Assassins in 40K 10th Edition Review - Are they Worth It?
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:30 Assassins in 10th Edition
1:55 Vindicare
6:55 Culexus
11:01 Eversor
13:53 Callidus
17:46 Thoughts
19:54 Outro 
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I kindof prefered it when Assassins had the pre-game strat to let you swap which assassin you in your list. Which let you take the more niche assassins if they happened to have a good target
I miss that effect. Maybe if the most expensive assassin had the ability to pregame swap for another one. The flex for a more suitable assassin would be worth the few extra points
I expect they'll get this ability when/if they get a proper Codex. Lots of the index rules are simplified "beta" versions.
They'll need the ability to swap to be included tournament lists.
Oh that's super cool didn't know they had that. Would be a really interesting way to keep tactical squads relevant for tournaments if they could swap out their weapons, very . . tactical.
Of course you preferred that.
I preferred Overwatch when it was a token that allowed you to shoot at anything that came into view.
That sounds cheesy, I can see why they removed that
I'm glad someone else noticed the irony of Knights using a Vindicare for their 'Honorable' quest 😂
Ikr XD I remember seeing that in the rules for Knights and thinking “can’t I just use a Vindicare for that?”
Somebody's gonna have to dirty their hands and it ain't going to be those pompous Knights for sure.
But the Knights actually will never know someone helped them ;P
The Vindicare is worth every point. The others do have their merits too, just a bit overshadowed by the Compensator 5000.
I mean, I'd rather have two squads of exactors over one
mainly because that Potential to one shot *ANY CHARACTER* is crazy, it will take some luck and a bad play but you could very well 1 shot Abaddon, Lion and Guilliman with that, which I'm pretty sure they are the chunkiest Characters out here.
Vindicare is useless against sisters of battle and, I assume, eldar too. Basically two factions which can decide I'll use one of my prerolled dice to save. And since you only have one shot, that's an easy save. At least it eats through faith dice.
@@r0b3rtpass Once per battle the vindicare can just straight up say "no saves" which is great on sister or eldar characters
Litterally the only 2 I'm seeing put in lists is the callidus and sometimes the vindicare
For the vindicare, the battle-shock part seems to be separate from the critical hit bit so I'm pretty sure you battle-shock a hit enemy even if you don't get a critical hit
Correct!
I feel the biggest nerf to assassins in recent time was the removal of the ability that let you exchange your assassins for a different one pre-game; made especially culexus quite good.
I’ve got em all, but vindicaire has been doing work! Rolled double 6’s against the lion the other night!
Daaaaaynum
@@primafacie5029 it was epic, best roll of my warhammer career. It was at the LGS w all the boys around too
@@CalAndAlythe hype must’ve been off the charts 👏🏾
Triple 6'd my first shot of 10th, a shieldbreaker shot, into a Knight. Felt great 😂
Thats some solid bragging rights. Mines been killing a min of 2 characters per game with his record being 4. Glad ive stuck with him through 9th.
I don't mind the Eversor being toned down from the infatry blender that he used to be, but given the importance of battleshock in this edition, I feel it's a missed opportunity to not make it more meaningful in his case - this should be like his main thing. I guess they thought it would make him overlap with the Culexus to a degree, and thus make him the better out the two, but that's a separate issue. The Culexus is in a really weird place now that the psychic phase is virtually gone, and his rules just feel bland and uninspiring.
It would make a lot more sense for him to have the Culexus's rule and for its aura to be -1 to hit for psychic attacks against any target. Would feel more focused for both.
While it is toned down from 9th still, rolling 2 sixes and no misses double your attack to 12 so you could really put the hurt on a 10 man squad and cause battleshick
Culexus should have an Aura that grants *Hazardous* to *ALL* *Psychic* attacks when used when in range.
@@DJCallidus Totally agree🤝
Vindicare is almost good for sheer shock / pain in the ass value. He can easily have all the shots bounce. He can also eliminate multiple characters. Personally he always seems worth it because often enough people will try to avoid his LoS, and that in itself can be extremely value. Had one game where all he got was a single Commissar and some chaff but he kept both Lord Solar and a Primaris Psyker from ever going down into that line of fire. He is kinda like a Primaris Turret but more flexible positioning and a more specific target profile doing that.
But yea, he feels like the most flexible assassin in his safeness / straightforwardness, and probably the best for a take all comers list.
It's a shame Eversore lacks his melta bomb, and that the Culexus doesn't have a 'no psyker' aura anymore, but it kinda makes sense I guess.
The Eversor actually has Deadly Demise D3, probably to represent the bomb
@@shimi3739 oh no it always had that it had a separate melta bomb as well for anti tank but sadly removed
@@icotica921Yeah he was the only guy that could actually *throw* his melta bomb. Took out a Dark Angel dreadnought with that ability. Then he got mashed by Belial.
@@DJCallidus I wiped a grey knight squad by getting max damage with it then going in for melee once
Eversor not getting any/improved Melta bomb is infuriating rules writing decision…! 😢
I'm certainly tempted by the vindicare and callidus in my imp guard. Callidus and kurovs aquila for cp shenanigans
Do it mate. One model, quick as hell to paint!
I brought a Culexus with Hounds of Morkai (with Phobos Lib) to a tourney. 4 of my 5 games didn't have any psykers to go against, and the one that did was Chaos Knights. I felt so clever bringing that combo, but random chance made them better as objective holders than anything else!
Wounding big Knight on 2+ with anti psychic? Its nice one and sounds like really bad experience for Chaos Knight player xd
Not using battle shock as a method to amplify the eversors damage as well as to modify his Inv. save to better reflect his power as a terror assassin, was a seriously missed opportunity. Have a similar mindset towards the Culexus.
Vindicaire is quite Kino though.
Ye, the Culexus in particular is rather wierd.
I mean, in the lore, a Culexus can go "invisible" by using it¡s blank aura to make the mind of non-psykers go "nope! nothing to see here! no skull faced monstrosity in front of me!" while psykers simply recoil in horror.
One would think they would have some sort of dread aura on the tabletop.
@@IsmaelSantos-xv9qf It would be cool if they got something like a 6" lone operative rule and caused hazardous to psychic units in 24" aura
I love the Vindicare in an IG army because my Dawn of War nostalgia always hits hard
The callidus neural shredder is a really interesting weapon, torrent and precision is such a strange combination.
I think of it like the Halo Needler homing ability
@@Dale4cetanu They are described as emitting a electromagnetic wave, that overload the central nervous system and pain receptors of anything in the area.
So you can't even see its shots, just the target suddenly getting seizures and starting to convulse and then die.
Nasty things really.
Will be pretty good at murdering infantry characters. Auto hits and auto wound infantry on 2s with Precision is disgusting.
I love the Vindicare, not only cause I think snipers are badass, but for 80 points, he's a great include in my Imperial Knights to snipe the warlord as fast and easily as I can, which is definetively not a very noble way of doing it, but I don't judge my House's means of Laying Low the Tyrant
As sisters you can get some celestial sacresants with a hospitaller for 5+ FNP or the other leaders that make them tankier, then you can use the "must target this unit in melee" strat on them in conjunction with an Eversor or Callidus so that the assasins get to stay alive for a turn. Not sure if it's worth it but something to consider since you might already be doing that anyway to keep the enemy from targeting repentia. You could also force the enemy to target a mortifier or even the paragon suits if you took them.
Eversor is a fire-and-forget missile that you throw at something and hope he takes his points back, potentially even blow up. At 75 pts he's fine.
Vindicare is solid against most lists.
Culexus has always been in a weird spot given that he either does something or he does nothing depending on the matchup.
Callidus is too expensive for what she does.
I would argue callidus is actually perfect and any lower would be undercosted. Shes not very impressive as an actual assassin though. Her main use is that she can just appear on any objective that isnt held by the opponent, and can cripple some armies who rely on strats. In tourney play she can pop off the field and cover your backline objective or perform an action. If your opponent reroll strats, boom, now he cant again all game unless he pays 2. Even more impactful on certain armies who are going to want to use the same strategems every turn, can make those unaffordable. My buddy has been playing her with his knights and oh man has she saved his butt. its really easy to get either too spread or too concentrated with so few units on the field like knights have, and having the flexibility to drop her in to cover a spot for a bit is an awesome ability.
@@zbway57 I agree with you, Calidus has a very important hability to score a lot of points.
I've had a vindicare do 9 unsaveable wounds to an enemy warlord, kill a rhino, and do 3 rounds of melee and pistol shooting into daemons. Amazing. My eversor got piled into by world eaters, killed no one, survived, then exploded and killed one. He has also survived a full flesh hound charge then wiped the unit in retaliation. Pretty good. I need more data but I've been having a banger of a time with them.
So the potential max damage output for the Vindicare rifle alone on a crtical hit is [(D3 + 3) + 3] = 9 wounds with no saves allowed whatsoever if you also opt for and make the Shieldbreaker ability. Then a battle-shock test 😳
The callidus is a scoring machine. With a vect strat stapled on. She's an auto include for *any* imperium army.
what is a vect strat?
@@tom4115 The callidus ability that increases the cost of a strategem. First appeared in Drukari as the strategem Agents of Vect, has had a couple iterations but the one that was most popular and infamous was the version that allowed you to increase the cost of a strategem the opponent uses by 1CP. Since then people refer to that type of ability as a vect strat.
@@zbway57 ohh, thank you sir
The Eversor actually embodies what the original assassins were- killing your target at the expense of your own life. That was what made them so scary, they were fanatics unafraid to die in order to kill their targets.
The video I was looking for. Yesterday I played my first 10th battle (coming from 7th) I decided to try Callidus first, in a guard (imperial) vs guard (death) battle vs my middle brother.
The callidus was instrumental in helping get side victory no-man-land points. She killed two minor marine characters.
Vindicares are an absolutely PITA to play against - they're an extremely good unit.
I have a Gargoyles unit in my Nidzilla list purely to fly over and harass vindicares when I face them, (which is often) and lock them up for a couple of turns.
This is great. If you have the time, I would love for you to do a video on the other Imperial Agents as well (the units and the Inquisitors), because I only recently took a look at them and found they look really cool, and now I want to conscript some of them into my Imperial armies!
Vindicator is awesome. Managed to rool a 6 to hit on a shieldbraker round and sniped a tau commander warlord. Even without sixes on rolls he is a threat. Especially on somewhat open tables.
The Vindicare is EXCELLENT against guard. Being able to reliably remove those squishy officers to reduce the number of orders is really good.
Love some of the assassins, but ngl miss the stratagem pools they used to have.
Also the eversor no longer being a guarenteed biobomb is what i am honestly saddest about
With the Eversor I wasn't super impressed. He killed 6 Termagants and that was with great rolls. Basically his maximum potential for 75 points could be traded for a cheaper cost and higher OC for something like another Guardsman squad or something.
Was that including the Sustained Hits3 and shooting?
Also, a thing to consider is that his melee is dam2, so could take out space marine models(and other 2 wound models) fairly well in melee, rather than overkilling 1 wound models.
Finally, his free Heroic Intervention each battle round is a nice 1-2 punch option.
Gaunt's is pretty much his worst target against nids. Tyrant Guard/Hive Guard/Genestealers/Biovores/Pyrovores/Warriors/Raveners on the other hand, actually makes use of his anti-infantry 3+ and D2.
Tested the Culexus Assassin today against GKs worked pretty good managed to kill 7 inceptors throughout the game and he stayed alive because of lone operative.
The Vindicare assassin is obviously the best for his pts for the role by far. But the Culexus is great against psykers but that's about it.
Played 40K for just one year back when I was a freshman in high school in 2001. LOVED the Vindicare assassin in my Black Templar army. He's definitely the coolest looking model in the whole Imperium.
The crack cocaine and meth addicted Eversor assassin was good for a laugh when playing unskilled enemies afraid of 1st turn insane charges (that ultimately did nothing for me but was fun nonetheless). An ork friend of mine nicknamed the Eversor assassin "turbo burglar."
Didn't play the Culexus assassin as I'm a bit of a germaphobe and his weird donut head made me physically ill to look at.
Don't remember the Callidus assassin's stats from 20+ years ago but they were NOWHERE NEAR as good as they are now 😳 If I played her now I would pop her Confusion skill on my opponent the first time he used Command Re-roll, ideally early in the game. Now it costs him 2 CP everytime to Command Re-roll for the rest of the game even if the Callidus dies, SERIOUSLY complicating his decision making.
I’m taking a culexus into TSons this week. I want to see some of those sorcerers heads pop 😇
Only just remembered the Plunging Fire rule, which would stack the AP of the Vindicare’s rifle sitting in his little sniper nest to -4.
In an edition that is all about slotting chatacters in every units, a vindicare that can easily snipe them off will always be worth it.
They are absolutely worth it just for the visual standpoint, they look phenomenal xD
I think the Eversor is most useful in Knights.... lets him get onto objectives turn 1 they otherwise couldn't thanks to buildings being in the way, and then he can't be shot at thanks to lone operative so he's great at just holding things.
THEY ARE FUN! Love the Flavour! Thanks for This one!
16:40 That is really Good.
I play assassins in 40k the way they should. I dont put them in my list or count their points. They just show up on the field and one shot Guilliman
Cringe
You got me.
Nice. I hate that Ultra boy scout.
My friend rolled really well with his vindicare and got my screamer killer down to 1 wound first turn lol
can u stack multiple vect abilities e.g Watch Master and the Callidus and or some other unit that can do the same thing just named diffrently
Thank you for covering this!
Vindicare + deathkorps snipers seems a pretty solid way to delete enemy characters early.
figuring the Vindicare could theoretically one shot any Character (Lion/Abaddon/Guilliman have 9 wounds total) plus extra snipers could very well do that.
My Vindicare used his shieldbreaker bullet to crack five wounds off Trajann Valoris in turn 1, then turn 2 I overwatched when he got even closer and managed to roll two sixes in a row for dev wounds; he got absolutely murdered by the Custodes Guard attached to Trajann immediately afterwards but being able to take out 160 points of warlord with 80 points of assassin is a trade I'd make any day :)
I'm planning on running a callidus in a DA list with the lion just to double down on strategem control. Nothing like making them pay 3CP for a strat that doesn't even go off.
Honestly, if the Culexus forced all psykers to be battle shocked (no test, just shocked) within 12" and turned off psychic within 6" it would be much more useful.
I mean.. if it did 109 mortal wounds to every target within 60” it would be useful too. The real task is making a balanced unit
You missed the greatest point in the use of Culexus Assassins. If there is a [Psyker] character included in a bodyguard unit, the WHOLE bodyguard unit is treated as psykers, therefore the anti-psyker would apply to them. This makes the Culexus an invaluable modell against psyker-heavy character lists, like aeldari, Tsons, or even marines with libras.
I love to run Vindicare in knights. It fills the one gap they have with characters
My vindicare blew Trajann's head off last weekend... Sheildbreaker round hitting on a 6...was beautiful
So in regards to the Overwatch thing...my thought is as it is currently it has an odd ball quirk with these double up abilities.
So we establish that the heirarchy of rules is as such: BRB
Other stratagems can also, normally, only be used once per phase. If you have used Tank Shock in the phase, you cant use it again in the same phase.
The overwatch rules states "once per turn" because it can be used in either the opponent's movement phase or charge phase. So under normal circumstances, you only get to use it in either one or the other. That is what the "once per turn" refers to(99% sure of it).
Still upset I can't run all 4, loved doing the execution force
(even though there's no official support for it) just play 4000 points :D
From what I've seen with list it feels like snipers are a bit under used for their cost and effects.
There is always a tiny small small but existant chance for the eversor to do 36 wounds in one round of melee
Thanks for the video
"He would just be throwing smoke for his own amusement"
I'm totally throwing a smoke grenade after assassinating a warlord 🤣
I had a friend use the callidus strat on cp reroll so doing it again would cost too much.
Thanks!
I have caused chaos and confusion with a Vindicare in my Deathwatch army. Your only question should be, do you want to one shot your enemy's leaders moment they are visible? and that answer should be always yes. Though, your opponents will probably have a massive shit fit afterwards, I had a match week ago where my Vindicare took out 2 Exalted Sorcerers and Ahriman in 3 turns.
The last time I ran a Vindicare with my Ad-Mech he diligently rolled 1s to hit 😂
I finally got my hands on an u opened Callidus
Auspex tactics - he who never sleeps
My Vindicare one tapped azareal off the board turn 1 and now he remains on my black Templar list
I miss the Execution Force Vanguard Detachment.
vindicare is basically crosshair on crack and i love it
Good to know
Yes
I use the eversor because I am already using the vindicare and have 80 pts free in custodes. So its eversor or 2 squads of presecutors, and the eversor seems harder to kill
Thank you
So it's only 1 per 1000pts? I wanted to run all 4. Does that mean in a 1200pt game you could use 2
Man if only I could FIND A VINDICARE ANYWHERE
Will we get a Inquisitor one next??
Vindicare IMO is a bit swingy. I had a game where I rolled three sixes against a castellan IK and took out the last wounds (epic moment), and in the next game I rolled a 1 to hit with one shot and a 2 to wound the following turn doing absolutely nothing. Callidus is more reliable, on a tournament messing with the opponent's CP is insane, just the psychological effect makes the opponent think twice if it's the right moment to use a stratagem
Vindicares pistol
So if you roll 3 6s to hit
3 6s to wound
Wouldn't that be 18 damage with devo wounds?
So he could 1 shot a tank or a dread naught ?
Too bad they don't get the Acts of Faith keyword in a Sororitas army. Getting to substitute an automatic 6 on some of those key rolls would be pretty sweet 😄
Eddy the Eversor is my favorite for ever
Thanks,
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What has happened to the Deathcult assassin's. Do they still have rule's.???
I miss running triple vindicare
Can they be taken in votann army now?
so vindicare can shoot for 5 turns without being shot back if you leave him in your spawn area
2k points Knights + Vindicare & Callidus = Assassinorum Kingmaker
For us xenos, the Firesight team is well worth taking, and fulfills a similar role to the Vindicare...but we can take three of them at 70 pts per team. (finally they're worth taking...they've been rubbish since 4th Ed)
Auspex out here reading my mind. I love the hobby side of this amazing IP and play very little but I was just wondering if these "really cool dudes" were worth their weight in salt on the table.
The Vindacar rocks
Culexus is good against eldar wraith guard with spirit seer attached have psycher key word
I took a vindicare thinking “he’s gonna snipe generic captains and that’s it”. The first game I used him in he stared down Abaddon and hit him with 7 wounds. He had to be weekend and Bernies’d around for the rest of the game and now I take my lil sniper in every army
Though I do love snipers so I end up taking ravenguard and nestling him in with my scout snipers and eliminators.
Since Kurov’s Aquila and similar enhancements cost 40 points, you’re essentially paying 75 for the Callidus’ combat profile. That seems fair. Seems a bit better at assassinating than the Eversor with the redeploying options but a bit worse in combat.
Yeah, I see the Eversor more as a "threatening presence" that lurks around your battle lines. If someone charges one of your units, and it is nearby, you can get a free Heroic Intervention off and get some "Fights First" attacks on the unit.
Or if a weakened unit tries to get out of bad situation, the Eversor can quickly close in and finish them off.
What happened to Execution Force in 10th? Still valid or not?
The vidacare definitely worth it man
Just blanked out for 2 hours and somehow a full set of imperial assassins ended up in my room and my bank account had 100 pounds missing
The Vindicare is worth it just for the battleshock tbh.
Vindicare for the win 🏆
I play knight and run both vindicare with eversor running interference
I dunno, sticking an Eversor and 20 Kasrkin in a scout moving Doomhammer seems hilarious to me.
hmm...they dont hit as hard, but even against someone like abaddon a ratling sniper team still looks like it will average a hit or two (and do 2 damage) while the vindicare is only going to connect half his shots or less on average and softer targets just look to lean more toward the squad...yes the vindicare looks like he has a chance to take things over the top but i think i prefer consistency. might have to stick to the ratboys...
Eversor in Custodes is pretty good
He can chew up some trash infantry and free up bananas to take down more important stuff.
I think an Inquisitor is usually better though, for the Deny and the anti-overwatch power.
I miss the Terminator Armor Malleus guy, he was tough enough to hang with them and not explode.
Vindicare not so good, Custodes really don't need help butchering HQ, usually.
Callidus + bjorn is kinda interesting...
The Vindicare feels a bit cheap for the potential he has - especially considering how many different armies can make use of the assassins. Maybe I'm just bitter than the GSC's Sanctus sniper is so obviously worse for only 30 points less.
Callidus is undercosted by 100 points
The callidus is definitely worth it
Everyone plays the sniper. That guy is nasty
Always because the models alone have so much homebrew potential.