Knowing your value is so important as as trades person especially a self-employed person. Not all plumbers are the same, we each bring our own set of experience and qualities/level of integrity to a job. If you are honest, know your stuff and are conscientious then you should charge accordingly. I don’t charge an hourly rate anymore and haven’t for a while… you don’t want to be punished for being more efficient! The changes we make to a property are there for many years… not 2 hours. If I ever feel undervalued before I’ve even started the job then I won’t do it. All the best to you all! Know your worth!
Has the other plumber been paid for the work hes done, is that why they cant get hold of him. Id be very cautious, you know we have to be detectives in this game, theres a lot of people out there that try it on.
Hi Mark. I'm not a tradesman, but I am having a lot of work done on my house at the moment. If you quoted me £300 for that job, I'd think that was reasonable. Fully support local trade people. It's not like buying something that has been manufactured... you guys go into jobs and use your experience and knowledge to make things work. That's what we pay for 👍
Thank you for this! As someone having not long started out as self employed it is great to hear your reasoning and seeing how in real life (not sat at the college desk) prices and estimates are worked out for clients. Finding your videos super helpful as you verbalise what you are doing and why.
Hi am 37 , worked from 16 to 33 in various warehouses etc. Just done initial exam, but failed acs on practical. Just seems so much to it. Unsure to do for 2nd attempt. Thanks videos showing real world!
On a big house now a days I fit a filling loop up in the loft by the tank and a gate valve . Turn off the gate valve to the tank , speed fit on vent and then turn on filling loop . Works every time . I was caught out on a huge job years ago and I was there for hours trying to full this system. For the time it takes to cut in a loop it's well worth it . Also if you work there again it's a nice thing to have in place .
As an estate manager for 50 properties in the south east UK I'd be biting your hand off to come and get the system up and running at that price (and be extremely thankful that I managed to get hold of a reliable tradesman). I would probably also accept a quote of £250 to do the rad/TRV installs and system fill, but have to accept a caveat of additional charges by the hour to rectify faults exposed on the system you had no direct influence on. Either way if you did the job, it would certainly be followed up with a case of beer as a thanks for getting me out a situation and to keep you sweet for further work! Great vid Mark :)
Do we really earn what people think we earn….. the answer is no!!! Here’s a little overview of the difference in a “Priced” job and an “hourly rate” job…… it’s what people don’t understand…..or appreciate
I would fill after i did the rads. Wit the customer understanding any leaks elsewhere are extra t repair. I would check the drain offs and vents are shut. Minimum i would charge is £280. This would allow your mate to get a drink on top
How much would you charge for exchanging the Main switch coming into the house? I am having a drip and probably need change. I don’t think I could replace this myself. Thanks
Great vid Mark. I’d do £200 plus materials. Then move to an hourly rate at £50 per hour to sort any problems left behind by the previous plumber. Covered both ways then. Looking forward to to seeing how this one goes and whether it all works when pressurised
Great vid Mark. I'd say £300 as well inc materials and state if there are problems on the refill not related to my work done, this will be quotable to rectify. I'd most likely do a dry air pressure test when all rads are on and add that in the price
I reckon 300 is reasonable, I would also pressure test the system with a compressor for 30 mins at 2 bar before filling the system and charge £60 an hour plus material costs for any further repairs that the previous plumber had left
Would like to speak about my experience. I had a guy from same country as me and he gave me a quote for bathroom pipe work without Doing anything on walls and toilet. I wanted to exchange place of the bath ,sink and the electric shower. Also, to put a new towel radiator as replacing the old one . I wanted to keep the pipes as they are for the towel radiator and use elbow to connect it. He had to do extension of pipes and to connect the taps etc. He asked for £900 including all the pipes and stuff he needed. I found it quite expensive and decided doing it myself. I bought everything I needed for £230 and I found the installation quite easy and actually I am enjoying it. Thanks for the good videos and the information about prices etc.
I am a tradesman (not a plumber) and I never do or work with anyone who does hourly rate or day rate. Price is always the most transparent way in my opinion but like you Mark do put a caveat in should there be anything I can't see.
Yes Mark retired now but caught many times. You can spend an hour or more hanging the rad if the wall I plasterboard fitting pieces of wood for fixings etc. Then the old favourite stop cock leaking as soon as you touch it rad valves leaking or passing they were allright before that old chestnut I think your pricing is about right mate, go safe buddy.
It's so much easier to give estimates than quotes, covers you from the get go. Really surprised more people don't give estimates. If I quoted every job I'd quote hundreds over just to cover myself and potentially price myself out of the job
Agrrreee.. 1000% recent mate I suffer this pricing thingy in London almost makes me wanna do nothing lots of the time.. lol.. erfect working Tiff.. lovely work mate
I had a figure of a minimum £300 to take into account any unknown problems. Based in the South East. The fact you were called in to complete another person's job must be appreciated by the customer so in my mind they have to pay for that privilege! Thanks for your content it's so helpful and interesting!
In the South East, especially London, customers expect to be bent over as soon as the tradesman walks in. If they went up to somewhere like Yorkshire they'd probably be lynched in the town centre.
It really does depend where you are in the country IMO. I would only wanna pay £200 in Portsmouth max sorry, £300, sounds like London prices. Up north I'd expect to pay less. I get you having to cover if things go wrong but also depends if you're supplying the TRV or the customer is, and how decent a TRV it is too. You do you mate. If a client can't afford it they find someone else, save up or learn to do it themselves.
I would quote the same for the job if within half hr drive. I would turn all valves off on rads b4 filling same with hot and cold if possible if any leaks on existing charge according to time spent 1st hr free as good will then say £30.00 per hr after plus matsas ur there already. Done 40 years 12 brit gas 28 self. Glad 2 b out of it now but miss the banter with people
In Melbourne Aus we used to charge $220.00 call out incl 1 st 30 mins then $120.00 p/hr plus 10% gst (vat) To move radiator i used to allow 4 hrs, then an extra 1hr for extra radiators, we only charged a hourly rate if the job was to run over a few days. Plus we have mainly sealed systems. Prices have since gone up and now its around $240.$250 call out and At least $140 p/hr I think $1 is equal to about 60p. Jeez i forgot how small english bathrooms are!
I would say you were about right apart from I would say, Price doesn’t include any leaks upstairs or any damage caused if it does leak so I can’t price it until the system is pressurised and tested if there is any problems
To begin with i am not a plumber. But i think that price is really fair, though i suppose it comes down to how tight your own momey is. At the end of the day, you pay for what you get
Great video to the insight of getting tradesmen in. I’m a competent DIYer I would have said about £350 on the understanding that if anything leaked that you did not touch was not covered and would be extra. Based north west UK
Put the rads on then fill with caution. Tell customer a price for the two rads. Any issues found with others work is charged at an additional hourly rate.
Level 2 in training, handyman soloists. I would say £200 (£30 per TRV+£70 per rad) + parts. Strictly - no warranty on other guy's system, only on my workmanship. Invoiced. Hmmm - lots to learn, then... But when I say £150 for the fully tiled bathtub tap change 40 miles away, customer says I'm too expensive. Float valve change: I said £30+parts as it was next door to another job - some kamikaze did it for £25. Solent area.
Thankyou mate, kind words……. When other tradesman comment and can relate to the content I’m making it shows what I’m putting out is “real world plumbing”
Yup I would say but with a proviso of anything either than filling the system and it working. I've just priced and got a replacement 1000 x 400 in a bay about 6m surface copper to put into the bay ground floor £375 inc materials, 3 people were called to quote and I've got it. I didnt price to get the job as wasn't that interested
Great video. I got a firm in few weeks ago to take a small rad off as all the pipe work is 10mm and made a pigs ear of the olive last time i done it myself. I drained the system before he came round. Told them I wanted it brass capped off. The guy turned up and said he doesn’t bother with olives and just hacksaws the pipe below. Then puts plastic caps on try’s to fill the system but both start to drip, so has to drain system again then can’t find 10mm brass caps in van and drives off for 40mins. Comes back puts it not fills the system…….£175! Based in billericay.
Hi Mark, I would expect to pay round about £400 for that job to be done. Keep up the great work Mark and keep the videos coming. I am a service engineer for commercial Dishwashers and Glasswashers.
I'm not a tradesman, but I've dealt with many. With my bathroom refit they all did the same. 1) Look at the quality of the houses on the road 2) assess the cars in the area. 3) Talk to me about my car more than the job. 4) probe into other renovations and guess the value it will add. 5) look up the pay of a BA long haul pilot 6) arrive at a price after 3 weeks of chasing.
Well sir you were not dealing with tradesman but seem to have attracted all the rouges that could not make it as a used car salesman. Or have I just countered my argument with another stereotype🤔
@@Smartie40. car salesmen are no angels, however they differ by being motivated to work and typically try to do a deal, however dubious it may be. Tradesmen tend to pick and choose more and are not afraid of really rinsing the public, presumably to cover the time on the sofa. A recommendation from a fairly wealthy but nieve friend, typically results in a high quote.
Changed 7 rad valves on an old open vent system ... with a 26 yr old boiler badly sludged .. new Trvs done in 3 hrs .. badly air locked another 2 hrs .. all good when leaving .. get a call that evening no heat.. only to return the next day the circulating pump had gone .. the woman was so pissed .. like it was my fault .. the man was cool he got it !!!
Extra radiators, youve answered a question for me here, I wondered adding more rads, do i need to change the flow and return to 22mm but you are adding to the existing 15mm so it must be ok, cool :) thanks
I'm a plumber, 40 years experience and I would give an if all goes well price, 300 quid. Actually chemicals as well and you don't even know if the boiler works. I think if all goes well price applies. May be stick ballofix on the rad pipes and fill up first then you will know all you need to
There are a large number of trades people who undervalue themselves, then it makes those that charge reasonable prices look expensive. Considering there is a shortage of trades people, then trades people really shouldn't be discounting their prices. I know good trades people working all hours, not because they hate going home, but because they need the money. When I've questioned what they charge, it becomes clear that they are undervaluing their skills and not charging enough. Some trades people are really good at what they do, but some are not so good at running a business.
I've got the same kind of pricing structure with all the escorts around here. They give you a fixed quote of £100 for a pop, if you go after 5 mins you ain't getting a discount it's still £100. If you're still going hammer and tongs 90 mins later like me then it's still £100. Some you win some you lose but a happy customer means repeat business and you hopefully claw back your losses on the next shift. Karma and all that jazz.
Hello Mark, I would price that at £350.00 all in for piping up the 2 rads and fitting 2 trv's to the existing 2 rads,If there was an issue with the other rads the address them and price accordingly. I'm a plumber in Surrey (South East). Good luck with it. Regards Mark
About £250 -£300 any problems with the system due to other plumber would be extra charges at hourly rate £40 and I would let the client know that first.
Hi Mark, that bathroom is coming on nicely now. I think you are correct at £300, but if any problems with the other plumbers work or the boiler, that would be extra. As you have said before, always cover yourself. A very interesting film, have a great rest of the week, take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
Apprentice myself, pricing nixers is the worst 🤣 you forgot to add going merchants to collect radiators - materials. Have got caught out on unvented system myself. Always one radiator... Good vid mate
Used to have the same problems mate . Charged £80 fixed rate for a toilet repair ( fill valve / flush valve swap etc) in the hope it would take me an hour. Then you get rusted wing nuts , rusted screws , leaks etc . I charge hourly for small jobs now !
Hi Mark, Coming at you from Sydney, Australia Im a Plumber myself 300 pound sounds about right converted to AUD, here in Sydney it would probably be a fair bit more considering that our prices for copper and materials are dear. Love your content mate keep doing what you do!
@@MJTiffPlumbing honestly, when I bought the Rothenberger pipe freezer I thought I was probably wasting money, but wow since, it's got me out of a few pickles and saved a lot of time. Also when a customer sees you freeze pipes, the acceptable price in their heads goes way up.
I am a retired plumber/ heating engineer. If you are unable to find out the history of the system, then it's a reasonable price, so I think you're good to go.
I always estimate , the top of my printed price says estimate . That’s my get out if anyone says “ but you quoted etc” I now usually charge £40 an hour if it’s local , £150 for half day , £250 for a one off 8 hour day , when I do my bathroom renovations where I can be on a job for up to 12 days , then I charge £230 per day , plus contingency if estimating . You always have to charge more if you’re back and forth on the same job over a few weeks
Exactly what I thought in end. Not only getting all your years of expertise. But a RUclips celebrity lol to boot. I would be also wondering the same with filling up too. Especially tiled walls too. Better get filled quick before a lot more gets done too. Good video and well explained too 👍👍
Being a retired Plumber i think £300 all in , is what i would charge with no guarantee when the system is filled up, there wont be problem i.e leaks on the other side and boiler fault etc....
hi mark hows it going m8 ,,its a hard 1 this as if boiler was running fine easy 2 hours but now id want to check what the other guy has done as i got a bad feeling about this 1
If I were the punter I'd like to discuss it with you and probably work on an hourly rate. Regarding the fill first or not I'd simply ask if it were your house how you would like to proceed with it. I just never understand why people don't put corrosion inhibitor in their systems.
For me quoted jobs on the whole are better, I always quote worst case, 90% of the time it's not that bad, hourly is fine though, if a customer queries the quote once I've done I say, would you pay me more if it took longer than I allowed? Great video, top work
If it’s only connecting up then £200, Dave is hanging them, then £50 an hour to sort out any issues with the rest of the system+ the price of TRV’s if they want them
That job has major alarn bells. The price aint for two rads. It's in a way to take liability for another blokes work. £300. Two rads in a sealed system, normal situation... £150-£200 Labour only. Fab upload. Southport U.K
Hi Mark, great videos. By the way, just a quick question how long would you say a power flush would take to complete if all went OK, and what prices are we talking on a combination boiler five years old.
Good video what you said makes sense. Also i would say most people would prefer people in their house for a shorter time if you can get the same good finish due to your experience. Im not a trade but have mates that are and they get this issue quite a bit
Plumber myself. I was thinking £300 myself and then if any issues with the other work that would be quoted depending what was wrong. I'm in Cambridgeshire
People get it wrong I have heard this from customers towards tradesman so many times they don't understand your paying for 30 plus years of experience. Its insulting to be honest in my personal experience I say get a cowboy In to bodge it but I won't be accepting the phone call to put it right. BTW love your channel mate
In my game (Professional Services/Contracting) all work is either Time & Materials (i.e. day rate) or Fixed Outcome, the only way it can be done really as on average the short "money makers" make up for the long, unexpected "money eaters". Seems the same for people in the trade which makes complete sense, a lot of people just don't have any experience or knowledge of how non-salaried roles/jobs work meaning they think you're taking them for a ride!
I am a plumber. I never got paid per hour. I wouldn't accept it. I just gave a price and that's it, take it or leave it. If the client was thinking I was to expensive I would try explain the costs but I never accepted clients saying per hour or haggling. Your price is your price.
Hi Mark, another great video. If I will do this job I will charge around £450 or more . I will explain why, you take a job from someone and you don’t have any idea what situation with the boiler and existing pipe work. £300 is Ok for this job, for two TRV and pipe two radiators with valves. BUT you need to test the system and the boiler and add the inhibitors after. Also don’t forget about the controller and thermostat if it’s work or you need to install the new one. If the costumer accepts the price is Ok if they not accepted the price good luck for them to keep calling for the previous plumber.
Would be doing an air pressure test on the system before installing anything, if the original plumber didn't make all the connections the repair bill for any water leak would eat away any profit on the job. Its also a good condition of the quote so if it passes the pressure test job is x, if it doesn't then hourly rate to find and fix the original pipework then x to add the new rads.
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Knowing your value is so important as as trades person especially a self-employed person. Not all plumbers are the same, we each bring our own set of experience and qualities/level of integrity to a job. If you are honest, know your stuff and are conscientious then you should charge accordingly. I don’t charge an hourly rate anymore and haven’t for a while… you don’t want to be punished for being more efficient! The changes we make to a property are there for many years… not 2 hours. If I ever feel undervalued before I’ve even started the job then I won’t do it. All the best to you all! Know your worth!
Thanks buddy… great comment
How much can a self employed plumber make that isn't gas certified? Thinking of getting back into it.
Has the other plumber been paid for the work hes done, is that why they cant get hold of him.
Id be very cautious, you know we have to be detectives in this game, theres a lot of people out there that try it on.
I am a heating engineer and just before you revealed your price I said £325:00. I think you’re spot on
Hi Mark. I'm not a tradesman, but I am having a lot of work done on my house at the moment. If you quoted me £300 for that job, I'd think that was reasonable. Fully support local trade people. It's not like buying something that has been manufactured... you guys go into jobs and use your experience and knowledge to make things work. That's what we pay for 👍
Thanks buddy….. 👍🏼👍🏼
Agreed
Thank you for this! As someone having not long started out as self employed it is great to hear your reasoning and seeing how in real life (not sat at the college desk) prices and estimates are worked out for clients. Finding your videos super helpful as you verbalise what you are doing and why.
Thanks for the kind words mate
Hi am 37 , worked from 16 to 33 in various warehouses etc.
Just done initial exam, but failed acs on practical. Just seems so much to it. Unsure to do for 2nd attempt. Thanks videos showing real world!
Am a new starter very interested in the real world thank u for sharing nice one
Thanks mate…. Hope you enjoy the channel
On a big house now a days I fit a filling loop up in the loft by the tank and a gate valve . Turn off the gate valve to the tank , speed fit on vent and then turn on filling loop . Works every time . I was caught out on a huge job years ago and I was there for hours trying to full this system. For the time it takes to cut in a loop it's well worth it . Also if you work there again it's a nice thing to have in place .
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100% agree with the pricing element mate. So many people don't understand all the other costs/expenses we incur being self employed
Exactly mate…… putting it out there just gives people a view of what we have to deal with
As an estate manager for 50 properties in the south east UK I'd be biting your hand off to come and get the system up and running at that price (and be extremely thankful that I managed to get hold of a reliable tradesman). I would probably also accept a quote of £250 to do the rad/TRV installs and system fill, but have to accept a caveat of additional charges by the hour to rectify faults exposed on the system you had no direct influence on. Either way if you did the job, it would certainly be followed up with a case of beer as a thanks for getting me out a situation and to keep you sweet for further work! Great vid Mark :)
Thanks mate, appreciate that and also appreciate that you as an estate manager respect what a good tradesman charges…. Not many do sometimes….👌🏼👏🏼
Do we really earn what people think we earn….. the answer is no!!!
Here’s a little overview of the difference in a “Priced” job and an “hourly rate” job…… it’s what people don’t understand…..or appreciate
My price was exactly the same as yours before you said it, a fair price for the job
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I would fill after i did the rads. Wit the customer understanding any leaks elsewhere are extra t repair. I would check the drain offs and vents are shut.
Minimum i would charge is £280. This would allow your mate to get a drink on top
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How much would you charge for exchanging the Main switch coming into the house? I am having a drip and probably need change. I don’t think I could replace this myself. Thanks
Depends on where the incoming main is and if it can be shut off etc
Great vid Mark. I’d do £200 plus materials. Then move to an hourly rate at £50 per hour to sort any problems left behind by the previous plumber. Covered both ways then. Looking forward to to seeing how this one goes and whether it all works when pressurised
Thanks mate, I’m on it tomorrow so we will see👌🏼😉
I would agree with this pricing too 👍
Odd how it's always "the previous plumber" who gets the blame
£50 an hour all that is wrong with plumbers
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good video thaT mate ive being pumbing for 12 year now and thinking of setting up these videos really help cheers m8
Glad you like them mate
I am a new plumber and I think your prices are very good and thanks for giving us these info keep up the good work
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
I went for 40 each valve 70 per rad =220 no draining. So yeah Mark 80.00 for filling an unknown system,is very reasonable. Awesome video thanks 👍
Thanks Richard👍🏼
Great vid Mark. I'd say £300 as well inc materials and state if there are problems on the refill not related to my work done, this will be quotable to rectify. I'd most likely do a dry air pressure test when all rads are on and add that in the price
Video coming this Sunday of the job😉👍🏼
I general do quick jobs as jn quick repairs tap change ect on hourly. Anything install or drain down fixed price
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I reckon 300 is reasonable, I would also pressure test the system with a compressor for 30 mins at 2 bar before filling the system and charge £60 an hour plus material costs for any further repairs that the previous plumber had left
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Would like to speak about my experience. I had a guy from same country as me and he gave me a quote for bathroom pipe work without Doing anything on walls and toilet. I wanted to exchange place of the bath ,sink and the electric shower. Also, to put a new towel radiator as replacing the old one . I wanted to keep the pipes as they are for the towel radiator and use elbow to connect it. He had to do extension of pipes and to connect the taps etc. He asked for £900 including all the pipes and stuff he needed. I found it quite expensive and decided doing it myself. I bought everything I needed for £230 and I found the installation quite easy and actually I am enjoying it. Thanks for the good videos and the information about prices etc.
I am a tradesman (not a plumber) and I never do or work with anyone who does hourly rate or day rate.
Price is always the most transparent way in my opinion but like you Mark do put a caveat in should there be anything I can't see.
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Yes Mark retired now but caught many times. You can spend an hour or more hanging the rad if the wall I plasterboard fitting pieces of wood for fixings etc. Then the old favourite stop cock leaking as soon as you touch it rad valves leaking or passing they were allright before that old chestnut I think your pricing is about right mate, go safe buddy.
Always something isn’t there buddy
Plus your time and diesel to assess the job and pricing the job as well
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It's so much easier to give estimates than quotes, covers you from the get go. Really surprised more people don't give estimates. If I quoted every job I'd quote hundreds over just to cover myself and potentially price myself out of the job
Yeah I'm the same I give estimates and all my quotes are only valid for 2 weeks
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I’m a spark and that’s what I do 👍
Problem is I can guarantee 9/10 trades people don’t say it cost less than the estimate.
Agrrreee.. 1000% recent mate I suffer this pricing thingy in London almost makes me wanna do nothing lots of the time.. lol.. erfect working Tiff.. lovely work mate
Thanks buddy
I had a figure of a minimum £300 to take into account any unknown problems. Based in the South East.
The fact you were called in to complete another person's job must be appreciated by the customer so in my mind they have to pay for that privilege!
Thanks for your content it's so helpful and interesting!
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In the South East, especially London, customers expect to be bent over as soon as the tradesman walks in. If they went up to somewhere like Yorkshire they'd probably be lynched in the town centre.
It really does depend where you are in the country IMO.
I would only wanna pay £200 in Portsmouth max sorry, £300, sounds like London prices. Up north I'd expect to pay less.
I get you having to cover if things go wrong but also depends if you're supplying the TRV or the customer is, and how decent a TRV it is too.
You do you mate. If a client can't afford it they find someone else, save up or learn to do it themselves.
Consensus across the country is that way too cheap👍🏼👍🏼
I would say £400 it’s a days work that’ll cover you if anything goes wrong south east
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I would quote the same for the job if within half hr drive.
I would turn all valves off on rads b4 filling same with hot and cold if possible if any leaks on existing charge according to time spent 1st hr free as good will then say £30.00 per hr after plus matsas ur there already.
Done 40 years 12 brit gas 28 self.
Glad 2 b out of it now but miss the banter with people
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In Melbourne Aus we used to charge $220.00 call out incl 1 st 30 mins then $120.00 p/hr plus 10% gst (vat)
To move radiator i used to allow 4 hrs, then an extra 1hr for extra radiators, we only charged a hourly rate if the job was to run over a few days. Plus we have mainly sealed systems.
Prices have since gone up and now its around $240.$250 call out and At least $140 p/hr
I think $1 is equal to about 60p. Jeez i forgot how small english bathrooms are!
Nice insight buddy
I would say you were about right apart from I would say, Price doesn’t include any leaks upstairs or any damage caused if it does leak so I can’t price it until the system is pressurised and tested if there is any problems
Exactly that mate
Good afternoon, I would charge in Birmingham £250 all in :)
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To begin with i am not a plumber. But i think that price is really fair, though i suppose it comes down to how tight your own momey is. At the end of the day, you pay for what you get
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Great video to the insight of getting tradesmen in. I’m a competent DIYer I would have said about £350 on the understanding that if anything leaked that you did not touch was not covered and would be extra. Based north west UK
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Put the rads on then fill with caution. Tell customer a price for the two rads. Any issues found with others work is charged at an additional hourly rate.
Exactly that mate👍🏼👌🏼
Level 2 in training, handyman soloists. I would say £200 (£30 per TRV+£70 per rad) + parts. Strictly - no warranty on other guy's system, only on my workmanship. Invoiced. Hmmm - lots to learn, then... But when I say £150 for the fully tiled bathtub tap change 40 miles away, customer says I'm too expensive. Float valve change: I said £30+parts as it was next door to another job - some kamikaze did it for £25. Solent area.
The price seems good to me. Nice to know,I'm about to buy a house amd some of the radiators will need moving or replacing 👌
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I am a tradesman and I really enjoy watching your vids. I can relate a lot
Thankyou mate, kind words……. When other tradesman comment and can relate to the content I’m making it shows what I’m putting out is “real world plumbing”
Yup I would say but with a proviso of anything either than filling the system and it working.
I've just priced and got a replacement 1000 x 400 in a bay about 6m surface copper to put into the bay ground floor £375 inc materials, 3 people were called to quote and I've got it.
I didnt price to get the job as wasn't that interested
👍🏼👌🏼…. We’ve all done that
Great video. I got a firm in few weeks ago to take a small rad off as all the pipe work is 10mm and made a pigs ear of the olive last time i done it myself. I drained the system before he came round. Told them I wanted it brass capped off. The guy turned up and said he doesn’t bother with olives and just hacksaws the pipe below. Then puts plastic caps on try’s to fill the system but both start to drip, so has to drain system again then can’t find 10mm brass caps in van and drives off for 40mins. Comes back puts it not fills the system…….£175! Based in billericay.
Your old him😉👍🏼
Hi mate I’m a sparks I thought around £400 for labour and small amount of materials.
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Hi Mark, I would expect to pay round about £400 for that job to be done. Keep up the great work Mark and keep the videos coming. I am a service engineer for commercial Dishwashers and Glasswashers.
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Totally agree. I am sharing to my Facebook page.
Thanks buddy
I'm not a tradesman, but I've dealt with many. With my bathroom refit they all did the same.
1) Look at the quality of the houses on the road
2) assess the cars in the area.
3) Talk to me about my car more than the job.
4) probe into other renovations and guess the value it will add.
5) look up the pay of a BA long haul pilot
6) arrive at a price after 3 weeks of chasing.
And that’s exactly what I don’t do…..👌🏼
Well sir you were not dealing with tradesman but seem to have attracted all the rouges that could not make it as a used car salesman. Or have I just countered my argument with another stereotype🤔
@@Smartie40. car salesmen are no angels, however they differ by being motivated to work and typically try to do a deal, however dubious it may be. Tradesmen tend to pick and choose more and are not afraid of really rinsing the public, presumably to cover the time on the sofa.
A recommendation from a fairly wealthy but nieve friend, typically results in a high quote.
very well explained, tough job, thanks for making this video
Thanks mate
as a felllow plumber watching along i said £300 as well. Fair price if you ask me dude
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Changed 7 rad valves on an old open vent system ... with a 26 yr old boiler badly sludged .. new Trvs done in 3 hrs .. badly air locked another 2 hrs .. all good when leaving .. get a call that evening no heat.. only to return the next day the circulating pump had gone .. the woman was so pissed .. like it was my fault .. the man was cool he got it !!!
This is what people don’t see or understand
Extra radiators, youve answered a question for me here, I wondered adding more rads, do i need to change the flow and return to 22mm but you are adding to the existing 15mm so it must be ok, cool :) thanks
Depends how many rads your adding
I'm a plumber, 40 years experience and I would give an if all goes well price, 300 quid. Actually chemicals as well and you don't even know if the boiler works. I think if all goes well price applies. May be stick ballofix on the rad pipes and fill up first then you will know all you need to
Cheers buddy….👍🏼👍🏼
Great information, I'll be taking fixed price offers from now on!
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There are a large number of trades people who undervalue themselves, then it makes those that charge reasonable prices look expensive.
Considering there is a shortage of trades people, then trades people really shouldn't be discounting their prices. I know good trades people working all hours, not because they hate going home, but because they need the money. When I've questioned what they charge, it becomes clear that they are undervaluing their skills and not charging enough.
Some trades people are really good at what they do, but some are not so good at running a business.
Agree buddy….
I've got the same kind of pricing structure with all the escorts around here. They give you a fixed quote of £100 for a pop, if you go after 5 mins you ain't getting a discount it's still £100. If you're still going hammer and tongs 90 mins later like me then it's still £100. Some you win some you lose but a happy customer means repeat business and you hopefully claw back your losses on the next shift. Karma and all that jazz.
Brilliant 🤣🤣
Lol your knees are ruined bet they laugh at ya
@@dmheatingplumbing9805 Set of Dewalt knee pads from the van pal, jobs a good 'un 👌
You have to cap everything first and pressurise.
See tonight’s follow up video😉👌🏼
I agree with u as a tradesman. I live in west Wales an would be charging about the same
Thanks mate
450 to 500 quid
2 rads
Trv change over
commissioning boiler
Covering yourself for any other mishap
Happy days south Yorkshire
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Hello Mark,
I would price that at £350.00 all in for piping up the 2 rads and fitting 2 trv's to the existing 2 rads,If there was an issue with the other rads the address them and price accordingly.
I'm a plumber in Surrey (South East).
Good luck with it.
Regards Mark
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
£300 labour. Materials and parts additional.
Any additional parts needed for a potential leak will be priced in later to rectify the job.
London based
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That price sounds bang on, considering 2 TRVs. two new rads and then filling and bleeding the system.
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Plumbing and heating engineer near skipton. I said £300, that makes me feel better 😅
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Great video by the way. Really enjoyed..
Thanks buddy
About £250 -£300 any problems with the system due to other plumber would be extra charges at hourly rate £40 and I would let the client know that first.
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I'm a plumber work on my own, Ltd company. £250 plus materials. I might consider air test the system first. Norfolk, UK
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Spot on mate...........i`m a floorlayer / wetroom installer, i also said £300.......Essex
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Hi Mark, that bathroom is coming on nicely now.
I think you are correct at £300, but if any problems with the other plumbers work or the boiler, that would be extra.
As you have said before, always cover yourself. A very interesting film, have a great rest of the week, take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
Exactly that Chris 😉👍🏼👍🏼…… I’m doing it tomorrow😉
@@MJTiffPlumbing I hope all goes well for you, 👍👍👍
Apprentice myself, pricing nixers is the worst 🤣 you forgot to add going merchants to collect radiators - materials. Have got caught out on unvented system myself. Always one radiator... Good vid mate
Thanks buddy
Used to have the same problems mate . Charged £80 fixed rate for a toilet repair ( fill valve / flush valve swap etc) in the hope it would take me an hour. Then you get rusted wing nuts , rusted screws , leaks etc . I charge hourly for small jobs now !
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Hi I’m in Surrey for what you described I would charge £400 inc pipe & fittings + the vat
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Great vid dying for part 2 very interesting stuff.👍👍👍😎😎😎
It’s filmed and in the can…. Probably on Wednesday mate😉
Hi Mark, Coming at you from Sydney, Australia
Im a Plumber myself 300 pound sounds about right converted to AUD, here in Sydney it would probably be a fair bit more considering that our prices for copper and materials are dear.
Love your content mate keep doing what you do!
Thanks buddy….. love that your watching the channel over there👌🏼👍🏼👍🏼…..
Hit the nail on the head mate. I would charge £250. But word the quote accordingly for all the unknown factors. I am in Essex. 👍
Exactly that mate 👌🏼👍🏼
I don't drain the system down anymore, I just tend to freeze the pipes
Can be a lot quicker
@@MJTiffPlumbing honestly, when I bought the Rothenberger pipe freezer I thought I was probably wasting money, but wow since, it's got me out of a few pickles and saved a lot of time. Also when a customer sees you freeze pipes, the acceptable price in their heads goes way up.
I would definitely fill and test that system before starting any work.
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I am a retired plumber/ heating engineer. If you are unable to find out the history of the system, then it's a reasonable price, so I think you're good to go.
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I'd do 200-300, though I actively avoid rads because it takes ages. I prefer just doing emergency work.
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I normally charge £250 a rad,
Supplied and fitted.
But I will always change the pipe work under the floor so the tails are new copper showing.
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I always estimate , the top of my printed price says estimate .
That’s my get out if anyone says “ but you quoted etc”
I now usually charge £40 an hour if it’s local , £150 for half day , £250 for a one off 8 hour day , when I do my bathroom renovations where I can be on a job for up to 12 days , then I charge £230 per day , plus contingency if estimating . You always have to charge more if you’re back and forth on the same job over a few weeks
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The joys of being self employed and people not understanding, exactly the same as the motor trade and being a mechanic and the business owner
Yep seems to be across the board buddy
Exactly what I thought in end. Not only getting all your years of expertise. But a RUclips celebrity lol to boot. I would be also wondering the same with filling up too. Especially tiled walls too. Better get filled quick before a lot more gets done too. Good video and well explained too 👍👍
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼 it’s all done… video coming soon
I am a plumber!! Love the videos. From Scotland. £300 spot on. Keep up the great work.
👍🏼👍🏼spot on budy
Hi Mark.
Yep £350 for me plus £50 per hour to resolve any unforeseen issues, outside London.
£500 + £70 per hour if it was in London.
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Being a retired Plumber i think £300 all in , is what i would charge with no guarantee when the system is filled up, there wont be problem i.e leaks on the other side and boiler fault etc....
Spot on buddy
hi mark hows it going m8 ,,its a hard 1 this as if boiler was running fine easy 2 hours but now id want to check what the other guy has done as i got a bad feeling about this 1
Don’t say that, I’m on it tomorrow 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Well explained mate.
Thanks buddy
Status of the Boiler is unknown too
Yep true..
If I were the punter I'd like to discuss it with you and probably work on an hourly rate. Regarding the fill first or not I'd simply ask if it were your house how you would like to proceed with it. I just never understand why people don't put corrosion inhibitor in their systems.
Video of this job goes out this Sunday
Could you do a set price for connecting the 2x rads downstairs, then charge hourly rate after to fill system and correct any issues?
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For me quoted jobs on the whole are better, I always quote worst case, 90% of the time it's not that bad, hourly is fine though, if a customer queries the quote once I've done I say, would you pay me more if it took longer than I allowed? Great video, top work
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If it’s only connecting up then £200, Dave is hanging them, then £50 an hour to sort out any issues with the rest of the system+ the price of TRV’s if they want them
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That job has major alarn bells.
The price aint for two rads.
It's in a way to take liability for another blokes work.
£300.
Two rads in a sealed system, normal situation... £150-£200
Labour only.
Fab upload.
Southport U.K
Thanks mate
Hi Mark, great videos. By the way, just a quick question how long would you say a power flush would take to complete if all went OK, and what prices are we talking on a combination boiler five years old.
I always allow a day for a system flush to be honest mate….. don’t want to rush it
Good video what you said makes sense. Also i would say most people would prefer people in their house for a shorter time if you can get the same good finish due to your experience. Im not a trade but have mates that are and they get this issue quite a bit
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Plumber myself. I was thinking £300 myself and then if any issues with the other work that would be quoted depending what was wrong. I'm in Cambridgeshire
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People get it wrong I have heard this from customers towards tradesman so many times they don't understand your paying for 30 plus years of experience. Its insulting to be honest in my personal experience I say get a cowboy In to bodge it but I won't be accepting the phone call to put it right. BTW love your channel mate
Indeed mate…… glad you like the channel👍🏼👍🏼
£300 plus materials is what I would quote Bud 👍👍
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Well said Mark. I can tell you it’s the same in Holland. You earn one and you lose one
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Great video again Mark.. pricing spot on but with the warning if there's other leaks the price changes
Exactly that mate
In my game (Professional Services/Contracting) all work is either Time & Materials (i.e. day rate) or Fixed Outcome, the only way it can be done really as on average the short "money makers" make up for the long, unexpected "money eaters". Seems the same for people in the trade which makes complete sense, a lot of people just don't have any experience or knowledge of how non-salaried roles/jobs work meaning they think you're taking them for a ride!
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I am a plumber. I never got paid per hour. I wouldn't accept it.
I just gave a price and that's it, take it or leave it.
If the client was thinking I was to expensive I would try explain the costs but I never accepted clients saying per hour or haggling.
Your price is your price.
Hi Mark, another great video. If I will do this job I will charge around £450 or more . I will explain why, you take a job from someone and you don’t have any idea what situation with the boiler and existing pipe work. £300 is Ok for this job, for two TRV and pipe two radiators with valves. BUT you need to test the system and the boiler and add the inhibitors after. Also don’t forget about the controller and thermostat if it’s work or you need to install the new one. If the costumer accepts the price is Ok if they not accepted the price good luck for them to keep calling for the previous plumber.
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Would be doing an air pressure test on the system before installing anything, if the original plumber didn't make all the connections the repair bill for any water leak would eat away any profit on the job. Its also a good condition of the quote so if it passes the pressure test job is x, if it doesn't then hourly rate to find and fix the original pipework then x to add the new rads.
Yep it’s been mentioned to the customer if there is any issues it’s not on me and it’s extra