Murder or Mistake | Oscar Pistorius: Burden of Truth (2014) | Full Film
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2023
- After the death of Reeva Steenkamp at the hands of Oscar Pistorius, the question remains: was it a tragic mistake or premeditated murder? This report unpicks the forensic investigation at the heart of the case.
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"The entire trial will be fought on one issue: intention", says criminal law professor Steve Tuson. A man who overcame all obstacles to become an international icon, Oscar Pistorius used words like "horror", "fear" and "grave danger" to describe his state of mind on that fateful night. Disabled, subject to death threats and living in a nation where a sense of ever-present danger is said to have altered the national psyche, his defence will claim Oscar thought he was protecting Reeva from an intruder. An analysis of bullet entry, blood spatter and mobile phone evidence will help distinguish lies from cold facts. "Innocence or guilt can hang on a tiny detail", says Tuson.
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The whole story makes no sense . What would an intruder be doing in the bathroom? Shaving ? Stealing your razor ? There's absolutely no question that this guy was, and is guilty
I follwed each trial day. The bathroom was the only room in the double story house which didn't have burglar bars on it's window. In additition there had been a ladder outside the house from cinstruction workers. If there had been a burglar, he would have entered through the bathroom window
Yes i agree the story is ridiculous,he didn’t even check who was in the bathroom before shooting,not just once,his money gave him a lenient sentence,it should have been Life
Hi I am South African. This is south Africa . It’s a country with a lot of violence and murders.
Break ins are common.
I believe there is reasonable doubt.
This was a man with no legs. He suffered anxiety attacks also. I am 50:50. I watched the trial and there was reasonable doubt. The first judge got it right.
He was very remorseful and offered financial support to the Sternkamps for many years.
I don’t think it was intentional, some sort of freak accident. Maybe..
Murder.
He had a bad temper and thought he was so special.
A real noxious supremacist.
Does that equally murder beyond a shadow of a doubt?
@worldview730
Ii believe that the evidence pointed to that.
Thank you happy new year to ya@@pearlfeather9326
@@worldview730 I guess the only doubt is did he intend to kill her or was he just firing the gun in a rage? Legally I don't think that matters though so he went with the intruder story.
Says who??
Why did she lock the toilet door when its just the two of them in the house?...i suspect she ran to the toilet to get away from him and locked the door.
Yea, and she brought her mobile with her to the bathroom and was going to call someone. Thats when he lost it and shot her.
She was using him. He might have figured that out.
@@angelwings7930 How was she using him? How do you know?
@angelwings7930 So? If she was using him because he had more fame than her, why didn't he dump her? Did he need to kill her? If we kill every girlfriend or boyfriend who mistreated us in the past, there wouldn't be anyone left. Pathetic excuse from a weak man. Pistorius was a great athlete but an insecure and arrogant man. Definitely she had enough and he wouldn't accept.
The first thing he should have done is alert reeva to the situation. She surely would have been his first concern before doing anything.
Any rational human would immediately establish where in that home their partner is - it didn't make sense at the time and it will never make sense. I can't help wondering what the outcome would have been if Reeva had thought he was an "intruder"? I don't need to wonder. So sad.
He was aiming for her so no need to warn her.
Murder for a hot tempered rage !! He should have been sentenced longer - at least 20 years ! He is a bombastic hot tempered human with no remorse except for himself - I am from South Africa and his was tragic for such a young beautiful young lady and her family
No one in their right mind would open fire on a bathroom door after hearing noises without checking that their partner wasn't right next to them and not in an obvious place at that time of night...the bathroom! Oscar claiming he was terrified and pathetic doesn’t fly.
!he does not have a right mind!! You are right
Just extremely grateful he never had children in that apartment.. his rage and anger dose not even bare thinking about , the poor victim never stood a chance with him
One cannot say what other people would think or do or how they'll react, we are all different.
It happened various times, that I went to the bathroom and when I came back I only notice my husband is not in bed. He left for work about 4.30 am. So it is possible to assume your partner is still in bed.
@@user-mk9ut2bj2y Did you hear noises in your house and forget to check that your husband wasn't in the bed right next to you before you took out your gun and shot into the most likely place your partner would have gone, the bathroom? I think the circumstances are quite different.
He´s gonna be free on parole now in January 2024..... he gets his freedom and starts a new life and Reeva dead at 29
Exactly. And her family get the life sentence. SO, SO VERY WRONG. Should not have been given parole at ALL.
It’s just despicable !!
He's been behaving himself in jail and so now they're letting him go free after not even 10yrs inside how pathetic.
The only good part is that being a disabled white dude in a South African prison must have been a nightmare.
A person close to her said she didn’t love him. I guess using someone might backfire.
That wasn't a mistake!you just shoot thru the door of your bathroom in a gated community because you were scared,yea she was dumping him
Same thing I was saying!! She was the only person who wanted his a**!! He probably brought her, as pretty as she was and who he was she got fed up with him and you know the rest.
He MURDERED that beautiful woman in cold blood!
He was jealous, there was NO intruder!!
Not cold blood. Hot fuming blood. Jealousy and anger are the opposite of cold.
It's called a crime of passion.
@@CT2507
You need to look up “crime of passion” as you are very misinformed on the difference between what you claim this was and premeditated murder!
She was using him, and one of her close friends or family testified to it. I guess it backfired on the nasty git.
@@angelwings7930 So in other words she deserved it huh? She had it coming?
@@angelwings7930 It couldn't have been a close friend who told this. Close friends don't shit on their dead and murdered best friends. Nor her family who are convinced he murdered her. Why would her family destroy her reputation?
You got your stories mixed up, or you like to invent stuff it sounds like.
He knew very well without hesitation that he was killing her and he did killed her. The truth sits with him every millisecond of his life. The thoughts of that fateful night will haunt him forever and he will never ever again be the same person. The universe will fight for her and may her soul continues to rest in peace. It hurts so much.
He never think about her he have no consionce
Nope he accomplished wat he set out to do and that was to get rid of her
Your opinion. I can't imagine he would want to lose her
@@lisapridgeon5679
Wtf…your so illogical it’s scary!
He MURDERED HER…so obviously losing her is no big deal for him!
Wtf!!!
He closed the balcony door because he didn't want the neighbours to hear why they were arguing. When he closed the balcony door, they were up and arguing and never made it to bed. He killed her intentionally.
Makes 100% Sense!
You have video footage of this?
@worldview730 critical thinking and common sense! You should try it sometime!
Vice versa, Why does that prove?@@melisentiapheiffer3034
@@melisentiapheiffer3034 Oooh catty! Certain time of the month most probably...
There's no way you fire into bathroom without knowing where Reeva is prior. The assumption shes in bed doesn't work in this scenario ...
Right! Because its way to easy to verify that. Something else happened that night.
😰A CRIME of PASSION ‼️ Jealousy......
Why would a intruder hide in his toilet?
Especially when his bedroom was on the top floor, there would have been a toilet downstairs too😮
Oscar is a murderer and a liar. I can't believe her served such a short time for taking a life. Wishing Reeva's loved ones strength in the coming years.... And to those celebrating - hope you never go through what the Steenkamps have and are enduring.
Exactly
Amen.
he will neve rise again, any company willing to attach their image to a murderer must prepare to lose money
Oscar had arrogance/anger/aggression issues. His Arrogance displayed at the shooting range, firing his gun in public places. As well as shooting his gun through an open sunroof - while driving his vehicle. Interview his previous girl friends and have them expose his threatening nature.
@vaneden9603
Thank you for your response. No. Were you? Who is the "ex" you refer to? Oscar Pistorius murdered Reeva Steenkamp deliberately. Let the evidence speak (see references below). Nothing said, or done can EVER justify someone committing murder.
Oscar Pistorius's previous relationships were also "turbulent" as his aggression proved to his then partners' fear - to finally play out in his diabolical killing of Reeva Steenkamp. The young woman wasn't "no-one", she was Reeva. Even a non-celeb is entitled to freedom from murder - for something she may have said. All lovers have tiffs. How many are murdered for them? But what on earth has "popularity", "celebrity" or that she was a "no one" got to do with the murder of a beautiful young woman - by an aggressive and angry man?
Blood has a voice! Evidence calls for justice! And myriad police and other photographs and scientific tests don't lie, but beg honest scrutiny and firm conviction. And the truth will always out!
See the superb and thorough forensic work truth4reeva.com MollettMedia.com and book "Oscar vs The Truth" an exceptional detailing of expert forensic work through pure scientific methodology and painstaking experiments.
The court case - the prosecution sadly shoddy and incomplete in its missing/neglect of producing essential evidence! And the judge was totally out of her depth (no site inspection - "one gets the idea that Judge Masipa simply didn't understand and comprehend the moving of the fans as a deciding factor with regard to the validity of Oscar's version"!) - left more than much to be desired. Lie after lie after lie.
Did the prosecution bring in the fact that Oscar Pistorius first shot Reeva with his air (pellet) gun? No! See wound to the side of her elbow and clear pellet holes in the bedroom door/frame? Did the prosecution bring forward the evidence that Oscar Pistorius hit Reeva twice on her back (2 wounds at her spine) with his cricket bat? The answer again is "no" - and neglect! Did the prosecution show the dented stainless steal plate on the side of the bath that was smashed in with the cricket bat (such anger)? No! And all this aggression, anger, fury building up as terrified Reeva tried to run and find shelter and safety behind a locked toilet door. And all - before Oscar Pistorius removed his gun from under the left side of the bed and went to the toilet door (on his stumps - see the evidence - photographs - in the blood) before he SHOT her 4 times through the door - to kill her.
Investigate and inform yourself of the full details and truth of the matter. Until then: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
@@vaneden9603
I watched the criminal proceedings live on tv. Reeva was in the toilet with her phones.....suggesting that she was likely trying to make a call to inform some one of the danger she was in after altercation with oscar.Who goes to the toilet at 3am with their handsets?
I do
AND locks the door?
..and locks the door ..mh
Shortly before the Reeva shooting, either a newspaper or a magazine reported on a previous girlfriend who stated that Oscar was not at all whom and what he pretended to be. Oscars lawyers came down on her like a ton of bricks. I wonder why? That sure is one lucky girl!
Having met him, he portrayed himself as humble but he was far from humble. He was a very nasty piece if qirk qith a quick violent temper.
@@5801160052086 yes! His gf prior to Reeva, Samantha Taylor - Samantha's mother Trish wrote a book: "Oscar; An Accident Waiting To Happen".
Samantha dated him for 2 years but she was much younger than Reeva and way less assertive.
She placated him when he got into his 'moods'. He was obsessed with his gun and she hid it a couple of times for her own safety (clever move).
He totally controlled her. Wanted to know at all times where she was and who she was with. He told her what to wear and how to do her makeup and hair. He was intensely jealous. He didn't want her to talk to anyone else except her family and him. He got triggered into a rage at the drop of a hat. He was an accident waiting to happen. Poor Reeva.
Or when he was once stopped by police and got arrogant and egotistical and proclaimed "Do you know who I am?" He's a murderer and he thought he'd get away with it. He was a "golden boy" in this country and now he's nothing. And nothing is what he should remain because that'll hurt his gigantic ego more than anything.
He is a narcisstic sosiopath! He knowingly killed her. I think they quarrelled and she told him she was done and was breaking the relationship. As a sosiopath, he couldn`t handle the rejection and decided to end her life. I believe Reeva ran to the bathroom to hide and protect herself. That`s why he shot thru the door. He couldn`t open the door.
Oscar has a very bad reputation. People have talked about her arrogant he was and his ego was off the roof. He drove cars rescklessly without concern and on several occations he waved his gun in the air in public and threatened people. The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. He should get life in prison.
Imagine the need to have your way and to sustain that control gets so strong that you kill someone for it. A person who destroys you coz you refused to submit to them is a narcissist. What a waste. He had the world on his palm. He not only destroyed Reeva, but he also self destructed himself in the process. Unbelievable.
I think Oscar KNEW she was in the bathroom and killed her on purpose and then wanted to make it look like a mistake. Why wouldn't you call out someone's name to make sure they weren't in the bathroom. It's fishy.
todo mundo acusa..todo mundo tem certeza..agora, uma coisa não foi dita até agora..o motivo..ninguém mata sem um , só se for louco...porque ele mataria? promotores estão mais interessados em ganhar a causa do que saber se o réu é culpado ou não..já vi julgamento que eles esconderam até provas..então eles não provaram sem sombra de dúvidas que ele é culpado..foi muito achismo..deve ter..pode ter..ele talvez..prova irrefutável não apresentaram..melhor as vezes liberar um culpado do que condenar um inocente, pois muitos promotores já mandaram pro corredor da morte pessoas inocentes..vizinho que ficam as 3 horas da manhã tomando conta da vida dos outros não prova nada..testemunha as pensam uma coisa e nem tem certeza..não mostram essas fotos que falaram aí de olho roxo..então por esse vídeo pra mim a pena foi justa..
Geez....ya think? 🤔🙄
Reckless.She locked that bathroom door, possible fight ,argument etc and his way to get in was to shoot it open hitting her 4 times. whether intentionally or not. His aggressive behavior,temper Did him in. The intruder excuse is just a convenient one to tell to lessen his behavior towards her. To cover up his mistake. Its what I believe because his actions made little sense. No attempt to discipline or tread with responsibility and safety to those around him..More to him than meets the eye and its not good.
There's no excuse for what that narcissistic evil shit did.He purposely shot that beautiful young woman who had her life ahead of her.There was no intruder & he knew it .He's evil to the core &a MURDERER.I.M.O.
Your words are quite harsh to someone you don’t even know. My friend in Mozambique almost got abducted last week. He was lucky for the type of car he was driving that saved his life.
nossa..que certeza..parece até que estava dentro da casa do cara..só porque ela era bonita..se fosse feia..aquele que matou a mulher e o garçom..foi inocentado..era violento..batia na mulher, pois ela muitas vezes apareceu bem agredida..perseguia ela porque não aceitou o divórcio..era um mentiroso..tanto que depois foi até preso por assalto num hotel não teve esse mi mi mi todo..ninguém esbravejou. deu chilique por causa disso..ficaram do lado dele..
He murdered her in cold blood. His excuse of I thought she was a intruder was a joke. He should have gotten life with no parole. That poor woman spent her last few seconds of life in absolute terror.
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Her parents, loved ones and many friends get to spend a life sentence without her. My heart goes out to her mom and dad who will never be able to feel justice was served. R.I.P. Reeva. This life is short - eternity lasts forever and they will all be together again.
I agree.
I don't agree with you....and I'm willing to bet you can't back up your claim with hard evidence that emerged from the trial.
For instance....you won't even be able to produce a witness that claimed he lifted his hand to them (I'm referring particularly to women) ....let alone run after them with a gun.
What happened was a tragic accident.....that is why Reeva was comfortable enough to evacuate her bladder, as the autopsy revealed.
falou o juiz..o júri..tem uns vagabundos que matam a família inteira que nem pegam prisão perpétua..
He seems guilty to me. There's no reason for him to assume that it was not Reeva in the bathroom.
@@GamphooBy whom? His actions during the murder and after the crime gave him away.
He was convicted of murder you know that right?
On appeal it was upgraded to murder. He could afford good lawyers. He has been released after serving time for murder.
My heart goes out to Reevas family,I hear that they will be letting that monster out next year. I believe he knew what he was doing he was known for he's temper.He should not be allowed to walk free.That was an act in court poor acting at that .who's to say he won't snap again
If one thinks there is an intruder,the first thing to do is make sure your partner is safe then look for the intruder,but don’t shoot non stop without checking if there was anyone in the bathroom
He said he did that
What he said and what he did are two different things entirely.
What i don't get is that there was no communication from reeva while she was in the toilet at any time. She would have heard him shouting at the intruder.at that point she could have said its me. Or come out to see what he was shouting about.
@@melgrant7404 maybe its because they had a heated argument she could have gone into the bathroom to wait for him to cool down
@@AnneTaylor-kk8ze or to escape.
First shot to the toilet door - she would scream and he would know "REEVA IS IN THERE!"
Exactly. He did hear the magazine rack though which is odd.selective hearing.
For me, this girl lost her life for one reason, she did not do as she was told. He gave her instructions. Before you go to sleep, bring in the fans and lock the doors. When he woke and saw those doors still open and she was fast asleep, he lost it. Rightly or wrongly, he's a paranoid mess. He sees danger around every corner. So he flipped. She was already fearful and intimidated by him so she ran for her life and locked herself in the bathroom with him right behind her. Banging on the door like a lunatic. That's when the neighbors heard "get the f out of my house." He knew she had her phone, so he needed to get in there before she called for help. So he put his prosthetics on and shot through the door. I don't think he intended to kill her. He is a sociopathic narcissistic sociopath and his temper and entitlement got the better of him. Rest in peace Reeva. You are loved, you are missed and you are brave.
Your version of events, simply don't tie up with the evidence that was revealed in the case.
For example....the trajectory of the bullets, places Oscar right at the back of the room, and on his stumps.
Your version simply don't connect all the dots I'm afraid.
Also, you have him chasing Reeva with a gun, because she didn't bring in the fans....now if this was the case, wouldn't it be easy to find a female witness, that could testify that she was at least struck or kicked. Yet there was nothing of the kind.
Your starting point is murder, then you working back....the mistake so many are making.
But hey.... I blame the media for that, after all, they falsely claimed she was struck by a cricket bat. This was proved to be false.
@@arnolddaries8668A female witness? And you blame the media for reporting on the cricket bat that was part of the trial and forensic experts, not the media, said was used on Reeva? Weird and not credible posts.
Very possible version of events going on past experience in my own life
@@susanwilliams7814 take your past experience into account, and consider the pattern of behaviour.
I can almost guarantee that your offending partner, exposed his unsavory behaviour in steps.
What I mean by this is....he probably first start out being demanding, then it escalated to shouting and being verbally abusive, then he became pushy and shoved and slapped you (apologized, and promised it wouldn't happen again)....but it did.
Not only did it happen again, but the beatings got worse as time went on.
I can almost also guarantee that you not the first person/partner he struck and treated this way.
Now....as bad as this guy was, he never chased you around and threatened you with a gun....the very first time you guys fought.
Why.... because in the real world, things take the shape of escalation.
Having said this.....if Oscar was this abrasive, wouldn't you expect him to have had an abusive past.
Surely, one of his ex girlfriends, should have testified to a beating at least.
After all, who gets so mad with a partner, for not bringing in the fans....that he responds by pulling out a firearm.
What makes this even more unlikely....is the fact that they were only dating for 3 months, and also this happened in the early hours of the morning. (Did your partner wake up in the middle of the night, and show his true colours by beating you up for the first time??)
These few things alone, should suggest that one need to consider ALL the facts and evidence of the case, way more cautiously.
@@susanwilliams7814 I'm sorry you had an awful experience at the hands of an abusive partner.
But I'm willing to bet, it didn't happen suddenly and in a vacuum.
What I mean by this is....that your previous abusive partner, didn't suddenly beat you up out of the blue.
I'm willing to bet it started out possibly first being verbally abusive, then escalated to physical abuse.
And he more than likely had a track record of abuse.
The prosecution couldn't find one single partner that could testify to physical abuse.
Don't you find this very odd???
Why would he get so mad with Reeva, after only dating her for 3 months....to chase her around the house with a gun, just because she didn't bring in the fans.
The fact of the matter is this....none of the evidence points to this conclusion.
murder hello? not even a question
It’s shame that justice has not been properly served in this case. The first Judge royal messed up. First finding him guilty of only culpable homicide. Then allowing him to serve his sentence on house arrest and then messing up the sentencing. He’s now been granted Parole and will be out in Jan 2024. Poor RIva. They have to fight so much just get a sliver of justice and even then he did not face the full force of the law for his heinous act.
Well said😢
The verdict from first trial was appealed and over turned.
It has nothing to do with the new charge of murder. He was sentenced as per guidelines so?
The first manslaughter verdict was tossed out please.
At the appeal he was convicted of murder !!
Ok all you fighters for this triggerhappy man,why was he shooting through his sunroof in that bright starry night!!!! He must just never had a gun because his childish+want to play cowboy+crooks everywhere he goes,remember the gunshot in restaurant???
@@christenenienaber7939 yes Dangerous and Deadly 😪😱hes proven that! REEVA 💕🙏
What mistake? He had a temper tantrum. That’s why he went to prison 🤷🏾♀️
One thing doesn't make sense tho. If somebody has such a short fuse to kill somebody you just know for a couple of months over an argument must include that this person will have similar outbursts throughout his life. Not one incedent of rage, outburst or violance had been found in his entire life. Does one wake up one day and flip out so bad to to kill somebody?
@@2loudway2muchif you watch the police woman who first reported the incident said that there was previous domestic incidents at the house.
Reeva had a black eye (photos been released by her family) that tells everything, it can only be blue because it was done before she died. Her nose also was bleeding, she had multiple mark, that are possibly from the same object he supposedly used to break the bathroom door
Also he had tape & black bin liners next to her body when the police arrived at the scene, so you can imagine what his first plan was.. I’m wondering if he called some friends to change his minds since he may have known he was getting out earlier than usual
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You use words like.... possibly, supposedly, imagine and I'm wondering.
All this proves, is that you merely speculating....and none of what you said was proved in court.
Your version of events is way off the mark I'm afraid....for it ignores all the evidence that was raised in the trial.
People shot in the head often get those black eyes.
Lord grant me to understand the things I cannot change and wisdom to know the difference...Gad is God and he lives in the heart of men...God is the final judge.
I believe he knew what he was doing. When he fired the 1st shot, I am sure she would have screamed and he would have recognised her voice. Why fire 4 shots? His intention was to kill her in a rage of jealousy. So that burglary story was pure lies. Only he knows the truth what happened that day and I wish it would haunt him for the rest of his miserable life.
He killed her and was convicted and did a weak ass sentence, and now he's free.
He might be free but broke.
Olympic career gone.
Broke in South Africa.
Gross to even pose the question, considering murder has already been proven.
Sad reality
He was convicted of murder.
He has finished the sentence for the murder charge.
Originally the female black judge gave him manslaughter. On appeal it was upgraded to murder..
murder
How can anyone in his right mind have any sympathy for Oscar Pistorius after taking the life of a beautiful loving woman in the prime of her life!
He found his gun but he couldn’t see that Reeva was missing from the bed, if she was sleeping on his bed?
Exactly. And wouldn't she yell "it's me in here" when he yelled "get out of my house"? He's full of crap.
This guy is a monster and should have never received parole
I have a friend who is a doctor, and he said all Oscar Pistorius' lawyers had to do was show that she was in the midst of a bowel movement or relieving her bladder which you can show through an autopsy. For some reason, this was never presented as evidence, maybe because Oscar Pistorius' lawyer couldn't prove this. Was surprised that the biological status of Reeva Steenkamp's body was never discussed and that they only focused on the ballistics. She was possibly in the bathroom because she was hiding from Oscar (at least the courts seem to think so) and not there to relieve herself. Case closed (again). [Correction the biological status of Reeva Steenkamp's body was discussed. In the article "Pistorius Grilled Over Reeva Steenkamp's Final Meal, Clothes (2014). South African prosecutor Gerrie Nel said "expert evidence showed Steenkamp's stomach should have been empty by the time she was killed"; however, "Reeva's stomach was not empty." ]
Absolutely, I fully agree, and why was the door locked?? That in itself is proving already that she was hiding from him and I suppose they had an argument, only him and God knows what happened there 🧐😳😭😢😥😰😨💔💔💔💔 what a beautifull woman, RIP DEAR REEVA 😇😇😇💕💕💕🙏🙏🙏
@@doreenliebenberg3517 What a shame that he is getting out on parole after serving about ten years or less.
@@doreenliebenberg3517 agree.
I’m neither agreeing nor disagreeing that he is guilty. But saying “most likely” is the same as saying “I’m assuming. “. Remember about 3 months before this incident, there were burglars IN HIS HOUSE. My husband and I had our child sleeping in our bedroom every night after we had a home invasion in Bloemfontein. After this, we had fortified our bathroom door and hidden firearms in the ceiling. We had told our child to run into the bathroom and LOCK THE DOOR. She had had training to sh@@t……she was only 14. Sad way to live 😢
@@miniliebenberg9644 In the US some time after the Oscar Pistorius' murder crime, a man killed his wife in the bathroom and made the same claim as Oscar Pistorius' ; however, he was found guilty and given life in prison. Apparently, this is an old murder trick; except, other countries let the alleged murderers off easier.
I have never had a girlfriend that locked the bathroom or toilet door when they went to toilet . Why would his girlfriend rerva lock the door if they were together for a while . Doesnt make sense
Your girlfriends were weird. Locking the door is normal.
They had not been together long, perhaps she wasn’t totally comfortable yet. Plenty of people lock the door to use the bathroom, that in itself is not unusual.
Exactly. Only if she's scared of you would she lock the door.
She locked the door because he was angry and coming for her!
She was hiding from Oscar
Many things don't make sense...for me it seems he should of called out her name before even thinking of shooting.
Evidence of the scene always tell truth, a scene can tell you all that happened but in most cases never the sequence... Oscar knew how to manipulate his story in sequence to fit the evidence.
What makes sense is they had argument and separated in vexation, he was on the balcony with fan. She was in bed. He came in angry and aggressive, she ran into bathroom and locked herself inside. He tried kicking the door that didn't work so he fired through the door.
he should have got life - no parole or death penalty.
I wish they'd told what the cellphone findings were. Oscar's version makes no sense....unfortunately only the 2 of them knows what had happened and Reeva will nevet have a minute to tell her side. Rest well Reeva
it was a tragic accident ??? what a load of BS why didn't he look for Reeva first ??? that's what any person would do Oscar has anger issue's they had an argument Reeva runs to the bathroom with her cell phone WEIRD he knew what he was doing Oscar is a liar thinking because he's so famous he could get away with it
She had two phones one was his.she was checking his phone I think.
@@melgrant7404 yes l forgot about the other phone Oscar had women on the side Reeva should have just dumped him
@@mariealexander9545i agree , dump him when she is away from him 😮 not at his Townhouse😮 but sadly we could all write a book on hindsight. POOR REEVA🙏💕
MURDERER THAT STORY WAS OUTRIGHT UTTER BS PLAIN AS DAY HE IS A KILLER AND A COWARD AND A LIAR
Reeva was probably telling Oscar I HAD IT WITH YOUR JEALOUSY AND I WANT OUT OF THIS RELATIONSHIP and the creeping freaking prosthetic athlete couldn’t take it like a man!
He killed her gf his sentence should be life imprisonment,why his out after 10 years,what was happened to the law of South Africa.
you are not alone in the house, if the toilet is locked must have been your companion....if that is the burglar he must have been passes your bed and why he will decide to go inside more to lock himself in that toilet.
If i hear a strange sound at night i’d first check if my partner is awake and heard it too,I believe a jealous rage caused Oscar to do what he did,Was Reeva or Oscar unfaithful ?? or was he just a Dynamite stick,Ready to blow??
In South Africa the crime is so high, you first shoot to protect yourself then ask who is it? I will never my own experience there. Beautiful country but crime is deadly.
Sad and true..
You might be freed from prison but you will be a prisoner in your home for the rest of your life, coz believe me, it won't be safe for you to go out, at any time
Murder most foul
They have turned a tragedy into a joke...
Rubbish, he said he "whispered" or "used a low tone" to tell Reeva to get down and call the police. Did she answer? Was she panicked telling him not to go out there and leave her? Any right thinking person would make sure that they were heard before rushing out into danger. He knew she was not in that bed. Period.
Till today I believe he is guilty. He is+was a sorry case,and believe it will be the same with courtcase, he came off very soft+can be glad that Reeva was not my child!!!!!
Clearly he murdered Reeva in cold blood. She was hiding from him in that toilet cubicle, thats why she didnt call out when he "shouted fir rhe intruder to come out" (like hell he did)..she didnt want him breaking the door diwn or shooting at her voice. What a little weasel he is!!
There’s no evidence of any kind of break in
I hope Oscar can be remorseful, and tell the truth about what really happened that night, otherwise he will be carrying all that negative energy for his entire life
Of course he's guilty. He fell out on Valentines as a lot of couples do, and the fool blasts four shots through a bathroom door knowing she was in there; obvious really and the guy is one of lifes chumps.
He is guilty as sin.. And a lying SOB.. If he really wanted to protect Reeva as he said, and thinking she was in the bedroom, why did he not go to her lock the door and called the police..
Why if you are only x2 in the house.. Can one of you not be in the toilet, why immediately assume there is a bugaler in the toilet?
And if a burglar was in a toilet behind a locked door, who is more afraid.. You standing with a loaded gun.. Or the person behind a locked toilet door.?
Absoultley, and ALLEGEDLY only two people in this guarded security TownHouse ,Valentines day, ALLEGEDLY both sharing the same bed and an ensuite/toilet in that room, if your partner is not in the bed beside you AND the toilet door is locked 😮 your partner is in that room , you would call out that person's name and at least check who has locked the toilet door😮ALLEGEDLY neighbours heard a woman screaming in fear 😮 for her life😮 IM sure ALLEGEDLY Pist. Would of heard those SCREAMS too😮
He shot from the bed on his stumps
This is South Africa not the United States or uk
He is a selfcentre narcissist with a fury of jealousy in him that cannot be stopped Why did Reeva locked the toilet door if it was only she and Oscar in the house All my friend said they go to the toilet either leaving the door open or just close is but never lock it He murder her point
Be careful who u fall in love with
Granted that he was in a state of PANIC after REEVA TOLD HIM: I want out of this relationship! I CANNOT TAKE IT ANYMORE!
This has never made sense. During his trial I recall he testified hat Reeva got up from the bed. So if he is screaming her name and happened to be in the bathroom, she would have responded. But he continues shouting her name and no response from anywhere in the house, so where did he think she was?
He killed her..period..he can lie to the world but he cant lie to himself..he will be miserable for the reminder of his life..
He said he went outside on the balcony to get a fan, before he heard noises from inside of his apartment. Then he got a gun and shot through the bathroom door. He also said he was not wearing his prosthetic legs while shooting. Am I the only one that doesn't make sense to?
How would he be able to carry a fan, if not wearing his prosthetic legs?
I assume, that without them he'd need to use his arms to move around, so he couldn't possible carry an object like a fan at the same time.
I miss the insight in their relationship...messages, witnesses
Barry died with a broken heart
He is in prison where he belongs.
He's out soon! Not long enough for all out murder. An embarrassment for the SA judiciary.
She was gonna dump him, and his trigger-happy gun obsessed grandiose narcsissism would NOT allow that to happen.
respectfullyThat title is infuriating & an insult to Reva and our intelligence. 😞😠
It was straightforward the defence team complicated it... he apparantly shouted to reeva to call 911.. she didnt answer him because he didnt say that.. he shot her thro the door she wld have screamed on the 1st shot so he knew she was in there... and continued to shoot... he is a crazy phsycopath and a child cld spot it in him so i dunno why he got off with murdering that besutiful young lady... how dare he.... apparantly and we have to say allegedly ..he was trigger happy and had fired the gun several times befor out of the open sunroof of a froends car, random shots .. he was wreckless n careless thoughtless.. narcassistic the great i am ...killer dangerous dangerous man...
He is a cold-blooded killer. The person (Reeva) was behind a CLOSED, LOCKED door. So Oscar was never in danger. Even in South Africa this is murder. Poor Reeva, the absolute terror she must have experienced in those moments knowing this arrogant, hot-tempered, murderous bastard was going to kill her! 🤬🤬
And now for the book. "How I killed Riva". He is so guilty, if that had happened to you or me, oh boy we will be put away for a very long time. Not only for a few years as like in his case.. But yeah.....
Rest in peace Riva. May your soul find peace... 😢😢
He knew what he was doing ...he's very naive and needed to grow up ..he was spoilt ...and had it all ...now no one cares about him ...I don't feel he has changed and will be able to integrate into society anymore ....
Oh dear OP, the court is right here, not one person believes your story, it was just so unbelievable. Up to now you still haven't admitted what you did. God will never forgive you, you will spend the rest of your life in dark, guilty Pain and Suffering
está enganado..não conhece as escrituras..não sabe lê a bíblia..quem não sabe perdoar é o ser humano que é raivoso..vingativo..Deus perdoa sim, tanto que fiz que nós devemos perdoar os nossos inimigos..pois é perdoando que se é perdoado..ele ensina o perdão..perdoai os vossos inimigos assim como eu os perdoei..quem se conhecessem a palavra de Deus não falaria essa besteira..não julgueis, para não seres julgados..quem somos nós pecadores pra julgar os outros..vai lê..vai conhecer Deus..a boca fala do que está cheio o coração.
Reeva was and will be the most beautiful person, her beauty, her intelligence, the most beautiful sight I’ve ever seen. She will be always in my mind .
I can relate to that feeling!
I don't think he should have ever been competing amongst non-disabled athletes, he had an advantage surely with his prosthetic limbs
Murder
SAD ....😢
Imagine the unimaginable 🤔🤔🤔 imagine depriving this family their daughter??
10 year old documentary. Murder.
Should be serving a much longer jail term he murdered took a precious life
Murder, premeditated..
I encourage everyone to watch the 30 for 30 docuseries about this case. I did, and I am very torn.
I don’t think there was any evidence that he killed HER specifically on purpose. Ido get the argument that he couldn’t reasonably think that shooting four times into an enclosed space would result in the anything other than killing the person behind the door. But then again, when you believe you’re in danger, who is doing a lot of thinking and considering of consequences? Especially when one is disabled and less capable of getting away… I don’t know…
When it comes down to it, no one can know what he was thinking and no one can predict how they would react if they thought there was an intruder. Unfortunately Reeva can never share her side of the story and verify his experience of the events. But the tragic reality that Reeva is no longer alive alone is not a justification for him to face a harsher sentence than can be proved in court. You have to be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he made a conscious decision to kill someone.
The Supreme Court of Appeals moving away from making it about whether he intended to kill HER specifically, and convicting him of murdering “a person”, was the only way they could get him for murder. That is what people EMOTIONALLY believed he deserved. Not based on the evidence. I’m not sure if I agree with it.
Right now, culpable homicide makes much more sense to me.
But like I said… I’m very torn.
Reeva's dad died from a broken heart 💔.
He LIED his heart out
If it was you in the bathroom, wouldn't you say "it's me in here" when he yelled "get out of my house"? He lost his temper and shot her.
💭 Just the simple fact the REEVA locked the door , speaks volumes about this angry man's guilt 💭
Idk who to believe but I will say this as a person with severe anxiety like Oscar has you are very jumpy to a lot of things. It wouldn’t shock me one bit to think he awoke from a noise in a deep sleep and freaked out. The bathroom was the only window not to have bars on them and his neighbors that lived next door said he was freaking out that he accidentally shot her. Whether it went down the way he said or not I don’t think he intentionally tried to kill her truly. I think either they got into an argument and she locked the door and he tried got into a fit of rage and tried to blasted the door open or he’s telling the truth. Either way it’s a tragic story and sad.
Guilty as charged. He obviously killed her in a moment of rage....it was Valentines day. He never checked to see that she was in bed...he had a gun. Even with no legs he could still defend himself very well..yet he shot through the toilet door 4 times when once would have scared anyone off. GUILT AS CHARGED...
He heard a noise in the bathroom and called out his girlfriend to call the police thats where am confused if he called out n she was in the bathroom why didn't she just say is me am in the bathroom.. so i think he is lying
Agree.
Excellent documentary
Cold bladded killer!
the title of this disrespectful to Reeva family. Carte Blanche did a better job in presenting evidence from experts. this is how the rich gets away
Reeva for sure scream after the first shot, but he keep on shooting at her to the same spot/direction where she was hiding, . Why would the burglar be at a specific place in the toilet ,,why doesnt he shoot to the window but instead to the toilet where she was sitting and screaming.... how would the burglar know where the toilet was while it was that 'pitch' black... when you want to keep you loveone save, then you know exectly where your beloved is, but he could find his weapon very quick...bitchblack or not... he know he is guilty and the world know it to
Jealousy rage an Murderer. Beyond the margin.
Yes he is, you can't buy 💕 Love.
He should rot in jail.
"I believed the burgler was in my toilet," yeah sure. Premeditated cold-blooded killer!