrong (based on the idea that he was specifically targeting prostitutes which was also wrong). It was absolutely incompetent and a really important demonstration of how police bias can tank a case.
@@natatatm playing devils advocate, criminal profiling of serial killers was virtually unknown in the UK when Sutcliffe was at large and yes he was interviewed multiple times - however, the police forces paper based records system was hopelessly inadequate in having any form of cross referencing. Plus their was never any strong evidence on which they could have charged Sutcliffe based on any of those interviews. I’m sure there would have been dozens of males who would have been interviewed on multiple occasions during the Ripper investigations. As a form of comparison, Gary Ridgeway committed 48 homicides in Washington state in the USA between 1982 and 1998 and was not arrested until 2001 when DNA evidence conclusively tied him to several of the murders - yet the police in Washington never copped the vigorous criticism that the Yorkshire police received - yet Ridgeway killed over 3x as many women over nearly 20 years - and his victims were all sex workers from the same area.
People need to understand that police failures are not called enough, the worst case I remember is a Soviet serial killer with local persecution so incompetent they jailed dozens of innocent men for his crimes, one of which was actually executed for crimes he didn't commit. That's why death penalty is insane: do you trust cops to always be right?
Saying that they lost so many cases by cross contamination, is so true and it's usually the cops fault cause they don't take as much caution as forensics experts. Cops responsible for crime scenes should be competent enough to do the job as many of them cannot stomach it and have often puked on crime scenes or contaminated the place by not wearing protection
If there was a "I'm all about show off" competition, this guy would be a gold, silver, and bronze medals holder.
So there is narcissism. He might be a serial killer himself.
@@clubbizarrethis comment made me laugh lol
@@clubbizarre overused term. Just pointing out your own achievements isn't even close to making somebody a narcissist.
Looks like that at first, but I think the editing has a lot to do with it. There are a lot of very short sound bites going "I did this" or "My work was instrumental in ..." .
But those are spliced in, maybe because whoever cut them in wanted for him to look more impressive.
I'm the bits where his answers are left to speak for himself, he comes across very differently: focused on the process much more and on his own part in it mich less.
How do you know it's not an act?
I try to watch everything featuring Mark Williams-Thomas. Thanks for this upload 🙏
JCS would be proud
JCVD might be proud as well.
Except that the guy argues that people like JCS are crap, because it's all in hindsight. All this body language stuff is rubbish.
Who's JCS?
@@UriahElroy666 Jim can't swim it's a famous RUclips channel
@@nm7358 ive always thought it was rubbis, but its still entertaining
I hope friends & families of the victims effected by cases getting colder and colder find some sense of understanding how detectives go about there investigation whether it be here or an other authoritative source.
*affected
@@clownhands could both homonyms suffice context?
"Do they intimidate me? No. No one intimidates me." 👀
Huge lie.
@@isaactlno. I know people who can’t be intimidated.
@@booker0110 people who aren't afraid don't need to tell you they're unafraid.
@@marksprinkle unprompted? Yes. He was directly asked, what was he supposed to asnwer, "I am shaking in my boots from big bad Joe "axefoot" the fingernail sniffer?"
What a narcissist
Absolutely Brilliant man !
0:23 Kinda amazed that you guys know about Chikatillo, notorious serial killer in the USSR (the first one to be actually convicted of it, if I remember correctly), love this channel, cheers!
these days he would be in wagner
If you're a Timesuck fan then you definitely know who he is and his "soft shame cock"
@@ronblack7870 their regular army now also hires convicted murdeers and if they survive, looses them free back home, usually with predictable results. The worst is kids forced to worship paedos who got pardoned because they went to do crimes in another country as heroes.
there was a tv movie with Steven Rea, Donald Sutherland, Max Von Sydow and Jeffrey DeMunn in 95, and of course those of us who have even a minimal interest in the field knew about Andrei Chikatilo as soon as it was publicized. Very notorious, even here in the USA.
Mark is a brilliant person, he helps so many people. Nothing but respect for him
Many of Peter Sutcliffe's victims were not sex workers. Prejudice from the police on this was one of the reasons the investigation was so ineffective. If you want to learn about the PS case from someone who actually knows what they are talking about listen to the first season of the podcast Crime Analyst by Laura Richards. Her experience makes this ex-dectective look like a jumped up boy scout.
Yes we’ve all seen the ripper
Exactly. This chap obv means well and I wouldn’t want to drag him too much, but like ‘sophisticated profiling techniques’ were and remain a huge problem with the Sutcliffe investigation; surely one could see how wilfully naive you’d have to be to be like ‘yeah but that was before, now our sophisticated profiling is free from misogyny and super effective’
@@elgatonegro1703 he was not a Yorkshire ripper detective, he investigated him 25 years later when he already admitted murders, pretty easy to investigate a murderer who’s happy to admit everything ffs
To be fair, he said that the first five victims were sex workers, which is true. He then said that the police didn't believe that they had a real victim until the sixth victim, who was not a sex worker. That is him saying that the profiling was misogynistic: he is saying the Police didn't believe sex workers were full people and admonishing them for it.
1 victim wasn’t a pro
But she was dressed like one and probably looked like one
My man talking about ego after saying no one in the world intimidates him
Yeah .... There's so much about him that's pretty sus ngl lol
I think there's something about some people become good investigators by being able to think like the criminals they investigate. They understand them. I think this guy is one of them. Might be why he can give some creep vibes, but the strong difference is that he made different choices and knew right from wrong.
Edit: I wrote this before I got to the part where he talks about his mental health. I'm more convinced now that he's one of those who can understand serial killers and to be able to do that but still have empathy, that must take a heavy toll on anyone. With his bad mental health and the knowledge/stories he got from the worst of the worst - no wonder he talks like the world is resting on his shoulders!
@@mammamiia08 Only correction: we *hope* he's made the choice to do the right thing. I don't think he's the type to commit a crime, but there are cops and investigators who are also criminals.
@mammamiia08 lmao hes not gonna be a killer he just understands it well and everyone is human and has similarities.
@@danitho has he been convicted or charged with anything ?
Talking about ego..how big is this man’s? When he exposed Jimmy Saville’s crimes, he was all over the news obviously but complimenting himself on what a good job he had done and that everyone should admire him because he good ex-police detective…me, me, me. Who’s the narcissist again!?
He might be a narcissist or he might just be trying to promote himself so he can get TV work and sell books.
I love it when people completely miss the point. This is an idiotic take lol.
Edit: one person murders people routinely, and one stops serial killers. Am I wrong?
Is there any other way to say what he said?
Ok can you suggest the "proper" way to tell his accomplishment
@@slumpmachinegaming What does your edit have to do with anything? No one refuted that he is responsible for putting some serial killers behind bars. He still comes off as rather narcissistic
How did so many of you get so bothered by the sports captain comments? He’s telling you how/why het got into his field. Chill out.
On the mental health front; coaching youth rugby has been amazing for my mental health.
Fascinating and very frightening
"No one intimidates me"
And that....intimidates me 😂
Every time there was a new chapter and the sound of tape played, to me it sounded more like a chainsaw and given the topic of the video, I always imagined a guy using that saw to kill someone.😬
"no one intimidates me"
Ok dude 😂 calm down
16:36 Talking about the impact it had on his mental health, I've often thought that Police get to see the shitty side of humanity far more often than the rest of us. Not at all surprised that it had a very bad impact on his mental health. It's good that there are still people who want to go into the Police force, if I saw what he had to see on just one day of his job, it would probably destroy me mentally. I give massive respect to those strong and brave enough to do that job.
Very interesting information. Thank you.
It's worth noting, if anyone reads this far, Private Eye (UK news journal) has covered this guy many times and his supposed skills in investigating. He's all mouth and no trousers - he "investigated" Nicola Bulley's disappearance - his exact quote on the main theory, that she had fallen into the river was "this is looking more and more unlikely.... the other two options, in my opinion, become increasingly more likely: that she left of her own free will, or a third party was involved.... with the flow of the River Wyre at the time only being very slightly higher and faster, it is still not enough to drag a fully clothed fit and healthy person far downstream" - she was found of course, 1 mile downstream, having fallen in and drowned. See also Jay Slater missing. He talks the talk, he doesn't walk the walk as a PI
maybe he knows but doesn't do. maybe he's like the rest of us, hit sometimes, miss most of the time.
HOW is it legal to put tracking devices, listening and recording devices in someone's home or car or whatever? I have never thought it was right for any government official to lie, cheat, steal and do what could only be perceived to be corrupt if a civilian who isn't an employee of the government did the exact same thing.
The police are allowed to lie to you.
@@SusanBryantInsomniacBookworm yes but my question was why or how is it legal for them to do so.
They need a warrant to do so. They can only do so if they reasonably suspect you are committing or have committed crimes and a judge signs off that the evidence that informs that suspicion is adequate
@@paulavance5096 well that's pretty simple, for example, if they lie in the interrogation room about having good evidence against you and they claim you'll go to prison for a long time, you might be more likely to co operate and give information.
that's why there's only 1 word you should ever say to the police and that's "lawyer"
Think about the utter impossibility of investigating things like organized crime if law enforcement was not allowed to be deceptive. Anything requiring an undercover cop would be automatically out the window, and organized crime, conspiracies etc would be pretty much impossible to take down.
the US criminal justice system isnt set up for restorative justice and I dont think they are even ready to hear that. we have a long way to go and even though this man works in the UK, its awesome to hear that people who are this aware work in these type of jobs. it restores some faith in some sort of criminal justice system.
The US justice system is utterly laughable
On a side note one thing I have noticed is that if they have DNA they can convict off that if they don't have a time line or something else and that's why some people get charged unjustly
Yeah the guy who opens up by saying "that guy was faking schizophrenia! I know it! It's impossible to be schizophrenic if you have psychopathy!" Isn't exactly the poster child for restorative justice
Très informative. Merci
Thank you for that first statement he made, peoppe overuse and miss-use the term serial killer. There is spree killers, mass murderers, etc. and no one uses those terms, they think all SKs are the same by definition or by basic acts; it's deeps than that.
In the U.K., the worst kind of cereal killing they have involves corn flakes.
such nice listening him talk!
Relates to Bryan kohberger and Idaho 4 case.
Hmm tracking and recording somebody as a private citizen sounds like it should be incredibly illegal
sounds like stalking and as far as I know stalkers never get stopped until it's too late
@@JoeyP946 oh noes poor serial killers getting stalked, who would think of the rights of Bronson "Nostril Ripper" Johnson.
@@KasumiRINA lmao your illegal actions might be the reason a man like that walks, as none of it would be admissible in a court.
regarding there not being a national data base for killers. NZ developed such a product around 2014, that was supposed to be available for sale to law enforcement internationally
They're doing a real disservice by not having a national database.
Thank you for your life long work. ❤
Man's a badass; talk's about connecting all these killers to various cases like it's nothing.
Easy when they are dead or dying in prison lmao
Serial killers dont kill random people even if they talk about them negatively
Hi question, you say the five-pound note could have led to the York Shire ripper but i would like to know how? he could have bought something and then that 5-pound note could have changed hands again. How do they know that that five pound note went to Peter? I see how they could have tracked it to the company but i don't know how they can go father with it.
Ego, yes he does. Effectiveness, yes he also does. I'd rather have an effective egotistical cop than an ineffective and humble cop.
True.People got mad in the comment section for his attitude and I don't know why.
Ego has no place in people being sentenced to a life in jail. It's facts and facts and no ego whatsoever.
That sounds reasonable, but unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. If you have a large ego, which this man clearly does, it’s naive to think that will not leak into his work and influence his investigative techniques and conduct. Police who aren’t egotistical are often pushed to employing unethical and illegal tactics in order to catch who they suspect is the perpetrator, out of frustration and pressure to close cases. Imagine that, plus the need to protect one’s ego and perceived reputation when you think so highly of yourself and your abilities. Also, it is very easy to manipulate people and push buttons when they have fragile egos; not a great weakness to have when interviewing and dealing with criminals.
I suspect that it was a good thing for the World that you did not go for the Rugby, you have applied yourself, your life, with amazing impact. You are owed so many Thank yous.
It does seem that the true Heros in the Police are never appreciated/acknowledged by the people they save and protect.
When you have faced and talked with the worst of the worst, you talk like the world is resting on your shoulders 💔
this is so interesting. i just wonder....if any budding serial killers are using it as a primer of what to consider when planning and executing these crimes. i'm sure there are, because apparently serial killers are very interested in other serial killers at times, and do searches, in which case this title as well as any others would pop up in their feed.
Fix the sound pops
it must be nice to have a job where people perceive you as the way you are
Well thanks for the tips, good luck catching me!
"I have no medical background, but I am absolutely sure he wasn't schizophrenic."
Was looking for this comment
Dudes been patting himself on the back the whole episode, damn chill, giving off narcissistic vibes
He says you identify a suspect and then look for evidence to convict them. Isn't that the wrong way round and leading to wrongful conviction?
sooooo you're basically saying- if you cant find something at the crime scene immediately, give up hope, dont look into anyone else?
Sometimes you have to develop a thing called motive, and once you find that, you can look for evidence.
grfo
@@imgrindin I am not at all saying that which you attribute to me.
Its kind of strange how you can say that Sinclair and Tobin is responsible for more murders then they are convicted for, but you think Barry George is innocent of killing Jill Dando and you know this for a fact.
10:26 yes! So I’m 17 and have been analysing interviews for 4 years. And some I can’t, they are so bad!!
Russell Williams in Canada is a masterful interview by the detective. Sadly, Canadian justice is a joke.
the Katy Perry meme at 6:58 💀
I highly recommend Pat Brown criminal profiler, she has a youtube channel
A lot of time luck has to do with catching predators for example the Yorkshire Ripper
1:59 I was infact able to demonstrate that he was infact not schizophrenic (mental illness that needs to be treated in a hospital) and infact demonstrated that he was a psychopath (mental illness that needs to be treated you guessed it in a hospital) give me a break
Wait what?
Putting listening and/or tracking devices in a house or a vehicle of another person is "on the right side of the law as an individual"?
I mean, you can get warrants to do it. It's not like he snuck in in the middle of the night and bugged someone's phone like in a James Bond movie or something.
@@iamme625 But you can't get a warrant as an individual or can you?
I get that the state can sometimes do it but it just sounds illegal to do it as an individual.
Interesting... we do have national databases here in the states that can be used to track crimes/suspects/ect. NCIC.
While I really don't think this guys interview was offensive in any way (After all, it is an interview, of course he's going to talk about himself and the cases???) I do agree he kind of showcases the personality style that was shown in The Wire for detectives where a lot of detectives view solving cases as an intellectual challenge and an unsolved case is an affront to their pride. This guy strikes me as that kind of thinker. It makes sense though, I'm sure the majority of police feel prideful about their work since at least on paper their work makes the world a better place (and I agree that far more often than not, it does).
This is only valid in countries with something akin to a liberal justice system with the accused having rights including the right to defend himself in court with all the means available to him. In countries were due process is nonexistent the cops are the problem. Because in those countries cops simply pick and choose who they want to lock up. Based sometimes on even personal vendettas. If you're lucky that is. If not they'll just suicide you. And guess what most countries in the world fit that description. And even developed countries often show a temptation towards ignoring basic rights. The cops for most of humanity are an instrument of opression. They're basically the armed force of the elite in that country tasked with keeping the masses under control. And even were they're not there's always that temptation to emulate the north korean style of policing. Its always there.
Loves himself.
His descriptions of the way they hunt for people, bug them, use cameras etc. reminds me that he is in the UK, where the people are subjects. Ninety percent of what he says he does would be tossed out of court in the US.
When I was in the UK a couple decades ago I watched police do things to people that would have gotten them years in prison in the States.
Weirdly, even in the most stringent police states murder exists.
Even in maximum security prisons no one is safe from a crazy person.
And yet you need a licence there to listen to short-wave radio.
What a load of drivel
Balls of solid rock, this feller here. Keep up the great work sir! Thank you
Interesting information
I can't even imagine the things he would've had to have seen in his career, I know parts of some of these cases but the details he must be haunted by... I hope he sleeps well at night knowing that he helped put horrible people in prison.
Thomas was born in 1970, so how could he work on the Ripper case who was caught in 1980.
Attributing him to other unsolved murders
marshallteach9006. So what. Why does he need to be humble to please you? Someone either knows their stuff or they don’t. That’s what matters. Are you humble? Do you have humility? I certainly hope so, your reply will tell.
psssst, you're not actually replying to anyone...
@@Tactical_Hotdog😂
Of all the things to criticise this guy for, y'all are picking his EGO? On a topic he's dedicated his entire life to? Nah. Him completely ignoring the actual people who started the Jimmy Saville investigation and taking basically full credit for it, on the other hand...
So full of himself! Everyone is wrong but him!
This is typical of intelligent people.
And typical of thick people like you that you make such nonsense claims
No its typical of the unintelligent.
a smart person knows how much he doesn't know..
Very interesting stuff. One thing that I have to say is that comparing the UK to the US is unfair and makes no sense. The UK is literally the size of maybe 2 states. I hear the argument all the time in debates, unless you are talking about the entirety of Europe, from the UK to Ukraine, compared to the US, the argument is invalid. Otherwise, great video.
One thing I'm curious of, and I don't work in law and order nor have any experience in the field but.............from the introduction, he mentions identifying the suspects but shouldn't the evidence collection be first and that lead to identifying suspects rather than identifying a suspect first and then trying to collect the evidence to prove guilt? This seems to my naive mind a very flawed way of doing things. He later in the piece talks about the police becoming fixated on a suspect and why sometimes there is a miscarriage of justice, these two ideas seem to me to go hand in hand.
Perhaps I'm over thinking this but I always believed that the process was find the evidence, follow the trail of where the evidence leads and gradually weed out candidates. It seems like if you've already got a suspect in mind then the natural reaction would be to fit the evidence to the suspicion? Wouldn't this way of operations compromise the police by having an agenda or preconceived notions that affect the operation?
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A highly evolved human...you are a beautiful person Mark. Everyone SHOULD want help society heal and move forward but only SOME actually do. You are an Inspiration. My Thanks to You
Who here thinks Jimmy Savile was in league with Peter Sutcliffe back in the day?
So, what serial killeds does he acrually hunt? Or is the title clickbait?
I watched this video years ago on this channel 3 years ago on my RUclips page that I’m on now.
No one intimidates this man not even his blind hairdresser
Didn't really finish listening to anything he had to say. Just another person who thinks punitive type punishment is the solution when clearly it isn't. In almost every serial killer case I have watched there were red flags somewhere in that serial killer's history, whether it started at childhood or later on. We need to understand what these red flags are and how to intervene when we detect them. To many times we as a society ignore these red flags and are shocked when these people go on to commit heinous crimes.
Knowledge is the key to minimizing the damage. Also we need to understand why some people have more of a genetic disposition to kill when they grow up in a bad environment while others do not. Strong mental health services that work in conjunction with the justice system is how we will combat heinous crimes. We need to be thinking about how to help the next broken person before they become that heinous murderer.
Some people have more of a genetic disposition to kill. That is true. But genetic combination is a complex thing. How do you identify all those problematic kids, and then improve their personalities and behaves by some programs, when most parents cannot even improve their own kids personalities and behaves after trying for years and spent all their saving. It is simply impossible to achieve.
@@shaggyfeng9110 It isn't a matter of helping everyone. It is matter of collecting information about these problem people so that in the future we may be able to help other people who aren't as far gone and to intervene in cases, like child abuse, before it can permanently damage the child. We already know from brain scans that psychopaths have reduced connections between the ventromedial prefrontal cortex (vmPFC), the part of the brain responsible for sentiments such as empathy and guilt, and the amygdala, which mediates fear and anxiety. Imagine if we could find ways to increase the connections between these parts of the brains. I agree that it is unlikely a program will be able to help people that have been to damaged, but I can certainly say with 100% certainty that punitive measures like solitary confinement isn't going to help them or anyone else.
Lastly I would add we need a preventative detention system like they have in Norway that ensures anyone who is still a danger to the public does not get out. With a strong connection between mental health services and the justice system we can not only study these people but ensure they do not get out if they remain dangerous. The current parole system in the United States is composed of under educated and unskilled bumpkins.
Maybe you would be able to recover some if you came here to New Zealand for a holiday...
Audio is mastered way too low. Great content though
It's really not hard to just... say you have no comment and not talk again once given Name, DOB and Address (legally if don't give these you can be held longer than 24 hours until a court determine who are and that isn't a good idea in any situation) and 9/10 times if they are interviewing you, they haven't got enough. Not always, obviously not always as some times the evidence is overwh but the cops are trying to figure out why or get a few smaller, but unnecessary pieces of the story together. Talking to police is the biggest mistake anyone can make
I don't fully understand the literal definition of the serial killer thing. 3+ people over 30+ days? So basically anyone who kills 3 people in 10 years counts?
And if you only kill 5 within a week and stop it doesn't count? Or 2 within 30 days?
I know literal definitions often seem kind of arbitrary but are important for thr application of laws, but this one confuses me lol
It is somewhat arbitrary but there is some logic to it as a tool for ruling out crimes you don’t want in the statistics because they don’t really match what you mean by serial killers. Three people is just the threshold. You could imagine someone in a shitty position killing someone and even a second person by chance in their life due to different out bursts. But three is a long term pattern where they are seeking out people to kill. The reason why killing a bunch of people in a short period is not considered is much for the same reason. Serial killers are a specific type of killer. It involves compulsion and seeking out multiple victims, but if you include short time multiple victims then you muddy the stats with so called spree killers. These people may not be serial killers in the traditional sense. Maybe they snapped and murdered a bunch of people at a grocery store. Or maybe they are a school shooter. Or the guy who snapped and killed multiple police across serveral days in California. These people might be monsters but have you ever thought of a school shooter as a serial killer? So it’s more about making sure you are precise in order to filter down to what people are thinking about when talking about serial killers and get just those killer statistics.
Restorative justice is a firing squad.