Ha Ha Ha - soo well said! What a good laugh. And to think these idiots always proclaim - “We are the BEST trained military in the world! (forgot to add - only in NZ)
As a Kiwi i think we need to integrate with our Aussie neighbors in defence matters. Set up a Marine Corp type unit and do away with having three management systems for the different forces and trim management to a minimum. We could be so much more efficient integrated effectively with Aussie and that can only worl out well for both countries. Any future conflict in the south pacific will see us working closely again. Get the ball in motion now.
As an Aussie I welcome more military integration with our Kiwi brothers at least equipment wise, as It would make servicing and logistics more easy. Both nations services already have the Bushmaster and MAN trucks as well as Poseidon and Hercules aircraft. Perhaps NZ would consider Boxer CRV's?
The war in Ukraine has proven how various low cost drones and other wepons can be more effective than a traditional air force or navy. Why not develop a niche industry gor defense with our track record of innovation rather than try to punch above our weight and still not have an effective fighting force. Rocket lab is a prime example of us leveraging the can do attidude and thinking outside the box to be a world leader.
Both are needed, tbh But I agree, NZ is falling further behind the longer it fails to incubate, build & support new, tech based industries. We’ve already ignored it for too long. The ongoing over-reliance on primary industry is stifling our growth and future.
Rocket lab has been taken over by Lockheed Martin, who gleefully drain the NZ taxpayer and refuse to pay licence production fees when they mass produce Kiwi technology. America has done a Duff beer on us once again.
Part of the second component of Aukus are missiles…there are already kiwi scientists working on this across the ditch…would be ideal weapons for NZ geography at a low price point, especially if bought in bulk with Canada and Australia. Seems a no brainer.
Rocket is majority owned by CIA and Lockheed Has not been nz owned for over a decade In UK it is listed as a US defense company Imagine if Chinese owned rocket lab
I fully support us having a more capable military. It is an obligation of the government to ensure that we do. The reason Australia has a better trading relationship with India and the USA is because it has committed to having better military capability. That is what has been missing for NZ. If you want trade then you also need to support the other country.
Nah, it's a waste of money, we'll only get dragged into some other countries military actions , like the Boer war, WW1, WW2, Korean war, Malaysian insurgency, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing to do with New Zealand.
In 1980's when NZ declared itself nuclear free and told the US no nuclear ships were allowed in our ports, I was working at a dairy factory and can remember the butter being packed that was a mix of NZ butter and the US butter we had to buy that the US had dumped on the world market to cripple our economy. Many farmers went bankrupt because of the low payout. Do not kid yourself that the US is our friend!!!
NZ has NO money or credit to enjoy a credible defence force. Every “item” in NZ life we look at - is run down and broken - just doesn’t work and needs replacing/upgrading! Personal debt is sky high, govt debt is out of control, every credible asset has been sold, running out of power, etc etc. Capable military? - you are dreaming. Watch out Kiwi Bank - you are all that’s left. You will be sold soon to pay for another membership of a Chinese Bank consortium - just as that ghastly John Key sold the power companies to belong to some Chinese Bank consortium leaving you and me with sky high electricity prices.
There is a provision in the Australian Constitution for NZ to become the 7th state. It is time for them to take that offer up. It is a win, win. We get the all blacks, kiwis get to eat. 😂
@@raywheeler3135 yea bro they were going to build a brand new ship with similar capabilities to Canterbury only I think it brought like 2 times as much to the table which would've been amazing. It wouldn't be a crazy warship but I'd bring alot of soft power to the pacific nations.
As an island nation, New Zealand needs to start spending at least 2% of GDP on defence instead of giving tax cuts to land lords, wasting money of cancelled major infrastructure projects, etc.
@@malcolmWaite-g4t yeah I guess it depends on where it hit as to if gas or any liquids would leak. I am pretty disappointed that they let this happen can't be easy to accomplish. Plus the fact that's the only one we have with that capability and the fact it represents one of only 11 ships we have. We're not a rich nation so to lose one is extremely saddening. The only thing that would make it better is if they raised the defense budget to 2 percent.
US has 800 plus military bases around the world while the rest of the world has next to none. For me the best quote answering whether we are on the wrong side, comes from the cartoon Phineas and Ferb star wars episode - "Didn't we just blow up a planet?. That is sort of difficult to justify, morally".
@@michaelhagley4762 I think about how the US are the allies with South Korea and China is with North Korea. Choose your friends wisely. And if, and only if by chance China moved on their voiced plans to impose themselves on our ocean (and who knows what else) then we will be begging for western help as we cannot defend ourselves. China is moving, see why Australia increased this years military budget by $50 billion, so has Japan, Indonesia and naturally Taiwan. Only NZ is asleep.
@@berniemckinley4988 Thanks for your reply. I view the world from both sides, watching what happens in the UN, reading both Chinese and Russian news agencies as well as western news agencies. The reason I'm pointing this out to you is because your reply seems to me to be only the view of western news agencies, in another words, US propaganda.
@@malcolmWaite-g4t They would cost a shit ton, the New Zealand air force would maintain them: (they are currently qualified in aeronautical engineering (i.e. maintaining jet aircraft)) and yes they would have given them to us if we asked nicely (and offered a few oil drilling rights off Tarinaki) - the upside to taking the F16's would be that if shit does end up hitting the fan, we wouldn't have to get on our knees and beg Australia and America to come save us. - we would be far better defended against potential threats.
F16s are useless for New Zealand. Expensive and too short ranged. It would be like buying a Ferrari for school pickups only. NZ should prioritise maritime logistics and patrol because of location. P8s and Hercs is a good start. LPDs would be ideal too.
@Haddaminb also most of the countries in the world with air craft carriers with strike capabilities are mostly in the hands of allied nations and even then we're far from any treat. I see good reason for a strike wing but I don't see why aswell if we wanted to please our allies I'd just build a army that compatible with them with formidable training as to bring something to the table.
As an Irish citizen I offer our military to come to NZ's aid if you're attacked. Whatever you do don't Google the Irish Defence Forces! But my offer still stands.
An F16 costs around 63mill usd. A reaper drone costs half and has approx double the range (but the F16 is much faster). NZ should build up a small force of surveillance and attack drones to patrol its maritime zone. Arming the drones with anti ship missiles and air to air missiles.
There’s two points to this - one point being we need a decent military to attract alliances and better economic deals, the second point would be that we would now be on the radar as a potential threat if a pacific war theatre was to open It’s going to be difficult being a passive country in the moser era
Our Navy has a Labour shortage, we have a ratio of 40% officers and 60% ranks (officers working in offices and ranks working.) Due to Austerity measures the Navy now has a budjet deficit of $150 Million Dollars. what do the high ranking offers do? - they with their 6 figure incomes, cut pay to the ranks, fire contractors, and reduce future rank intake capacity. all while Australia is increasing their military budget and offering double the pay for our rank sailours It's not the fact we can't afford to run the millitairy and Healthcare properly. Its the fact we have too many middle managers (i.e. we have 141 commanders with 9 ships to command (8 now that HMNZS manawanui's hit a reef ) and those managers make life a living hell for the people actually doing the work in order to keep their 6 figures and stable paper shuffling jobs. weather is navy chefs or nurses who suffer and leg it to Australia. i don't think its a case of one Or the other, but rather a multitude of problems with our entire culture. (i.e. we pay middle managers way to much, and undervalue working class jobs.)
It is showing how 38 years addiction to neoliberal economics and governance is making New Zealand a mediocre middle income OECD country that is stuck 20th century economics and governance.
According to Luxon NZ is broke. The government is cutting expenditure to most government departments/services, even school lunches are affected. So there shouldn't be a chance in hell to beef up our military. NZ spends 1.3 % of GDP on the military and that was going to be affected by government austerity measures as will. So, where's the funding coming from?
I think it comes down to a long-term monetary commitment. If we lock in 2% of GDP as a minimum that all governments are consistent with for decades. We could have the Defence force we need. And if the economy shrinks, the defence budget shrinks as well. Consistency is the key with anything in life.
@@Kelvinpaul4 We can by start manufacturing our own weapon systems with private sector and government funding. Create an industry around defense with sales offsetting the cost, it's the way of the future. The resupply logistics don't make sense ,we need to have an industry base at home. Rather than buy obsolete second hand shit, let's make state of the art mass produced equipment here that suits our geographic location. Missiles, drones and the like.
@@badjelly1027I agree with manufacturing weapons and munitions for our use and for sale to other nations as many developed countries do. However NZ governments think manufacturing and selling military goods is contrary to NZ character and have even stopped Kiwi Saver investing in companies who manufacture weapons or components that could be used in the manufacturing of weapons and munitions. NZ companies are prohibited from being involved in the manufacturing and or selling military weapons and munitions on international markets. Which is stupid.
@@Kelvinpaul4 That's correct, I guess we will have to import this equipment at exorbitant cost. I just hope we change our mindset as to what military hardware will actually be effective and what our defense strategy is . We do however have more pressing problems at home that need attention.
@@badjelly1027 I think for the navy innovating and researching remote controll patroll vessels and alike would be a great thing for nz todo as other countries would have a interest in it and we could get in early and become a innovator in it. But we should manufacture things that we can also sell to other countries to keep people employed here and as you said off set the costs I also believe more ships with the same capabilities as the Canterbury could be a great soft power. To keep the south island nations in our/ allies/usa/aus sphere of influence which would help prevent a Chinese millitary base. Just imagine if we had a few ships that could supply and help in relief/ construction efforts for a entire island I'd help our own country and our neighbors it wouldn't be able to destroy a destroyer but I'd make it harder for China to have a foot hold.
We certainly need to update and increase spending , on our military capability, instead of putting our armed personal at risk, as seen in Afhanistan, from out dated equipment. To under estimate our roll in International affairs, can only be improved, especially in the Pacific, enhances the safety of our military personal, while delivering an efficient and professional manner. New Zealand are highly regarded in the world, in providing military support, and are sourced by the major allies such as the USA/
About time, we need to build up our Defense Force, stop the payouts to certain parties internally and get the benefit payments under control, divert the money to the Air Force/Army and Navy. If the Chinese invade us in the next 20yrs, and we can't Defend our country, what then
I do agree but I'd take a looong time before china could hope of invading nz let alone holding it and by then we'd ha alot more to worry about. Like where did australia and usa go lol.
"We must respond to geo strategic moves by the big country across the world that have never threatened us with military aggression because they are bad or something blah blah blah give us money."
How many people here are willing to lose a portion of their pension down the line if this goes through? Just ask the UK pensioners how they feel about losing their winter fuel payment,...while their governmnt is giving Ukraine billions.
New Zealand should think about integrating their defence force with the Australian Defence Force. An example of this is the Dutch Army integrating into the German Army. Some Australian jet fighters could be stationed at New Zealand bases. NZ infantry could be trained to use Australian weapon systems such as the boxer IFV, Himars etc that are coming soon. Australia would benefit from getting a manpower boost and NZ would become better protected.
Constitutionally, New Zealand can become an Australian state whenever it wishes. Multiple benefits to be had. Just think, unbeatable national rugby team. Final solution to the Pavlova origin issue. Mutual condemnation of Greg Chappell. NZ becomes a Continent. Australians finally get to do Hakkas. NZ becomes Australia's 3rd biggest state. The New Zealand Defense Force can stop pretending it's a thing. Australia gets Peter Jackson, Russel Crowe, and Flight of the Conchords. Australia's land area will increase by a little bit. AND, Australians will legitimately allowed to say sux instead of six and not be accused of cultural appropriation.
Talk about incredible timing for our survey ship to break down and wreck itself. These other countries must have very limited faith in NZs ability to help anyone.
*"Let's flip the question"* How about you just answer it? *"If we didn't export coal, other countries would fill that gap."* That's called enabling and abetting, not to mention profiteering. So on, and so on. What a skeez.
7:00 🤣🤣🤣'''''Clean coal.... good clean coal... our Ozzy coal... If they can't be burnin our good clean Ozzy coal... they only be burnin dat dirty Colombian coal'''''' 🤣🤣🤣
Well, we could have given them our - F 111's , Anzac frigates, Tiger helicopters, M1A1 Abrams tanks, our M113 troop carriers, our legacy F A 18 Hornets, and our unused SLR and AR platforms, our Mirage 111'S and our Leopard tanks, and our PC3 Orions ...we could have had a significantly boosted armed side Kick now they got Fk all !! Excellent logistics !
Humanitarian aid? I thought the defence is for security reasons. I don't think anyone joins the defence force for humanitarian aid reasons. This Richard Marles is a joke
How do call out Trump when your former PM JA was bonkers? NZ defence got difficult decisions to future purchases considering their budget is nowhere like Australia. I believe NZ will need piggyback on Australia to save money but also be compatible like their future corvettes could come South Korea but still have money for Seahawks. Although NZ will have fine money for lost support ship, maybe RAN future JSS for NZ?
Think about it first. NZ is a peace keeping country, I will pull out gather my family and leave this country, if this govt engages in anything other then peace keeping. 💯 If we engage then Im selling up and out of this place Im under pressure and still use my words not kick down the door to help with a
What is stopping nz from diversifying its economy away from Chinese dependence? Such as trade with India and Indonesia? Is NZ dependence on China in NZ national interest?
Professional liars & propagandists like Mr Marles together with Canberra's "Bureaucracy Machine" is what's encouranging thousands of educated & hardworking Aussies to leave...
Have a NZ infantry company permanently based in Townsville with 2RAR to be interoperable as part of the ADF amphibious force and make both nations’ Navies and Air Forces interoperable. Stop buggerising around with defence.
Our Navy needs a major shake up & investment. Yes, we're a small nation but look at our economic exclusion zone, its massive just over 4 million square miles or 15 x the size of NZ. We need sailors and need to pay them a decent income, once we do that then we can man our existing ships, then we need more modern ships South Korean made ships would be suitable, our Seasprites need to be replaced with American made seahawks to have them compatible with Australian/US Navy systems.
I think that's why the nzdf are looking into getting unmanned ships/ ones with a smaller crew. The idea was to possibly limit it to just a boarding crew which would cut huge amount of costs. Also isn't that partially the purpose of the P-8A?
We've always worked together anyway, just dont send your DEI hire women Navy ship captains, you know , like the one that sank their biggest Navy ship on that reef. 😂
We need to get the fk out of the 5 EYES and and stop sticking our noses into other countries business on behalf of the US. We need to beef up our Navy and Airforce in order that they can protect our economic zone. Our army needs to stay at home and become adept and skilled at defending NZ on our own soil. We need compulsory national service for our young people in order that we sort out discipline in society and to provide numbers for homeland defense should we need it.
We can’t beef up our army via our tiny economy. So if we have these options 1. Agree to stay 5 eyes & have no real say in things & hope the other 5 eyes partners act in our interests @ at least defend us if under attack. It’s delusional to think we can donor without help. 2. Go it alone, ditch 5 eyes & stay with a tinpot military & hope everything somehow ends up ok (you could call this the (Simpson’s Defence Theory) 3. Become a neutral country so no military alliances and follow Switzerland model - but I understand this also means you may have to take political exiles etc 4. Stay in 5 eyes @ agree to have Australia to effectively take over subsume of our Military forces with the guarantee a large slice of the total forces will always be directed towards NZ - this multiplying our defence capabilities by a factor of say 5 to twenty fold. You might call this a “deal with the devil”
Australia spends billions and couldn’t defend a Goldfish bowl. Waste of money, would get wiped out in minutes. Australia’s current submarines have been a big joke for years and years. The jet fighters are great for flying over the race track at Bathurst etc but in a war. I know NZ couldn’t defend itself from Rarotonga but Australia might manage Fiji.
NZ can proudly offer its new Manawanui Class submarines, now that successful sea trials have concluded!
😂 Ironic that a ship designed to map the ocean floor didnt see the ocean floor coming!!
The ship daw it The captain did not
Very good :)
Ha Ha Ha - soo well said! What a good laugh. And to think these idiots always proclaim - “We are the BEST trained military in the world! (forgot to add - only in NZ)
I thought that was a real sub, then I remembered what happened lmao.
Politicians and bureaucrats the greatest risk to regional security
Yes….especially those from China…it aint rocket science😂
@@John-c7i4m Or the ones from the US/UK/NATO warmongers.
We need to spend more, 40 years of neglect 40 x 2% to make up and apologize to our Allies, friends and cousins
@@John-c7i4m
Except they're not.
As a Kiwi i think we need to integrate with our Aussie neighbors in defence matters.
Set up a Marine Corp type unit and do away with having three management systems for the different forces and trim management to a minimum.
We could be so much more efficient integrated effectively with Aussie and that can only worl out well for both countries. Any future conflict in the south pacific will see us working closely again. Get the ball in motion now.
As an Aussie I welcome more military integration with our Kiwi brothers at least equipment wise, as It would make servicing and logistics more easy.
Both nations services already have the Bushmaster and MAN trucks as well as Poseidon and Hercules aircraft. Perhaps NZ would consider Boxer CRV's?
What are you defending against?
The war in Ukraine has proven how various low cost drones and other wepons can be more effective than a traditional air force or navy. Why not develop a niche industry gor defense with our track record of innovation rather than try to punch above our weight and still not have an effective fighting force. Rocket lab is a prime example of us leveraging the can do attidude and thinking outside the box to be a world leader.
Both are needed, tbh
But I agree, NZ is falling further behind the longer it fails to incubate, build & support new, tech based industries. We’ve already ignored it for too long. The ongoing over-reliance on primary industry is stifling our growth and future.
Rocket lab has been taken over by Lockheed Martin, who gleefully drain the NZ taxpayer and refuse to pay licence production fees when they mass produce Kiwi technology. America has done a Duff beer on us once again.
Part of the second component of Aukus are missiles…there are already kiwi scientists working on this across the ditch…would be ideal weapons for NZ geography at a low price point, especially if bought in bulk with Canada and Australia. Seems a no brainer.
@@andrewrosser8909 ‘Missiles’ is very vague. Type / range / warheads / potential targets…?
Rocket is majority owned by CIA and Lockheed Has not been nz owned for over a decade In UK it is listed as a US defense company Imagine if Chinese owned rocket lab
What a bloody joke, NZ got no money maaate!
A sufficient amount of money is dealing with Aussie exporting 501ers.
We gave the last 3 billion to landlords
They've got one less 100 million dollar ship now as well 😂
I fully support us having a more capable military. It is an obligation of the government to ensure that we do. The reason Australia has a better trading relationship with India and the USA is because it has committed to having better military capability. That is what has been missing for NZ. If you want trade then you also need to support the other country.
China is our largest trading partner. We are probably better off aligning with China militarily.
Nah, it's a waste of money, we'll only get dragged into some other countries military actions , like the Boer war, WW1, WW2, Korean war, Malaysian insurgency, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing to do with New Zealand.
In 1980's when NZ declared itself nuclear free and told the US no nuclear ships were allowed in our ports, I was working at a dairy factory and can remember the butter being packed that was a mix of NZ butter and the US butter we had to buy that the US had dumped on the world market to cripple our economy. Many farmers went bankrupt because of the low payout. Do not kid yourself that the US is our friend!!!
So that if and when war breaks out we can be used as fodder just like the Gallipoli campaign.
NZ has NO money or credit to enjoy a credible defence force. Every “item” in NZ life we look at - is run down and broken - just doesn’t work and needs replacing/upgrading! Personal debt is sky high, govt debt is out of control, every credible asset has been sold, running out of power, etc etc. Capable military? - you are dreaming. Watch out Kiwi Bank - you are all that’s left. You will be sold soon to pay for another membership of a Chinese Bank consortium - just as that ghastly John Key sold the power companies to belong to some Chinese Bank consortium leaving you and me with sky high electricity prices.
There is a provision in the Australian Constitution for NZ to become the 7th state. It is time for them to take that offer up. It is a win, win. We get the all blacks, kiwis get to eat. 😂
Kiwis get aldi
I can sense we’ll be buying a new boat soon, will that do?
It will be a dodgy second hand Toyota.
@@raywheeler3135 yea bro they were going to build a brand new ship with similar capabilities to Canterbury only I think it brought like 2 times as much to the table which would've been amazing. It wouldn't be a crazy warship but I'd bring alot of soft power to the pacific nations.
Hahaha
Their gona have to as the fishes have the survey boat to play with now 😂
Yeah nah bro... gunna be an old p.o.s again...
Australia and New Zealand are two very different countries. This reporter is the exact reason why so many kiwis live in Oz.
As an island nation, New Zealand needs to start spending at least 2% of GDP on defence instead of giving tax cuts to land lords, wasting money of cancelled major infrastructure projects, etc.
Nah we don't we can utilise our money to fix our roads and our healthcare system rather than giving it to the US military industrial complex.
@New_Zealander bro we literally spend stuff all on our millitary how much do you think is going to the USA
Nz was one of only a few countries, spending 2% of gdp on our military. Before Trump called Nato out, for spending under 2%. Stop lying.
@@TyreseSummers - New Zealand's spend 1.2% of GDP if that on defence. What does goes to the USA is loose change for them.
@@New_Zealander - What NZ spends on defence is loose change for the USA, so I am not sure what your point is.
let's worry about all our own problems at home before we head down the path.
This guy is a pro unlike the NZ equivalents lol ❤
Not dei that why.
New Zealand Navy just ordered 5 coal-powered submarines.
😂😂
navy just managed to sink one of their own ships cost 147 million plus who knows what the cleanup is going to cost
@@malcolmWaite-g4t i was about to call you out on bs but nope it's sunk now lol that's some crazy shit.
@@TyreseSummers yeah I hope it doesn't impact the local people to much, pollution etc
@@malcolmWaite-g4t yeah I guess it depends on where it hit as to if gas or any liquids would leak. I am pretty disappointed that they let this happen can't be easy to accomplish. Plus the fact that's the only one we have with that capability and the fact it represents one of only 11 ships we have.
We're not a rich nation so to lose one is extremely saddening.
The only thing that would make it better is if they raised the defense budget to 2 percent.
Oh jack , we can clearly tell your trying to get the deputy PM to bring up China 🙄
What’s wrong with NZ’s duct tape boats? With Brett & Germaine at the helm of the “SS Conchord” what could go wrong?
US has 800 plus military bases around the world while the rest of the world has next to none. For me the best quote answering whether we are on the wrong side, comes from the cartoon Phineas and Ferb star wars episode - "Didn't we just blow up a planet?. That is sort of difficult to justify, morally".
So US bases around the planet are going to blow it up?
@@michaelhagley4762 I think about how the US are the allies with South Korea and China is with North Korea. Choose your friends wisely. And if, and only if by chance China moved on their voiced plans to impose themselves on our ocean (and who knows what else) then we will be begging for western help as we cannot defend ourselves. China is moving, see why Australia increased this years military budget by $50 billion, so has Japan, Indonesia and naturally Taiwan. Only NZ is asleep.
@@berniemckinley4988 Thanks for your reply. I view the world from both sides, watching what happens in the UN, reading both Chinese and Russian news agencies as well as western news agencies. The reason I'm pointing this out to you is because your reply seems to me to be only the view of western news agencies, in another words, US propaganda.
I have not watched it, but by the look of things in NZ, I seriously doubt this is going to happen.
So invest in Peacekeeping and Engineering for HADR, Naval Coast guard support? The NZSAS is already a top rated military force
Well, we have a submarine now..
can we concentrate on Health, Education and Public transport.
Don't we already?
No
This is the most cringing interview I have ever watched, poor Jack😅
When Helen Clarke reneged on the F16 deal with the US, she put the death nail in the coffin for New Zealands military.
what does a F16 cost and who would do the maintenance, would they have given them to us
@@malcolmWaite-g4t They would cost a shit ton, the New Zealand air force would maintain them: (they are currently qualified in aeronautical engineering (i.e. maintaining jet aircraft))
and yes they would have given them to us if we asked nicely (and offered a few oil drilling rights off Tarinaki)
- the upside to taking the F16's would be that if shit does end up hitting the fan, we wouldn't have to get on our knees and beg Australia and America to come save us. - we would be far better defended against potential threats.
@@Jack01189 I would think were there potential threats Aussie and America would already be involved
F16s are useless for New Zealand. Expensive and too short ranged. It would be like buying a Ferrari for school pickups only. NZ should prioritise maritime logistics and patrol because of location. P8s and Hercs is a good start. LPDs would be ideal too.
@Haddaminb also most of the countries in the world with air craft carriers with strike capabilities are mostly in the hands of allied nations and even then we're far from any treat. I see good reason for a strike wing but I don't see why aswell if we wanted to please our allies I'd just build a army that compatible with them with formidable training as to bring something to the table.
As an Irish citizen I offer our military to come to NZ's aid if you're attacked.
Whatever you do don't Google the Irish Defence Forces!
But my offer still stands.
An F16 costs around 63mill usd. A reaper drone costs half and has approx double the range (but the F16 is much faster). NZ should build up a small force of surveillance and attack drones to patrol its maritime zone. Arming the drones with anti ship missiles and air to air missiles.
There’s two points to this - one point being we need a decent military to attract alliances and better economic deals, the second point would be that we would now be on the radar as a potential threat if a pacific war theatre was to open
It’s going to be difficult being a passive country in the moser era
When usa say move aus nz say ok boss
Blackhawks, Drones, Drones, Drones, Navy ships and patrol boats, Missiles
We cant afford to run our healthcare properly. Waste of money
Soon the US military industrial complex will start demanding us to buy arms from them, just like what they are doing in Europe with NATO.
Our Navy has a Labour shortage, we have a ratio of 40% officers and 60% ranks (officers working in offices and ranks working.) Due to Austerity measures the Navy now has a budjet deficit of $150 Million Dollars.
what do the high ranking offers do? - they with their 6 figure incomes, cut pay to the ranks, fire contractors, and reduce future rank intake capacity. all while Australia is increasing their military budget and offering double the pay for our rank sailours
It's not the fact we can't afford to run the millitairy and Healthcare properly. Its the fact we have too many middle managers (i.e. we have 141 commanders with 9 ships to command (8 now that HMNZS manawanui's hit a reef )
and those managers make life a living hell for the people actually doing the work in order to keep their 6 figures and stable paper shuffling jobs.
weather is navy chefs or nurses who suffer and leg it to Australia. i don't think its a case of one Or the other, but rather a multitude of problems with our entire culture. (i.e. we pay middle managers way to much, and undervalue working class jobs.)
It is showing how 38 years addiction to neoliberal economics and governance is making New Zealand a mediocre middle income OECD country that is stuck 20th century economics and governance.
@@chrismckellar9350 I don't think social Healthcare is bad just not for dole bludgers they should only give benefits to the ones that work.
@@TyreseSummers - It seem you really don't understand what the term 'dole bludger' is. Have you been on the Jobseekers benefit?
Lets start 100,000,00 loss today. Bye Jack Lame
Japan was invited as an observer but not China
New Zealand have a new submarine thanks to diversity hiring.
Carefully treading around the word China the entire time . That was so cringey to hear this fellow sidesteping the discussion
According to Luxon NZ is broke. The government is cutting expenditure to most government departments/services, even school lunches are affected. So there shouldn't be a chance in hell to beef up our military.
NZ spends 1.3 % of GDP on the military and that was going to be affected by government austerity measures as will. So, where's the funding coming from?
I think it comes down to a long-term monetary commitment. If we lock in 2% of GDP as a minimum that all governments are consistent with for decades. We could have the Defence force we need. And if the economy shrinks, the defence budget shrinks as well. Consistency is the key with anything in life.
@@Kelvinpaul4 We can by start manufacturing our own weapon systems with private sector and government funding. Create an industry around defense with sales offsetting the cost, it's the way of the future. The resupply logistics don't make sense ,we need to have an industry base at home. Rather than buy obsolete second hand shit, let's make state of the art mass produced equipment here that suits our geographic location. Missiles, drones and the like.
@@badjelly1027I agree with manufacturing weapons and munitions for our use and for sale to other nations as many developed countries do. However NZ governments think manufacturing and selling military goods is contrary to NZ character and have even stopped Kiwi Saver investing in companies who manufacture weapons or components that could be used in the manufacturing of weapons and munitions. NZ companies are prohibited from being involved in the manufacturing and or selling military weapons and munitions on international markets. Which is stupid.
@@Kelvinpaul4 That's correct, I guess we will have to import this equipment at exorbitant cost. I just hope we change our mindset as to what military hardware will actually be effective and what our defense strategy is . We do however have more pressing problems at home that need attention.
@@badjelly1027 I think for the navy innovating and researching remote controll patroll vessels and alike would be a great thing for nz todo as other countries would have a interest in it and we could get in early and become a innovator in it. But we should manufacture things that we can also sell to other countries to keep people employed here and as you said off set the costs I also believe more ships with the same capabilities as the Canterbury could be a great soft power. To keep the south island nations in our/ allies/usa/aus sphere of influence which would help prevent a Chinese millitary base. Just imagine if we had a few ships that could supply and help in relief/ construction efforts for a entire island I'd help our own country and our neighbors it wouldn't be able to destroy a destroyer but I'd make it harder for China to have a foot hold.
Woke nz freelancing on australia as usal
We certainly need to update and increase spending , on our military capability, instead of putting our armed personal at risk, as seen in Afhanistan, from out dated equipment. To under estimate our roll in International affairs, can only be improved, especially in the Pacific, enhances the safety of our military personal, while delivering an efficient and professional manner. New Zealand are highly regarded in the world, in providing military support, and are sourced by the major allies such as the USA/
USA is failing.
In a dog eat dog world,NZ doesnt have a choice
Your world is coming to an end
That was "Beef", not "Reef".
Totally agree we are in a recession negative gdp so do we get a refund
About time, we need to build up our Defense Force, stop the payouts to certain parties internally and get the benefit payments under control, divert the money to the Air Force/Army and Navy. If the Chinese invade us in the next 20yrs, and we can't Defend our country, what then
lol yea the chinese and the Russians will inavde us for our sheep and people like you.
I do agree but I'd take a looong time before china could hope of invading nz let alone holding it and by then we'd ha alot more to worry about. Like where did australia and usa go lol.
"We must respond to geo strategic moves by the big country across the world that have never threatened us with military aggression because they are bad or something blah blah blah give us money."
How many people here are willing to lose a portion of their pension down the line if this goes through? Just ask the UK pensioners how they feel about losing their winter fuel payment,...while their governmnt is giving Ukraine billions.
Giving panama papers zelensky billions
Stop all the Maori land claim payouts.
It is costing th country millions of dollars.
And nobody knows where the money goes.
New Zealand should think about integrating their defence force with the Australian Defence Force. An example of this is the Dutch Army integrating into the German Army. Some Australian jet fighters could be stationed at New Zealand bases. NZ infantry could be trained to use Australian weapon systems such as the boxer IFV, Himars etc that are coming soon. Australia would benefit from getting a manpower boost and NZ would become better protected.
Constitutionally, New Zealand can become an Australian state whenever it wishes. Multiple benefits to be had. Just think, unbeatable national rugby team. Final solution to the Pavlova origin issue. Mutual condemnation of Greg Chappell. NZ becomes a Continent. Australians finally get to do Hakkas. NZ becomes Australia's 3rd biggest state. The New Zealand Defense Force can stop pretending it's a thing. Australia gets Peter Jackson, Russel Crowe, and Flight of the Conchords. Australia's land area will increase by a little bit. AND, Australians will legitimately allowed to say sux instead of six and not be accused of cultural appropriation.
so will Australia start building Nuclear Power stations?
The Australian coalition government wants to build nuclear powered stations. But nuclear powered submarines reactor will come from the UK
Nz has just launched a new ship hmnzs reefer
Guess who wants to sell boats to offset their nuclear submarine dreams.
Jack why when you mention China you never mention how China treats its neighbours!
Take a look at how USA treats..... Everyone (neighbours or not)
Talk about incredible timing for our survey ship to break down and wreck itself. These other countries must have very limited faith in NZs ability to help anyone.
It did not break down The skipper "woke" to find it had run aground
I honestly don't see any person from NZ or other western nations fighting along side Australia if the pass their misinformation bill.
NZ is a poor man’s Tassie.
Tassie is the testicle of Australia
*"Let's flip the question"* How about you just answer it?
*"If we didn't export coal, other countries would fill that gap."* That's called enabling and abetting, not to mention profiteering.
So on, and so on. What a skeez.
7:00 🤣🤣🤣'''''Clean coal.... good clean coal... our Ozzy coal... If they can't be burnin our good clean Ozzy coal... they only be burnin dat dirty Colombian coal'''''' 🤣🤣🤣
Australia really could benefit from the very capable NZ navy😂
Well, we could have given them our - F 111's , Anzac frigates, Tiger helicopters, M1A1 Abrams tanks, our M113 troop carriers, our legacy F A 18 Hornets, and our unused SLR and AR platforms, our Mirage 111'S and our Leopard tanks, and our PC3 Orions ...we could have had a significantly boosted armed side Kick now they got Fk all !! Excellent logistics !
Humanitarian aid? I thought the defence is for security reasons. I don't think anyone joins the defence force for humanitarian aid reasons. This Richard Marles is a joke
How do call out Trump when your former PM JA was bonkers? NZ defence got difficult decisions to future purchases considering their budget is nowhere like Australia. I believe NZ will need piggyback on Australia to save money but also be compatible like their future corvettes could come South Korea but still have money for Seahawks. Although NZ will have fine money for lost support ship, maybe RAN future JSS for NZ?
Do you really feel that threatened?
Think about it first.
NZ is a peace keeping country,
I will pull out gather my family and leave this country, if this govt engages in anything other then peace keeping. 💯
If we engage
then Im selling up and out of this place
Im under pressure and still use my words not kick down the door to help with a
The last labour coalition nearly destroyed our military 😂🤣😂
بالتأكيد لا يجوز هذا الأمر... في رأيي، فكر مليًا فيما تطلبه الحكومة الأسترالية. عليك أن تنظر إلى الصورة الأكبر 🖼 👍
Bro I thought he was on to something when he asking why do we need nuclear powered submarine it's for the range it end can be submerged for longer
We have plenty of Indians here in NZ. Take your pick
What is stopping nz from diversifying its economy away from Chinese dependence? Such as trade with India and Indonesia? Is NZ dependence on China in NZ national interest?
You know "China" (BRICS) Is going to "win" over the next decade?
Instead of sinking our own fleet 😂❤
Hiding from drones and disrupting gps , thats inportant.
Theres a buckshee ships compliment .,....
Lots of buzzwords here: geostrategic, state actors, on the frontline, pacific-led
Professional liars & propagandists like Mr Marles together with Canberra's "Bureaucracy Machine" is what's encouranging thousands of educated & hardworking Aussies to leave...
This politician is clearly an NPC
They still have that keyboard and mouse in front of jack 😂😂…makes no sense
This is comical as the NZ navy just sank their own ship 😂😂😂
Beware aukus and this American proxy !
Я знаю, что ты русский, товарищ!
@@azbgames6827 I'm a Russian comrade so what??? It's better than being a NATO/US/UK bot such as yourself.
Aukus warmongerers
How is AUKUS a proxy in any way? Need better propaganda from you!
@@New_Zealander don't claim to be a kiwi then bro you russian bot
Like the COVID response team mandatory and unnecessary 🤔
First we need a bigger boat
Have a NZ infantry company permanently based in Townsville with 2RAR to be interoperable as part of the ADF amphibious force and make both nations’ Navies and Air Forces interoperable. Stop buggerising around with defence.
I remember when OZ would stand up to commands from bullies
Why is Australia giving its old Tanks to Ukraine? Mybe help who you want to beef up there capabilities as our nations are so much poorer
ANZAC 🇦🇺 🇳🇿
A failure 😂😂😂
Our Navy needs a major shake up & investment. Yes, we're a small nation but look at our economic exclusion zone, its massive just over 4 million square miles or 15 x the size of NZ. We need sailors and need to pay them a decent income, once we do that then we can man our existing ships, then we need more modern ships South Korean made ships would be suitable, our Seasprites need to be replaced with American made seahawks to have them compatible with Australian/US Navy systems.
I think that's why the nzdf are looking into getting unmanned ships/ ones with a smaller crew. The idea was to possibly limit it to just a boarding crew which would cut huge amount of costs. Also isn't that partially the purpose of the P-8A?
We gave 3 million dollars to Ukraine and it lasted 5 minutes 3 million we could use to up our defense systems gummon
What military? what a joke
I doubt Aussie would want our kiwi armed forces (such as they are) anywhere near their modern, highly trained, well equipped armed forces.
A CANZUK military??
Insane waist of money time and resourses
Rubbish
This should be top priority
Oversized anything, first world status and demands.
Karma.
We've always worked together anyway, just dont send your DEI hire women Navy ship captains, you know , like the one that sank their biggest Navy ship on that reef. 😂
This robotic muppet
We need to get the fk out of the 5 EYES and and stop sticking our noses into other countries business on behalf of the US. We need to beef up our Navy and Airforce in order that they can protect our economic zone. Our army needs to stay at home and become adept and skilled at defending NZ on our own soil. We need compulsory national service for our young people in order that we sort out discipline in society and to provide numbers for homeland defense should we need it.
We can’t beef up our army via our tiny economy. So if we have these options
1. Agree to stay 5 eyes & have no real say in things & hope the other 5 eyes partners act in our interests @ at least defend us if under attack. It’s delusional to think we can donor without help.
2. Go it alone, ditch 5 eyes & stay with a tinpot military & hope everything somehow ends up ok (you could call this the (Simpson’s Defence Theory)
3. Become a neutral country so no military alliances and follow Switzerland model - but I understand this also means you may have to take political exiles etc
4. Stay in 5 eyes @ agree to have Australia to effectively take over subsume of our Military forces with the guarantee a large slice of the total forces will always be directed towards NZ - this multiplying our defence capabilities by a factor of say 5 to twenty fold. You might call this a “deal with the devil”
@@martinsmith4866 "defend us if under attack" from who and for what reason?
@@New_Zealander said the last country to be invaded.
@@badjelly1027 YES - you get it. ..
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Mate what happen in Tonga wasn't a eruption!
Bloody hell why can't they say the word "CHINA"
Australia spends billions and couldn’t defend a Goldfish bowl. Waste of money, would get wiped out in minutes. Australia’s current submarines have been a big joke for years and years. The jet fighters are great for flying over the race track at Bathurst etc but in a war. I know NZ couldn’t defend itself from Rarotonga but Australia might manage Fiji.
Richard Miles is a joke