Timeline of How SHAQ, PENNY and the ORLANDO MAGIC FAILED to Win an NBA Title | Rise and Fall

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  • Опубликовано: 10 янв 2025

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  • @ziljanmasong6406
    @ziljanmasong6406 5 месяцев назад +44

    1998-99 Magic had a 33-17 record
    37-13 makes them the 1st seed in the East.

    • @bumblebity2902
      @bumblebity2902 5 месяцев назад +5

      three way tie was back then for 1st place.

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      I'm sorry for the mistake

  • @zay2suave
    @zay2suave 5 месяцев назад +8

    Man them free throws could have changed the whole timeline but after Shaq left the Dwight Howard era came alive and made the finals in 09 and now their playoff contenders with banchero, the magic front office work magic

  • @aubrey_2180
    @aubrey_2180 5 месяцев назад +8

    Rest in Peace Pat Williams and his Iconic photo 4:38

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +3

      rip legend

  • @MarvyG23
    @MarvyG23 5 месяцев назад +33

    If penny never had injuries and shaq stayed with the magic i wonder how many championships they would have won

    • @1GodExist
      @1GodExist 5 месяцев назад +6

      3backtoback

    • @Vandalio_Saez
      @Vandalio_Saez 5 месяцев назад +3

      The bulls would probably have 2 less

    • @WeUntouchable
      @WeUntouchable 4 месяца назад +5

      None. Jordan was in that era

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      what could have been

    • @QuestionEverything562
      @QuestionEverything562 Месяц назад +2

      None. Shaq barely won the three he got with Kobe. Barely beat the Jail Blazers in the 2000 WCF, then needed the refs and all hands on deck from the NBA to help them beat the Kings in the 2002 WCF. Shaq, as great as we was, was a very beatable superstar. Smarter teams always beat Shaq's teams in a fairly reffed series. Shaq before his 3-peat in LA, was basically looked at like Joel Embiid for the last 5 years.

  • @charleyarrigo
    @charleyarrigo Месяц назад +1

    Your videos are very interesting. Loved the Hakeem Olajuwon Rockets one as well. Great job.

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  Месяц назад +1

      Thank you very much!

  • @johnnick775
    @johnnick775 5 месяцев назад +31

    This is probably the best orlando magic era prime shaq and penny were beast.

    • @bryanjoecruz47
      @bryanjoecruz47 5 месяцев назад +5

      The Paolo Banchero era promises a new winning era for the Orlando Magic😊😊

    • @johnnick775
      @johnnick775 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@bryanjoecruz47 hope they can improve in the future

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      one of the best in their franchise probably

  • @JackVanHoveln
    @JackVanHoveln 5 месяцев назад +3

    Great video

  • @ReggieWilson-gm5dl
    @ReggieWilson-gm5dl 5 месяцев назад +14

    1995 should’ve been their year. Penny and Shaq were the best.

  • @johnnick775
    @johnnick775 5 месяцев назад +3

    Thanks for doing my request

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      very much welcome man

  • @jesserthelazer8311
    @jesserthelazer8311 5 месяцев назад +1

    First❤❤ great vids bro road to 100k

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      thank you very much man

  • @unsungzerooo
    @unsungzerooo 5 месяцев назад

    Only been waiting for this episode since forever. Cheers, my bro. Very nicely done. Can you compose an episode on my boy, Penny's timeline?

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      sure will do my man. thanks for the support

  • @mkm297
    @mkm297 5 месяцев назад

    I love your videos man❤

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      thank you my man

  • @danielroshunsmith6351
    @danielroshunsmith6351 5 месяцев назад +1

    Orlando magic future now looks great, awesome work Jay jay Warvz

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      thanks a lot man

  • @yournormalmariofan8056
    @yournormalmariofan8056 5 месяцев назад +18

    MUM WAKE UP JAY WARVZ POSTED ANOTHER NBA TIMELINE

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      yow man

    • @yournormalmariofan8056
      @yournormalmariofan8056 2 месяца назад

      Ok you’ve replied it two of my comments and I gotta say. What the hell was yow mean please fill me in

  • @JakobeWord-yp5je
    @JakobeWord-yp5je 5 месяцев назад +3

    Can You Do How Alonzo Mourning & Larry Johnson and The Hornets failed to win a Nba Title Rise and fall

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      noted my man

  • @SpaceDragonX783
    @SpaceDragonX783 5 месяцев назад +4

    Worst thing Orlando ever did was not pay Shaq. Pretty surprising they honored him with his jersey retirement last season.

    • @bumblebity2902
      @bumblebity2902 5 месяцев назад

      @@SpaceDragonX783 former ownership should take blame

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      very true lol

  • @davisstewart124
    @davisstewart124 5 месяцев назад

    Fire video

  • @bumblebity2902
    @bumblebity2902 5 месяцев назад +9

    Skiles trade was so stupid because giving 1st round pick of legendary 1996 class.

    • @moisesalmonte8271
      @moisesalmonte8271 5 месяцев назад +2

      Is something that only the time has shown us 🤷🤷

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +2

      to make a room for signing horace grant

    • @QuestionEverything562
      @QuestionEverything562 Месяц назад

      Also, Shaq did not like Scott Skiles. Scott was considered a jerk.

  • @moisesalmonte8271
    @moisesalmonte8271 5 месяцев назад +4

    If Orlando had kept Penny and Chaq they could be champions

  • @xavierstamp8786
    @xavierstamp8786 5 месяцев назад +14

    Did I just see Shaq Penny Vince Carter was a possibility?!

    • @ends15
      @ends15 5 месяцев назад +3

      Shaq was gone by 98, but we had the draft rights to vc and amare Stoudemire

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      true man

  • @rorymcneely324
    @rorymcneely324 5 месяцев назад +5

    Timeline of KG next please.

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      noted my man

  • @Sloan-n9q
    @Sloan-n9q 5 месяцев назад +2

    I bet Penny visiting that doctor in Houston was one of the biggest reasons why his basketball career ended so prematurely. People from out of town just don't know how two faced and scandalous Houstonians are behind closed doors. Penny seeing a doctor in a team's rival city about his injury would raise a huge red flag if I was Orlando Magic management.

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      very unfortunate man

  • @mbcsantiago
    @mbcsantiago 5 месяцев назад

    Jay i would love this next,
    Minnesota timeewoles 1989-2007
    In 3 parts pls King jay👑👑💪

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      noted my man

  • @BornReady91
    @BornReady91 5 месяцев назад +5

    Shaq's ego fucked it all up

    • @melvynsngltn27
      @melvynsngltn27 5 месяцев назад +3

      Nope Orlando low balled Shaq

    • @ends15
      @ends15 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@melvynsngltn27Shaq ego was the catalyst.

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      yeah he was indeed low balled

  • @Sephiroth766
    @Sephiroth766 4 месяца назад +2

    Why did the Magic fan base overwhelming agree that Shaq was not worth a large contract? Were they dumb?

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      what's why they lost shaq

    • @KiingZero
      @KiingZero Месяц назад

      I live in Orlando. I can answer the question. Everyone knew how bad Shaq is at free throws. We had watched games for years where he sucked at it. And he never got better. Plus this city was still new to the NBA. If you ask a bunch of old white people that question under those circumstances, that's the answer you're gonna get. They all liked Shaq. And this was his city. But older whites don't want to see blacks come up better than them.

  • @coreyrowe4119
    @coreyrowe4119 4 месяца назад

    It's crazy how the entire Magic starting lineup during their mid 90s window to contend all ended up playing out west in 99-00 - Shaq (LA) Penny (Phoenix) Nick Anderson (Sacramento) Horace Grant (Seattle) Dennis Scott (Vancouver)

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      oh didn't notice that

  • @kben101
    @kben101 5 месяцев назад +1

    I wonder if there is a part 2 to this

  • @Ninja0492
    @Ninja0492 5 месяцев назад +2

    Orlando Magic -
    2 Eastern Conference Titles - 1995 - 2009
    NBA Championships - Nope, Nada, Negative, Nothing & Zero.

    • @ReggieWilson-gm5dl
      @ReggieWilson-gm5dl 5 месяцев назад +2

      1995 would’ve been their year instead of 2009. 2009 we would’ve had Lakers vs Cavs

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      yeah 2009 must be lebron vs kobe

  • @yungslic5363
    @yungslic5363 5 месяцев назад +1

    Penny was still mad about Shaq leaving in free agency...3 years later 🤣🤣

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      yeah. they could have won a title together

  • @nathanhotte1998
    @nathanhotte1998 5 месяцев назад +2

    R.I.P. Pat Williams

  • @Robi2009
    @Robi2009 5 месяцев назад +1

    3:25 - that Shaq's face :D

  • @eddie9244
    @eddie9244 5 месяцев назад

    Nick anderson shooting 40% from the line in 96-97 is crazy. That rockets finals series destroyed his career

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      he lost confidence

  • @Leon-zw7rr
    @Leon-zw7rr 5 месяцев назад +3

    2:08 Why do this team has moved to West?

    • @awesomethings1262
      @awesomethings1262 5 месяцев назад +2

      The nba had an uneven amount of teams

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      @@awesomethings1262 true

  • @sauce2kgod193
    @sauce2kgod193 5 месяцев назад +1

    I believe that Shaq and Penny could have won a championship if they had just stayed together and worked out the differences between them but we wouldn’t have the iconic duo of Kobe and Shaq had he not left the magic

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      what could have been

  • @jslim2255
    @jslim2255 5 месяцев назад

    I look forward to the timeline video made starting from when the magic rebuild the team back 2021 all the way until now getting back to a playoff team.

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      sure will do man

  • @RandomBurner
    @RandomBurner 5 месяцев назад +1

    LOL at the times when Shaq broke the backboard when he was on the Magic 😂

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      so dominant

  • @charlesnario4482
    @charlesnario4482 5 месяцев назад +2

    Penny hardaway full of what if in his nba career

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      what could have been

  • @fizzyfuzz5878
    @fizzyfuzz5878 5 месяцев назад +1

    The rockets had already won a ring the season before they swept Orlando. Sad, history would've been a lot more fun and interesting had Orlando won the NBA title that series

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      yeah true man

  • @LRT1441
    @LRT1441 5 месяцев назад

    Unfortunately didn’t happen still great team and great vid 👍👍

  • @dimitrisdeligiannis1538
    @dimitrisdeligiannis1538 5 месяцев назад +1

    Shaq Goes To The Lakers (What Happened If Penny Goes To Theme Because Lakers Want That Two Players Together) Orlando Keeps Penny What If Take Chris Webber And Not Rony Seikely For Shaq Imagine Orlando Magic 1996/1997 With Penny Hardaway Nick Anderson Dennis Scott Horace Grant & Chris Webber !!!

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      what could have been

  • @JP-ks7ey
    @JP-ks7ey 5 месяцев назад

    you should do a paul George timeline

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      already done

  • @shchepacenturion
    @shchepacenturion 5 месяцев назад

    Please do video about Knicks from 00's and Carmelo to "Villanova" Knicks

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      noted my man

  • @nbapbaupdate8338
    @nbapbaupdate8338 5 месяцев назад +9

    Imagine Shaquille O'Neal stay whole career in Magic & stay healthy Penny Hardaway his whole career 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

    • @shakarussanders9911
      @shakarussanders9911 5 месяцев назад +4

      I think Back 2 back champs 99, 2000

    • @nbapbaupdate8338
      @nbapbaupdate8338 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@shakarussanders9911 agree 💯

    • @moneycrazy6736
      @moneycrazy6736 3 месяца назад

      @@nbapbaupdate8338 😵‍💫😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      what could have been

  • @Babyfacechuy
    @Babyfacechuy 5 месяцев назад

    Yo bro can u do a timeline of Jason kidd

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      noted my man

  • @MKMNGMPT-hf3lk
    @MKMNGMPT-hf3lk Месяц назад +1

    Choosing AH over Shaq and lowball him as well was a crime for the incompetent Magic FO during those times.

  • @Philziscool
    @Philziscool 5 месяцев назад

    Can plz do kevin Garnett career timeline

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      sure my man

    • @QuestionEverything562
      @QuestionEverything562 Месяц назад

      Overrated playoff choker. Never wanted the ball when it mattered. Dirk cooked him alive in the 2002 playoffs.

  • @kingduck1390
    @kingduck1390 5 месяцев назад

    Do a timeline for the current magic

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      sure my man

  • @KurtAutoOfficial
    @KurtAutoOfficial 5 месяцев назад

    What is your beat name?

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      behind my back by rage

  • @evanhullinger2900
    @evanhullinger2900 5 месяцев назад

    RIP Pat Williams

  • @mbcsantiago
    @mbcsantiago 5 месяцев назад

    A timeline of kG 😊

  • @master-kq3nw
    @master-kq3nw 5 месяцев назад

    Love those jerseys great team Orlando o neal hardaway Anderson grant scott

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      nostalgic

    • @master-kq3nw
      @master-kq3nw 2 месяца назад

      @jaywarvz beautiful jerseys

  • @gianniasmaro
    @gianniasmaro 5 месяцев назад

    do the Celtics downfall from 1986 till 1998

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      noted my man

  • @zombiegamer8055
    @zombiegamer8055 5 месяцев назад

    Knicks 2017-2024 rebuild please

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      noted my man

  • @johnnick775
    @johnnick775 5 месяцев назад

    Hope you do all of this suggestion
    Jason kidd new jersey nets era
    Clyde drexler blazers era
    Kevin garnett twolves era
    Patrick ewing career timeline
    Jayson tatum career timeline
    Charlotte hornets 1990s era alonzo mourning to baron davis
    Phoenix suns charles barkley era
    Allen Iverson 76ers era
    Reggie miller pacers era
    Reggie miller career timeline
    Tim duncan career timeline
    Chris webber career timeline
    Atlanta hawks 2000s era
    Joe Johnson Career timeline
    Karl malone and john stockton utah jazz era
    Dennis rodman career timeline
    Bradley beal career timeline
    Boston celtics larry bird era
    Jimmy butler and bam adebayo miami heat era
    Hakeem olajuwon career timeline
    Memphis grizzlies grit and grind era
    Chauncey billups career timeline
    Shawn kemp and gary payton sonics era
    Larry bird career timeline
    Larry bird boston celtics era

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      thanks for these suggestions

  • @Sloan-n9q
    @Sloan-n9q 5 месяцев назад

    Eff the BS. Michael Doleac, and Matt Harpring were both low-key nice in Orlando. Both of them role players complemented Penny Hardaway's game really well because they both could knock down wide open jumpers, and they were both respectable on man to man defense.

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      yeah man. decent at best

  • @Lil.youtube12345
    @Lil.youtube12345 5 месяцев назад +1

    Gordon hayward next video

  • @MysterioTrainGaming
    @MysterioTrainGaming 5 месяцев назад +1

    1st?????

  • @CS_1989
    @CS_1989 5 месяцев назад +1

    $haq always been @sellout, neva been loyal 2 nothing but the $$$, cuz he got lucky the lakers already had @GOAT signed/drafted to the team on a rookie deal. No way he getting paid if they had signed Kobe to a max deal 1st. & it was for 7yrs back then. Once his deal was up they shipped him off to MIA & got lucky again with Dwade on a rookie deal.

    • @yungslic5363
      @yungslic5363 5 месяцев назад

      Shaq was mid (to me) 😂😂 he could've won 6-7 rings if he was focused on being the best version of himself instead he got fat af and was lazy (hence why things never lasted with Kobe) and he lucked up with the Lakers getting Phil Jackson and Miami having Pat Riley and DWade

    • @theBlackBearrrr
      @theBlackBearrrr 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@yungslic5363If you think Shaq is mid, you have no clue what you're talking about about

    • @theBlackBearrrr
      @theBlackBearrrr 4 месяца назад

      He shouldn't have been loyal. Orlando pushed him out with their stupidity. Loyalty is for people who are loyal to you

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      what? just appreciate shaq's greatness lol

    • @yungslic5363
      @yungslic5363 2 месяца назад

      @theBlackBearrrr heck yea that's why I said "to me" he could've accomplished way more than he did! He was the most dominant big man since Wilt the fact that he wasn't locked in his whole the career the way he was his MVP year is crazy to me to say the least it's no way in he double hockey sticks that he should have just one league mvp let alone only 4 rings he had the supporting cast every where he went to win bare minimum one ring with each team he played for. Orlando, LA, MIA, PHX, CLE AND BOS that's six rings at the least

  • @brodiecook1589
    @brodiecook1589 5 месяцев назад +1

    How does Shaq average 27 points a game n only make 3rd all nba n penny average 20 points a game n makes 1st time all nba not once but twice

    • @matthewgarfinkle4311
      @matthewgarfinkle4311 5 месяцев назад

      Because of positions, only 3 centers could make all nba teams. And in 95 there was a lot of talent at center with hakeem, Ewing, etc

    • @brandonwilliams4085
      @brandonwilliams4085 5 месяцев назад

      Shaq came in the league better than Ewing

    • @brodiecook1589
      @brodiecook1589 5 месяцев назад

      @@matthewgarfinkle4311 fair

    • @brodiecook1589
      @brodiecook1589 5 месяцев назад

      @@brandonwilliams4085 not necessarily

    • @brandonwilliams4085
      @brandonwilliams4085 5 месяцев назад

      @@brodiecook1589 shid Ewing knees was damn near gone

  • @erablaktv
    @erablaktv 4 месяца назад

    The could have been even better if Dennis Scott was starting or at least getting 30-32 minutes a game in the Shaq penny era.donald eoyal and xompany was not it.dennia should have never stopped starting.i get it was a defensive move or possibly d3 was out of shape or injury.but if he was healthy he needed to be on the court as the 3pt threat and dagger kill ahot guy all throughout the game.i just feel those little anall moves would have made them wven better.i understand horace got hurt and overall they loss.but if dennis Scott was more solid at the sf position the magic could have been evwn more deadly than they was.

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      you have a point man

  • @BigDic-qz8su
    @BigDic-qz8su 5 месяцев назад

    Youg to many egos . Shaq recently apologized to Penny for breaking up that team . He left because of the money.

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      yeah orlando didn't want to pay shaq what he deserved

  • @joanclairegonzales1368
    @joanclairegonzales1368 5 месяцев назад

    🎉🎉🎉

  • @ChrisWhitfield-zp5jv
    @ChrisWhitfield-zp5jv 4 месяца назад

    Son Webber Scott Anderson hardaway grant shaw hill mcgrady Armstrong Harper price Wilkins maybe that team would have won a championship between 99-04

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      what could have been

  • @revilooliver486
    @revilooliver486 5 месяцев назад

    Shaq even then babbling about rings 😂

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      he deserved it lol

  • @cristobalbg2069
    @cristobalbg2069 5 месяцев назад

    Menuda cagada de los Magic infravalorando a Shaq con esa oferta

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      very true man

  • @josephcinquegrana4862
    @josephcinquegrana4862 5 месяцев назад +1

    So you’re telling me we could’ve had VC too?
    Penny
    VC
    Scott
    Grant
    Shaq
    With Shaw and Anderson coming off the bench?

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      what could have been

  • @roseanneperena2073
    @roseanneperena2073 5 месяцев назад

    🫶🫶🤙

  • @hydeseaick2587
    @hydeseaick2587 5 месяцев назад +1

    Chris Webber could've changed everything, but it's sad that Orlando didn't win. But it's normal, they faced against legends in their primes like Michael and Olajuwon, and they had lack of experience

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад +1

      what could have been

    • @hydeseaick2587
      @hydeseaick2587 2 месяца назад

      @jaywarvz yes

    • @QuestionEverything562
      @QuestionEverything562 Месяц назад

      Chris Webber and Shaq wouldn't have worked. They needed a playmaker, not a PF that plays scared in big games and passes up every big shot. Penny had confidence in his skills and understood how to setup Shaq, yet still get his. C-Webb was an immature punk in his first 4 years.

    • @hydeseaick2587
      @hydeseaick2587 Месяц назад

      @QuestionEverything562 maybe, maybe not, but thanks for the explanation

    • @QuestionEverything562
      @QuestionEverything562 Месяц назад

      @hydeseaick2587 Just look up C-Webb's tenure in GS. He got traded to GS for Penny in 1993, then got traded again in 1994 by GS. What #1 overall draft pick gets traded right after his rookie season? C-Webb won ROY in 94', yet the Warriors wanted to move on from him. He was very immature, cocky, and feminine too. He was looked at as an injury prone bust in his first 3-4 seasons. His rebounding was never impressive given his size and ability.

  • @brandonwilliams4085
    @brandonwilliams4085 5 месяцев назад

    Chris Webber and shaq🤔🤔🤔

    • @ep7975
      @ep7975 5 месяцев назад +1

      its a crime we never got that. Penny and Shaq were good, but YOUNG Webber and Shaq woulda been epic.

    • @brandonwilliams4085
      @brandonwilliams4085 5 месяцев назад

      @@ep7975 if Chris Webber goes to the magic Shaq never leaves

    • @andrius11
      @andrius11 5 месяцев назад

      Shaw and Penny better

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      what could have been

  • @isaiahshinhchs24
    @isaiahshinhchs24 5 месяцев назад

    Duncan Robinson pls! Shooter 🔥

  • @ep7975
    @ep7975 5 месяцев назад

    CHRIS WEBBER & SHAQ would have been more dominant than Samson and Olajuwon or Duncan and Robinson!

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      what could have been

  • @johnnick775
    @johnnick775 5 месяцев назад

    What if they didn't trade chris webber and penny hardaway traded to magic exchange other player they probably have a great big 3

    • @jaywarvz
      @jaywarvz  2 месяца назад

      what could have been