No. Instead, Stalin teamed up with the evil ice queen to freeze the sun, then push to Paris with the intent of using the Eiffel Tower as the frame for a massive laser. They met little resistance due to the panic by the Germans as to why the sun disappeared so they were quick to surrender. Then the Soviets encounter the Japanese Air Force, who didn’t want to loose the previously German occupied territory to the Soviets, just outside of Paris in the Battle of Britain, only for the Soviets to win because of a new plane they made the year prior: the MiG-21. We then end the campaign with American joining in the last days of the battle and then seeing cutscene where a British unit find hitler’s bunker and are very shocked by their secret weapon that was supposed to be deployed just the next week: the potato.
I rather play CoD WaW playing US Marine and Red Army, rather than Vanguard with forced non-sense Diversity Super Soldier with their non-senses shitty backstory
I am sure those are the new Wunderwaffe , ´´experimental super 9x19 mm parabellum explosive incendiary rounds´´, what a ´´TOTALLY NOT MADE UP ACCURATE CONTENT ´´ . Germans used incediary , or armour piercing amunition for their guns, but incendiary for MG to fight planes, or anti air defences, armour piercing, here and there to a soldier, to damage enemy light vehicles, which someone mind get, but only in limited numbers, this is just EEWW .
It’s just further evidence of COD’s utter laziness. Part of what made WAW so dark wasn’t just the gore and dismemberment but that it was not only realistic in appearance but didn’t just happen at any time, and was more realistic overall. Ripping limbs from explosives, heavy caliber guns and machine guns made sense. This doesn’t at all.
My favorite pet peeve is when they censor the flag for Germany. Look at World at War on multiplayer, it was a RESOUNDING success when it was uncensored and bare for all to see. I hate it when they censor the flags, I hate it when they censor anything really. I hate it when they change something for the comforts of society. I say, I don't care about the comforts of society. They should be uncomfortable, they should be uneasy, they should be ANGRY at the horrors mankind has wrought. So it will never be repreated again. History, whether it be in a game, movie, or book, should never be censored for any reason. Period. I know it sounds petty of me to be focused on the flag, but to me, it reflects what kind of game company we're dealing with. Those who are more likely to cave to the pressures of mainstream media and society.
100% Agree with you. The censoring and lightening up of WW2 media is actually something I hate so much. Entertainment products like movies and games really dumb everything down and for some reason nobody wants to match the brutality and realistic views from films such as Schindler's list or the soviet film come and see. Even schindlers list had to somewhat lessened because the real brutality was considered "unbelievable". I understand games and media need to be graded for public consumption, but surely there comes a point where we have to portray the real history they're trying to rewrite.
That is a thing WW2 games have been doing for quite awhile though. I remember the old MoH games such as European Assault doing it. I think the reasoning was to prevent the games from being banned in countries like Germany where Nazi symbols are not permitted in media unless it's specifically for educational purposes. It is silly, of course. Censorship laws generally are.
It’s not so dumb when you realize it’s for the game to sell in places were it is an issue or banned. It’s why most of the time it’s okay in single player but no in multiplayer were you could play from people anywhere around the world so it’s best to only let the flag be shown in campaign
A sledgehammer Dev was at the ww2 museum for research for this game, and an employee from that place wrote on the vanguard subreddit that they said that they were only looking for the "cool" stuff, not the historical accurate stuff...
A sign of mad disinterest and disrespect to history. I’m sick of these companies and part of society is so dumbed down made soft. I don’t blame some of these people not liking a lot of brutality, but it is so important for us to get uncomfortable that we can learn and get stronger. We live in a world of snowflakes.
@SkyPilot-qx2sb they're gonna make a ww2 game for next gen, they always make one, cod waw for 360 ps3, cod ww2 for xbox one ps4, and now this shit shit. Won't be long until we get vanguard 2 lmao.
@@skxlter5747 a good time for another Yoda Quote or more like an exchange between him and Luke (with different names fitting the context of course): *new WW2 cod is announced* Fans of Cod/Whales: IM NOT AFRAID. Old Veterans remembering the glory days: …you will be…. YOU WILL BE.
@@Voucher765 only one small unit in British military used Garands, that is 6. Commando, and that is only because they """borrowed""" them from US in Africa. It's like saying MP40 and MG42s "did see service with the British Army" because sometimes they used captured ones. And honestly it would still be more true than claiming Garands were... No British paratrooper unit ever used Garands.
@@Voucher765 context totally matters, a British para being dropped in with one implies he was issued it, not procured like the weapons you just yoink throughout the game. So yes, this depiction is inaccurate.
Worth A Buy made an excellent observation about the Operation Tonga mission. According to the developers Richard Webb is based on Lt. Col. Terence Otway, who was actually the CO of the 9th Parachute Battalion and was actually the one who led the assault on the Merville battery. Having a black main character in a WWII game is perfectly fine, but what isn't fine is elevating the representation of black soldiers by deliberately devaluing the achievements and sacrifices of actual men who were there; basically calling Otway a coward and awarding his role in the Normandy invasion to someone else. It's really shameful, and that can be said to be a woke part of the game.
That’s fascinating as I was reading about Lt Col Otway during my research and I had no idea they based Webb on him. That’s so interesting as in that case that they would mess with the ranks to ensure Arthur outranks Webb.
What got me about Arthur wasn't so much his very presence, because there WERE black paratroopers in the British forces, so much as... everything else. The historical figure he was supposedly based on only seems to share the fact that he was a black paratrooper. Sidney Cornell was a common man, the son of an African-American, who joined the army in 1943, became a runner in the seventh parachute battalion, and was a sergeant at the time of his death. Arthur Kingsley is a nobleman of the Duala people of Cameroon who attended Cambridge at 16, participated in the Dunkirk evacuation, returned to Britain to become a sergeant in the ninth parachute battalion, dropped into Normandy as a squad leader, making it to Lieutenant by the end of the war. Arthur Kingsley wasn't, in any way, based on Cornell. They weren't even in the same damn unit for Christ's sake. They just said he was so they could point to Cornell and say "see, there were black paratroopers!" and pretend that the racism and classism of the British army (and British society at large) didn't exist.
Lyudmila Pavlichenko is clearly the prototype for the girl of Stalingrad. However, she was born not far away for Kyiv as an ethnical ukrainian. She was defending Sevastopol during the Crimean campaign in 1942. She was also there during Siege of Odessa. *She was never is Stalingrad, however.* The nickname given was 'Lady Death' and was used by western allies only due to its inappropriateness in USSR. The overarching plot of this sad game is bonkers ofc, but what's bothering me even more is that they came up with some imagined heroes when there are real ones
Also the story claiming her sole actions somehow motivated the entire Soviet populace to counterattack is such a slap to the face of the real men and women who died in the national, emphasis, national effort in Stalingrad.
The Japanese soldiers didn't give a hoot about the POWs! Not that they killed them en masse like the Germans did to the Jews. They saw surrender as dishonorable and forfeit of life. At best, the POWs would go through hard labor and/or torture. At worst, certain death. Really makes the first American mission in ''COD: World At War'' pretty darn accurate by comparison!
There was even one Japanese garrison where POWs were used as a practice targets for bayonet attacks and the other prisoners were forced to watch. Sometimes killed prisoners were even eaten. Officers from said garrison were executed after the war because of it. Vanguard's depiction is pathetic compared to World at War.
The only instance that made the Japanese act differently than what they usually do to POWs is when they captured the Ghost of Bataan, and that was because Arthur Wermoth literally fought until he passed out, and the Japanese were still afraid of him despite being captured
@RaRmAn most modern ww2 games will always display germany as wholly evil but refuse to view japan and other axis allies the same way. Japan was worse than Germany but they get a pass because they didn't make it a race war, simply killing every single non japanese thing.
I thought the Japanese body count was actually higher than the Getmans. Only difference being they saw basically everyone they fought as equally lower than them and so treated them like animals (probably less than animals if we're being honest)
The biggest issue with Henry is that he’s a fake character who replaces a REAL person and is used as a way to try saying “the black man is better than everyone”, he’s somehow just the best soldier who doesn’t need help from anyone during D-Day and he completely ignores rank structure. Tells his superiors what to do, rallies the scared Brits (who are absolutely mortified and shell shocked) by saying “we’ve got a job to do”. Edit: The 93rd didn’t fight as a rescue unit on the island when they were there.
Which is doubly funny, considering that black soldiers in the British army had to defer (at least socially) to white soldiers, even if they were lower ranked.
@@lucyfir2166 I loved black Robuck from World at War and Japanese Reznov from WaW and Black Ops, cant forget Korean Weaver infiltrating the russians in black ops, maybe we're forgetting American Tian Zao from Black ops 2
Exactly my problem with it… wanna have a realistic black character in the game? Fine. Base it off something real. But to throw a random black character in just for the sake of him being black, is ridiculous.
The problem with the Tuskegee airmen (and the airman you play in the game, for that matter) is... why the hell would you be playing an airman in a first person shooter? Sure, the idea of a downed airman having to fight his way to safety has some merit, but... not in a game about some dude assembling a crack team of commandos. It could've worked in CoD2 or WaW, but not this game. Instead of that, why not just have one of the main characters be one of the black soldiers you encounter?
@@Man77772 Playing as an pilot AT ALL makes zero sense for the kind of story Vanguard is trying to tell. Why would a pilot be recruited to be part of some kind of secret group of commando operators?
The reason why they made Vanguard into what it was is because they wanted to have the feel of the Modern Warfare series in a WWII setting, This was also done for World At War and COD WWII but it was done way better. There was also a mention of an RPG but that term didn't exist until the 50s during the Cold War years
Wasn't World at War well into development prior to the announcement of COD4? My understanding was Treyarch had no idea that COD4 was in a modern setting when they did the majority of development on WaW.
Also in the Stalingrad mission they call Molotov cocktails, well, Molotovs. That doesn't seem realistic, if we think about where the nickname comes from, but I'm not that educated on the topic. (Point being I doubt Soviets would call a weapon by a nickname that came from the enemy that is mocking a high ranking member in the party)
Yea didn't the Finns come up with the cheeky name? All 'guests' must be offered refreshment in the Finnish home so how about a nice warm bottle of spirits? Let no one say the Finns forget hospitality!
That is true in a sense, the first German units to enter Stalingrad in a sense would be the 16th Panzer division, as they entered the northern suburbs of Stalingrad the same day of the aerial attack, August 23rd. However the main push into Stalingrad would start mid September. So unless Polina laid unconscious for half a month you are correct!
@@seff6533 the woman they're pretending was in stalingrad, based on Lyudmila Pavlichenko, was never in stalingrad. It's a slap in the nuts for anyone who actually fought there.
Also it’s Stalingrad, a RUclipsr pointed out that it’s should be hands on deck and that everyone and I mean everyone should raise up defences and civilians are to be trained or at war since Stalin wants no retreat. But if you look a lot of people are just living in chill mode. Again, that’s what I’ve heard from a RUclipsr and from what I can gather and learned.
@@TwigSkits Well Molotov Coctails were named by the finish, but Soviets also called them like that after Winter War and they were mass produced on an industrial scale.
Another big reason why historical accuracy is important is that kids learn a lot from games and movies, and if you are pushing garbage kids won't know what's real and what's made up crap
FYI there's a grenade launcher in the game. There's also a concept prototype of the AK47 that never saw combat. Also a flashbang that was invented in the 60s.
I really feel like you should've mentioned the Einhorn Revolving Shotgun in the actual video. I know you said you weren't gonna nitpick the guns, but oh man, the Einhorn Revolving Shotgun.
If I were to expand on the guns, oh boy would that shotgun be top of the list. I really want to know why it was included, out of all the guns around that time, they chose one that was incredibly niche, literally only 100 were made.
@@retro_today I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was only something Steiner carried in his boss fight. I could imagine a high ranking SS (I believe) officer bringing an expensive hunting shotgun with him. That's at least decently plausible, if extremely unlikely. It probably DIDN'T happen, but it COULD'VE. What makes it inexcusable is that it's the default shotgun for... basically everywhere, from Normandy to Tobruk to Stalingrad to Bougainville. You encounter more of those shotguns in Stalingrad alone than were ever made total.
I understand they need a black character to fit the modern narrative, but also ignoring the hundreds of thousands of Indians and Nepalese Gurkhas that fought during the war for the British empire is just pathetic…
That's a great point. They just care about representing blacks. Everyone else can just suck it, apparently. Edit: if I remember correctly, those factions were in Cod2. I know that way more people were represented in that game, compared to today. And the best part, it wasn't forced. It was part of the story, so it doesn't have to be forced. It fits right in. Unlike modern COD.
The black soldiers were so tokenistic, at times it almost felt like they were intentionally playing up their blackness as a joke on their white rescuee. And that's probably the most charitable interpretation of them. Mhm hmmm, I sure do loves me some grits, Messeh Wade.
I hated those lines, as I said it really degrades them as a representation to just pure tokenisation. I understand trying to make them seem relatable, but god it’s so disrespectfully done
As if white people don't eat grits as well. I LOVE grits!!!!!!!!!!! They are being sooooooo tokenistic, that they are being racist. Worst part is, the developers are too blind to see it. I think they believe they are actually doing a good thing, but it seemed almost racist to me. That "I hope they have grits" line struck me weird. I surprised they didn't go with " I sho wud like me some cone bread". What idiots.
I know I'm probably gonna get crucified for this, but in my own opinion I've gathered from having mostly southern heritage, I don't think the grits line was completely off especially in the 1940's, but I'm just a stranger on the internet so take my word with a grain of salt
In the real life military, I used to be in the USMC and the black marines would do this shit as a joke, I didn't see these scenes and I dont care for the game but maybe it was a joke. My roommate was black, he would say shit like "yes massah" when a sergeant told him to do something. So maybe it was meant as a joke and if not it's just stupid
This game just makes me miss the days of CoD Finest Hour, where you played as a female Russian sniper and a black tank commander, and it wasn’t some awful forced commentary, you just played them and learned something neat about that time in history. Where did all the subtlety and nuance go?
Because they focus on forcing social politics of today on a game meant to depict WWII. They also make the weapons and equipment to cater to the gamer of today. Back during the old games, you never had red dots and drum magazines on them. The only exception would be the Thompson which did in fact accept drum magazines, but the ones issued in WWII were given 20 or 30 round stick magazines, primarily because of weight and reliability concerns.
I still long for Finest Hour multiplayer. It's what got me into shooters. That and Medal of Honor. I used to play on a server called "The Dog Pound". It was bolt action rifles only, and no scopes. All iron sights. God I loved that game. Are there still active COD1 servers?
@@dynagaming2693exactly. Liberals are ruining gaming. Some social commentary has to be included in everything these days. How about just tell the story.
Little fun fact: In WaW according to a cutscene the Miller, Roebuck and Sullivan have also fought in Bougainville in 1943. Kinda shame that they weren't seen or mentioned since Vanguard shares the same timeline with waw and black ops
From what I can tell, this game would have been far more realistic if they showed how Stalin teamed up with the evil ice queen to freeze the sun, then push to Paris with the intent of using the Eiffel Tower as the frame for a massive laser. They met little resistance due to the panic by the Germans as to why the sun disappeared so they were quick to surrender. Then the Soviets encounter the Japanese Air Force, who didn’t want to loose the previously German occupied territory to the Soviets, just outside of Paris in the Battle of Britain, only for the Soviets to win because of a new plane they made the year prior: the MiG-21. We then end the campaign with American joining in the last days of the battle and then seeing cutscene where a British unit find hitler’s bunker and are very shocked by their secret weapon that was supposed to be deployed just the next week: the potato. I guarantee you that would be more realistic and historically accurate.
14:48 what's more shocking is the Soviet warcrimes are rarely depicted, matter of fact they are mostly treated as "heroes", but they did worse atrocities than Germans
If you're talking numbers, that's objectively not true. I won't say they didn't happen, but the Wehrmacht and German governmental apparatus absolutely killed a lot more people
One thing I noticed in the Stalingrad mission was the T-34/85 being in the wrong year of the war. Stalingrad takes place in 1942 when t-34’s were armed with 76mm guns with a 2 man turret. While the T-34/85 didn’t exist until late 1943 around the battle of Kursk when armed with the new 85mm gun with a 3 man turret. Plus! Judging on the white markings it had on the turret the tank was probably part of a tank unit that existed around 1944 or 1945
Its like they told their 3d artists to just throw random ww2 guns and ww2 equipment without any research. Then the research team just grabbed a list of like 5 bullet point summary of these missions "british, paratroopers, some guns to blow up, a base, and the ocean nearby" and then they just fill it with some story with 0 real research. Horrendous. Then the guns, the whole game is awful
They could have done so much more with Bougainville. 2nd and 3rd Raiders have Latino and Native Americans in its ranks so they have their diversity. The Battles through Cape Torakina to the Piva Forks and Hellzapoppin Ridge are filled with action (in my opinion at least) and Bougainville itself was the stuff of nightmare fuel. They could have done so much with it but they chose to shoehorn the 93rd division in a fictional encounter that what their real battles were like on the Numa Numa trail.
They only want to represent black people. The Latinos and Natives can kick rocks as far as COD is concerned. There was better representation of EVERYONE in the old COD games.
Stalingrad had huge strategic importance. Not only because it was an industrial center, but also because it was a major point in logistics between Baku (source of most of the oil in USSR at a time) and Central USSR/Russia
It _was_ important in the sense that it was on the axis to the Caucasian oil fields (which, at various times, were some of Hitler's objectives. I believe at one point he even envisioned a huge pincer maneuver beginning in Stalingrad and the Middle East and converging through Turkey and the Caucasus), but its name ended up drawing in more troops than it warranted on both sides, due to the egos of the national leaders.
It's kinda spooky in war how most soldiers never get any confirmed kills, but then you'll hear about a sniper who confirmed 200+, or a US tommy gunner who lead an assault fireteam who lost count after 150 kills, or that one machinegunner at D-day who was responsible for well over half of Allied fatalities during June 6th. COD always tries to make its story about those sorts of guys. It never quite succeeds, but you can see what they are going for when you read about the insane death dealt out by certain snipers, paratroopers and machinegunners. Brothers in Arms did it best, loosely basing the two player characters on two guys who took out an entire Germany company at XYZ with just a fireteam each. Really need a modern remake of those games, but I doubt any modern devs could put in the attention to detail, or make a game where your character isn't accurate under fire and needs to rely on AI teammates for even the most basic battlefield move.
I don’t even mind historical inaccuracies as long as it doesn’t completely pull me out of the atmosphere. Battlefield 1 is a perfect example of this in action. But in the case of Vanguard’s campaign, I had to stop and question why the developers made half the choices that ended up in the game. Why did a Japanese soldier ask an American in perfect English if he spoke Japanese? Why did the Soviet Union agree to put one of their supposed best soldiers on a team with an American, instead of on their own frontlines? Why does said team have a fighter pilot on it when they’re a ground-based unit? Aren’t they kinda wasting his skill set by not having him in a plane? Why are they called the vanguard anyway when they seem to run infiltration missions, which is pretty much the opposite of what a vanguard does? How did this team even get assembled? Wouldn’t their countries want them to be fighting on their own lines, that way their efforts would be more spread out? It’s like they wanted to make the game zany like Wolfenstein, but still retain the ability to brag about how it portrays perspectives of all fronts of the war.
I am a huge firearm enthusiast and as far as the guns are concerned two of the most stupid ones are removing the stocks from both the MG-42 and STG-44, they would flat out not work as the recoil spring that the bolt pushes against to eject the spent round and pickup the next extends into said stock. No stock = no spring, no spring = a single shot weapon at best and at worst without the spring to slow the mass of the bolt down you would fire it once and get a heavy chunk of steel punching a big hole in your shoulder or face. they literally put 0 thought into how real firearms work when they made the weapon customizations and purely went with the rule of cool or what shooters set in modern times do. Not to mention that removing the stock from an MG-42 even if it COULD function would be totally uncontrollable due to the recoil of 1200 rounds per minute of 7.92x57mm when fired from anything but a mounted position, with a stock it is possible to fire it while standing in very short bursts but anything more than that would knock you on your ass due to the muzzle rise.
First of all why would anybody remove stock from anything... apart from some unique cases like sawn-off weapons which is only to make them easier to disguise, stocks are there to help you aim and control weapon better. What madman thought up removal of stock as some kind of "upgrade"?
I think they should hire someone like you to participate in making these kind historical war games. The suggestions you give about dialoge and presentation, and staying true to the actual facts of the battels would've made this the best ww 2 game ever.
"Yes, I paid money for this experience" As a fellow history buff and aspiring historian from across the pond, I know that pain well, friend. I usually go into and experience a Call of Duty game by playing the campaign first. I was one of those unfortunates who bought the game, believing that the campaign was going to be like the stories told in prior Medal of Honor games and Blazing Angels 2: a WW2 story that is fictional in nature, but rooted in the deep historical authenticity that has been cultivated by not only past WW2 CoD titles, but also past WW2 games and other WW2 media. A WW2 story that was going to tell the story of the first special forces, such as the SAS, the British Commandos, the Devil's Brigade, the SOE, and the OSS just to name a few. I even bought a book about the secret operations in WW2 thanks to this damn game. Instead, what we got is a stinking pile of historically inaccurate, historically inauthentic nonsense I have ever had the misfortune of ever playing in my 28 years of existence, as well as the most cursed gun attachment combinations I have ever seen. Call of Duty: World at War on Veteran difficulty (yes, including the incessant grenade spam) was more entertaining than this mess. I feel bad for Jonathan Ferguson for having to endure those cursed guns, but at least he has his emotional support STG-44 to rely on. www.reddit.com/r/CODVanguard/comments/qt5nvb/vanguard_a_review_from_a_historians_perspective/ This review of Vanguard I found on Reddit goes into more detail about the game's flaws in historical accuracy and authenticity than I could ever on a single RUclips comment. One thing was how the 93rd Infantry, the segregated unit featured in the 1943 Bougainville mission, was not deployed there until March of 1944 and did not see much action throughout the war, mostly due to how segregated units were treated by US military command at that time. The Reddit user said it best: "What is really frustrating about this decision by Sledgehammer to use the 93rd is the opposite of what they probably intended. They wanted to show some of the underbelly of the Greatest Generation, that there still existed this perverse system of segregation and that while colored soldiers could fight and die no different than their fair skinned counterparts, they were often denied that right. While a great idea and something I'd love to see in a video game, they chose to pick some random unit that didn't even fight in this campaign at the time portrayed. They could have honored an actual colored unit and the actual sacrifices they made for a country that marginalized them. Good examples would have been the 17th Special Seabee or the 16th Marine Field Depot which were two segregated Marine units that fought so bravely during a counterattack on Peleliu Island that the 7th Marines may not have repulsed the enemy without them. They received a Presidential Unit Citation for their actions." (Yes, I understand the 93rd Infantry did see some action against the Japanese, as shown by the Silver Stars awarded to Pvt. Isaac Sermon and SSgt. Rothschild Webb respectively, but I would like to further reiterate the Reddit user's posts by saying this was after the 93rd deployed in March 1944, not 1943 as Vanguard so haphazardly proliferates) On another matter, one of the lead writers for Vanguard told in a panel the following: "We came into this process saying, 'how do we make the iconic CoD characters?', because you don't really have that in Call of Duty right now." After reading that, I can hear characters like WWII-era characters (Cpt. Price, Maj. Ingram, Sgt. Sullivan, Cpl. Roebuck, Pvt. Polonsky, Sgt. Reznov, Pvt. Dimitri Petrenko, and Pvt. Chernov) and the other characters from the MW and BO series saying, "Are we a joke to you?!" On a happier note, I have watched Guy Ritchie's "Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare" and, while still heavily fictionalizing the events of Operation Postmaster, there is also a deep abiding respect to the historical events the movie is based upon, which Vanguard clearly lacks. It instilled in me a desire to learn more about Operation Postmaster, Gus March-Phillips, and other operations conducted by the Special Operations Executive and the Office of Strategic Services.
They’d probably make it woke and whittled down. I think it’s fine as it is, we just gotta get it hyped up again and convince others that games don’t have to have such high level graphics to be good, every game like Medal of Honor and Brothers in Arms can be good, you just gotta look deeper unlike those that just gloss over it and ignore it. Developers try so hard to make good games only for only some people to not be ignorant and realize how hard it is to make a good game. There’s many who do realize and understand how hard it is to make a good game.
Something to mention as well is the T-34-85 in Stalingrad. A tank that if I'm recalling correctly was only invented/deployed in 1944. (Or was it 1943? I can't recall currently rn but i suspect I'm right with 1944)
Watching this after making my own fictitious WW2 campaign for TTRPG's makes it that much more odd at just how much Vanguard messed it up. Information for major events during WW2 is so available that I can get down to the week something is taking place. Especially for big events like the Invasion of Normandy and the Battle of Stalingrad. Its so easy to find info that I'm looking for that it takes around 5 minutes of extra time at the beginning of planning a session to fact check everything.
17:50 because soviet binoculars had better magnification and light transmission than sniper scope, and i think, she uses standard PE/PEM scope which had magnification ×3,87
See, a lot of people do jump the gun on calling everything"woke" but this game is also one of the first textbook examples of why it's such a bad idea to force diversity. Most of the things depicted in this game are somewhat based on truth, but the writers and designers ham fisted true history into whatever garbage story they were telling.
You should check out Call of Duty 2. I don’t know exactly how accurate it is but it’s got to be miles better than Vanguard. It’s my personal favorite WW2 CoD (and CoD in general), and maybe my favorite single player WW2 campaign in general out of any game. It’s so underrated and forgotten compared to World at War, which is a shame because from an accuracy and authenticity standpoint I actually think it does a better job in every department besides blood and gore, something I don’t think is quite as important as people make it out to be
It’s like 50-60 percent accurate in my opinion but historically authentic accurate idk about uniforms , weapons etc and yes it’s way better than vanshit
@@angusmitchell4026 I would say there’s a lot of nitpicks of inaccuracies in COD2’s but nothing to the degree of Vanguards. 2 did have some interesting subtle accuracies that like Fat German Soldiers in the Western front.
Diversity over "equality" as well. I just want good games. I'm 44 and have been gaming for a long time. I miss COD1&2. If they were still active, I'd be playing them, not any new COD. They were just, better. Storyline and all. COD1 was sooooooo immersive for me. What happened to gaming?
The T-34 variant depicted in Stalingrad at 13:35 would not be made until well after the Battle of Stalingrad, almost a year after the battle had ended no less, with production of the T-34-85 only beginning in January 1944. Why they did this, I have no idea. It makes no sense to substitute actual T-34 variants that would have been in Stalingrad at the time, or the use of other Soviet Armor, with a model that wouldn't even exist as a prototype, let alone a production model, until well after the battle scene it is depicted in.
a PU scope is 3.5 zoom. WW2 Soviet binoculars were 4x at the very least and went up to 8x. it's realistic that she uses binoculars, it's unrealistic that her rifle has variable zoom. WW2 snipers were designated marksmen by today's standards, not assassins.
It's probably supposed to be the PE or PEM scope which were produced earlier than the PU and a copy of the Zeiss. I believe that's actually the scope Zaitsev used so not inaccurate for a Stalingrad setting.
17:52 It's just one of the earlier scopes used by the Soviet Union, specifically the PEM, the scope mount is a dead give away. They did test Zeiss scopes early in the '30's, but ultimately went with a design heavily influenced by the Emil Busch "Visar" 5 scopes, which went on to become the PE and then the PEM. There is a famous Soviet female sniper that primarily used a PEM scope, I don't remember her name off the top of my head but I would guess they picked the PEM to evoke her image, as it is a bit late for someone to be issued a PEM since they were being supplanted by PU scopes at the time, but it wasn't unheard of. 21:25 Also, can't believe I'm going to do this lol, but I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here for a bit. It's entirely possible that he could only know enough English to understand some basic stuff and ask some reeeally basic questions, "do you speak Japanese" could literally be the extent of it. For example, the vast majority of my Spanish is just knowing how to say, "Sorry, my Spanish is very bad, do you speak English?" If you asked me to string together an entire interrogation I'd be dead in the water. Is the scene unlikely? Sure. Is it impossible that a Japanese soldier could know a few English words? I don't think so. I hope this doesn't come off as overly critical, that's not my intention as I quite like this video, you've done a great job breaking down this mess of a game.
did you miss that at the time 13:36 you can see a t34-85 with battle of berlin markings when the setting is in 1942 and the t34-85 did not come into service with the soviet army until 1944 and the victory markings were not issued until march of 1945
I love that you summerized what people expect of an historic shooter. If i wanted to play an alt hist game, i could play Wolfenstein or ÜberSoldier. Espacially COD did such an amazing job in there first two games, mixing the story of normal soldiers in to an fast pace action shooter. (Okey i'm actually also a fan of COD: World at war, but more as a prestory to the Black ops series.)
My grandfather was in the 9th cavalry reconnaissance troop, 93rd Infantry Division. They had to go behind enemy lines on Bougainville. The stories he told me when he felt like it. 😢
One of my biggest issues with this game is the pushing of agendas. Old CoDs like Finest Hour had Black and Female characters, but they made sense, like Tanya Pavelona who was a female Russian Sniper or Sam Rivers a Black Tanker in Patton's 3rd army. This stuff actually happened, yet they instead want to change history, when History is already diverse.
Even old Medal of Honor Allied Assault had black and female characters. This is what infuriates me about this woke shit, they always overdo it and it's so obvious this entire thing is "look! we have colored men added here! give us money now"; while also pretending like they're breaking some massive taboo and being "first" while it's a thing that has been done for ages - just nobody was so morally bankrupt before to try and make such thing their selling point.
@@czwarty7878 This is what you get when the decisions are made by people in boardrooms who have never used the product or spoken to someone who does. They don't care about the quality of the product, just whether it makes money. Typical capitalists.
"Fourth Reich"? This isn't bloody Wolfenstein, it's World War 2. If you want to make an alternate history of World War 2 like Wolfenstein then sure but if it's purportedly World War 2 then make it ABOUT World War 2. I didn't know about Sidney Cornell myself so I actually learned something new so that's neat. Sort of like how in that one World War 1 game they showed the Harlem Hell Fighters whose history I find really interesting. Other than that, people really need to do their research when it comes to actual battlefield protocol. And they just assume every single white person back then was racist and acted like it even during moments where they could very well be killed.
Silent Storm had quite interesting alternative history storyline, IMO, even though some of the technical stuff out there looks way too modern, like the laser gun satellite that looks like it was built in 2000s.
During all wars, from WW1, WW2 and American Civil War, soldiers who fought alongside black soldiers had no hate for eachother. Its stupid that they act like they do. You can go to war alongside the person you hate in the whole world and end up close friends after because such experience tightens bonds. No soldier is going to be racist, because at the end of the day I have to rely to the guy to my left no matter his skin color. Unfortunately, companies like to push "this game is set in the past so the white people MUST be racist". Hard to be racist to someone you eat with, train with, sleep in the same area with and shoot and get shot at with.
I really appreciate that despite talking about the various inaccuracieis you were really respectful to the colored and female soldiers that fought in the war acknowledging that they did play a big part. Most youtubers who talk about this game just brush them off as "woke propaganda".
Thank you! I do think it’s important to highlight their importance in the war effort and while vanguard did this horribly, I wanted to expand on the real stories throughout the war and I wish they could have tried to portray those rather than this complete rewrite.
I agree, you were also very reserved and only criticized and used examples when necessary. A lot of RUclipsrs make lazy complaints to extend the video's time. You've got my sub, thank you. I also bought this with real money and I should have waited for a sale 🤣
They don't "brush off" actual colored and female soldiers who actually fought, they just notice what is in this game is tokenistic and, actually, woke. That is definition of such fake virtue signalling. There were black and female soldiers already in Medal of Honor Allied Assault, in 2002. Nobody had a problem with it. But people do have a problem when their inclusion is obviously tokenistic and politically motivated, it's just fake, annoying and insulting to any thinking person
Polina in this game though was kind of pushed as some sole hero of the Red Army "USSR had hope" because of her. Yeah the women snipers were important, but they were just as important as any unit. I mean what is the point of snipers if you don't have infantry to push up, or infantry without armor. They should've gone the WaW route where it seems nobody was actually important and weren't full heros for the whole of USSR. Like only guy Dmitri is important simply because he hoisted the flag. But he wasn't glorified and revered by all of USSR like Polina somehow is. Her story comes off as a forced "women strong" thing. I think that's the only complaint you can have as her, I kind of wish they actually chose someone like Mariya Oktyabrskaya, husband gets killed sells possessions and pays for a tank to drive in war, that is a better story than one of the hundreds of women snipers.
There are so many things that baffle me with Vanguard. Like why does the pilot character in the Campaign (forgot his name lol) fight on the ground instead of providing air support for the Vanguard team?!! 🤣
I don’t think it’s the far fetched that the one Japanese soldier would be able to ask something simple like “do you speak Japanese” and not be at a translator level.
They also don't get the armored vehicles right in several missions. In the Stalingrad/Lady Nightingale missions, they show multiple T-34-85s which didn't even enter service/combat until 1944. Also in Bougainville, they have Shermans with a 76mm? or 17-pounder? (It's really weird, cause it's longer than a 76, but the muzzle brake looks like a 76, and doesn't have the 17-pounder counterweight on the back), and if it was the 76 with a muzzle brake, it doesn't have the classic HVSS suspension that all 76mm Shermans had; And not to mention that they first 76mm Sherman didn't see frontline combat till Operation Cobra in 1944.
11:50 - a major railroad artery, an industrial powerhouse, a large tank and tractor plant, and a river port - and it's not a strategic target, don't bullshit me. It's true that at the same time Germans have sent troops to charge the Caucasus and take over oil fields in Chechnya, but saying that Stalingrad had no strategic value for german high command is nonsense. 12:09 never heard about Stalingrad being a model city for the country. There were many other cities and establishments named after Stalin - Stalinabad (modern day Dushanbe, Tajikistan), Stalinogorsk (Novomoskovsk, Russia) and so on. There were other cities that have been experimented with as the ways to try out the new ways of urban planning, most notably Moscow and Leningrad, as well as new cities that were a part of massive industrialization campaign, like Magnitogorsk. One of the main reasons for naming the city Stalingrad was the fact that it was called Tsarytsin (the Tsarina's city) before and because of Stalin's accomplishments as the man in charge of the city defense during Civil War. The battle of Tsarytsin has been one of the major points of Civil War. 12:45 Komsomol never conducted firearms training for civilians. Osoaviakhim (Society for defence, air force and chemical defence) did, though. The "Voroshilov's riflemen" were the civilians that went through the training and participated in various shooting competitions. The rifle, though, is an actual sign of status there. Before WWI and up until 1980s most of the civilian hunters used to own shotguns. During Civil War most of the rifles owned by civilians and undesireable groups (bandits, deserters) were to be confiscated, and only local Party members could keep a handgun and a rifle for protection. After Civil War many regulations were softened, in 1930s there were many rimfire rifles available for trainees and hunters, but getting a full power centerfire rifle was still difficult, unless you were a professional hunter who used to sell large game meat to the food factories, provided wildlife security or been a person of status. Though even so most of soviet VIP hunters preferred double shotguns. The first rifle scope made for civilian market was introduced some time before the gernan invasion, it was a version of a soviet PE military scope, so it fits the time just right 13:38 what bothers me is that in the game there seem to be little to no anti air defense whatsoever. The air raid was massive, there were heavy bombers with fighter escort, but there had to be some AA guns on the ground. 14:05 not to mention that they got so far right after the bombing 17:55 the scope offers less FOV and lower magnification. And it's not Zeiss, it's a variant of PE sight. Which was inspired by Zeiss and Busch Visar scopes. The scope mount is based on German side rail mounts manufactured by Geco back then and today similar mounts are offered by EAW Apel
i know this is old Im a WWII Buff my self and i completely didnt notice that Lady Nightingale mission took place in Jan 1943 i laughed when i saw you mention it and the whole thing "she inspired them to go on the offensive" Its like no there on the offensive because the Nazi's have no food, fuel, ammo and are trapped lmao
I think it's worth mentioning that Webb is actually a sergeant the same as Arthur, not a corporal. As they're the same rank, the argument scene is probably them debating whose in charge and whose orders they're going to follow. Needless to say, Paras are indeed professionals and it should be a unanimous decision that they go and complete the mission.
17:26 Paulus did not surrender his men, he ordered them to do what they think is best (he had also at that point lost contact with about half of the remaining German soldiers still fighting in Stalingrad) the Soviet generals where angry and demanded he order his men's total surrender and he simply told them that he couldn't. Tldr Paulus only surrendered himself and his immediate staff who where found surrounded by food, warmth and plenty of cigars while the lower ranks where out in Stalingrad fighting in the snow and ruins, some where even reported trying to walk back to the German frontlines, some Soviet soldiers where left Stalingrad to mop up the few Germans who remained while the rest left to fight against the main German army in the east. 19:22 there are also German records of digging out frozen horses around Christmas to eat them as back when they died the men still had an incoming supply of food, but as they where cut of from food supplies from back home they made due with even the dead carcass of their animals. 21:10 some Japanese soldiers could speak English, as they did study pre ww2 in UK and US higher education schools, however these by the time of ww2 where higher ranking officers usually at the rank of captain in the navy or higher, some more successful army officers in the Pacific knew of the American tactics due to studying in America and orderd their men to wait untill the Americans had landed in full force before opening fire rather than try and physically remove them from the beach as soon as they landed as some officers fresh out of the Imperial Japanese military academy did, only resulted in mass casualties and their own deaths as they led from the front with their katana.
One note about the Stalingrad mission is that you can hear civilians talk of leaving the city before the bombardment… Stalin would never have allowed that
I think inaccuracies in weaponry, uniforms, equipment, vehicles is perfectly fine in multiplayer, like it's already so disconnected from reality and they have to deal with balancing and complex progression systems that those sorts of limitations don't make sense. However in single player they really should be trying to stick to history with only a little artistic license, especially where their inaccuracies actually make for a worse story.
I think it’d be pretty cool if someone made a game where it’s a “what if” scenario. Like “what if the Allie’s failed to capture the beaches of Normandy”. First they’d give a history lesson on actual events like “on June 6 1944 the Allie’s invaded the beaches of Normandy and successfully did so, this is a what if scenario if they wasn’t the case and the German army successfully repelled them”
Can you imagine a Call of Duty WW2 game where you are specifically playing historical characters. You play as actual soldiers who undertook multiple missions, and in the final mission, you die, and whatever outcome was historical is what happens. You make it to the bridge, but the Germans blow it, you DON'T save it in time, and you, along with many other men, die. An epitaph of what happened, what REALLY happened, and that ends that character's campaign. It'd be amazing.
What annoys me about the sniper woman, how the germans put posters around stalingrad as if they had material to print on, with a perfect image of her and how, somehow all of the USSR soldiers had hope because of her. Its annoying how games do this. They take historic context and then say "they had hope in one person" its not how militaries work, the fronts are too huge for everyone to know one woman, and doubly impossible for the germans to know its just one sniper unless she somehow got hundreds of kills. Its unrealistic and make it seem like some marvel movie. In older games like WW2, WaW there was no heros, there was no recognition by enemy of you. You were revered by reznov but you werent revered by the whole army. Its like how any platoon sees it. Each one has their own "hero" or guy theyd follow to death. In WW2 you werent revered you were just a soldier being a soldier. Adding this whole "the hero of the red army Polina" just makes it some cartoon
By time I got to the end of the game I was half expecting to fight Hitler and his faithful mp7, one on one as a Aztec priest
No. Instead, Stalin teamed up with the evil ice queen to freeze the sun, then push to Paris with the intent of using the Eiffel Tower as the frame for a massive laser. They met little resistance due to the panic by the Germans as to why the sun disappeared so they were quick to surrender. Then the Soviets encounter the Japanese Air Force, who didn’t want to loose the previously German occupied territory to the Soviets, just outside of Paris in the Battle of Britain, only for the Soviets to win because of a new plane they made the year prior: the MiG-21. We then end the campaign with American joining in the last days of the battle and then seeing cutscene where a British unit find hitler’s bunker and are very shocked by their secret weapon that was supposed to be deployed just the next week: the potato.
@@DaYemenball Too much work to not have more likes 😂
@@DaYemenballnew ww2 alt history game just dropped??
@@Evan_G210 bro was goin in hahahah
I preferred World at War over this
Pretty sure everyone did.
Same, Any of the og COD games is better than this rubbish
who doesn't?
I rather play CoD WaW playing US Marine and Red Army, rather than Vanguard with forced non-sense Diversity Super Soldier with their non-senses shitty backstory
I prefer truth over fabricated super man fairy tales
5:54 was a pure “9mm rounds can blow the lungs out of your body” moment.
so real
I am sure those are the new Wunderwaffe , ´´experimental super 9x19 mm parabellum explosive incendiary rounds´´, what a ´´TOTALLY NOT MADE UP ACCURATE CONTENT ´´ .
Germans used incediary , or armour piercing amunition for their guns, but incendiary for MG to fight planes, or anti air defences, armour piercing, here and there to a soldier, to damage enemy light vehicles, which someone mind get, but only in limited numbers, this is just EEWW .
yeah I was like WTF was that
Hey, but if it was a .22, you might be able to get it out
It’s just further evidence of COD’s utter laziness. Part of what made WAW so dark wasn’t just the gore and dismemberment but that it was not only realistic in appearance but didn’t just happen at any time, and was more realistic overall. Ripping limbs from explosives, heavy caliber guns and machine guns made sense. This doesn’t at all.
The Merville battery being under German control until August just floored me. Had no idea that the British paras had such tough luck on D-Day.
At Merville yes at Pegasus Bridge they accomplished their objectives granted at steep cost.
ikr
@sss1111ify
And to make it worse one of the characters is a female
WW2 games need to stop adding fucking female soldiers
American paratroopers, Devils in Baggy Pants, are so much better
@@JumpDaddy70not anymore they're not
My favorite pet peeve is when they censor the flag for Germany. Look at World at War on multiplayer, it was a RESOUNDING success when it was uncensored and bare for all to see.
I hate it when they censor the flags, I hate it when they censor anything really. I hate it when they change something for the comforts of society. I say, I don't care about the comforts of society. They should be uncomfortable, they should be uneasy, they should be ANGRY at the horrors mankind has wrought. So it will never be repreated again. History, whether it be in a game, movie, or book, should never be censored for any reason. Period.
I know it sounds petty of me to be focused on the flag, but to me, it reflects what kind of game company we're dealing with. Those who are more likely to cave to the pressures of mainstream media and society.
100% Agree with you. The censoring and lightening up of WW2 media is actually something I hate so much. Entertainment products like movies and games really dumb everything down and for some reason nobody wants to match the brutality and realistic views from films such as Schindler's list or the soviet film come and see. Even schindlers list had to somewhat lessened because the real brutality was considered "unbelievable". I understand games and media need to be graded for public consumption, but surely there comes a point where we have to portray the real history they're trying to rewrite.
That is a thing WW2 games have been doing for quite awhile though. I remember the old MoH games such as European Assault doing it. I think the reasoning was to prevent the games from being banned in countries like Germany where Nazi symbols are not permitted in media unless it's specifically for educational purposes.
It is silly, of course. Censorship laws generally are.
Thing is, WaW stat’s had more sells in Germany than famous censored Nazi fighting games, even today in the stats it almost reached newer cods
well said. the woke need to lose big time
It’s not so dumb when you realize it’s for the game to sell in places were it is an issue or banned. It’s why most of the time it’s okay in single player but no in multiplayer were you could play from people anywhere around the world so it’s best to only let the flag be shown in campaign
A Japanese man asking a white American man in the 1940s if he speaks Japanese is ridiculous😂
Or any American for that matter
*_"Ū speeko Japaneēs!?_** ME KŌWBOI TANAKĀ!!!"*
He sho7ld ask him "do you want sushi?"
@@glidershowerhello I am cowboy Tanaka
*In English*
A sledgehammer Dev was at the ww2 museum for research for this game, and an employee from that place wrote on the vanguard subreddit that they said that they were only looking for the "cool" stuff, not the historical accurate stuff...
A sign of mad disinterest and disrespect to history. I’m sick of these companies and part of society is so dumbed down made soft. I don’t blame some of these people not liking a lot of brutality, but it is so important for us to get uncomfortable that we can learn and get stronger. We live in a world of snowflakes.
looking at your comment plus the tone of this game compared to something like World at War... Reminds me of a Yoda quote.
"That... is why you fail"
@SkyPilot-qx2sb they're gonna make a ww2 game for next gen, they always make one, cod waw for 360 ps3, cod ww2 for xbox one ps4, and now this shit shit. Won't be long until we get vanguard 2 lmao.
@@skxlter5747 a good time for another Yoda Quote or more like an exchange between him and Luke (with different names fitting the context of course):
*new WW2 cod is announced*
Fans of Cod/Whales: IM NOT AFRAID.
Old Veterans remembering the glory days: …you will be…. YOU WILL BE.
@@rayvaul3539 Life is brutal, but these people fail at it
Did that MP40 have explosive bullets? That enemy just got split in two.
The MP40 is as strong as Micah Bells legs
I think they stole the ammo from Wolfenstein (2009)
the mp stands for murder pulverizer
It might be hollow points but I don't think it existed during WWII or I can be wrong
The gore and impacts from bullets are overexaggerated
All rounds in the Campaign can be like that
Just a lil point when Arthur falls in the water he drops his ......M1 Garand.....
Believe it or not there were M1 Garands that did see service with the British Army alongside the Lee Enfield but not in large numbers like in game
@@Voucher765 only one small unit in British military used Garands, that is 6. Commando, and that is only because they """borrowed""" them from US in Africa. It's like saying MP40 and MG42s "did see service with the British Army" because sometimes they used captured ones. And honestly it would still be more true than claiming Garands were...
No British paratrooper unit ever used Garands.
@czwarty7878 True but my point is that it was actually not inaccurate to see one among the arsenal of the British military at the time
@@Voucher765yes but I highly doubt rifles would be deployed with paratroopers, if it was a carbine or submachine gun, it would be more believable
@@Voucher765 context totally matters, a British para being dropped in with one implies he was issued it, not procured like the weapons you just yoink throughout the game. So yes, this depiction is inaccurate.
Worth A Buy made an excellent observation about the Operation Tonga mission. According to the developers Richard Webb is based on Lt. Col. Terence Otway, who was actually the CO of the 9th Parachute Battalion and was actually the one who led the assault on the Merville battery.
Having a black main character in a WWII game is perfectly fine, but what isn't fine is elevating the representation of black soldiers by deliberately devaluing the achievements and sacrifices of actual men who were there; basically calling Otway a coward and awarding his role in the Normandy invasion to someone else. It's really shameful, and that can be said to be a woke part of the game.
That’s fascinating as I was reading about Lt Col Otway during my research and I had no idea they based Webb on him. That’s so interesting as in that case that they would mess with the ranks to ensure Arthur outranks Webb.
if only thing are get right and in order, otherwise, I won't dare to do it.
Yup true, I do like the fact they included people other backgrounds despite the inaccuracies
What got me about Arthur wasn't so much his very presence, because there WERE black paratroopers in the British forces, so much as... everything else. The historical figure he was supposedly based on only seems to share the fact that he was a black paratrooper.
Sidney Cornell was a common man, the son of an African-American, who joined the army in 1943, became a runner in the seventh parachute battalion, and was a sergeant at the time of his death.
Arthur Kingsley is a nobleman of the Duala people of Cameroon who attended Cambridge at 16, participated in the Dunkirk evacuation, returned to Britain to become a sergeant in the ninth parachute battalion, dropped into Normandy as a squad leader, making it to Lieutenant by the end of the war.
Arthur Kingsley wasn't, in any way, based on Cornell. They weren't even in the same damn unit for Christ's sake. They just said he was so they could point to Cornell and say "see, there were black paratroopers!" and pretend that the racism and classism of the British army (and British society at large) didn't exist.
@@IncredibleMDso well said. They pretty much are doing the same thing with assassin's creed now.
Lyudmila Pavlichenko is clearly the prototype for the girl of Stalingrad.
However, she was born not far away for Kyiv as an ethnical ukrainian.
She was defending Sevastopol during the Crimean campaign in 1942.
She was also there during Siege of Odessa.
*She was never is Stalingrad, however.*
The nickname given was 'Lady Death' and was used by western allies only due to its inappropriateness in USSR.
The overarching plot of this sad game is bonkers ofc, but what's bothering me even more is that they came up with some imagined heroes when there are real ones
Also the story claiming her sole actions somehow motivated the entire Soviet populace to counterattack is such a slap to the face of the real men and women who died in the national, emphasis, national effort in Stalingrad.
kiev, we are not ukranian
@@arkgaharandan5881 Google maps say otherwise
Theres no y in kiev just like zelenski doesnt have a dozen y’s at the end like the media alway add for some reason
@@arkgaharandan5881 Google maps say otherwise
The Japanese soldiers didn't give a hoot about the POWs! Not that they killed them en masse like the Germans did to the Jews. They saw surrender as dishonorable and forfeit of life. At best, the POWs would go through hard labor and/or torture. At worst, certain death.
Really makes the first American mission in ''COD: World At War'' pretty darn accurate by comparison!
There was even one Japanese garrison where POWs were used as a practice targets for bayonet attacks and the other prisoners were forced to watch. Sometimes killed prisoners were even eaten. Officers from said garrison were executed after the war because of it. Vanguard's depiction is pathetic compared to World at War.
The only instance that made the Japanese act differently than what they usually do to POWs is when they captured the Ghost of Bataan, and that was because Arthur Wermoth literally fought until he passed out, and the Japanese were still afraid of him despite being captured
@RaRmAn most modern ww2 games will always display germany as wholly evil but refuse to view japan and other axis allies the same way. Japan was worse than Germany but they get a pass because they didn't make it a race war, simply killing every single non japanese thing.
I thought the Japanese body count was actually higher than the Getmans. Only difference being they saw basically everyone they fought as equally lower than them and so treated them like animals (probably less than animals if we're being honest)
@@X-SPONGED
Ya imperialist Japan was like
"im better then you"
Adolf was like
"Damn Britain we homies, lemmie just keep Poland pls"
The biggest issue with Henry is that he’s a fake character who replaces a REAL person and is used as a way to try saying “the black man is better than everyone”, he’s somehow just the best soldier who doesn’t need help from anyone during D-Day and he completely ignores rank structure. Tells his superiors what to do, rallies the scared Brits (who are absolutely mortified and shell shocked) by saying “we’ve got a job to do”.
Edit: The 93rd didn’t fight as a rescue unit on the island when they were there.
Which is doubly funny, considering that black soldiers in the British army had to defer (at least socially) to white soldiers, even if they were lower ranked.
Its just anti white racism very common place these days i wonder whos the biggest pusher of it in media who 👃
They literally always have characters like that in COD. No one has ever gone crazy about it
@@lucyfir2166 I loved black Robuck from World at War and Japanese Reznov from WaW and Black Ops, cant forget Korean Weaver infiltrating the russians in black ops, maybe we're forgetting American Tian Zao from Black ops 2
Exactly my problem with it… wanna have a realistic black character in the game? Fine. Base it off something real. But to throw a random black character in just for the sake of him being black, is ridiculous.
On the Japanese why not show the japanese psychopathic warfare on atrocities and also why not show the Tuskegee if you want a black man.
The problem with the Tuskegee airmen (and the airman you play in the game, for that matter) is... why the hell would you be playing an airman in a first person shooter? Sure, the idea of a downed airman having to fight his way to safety has some merit, but... not in a game about some dude assembling a crack team of commandos. It could've worked in CoD2 or WaW, but not this game.
Instead of that, why not just have one of the main characters be one of the black soldiers you encounter?
@@IncredibleMDSo ? Wade was a pilot during midway plus the Tuskegee were shot down sometimes and still saw air combat
@@Man77772 Playing as an pilot AT ALL makes zero sense for the kind of story Vanguard is trying to tell. Why would a pilot be recruited to be part of some kind of secret group of commando operators?
@@IncredibleMD I don’t know that was one of my first thoughts about this campaign
@@IncredibleMD
Say you get stranded in enemy territory and your only way out is by plane...
The reason why they made Vanguard into what it was is because they wanted to have the feel of the Modern Warfare series in a WWII setting, This was also done for World At War and COD WWII but it was done way better. There was also a mention of an RPG but that term didn't exist until the 50s during the Cold War years
Wasn't World at War well into development prior to the announcement of COD4? My understanding was Treyarch had no idea that COD4 was in a modern setting when they did the majority of development on WaW.
Also in the Stalingrad mission they call Molotov cocktails, well, Molotovs. That doesn't seem realistic, if we think about where the nickname comes from, but I'm not that educated on the topic.
(Point being I doubt Soviets would call a weapon by a nickname that came from the enemy that is mocking a high ranking member in the party)
Yea didn't the Finns come up with the cheeky name? All 'guests' must be offered refreshment in the Finnish home so how about a nice warm bottle of spirits? Let no one say the Finns forget hospitality!
They put in so much effort to make levels look smoky and dirty and muddy and yet all the characters look so clean and immaculate.
But we need to see the individual pores on each character's face!!!! 😤😤😤
Didn't it also take the Germans many days to take over Stalingrad? The game shows that they took control in a matter of hours.
That is true in a sense, the first German units to enter Stalingrad in a sense would be the 16th Panzer division, as they entered the northern suburbs of Stalingrad the same day of the aerial attack, August 23rd. However the main push into Stalingrad would start mid September. So unless Polina laid unconscious for half a month you are correct!
@@retro_today Those darn Nazi coma bombs
@caseycole6551
The Russian character should be male
@@AshtonWilliams-iu3csno they shouldn't? There was an entire battalion of female snipers.
@@seff6533 the woman they're pretending was in stalingrad, based on Lyudmila Pavlichenko, was never in stalingrad. It's a slap in the nuts for anyone who actually fought there.
Also it’s Stalingrad, a RUclipsr pointed out that it’s should be hands on deck and that everyone and I mean everyone should raise up defences and civilians are to be trained or at war since Stalin wants no retreat. But if you look a lot of people are just living in chill mode. Again, that’s what I’ve heard from a RUclipsr and from what I can gather and learned.
Might that RUclipsr be a certain aussie?
I might also heard (maybe) the same RUclipsr say that one Russian talked about Movltov Cocktails, even though they’re Finnish
@@TwigSkits yes, the Finnish people named it after a Soviet foreign minister
@@christiancalma3394 I knew that, but a Russian that probably didn’t fight the Finnish talking about Movltov Cocktails seems strange
@@TwigSkits Well Molotov Coctails were named by the finish, but Soviets also called them like that after Winter War and they were mass produced on an industrial scale.
Another big reason why historical accuracy is important is that kids learn a lot from games and movies, and if you are pushing garbage kids won't know what's real and what's made up crap
I cannot with the red dot sights.
Ah yes, I too have a futuristic attachment on my gun
FYI there's a grenade launcher in the game. There's also a concept prototype of the AK47 that never saw combat. Also a flashbang that was invented in the 60s.
I really feel like you should've mentioned the Einhorn Revolving Shotgun in the actual video. I know you said you weren't gonna nitpick the guns, but oh man, the Einhorn Revolving Shotgun.
If I were to expand on the guns, oh boy would that shotgun be top of the list. I really want to know why it was included, out of all the guns around that time, they chose one that was incredibly niche, literally only 100 were made.
@@retro_today I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was only something Steiner carried in his boss fight. I could imagine a high ranking SS (I believe) officer bringing an expensive hunting shotgun with him. That's at least decently plausible, if extremely unlikely. It probably DIDN'T happen, but it COULD'VE.
What makes it inexcusable is that it's the default shotgun for... basically everywhere, from Normandy to Tobruk to Stalingrad to Bougainville. You encounter more of those shotguns in Stalingrad alone than were ever made total.
Speaking of guns, why are there German guns in the pacific front
@@TwigSkitsGermans did give Japan some weapons. But not as much as is shown in game.
Adding animals in Stalingrad is propably a wasted opportunity to show that pretty much every animal was eaten by the Russian and German to survive.
I understand they need a black character to fit the modern narrative, but also ignoring the hundreds of thousands of Indians and Nepalese Gurkhas that fought during the war for the British empire is just pathetic…
I'd love to see a game represent either of those two, both are fascinating and were some of the hardest fighting soldiers out there
That's a great point. They just care about representing blacks. Everyone else can just suck it, apparently.
Edit: if I remember correctly, those factions were in Cod2. I know that way more people were represented in that game, compared to today. And the best part, it wasn't forced. It was part of the story, so it doesn't have to be forced. It fits right in. Unlike modern COD.
Even Battlefield 1 showed Indian troops in the game.
@@retro_today Only black people matter for DEI so they will never do that.
@@retro_today Ikr? "If a man says he is not afraid of dying he is either lying or is in fact, a Gurkha"
The black soldiers were so tokenistic, at times it almost felt like they were intentionally playing up their blackness as a joke on their white rescuee. And that's probably the most charitable interpretation of them. Mhm hmmm, I sure do loves me some grits, Messeh Wade.
I hated those lines, as I said it really degrades them as a representation to just pure tokenisation. I understand trying to make them seem relatable, but god it’s so disrespectfully done
As if white people don't eat grits as well. I LOVE grits!!!!!!!!!!! They are being sooooooo tokenistic, that they are being racist. Worst part is, the developers are too blind to see it. I think they believe they are actually doing a good thing, but it seemed almost racist to me. That "I hope they have grits" line struck me weird. I surprised they didn't go with " I sho wud like me some cone bread". What idiots.
I know I'm probably gonna get crucified for this, but in my own opinion I've gathered from having mostly southern heritage, I don't think the grits line was completely off especially in the 1940's, but I'm just a stranger on the internet so take my word with a grain of salt
@@thegamecorner3216 It's more a combination of everything that one specific line.
In the real life military, I used to be in the USMC and the black marines would do this shit as a joke, I didn't see these scenes and I dont care for the game but maybe it was a joke.
My roommate was black, he would say shit like "yes massah" when a sergeant told him to do something. So maybe it was meant as a joke and if not it's just stupid
This game just makes me miss the days of CoD Finest Hour, where you played as a female Russian sniper and a black tank commander, and it wasn’t some awful forced commentary, you just played them and learned something neat about that time in history. Where did all the subtlety and nuance go?
Or World At War and the og CODs like COD 1 2 and 3, You also had the Medal Of Honor series which had some of the best campaigns
Because they focus on forcing social politics of today on a game meant to depict WWII. They also make the weapons and equipment to cater to the gamer of today. Back during the old games, you never had red dots and drum magazines on them. The only exception would be the Thompson which did in fact accept drum magazines, but the ones issued in WWII were given 20 or 30 round stick magazines, primarily because of weight and reliability concerns.
I still long for Finest Hour multiplayer. It's what got me into shooters. That and Medal of Honor. I used to play on a server called "The Dog Pound". It was bolt action rifles only, and no scopes. All iron sights. God I loved that game. Are there still active COD1 servers?
@@Voucher765"Finest Hour" IS COD1.
@@dynagaming2693exactly. Liberals are ruining gaming. Some social commentary has to be included in everything these days. How about just tell the story.
Little fun fact: In WaW according to a cutscene the Miller, Roebuck and Sullivan have also fought in Bougainville in 1943. Kinda shame that they weren't seen or mentioned since Vanguard shares the same timeline with waw and black ops
20:07 that old cod 2 shout its perfect.
Think I heard some WAW ones as well.
From what I can tell, this game would have been far more realistic if they showed how Stalin teamed up with the evil ice queen to freeze the sun, then push to Paris with the intent of using the Eiffel Tower as the frame for a massive laser. They met little resistance due to the panic by the Germans as to why the sun disappeared so they were quick to surrender. Then the Soviets encounter the Japanese Air Force, who didn’t want to loose the previously German occupied territory to the Soviets, just outside of Paris in the Battle of Britain, only for the Soviets to win because of a new plane they made the year prior: the MiG-21. We then end the campaign with American joining in the last days of the battle and then seeing cutscene where a British unit find hitler’s bunker and are very shocked by their secret weapon that was supposed to be deployed just the next week: the potato.
I guarantee you that would be more realistic and historically accurate.
Felix Steiner didn't die in stalingrad, he was never there... he lived past the war
Had to die for the stronk wombon to get some points
Well to be fair he was making chemical weapons in Black Ops…
Yes but the numbers told me to kill Steiner
5:02
one thing i'm confused about is how the fuck he's still wearing po8 webbing like he just brought that from ww1.
14:48 what's more shocking is the Soviet warcrimes are rarely depicted, matter of fact they are mostly treated as "heroes", but they did worse atrocities than Germans
Genuine fascist properganda, sure the ussr did some brutal crimes but the nazis are way worse
If you're talking numbers, that's objectively not true. I won't say they didn't happen, but the Wehrmacht and German governmental apparatus absolutely killed a lot more people
Call of duty lost their touch since Black ops 1. Yes 2 was good but this is where it all went down Hill.
One thing I noticed in the Stalingrad mission was the T-34/85 being in the wrong year of the war. Stalingrad takes place in 1942 when t-34’s were armed with 76mm guns with a 2 man turret. While the T-34/85 didn’t exist until late 1943 around the battle of Kursk when armed with the new 85mm gun with a 3 man turret. Plus! Judging on the white markings it had on the turret the tank was probably part of a tank unit that existed around 1944 or 1945
Its like they told their 3d artists to just throw random ww2 guns and ww2 equipment without any research. Then the research team just grabbed a list of like 5 bullet point summary of these missions "british, paratroopers, some guns to blow up, a base, and the ocean nearby" and then they just fill it with some story with 0 real research. Horrendous. Then the guns, the whole game is awful
They could have done so much more with Bougainville. 2nd and 3rd Raiders have Latino and Native Americans in its ranks so they have their diversity. The Battles through Cape Torakina to the Piva Forks and Hellzapoppin Ridge are filled with action (in my opinion at least) and Bougainville itself was the stuff of nightmare fuel. They could have done so much with it but they chose to shoehorn the 93rd division in a fictional encounter that what their real battles were like on the Numa Numa trail.
They only want to represent black people. The Latinos and Natives can kick rocks as far as COD is concerned. There was better representation of EVERYONE in the old COD games.
@@michaelweems679 right? Alway bring up Finest Hour when they want diversity
Stalingrad had huge strategic importance. Not only because it was an industrial center, but also because it was a major point in logistics between Baku (source of most of the oil in USSR at a time) and Central USSR/Russia
It _was_ important in the sense that it was on the axis to the Caucasian oil fields (which, at various times, were some of Hitler's objectives. I believe at one point he even envisioned a huge pincer maneuver beginning in Stalingrad and the Middle East and converging through Turkey and the Caucasus), but its name ended up drawing in more troops than it warranted on both sides, due to the egos of the national leaders.
I got over the historical inaccuracies by calling the game alt-history, I kinda want to see you break down WW2
It's kinda spooky in war how most soldiers never get any confirmed kills, but then you'll hear about a sniper who confirmed 200+, or a US tommy gunner who lead an assault fireteam who lost count after 150 kills, or that one machinegunner at D-day who was responsible for well over half of Allied fatalities during June 6th.
COD always tries to make its story about those sorts of guys. It never quite succeeds, but you can see what they are going for when you read about the insane death dealt out by certain snipers, paratroopers and machinegunners.
Brothers in Arms did it best, loosely basing the two player characters on two guys who took out an entire Germany company at XYZ with just a fireteam each. Really need a modern remake of those games, but I doubt any modern devs could put in the attention to detail, or make a game where your character isn't accurate under fire and needs to rely on AI teammates for even the most basic battlefield move.
I don’t even mind historical inaccuracies as long as it doesn’t completely pull me out of the atmosphere. Battlefield 1 is a perfect example of this in action.
But in the case of Vanguard’s campaign, I had to stop and question why the developers made half the choices that ended up in the game.
Why did a Japanese soldier ask an American in perfect English if he spoke Japanese?
Why did the Soviet Union agree to put one of their supposed best soldiers on a team with an American, instead of on their own frontlines?
Why does said team have a fighter pilot on it when they’re a ground-based unit? Aren’t they kinda wasting his skill set by not having him in a plane?
Why are they called the vanguard anyway when they seem to run infiltration missions, which is pretty much the opposite of what a vanguard does?
How did this team even get assembled? Wouldn’t their countries want them to be fighting on their own lines, that way their efforts would be more spread out?
It’s like they wanted to make the game zany like Wolfenstein, but still retain the ability to brag about how it portrays perspectives of all fronts of the war.
I am a huge firearm enthusiast and as far as the guns are concerned two of the most stupid ones are removing the stocks from both the MG-42 and STG-44, they would flat out not work as the recoil spring that the bolt pushes against to eject the spent round and pickup the next extends into said stock. No stock = no spring, no spring = a single shot weapon at best and at worst without the spring to slow the mass of the bolt down you would fire it once and get a heavy chunk of steel punching a big hole in your shoulder or face. they literally put 0 thought into how real firearms work when they made the weapon customizations and purely went with the rule of cool or what shooters set in modern times do. Not to mention that removing the stock from an MG-42 even if it COULD function would be totally uncontrollable due to the recoil of 1200 rounds per minute of 7.92x57mm when fired from anything but a mounted position, with a stock it is possible to fire it while standing in very short bursts but anything more than that would knock you on your ass due to the muzzle rise.
First of all why would anybody remove stock from anything... apart from some unique cases like sawn-off weapons which is only to make them easier to disguise, stocks are there to help you aim and control weapon better. What madman thought up removal of stock as some kind of "upgrade"?
what infinitesimal historical accuracy and merit this game had left went out the window when the developers added an f2000 into multiplayer
How is it i wrote a long ass historically accurate scipt for highschool and yet a AAA game company cannot.
I think they should hire someone like you to participate in making these kind historical war games.
The suggestions you give about dialoge and presentation, and staying true to the actual facts of the battels would've made this the best ww 2 game ever.
Just give me that chance, I'd love to have a crack at it
"Yes, I paid money for this experience"
As a fellow history buff and aspiring historian from across the pond, I know that pain well, friend.
I usually go into and experience a Call of Duty game by playing the campaign first.
I was one of those unfortunates who bought the game, believing that the campaign was going to be like the stories told in prior Medal of Honor games and Blazing Angels 2: a WW2 story that is fictional in nature, but rooted in the deep historical authenticity that has been cultivated by not only past WW2 CoD titles, but also past WW2 games and other WW2 media. A WW2 story that was going to tell the story of the first special forces, such as the SAS, the British Commandos, the Devil's Brigade, the SOE, and the OSS just to name a few. I even bought a book about the secret operations in WW2 thanks to this damn game.
Instead, what we got is a stinking pile of historically inaccurate, historically inauthentic nonsense I have ever had the misfortune of ever playing in my 28 years of existence, as well as the most cursed gun attachment combinations I have ever seen. Call of Duty: World at War on Veteran difficulty (yes, including the incessant grenade spam) was more entertaining than this mess.
I feel bad for Jonathan Ferguson for having to endure those cursed guns, but at least he has his emotional support STG-44 to rely on.
www.reddit.com/r/CODVanguard/comments/qt5nvb/vanguard_a_review_from_a_historians_perspective/ This review of Vanguard I found on Reddit goes into more detail about the game's flaws in historical accuracy and authenticity than I could ever on a single RUclips comment. One thing was how the 93rd Infantry, the segregated unit featured in the 1943 Bougainville mission, was not deployed there until March of 1944 and did not see much action throughout the war, mostly due to how segregated units were treated by US military command at that time. The Reddit user said it best:
"What is really frustrating about this decision by Sledgehammer to use the 93rd is the opposite of what they probably intended. They wanted to show some of the underbelly of the Greatest Generation, that there still existed this perverse system of segregation and that while colored soldiers could fight and die no different than their fair skinned counterparts, they were often denied that right. While a great idea and something I'd love to see in a video game, they chose to pick some random unit that didn't even fight in this campaign at the time portrayed. They could have honored an actual colored unit and the actual sacrifices they made for a country that marginalized them. Good examples would have been the 17th Special Seabee or the 16th Marine Field Depot which were two segregated Marine units that fought so bravely during a counterattack on Peleliu Island that the 7th Marines may not have repulsed the enemy without them. They received a Presidential Unit Citation for their actions."
(Yes, I understand the 93rd Infantry did see some action against the Japanese, as shown by the Silver Stars awarded to Pvt. Isaac Sermon and SSgt. Rothschild Webb respectively, but I would like to further reiterate the Reddit user's posts by saying this was after the 93rd deployed in March 1944, not 1943 as Vanguard so haphazardly proliferates)
On another matter, one of the lead writers for Vanguard told in a panel the following: "We came into this process saying, 'how do we make the iconic CoD characters?', because you don't really have that in Call of Duty right now." After reading that, I can hear characters like WWII-era characters (Cpt. Price, Maj. Ingram, Sgt. Sullivan, Cpl. Roebuck, Pvt. Polonsky, Sgt. Reznov, Pvt. Dimitri Petrenko, and Pvt. Chernov) and the other characters from the MW and BO series saying, "Are we a joke to you?!"
On a happier note, I have watched Guy Ritchie's "Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare" and, while still heavily fictionalizing the events of Operation Postmaster, there is also a deep abiding respect to the historical events the movie is based upon, which Vanguard clearly lacks. It instilled in me a desire to learn more about Operation Postmaster, Gus March-Phillips, and other operations conducted by the Special Operations Executive and the Office of Strategic Services.
Dafuq is this wall of text 😂
Let's not forget that they put the pilot on the special forces team that was going to carry out a mission on foot
We need world at war remake asap
They’d probably make it woke and whittled down. I think it’s fine as it is, we just gotta get it hyped up again and convince others that games don’t have to have such high level graphics to be good, every game like Medal of Honor and Brothers in Arms can be good, you just gotta look deeper unlike those that just gloss over it and ignore it.
Developers try so hard to make good games only for only some people to not be ignorant and realize how hard it is to make a good game. There’s many who do realize and understand how hard it is to make a good game.
They’d fuck it up too
Being able to commit barbaric war crimes is the key to a successful WW2 game. Definitely ain’t happening with today’s woke game developers
Something to mention as well is the T-34-85 in Stalingrad. A tank that if I'm recalling correctly was only invented/deployed in 1944. (Or was it 1943? I can't recall currently rn but i suspect I'm right with 1944)
Development started in 1943 and massive mass production started in 1944.
Watching this after making my own fictitious WW2 campaign for TTRPG's makes it that much more odd at just how much Vanguard messed it up. Information for major events during WW2 is so available that I can get down to the week something is taking place. Especially for big events like the Invasion of Normandy and the Battle of Stalingrad. Its so easy to find info that I'm looking for that it takes around 5 minutes of extra time at the beginning of planning a session to fact check everything.
17:50 because soviet binoculars had better magnification and light transmission than sniper scope, and i think, she uses standard PE/PEM scope which had magnification ×3,87
Operation Neptune was the overall airborne operation on D day. It occurred several hours before overlord
15:54 I iust realized, is that the fucking fountain from the start of WAW's Soviet Campaign that you wake up in and meet Reznov?
good video yet again, would defo be interested in a weapons inaccuracy follow up video
What 9mm does to the lungs
did i just see the stg during d-day? THAT IS A WEAPON THAT DIDN’T EXIST UNTIL THE END OF THE WAR!!!!
In service 1943 but there wasn't a large amount made.
5:49 Also, Webbs real counterpart was actually extremely brave and daring. Not cautious and against protocol
You kinda missed the fact that the Stalingrad missed showcases T-34-85 tanks, which wouldn’t enter full production until late 1943/early 1944.
See, a lot of people do jump the gun on calling everything"woke" but this game is also one of the first textbook examples of why it's such a bad idea to force diversity. Most of the things depicted in this game are somewhat based on truth, but the writers and designers ham fisted true history into whatever garbage story they were telling.
You should check out Call of Duty 2. I don’t know exactly how accurate it is but it’s got to be miles better than Vanguard. It’s my personal favorite WW2 CoD (and CoD in general), and maybe my favorite single player WW2 campaign in general out of any game. It’s so underrated and forgotten compared to World at War, which is a shame because from an accuracy and authenticity standpoint I actually think it does a better job in every department besides blood and gore, something I don’t think is quite as important as people make it out to be
It’s like 50-60 percent accurate in my opinion but historically authentic accurate idk about uniforms , weapons etc and yes it’s way better than vanshit
@@angusmitchell4026 I would say there’s a lot of nitpicks of inaccuracies in COD2’s but nothing to the degree of Vanguards. 2 did have some interesting subtle accuracies that like Fat German Soldiers in the Western front.
@@griz312 agreed but its better to be a historical authetic game than it is to say the game is 100 percent accurate
COD1 and 2 were both amazing. I really wish they still had active servers. I love the multiplayer on both.
Diversity over quality. They’re not trying to make good games anymore. It’s all about the message.
Diversity over "equality" as well. I just want good games. I'm 44 and have been gaming for a long time. I miss COD1&2. If they were still active, I'd be playing them, not any new COD. They were just, better. Storyline and all. COD1 was sooooooo immersive for me. What happened to gaming?
Not even message, its about the quota and money. This BS is not how you push a well-written Diversity narrative
The T-34 variant depicted in Stalingrad at 13:35 would not be made until well after the Battle of Stalingrad, almost a year after the battle had ended no less, with production of the T-34-85 only beginning in January 1944. Why they did this, I have no idea. It makes no sense to substitute actual T-34 variants that would have been in Stalingrad at the time, or the use of other Soviet Armor, with a model that wouldn't even exist as a prototype, let alone a production model, until well after the battle scene it is depicted in.
17:50 the optics is also bonkers, she wouldn't have anything better than ПУ'42.
However, binocs are prob cause field of view
a PU scope is 3.5 zoom. WW2 Soviet binoculars were 4x at the very least and went up to 8x. it's realistic that she uses binoculars, it's unrealistic that her rifle has variable zoom. WW2 snipers were designated marksmen by today's standards, not assassins.
It's probably supposed to be the PE or PEM scope which were produced earlier than the PU and a copy of the Zeiss. I believe that's actually the scope Zaitsev used so not inaccurate for a Stalingrad setting.
17:52 It's just one of the earlier scopes used by the Soviet Union, specifically the PEM, the scope mount is a dead give away. They did test Zeiss scopes early in the '30's, but ultimately went with a design heavily influenced by the Emil Busch "Visar" 5 scopes, which went on to become the PE and then the PEM.
There is a famous Soviet female sniper that primarily used a PEM scope, I don't remember her name off the top of my head but I would guess they picked the PEM to evoke her image, as it is a bit late for someone to be issued a PEM since they were being supplanted by PU scopes at the time, but it wasn't unheard of.
21:25 Also, can't believe I'm going to do this lol, but I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here for a bit. It's entirely possible that he could only know enough English to understand some basic stuff and ask some reeeally basic questions, "do you speak Japanese" could literally be the extent of it. For example, the vast majority of my Spanish is just knowing how to say, "Sorry, my Spanish is very bad, do you speak English?" If you asked me to string together an entire interrogation I'd be dead in the water. Is the scene unlikely? Sure. Is it impossible that a Japanese soldier could know a few English words? I don't think so.
I hope this doesn't come off as overly critical, that's not my intention as I quite like this video, you've done a great job breaking down this mess of a game.
did you miss that at the time 13:36 you can see a t34-85 with battle of berlin markings when the setting is in 1942 and the t34-85 did not come into service with the soviet army until 1944 and the victory markings were not issued until march of 1945
I ready want a WWII game where we play as the hero’s of WWII
Hell that first mission could’ve been Jake “McNasty” McNeice’s drop
I just want one where we play as the good guys
@@SBrown-ti8xe 🤨
@@SBrown-ti8xe Civilian gaming 🗣💯
Sherman with the 76mm gun in pacific campaign is like USA didn't use the M60 and M48 (105mm) in Vietnam
I love that you summerized what people expect of an historic shooter.
If i wanted to play an alt hist game, i could play Wolfenstein or ÜberSoldier.
Espacially COD did such an amazing job in there first two games, mixing the story of normal soldiers in to an fast pace action shooter. (Okey i'm actually also a fan of COD: World at war, but more as a prestory to the Black ops series.)
My grandfather was in the 9th cavalry reconnaissance troop, 93rd Infantry Division. They had to go behind enemy lines on Bougainville. The stories he told me when he felt like it. 😢
The fact the Japanese were using German guns was mind blowing
One of my biggest issues with this game is the pushing of agendas. Old CoDs like Finest Hour had Black and Female characters, but they made sense, like Tanya Pavelona who was a female Russian Sniper or Sam Rivers a Black Tanker in Patton's 3rd army. This stuff actually happened, yet they instead want to change history, when History is already diverse.
Even old Medal of Honor Allied Assault had black and female characters. This is what infuriates me about this woke shit, they always overdo it and it's so obvious this entire thing is "look! we have colored men added here! give us money now"; while also pretending like they're breaking some massive taboo and being "first" while it's a thing that has been done for ages - just nobody was so morally bankrupt before to try and make such thing their selling point.
@@czwarty7878 This is what you get when the decisions are made by people in boardrooms who have never used the product or spoken to someone who does. They don't care about the quality of the product, just whether it makes money. Typical capitalists.
"Fourth Reich"? This isn't bloody Wolfenstein, it's World War 2. If you want to make an alternate history of World War 2 like Wolfenstein then sure but if it's purportedly World War 2 then make it ABOUT World War 2.
I didn't know about Sidney Cornell myself so I actually learned something new so that's neat. Sort of like how in that one World War 1 game they showed the Harlem Hell Fighters whose history I find really interesting. Other than that, people really need to do their research when it comes to actual battlefield protocol. And they just assume every single white person back then was racist and acted like it even during moments where they could very well be killed.
Silent Storm had quite interesting alternative history storyline, IMO, even though some of the technical stuff out there looks way too modern, like the laser gun satellite that looks like it was built in 2000s.
During all wars, from WW1, WW2 and American Civil War, soldiers who fought alongside black soldiers had no hate for eachother. Its stupid that they act like they do. You can go to war alongside the person you hate in the whole world and end up close friends after because such experience tightens bonds. No soldier is going to be racist, because at the end of the day I have to rely to the guy to my left no matter his skin color. Unfortunately, companies like to push "this game is set in the past so the white people MUST be racist". Hard to be racist to someone you eat with, train with, sleep in the same area with and shoot and get shot at with.
I really appreciate that despite talking about the various inaccuracieis you were really respectful to the colored and female soldiers that fought in the war acknowledging that they did play a big part. Most youtubers who talk about this game just brush them off as "woke propaganda".
Thank you! I do think it’s important to highlight their importance in the war effort and while vanguard did this horribly, I wanted to expand on the real stories throughout the war and I wish they could have tried to portray those rather than this complete rewrite.
I agree, you were also very reserved and only criticized and used examples when necessary. A lot of RUclipsrs make lazy complaints to extend the video's time. You've got my sub, thank you.
I also bought this with real money and I should have waited for a sale 🤣
They don't "brush off" actual colored and female soldiers who actually fought, they just notice what is in this game is tokenistic and, actually, woke. That is definition of such fake virtue signalling. There were black and female soldiers already in Medal of Honor Allied Assault, in 2002. Nobody had a problem with it. But people do have a problem when their inclusion is obviously tokenistic and politically motivated, it's just fake, annoying and insulting to any thinking person
Polina in this game though was kind of pushed as some sole hero of the Red Army "USSR had hope" because of her. Yeah the women snipers were important, but they were just as important as any unit. I mean what is the point of snipers if you don't have infantry to push up, or infantry without armor. They should've gone the WaW route where it seems nobody was actually important and weren't full heros for the whole of USSR. Like only guy Dmitri is important simply because he hoisted the flag. But he wasn't glorified and revered by all of USSR like Polina somehow is. Her story comes off as a forced "women strong" thing. I think that's the only complaint you can have as her, I kind of wish they actually chose someone like Mariya Oktyabrskaya, husband gets killed sells possessions and pays for a tank to drive in war, that is a better story than one of the hundreds of women snipers.
22:12 if you’re from the south and half the Midwest that’s a reasonable question from anyone. Doesn’t matter the race.
You can see that T-34-85 in the background too in 1942. They weren't in service until much later in the war.
As an American I can appreciate how a foreigner can stand up for our stupid injustices so thank you
Think what a sneaking mission it would be, to hide and evade enemies while helping wounded soldiers and trying your best to keep them alive.
Also the F2000 is in this game for some reason. Might as well add an M4
There are so many things that baffle me with Vanguard.
Like why does the pilot character in the Campaign (forgot his name lol) fight on the ground instead of providing air support for the Vanguard team?!! 🤣
I have no idea why they didn't just go full alt-history, Wolfenstein-style, with Vanguard.
I don’t think it’s the far fetched that the one Japanese soldier would be able to ask something simple like “do you speak Japanese” and not be at a translator level.
21:11 what if he only knew that phrase so that if you spoke japanese he could talk with you like that
CoD: Vanguard was about as accurate and believable as The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
They also don't get the armored vehicles right in several missions. In the Stalingrad/Lady Nightingale missions, they show multiple T-34-85s which didn't even enter service/combat until 1944. Also in Bougainville, they have Shermans with a 76mm? or 17-pounder? (It's really weird, cause it's longer than a 76, but the muzzle brake looks like a 76, and doesn't have the 17-pounder counterweight on the back), and if it was the 76 with a muzzle brake, it doesn't have the classic HVSS suspension that all 76mm Shermans had; And not to mention that they first 76mm Sherman didn't see frontline combat till Operation Cobra in 1944.
11:50 - a major railroad artery, an industrial powerhouse, a large tank and tractor plant, and a river port - and it's not a strategic target, don't bullshit me. It's true that at the same time Germans have sent troops to charge the Caucasus and take over oil fields in Chechnya, but saying that Stalingrad had no strategic value for german high command is nonsense.
12:09 never heard about Stalingrad being a model city for the country. There were many other cities and establishments named after Stalin - Stalinabad (modern day Dushanbe, Tajikistan), Stalinogorsk (Novomoskovsk, Russia) and so on.
There were other cities that have been experimented with as the ways to try out the new ways of urban planning, most notably Moscow and Leningrad, as well as new cities that were a part of massive industrialization campaign, like Magnitogorsk.
One of the main reasons for naming the city Stalingrad was the fact that it was called Tsarytsin (the Tsarina's city) before and because of Stalin's accomplishments as the man in charge of the city defense during Civil War. The battle of Tsarytsin has been one of the major points of Civil War.
12:45 Komsomol never conducted firearms training for civilians. Osoaviakhim (Society for defence, air force and chemical defence) did, though. The "Voroshilov's riflemen" were the civilians that went through the training and participated in various shooting competitions.
The rifle, though, is an actual sign of status there. Before WWI and up until 1980s most of the civilian hunters used to own shotguns. During Civil War most of the rifles owned by civilians and undesireable groups (bandits, deserters) were to be confiscated, and only local Party members could keep a handgun and a rifle for protection. After Civil War many regulations were softened, in 1930s there were many rimfire rifles available for trainees and hunters, but getting a full power centerfire rifle was still difficult, unless you were a professional hunter who used to sell large game meat to the food factories, provided wildlife security or been a person of status. Though even so most of soviet VIP hunters preferred double shotguns.
The first rifle scope made for civilian market was introduced some time before the gernan invasion, it was a version of a soviet PE military scope, so it fits the time just right
13:38 what bothers me is that in the game there seem to be little to no anti air defense whatsoever. The air raid was massive, there were heavy bombers with fighter escort, but there had to be some AA guns on the ground.
14:05 not to mention that they got so far right after the bombing
17:55 the scope offers less FOV and lower magnification. And it's not Zeiss, it's a variant of PE sight. Which was inspired by Zeiss and Busch Visar scopes. The scope mount is based on German side rail mounts manufactured by Geco back then and today similar mounts are offered by EAW Apel
Thank you for having the patience of making this video and playing the game properly. I could Never....
you forgot to mention the T-34-85's in the Stalingrad mission
"Do YoU sPeAk JaPaNeSe??" said the Japanese soldier in perfect English 🤣
i know this is old Im a WWII Buff my self and i completely didnt notice that Lady Nightingale mission took place in Jan 1943 i laughed when i saw you mention it and the whole thing "she inspired them to go on the offensive" Its like no there on the offensive because the Nazi's have no food, fuel, ammo and are trapped lmao
You forgot to add the panzerfaust which was smh RELOADABLE IN THE DESERT MISSION
I think it's worth mentioning that Webb is actually a sergeant the same as Arthur, not a corporal. As they're the same rank, the argument scene is probably them debating whose in charge and whose orders they're going to follow. Needless to say, Paras are indeed professionals and it should be a unanimous decision that they go and complete the mission.
At the beginning of the Stalingrad mission you can see a T34-85 tank which did not exist at this period of time
Given all the weapon inaccuracies and horrid abominations that could be made with the attachments I felt as if I was about to have an aneurysm
I remember another RUclips historian reacting to the Bougainville voice lines and became enraged about how insulting it was.
22:27 I do agree with a lot of this video however, at this part, it just sounds like military humor
17:26 Paulus did not surrender his men, he ordered them to do what they think is best (he had also at that point lost contact with about half of the remaining German soldiers still fighting in Stalingrad) the Soviet generals where angry and demanded he order his men's total surrender and he simply told them that he couldn't. Tldr Paulus only surrendered himself and his immediate staff who where found surrounded by food, warmth and plenty of cigars while the lower ranks where out in Stalingrad fighting in the snow and ruins, some where even reported trying to walk back to the German frontlines, some Soviet soldiers where left Stalingrad to mop up the few Germans who remained while the rest left to fight against the main German army in the east.
19:22 there are also German records of digging out frozen horses around Christmas to eat them as back when they died the men still had an incoming supply of food, but as they where cut of from food supplies from back home they made due with even the dead carcass of their animals.
21:10 some Japanese soldiers could speak English, as they did study pre ww2 in UK and US higher education schools, however these by the time of ww2 where higher ranking officers usually at the rank of captain in the navy or higher, some more successful army officers in the Pacific knew of the American tactics due to studying in America and orderd their men to wait untill the Americans had landed in full force before opening fire rather than try and physically remove them from the beach as soon as they landed as some officers fresh out of the Imperial Japanese military academy did, only resulted in mass casualties and their own deaths as they led from the front with their katana.
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also, when chort gets shot, it was a headshot but IRL snipers avoided headshots, as they were a lot more likely to miss
One note about the Stalingrad mission is that you can hear civilians talk of leaving the city before the bombardment… Stalin would never have allowed that
I think inaccuracies in weaponry, uniforms, equipment, vehicles is perfectly fine in multiplayer, like it's already so disconnected from reality and they have to deal with balancing and complex progression systems that those sorts of limitations don't make sense. However in single player they really should be trying to stick to history with only a little artistic license, especially where their inaccuracies actually make for a worse story.
I think it’d be pretty cool if someone made a game where it’s a “what if” scenario. Like “what if the Allie’s failed to capture the beaches of Normandy”. First they’d give a history lesson on actual events like “on June 6 1944 the Allie’s invaded the beaches of Normandy and successfully did so, this is a what if scenario if they wasn’t the case and the German army successfully repelled them”
Can you imagine a Call of Duty WW2 game where you are specifically playing historical characters. You play as actual soldiers who undertook multiple missions, and in the final mission, you die, and whatever outcome was historical is what happens. You make it to the bridge, but the Germans blow it, you DON'T save it in time, and you, along with many other men, die. An epitaph of what happened, what REALLY happened, and that ends that character's campaign.
It'd be amazing.
10:29 why does he have a bullet proof vest ? Wtf
What annoys me about the sniper woman, how the germans put posters around stalingrad as if they had material to print on, with a perfect image of her and how, somehow all of the USSR soldiers had hope because of her. Its annoying how games do this. They take historic context and then say "they had hope in one person" its not how militaries work, the fronts are too huge for everyone to know one woman, and doubly impossible for the germans to know its just one sniper unless she somehow got hundreds of kills. Its unrealistic and make it seem like some marvel movie. In older games like WW2, WaW there was no heros, there was no recognition by enemy of you. You were revered by reznov but you werent revered by the whole army. Its like how any platoon sees it. Each one has their own "hero" or guy theyd follow to death. In WW2 you werent revered you were just a soldier being a soldier. Adding this whole "the hero of the red army Polina" just makes it some cartoon