General Grievous was a force to be reckoned with in this show. The movies make him look like a pushover. The clone wars made him scary and a horrible enemy. But they’re nothing compared to this adaption. Never forget the OG captain Fordo
Lucas gave the creators free reign, but he never wanted Grievous to be that powerful cuz it would've undermined Vader in ROTS. The same could be said about Jango Fett in AOTC. He wanted Dooku to be the big powerful baddie, so he could only allow Jango a couple badass moments. You don't have to agree with it, it's just how he approached it.
Just saying, all Grievous did in ROTS was cough. They expected people to watch the animated show to see how he was that way. Hello, this show was pretty much aimed for kids and die hard fans. Idc if he’s a powerful warrior but those who saw him for the first time in theaters must’ve been confused out of their minds
The best part of this show was always the action sequences. That’s how Genndy Tartokovski reels you in. You read what the action is and you can feel the tension in every scene. But my personal favorite part would have to be when Mace Windu is battling all those droids and even blowing them up with his bare hands. And at the end he gets water from a local kid who happened to be in the area watching it all.
Genndy knows how to let the action explain the story. After all he did created the Powerpuff Girls, samurai Jack, symbiotic titan, and primal his newest show.
It's so awesome that someone is giving this series The recognition it deserves I loved watching this as a kid. I also still have the General Grievous action figure from this series still in its box.
I disagree as I have seen so many people saying this show is an amazing character story while the 2008 show sucks and I am sick of that because both shows are good and I am glad he likes both instead of just hating on one or the other.
16:51 The symbolism of an enraged Anakin striking wildly at a downed opponent shouldn't be lost on anyone; Ventress is in pretty much the same position and stance as Vader is when Luke cuts off one of his hands on the Second Death Star
I heard a theory that the 2003 series is the actual events of the Clone Wars and that the later 2008 series is the "propaganda" that the Galactic Republic wanted the people to believe was happening. I don't know about that theory but either way I still love this series.
@@GManJR75 well this ones story was done by the actual lucas arts team when it was still george lucas, and the 2008 one was not.. pretty sure this one is canon to the story and the 2008 one isn't.
@@imyouralibi6208 so true. I find i Don't like 2008 as much as 2003. It misses so many key moments. This series actually mentions women and children and we see Anakin's expression and we see his trials
The scene 12:00, where the males comes back to the tribe but get looked as monsters, and then a child recognizes his father and embraces him. That goddamn scene always brings tears to my eyes.
I wasn’t alive when this was made and I have never watched this, but a few months or years ago I saw Anakin and Ventress dueling and it was epic. Especially when Anakin grabbed the red saber. So yeah I guess this is a pretty underrated show
They would rather have a cowardly grievous that Obiwan abasoulty wrecks in a lightsaber duel than the 03 Badass grevious that would without a doubt beat the hell out of obiwan in a duel
Technically it was Lucasfilm who made star wars clone wars (2003) non canon since star wars the clone wars (2008) became the official canon for star wars but once Disney bought Lucasfilm in 2012 they kept the cgi clone wars canon but yeeted the EU into oblivion
The over-the-top force powers make me glad it's not literally canon. But like all Legends, various versions of these stories may or may not be true in part or whole. So, for things not covered elsewhere, it doesn't mean they absolutely didn't happen.
Same! I'm trying to watch the 2008 show, and only being halfway through season 1 both Grievous and Ventress are extremely disappointing. They are such 1-dimensional, moustache-twirling villains whose best skill is running away.
@@3dstuff654 And that's just the issue: I don't feel I can even reach season 3 because every time I try to keep going through season 1, I immediately stop after watching one episode. Season 1 just feels so rushed, both in concept and execution. One episode had Anakin be badly hurt, but there was no real sense of dread and he was better by the end of the episode anyway. It's just tough to get to the good stuff when you got people giving you different advice on whether or not to watch the first two seasons. And Ventress seems really 1-dimensional so far, she has even less personality and expressions compared to Tartakovsky's Clone Wars, which is disappointing. I'd only watch TCW for the clone troopers, to be honest. I don't care much about anyone else beyond Obi-Wan, and then I also think Darth Maul shouldn't have been fan-fic'd back to life for fan service. Let the original characters stand on their own without relying on bringing dead fan-favorites back from the dead (my biggest complaint about The Rise of Skywalker, also).
@@blitzgirl6522 I honestly think you should watch it you have no idea how much it changes, also you don't have to watch all the series, loads of people just skip to the good epesodes ,it's an anthology series and loads of season 1 and 2 isnt important , there's loads of epesode guides of essential epesodes you need to watch to watch the clone wars and still enjoy it while only seeing what's necessary, id suggest searching one up, that way you can watch the really good epesodes of the series and skip the filler
My head canon is like this: after Episode 2, I watch the original clone wars cartoon all the way up to the knighting of anakin (It’s also a nice smooth transition into the start of the war). That way we can see the proper introduction of ventress and grievous and the start of the change between anakin and obiwans relationship. After watching it, i didn’t notice anything that really breaks the cannon, so i think these first couple of episodes can fit in nicely in canon and it’s a good prologue to clone wars 2008. I recommend watching it like this, it’s a good way to watch the whole war of the franchise.
It feels like this one was more designed to explain how we got from 2 - 3, whereas the 2008 show just felt like they wanted to humanize the clones. Yeah that’s great and all, but they barely show up in the films and in the grand scheme of things really don’t matter. Their only purpose is to be slaves to Order 66
Have to disagree with everyone saying early knighting is a good thing. Becoming a Knight requires more than just skill, it takes genuine maturity and self control, two things Anakin was definitely lacking in episode 2, he needed to become more mature in order to earn that position and prove he had improved as a Jedi, not just as a warrior since Episode 2. In the 2008 version, he was knighted only 2 months after Geonosis, which makes no sense lore wise or for his character, it would take time for him to actually change and mature and to actually prove that he did change and mature since then. He didn't deserve to be Obi-Wan's peer yet, he still deserved to be his underling requiring mentoring, the final months of the Clone Wars are when he really starts becoming his master's equal in many ways and finally maturing and becoming patient and responsible.
@@an0rangutan it does make sense, but you are otherwise absolutely right. pressure from the war (and Palpatine) was making the council fast track things which would normally get A LOT more due consideration.
@Tom Ffrench No-one becomes that much more mature in just a couple of months and why doesn't it make sense for him to be knighted near the end of the war?
@Tom Ffrench The only reason he wants to become a master is because he wants access to the forbidden archives to learn new powers that can save Padmé, that's why it was such a big deal to him. Even if he became a Knight 2 months before that, (which I believe it's closer to a year anyway) he still needs to become a master in his eyes, it's a necessity.
you forgot something. When Anakin was attacking Ventress, we saw Ventress on the ground, weakly holding up her lightsaber desperately trying to block attack after attack as Anakin slams his blade into hers. This mirrors Luke's and Vader's duel, when Luke defeated Vader before being asked to kill him by the Emperor.
lmfao Dooku also made Grievous look like a bum in training and that was after grievous bodied two jedi nearly killed two others and wouldve killed the last one if it wasnt for them fkn Clones
Thank you! Someone finally speaks the truth. Do you have any idea how hyped I was for both Mace and Grevious because of this show!? I ended up being disappointed in the 3rd movie because of how little of them there were.
I have watched this micro series maybe three times now and never once even noticed the foreshadowing at the end with the big animal things. Specifically with the little girl seeing her father for who she truly is foreshadowing return of the jedi! Absolutley Brilliant!
This series has my favorite versions of General Grievous and Shaak Ti, the fight where Grievous fought 6 Jedi was amazing, and the scene where he kidnaps Palpatine. Shaak Ti fighting off the Magna Guards was so cool. Another great moment was the Anakin vs Ventress fight, Anakin tanking a force push only to return with a harder one was awesome and I loved the foreshadowing of his turn to the dark side. And don’t even get me started on Mace Windu punching battle droids 😂.
Personally i love both of these shows, but i really think that this is the Legends clone wars and TCW is canon clone wars, not legends. I know technically TCW is both canon and legends but TCW contradicts so much great story telling like Grievous, Jango, Dooku, Death Watch, Mandalorian civil war, clones adopting Mandalorian culture etc. that in my own opinion TCW doesnt fit in Legends at all. But again as i said i still think both series are absolutely great, but one fits legends better ant the other in canon.
After watching Clone Wars (2003) I am amazed at how good it was! I loved Grevious, OMG I seriously cannot understand how The Clone Wars (2008) would change his character! In the 03 version, his method of brute force, intimidation and suprise never once made me question why the Jedi couldn't just Force crush him. In the 08 version I am yelling at my screen, "crush him!" It just made no sense. I also loved the Coruscant battle. So good. The shows depiction of the Jedi's power, whilst sometimes over the top, is just amazing! I loved it!
Always loved how Palpatine makes fun of Grievous and pokes fun at him. At the same time he knows Grievous is an absolute killing machine. While Grievous can’t do anything.
I watched both seasons as they aired. Even though they were just 5 minute episodes in the first season. I even set up a camera to record the tv when they were on so I could rewatch them, because I didn’t have a VCR for my room. They were that amazing.
Same here! I remember when the first season ended on that Yoda cliffhanger and got so mad. We were at a family friend’s house when season 2 aired and I went straight to the TV to catch it
12:11 Goddammit, your comparison between the Warriors story and Anakin's story in the films made me tear up because I never made that connection before! I really need to rewatch the 2003 series, which still holds a special place in my heart (I drew 2003 Grievous so much back then!). I've been trying to watch the 2008 series, but it's...very difficult...
You got to give props to those ARC troopers. During the battle of Muunilist, Captain Fordo's team only had one casualty, and the whole time they communicated with just hand signs. (The head animator appreciated action over words, so that's why there is so little dialogue, and he also made Sim-bionic Titan and Samurai Jack)
i love how you describe how the show does storytelling without any exposition. "show, don't tell" is gendys art, in stark contrast to twc (exposition exposition exposition..)
If it wasn't clear before he made Primal, Genndy is literally THE master of "Show don't tell" He is a phenomenal storyteller and can do more in 3 minutes what most people can accomplish with 15, 22, or even 120 minutes.
@@an0rangutan holy shit i totally freaked out when i saw that an orangutan hadcommented on my comment. yes i was smokin weed but still Apart from that, yeah i totally agree, could have described genndy better
My main criticism with the 2008 series was how blunt the foreshadowing was. The 2003 series left it masterfully subtle where you had to think to get often to get while the canon series often felt like Dave Filoni would slap a sticker and yell SEE IT YET!? DO YOU SEE THE FORESHADOWING!?. Don't get me wrong I love both equally but this one of a fair few criticism's I have with the 2008 series
JulzBrad 1996 true but that show doesn’t make a lot of sense for a number of reasons 1)it suppose to be a 3 year war but it feels like it’s been 10 years 2)it makes no sense that Anakin was made a knight directly after AOTC Etc
JulzBrad 1996 but the thing is we saw his personality in AOTC and he did not have the maturity to be made a knight at that point that why the 2003 is better in my opinion because you see how Anakin matured to the point where he is knighted
JulzBrad 1996 the problem is in the 2008 version which takes place only a month after AOTC Anakin acts likes a mature adult and stays that way throughout which sucks because he doesn’t really have character development and it’s very distracting and weird considering he’s only 19
Also i love how like you said this series fits much more perfectly into the movies than the 2008 clone wars series with no loose ends needing to be tied up. Ironically despite it not being canon, it feels much more congruent than the 2008 clone wars series.
It won an Emmy and fits in with the movies much better, yet Star Wars fans still insist the new series is better, even when the new series ruins characters and has arcs that most people would call, "bland," "boring," or even, "mediocre."
Thank you for this vid man! I love this series more than the clone wars for the same reasons you mentions. Whenever I start a marathon I just watch this between epII and III just like you. Back in the cartoon network days I was alway in front of the tv every week for a new episode. The perfect marathon is started with EP I-II then clone wars, ep III, R1, and IV-V-VI. Keep up the good work!
Hey man, you definitely earned my subscription with this video analysis, a lot of what you said is spot on. Great content, I'll be sticking around to see what else you cook up.
finally, someone who rates this series highly! I never saw any american cartoons as a kid, but I did see this one. Buying whatever pirated DVDs to get the next season. This is what got me into Star Wars. And plus, I do think the battles should be exaggerated as they were in this film. We are talking about trillions of lives at stake. That's one of the only gripes Ive had with the newer Clone Wars, not really fitting the scale of the conflict. That and the fact that we never saw Anaking grow like the video says.
Exactly. There are so many times the Jedi could've used the force in TCW and they just don't. They're constantly nerfed for the sake of the plot; it's awful. And TCW pretty much destroyed Anakin's arc.
I remember watching this when I was little but no memory of what happened, just re watched it a few days ago and probably the best in-between star wars content made
The woman Who voices Azula from avatar also voiced two characters in this show. She voiced Shaak Ti and Asajj Ventress. The voice actress who voiced Them is Grey Griffin.
The 2003 series is what it is because it used the time constrictions to tell a war story and they had to be quick with it, it also helped that George's vision for some of the characters wasn't too defined so they were allowed to play more with them, like grievous
Much of this show has been added back into canon since this video was uploaded such as How Dooku met Ventress, the knighting ceremony, The Battle of Hypori(where Ki Adi Mundi fought Greivous) Mace Windu's Battle of Dantooine, and Anakin's fight with Ventress are all alluded to in the canon novel Brotherhood.
These star wars shorts were a breath of fresh air at the time. It continued the story, it was full of action, it had awesome animation, it smoothly introduced the side characters that was glossed over, and most importantly it was straightforward.
It’s kinda funny cause I was born in 2005, but I still have nostalgia for the show. Ok my library I had comic books that were based of this version of the TV show, and found the show from it.
I still think this was by far a more superior form of telling the story between 2 and 3. The 2008 show just never really got my attention and has a really bad reason why it started. Like nobody remembers that awful movie. Plus how it keep braking the consistency with the movies and failing where the other didn’t. Really less is more. They didn’t have as many season and runtime and yet did a way better job with characters, story, flow, visuals, and consistency.
Luke Man HOW!!!! They made General Grevas a little bitch, the just jump to when Anakin was a master, they didn’t really do anything with Obi besides a pointless love story and they brake continuity a LOT!! Like how it is better?
I agree with you about how TCW doesn't do well with keeping consistency between the movies and the show. Obi-Wan Revenge of the Sith "This time we will do it together" TCW has Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting Dooku how many times. Grevious talks to Obi-Wan and Anakin as if meeting them for the first time but Obi-Wan and Grevious have fought how many times in TCW Also Grevious telling Obi-Wan how many times now that he's been trained in the jedi arts by Count Dooku
That fight at the end of ventress and Ani gave me chills the scream the red light upon reflected on his face and then throwing it in that out with his defeated foe very chilling
I live in india and the Star Wars Vintage Collection has not been released yet here and I was really excited and looking forward for it to come and I was really disappointed when it didn’t come.....
Well for me this is canon. This version of Grevious had so much potential to be a badass enemy and they nerfed him to oblivion afterward, so sad. The combat sequence against the Jedi knights was spectacular. When I saw it as a kid I was like "Oh sh!t, did the bad guy just won? No way... the Jedi... they got owned so hard!" And that created a lot of expectation as you mention on the video, as HE is a threat and keeping you wondering what will happen in the future...
I remember watching this show. But then it was replaced and I wasn't sure if I imagined this mini series cause I couldn't find it anywhere and people had no idea what I was talking about when I described it. But it was epic and that's lame it's not Canon. Great video
I first discovered your channel when I was looking up random Harry Potter videos and I found your Marauders video and I really liked it great job on that video by the way
It’s nice to go back and re-experience these EU gems. The nicest thing George ever did was enjoy a lot of what was created beyond the films and sometimes incorporating some of those elements. It didn’t fully legitimize anything but it was nice added world building and he didn’t out right deny anything either. This will always be one of my favorite animated shows both for the style and storytelling. Nice sum up of the whole experience.
Because I watched the 2008 version first, it took me minute to get used to the animation and overall feel of the show. But once I did, I appreciated it more than the 2008. Way more artistic
That's true, what's funny is even stuff that comes out post 2014 that's completely mediocre, seems amazing in comparison. But yeah, Star Wars has had a rough history, a lot of its content really is mediocre at best and completely forgettable.
Whats tragic about Grevious is that both types of him could have existed. He's a cyborg that is admittidly dangerous with a light saber (or several for that matter), even against Jedi Masters. However, if ever outmatched he flees like a coward he really is. I really think it would have worked. Shame.
Captain Fordo is so underrated. He’s honestly one of my favorite clones
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General Grievous was a force to be reckoned with in this show. The movies make him look like a pushover. The clone wars made him scary and a horrible enemy. But they’re nothing compared to this adaption.
Never forget the OG captain Fordo
Lucas gave the creators free reign, but he never wanted Grievous to be that powerful cuz it would've undermined Vader in ROTS. The same could be said about Jango Fett in AOTC. He wanted Dooku to be the big powerful baddie, so he could only allow Jango a couple badass moments. You don't have to agree with it, it's just how he approached it.
ummm you mean The Clone Wars 2008, the movie was the exact representation of General Grievous
Just saying, all Grievous did in ROTS was cough. They expected people to watch the animated show to see how he was that way. Hello, this show was pretty much aimed for kids and die hard fans. Idc if he’s a powerful warrior but those who saw him for the first time in theaters must’ve been confused out of their minds
Vetarlit Torf who’s Darth Sion?
in battlefront 2 he is broken to me
The best part of this show was always the action sequences. That’s how Genndy Tartokovski reels you in. You read what the action is and you can feel the tension in every scene. But my personal favorite part would have to be when Mace Windu is battling all those droids and even blowing them up with his bare hands. And at the end he gets water from a local kid who happened to be in the area watching it all.
I love how much it has his style and reminds me of samurai jack but at the same time it's so different
The Begley Show Grievous debut in clone wars, by far is one of genndys and his crew greatest moments.
Genndy knows how to let the action explain the story. After all he did created the Powerpuff Girls, samurai Jack, symbiotic titan, and primal his newest show.
I really enjoy dooku’s scenes and general grievous’s scenes
Never forget, this is how badass Grievous was supposed to be. Before it was decided to make him more cowardly.
Maniac's Word they nerfed him with tuberculosis
It's kind of hard to believe 08 Grievous would duel Obi-Won in III.
@@tyrant-den884 if 03 Grievous dueled Obiwan,Obiwan would've been screwed
@@lukethegoldenminecart1297 he only lost because he didn't expect Obi to pull a blaster on him.
@@tyrant-den884 I'll give you that
I remember going to my library and picking this up every week after school.
It's so awesome that someone is giving this series The recognition it deserves I loved watching this as a kid. I also still have the General Grievous action figure from this series still in its box.
I've wanted someone to make a review on this series for so long!
GuitarBoy585 mr Sunday movies has a video on this too
Agreed. This particular Clone Wars cartoon needs more love.
there's tons of em, i unfortunately couldn't watch this show the animation style kept upsetting my stomach ngl, very much appreciate it though
I disagree as I have seen so many people saying this show is an amazing character story while the 2008 show sucks and I am sick of that because both shows are good and I am glad he likes both instead of just hating on one or the other.
16:51 The symbolism of an enraged Anakin striking wildly at a downed opponent shouldn't be lost on anyone; Ventress is in pretty much the same position and stance as Vader is when Luke cuts off one of his hands on the Second Death Star
So true. Love this show.
Bruh 😲
I never noticed that...
"It's non-canon!"
I don't care. It's Samurai Jack with lightsabers, what more do you want?
More dialogue
An actual story with an interesting plot.
I heard a theory that the 2003 series is the actual events of the Clone Wars and that the later 2008 series is the "propaganda" that the Galactic Republic wanted the people to believe was happening. I don't know about that theory but either way I still love this series.
@@GManJR75 well this ones story was done by the actual lucas arts team when it was still george lucas, and the 2008 one was not.. pretty sure this one is canon to the story and the 2008 one isn't.
“Continuity is for wimps” - George Lucas
Factssss as a kid this show was so dope I thought I was tripping when the 2008 show came out I was like why they changed up the story???
I know. The 2003 series fit way better with the movies and is by far the superior telling
@@imyouralibi6208 so true. I find i Don't like 2008 as much as 2003. It misses so many key moments. This series actually mentions women and children and we see Anakin's expression and we see his trials
Oh my god how much I agree - Clone Wars is a MASTERPIECE!
Master Windu: The City is under Attack!
Master Lil Jon: WHAAAAT!!!!
Master Yoda: Defend the city we Must!
Master Lil Jon : OKKAAYYYY!!!!
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Who Lil John
oh ok
@@abramsullivan7764 know, you do not
The scene 12:00, where the males comes back to the tribe but get looked as monsters, and then a child recognizes his father and embraces him. That goddamn scene always brings tears to my eyes.
People: How powerful should the jedi be in this show
The creators: Yes
Also them creating Grievous: Just make him a bit OP
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I wasn’t alive when this was made and I have never watched this, but a few months or years ago I saw Anakin and Ventress dueling and it was epic. Especially when Anakin grabbed the red saber. So yeah I guess this is a pretty underrated show
Phoenix _ yeet you can find it on RUclips. Just look it up . It’s super worth a watch
You will not be disappointed if you watch the RUclips upload of both seasons 👌
I was disappointed when Disney announced that the EU was no longer canon, as well as this one.
*Sad European Union Noises*
They would rather have a cowardly grievous that Obiwan abasoulty wrecks in a lightsaber duel than the 03 Badass grevious that would without a doubt beat the hell out of obiwan in a duel
LUKE Thegoldenminecart so what you’re saying is they’d rather have consistency than some bullshit that makes no sense
Technically it was Lucasfilm who made star wars clone wars (2003) non canon since star wars the clone wars (2008) became the official canon for star wars but once Disney bought Lucasfilm in 2012 they kept the cgi clone wars canon but yeeted the EU into oblivion
The over-the-top force powers make me glad it's not literally canon. But like all Legends, various versions of these stories may or may not be true in part or whole. So, for things not covered elsewhere, it doesn't mean they absolutely didn't happen.
This series is still canon to me especially when ventress first appeared in this series, and I grew up with this show and the 2003 Grievous is awesome
Same! I'm trying to watch the 2008 show, and only being halfway through season 1 both Grievous and Ventress are extremely disappointing. They are such 1-dimensional, moustache-twirling villains whose best skill is running away.
@@blitzgirl6522 once you get to season 3 it gets good
@@blitzgirl6522 yeah ventress gets so much depth in season 3 the clone wars is great when it gets going
@@3dstuff654 And that's just the issue: I don't feel I can even reach season 3 because every time I try to keep going through season 1, I immediately stop after watching one episode. Season 1 just feels so rushed, both in concept and execution. One episode had Anakin be badly hurt, but there was no real sense of dread and he was better by the end of the episode anyway. It's just tough to get to the good stuff when you got people giving you different advice on whether or not to watch the first two seasons. And Ventress seems really 1-dimensional so far, she has even less personality and expressions compared to Tartakovsky's Clone Wars, which is disappointing.
I'd only watch TCW for the clone troopers, to be honest. I don't care much about anyone else beyond Obi-Wan, and then I also think Darth Maul shouldn't have been fan-fic'd back to life for fan service. Let the original characters stand on their own without relying on bringing dead fan-favorites back from the dead (my biggest complaint about The Rise of Skywalker, also).
@@blitzgirl6522 I honestly think you should watch it you have no idea how much it changes, also you don't have to watch all the series, loads of people just skip to the good epesodes ,it's an anthology series and loads of season 1 and 2 isnt important , there's loads of epesode guides of essential epesodes you need to watch to watch the clone wars and still enjoy it while only seeing what's necessary, id suggest searching one up, that way you can watch the really good epesodes of the series and skip the filler
I agree with everything you said. I was a kid when the 2005 version came out. I love it more then the other one. This makes more sense to me also.
I remember this as a kid. My favorite part was grievous how intimidating he was.
18:20 rip Jedi Shaggy, which is his actual name
Wrong his name is sha Gi
Wrong. It's just meant to sound similar.
Sh'a gi
Grievous: “I beat 6 Jedi all at once”
Mase Windu: “Lol”
I mean, in Labyrinth of Evil they fought and Grievous wasn't even going all out, Mace was smart not to try and duel him again.
3:22
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“The city is under attack!”
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“Defend the city we must!”
That’s always been my favorite line in the whole show
Mace: the city is under attack.
Yoda who sees the droids invading, ya don't say.
I had the original clone wars as a kid so I get nostalgia from it.
My head canon is like this: after Episode 2, I watch the original clone wars cartoon all the way up to the knighting of anakin (It’s also a nice smooth transition into the start of the war). That way we can see the proper introduction of ventress and grievous and the start of the change between anakin and obiwans relationship. After watching it, i didn’t notice anything that really breaks the cannon, so i think these first couple of episodes can fit in nicely in canon and it’s a good prologue to clone wars 2008. I recommend watching it like this, it’s a good way to watch the whole war of the franchise.
I agree.
To this day I have both volumes in my shelf.
Same
@Eyad Aboellail Both of them.
I actually have the DVDs from when they first came out.
Man I love this mini series. I'm sad we really haven't seen more of Durge other than graphic novels and books
This feels like a part of the movie cannon, the 2008 doesn't; that is good, but is more like a spin-off.
It feels like this one was more designed to explain how we got from 2 - 3, whereas the 2008 show just felt like they wanted to humanize the clones. Yeah that’s great and all, but they barely show up in the films and in the grand scheme of things really don’t matter. Their only purpose is to be slaves to Order 66
Have to disagree with everyone saying early knighting is a good thing. Becoming a Knight requires more than just skill, it takes genuine maturity and self control, two things Anakin was definitely lacking in episode 2, he needed to become more mature in order to earn that position and prove he had improved as a Jedi, not just as a warrior since Episode 2.
In the 2008 version, he was knighted only 2 months after Geonosis, which makes no sense lore wise or for his character, it would take time for him to actually change and mature and to actually prove that he did change and mature since then.
He didn't deserve to be Obi-Wan's peer yet, he still deserved to be his underling requiring mentoring, the final months of the Clone Wars are when he really starts becoming his master's equal in many ways and finally maturing and becoming patient and responsible.
@@an0rangutan it does make sense, but you are otherwise absolutely right. pressure from the war (and Palpatine) was making the council fast track things which would normally get A LOT more due consideration.
@Tom Ffrench No-one becomes that much more mature in just a couple of months and why doesn't it make sense for him to be knighted near the end of the war?
@Tom Ffrench The only reason he wants to become a master is because he wants access to the forbidden archives to learn new powers that can save Padmé, that's why it was such a big deal to him.
Even if he became a Knight 2 months before that, (which I believe it's closer to a year anyway) he still needs to become a master in his eyes, it's a necessity.
I actually have this series on DVD and watch it yearly! Love it!
you forgot something. When Anakin was attacking Ventress, we saw Ventress on the ground, weakly holding up her lightsaber desperately trying to block attack after attack as Anakin slams his blade into hers. This mirrors Luke's and Vader's duel, when Luke defeated Vader before being asked to kill him by the Emperor.
I love the show like the clone wars and it’s art style is from samurai jack creator even show the action to awesome
Hey you forgot Dooku, that in this show, he trains endless and formidable enemies for the republic to fight
lmfao Dooku also made Grievous look like a bum in training and that was after grievous bodied two jedi nearly killed two others and wouldve killed the last one if it wasnt for them fkn Clones
Thank you! Someone finally speaks the truth. Do you have any idea how hyped I was for both Mace and Grevious because of this show!? I ended up being disappointed in the 3rd movie because of how little of them there were.
I have watched this micro series maybe three times now and never once even noticed the foreshadowing at the end with the big animal things. Specifically with the little girl seeing her father for who she truly is foreshadowing return of the jedi! Absolutley Brilliant!
Wall painting scene, alone, was more meaningful and creative than all of 3D CW combined! And yes, i mean season 7 as well
This series has my favorite versions of General Grievous and Shaak Ti, the fight where Grievous fought 6 Jedi was amazing, and the scene where he kidnaps Palpatine. Shaak Ti fighting off the Magna Guards was so cool. Another great moment was the Anakin vs Ventress fight, Anakin tanking a force push only to return with a harder one was awesome and I loved the foreshadowing of his turn to the dark side. And don’t even get me started on Mace Windu punching battle droids 😂.
Its a little bit sad that maul wasen't in this series but He is the best character in Clone wars 2008 in my opinion
Personally i love both of these shows, but i really think that this is the Legends clone wars and TCW is canon clone wars, not legends. I know technically TCW is both canon and legends but TCW contradicts so much great story telling like Grievous, Jango, Dooku, Death Watch, Mandalorian civil war, clones adopting Mandalorian culture etc. that in my own opinion TCW doesnt fit in Legends at all. But again as i said i still think both series are absolutely great, but one fits legends better ant the other in canon.
@Darth Cameron thats exactly what i meant with the rant of it not fitting the legends...
He is better dead, he really is.
Agreed
After watching Clone Wars (2003) I am amazed at how good it was! I loved Grevious, OMG I seriously cannot understand how The Clone Wars (2008) would change his character! In the 03 version, his method of brute force, intimidation and suprise never once made me question why the Jedi couldn't just Force crush him. In the 08 version I am yelling at my screen, "crush him!" It just made no sense.
I also loved the Coruscant battle. So good. The shows depiction of the Jedi's power, whilst sometimes over the top, is just amazing! I loved it!
Always loved how Palpatine makes fun of Grievous and pokes fun at him. At the same time he knows Grievous is an absolute killing machine. While Grievous can’t do anything.
I watched both seasons as they aired. Even though they were just 5 minute episodes in the first season.
I even set up a camera to record the tv when they were on so I could rewatch them, because I didn’t have a VCR for my room.
They were that amazing.
Same here! I remember when the first season ended on that Yoda cliffhanger and got so mad. We were at a family friend’s house when season 2 aired and I went straight to the TV to catch it
12:11 Goddammit, your comparison between the Warriors story and Anakin's story in the films made me tear up because I never made that connection before! I really need to rewatch the 2003 series, which still holds a special place in my heart (I drew 2003 Grievous so much back then!). I've been trying to watch the 2008 series, but it's...very difficult...
My favorite lightsaber duel from the micro series was Anakin Skywalker vs Asajj Ventress
Movie flame: 13:30 He takes on a grop of jedi single handedly
The other three arms of Griveous: Am I a joke to you?
Love all your videos brother, but your Star Wars videos will always be the superior
You got to give props to those ARC troopers. During the battle of Muunilist, Captain Fordo's team only had one casualty, and the whole time they communicated with just hand signs.
(The head animator appreciated action over words, so that's why there is so little dialogue, and he also made Sim-bionic Titan and Samurai Jack)
When the raindrops were falling on the lightsabers and making steam, I thought that it was the animators just flexing lol
i love how you describe how the show does storytelling without any exposition. "show, don't tell" is gendys art, in stark contrast to twc (exposition exposition exposition..)
If it wasn't clear before he made Primal, Genndy is literally THE master of "Show don't tell"
He is a phenomenal storyteller and can do more in 3 minutes what most people can accomplish with 15, 22, or even 120 minutes.
@@an0rangutan holy shit i totally freaked out when i saw that an orangutan hadcommented on my comment. yes i was smokin weed but still
Apart from that, yeah i totally agree, could have described genndy better
My main criticism with the 2008 series was how blunt the foreshadowing was.
The 2003 series left it masterfully subtle where you had to think to get often to get while the canon series often felt like Dave Filoni would slap a sticker and yell SEE IT YET!? DO YOU SEE THE FORESHADOWING!?.
Don't get me wrong I love both equally but this one of a fair few criticism's I have with the 2008 series
Plus Anakin looks his age in the show
JulzBrad 1996 true but that show doesn’t make a lot of sense for a number of reasons
1)it suppose to be a 3 year war but it feels like it’s been 10 years
2)it makes no sense that Anakin was made a knight directly after AOTC
Etc
JulzBrad 1996 but the thing is we saw his personality in AOTC and he did not have the maturity to be made a knight at that point that why the 2003 is better in my opinion because you see how Anakin matured to the point where he is knighted
JulzBrad 1996 it took Anakin 2 years of war to reach that point of maturity in the 2003 clone wars not at the beginning like the 2008 version
JulzBrad 1996 the problem is in the 2008 version which takes place only a month after AOTC Anakin acts likes a mature adult and stays that way throughout which sucks because he doesn’t really have character development and it’s very distracting and weird considering he’s only 19
JulzBrad 1996 he literally doesn’t get character development at all in TCW because he always acts the same even tho it contradicts his age
Also i love how like you said this series fits much more perfectly into the movies than the 2008 clone wars series with no loose ends needing to be tied up. Ironically despite it not being canon, it feels much more congruent than the 2008 clone wars series.
Lowkey cant front and wish Anakin in The Clone Wars 2008 had him show off his robat arm more.
It won an Emmy and fits in with the movies much better, yet Star Wars fans still insist the new series is better, even when the new series ruins characters and has arcs that most people would call,
"bland,"
"boring,"
or even,
"mediocre."
Thank you for covering this fantastic show! You pointed out some symbolism that I hadn't even picked up on yep. Thank you for that!
This was clone wars of 2003 that I grew up when I was little definitely remember watching Star Wars episode 3 when I was little
Thank you for this vid man! I love this series more than the clone wars for the same reasons you mentions. Whenever I start a marathon I just watch this between epII and III just like you. Back in the cartoon network days I was alway in front of the tv every week for a new episode. The perfect marathon is started with EP I-II then clone wars, ep III, R1, and IV-V-VI. Keep up the good work!
Hey man, you definitely earned my subscription with this video analysis, a lot of what you said is spot on.
Great content, I'll be sticking around to see what else you cook up.
I don't care what anyone says; this series is STILL canon.
In the True EU!
I agree. and to me boba and jango are mandalorians no matter what Dave felonie says
@@douglasmusic4797 same
@@douglasmusic4797 wait theyre not mandalorians anymore?
@@SicSemperBeats yeh the clone wars and Dave felonie retconned them saying jango was just pretending to be a mandalorian
I was wondered over these series, this video made me want to watch it! Thank you for that! I am so excited to see the clips you've shown! ♥️
finally, someone who rates this series highly! I never saw any american cartoons as a kid, but I did see this one. Buying whatever pirated DVDs to get the next season. This is what got me into Star Wars. And plus, I do think the battles should be exaggerated as they were in this film. We are talking about trillions of lives at stake. That's one of the only gripes Ive had with the newer Clone Wars, not really fitting the scale of the conflict. That and the fact that we never saw Anaking grow like the video says.
Exactly. There are so many times the Jedi could've used the force in TCW and they just don't. They're constantly nerfed for the sake of the plot; it's awful. And TCW pretty much destroyed Anakin's arc.
Brilliant review and analysis. This is my favorite Star Wars, hands down. It's so underrated and an absolute shame this is no longer cannon.
I remember watching this when I was little but no memory of what happened, just re watched it a few days ago and probably the best in-between star wars content made
I never noticed the parallel between the child and Luke. That's fucking awesome
The woman Who voices Azula from avatar also voiced two characters in this show. She voiced Shaak Ti and Asajj Ventress. The voice actress who voiced Them is Grey Griffin.
And Padmé
The 2003 series is what it is because it used the time constrictions to tell a war story and they had to be quick with it, it also helped that George's vision for some of the characters wasn't too defined so they were allowed to play more with them, like grievous
Much of this show has been added back into canon since this video was uploaded such as How Dooku met Ventress, the knighting ceremony, The Battle of Hypori(where Ki Adi Mundi fought Greivous) Mace Windu's Battle of Dantooine, and Anakin's fight with Ventress are all alluded to in the canon novel Brotherhood.
After finally watching this, I found myself enjoying this more than I did in the 2008 version
These star wars shorts were a breath of fresh air at the time. It continued the story, it was full of action, it had awesome animation, it smoothly introduced the side characters that was glossed over, and most importantly it was straightforward.
It’s kinda funny cause I was born in 2005, but I still have nostalgia for the show. Ok my library I had comic books that were based of this version of the TV show, and found the show from it.
Same for me with the library and comics!
"Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures" !
I still think this was by far a more superior form of telling the story between 2 and 3. The 2008 show just never really got my attention and has a really bad reason why it started. Like nobody remembers that awful movie. Plus how it keep braking the consistency with the movies and failing where the other didn’t. Really less is more. They didn’t have as many season and runtime and yet did a way better job with characters, story, flow, visuals, and consistency.
No it didn’t Star Wars the Clone wars did everything better
Luke Man HOW!!!! They made General Grevas a little bitch, the just jump to when Anakin was a master, they didn’t really do anything with Obi besides a pointless love story and they brake continuity a LOT!! Like how it is better?
@@brochromkee1028 I see you are dumb
I agree with you about how TCW doesn't do well with keeping consistency between the movies and the show.
Obi-Wan Revenge of the Sith "This time we will do it together"
TCW has Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting Dooku how many times.
Grevious talks to Obi-Wan and Anakin as if meeting them for the first time but Obi-Wan and Grevious have fought how many times in TCW
Also Grevious telling Obi-Wan how many times now that he's been trained in the jedi arts by Count Dooku
@@arcanum_siu I see you are wrong & biased.
That fight at the end of ventress and Ani gave me chills the scream the red light upon reflected on his face and then throwing it in that out with his defeated foe very chilling
Fordo is easily top 5 favorite Star Wars characters for me. This is the show I grew up with and I’ll always love it
I live in india and the Star Wars Vintage Collection has not been released yet here and I was really excited and looking forward for it to come and I was really disappointed when it didn’t come.....
Well for me this is canon. This version of Grevious had so much potential to be a badass enemy and they nerfed him to oblivion afterward, so sad. The combat sequence against the Jedi knights was spectacular. When I saw it as a kid I was like "Oh sh!t, did the bad guy just won? No way... the Jedi... they got owned so hard!" And that created a lot of expectation as you mention on the video, as HE is a threat and keeping you wondering what will happen in the future...
Why the duck isnt this canon? Like seriously i dont see a good enough reason to cut it.
Clone Wars 2008 contradicts it many times
@@mysticalsnail7611 you mean like the characters in the mortis arc? Lol
@@mysticalsnail7611 what's good about mortis?
@@hieumungus3902 Mortis is amazing.
this was george lucas, not the disney trash... who cares what disney says.
Probably my favorite piece of animation. A large nose has been known as a Quigon since ‘05.
I’m glad you brought up James Arnold Taylor because he is truly great at what he does
I forgot that show existed. I watched it so much as a kid.
The 2003 show did a much better job of balancing its characters. Mad respect
The 2003 show is brilliant. Should be Canon too. The fuel between on ventress and anakin on yavin is one of the best!!
I think the new clone wars should have re-animated it and worked it into what they were making
I remember watching this show. But then it was replaced and I wasn't sure if I imagined this mini series cause I couldn't find it anywhere and people had no idea what I was talking about when I described it. But it was epic and that's lame it's not Canon. Great video
Kit Fisto’s battle scene was the reason he’s my favorite Jedi.
Given the fact that they're trying to take entire planets, the amount of ship and soldiers is actually more realistic.
True
"fortunately I recorded it" ofcourse you did I did it as well I found it in a box with a sticker on it illegally downloaded. 😉
I first discovered your channel when I was looking up random Harry Potter videos and I found your Marauders video and I really liked it great job on that video by the way
It’s nice to go back and re-experience these EU gems. The nicest thing George ever did was enjoy a lot of what was created beyond the films and sometimes incorporating some of those elements. It didn’t fully legitimize anything but it was nice added world building and he didn’t out right deny anything either. This will always be one of my favorite animated shows both for the style and storytelling. Nice sum up of the whole experience.
It's weird how the small, slightly-unknown moments during the movies are better than the main plot of the movie.
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Because I watched the 2008 version first, it took me minute to get used to the animation and overall feel of the show. But once I did, I appreciated it more than the 2008. Way more artistic
Stellar vid. This is the clone wars I grew up on.
Get it, stellar as in relating to or composed of stars.
Thank you so much for this. I enjoyed it so much I was sad it ended. Original Clone Wars was the best. Force unleashed levels.
We should petition for this to be added to Disney+
Cartoon Network still has the rights to this
Honestly I think it's one of the very very very few prices of Star Wars media that holds up at all
That's true, what's funny is even stuff that comes out post 2014 that's completely mediocre, seems amazing in comparison.
But yeah, Star Wars has had a rough history, a lot of its content really is mediocre at best and completely forgettable.
This is just a 2 hour long Samurai Jack episode in space, *and I love it*
I like to think this is part of Star Wars Legends
Whats tragic about Grevious is that both types of him could have existed. He's a cyborg that is admittidly dangerous with a light saber (or several for that matter), even against Jedi Masters. However, if ever outmatched he flees like a coward he really is.
I really think it would have worked. Shame.
The guy who made this like you said made smurai jack and he made primal both WERE AMAZING JUST LIKE THIS
Commander fordo, badass Greivous, windu doing kung fu on some droids, this show was amazing and still is
7:06 The guy behind Kit Fisto Is Pablo Jill. PABLO.
I remember watching this with my brother as kids
It was the first ‘prequel’ content I was exposed to
I love this series so much it's so great and i love re watching it over and over again
General grevious in this show was a freaking monster