The old 30-06 will do it all for me I have researched it from all angles and it it is a great cartridge just learn your gun and practice and know your gun
Great episode Ron. Thank you! The .257 Robert’s is a wonderful cartridge for game up to white tails. It’s amazing how those old ballistic pioneers (like Ned Robert’s, Whelen, Kilburn, etc) did so much with the primitive tools they had back in the day. I like the new cartridges, but I truly admire and respect all the great old classic cartridges.
That would be a good one. Plus an add on to your idea would be what if they could do a 35 rem +p. They do it with 45/70 and other old cartridges, and also considering modern rifles taking higher pressures I think that would be something neat.
The numbers show that the energy of 30-30 in 170grn vs 200 grn 35 rem even out at 50 yards (in factory loads) and from then on the 30-30 holds more energy. At the muzzle there's under 100 ft lbs difference of energy between the two. The numbers and trajectory favor the 30-30. A slightly bigger hole isn't enough difference to make a difference. The argument could be made that hand loading the 35 really makes its potential shine.... but the same can be said for the 30-30.
It's a shame the 25's are on their way out. 250 Sav, 257 Rob are all but gone. The 257 Wby, small little following, just like the 25-06. The 25 WSSM never seemed to get out of the gate. Don't forget the 25-20 or 25-30. All great little numbers, that punch well above their weight class. Sadly the quarter bores on it's way out.
@@jk-kr8jt Quarterbore is having a resurgence in precision rifles with the new Berger 135gr. .25x47 Lapua and .25 Creedmoor are very impressive. .25 WSSM is the most interesting of all the WSSMs, especially if you chamber for 2.500" COL with these long VLDs.
Thanks for the great show as always, Ron. 2nd chance cartridges sounds like a fantastic subject for an entire episode. Second chance rifle models, as well.
Even though I am old I love the new cartridges. I own 204 Ruger, 223, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 CM and 260 Rem. But I especially enjoy shooting my 220 Swift, crazy fast and accurate! Goes all the way back to 1935, hard to find ammo but can still get brass.
Cherish that old 220 Swift Randall! I’d love to own one. I have a ‘80s vintage Steyr SL in .222 REM Mag. Great old cartridge and a beautiful rifle. I’d love it even more in .220 Swift!
Thanks Ron my pick was the 6mm Remington since that is what I started out with for deer. My Uncle sold that gun to my father for me to deer hunt with. He built the gun for ground hog hunting in TN. It is a Mauser 98 action and he had hand carved the stock himself. I'm kind of partial to that gun and the caliber. Thanks again.
The 25 caliber cartridge is a much more effective hunting cartridge for deer sized game than the 6mm and specially with the casings and powders and bullets and barrels to day that can be made for your old rifles or new ones in 25 caliber and actions also.kimber made a nice little rifle in 257 Roberts that will shoot + P loades
I agree with you 100%. The 6mm Remington is the best deer rifle/ cartridge out there. It is the same case as the 7x57 Mauser and 257 Roberts, necked down to 6mm. It is my preference over the 243 Winchester. Same bullet, but the 6mm Rem. can push it faster than the 243 Win. My 6mm is an old Remington 700 BDL from the 1960's and still shoots sub MOA. I've taken whitetail, mule deer, antelope and even a couple of wild boar with this rifle, not to mention the thousands of whistle pigs! It is a real pity that no one currently chambers for the 6mm Remington.
@@steveschott645 It is a pity that is is not chambered for. My local gun store has three Ruger Americans in three different cartridges - the 7mm-08, 308, and 243. It'd be really nice if Ruger would chamber one in the 6mm Remington cartridge.
15:16 Great job Ron! I teach hunter’s education and teaching kids the difference between non-hunters and anti-hunters is part of my job. Your excellent and thorough answer to this question demonstrates the winsome and thoughtful response needed when answering critics of hunting whether they be the “non” or “anti” variety. Thanks!
I've always thought that the 250 Ackley improved was a superb cartridge betrayed by the fact that most of the barrels in 25 caliber were too slow twist for heavier bullets
Friend, I definitely agree with you, this Savage classic is too good to die! The Charles Newton cartridges were ahead of their time! With modern powders, bullets and rifles, I'm sure plenty of shooters would appreciate it's capabilities! Always wished I had grabbed one of the little 99s with the straight stock and Schnabel forehead! 20/20 hindsight! Blsgs, gg
@@Gerald-do9ygI have the Savage Model 99G (take down model) in .30-30 from 1937. Love that old rifle…super nice to grab for quick walk in the woods. Light and handy.
@@j.kellywilkerson540 Lucky you friend! Passed on one of those back in the day also, when I was young and dumb and there was no internet driving the prices up! Enjoy that fine rifle, Blsgs, gg
Agree, it's a shame the 358 win. is not more popular. It's perfect for most hunting, and the 308 case is always around. And it will kill anything in N. America.
Thank you for speaking up about conservation. If we want to enjoy being out in nature, then we should do our part to help preserve it. Everyone needs to take a little bit of personal responsibility.
Definitely, Geoff. And I'll up your ante to "everyone needs to do a lot," because the need is great. We are losing about 1.3 million acres of farmland each year. How many pheasants, quail, rabbits, grouse, deer, etc. could live on 1.3 million acres?!
What rifle do I swear by Remington 700 or Model 70. I don’t eat Varmints ! What Cartridge needs to come back ! 6mm Rem, .257 Robert’s, .260 Rem, .280 Rem. & all should be more popular. Ron you need to try Reloader 26 in your 6mm Rem with a faster twist barrel. Nice Podcast.
I really did enjoy your intelligent and logical discussions about hunting game animals, non game animals and copper vs lead bullets. I am a hunter who now uses copper bullets because of their superior performance on deer and elk. We need to be concerned about what the general public and anti-hunters think about hunters and their actions. If we have too many non hunters rise up against us because of our actions. Hunting will cease to exist as we know it. Keep up the good work.
My dad's first rifle was a Rem 722 in .244 Rem. Given that and that he had reloading dies for it, my first rifle was a Rem 788 in 6mm. His opinion of why the .243 won out was the combination of the twist and the fact that you could get the .243 in Winchester's model 70 as a really nice looking rifle whereas the .244 came in only the Rem 722. The 722 was a very accurate platform, but was as pretty to look at as a fence post. I had that old 722 for a while to see what I could do with it hand loading. We always used Sierra's 85 gr hpbt bullets over IMR 4350. The load that I settled on gave me 3/8" groups at 100 yds out of this 1950's vintage rifle! My 788 can do almost as well.
What about the 7mm Mauser? people overlook that cartridge all the time and it is a fantastic round perfect for deer size game, Ballistic excellence in .284, that and its combined low recoil, I find it is hard to argue about. also a person could also varment hunt with the lighter frangible bullets available,, handcrafted (Hand loaded) ammunition would really bring out the performance in that varment area of need. don't get me wrong, the 257 Roberts is a good round and has been used for hunting species of North American game from Elk to Bear, Moose to woodchucks, Rockchuckers to Foxes. However, shot placement is the key factor when using any of these two. -Dave
7mm mauser... if you handload you can safely far exceed the performance of factory loads. Pressure for factory is loaded to the turn of the century (1900) pressure levels (as is the 9 x 19, without +P available for the 7mm). I really like the cartridge, low recoil decent ballistics.
So ist is. Here in Germany most of our Grandfathers used 7x57 with or without „R“ in bolt action rifles, combination guns or drillings. Today modern cartridges perform much better. 7mm Mauser 3 Band Classic: Vo (muzzle) 3100 ft/sec, Eo 2000ftpds.
The 7mm Mauser IMHO will hold its own against any of the new whizz bang calibers , and even beat a few of them......I hand load a 175 grain round nose and have never needed more punch ...It's pretty easy on my old shoulder also .
7mm Mauser is very popular, just not in the United States. America is kind of a 'cart-before-the-horse' kind of place in that we readily allow lots of civilian gun ownership of military rifles. We build the guns we want and then decide what to feed them. It's no accident that lots of newer cartridges like the .204 Ruger, .224 Valkyrie, 6.8SPC, 6.5 Grendel and .300 Blackout will fit inside a STANAG magazine. The AR-15 is a very modular rifle which means that you can do all sorts of things to it from having a super short suppressed carbine, to a 24" barreled long range hunter that will take anything from prairie dogs to nasty Texas hogs. Before the AR-15, America had the .30-06 and its shortened offspring, the .308 Win. Both of which use the same ~12mm case head diameter as the 8mm and 7mm Mauser cartridges. Not surprising as the 1903 Springfield was a Mauser action. So, Americans took what was handy and iterated on it. It started with long actions that could run the very long .30-06 rounds which quickly became the .270 Win, the 35 Whelen, later we got the 25-06. When .308 came along and people realized you could get serious hunting performance from it, they started taking bullets for the various .30-06 offspring and stuffed them into necked-down .308 cases. This is very helpful if you have an old .30-06 with a shot out barrel. You can now save the action and rebarrel it for one of the many cartridges that are basically shortened versions of the ones mentioned above. 7mm Mauser is great and we know this because in the USA we have no shortage of cartridges in that range. 7mm-08 is the commercial spec of the wildcat 7mm/308 that gained popularity in the late 50s. But Europe loves its 7mm Mauser. Ditto the 6.5 Swede.
I agree we do not need new cartridges. Modern bullet design and powders can do wonders with already developed calibers. I think the 257 Robert's is an incredible round but there are so many. I will choose accuracy and ease of shooting over everything.
My second chance choice is the 356 I had a marlin in 356 and It was a great Elk rifle for hunting in terrain where the shots were fairly close. My wife still has her Winchester in 307
The caliber by which all others are measured. Cool then. Cool now. That being said, I no longer own a 30.06, and I can't even say why, which is a great reason to go out and get one
My first brand new rifle I bought in 1984/85 was a Remington 700ADL 6mm. Recommended by my part time boss and gunsmith I worked for while finishing my senior year in high school. It was a fun lil gun wish I still had it now.
The .280 Remington and its .280 Ackley Improved brethren. Both are handloader's dreams; both offer the superior 7mm bullet choices compared to the 6.5mm and the .270. The .280 edges very close to 7mm Rem mag performance minus all the heat and blast of magnums.
Kudos, Ron. I ain't seen you get one "wrong", yet. We'll thought through, by garsh. A real mature look at ballistics and performance, ... and the dance between those two. Thank You, to you and yours.
The right shot placement is of course king, It comes down to how far you want to walk to find it. A animal will run a good distance with the best shot if the cartridge doesn't hit hard enough. 30-06 has always put them on the ground where they stood for me.
It's one of those Remington things. They introduced .280 in a gas operated semi auto that just didn't have the same pressure limits as most bolt actions. Potentially the cartridge is really better than .270 Winchester if it was loaded to the same pressure limits.
I have a stevens bolt 223, it was a gift. I have shot zombie max, a couple different brass case fmj but it shoots the best groups with tula🤷♂️. It's my farm rifle, groundhog, foxes and coyotes.
Thank you again for all the GREAT information you provide. Love your comment "We really don't need new cartridges" (paraphrase) Agreed, but some new developments are interesting... The new Sig Fury 6.8x51 being a case in point. Just saw an episode of Forgotten Weapons where Ian says there are 2 versions, one having a stainless steel case base & 80k psi! Supposed to push a 135gr bullet at 2750 fps from a 16" barrel. As I said, Interesting.
@@G5Hohn and if 6.5x55 was originally chambered in a 98 mauser instead of the 94 & 96 ( which were perfectly adequate , but US ammo companies are lawsuit shy ) , then there might never have either
Equally, amazing, how many 556 vintage recreation guns use 1/8 despite being an ineffective twist rate (designed for 55gr 20' barrel). The customers insisted on using 1/8 twist because the US military does, albeit for a very specific tracer round. However, I suppose the customer is always right. I know of several recreation companies that went from 1/12 , again for 55 gr, to 1/8 to please some tactical Teddies.
My dad swore by his .243 and his single shot 12ga. I and his bolt action.22 LR For any and everything he hunted in Indiana, Kentucky . I have to say mine is a little ol 20ga. ,. Ruger 10-22 and for my go to rifle the 7mm's
Ron, thanks for bringing up the touchy subject of lead ammunition. Interestingly there's already a standard banning lead ammunition and that's lead shot in waterfowl hunting. Solid bullets are safe for both scavenging wildlife and human consumption. Ethical hunting means respecting all wildlife and it should be shooters who switch because it's the right thing to do. We shouldn't have to have government regulate what is simply common sense.
Humans have proven for their existence that rules and regulations have to be made to induce change of behaviors. Even if it's common sense to many, it never is for all.
Have an old Flaig's custom with a 1960s Remington 700 action and Douglas barrel and amazing custom stock in Circasian walnut. It's chambered in 6mm Remington with 1:9 twist. I love eaking out and extra 125+ fps with 100 grain bullets with screaming out 62 grain varmint bullets. It's about 0.9 moa consistently with one 90 grain load at 0.8 moa. The Timney trigger helps too! Like Ron, I am an underdog kinda guy. I actually have a bunch of brass from when it was released as .244 Norma. Another bit of trivia for another time.
I’ve had both 243 and 6mm Remington,,I sold the custom 26 inch bull barrel 6mm not long after I bought it ,,,case neck stretch, hard to find brass or loaded ammo was an issue from day one,,,I sold that custom rifle to a pawn shop in Dillon Montana in the year 1976
.358 Winchester is a thumper. It was meant to replace the .348 Winchester in the modern lever action model 88. Or so the legend says. I'm not sure that it totally did that, but it is a great bear cartridge that works well.
6mm Remington was my first center fire rifle, I did let it go eventually because it was a better rifle for the bench then in the woods and field( it was a Remington 700 bull barrel and laminate stock) I’m looking for another one tho since I still have a bunch of ammo for it
The 6mm Remington was and is a great cartridge. Lapua used to make 7mm Mauser brass that could simply be run through a 6mm Remington die, and you had a great cartridge with great brass. Fire form it to 6mm AI even better. I, too, would love to see the 270 WSM revived. It is a fantastic cartridge. I wish Browning/ Winchester had gone the other way with the 6.8 Westerner in the design change and stretched the 270 WSM a little for the heavy bullets and faster twist. The current 6.8 doesn't quite have the power capacity it needs. I realize they were targeting the younger short action only crowd, but a standard length action has served hunters very well for a lot of years. And let's face it, the 270 caliber is still a long way away from enough quality components to become a competitive target contender. So why not make the greatest hunting cartridge ever...
Want a hoot! Try a 6.5 X 55 in a modern rifle! Called 6.5 X 55 S.E. or SKAN it works at a pressure of 55,000 psi! I've pushed 120 gr. Sierra's Spitzer Soft Points at 2900 fps with Norma MRP powder.
It's interesting that you brought up the 6mm Remington vs .243 Winchester twist rate issue towards the end when earlier in the same episode you covered the shift towards monolithic copper bullets. The lower-density and therefore longer copper bullets are really making twist rate an issue in more ways than it used to be, and the "traditional" rates can be rather limiting, so rather than seeing a bunch of new cartridges created I wish we could just re-define what "standard" twist rates are for a lot of existing ones to make them a smidge faster across the board. I really wish my .243 Winchesters came with more like a 1:9 barrel rather than 1:10, just to have a liiiiittle more flexibility in copper bullet size - 80gr ones are totally fine, 85gr are riding right on the edge of stability, and 90gr are too long, but a 1:9 would cover those 90-grain ones.
I like that idea, same cartridges, but new design in the barrel departments would make for an all new cartridge kind of, and wouldn’t be detrimental to the lighter bullets… or would it?
@@davidgendron1953 If you go TOO fast that can certainly be detrimental to the lighter lead bullets, but from what I’ve read most seem to have a decent buffer to work with down on that end so a relatively modest change likely wouldn’t cause problems. Meanwhile, lightweight monolithic bullets would be immune to those problems anyway.
Remington's current Model 700s in 243 have a 9 inch ROT. I've had 1 for 15 years, but the hot rod 6mms have 7 & 8 inch ROTs for the longer heavier bullets. Hornady even tells you the ROT needed for their different design bullets.
I strongly believe that if you do not eat what you kill or provide that animal to someone who will, you should not be allowed to hunt that animal. Not only is it a waste, but it is unethical. I feel the same about people that leave large portions of uneaten farm raised meat on their plate; a animal had to die for you to pick at the meat on your plate. I love to hunt and enjoy preparing delicious as well as nutritious meals from wild game. It was a staple in my childhood home just as it is today. Spomer did a good job of avoiding the issue.
George, I disapprove of people wasting half the food on their plates, too! Drives me nuts. Ditto shooting watermelons, etc. As a gardener, I understand the significant efforts and materials required to produce food. I'd rather a hunter abandon a carcass in the field than in the kitchen because in the field said animal feeds eagles, chickadees, foxes, coyotes, wolves... Nothing is wasted in Nature, but when humans throw food into "the trash," it is ensconced in plastic and buried in some "landfill" where it nourishes at best bacteria only. As for never shooting an animal some human does not eat, consider farmer Schmidt whose chicken flock was destroyed in one night by a badger that I trapped at the barn door the next night. No one ate it. The cougar that rampaged through a flock of sheep, killing a dozen before eating just one. How about an infestation of ground squirrels leveling an alfalfa field, skunks under the porch, bats in the attic... Clearly there are reasons other than eating to justify killing some animals. But I think I get your point: wanton, senseless killing as glorified target shooting. That is not sport hunting, not conservation hunting, not ethical, no legal, not part of the North American Model of Conservation, and not condoned by true sportsmen. (Sport hunting, by the way, does not mean frivolous pursuit or some silly game. It means the opposite of market hunting and poaching. Sport as in rules, limitations, boundaries, ethical conduct. We live largely off the game we shoot and vegetables we grow, too, George, but I've a hunch you turn yours into more delicious meals than I do mine. I'm more of a "heat it and eat it" kind of cook. Call me when dinner's ready!
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast thanks and very well said. I just have met too many that only hunt to pull the trigger. In the long run that will hurt this tradition the most.
@@georgeclark6629 Yes it's unfortunate that we have "slobs," irresponsible shooters and even vandals with firearms and hunting licenses (or maybe not the licenses.) But they are in every aspect of life. By and large I've found hunters operating with good ethics, many with impeccable ethics. Best we can do is weed out the weeds and emphasize proper behavior. Sport hunters have a strong tradition of conservation and highly ethical use of Nature's abundance. We can take great pride in having stopped the slaughter and reinvigorated North American wildlife. More whitetails, elk, turkeys, geese, cougars, wolves, coyotes, pronghorns and much more than existed in 1910. And this in the face of ever decreasing habitat. It's remarkable what we've done despite lawbreakers in our ranks.
Lead levels in the blood used to be an issue for some occupations. Parking attendants in the days of leaded gasoline frequently developed high lead levels with the associated health issues. Same for indoor ranges with poor ventilation. But lead doesn't absorb through the skin. Reloaders needed to ensure no food or drink because lead can be absorbed through the stomach. Knew one reloader who kept getting high lead levels. Took a while but found out that he didn't consider his chewing tobacco as food and kept refreshing his chew while reloading. Good handwashing with soap and water when finished is all that's needed. Of course, gloves are so readily available now that some may opt for that protection. Embedded bullets don't always need to be removed. Usually, the body wraps the lead in a "cocoon" and prevents absorption, but not always. It depends on where it lodges. So, when handling lead ensure good ventilation and wash well when finished and all will be well.
For comebacks, i would say the 284 Win and 338 Federal. The 284 is very efficient, rebated, and was ahead of its time for short action cartridges. The case is the basis for some of JD Jones's wildcats, and the famous 475 Wildey Magnum (RIP Charles Bronson). The 338 just seems like one of those just right cartridges. What's not to like about 185 to 210 gr 338 bullets? Maybe even up to 225. Savage was listing the Hog Hunter in the chambering, but i noticed a few months ago it disappeared from their website and the SW website. Of personal interest for me would be the 38-55, loaded to 30-30 pressures. Label it +p and put the warnings on the box. Bring out 1 or 2 more lever actions and a good falling block (yes, i know about the Lyman "Ideal" and the Henry Side Gate brass receiver). With 30-30 pressure, i think you can get a 255 gr bullet going about 1900 fps. That should be plenty. And speaking of straight walled lever gun cartridges, how about its younger cousin, the 375 Win? Always thought it never got its just due as a woods cartridge
The 338 Federal deserves to live, but few appreciate it, so say goodbye. The 284 Win. accompanied me on many a wilderness and ranch hunt for sheep, elk, whitetails, mule deer, coyotes. Love it! But these days the 7mm SAUM and many similar proprietary and wildcat cartridges do much the same thing if not better. Still, the 284 Win. should stick around! The 375 Win., a slight modernization of the old 38-55 Winchester (originally a black powder round sprung from the 38-50 Ballard) never did develop a following.
I would like to see a new rim fire round, 17wsm brass with the 204 bullet. Think it would be a good varmint round with further reach than a 22 mag and more power than the 17 wsm
Can’t finds guns or ammo but I bought set of dies several years ago? And never found a rifle and now no ammo? Just like my 6.5 Remington magnum ? No ammo available
I vote for the .257 Roberts! Sure wish Winchester would have offered faster twist barrels on their Mod 70’s esp in .270 cal. Then they wouldn’t have needed the 6.8 western cartridge in my opinion. A fast twist rate barrel for the .270 WSM as well. Could have opened up the market to a great selection of high B.C. .277 dia projectiles for bullet manufactures as well. The 6.5 Creedmore probably would have never taken hold if this was the case?
As for the 6 mm it originally came out as a long range varmint rifle but was named the 244 REM with a 1-12 twist and it got a bad rep by folks trying to run 100 grain bullets. so Remington repackaged it as the 6mm with a 1-9 twist and it was a good round but suffered from the rep of the 244
@@rubbafunk It shoots very simular to the rest of my remington 700s. It is a pretty light trigger which I like. I topped it off with a Leopold vary x 6 scope with turits set up for the factory 95 grain ballistic tips. It is very accurate. I shot a blacktailed deer at 484 yards and hit it right in the heart. I was not real pleased with the expansion of that ballistic tip at that range but the deer only made it about 30 yards.
You have to wonder what the perfect carriage is and rifle There are many great rifles to choose from but re.ally only one cartridge the .270 Winchester 130 Grain boat tail Some of the best patterns at most all rifle ranges .😎
I started using Barnes about 11 years ago and never looked back. Had nothing to do with lead. It was a performance thing. I had had bullet failures and poor accuracy with some other bullets.
If someone is looking for a "one gun that does all", you will NEVER go wrong with a 30-06. It will handle any job given to it as long as the bullet weight is appropriate for the job. Are there better cartridges for specific applications? Absolutely. Are there cartridges that are "almost as good"? Absolutely. The 308 comes to mind in this category. The 30-06 can shoot anywhere from 55 grain bullets with accelerator sabots all the way up to 240 grain bullets (efficiently). The efficiency of the 308 falls off after 180 grains. When talking about elk, specifically, Elmer Keith showed us that the 338 Win Mag is the best choice. BUT he acknowledged that the 30-06 was okay. Elmer ALSO said that he preferred hunters who used "lesser" calibers as long as they could shoot it well. He HATED seeing someone showing up with the "latest and greatest" caliber because most of the time they flinched and missed with that "latest and greatest".
@Cram Butcher - Actually, no, I didn't forget precisely. I only mentioned one cartridge in the "almost as good". There are a number of cartridges that fit that category. The 8x57 is a very good cartridge, and has served many countries very well indeed. If that's what is available to you, it will do very nicely.
@Cram Butcher Browning BAR semiautomatic. Beautiful and functional, grade 1 (grade II makes me want to leave it at home). Wish I still had it. Right now, a lever 95.
I agree standard 30-06 is great for most big game animal in the continental US. if you want to include Alaska, I would say 300 Winchester Magnum still the same 30 caliber bullet just uploaded for bigger game; bears and moose. Learn to shoot it well. Power never made up for a bad shot
From what I've learned about metallurgy copper gets harder when you work it so hammering it will actually harden it heating it up will soften it, by doing a squished copper bullet vs milling is actually like hard cast lead versus plain unalloyed lead bullets
Ron I live in Louisiana where whitetails and hogs are our game my remington 760 gamemaster with those barnes vor-tx 150 30-06 is lethal long live the 06 😊
Nice video Ron. I really enjoy when you answer the questions. My experience is no where near yours, so the information you provide is always a prod for me to learn a little bit more. As for a cartridge I would like to see make a comeback, it would be the 7mm-06/280 Rem or the 284 Win. Both cartridges fit right between the 7mm Mauser and the 7mm Rem Mag which are two of my favorite cartridges. Thanks for video, have a great week ahead.
Copper bullets are getting more popular,at the store I work at there is a ten dollar give back by eagles watch group for every box purchased.Great show by the way,enjoy them a lot, great info.
Re 243W and 6mm Rem. Yes the 6 is a bit faster however 6 does not appear to go under 100grs or 243 over 100gr projectiles. Guess comes back to what you are plinking. Love your program. Cheers
I'm 78 yrs. Old. My first rifle was 30-06 and I still shoot a 30-06 w/ 180 gr. Rem . Works well .
I'm a young buck (63). I'll stick to my new fangled 7mm Remington Magnum. 😉
The old 30-06 will do it all for me I have researched it from all angles and it it is a great cartridge just learn your gun and practice and know your gun
Ive got a lot of respect for this guy on so many levels. Keep doing what you're doing Ron.
Thanks for a bang up job answering questions on why people hunt. You did sportsmen all over proud.
Great episode Ron. Thank you! The .257 Robert’s is a wonderful cartridge for game up to white tails.
It’s amazing how those old ballistic pioneers (like Ned Robert’s, Whelen, Kilburn, etc) did so much with the primitive tools they had back in the day.
I like the new cartridges, but I truly admire and respect all the great old classic cartridges.
35 Remington needs a reboot! It thumps better than 30-30 and makes bigger holes. But it’s not a 45-70. It’s just right!
I like my 500 SW
That would be a good one. Plus an add on to your idea would be what if they could do a 35 rem +p. They do it with 45/70 and other old cartridges, and also considering modern rifles taking higher pressures I think that would be something neat.
The numbers show that the energy of 30-30 in 170grn vs 200 grn 35 rem even out at 50 yards (in factory loads) and from then on the 30-30 holds more energy. At the muzzle there's under 100 ft lbs difference of energy between the two. The numbers and trajectory favor the 30-30. A slightly bigger hole isn't enough difference to make a difference. The argument could be made that hand loading the 35 really makes its potential shine.... but the same can be said for the 30-30.
I learned recently that my uncle has one of those - maybe I'll get a chance to try shooting it sometime over the summer.
@@plumbbobslim9313 you mean like a 358 Winchester?
257 Roberts needs a 2nd chance, its an amazing round
Best deer cartridge hands down
I kept telling Ron through the screen .257 Roberts!!!
Yes it is. Called perfect deer round in it's day
My first deer rifle. My dad got it for me. I no longer have it. It was too hard to find ammo for and we didn’t reload
257 roberts best deer round there is shot 5 deer this year all one shot
I'd give a second chance to the .257 Roberts. Not many guns are chambered in .25 anymore. IMHO a great deer caliber.
It's a shame the 25's are on their way out. 250 Sav, 257 Rob are all but gone. The 257 Wby, small little following, just like the 25-06. The 25 WSSM never seemed to get out of the gate. Don't forget the 25-20 or 25-30. All great little numbers, that punch well above their weight class. Sadly the quarter bores on it's way out.
@@jk-kr8jt .357 maximum and 414 super mag are good with hard cast out to 75 yds or so...
@@jk-kr8jt maybe, maybe not. I'm not giving up on my quarter 06
It likes the Ackley treatment pretty well, too.
@@jk-kr8jt Quarterbore is having a resurgence in precision rifles with the new Berger 135gr.
.25x47 Lapua and .25 Creedmoor are very impressive.
.25 WSSM is the most interesting of all the WSSMs, especially if you chamber for 2.500" COL with these long VLDs.
Thanks for the great show as always, Ron. 2nd chance cartridges sounds like a fantastic subject for an entire episode. Second chance rifle models, as well.
Even though I am old I love the new cartridges. I own 204 Ruger, 223, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 CM and 260 Rem. But I especially enjoy shooting my 220 Swift, crazy fast and accurate! Goes all the way back to 1935, hard to find ammo but can still get brass.
They are all great cartridges
A mate of mine shot a .243 shell with his .260 at 250yard bang right through the middle
Cherish that old 220 Swift Randall! I’d love to own one.
I have a ‘80s vintage Steyr SL in .222 REM Mag. Great old cartridge and a beautiful rifle. I’d love it even more in .220 Swift!
Thanks Ron my pick was the 6mm Remington since that is what I started out with for deer. My Uncle sold that gun to my father for me to deer hunt with. He built the gun for ground hog hunting in TN. It is a Mauser 98 action and he had hand carved the stock himself. I'm kind of partial to that gun and the caliber. Thanks again.
The 25 caliber cartridge is a much more effective hunting cartridge for deer sized game than the 6mm and specially with the casings and powders and bullets and barrels to day that can be made for your old rifles or new ones in 25 caliber and actions also.kimber made a nice little rifle in 257 Roberts that will shoot + P loades
Their trying to get rid of the American people and replace us with illegal immagrants.
I agree with you 100%. The 6mm Remington is the best deer rifle/ cartridge out there. It is the same case as the 7x57 Mauser and 257 Roberts, necked down to 6mm. It is my preference over the 243 Winchester. Same bullet, but the 6mm Rem. can push it faster than the 243 Win. My 6mm is an old Remington 700 BDL from the 1960's and still shoots sub MOA. I've taken whitetail, mule deer, antelope and even a couple of wild boar with this rifle, not to mention the thousands of whistle pigs! It is a real pity that no one currently chambers for the 6mm Remington.
@@steveschott645 It is a pity that is is not chambered for. My local gun store has three Ruger Americans in three different cartridges - the 7mm-08, 308, and 243. It'd be really nice if Ruger would chamber one in the 6mm Remington cartridge.
Must say that I love your shows, they are straightforward to the point and unbiased.
Thank you, Ron for sharing the lessons of history and noting the benefits of copper vs lead in ammo.
15:16 Great job Ron! I teach hunter’s education and teaching kids the difference between non-hunters and anti-hunters is part of my job. Your excellent and thorough answer to this question demonstrates the winsome and thoughtful response needed when answering critics of hunting whether they be the “non” or “anti” variety.
Thanks!
I have a buddy that has a Long Ranger in 243. It shoots 1/2”. Very impressed by those LR rifles from Henry.
.250-3000. A forgotten winner. With newer powder, bullets, & rifles I think this one could be resurrected. Short and fast enough without recoil.
I've always thought that the 250 Ackley improved was a superb cartridge betrayed by the fact that most of the barrels in 25 caliber were too slow twist for heavier bullets
Friend, I definitely agree with you, this Savage classic is too good to die!
The Charles Newton cartridges were ahead of their time! With modern powders, bullets and rifles, I'm sure plenty of shooters would appreciate it's capabilities! Always wished I had grabbed one of the little 99s with the straight stock and Schnabel forehead! 20/20 hindsight! Blsgs, gg
@@Gerald-do9ygI have the Savage Model 99G (take down model) in .30-30 from 1937. Love that old rifle…super nice to grab for quick walk in the woods. Light and handy.
@@j.kellywilkerson540 Lucky you friend! Passed on one of those back in the day also, when I was young and dumb and there was no internet driving the prices up! Enjoy that fine rifle, Blsgs, gg
I would love to see the 35s make a comeback. Starting with 358win 35 Whelan.
I carry a 350 Rem Mag. I love the 35s!
Agree, it's a shame the 358 win. is not more popular. It's perfect for most hunting, and the 308 case is always around. And it will kill anything in N. America.
you can use a 35 in Mississippi , black powder season
how are the BCs? maybe a 338 PRC, or 350 PRC...?
358win and 35Whelen are awesome we use both. BC doesn’t make any difference in our typ of moose hunting here in the Nordic countries (
Thank you for speaking up about conservation. If we want to enjoy being out in nature, then we should do our part to help preserve it. Everyone needs to take a little bit of personal responsibility.
Definitely, Geoff. And I'll up your ante to "everyone needs to do a lot," because the need is great. We are losing about 1.3 million acres of farmland each year. How many pheasants, quail, rabbits, grouse, deer, etc. could live on 1.3 million acres?!
What rifle do I swear by Remington 700 or Model 70.
I don’t eat Varmints !
What Cartridge needs to come back ! 6mm Rem, .257 Robert’s, .260 Rem, .280 Rem. & all should be more popular.
Ron you need to try Reloader 26 in your 6mm Rem with a faster twist barrel.
Nice Podcast.
Robinson Arms offers their XCR rifle in 260 Remington! Maybe you all are onto something.
My Winchester 94a will easily shoot moa groups at 150 yards…307 is an amazing round…I was shocked at that old lever gun performance!..amazing rifle!
I really did enjoy your intelligent and logical discussions about hunting game animals, non game animals and copper vs lead bullets. I am a hunter who now uses copper bullets because of their superior performance on deer and elk. We need to be concerned about what the general public and anti-hunters think about hunters and their actions. If we have too many non hunters rise up against us because of our actions. Hunting will cease to exist as we know it. Keep up the good work.
I think the 25s need another chance. The 25-06 isn’t as popular as it should be, and the 257 Roberts is the same way.
I just had a 25/06 built on an old 270 action, my new deer/antelope gun. An awesome round to be sure
my next barrel is a 25 creedmoor for sure
25/06 is a very popular around except for in the United States
yet everyone is loving the 6.5 caliber which is also 25
@@garcex1382 6.5 is actually a 26. Bullet diameter is .264
My dad's first rifle was a Rem 722 in .244 Rem. Given that and that he had reloading dies for it, my first rifle was a Rem 788 in 6mm. His opinion of why the .243 won out was the combination of the twist and the fact that you could get the .243 in Winchester's model 70 as a really nice looking rifle whereas the .244 came in only the Rem 722. The 722 was a very accurate platform, but was as pretty to look at as a fence post. I had that old 722 for a while to see what I could do with it hand loading. We always used Sierra's 85 gr hpbt bullets over IMR 4350. The load that I settled on gave me 3/8" groups at 100 yds out of this 1950's vintage rifle! My 788 can do almost as well.
Yep..your right buddy I have a Tikka M55 6mm Rem,,6x18 Bushnell scope,,I 've had this gun since 1972..I will not part with it..
My buddy has a Brownie Auto 243,,my 6mm Rem walks circles around it...
35 Remington, great hunting caliber needs to come back! Amazing deer woods caliber! We need the availability of this caliber to come back ASAP!
I would love to see any of the WSM’s get a second chance. Primarily the 270 and the 325 though.
Great talk Ron, glad you touched on how it's largely hunters who drive conservation and habitat protection.
35 Whalen would get my vote. 3006 will never need a second chance. 👍
Ron is right 👍👍👍 the 3006 is better than the 2506 and the 3006 is great on elk 🫎👍👍👍 and ron keep up the great work 💯💯💯💯👍👍👍👍
My second chance cartridge would be the .358 Winchester. I think the Browning lever rifle may still be available is this fine old round.
That is a good one.
Had a 99 savage in 358. I'm sorry I sold it.
Yes, I’ve used a browning lever rifle in 358 Winchester it is an excellent cartridge
The 358 Norma magnum is way heavy duty.
What about the 7mm Mauser? people overlook that cartridge all the time and it is a fantastic round perfect for deer size game, Ballistic excellence in .284, that and its combined low recoil, I find it is hard to argue about. also a person could also varment hunt with the lighter frangible bullets available,, handcrafted (Hand loaded) ammunition would really bring out the performance in that varment area of need. don't get me wrong, the 257 Roberts is a good round and has been used for hunting species of North American game from Elk to Bear, Moose to woodchucks, Rockchuckers to Foxes. However, shot placement is the key factor when using any of these two. -Dave
7mm mauser... if you handload you can safely far exceed the performance of factory loads.
Pressure for factory is loaded to the turn of the century (1900) pressure levels (as is the 9 x 19, without +P available for the 7mm).
I really like the cartridge, low recoil decent ballistics.
But 7mm-08 is already popular
So ist is. Here in Germany most of our Grandfathers used 7x57 with or without „R“ in bolt action rifles, combination guns or drillings. Today modern cartridges perform much better. 7mm Mauser 3 Band Classic: Vo (muzzle) 3100 ft/sec, Eo 2000ftpds.
The 7mm Mauser IMHO will hold its own against any of the new whizz bang calibers , and even beat a few of them......I hand load a 175 grain round nose and have never needed more punch ...It's pretty easy on my old shoulder also .
7mm Mauser is very popular, just not in the United States. America is kind of a 'cart-before-the-horse' kind of place in that we readily allow lots of civilian gun ownership of military rifles. We build the guns we want and then decide what to feed them.
It's no accident that lots of newer cartridges like the .204 Ruger, .224 Valkyrie, 6.8SPC, 6.5 Grendel and .300 Blackout will fit inside a STANAG magazine. The AR-15 is a very modular rifle which means that you can do all sorts of things to it from having a super short suppressed carbine, to a 24" barreled long range hunter that will take anything from prairie dogs to nasty Texas hogs.
Before the AR-15, America had the .30-06 and its shortened offspring, the .308 Win. Both of which use the same ~12mm case head diameter as the 8mm and 7mm Mauser cartridges. Not surprising as the 1903 Springfield was a Mauser action. So, Americans took what was handy and iterated on it. It started with long actions that could run the very long .30-06 rounds which quickly became the .270 Win, the 35 Whelen, later we got the 25-06. When .308 came along and people realized you could get serious hunting performance from it, they started taking bullets for the various .30-06 offspring and stuffed them into necked-down .308 cases. This is very helpful if you have an old .30-06 with a shot out barrel. You can now save the action and rebarrel it for one of the many cartridges that are basically shortened versions of the ones mentioned above.
7mm Mauser is great and we know this because in the USA we have no shortage of cartridges in that range. 7mm-08 is the commercial spec of the wildcat 7mm/308 that gained popularity in the late 50s.
But Europe loves its 7mm Mauser. Ditto the 6.5 Swede.
I agree we do not need new cartridges. Modern bullet design and powders can do wonders with already developed calibers. I think the 257 Robert's is an incredible round but there are so many. I will choose accuracy and ease of shooting over everything.
I still use Ruger 1974 M77 in .280 Rem Ron has talked a lot about this cartridge.
Some times you just have to use what you got.
25-06 needs another look now that Barnes has TTSX bullets out in 25 cal. 100Gr bullet going 3350+ ...bit of a barrel burner though at those speeds.
My second chance choice is the 356 I had a marlin in 356 and It was a great Elk rifle for hunting in terrain where the shots were fairly close. My wife still has her Winchester in 307
The one cartridge that will never need a 2nd chance.. . 30/06... 😉
You need a 30.06 from a hundred year-old rifle to take out a hostile enemy at 200YDS.
The caliber by which all others are measured. Cool then. Cool now. That being said, I no longer own a 30.06, and I can't even say why, which is a great reason to go out and get one
That is true.
Absolutely correct amen 🙏 brother!
one of the best
I have a Henry Long Ranger in 308 and it shoots lights out! It's a great little rifle.
My first brand new rifle I bought in 1984/85 was a Remington 700ADL 6mm. Recommended by my part time boss and gunsmith I worked for while finishing my senior year in high school. It was a fun lil gun wish I still had it now.
The .280 Remington and its .280 Ackley Improved brethren. Both are handloader's dreams; both offer the superior 7mm bullet choices compared to the 6.5mm and the .270. The .280 edges very close to 7mm Rem mag performance minus all the heat and blast of magnums.
Kudos, Ron. I ain't seen you get one "wrong", yet. We'll thought through, by garsh. A real mature look at ballistics and performance, ... and the dance between those two. Thank You, to you and yours.
Thank you, Leslie.
Thank you! I love how you balance data and experience.
Ron, the 280 Remington deserves a second chance.
280 is my favorite cartridge.
@@gregwhite6334also the 7 mm rem express.
I think the 280 Remington is getting a second chance with the 280 AI.
I always liked my .308, but recently, I have been loving my H&R rifle in .243. but, my all-time favorite is my Winchester lever XTR in 7-30 Waters.
The right shot placement is of course king, It comes down to how far you want to walk to find it. A animal will run a good distance with the best shot if the cartridge doesn't hit hard enough. 30-06 has always put them on the ground where they stood for me.
Love my .3006 😊
6mm rem is the premier coyote cartridge of all time 70-80 gr bullets sent at 22-250 speeds
A bad ass caliber,6 mm mag.
'06 and 7-08 are my standard bearers. Then all the others I have are for when I want to change things up.
.35 Remington. Anyone who has seen its work knows it’s virtues.
280 Remington? 6mm Remington?
More good logic from an experienced hunter. Thanks Ron.
32 Win Spl. Great round and in a Winchester or Marlin lever gun …. Magical!
.280 rem. Factory loads are under powered giving the round kind of a bad name. Hand loads perform close to a 7mm rem mag with less recoil.
.280 Remington is one of my favorites. I own two of them.
It's one of those Remington things. They introduced .280 in a gas operated semi auto that just didn't have the same pressure limits as most bolt actions. Potentially the cartridge is really better than .270 Winchester if it was loaded to the same pressure limits.
.280 Remington should have gotten the factory +P treatment like .257 Roberts did decades ago.
That’s why so many went to the ackley
@@polish-hammer8365 That's true. The AI version gives a noticeable power increase without getting into big mag negatives.
I have a stevens bolt 223, it was a gift. I have shot zombie max, a couple different brass case fmj but it shoots the best groups with tula🤷♂️. It's my farm rifle, groundhog, foxes and coyotes.
Thank you again for all the GREAT information you provide. Love your comment "We really don't need new cartridges" (paraphrase) Agreed, but some new developments are interesting... The new Sig Fury 6.8x51 being a case in point. Just saw an episode of Forgotten Weapons where Ian says there are 2 versions, one having a stainless steel case base & 80k psi! Supposed to push a 135gr bullet at 2750 fps from a 16" barrel. As I said, Interesting.
Interesting how many cartridges went obsolete just because the guns that chambered them had too slow of a twist rate for heavy bullets.
Yeah definitely, happened in the past, and it is happening today too.
This is a really big factor. If 260 had been 8tw instead of 9, we might never have the 6.5 creedmoor.
@@G5Hohn and if 6.5x55 was originally chambered in a 98 mauser instead of the 94 & 96 ( which were perfectly adequate , but US ammo companies are lawsuit shy ) , then there might never have either
Equally, amazing, how many 556 vintage recreation guns use 1/8 despite being an ineffective twist rate (designed for 55gr 20' barrel). The customers insisted on using 1/8 twist because the US military does, albeit for a very specific tracer round. However, I suppose the customer is always right. I know of several recreation companies that went from 1/12 , again for 55 gr, to 1/8 to please some tactical Teddies.
Another with a second chance for the .257 Roberts. Great deer caliber, easy on the shoulder, and has been overlooked for too long.
My grandpa loved .257 Roberts. He rebarreled and sporterized a 6.5 Jap Arisaka in .257 Roberts.
250 and 300 savage and 257 roberts my three all time favorites.
My dad swore by his .243 and his single shot 12ga. I and his bolt action.22 LR For any and everything he hunted in Indiana, Kentucky .
I have to say mine is a little ol 20ga. ,. Ruger 10-22 and for my go to rifle the 7mm's
Ron, thanks for bringing up the touchy subject of lead ammunition. Interestingly there's already a standard banning lead ammunition and that's lead shot in waterfowl hunting. Solid bullets are safe for both scavenging wildlife and human consumption. Ethical hunting means respecting all wildlife and it should be shooters who switch because it's the right thing to do. We shouldn't have to have government regulate what is simply common sense.
Humans have proven for their existence that rules and regulations have to be made to induce change of behaviors. Even if it's common sense to many, it never is for all.
270 wsm seems to be doing well here in Nova Scotia
Have an old Flaig's custom with a 1960s Remington 700 action and Douglas barrel and amazing custom stock in Circasian walnut. It's chambered in 6mm Remington with 1:9 twist. I love eaking out and extra 125+ fps with 100 grain bullets with screaming out 62 grain varmint bullets. It's about 0.9 moa consistently with one 90 grain load at 0.8 moa. The Timney trigger helps too! Like Ron, I am an underdog kinda guy. I actually have a bunch of brass from when it was released as .244 Norma. Another bit of trivia for another time.
I’ve had both 243 and 6mm Remington,,I sold the custom 26 inch bull barrel 6mm not long after I bought it ,,,case neck stretch, hard to find brass or loaded ammo was an issue from day one,,,I sold that custom rifle to a pawn shop in Dillon Montana in the year 1976
We hav used both 30--06 and 9.3x62 on boar and they both work just fine. 180 Nosler partitions or 286 partitions. just fine.
358 Winchester needs a second chance… it’s a real sleeper
A 358 win Ruger ranch type rifle would be bananas
@@K-bob_45 sure would I have a rebarreled gun site scout and it’s awesome
@@K-bob_45 I'd buy it
.358 Winchester is a thumper. It was meant to replace the .348 Winchester in the modern lever action model 88. Or so the legend says. I'm not sure that it totally did that, but it is a great bear cartridge that works well.
@@K-bob_45 yes would love to monkey around with one of those too!! 🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒🐵🐵🐵🐵🐵
6mm Remington was my first center fire rifle, I did let it go eventually because it was a better rifle for the bench then in the woods and field( it was a Remington 700 bull barrel and laminate stock) I’m looking for another one tho since I still have a bunch of ammo for it
The 6mm Remington was and is a great cartridge. Lapua used to make 7mm Mauser brass that could simply be run through a 6mm Remington die, and you had a great cartridge with great brass. Fire form it to 6mm AI even better.
I, too, would love to see the 270 WSM revived. It is a fantastic cartridge. I wish Browning/ Winchester had gone the other way with the 6.8 Westerner in the design change and stretched the 270 WSM a little for the heavy bullets and faster twist. The current 6.8 doesn't quite have the power capacity it needs. I realize they were targeting the younger short action only crowd, but a standard length action has served hunters very well for a lot of years. And let's face it, the 270 caliber is still a long way away from enough quality components to become a competitive target contender. So why not make the greatest hunting cartridge ever...
I'm partial to the 25/06 myself...
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Hahaha laughing as i destroy all 2506 with my 257 weatherby
@@MrJtin69 I love it for coyotes and it’s pretty hard on pigs too
@@MrJtin69except for the cost when you try to buy some.
Hey that's my question! Thanks for giving my question so much thought Ron!
Want a hoot! Try a 6.5 X 55 in a modern rifle! Called 6.5 X 55 S.E. or SKAN it works at a pressure of 55,000 psi! I've pushed 120 gr. Sierra's Spitzer Soft Points at 2900 fps with Norma MRP powder.
It's interesting that you brought up the 6mm Remington vs .243 Winchester twist rate issue towards the end when earlier in the same episode you covered the shift towards monolithic copper bullets. The lower-density and therefore longer copper bullets are really making twist rate an issue in more ways than it used to be, and the "traditional" rates can be rather limiting, so rather than seeing a bunch of new cartridges created I wish we could just re-define what "standard" twist rates are for a lot of existing ones to make them a smidge faster across the board. I really wish my .243 Winchesters came with more like a 1:9 barrel rather than 1:10, just to have a liiiiittle more flexibility in copper bullet size - 80gr ones are totally fine, 85gr are riding right on the edge of stability, and 90gr are too long, but a 1:9 would cover those 90-grain ones.
I like that idea, same cartridges, but new design in the barrel departments would make for an all new cartridge kind of, and wouldn’t be detrimental to the lighter bullets… or would it?
@@davidgendron1953 If you go TOO fast that can certainly be detrimental to the lighter lead bullets, but from what I’ve read most seem to have a decent buffer to work with down on that end so a relatively modest change likely wouldn’t cause problems. Meanwhile, lightweight monolithic bullets would be immune to those problems anyway.
Remington's current Model 700s in 243 have a 9 inch ROT. I've had 1 for 15 years, but the hot rod 6mms have 7 & 8 inch ROTs for the longer heavier bullets. Hornady even tells you the ROT needed for their different design bullets.
I strongly believe that if you do not eat what you kill or provide that animal to someone who will, you should not be allowed to hunt that animal. Not only is it a waste, but it is unethical. I feel the same about people that leave large portions of uneaten farm raised meat on their plate; a animal had to die for you to pick at the meat on your plate. I love to hunt and enjoy preparing delicious as well as nutritious meals from wild game. It was a staple in my childhood home just as it is today. Spomer did a good job of avoiding the issue.
George, I disapprove of people wasting half the food on their plates, too! Drives me nuts. Ditto shooting watermelons, etc. As a gardener, I understand the significant efforts and materials required to produce food. I'd rather a hunter abandon a carcass in the field than in the kitchen because in the field said animal feeds eagles, chickadees, foxes, coyotes, wolves... Nothing is wasted in Nature, but when humans throw food into "the trash," it is ensconced in plastic and buried in some "landfill" where it nourishes at best bacteria only. As for never shooting an animal some human does not eat, consider farmer Schmidt whose chicken flock was destroyed in one night by a badger that I trapped at the barn door the next night. No one ate it. The cougar that rampaged through a flock of sheep, killing a dozen before eating just one. How about an infestation of ground squirrels leveling an alfalfa field, skunks under the porch, bats in the attic... Clearly there are reasons other than eating to justify killing some animals. But I think I get your point: wanton, senseless killing as glorified target shooting. That is not sport hunting, not conservation hunting, not ethical, no legal, not part of the North American Model of Conservation, and not condoned by true sportsmen. (Sport hunting, by the way, does not mean frivolous pursuit or some silly game. It means the opposite of market hunting and poaching. Sport as in rules, limitations, boundaries, ethical conduct. We live largely off the game we shoot and vegetables we grow, too, George, but I've a hunch you turn yours into more delicious meals than I do mine. I'm more of a "heat it and eat it" kind of cook. Call me when dinner's ready!
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast thanks and very well said. I just have met too many that only hunt to pull the trigger. In the long run that will hurt this tradition the most.
@@georgeclark6629 Yes it's unfortunate that we have "slobs," irresponsible shooters and even vandals with firearms and hunting licenses (or maybe not the licenses.) But they are in every aspect of life. By and large I've found hunters operating with good ethics, many with impeccable ethics. Best we can do is weed out the weeds and emphasize proper behavior. Sport hunters have a strong tradition of conservation and highly ethical use of Nature's abundance. We can take great pride in having stopped the slaughter and reinvigorated North American wildlife. More whitetails, elk, turkeys, geese, cougars, wolves, coyotes, pronghorns and much more than existed in 1910. And this in the face of ever decreasing habitat. It's remarkable what we've done despite lawbreakers in our ranks.
How about the 7x57 and 250-3000. My two best deer guns.
Love both the 6mm Rem. and the .264.
Lead levels in the blood used to be an issue for some occupations. Parking attendants in the days of leaded gasoline frequently developed high lead levels with the associated health issues. Same for indoor ranges with poor ventilation. But lead doesn't absorb through the skin. Reloaders needed to ensure no food or drink because lead can be absorbed through the stomach. Knew one reloader who kept getting high lead levels. Took a while but found out that he didn't consider his chewing tobacco as food and kept refreshing his chew while reloading. Good handwashing with soap and water when finished is all that's needed. Of course, gloves are so readily available now that some may opt for that protection. Embedded bullets don't always need to be removed. Usually, the body wraps the lead in a "cocoon" and prevents absorption, but not always. It depends on where it lodges. So, when handling lead ensure good ventilation and wash well when finished and all will be well.
For comebacks, i would say the 284 Win and 338 Federal. The 284 is very efficient, rebated, and was ahead of its time for short action cartridges. The case is the basis for some of JD Jones's wildcats, and the famous 475 Wildey Magnum (RIP Charles Bronson). The 338 just seems like one of those just right cartridges. What's not to like about 185 to 210 gr 338 bullets? Maybe even up to 225. Savage was listing the Hog Hunter in the chambering, but i noticed a few months ago it disappeared from their website and the SW website.
Of personal interest for me would be the 38-55, loaded to 30-30 pressures. Label it +p and put the warnings on the box. Bring out 1 or 2 more lever actions and a good falling block (yes, i know about the Lyman "Ideal" and the Henry Side Gate brass receiver). With 30-30 pressure, i think you can get a 255 gr bullet going about 1900 fps. That should be plenty.
And speaking of straight walled lever gun cartridges, how about its younger cousin, the 375 Win? Always thought it never got its just due as a woods cartridge
The 338 Federal deserves to live, but few appreciate it, so say goodbye. The 284 Win. accompanied me on many a wilderness and ranch hunt for sheep, elk, whitetails, mule deer, coyotes. Love it! But these days the 7mm SAUM and many similar proprietary and wildcat cartridges do much the same thing if not better. Still, the 284 Win. should stick around! The 375 Win., a slight modernization of the old 38-55 Winchester (originally a black powder round sprung from the 38-50 Ballard) never did develop a following.
I would like to see a new rim fire round, 17wsm brass with the 204 bullet. Think it would be a good varmint round with further reach than a 22 mag and more power than the 17 wsm
The 338 Federal needs a second chance.
I have a 33806 AI. Killed everything except the four sheep. Easy recoil, extremely accurate usually about fifteen FPS behind the win mag. Great round.
338 win mag is hard to find around me.. and I love mine.. but shells are expensive
Can’t finds guns or ammo but I bought set of dies several years ago? And never found a rifle and now no ammo? Just like my 6.5 Remington magnum ? No ammo available
I vote for the .257 Roberts!
Sure wish Winchester would have offered faster twist barrels on their Mod 70’s esp in .270 cal. Then they wouldn’t have needed the 6.8 western cartridge in my opinion. A fast twist rate barrel for the .270 WSM as well. Could have opened up the market to a great selection of high B.C. .277 dia projectiles for bullet manufactures as well. The 6.5 Creedmore probably would have never taken hold if this was the case?
As for the 6 mm it originally came out as a long range varmint rifle but was named the 244 REM with a 1-12 twist and it got a bad rep by folks trying to run 100 grain bullets. so Remington repackaged it as the 6mm with a 1-9 twist and it was a good round but suffered from the rep of the 244
My father loved the 6mm. I like my 243 ETRONX 95 grain nosler ballistic tips. The 6mm is the better cartridge.
You have electronically primed ammunition?
@@rubbafunk yes.
@@wendellbell6164 that's very interesting. I assume you have the Remington 700 then? How would you describe shooting it?
@@rubbafunk It shoots very simular to the rest of my remington 700s. It is a pretty light trigger which I like. I topped it off with a Leopold vary x 6 scope with turits set up for the factory 95 grain ballistic tips. It is very accurate. I shot a blacktailed deer at 484 yards and hit it right in the heart. I was not real pleased with the expansion of that ballistic tip at that range but the deer only made it about 30 yards.
You have to wonder what the perfect carriage is and rifle There are many great rifles to choose from but re.ally only one cartridge the .270 Winchester 130 Grain boat tail Some of the best patterns at most all rifle ranges .😎
.358WIN needs a 2nd chance!
I started using Barnes about 11 years ago and never looked back. Had nothing to do with lead. It was a performance thing. I had had bullet failures and poor accuracy with some other bullets.
If someone is looking for a "one gun that does all", you will NEVER go wrong with a 30-06. It will handle any job given to it as long as the bullet weight is appropriate for the job.
Are there better cartridges for specific applications? Absolutely. Are there cartridges that are "almost as good"? Absolutely. The 308 comes to mind in this category. The 30-06 can shoot anywhere from 55 grain bullets with accelerator sabots all the way up to 240 grain bullets (efficiently). The efficiency of the 308 falls off after 180 grains. When talking about elk, specifically, Elmer Keith showed us that the 338 Win Mag is the best choice. BUT he acknowledged that the 30-06 was okay. Elmer ALSO said that he preferred hunters who used "lesser" calibers as long as they could shoot it well. He HATED seeing someone showing up with the "latest and greatest" caliber because most of the time they flinched and missed with that "latest and greatest".
@Cram Butcher - Actually, no, I didn't forget precisely. I only mentioned one cartridge in the "almost as good". There are a number of cartridges that fit that category. The 8x57 is a very good cartridge, and has served many countries very well indeed. If that's what is available to you, it will do very nicely.
@Cram Butcher Browning BAR semiautomatic. Beautiful and functional, grade 1 (grade II makes me want to leave it at home). Wish I still had it. Right now, a lever 95.
I agree standard 30-06 is great for most big game animal in the continental US. if you want to include Alaska, I would say 300 Winchester Magnum still the same 30 caliber bullet just uploaded for bigger game; bears and moose. Learn to shoot it well. Power never made up for a bad shot
Be nice to see the 257 Roberts make a comeback. IMO
Thanks for the video, as always.
From what I've learned about metallurgy copper gets harder when you work it so hammering it will actually harden it heating it up will soften it, by doing a squished copper bullet vs milling is actually like hard cast lead versus plain unalloyed lead bullets
Gosh.. Why did I have to see Ron post up those groups with that Henry!! Now the Temptation comes back! (hehe)
Ron I live in Louisiana where whitetails and hogs are our game my remington 760 gamemaster with those barnes vor-tx 150 30-06 is lethal long live the 06 😊
Wondering if they will ever come out with a 30-06 or 280 plus p. A load that has a higher pressure like the 270 for the newer rifles
Nice video Ron. I really enjoy when you answer the questions. My experience is no where near yours, so the information you provide is always a prod for me to learn a little bit more. As for a cartridge I would like to see make a comeback, it would be the 7mm-06/280 Rem or the 284 Win. Both cartridges fit right between the 7mm Mauser and the 7mm Rem Mag which are two of my favorite cartridges. Thanks for video, have a great week ahead.
G.K. USA. 6mm, 25-06, 257 Roberts, 284 Win. 280 Rem, 300 Savage, 35 Rem, 358 Win, 35 Whelen, 358 Norma, 308 Norma, 8mm Rem Magnum.
Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Copper bullets are getting more popular,at the store I work at there is a ten dollar give back by eagles watch group for every box purchased.Great show by the way,enjoy them a lot, great info.
My first gun was a 270wsm. Shoot a 140gr Accubond at 3180 fps has never let me down.
7mm STW is an amazing round that is slowly disappearing that I pray does not go away
Yes indeed and so was its parent the 8 mm rem mag.
Too hard on barrels & BIG TIME recoil. Not really needed for most North American game animals.
2nd chance cartridges, 284 Win is the top choice for me.
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Good cartridge.
For 2nd chances would love to see the Ruger 300 RCM and 35 Whelen which I have both in my collection.
Thank you Ron!
100% agree about the 6mm Remington. longer neck... can handle longer/heavier bullets... just make them with a faster twist...simple
Re 243W and 6mm Rem. Yes the 6 is a bit faster however 6 does not appear to go under 100grs or 243 over 100gr projectiles. Guess comes back to what you are plinking. Love your program. Cheers