Shadow Generations Did Chaos Island Better

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  • Опубликовано: 30 окт 2024

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  • @DolphynsDeck
    @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад +13

    27:43 - lemme elaborate on something (boss spoilers)
    when I say we couldn't "really challenge him hiding in the shadows" I mean you specifically couldn't go INTO the shadows with him (obviously you could pop him out of the floor to attack him in 06)

  • @comicfan1324
    @comicfan1324 3 дня назад +33

    The shadow fan boy and me feels very validated by the fact we now know canonically Shadow only lost because he let Sonic win.
    Honestly I wouldn’t even care if they said “sonic would still be able to defeat him, shadow is just capping“. It just feeds into that childish side of my brain that wants to see my favorite character win despite the evidence.
    Edit: in case everyone missed it shadow said that he would only beat sonic when they are on equal terms implying that he felt his doom powers gave him an unfair advantage which is likely why he hesitated to use them against the blue hedgehog in the cut scene. Also a part of that could be that he doesn’t want to do permanent damage to sonic since shadow with his doom powers seems to be almost comparable to his super form. And despite their rivalry shadow has immense respect for sonic and isn’t going to kill him over a grudge match.

    • @comicfan1324
      @comicfan1324 3 дня назад +7

      This is my personal headcanon, but I truly believe sonic and shadow are equal in strength and speed (Omega even states as much in this game) and the winner of their fights normally will come down to circumstances out of their control or whoever has the most chaos emeralds to enhance their already impressive strength.
      Shadow might be able to defeat sonic if he goes all out and removed his inhibitor rings, however shadow seems honorable enough to fight sonic on equal terms without needing to resort to such a tactic. Besides we all know sonic normally pulls his punches so who’s to say sonic wouldn’t be able to tough it out if push came to shove.

    • @Jhxze
      @Jhxze 3 дня назад +5

      ​@@comicfan1324I think your mostly correct but imo shadow said he will only fight sonic on equal terms because he thinks the doom powers are not something he earned and something that black doom gave him, we even see him lose those powers after he defeats black doom meaning that they truly were never his powers.

    • @FluppietheRockruffFan
      @FluppietheRockruffFan 3 дня назад +2

      @@Jhxze Nah, knowing Sega, those abilities are coming back to make Shadow unique from Sonic in gameplay and I am 100% here for it

    • @Jhxze
      @Jhxze 3 дня назад +3

      @@FluppietheRockruffFan I said that he lost them because in the final cutscene we see that the wings dissolved, if he would have retracted them I would agree that they will use it in the future, but they kinda just faded. I don't know how they could bring them back without involving black doom again, so I highly doubt they are gonna be part of shadow moving forward

    • @Vigil325
      @Vigil325 3 дня назад

      Problem is, is that shadow definitely used chaos spear in the original fight

  • @comicfan1324
    @comicfan1324 3 дня назад +15

    Yeah, but chaos island levels are really good. The only thing that I think could’ve made it cooler would be if there was a section of the level where SQUID appears and you have to run across its translucent purple trail and destroy it before you can move on. And with that you can use chaos control to stop it to destroy it quicker.
    Not only do I think that would be pretty neat but it would be a nice home March to everyone’s favorite “jumpscare” from the game

    • @lokic-ug2sc
      @lokic-ug2sc 2 дня назад

      LIVE SQUID REACTION

    • @Cosmik60
      @Cosmik60 День назад

      imagine a mid-stage scene being a SPIDER throwing you into the air for a skydiving section

    • @lokic-ug2sc
      @lokic-ug2sc День назад

      The question being: How does it not miss, get dodged or scared off by Shadow's superiority?

  • @Dots988
    @Dots988 3 дня назад +8

    Dude, im not gonna lie, chaos island was my most hyped stage in this game. Already this island has like the most interesting and diverse environments but then they turn it into a boost stage which was beautifully transferred over. Maybe because its so fresh in my mind by playing frontiers over and over, but the references just WORK and i get ever little detail, especially the ZAP symbol. I love how they use all the frontiers enemies especially, just makes the level so good, almost like a dlc map! The only thing i wished occurred is if missions changed scenery like og gens, chaos island should take place in cyberspace, not the regular cyberspace levels but the memories of the end destroying the ancients. That’d be so sick aughhhh.
    Also something that drives me insane is that shadow generations says the purple goop made from mephilis is called get this “corruption”. THAT BRINGS UP SO MANY QUESTIONS. Like already we have two tribes in the sonic lore called the ancients, and then we have this. Does this mean mephilis could technically survive in cyberspace? Or is this just another case of hahaha coincidence. IM LOSING MY MIND NOW AUGHHHH.

  • @comicfan1324
    @comicfan1324 3 дня назад +8

    9:30 glad to see I’m not the only one who got a sudden surge of nostalgia seeing the Hot Springs over there.
    The frontiers and forces nostalgia really hit hard for me since unlike all the other mainline games represented in generations which were released before I joined this fandom, those two are games I experienced alongside everyone so it just hits different I suppose

  • @traktor420
    @traktor420 3 дня назад +3

    Ngl, chaos island might be my favorite level, it’s just so cool being able to recognize these hyper specific areas from chaos island. It’s not just ‘oh it’s this level theme again’, you’re actually like recognizing specific landmarks as you go along with

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад +2

      It reminds me of stages in Smash how they use all kinds of recognizable set pieces - they even include stuff from the other islands so nothing is left out.

  • @GustyPlus
    @GustyPlus 3 дня назад +7

    Great video as always! Your reactions to callbacks even from widely disliked games like Forces are always so joyful and positive. Keep up the great work, loving the playthrough thus far.

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад +1

      Ayyy thanks for turning into all of them! I know it's different from what I usually do but a new Sonic game always captivates my attention for at least a week. So much to analyze :D
      I specifically find poorly received things the most interesting. The Ark has *so* much focus in this game and its marketing so I actually have the least interest in that. Reimagining a good game is nowhere near as interesting to me. I enjoy the black sheep because they typically have good ideas that can be iterated on. Even Sonic Boom had puzzles that made it into Frontiers.

  • @normalichu
    @normalichu 2 дня назад +1

    09:22 Ah, 2D Chaos Island, as Kishimoto intended

  • @comicfan1324
    @comicfan1324 3 дня назад +3

    29:40 this has to be my favorite Mephiles quote now. You can just tell how desperate he is. Mephiles has finally discovered a slimmer of a chance to restore himself to the timeline, but in the end he wasn’t a match for a Shadow

  • @dprototype6431
    @dprototype6431 3 дня назад +6

    Of course you clip through the floor while fighting the 06 boss. Still a really cool fight nonetheless. I love how they leaned into Mephiles’ “mad god” aspect.

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад

      Mephiles has never been half as calm and collected as he wants you to think lol

    • @yoursonisold8743
      @yoursonisold8743 2 дня назад

      I have literally never seen anyone expereince that glitch in this fight and I watched a lot of playthrough by now. It's really funny to still get surprised by the game.

  • @comicfan1324
    @comicfan1324 3 дня назад +4

    18:33 Well the boost gauge is clearly still there but the fact that it almost feels like you don’t have to worry about how much boosting you do most of the time really shows how thought out the map was. They give you a decent amount of rings in every area to recharge your gauge

    • @jsrhedgehog9981
      @jsrhedgehog9981 3 дня назад

      I think the rings in the hub world just give you MUCH more gadgets than they do in levels.

  • @comicfan1324
    @comicfan1324 3 дня назад +3

    26:00 I’m just gonna say it: best boss in the game
    And I love how it is just a full on love letter to the longtime fans. Unless you go out of your way to open up the chests that summarize the events of sonic 06, the game does not explain who or what Mephiles is. Even neo metal sonic is explained to you by Omega if you go out of your way to talk to him.
    So if you’re a new fan to the series you’ll be just as confused as shadow is when this guy shadow clearly doesn’t know is talking as if they have this grand history and understandably the villain is very annoyed when he realizes shadow has once more forgotten who he is.
    Also as you mentioned in your gameplay it is nice to be fighting an enemy that is just as big as you are for a change since every other boss in the game is some enormous monster. Sure methyl us briefly turns into one of his larger enemy types near the end of the fight but for the most part you’re fighting someone on equal footing as shadow in terms of scale.
    And quite frankly my favorite part of this fight is how pathetic and desperate Mephiles is during the battle. He may talk a big game but he has truly fallen from grace. He was once a God that destroyed all of reality just by reforming with Iblis, Now he’s desperately fighting just to exist… And he’s losing. He is truly been outclassed by shadow at this point. As the ultimate life form says there is no future for him anymore

  • @jezd2223
    @jezd2223 3 дня назад +1

    i love the appreciative commentary, it's all non-stop looking into what you're playing and finding something new to experience or finding a thing to mention, it's very unique, but it's also very fun seeing someone's genuine reaction while they keep a keen eye on details

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад +1

      I'm glad you enjoyed it! It's rewarding to find new things to talk about. It seems a lot of the stuff I find interesting doesn't get verbalized by others so why not do it myself?

  • @XLegendd7
    @XLegendd7 3 дня назад

    2:50 my exact face once I heard the whitespace music lol. This zone is super fun to revisit all the time. I love the volcano explosion that happens on the rail, and how shadow covers his eyes because its very bright. Some great attention to detail in these levels

  • @Karianysu
    @Karianysu 3 дня назад +1

    That was the most Adventure vibe scene since Heroes. Peak

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  2 дня назад

      I need more rival interactions like this bruh

  • @EmeraldJZstudio
    @EmeraldJZstudio 3 дня назад +27

    Bro there is a sonic mod that changes shadow into sonic it actually pretty cool but it says it only 23% done but you can still download and use it
    WHEN YOUR DONE WITH THE GAME THEN DOWNLOAD IT because your still not done with the game

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад +3

      I have the whole game recorded, beat it on the 22nd :)
      I'm working on some modding videos at the same time as this, don't worry

    • @EmeraldJZstudio
      @EmeraldJZstudio 3 дня назад +1

      @@DolphynsDeck didn’t know bro sorry I was busy with stuff so I couldn’t see the live stream or video because of a tone of stuff happening in my area

  • @the-fantasiacs
    @the-fantasiacs 3 дня назад

    everything in this epsiode was just that 1 hour PERFECTION AGE during gameplay, back to back peak

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  2 дня назад

      The last 2 videos before this had me thinking 'this is my favorite one' but this episode came in to clean up

  • @a.z.pantera5577
    @a.z.pantera5577 3 дня назад +1

    Mephiles in this game is voiced by Robbie Daymond apparently. Not quite the same as Dan Green, but I think he does a commendable job. Really solid dude as well.

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад

      When he wants to be deep he can replicate Dan's performance really well. At first I didn't know how to feel about a higher pitched Mephiles but after listening to it countless times I'm seeing how it could work. Not bad

    • @flipside2086
      @flipside2086 3 дня назад +1

      @@DolphynsDeck it fits the Mephiles we see in this game quite well. One who has been presumably trapped in White Space since the end of 06. A desperate god who sees the last chance he is going to get for a while to come back. Though with all the hype I saw surrounding Mephiles there is no way this is the end for him.

  • @JAXPLAYS123
    @JAXPLAYS123 3 дня назад +1

    Mephiles is actually voiced by Roger in this game so was omega in dark beginnings

    • @Sklumbo
      @Sklumbo 3 дня назад +6

      Mephiles is not voiced by Roger in this game

  • @flipside2086
    @flipside2086 3 дня назад

    Chaos Island is great and in my opinion it is the most positive indication of where Sonic could be going with his more traditional levels. Taking an Open Zone level and making it a pretty long level is incredible work. It's not my favourite level (the 06 defender in me won't let anything but the 06 level take that spot.) but Chaos Island is a phenomenal stage that i was not expecting to be as good as it was. I expected it to be fine, but akin to Planet Wisp in how gimmicky it was. (though unlike the wisps the Doom powers are infinitely more engaging.)

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  2 дня назад

      Doom Powers are snappy and just work with a quick button press compared to Wisps
      KV, SH, and Chaos Island back to back proved to me that we've finally returned to Unleashed's level quality and might've surpassed it. That, added on with Generation's return to a typical Sonic aesthetic gives me chills. It was so cool seeing the Soldiers and Cyclones as regular enemies like the badniks
      (Though I'd love a chance to use complex combat again)

  • @God-xd1wr
    @God-xd1wr 3 дня назад +2

    28:41 Sonic 06 reference

    • @carso1500
      @carso1500 2 дня назад

      I wonder how dhat happened this is the first bug that I see from the dozens of gameplays that I have watched in the last couple of days

  • @ParapsSplatoon
    @ParapsSplatoon 3 дня назад

    Dude chaos island and mephiles back to back is where this game peaks man. I love its ending, but i just love chaos’ act and mephiles’ fight a bit more.

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  2 дня назад +1

      Chaos into Sonic into Mephiles with a full underground dungeon was WILD. Gotta agree with you here. We even get Rouge as an NPC!

    • @ParapsSplatoon
      @ParapsSplatoon 2 дня назад

      @@DolphynsDeck GOD I LOVE THE MEPHILES DUNGEON. ITS SO COOL HOW HE HAS HIS OWN SPECIAL LITTLE HELL OF NEVER RETURNING. It sucks so much its so cool man

  • @yoursonisold8743
    @yoursonisold8743 3 дня назад

    I would say that a boss that is a huge monster can still be cool if that monster can talk. Like Metal Overlord for example.

  • @clairemcdaid4310
    @clairemcdaid4310 3 дня назад

    Thinking about it seeing chaos island here must have been like seeing planet wisp in the original generations

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  2 дня назад

      I used to think ab this so much with original Gens. Happy to see the tradition alive and well

  • @FluppietheRockruffFan
    @FluppietheRockruffFan 3 дня назад

    Also tbf SM2 and Shadow Generations both feature a protagonist that eventually purifies an goopy alien power, making it their own sooooo

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад

      They're trying to capitalize on Sonic X Shadow's success smh

  • @benji777tm
    @benji777tm 3 дня назад

    They got Robbie Daymond instead of Dan. Robbie is best known for Prompto in FFXV, Akechi in P5 and Spider-Man in the 2017 DisneyXD show & Marvel VS Capcom Infinite.

  • @EzBeeZerK
    @EzBeeZerK 3 дня назад +1

    14:13 you missed it, but shadow said he will beat sonic on equal terms or not at all he threw on purpose because if he’s gonna beat sonic he wants to be fair plus if he beat sonic in a fight, sonic would probably just return later and bother him so he just gave him the fake emerald so W shadow for outsmarting sonic instead of just whipping his ass like he could any other day

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад +1

      I mean, I did acknowledge that he had it all planned out
      I agree that he threw but Sonic did catch him off guard and beat him 🤷

    • @renansantos6533
      @renansantos6533 3 дня назад

      Except that he never whoop his ass in Canon lol

    • @EzBeeZerK
      @EzBeeZerK 3 дня назад

      True he never whooped him in canon but that’s because they only fought sa2 and generations, but there are multiple shadow endings of shadow killing sonic so there’s that I know it’s not canon but it’s another possibility of what would’ve happened so shadow is capable But it’s crazy out shadow just let sonic whoop his ass like that that shit’s wild but it did pay off for shadow

    • @renansantos6533
      @renansantos6533 3 дня назад

      @@EzBeeZerK But these endings aren’t canon. Só he never did anyway.

    • @EzBeeZerK
      @EzBeeZerK 3 дня назад

      @@renansantos6533 I know but he is capable

  • @ilive4adventureL2_shadow
    @ilive4adventureL2_shadow 3 дня назад +1

    When i got doom wing i said ' sonic x shadow gens? No. Sonic x BATMAN gens

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад +1

      Hilarious you say this bc I've been reading a lot of Batman lately in honor of the DC Sonic collab and I also got Arkham Asylum earlier today lol

    • @ilive4adventureL2_shadow
      @ilive4adventureL2_shadow 3 дня назад +1

      Lol

  • @benji777tm
    @benji777tm 3 дня назад

    They got Robbie Daymond instead of Dan. Robbie is best known for Prompto in FFXV, Akechi in P5, and Spider-Man in the 2017 DisneyXD show & Marvel VS Capcom Infinite.

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад

      Isn't he also the main character of Hi-Fi Rush? I recognize him from P5 the most. Very interesting voice to go with considering how deep Dan's Mephiles is

  • @ben2895
    @ben2895 3 дня назад

    So, I don't know if you heard that line, because you cut it out of the video, but Mephiles actually says "Did you forget about me AGAIN!?", which means that he does remember Shadow. And that was actually one of my biggest hopes for this boss fight, because it's just funny to see Mephiles realising that the person who literally sealed forgot him on 2 separate occasions.
    And also, that just made me realize another similarity between Mephiles and Infinite. Shadow basically made them who they are now, yet he didn't remember them in their second encounter. (Although both of them had different reasons for why Shadow didn't remember them)

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад

      Whoops didn't realize I cut that part. I don't remember my reaction but I probably chuckled lol
      I've played the boss fight ~8 times now so I'm well acquainted 😎

  • @osbren8816
    @osbren8816 2 дня назад

    hey, now that u think of it, thats why u cant use super sonic before the bossfight even tho he has all the emeralds!

  • @Grim-c8n
    @Grim-c8n 18 часов назад

    28:41 Well at least it's faithful to the source material XD

  • @LyricMMX
    @LyricMMX 3 дня назад

    4:30 that complaint doesn't make sense seeing as the Ancients had Mechs that we're made out of Metal.. the story of Sonic Frontiers was basically Evangellion told from an outsiders perspective.. why doesn't it make sense for a Civilization of beings with Literal Mechs to have floating Metal

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  2 дня назад

      Because that's not their style of metal or architecture type. The cyberspace portals and temples were made entirely of stone. It's also kinda ugly

  • @RoRothedude
    @RoRothedude 3 дня назад +1

    you look like Steve rogers

  • @chillvibes7387
    @chillvibes7387 2 дня назад

    How did you do that continuous slide thing at 4:16?

  • @shadowfoxx5153
    @shadowfoxx5153 3 дня назад +1

    Shadow in smash when?

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад

      When Sakurai starts caring about Sonic in any capacity

  • @THETECHFROMJIMNIM
    @THETECHFROMJIMNIM 2 дня назад

    Im just here wondering why tf is he in choas island and sunset heights, the never explained it

    • @carso1500
      @carso1500 2 дня назад

      Gerald literaly does, it's as simple as the time eater pulling shit from the future it's the time eater not the past eater

    • @THETECHFROMJIMNIM
      @THETECHFROMJIMNIM 2 дня назад

      @carso1500 i should stop overthinking shit

  • @frickerrific2813
    @frickerrific2813 3 дня назад +3

    Nah shadow didn’t lose he gave up because he didn’t want an unfair fight

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад

      Guess so, but Sonic does kinda trample him in his own story which is what I'm going off of

  • @thebombingsoda
    @thebombingsoda 2 дня назад

    Shadow generations did a lot of things better

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  2 дня назад

      I should compare these two HE2 games and point out what each game did better. I think there's a lot of movement in Frontiers that was better than this game and vice versa. If these two teams worked together I could cry a tear of joy.

  • @CrystalDreamcast
    @CrystalDreamcast 3 дня назад

    21:13 There is

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  2 дня назад

      This was recorded the day the game came out lol

    • @CrystalDreamcast
      @CrystalDreamcast 2 дня назад

      @@DolphynsDeck I’m assuming you’re gonna be making a video on it, huh?

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  2 дня назад

      Planning to :)

  • @Shaodwplays2009
    @Shaodwplays2009 3 дня назад +1

    1st he fell off

  • @pvz.peashooter-
    @pvz.peashooter- 3 дня назад

    i dont think spider man 2 on pc announcement realeased at the same time as sonic x shadow gens for attention since the realease date if the actual pc release is a year ahead of sxsg, and the fact that since im a spider man and marvel fan i had really no care for sonic x shadow gens or the fact that they realeased at the same time because something realeasing at almost about the same time doesn't mean there just realesing the announcement for attention because 3 months or 4 months away from a actual release for a trailer/announcement is a standard date of announcement before the actual release. Sonic always have to trash talk about anything even when its barely even related to each other or they always have to say something about it.

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад

      Yeah man I was trash talking the game I have on my wishlist LOL

    • @pvz.peashooter-
      @pvz.peashooter- 3 дня назад

      @@DolphynsDeck nah but its good though. not tryna say anything bad abt you or the sonic community as i was really into sonic about 2 years ago

  • @Caprisk_official
    @Caprisk_official 3 дня назад +3

    20 minutes only 17 likes bro fell off

    • @DolphynsDeck
      @DolphynsDeck  3 дня назад +7

      If I cared as much as you I would probably stop posting at night

    • @samirjohnson4524
      @samirjohnson4524 2 дня назад

      I can’t wait for this joke to die down