Explaining the NEW 2020 RUPES polishing system!
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- RUPES has just released a totally new D/A polishing system for 2020, and ESOTERIC breaks down the details on what is new and different.
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I follow a LOT of detailing channels on RUclips. Found this one less than a week ago and it's already one of my "go-to" channels. Short, precise and informative videos! THANK YOU!
Thank you, and glad you found us!
Designed for the D/A systems but I use the Flex VRG Forced Rotation and this stuff is the absolute BOMB in terms of efficiency with my polisher
It is okay sir to use rotary ?please help me
Awesome....thanks Todd for another excellent video!
Finally a straight forward system for the DIY'r that just loves to polish and finish for the most part, but typically doesn't have 20 years of experience on every type of paint finish and the same level of knowledge of pads and polishes that the pros would have from their broad band of experience. Now all we have to do is pick a pad and product. Thank you both, Rupes and Esoteric!
It runs the gamut of extreme cutting to super fine finishing in just three liquids.
Not perfect. The Coarse can get dusty. But the level of defect removal is striking. The Fine cam also get dusty and exhibit M205 characteristic of sticking to the paint, but will cut like a medium, and finish like a fine. Think Menzerna 2500. The Pure can also stick to some paints, but the finish is like nothing I've experienced.
@@danlc95 Thank you so much. I have ordered the whole system with the Mille.
@@nicksdragon6929 how do you like it? Might be doing the same.
@@whitegoodman7465 I use the system daily in my shop. I have never encountered a paint correction that this set can't finish beautifully. The Mille is my go to machine and the blue and gold wool pads are unbeatable. Love Rupes.
You think the lhr 15 price tag is worth it for a hobbyist who uses it a few times a year?@@nicksdragon6929
Semi impressed so far. I like the yellow and white pads, not a fan of the blue. I like the Rupes blue and yellow wool. I’ve used the DA Fine polish a good amount and I like it. The DA coarse blue dusted quite a bit, and the one time I tried uno pure/white pad on my soft black test hood and it didn’t finish well. So, I only have a good amount of experience with DA fine, so take my comments with a grain of salt. 😃
Love how most of your vids are around 5-7 minutes. Getting straight to the point 🤘
Thanks...glad you like them!
I have heard of shops using UNO as a jeweling polish before coating..
Todd I think that would be a great video on why or why not to use a polish such as uno before Coating!
If somebody is referring to "jeweling" as a potentially third step after polishing, then they're doing something wrong in the polishing stage. If your system, products, and techniques are solid, then an extra polishing step should not increase the looks of the finish. As for the topic of polishing prior to coating, we have done a video on that subject.
Good refresh for 2020 i mostly used yellow in the past only on soft or/and black paint i used white pads. I really like the new shape of the pad! But for compund im gonna stay with my menzerna and sonax products.
Just received Uno Protect and Rupes Yellow wool. Ill be trying it out next week. Thanks for the continued videos. Love them
Thanks for the order. We have a video on the Uno Protect launching this next week.
U should try Koch Chemie compounds and polishes.
We have before...
@@Esotericdetail what is your ipinion about their products? The heavy cutting compound is really liquad but great cutting power. The M3.02 has a really nice finish.
@@A_MT09SP We thought they were decent, but nothing stood out as must-haves, or items that would replace our reference products.
Koch Chemie Heavy Cut H9.01 is waaay better then Rupes Coarse/Gyeon Heavy, because of higher cutting power and really LOW to none dusting, incredible. 10/10. I do love Scholl system too.
I use Rupes and my 2014 AMG still looks brand new.
Are you doing One Step (AIO)? What kind of pads have you been using?
Thanks for another informative video, Todd!
Can you comment whether you think the D-A Fine has potential to replace Sonax Perfect Finish for your one-step process?
Will you transition to the new pad design (yellow, for this specific question)??
I thought the same thing! Is the D-A Fine/yellow pad the new one-step go-to?
Thanks. These new pads are completely replacing the old ones, so yes...we will incorporate the new yellow ones into our one-step process. It's not really fair to do a direct comparison between the two polishes as there is a 40% difference in price.
ESOTERIC thanks for the reply. In reference to the 40% price difference... to quote donut media “does more expensive mean more better?”.
@@ajr5195 It does, but as with most things, 40% price difference doesn't mean 40% better!
Alex R this system is NOT the end all, be all. I have all the components and have not been blown away. Not to say I haven’t liked it, but I won’t be throwing away my other polishes.
Hi, does the DA Fine polish contain fillers? Is it a good step prior to Gyeon Synchro ceramic coating for a near new white vehicle? Or would you say run with a Menzerna 3500 with the yellow Rupes pad instead? Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Rupes polish or Sonax perfect finish on a LHR21 III with a stage 1 yellow foam pad?
Only a test section or two can answer that for you! Both would work great, but depending on the paint, the condition, and the level you are going for, you may you find one more preferable than the other on that particular car.
Great video Todd is as informative as always!
Thanks for watching!
Top channel and no nonsense... Subscribed. Thank you,
Welcome aboard!
@@Esotericdetail my pleasure.....😀😀
hello. Tomorrow am starting to work on black BMW f10.Guy wants to polishing, your recommendations which color to use of compound and which pad?
Thank you on your time and videos,they are so helpful...
You always want to start with a test section or two to see what is going to work best relative to the amount of correction you have agreed to with the customer. Thank you.
Thank you for your advice, appreciate it@@Esotericdetail 🙏👍😉
Great video Todd. Have you had a chance to play with the LC UDOS 51E? I know the old saying, if it ain’t broke but still thought id ask 😛
Sorry, but haven't heard of what you are referring to.
Informative and straight to the point
That's how we like to do it! Thank you...
Do these polishes dust a lot? As bad as Meguiar's M105?
Also, I just purchased a new Ford Edge ST. Since it's new and the paint has very few imperfections, should I go straight to Uno Pure with a Rupes white pad to bring out some gloss before a protectant is applied, or are the fine polish with yellow pad usually needed before using Uno Pure?
Hardly any dust at all. Your test section will tell you exactly what you need to do.
Blue compound dusts.
did you know if the Rupes DA Fine have filler?
Not that I am aware of...
Todd, am I following you correctly? It seems the steps are Gyeon Wash, Gyeon Iron, Tar (for chem decon), followed by 1 step polishing with Rupes and Sonax perfect finish? Could I or should I apply PA Spray Sealant or PA Rapid wax after? Or would it be better to apply a wax that isn’t a spray? Thank you.
I dont feel the need to create a new system - it seems yours is great. I have no problem copying and giving you the credit!!! That’s the old saying right “If it ain’t broke, dont fix it.”
That's all good, and remember Tar is only as necessary. The protection you apply is all personal preference, so any of those products / methods are great. Thanks!
@@Esotericdetail awesome! Thank you so much. Could i email you and purchase an hour of your time to have other questions answered? It doesn’t feel right asking you more questions on here once you have already answered and went through the trouble of making a video.
I have more questioned centered around what all is contained in a good / better / best option. I have never used a rupes or a forced rotary. Never done any polishing at all so i was hoping to do just a really good wash with great products and great waxes with applicator pads.
Would love to purchase hour of your time to help me simplify and gain guidance.
@@JeLifeCoach Give me a shout!
The blue pad is not my favorite. It is made with large pores and it doesn’t have the bite I thought it will have. Don’t get this blue pad go instead with Lake Country blue pads, a lot better.
Or if you need that heavy of a cut, the Rupes wool pads are going to give you a great combination of cut and finish.
That's weird. I don't find the lc blue to have any bite. They're really dense, and hold that abrasive to the surface, but really smooth.
The coarse Rupes pads have good bite for me.
Granted, it did take some time to get used to how rigid they were, but after warming up the foam a little, it got easier.
So can you use it like a three step?
No need for a 3-step! With this, you simply have some options on the finishing side.
I really want to purchase a Rupes kit and not sure what to purchase. Help me out please?
You can find a lot of useful information / videos on our website to help you with your decision. If you still have questions, you can contact our customer service to help you through the process. www.esotericcarcare.com
For some more cut, could I use a blue with yellow polish?
Sure play around with it
What about a new Ram pickup? Would it be a good idea to polish before ceramic coating, and if so what should I use? Thank you!
are they doing the new pads for the ibrid do you know?
If so, we have not been made aware of them as of yet.
How does the fine polish compare to perfect finish or menzerna SF3500? What about the coarse compound compared to menzerna heavy cut 400 or Jescar correction compound? Looking to stock up on new compounds and polishes and these look very compelling.
This would be good to know
The fine seems to have greater cutting potential than 3500.
Coarse is probably closer to 400 than Jescar. Jescar is incredible.
@@danlc95 Thanks for the information. Does fine provide the same gloss and finish as 3500? I really enjoy it as a finish polish but its not bad as a one step either when paired with an aggressive pad.
@@eliteowner121 - I think 3500 finishes down better. DA Fine sort of resembles 2500.
In general I prefer the 400, 2500, 3500 set up though.
@@danlc95 thanks for the easy comparisons. I’ve been using the 400-3500 combo for ages. Just recently switched to using Griot’s FCC instead of 400 after a few months of testing. Wipes off easier and working time is extremely long. I don’t think I’ll switch away from using 3500 though as the minor cut and really nice finish it provides is great. Have you tried perfect finish to compare to 2500/3500/3800 by chance?
Hello. Are the da pads the same with bf pads? Or are they specific for the bigfoot only? Thanks
They can be used on any DA machine...
It's ok to put a 15" backing plate on the 21 rupes
👍 thank you
Thanks for sharing this!
Can i remove swirls with Rupes Fine polish and yellow pad? I will be working on red mercedes that doesn't have much clear coat left
Unfortunately, you won't know until you try! I'm sure it will do a great job on the fine defects, but maybe not the medium-level swirls and scratches. A test spot or two is the best way to determine what will work best depending on the level of correction you are ultimately going for.
If you use the coarse compound whats best for finishing a 2stage process? Yellow or white..?
Thanks
Depends, and your test section will ultimately tell you what you need on that particular car, on that particular day. Having said that, we're using yellow on most applications except for the softest of paints.
Nothing ever will cut as a rotary and wool pad . Cut means shine
This is lazy polish !!!
I can assume by this statement that you've never taken the time to learn proper DA systems, nor have you done exhaustive testing with a DOI meter that takes subjectivity completely out of the question.
Awsome video as always Todd, have a question for you. For 1 step with a bit more defects, yellow, Uno Protect with a Rupes Wool pad? or yellow compound with a Rupes Wool? I've heard the Rupes Wool have good cut and finish great. I like the added protection in the Uno but I can't find how it compares to the yellow compound when you use it with 1 of the Rupes Wool pads.
The only way to know for sure is to try them side by side. The answer is really going to depend on the paint you're working on that particular day, and the level you ultimately want to go for.
Thanks for another good video!
Question: I can see that the white one is a no need for me but I can see myself using both the blue foam and the yellow.
You talked about that in 90% you only need a compound for cutting and one for finish. But how about the pads. The blue cuts but not like wool or MF. If I have a harder paint and want to use DA coarse gel and DA coarse fine compound with a cutting pad and a finishing pad what are a good choice?
Rupes Yellow wool and DA gel coarse
Yellow pad and DA gel fine?
What do you use for sort of cutting pad? Rupes wool yellow/blue? Lake country microfiber?
It just depends on the paint and the situation you're dealing with. If the blue foam pad doesn't give you the cut you want, then step down to either a yellow or blue Rupes wool pad to see if that gets you the results you're looking for. Once you find that, then you try your normal finishing process (yellow pad and polish, for instance) to verify that will get you the finishing results. I hope this helps.
Which floor power Jack scissor system are you using there in your shop. Great tutorial, looking forward to trying the products and pads next year hopefully. Thank you.👍👍🇨🇦
Thank you. We use Nussbaum lifts.
Very good video thank you one question how can you tell that you are working with so-called soft paint thank you
Test spot
That is what is great with them they have always been color coordinated Rupes
5" backing plate
Hey Todd, have you got to test these products? How do you like them personally? How do you like DA Fine with the new pad vs’s Sonax Perfect finish + the old style pad? I’m interested in a better compound (3D One just doesn’t cut it for me....haha puns) and I want to keep to a system that works. So I’m looking at either Sonax Cutmax + Perfect finish, or just swapping to the new Rupes system.
Yes, I test all products before releasing any videos. I think they are all very solid products, and they will be quite popular as a result. As I've stated elsewhere, it's not fair to do a direct comparison on products that are separated by a 40% difference in pricing, as the premium product should be the higher performing of the two. But the difference isn't huge, and not everybody wants to pay premium pricing for a little more performance. The new Rupes polishes come in smaller sizes, so it's easy to try them out without making a huge commitment.
I love all the Rupes wool and foam pads. I think the new DA Fine polish is awesome. New coarse compound cuts very well, but the finish isn't anything special. Pure is nice, but I have have other polishes that finish better on soft black paint. Then again, I need to try the new Rupes polishes more before coming to a final conclusion. Have I been blown away? No. Are they worth trying? Absolutely.
Ice video guys! How the dusting with this stuff?
Thanks...dusting is minimal.
Great video Todd! What lift do you guys use in the shop? Thanks!
sorry seen the answer in the comment!
May I ask a few questions:
I'm using the Rupes LHR15Mk III which I like for a number of reasons. That together with their now "old" system with 4 finishes: blue, green, yellow and white.
So, using these I have a very fine control over what is happening to the paint. If Rupes now makes that system obsolete, and changes it's program to just 3 steps max, there is logically less user input control and more cut and polish control to work with. A cut or a polish that does not alter itself as much, will in my humble view always make me in control, where as using a cut or polish that alters more as it works on the pad ad paint, gives less control and demands more attention from the user. With the old system I can chose a cut that is niot as harsh (green) and work the surface over, even locally. With the new blue that as you explained it, expands it's working range, I may risk having to be too abrasive, therefore making more tests, spending more time etc. etc.
If the real goal from Rupes with this new program, dropping the green range, is to cut time and make users make moremoney in shorter time (let's be honest here), it seems a bit contraproductive to me at least, to have to make more tests etc. Of course there's agreat deal of experience in it, but I am sure Rupes chose their "old" 4-step program for a number of reasons.
So, could you elaborate a bit on the factors in play here?
To say it straight, I am certainly not cenvinced of Rupes new system of only 3 steps with a varying cutting ability, compared to their old program of 4 more controllable steps.
I feel it's a bit of a step backwards for the sake of gaining some other parameters like time saving, expense saving etc.
While that is probably very relevant to customers of ordinary every day use cars and those who does the job polishing them, fair enough, it's not relevant to customers who want a perfect job where money is not an object on their expensive old original paint job cars. So this new Rupes program seems to suit the ordinary cars better, and the expensive rare cars less. What is your take on that?
So what to do?
Kind regards.
I've been using the old system since 2015 - on and off with other products I have. But since 2017, I used the old system significantly more than the others.
Since this August I've been using the new liquids on the original pads (blue and yellow microfiber, yellow and white foams).
Coarse: the new product cuts faster and cleaner. Stays wet longer - if needed. Less prone to dusting, and wipes off much, much easier. The new product can be shot cycled if necessary. I've not yet tried this on foam. Original blue Microfiber only.
Fine: Very similar to Keramik in cut to finish. Thinner viscosity than Keramik, doesn't stain pads grey. Smoother buffing feel under the pad. Easier wipe off. When I first got the system it was just Zephir, Keramik, blue and yellow microfiber pads, and yellow foam pads. I used Keramik with yellow microfiber for one step polishing, where one might typically use Quarz/green foam pad. When I got Quarz I found that it worked great on both the green and yellow foam. Using the new DA Fine on the blue foam, or yellow wool might be able to fill the gap Quarz / Green foam leaves behind?
Uno Pure: Much better user experience all around. Where Diamond was sort of sticky in application and resistant in wipe off, Uno Pure is super smooth under the pad in application, and incredibly easy to wipe clean from the surface. The finish it leaves is incredible. Better than Diamond. Uno Pure, Menzerna SF4000, and 3D ACA520 (no particular order) are the only polishes that blew my mind.
I don't work in the production environment. In my own business from home, I just want the best results. Where I and hired to perform paint corrections, the owner of the establishment, like me - wants 100% sheer perfection. We regularly have McLaren, Maserati, Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, etc, etc coming through the door for film, tint, paint correction and coatings. They have the old system there, but he is looking to switch to the new system. Rest assured that overall, the new system is good. It might take some getting used to, but well worth the time spent.
@@danlc95 Thank you for the detailed description. I will for sure try the new ultra fine (white) pad and polish. Probably also the yellow. I am having trouble with the desigh of the glue one, that seems more coarse than the old one. Exactly not what I want. And since the green is now gone from their program, there is a gap to the yellow.
I prefer working with foam pads. But that is just me.
Thanks.
@@monzarace - I also prefer foam when I can get away with it, but I've been surprised with their new wool. Much easier to deal with than the microfiber.
In some countries you can get the original liquids in the 5L size. I considered doing this prior to the release of the new line. I still might, just in case.
There were other things I loved about the originals, and that was the scent of Zephir and Keramik.
Hi Todd I followed your advice and use a yellow of for an all in one or use a similar product like sonax I use koch chemie. However sometime I use the yellow pad as my all in one out use it also as for finishing off instead of a white pad.
Yes, the yellow pad most of the time is the perfect finishing pad as well as a one-step pad!
ESOTERIC thank you. I hope you understand how useful your videos are. Getting in to detailing is a minefield ,some many methods and products. You keep straight and simple. If it’s good enough for you it’s definitely good enough for me. Thanks guys.
Do you know if yellow stains trim?
Any polish can potentially stain plastic trim if you hit it right, which is why we always tape them up regardless of the level of polishing.
Can I use this with a rotary?
You would probably be fine, however they do have a system designed specifically for rotary use.
Do you recommend putting a 5 inch backing plate on a 21mm?
We run all of our 21's in the shop with the 5" backing plate...
I've thought about it, rupes has mentioned it can add more vibration and damage. Any issues? Thanks for the quick response and great info in your videos
@@Esotericdetail Rupes is HEAVILY against this. I don't agree with it, but can understand why.
Todd what ceramic coating do you recommend for a black car
We like 2 coats of Miyabi Coat from KAMIKAZE-Collection for pure black cars.
@@Esotericdetail thanks
Comercial comercial
Exactly...this is the announcement of their new system, not individual product reviews as they come online later.
Where’s the second part???
Sorry, don't follow the question...
Hi. Do you know how Uno Pure compares to Menzerna SF3500? There doesn't seem to be much information on Pure out there yet. I can't even find if it's SMAT, DAT or a combination. Do you know if Uno Pure has more / less cut than SF3500 or how it finishes out on dark soft paints compared to SF3500? I've been doing M105 followed M205 / Ultimate Polish followed by SF3500.
I haven't done a direct comparison on it. As for the make-up, does the makeup of the abrasives really matter in the grand scheme of things? I ask this because for us, we could care less about the type of abrasives it has...we only care with how it works. Also, a 3-step is totally unnecessary 99% of the time! 2-steps are where it's at, and it will save you time, money, and effort.
ESOTERIC Thank you for the information. In my (in?) experience I have found that the makeup does make a difference for me. I can get a more uniform finish with a SMAT product. And I can go back over an area to refine it and not have to spend the time working it until it breaks down to finish it. So the type of abrasive does affect how it works for me thus making it important. That said, I really like how the SF3500 finishes out but not that I can't just touch it up. You have to run it long enough to break it down in my experience. And thanks for the advice on doing two instead of three steps. If I can find out if the Uno Pure is SMAT or DAT maybe I'll try it as a second / final step. Thanks again for your time!
From what I've heard, Rupes polishes are SMAT.
@@qwikss4469 SMAT is a term by Meguiar's!
@@Ryan_H22 Your break-down cycle is the same, regardless of the abrasive. 2 passes left and right, 2 passes up and down, and you're done. Whether a diminishing abrasive, or a non-diminishing abrasive, our process is exactly the same. One doesn't have a time advantage, and one doesn't have a performance advantage.
Great video, as always very professional love it!
How about green
Sorry, I don't understand the question...
@@Esotericdetail the green color coated polish
@@187silosps I'm pretty sure that they discontinued all of their other polishes to keep it simple.
Gone.
As Todd explained that the cut to finish range was increased, which made Quarz redundant.
Tried the line up tonight, sonax n yellow pad is still the king of the one step! Forgot to say the new yellow is actually even better, couldnt beleive it!
The new yellow pad is even better?
@@qwikss4469 Yeah , couldnt believe it myself till i tried it
Todd does your shop use the Sonax perfect finish or the yellow Rupes. I’m interested in purchasing one of the DIY kits and would like the best product. Thanks for all the great videos.
Thank you. We mostly use the Perfect Finish as it has a larger range of correction. It is however, about twice the price!
What would be least aggressive with a white pad, rupes uno pure or micro finish polish Jescar
That's a coin toss!
@@Esotericdetail okay thanks so they are about the same